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>Slaves were typically given a peck of cornmeal and 3-4 pounds of pork per week, and from those rations come soul food staples such as cornbread, fried catfish, BBQ ribs, chitterlings, and neckbones. It has been noted that enslaved Africans were the primary consumers of cooked greens (collards, beets, dandelion, kale, and purslane) and sweet potatoes for a portion of US history.

>Slaves needed to eat foods with high amounts of calories to balance out spending long days working in the fields. This led to time-honored soul food traditions like frying foods, breading meats and fishes with cornmeal, and mixing meats with vegetables (i.e. putting pork in collard greens). Eventually, this slave-invented style of cooking started to get adopted into larger Southern culture, as slave owners gave special privileges to slaves with cooking skills.

Is Soul Food the most unique and interesting cuisine in existence?

>> No.11980885 [DELETED] 

im gay btw not sure if it matters

>> No.11980886

No, American BBQ is

>> No.11980894

>>11980886
What's the difference between that and soul food?

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>>11980876
Is Soul another word for Slave?

>> No.11980906

>>11980896
No, because white southerners, rich and poor, eat it. They wouldn't label something as slave food unless they rejected it, but instead they adopted it.

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>>11980906
So its Black people food then?

>> No.11980922

>>11980917
It started off as black people food back in the 1800s. Then it became Southern food. Everyone in the American South eats it.

>> No.11980925

>>11980876

Native Americans were eating cornbread for centuries before Colonial America. Those greens are indigenous to Asia/America and were brought over as a cash crop. Frying/breading meat is something people have been doing for centuries across Asia and Europe. Yams were a staple diet of the indigenous Americas, that's one example of dozens of "sweet" tubers/potatoes. Slaves ate slop. Some were trained to cook preexisting recipes. Hotsauce is a French/Creole invention. Slaves tried to reproduce "house meals" with the scraps they were lucky enough to receive. They grew most of their own produce and raised animals as well. Not too shabby.

t. Slanteyed good whose ancestors worked on the railroads.

>> No.11980930

>>11980917
nah, white people appropriated it (as we are wont to do) it's just Southern now

>> No.11980932

>>11980922
Isn't the South mostly inhabited by Black People and Mexicans?

>> No.11980936

>>11980932
Yes.

>> No.11980938

>>11980925
Nobody gave a FUCK about what indians were doing until blacks took it and made it better.

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>>11980930
You wouldn't happen to be part Jewish would you? I'm curious about something.

>>11980936
Then wouldn't it be safe to assume that Soul Food, while originating from Black Slave Culture, remains as an endearment indicative of the Southern states, not because of acceptance but rather that the population demographic hasn't changed enough drastically to warrant a cultural change in cuisine culture?

>> No.11980946

>>11980938

Natives owned slaves too. Blacks stole cornbread from the Natives. They have a habit of stealing ya know.

>> No.11980959

>>11980941

Prior to the rise of synthetic pesticides in the Second World War and their role in the development of intensive industrial animal farming, chicken meat was a delicacy and very expensive. Slaves were not eating chickens.

>> No.11980966

>>11980894
Slaves didn't invent BBQ. It was around before the slave trade.

>> No.11980974

>>11980932
It's interesting. Jim Crow laws and other stuff by whites in the South were so effective at pushing blacks out of the southern states that it went from 32% black in the year 1900 to 19% by 1970s where it's remained today.

>> No.11980984

>>11980941
>but rather that the population demographic hasn't changed enough drastically
Not true. See >>11980974
The Great Migration massively changed demographics in America.

>> No.11980986

>>11980966

True. The peppers/chili-peppers necessary to the sauce making processes are indigenous to the Americas. Spanish traders introduced them to India in the 16th century. I wonder what poos ate before hot peppers were introduced into the diet.

>> No.11980989

>>11980932
>mexicans
>implying
The southwest=/=the south culturally speaking

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>>11980959
I don't believe I referenced that, but was rather keeping to the standard of Soul Food=Southern Food because the Demographic never changed.

>>11980974
A simple walk through Decatur Georgia would change your mind in thinking that the demographic hasn't changed within the past 50 years.

Yes, 2020 will be 50 years from 1970. Are you implying that since the 1970's, post Jm Crow, Black Power Reformation and Institutional Welfare System that the Black Demographic continues to sit at 19% of the Southern Population?

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>>11980989

>Arizona is like Mississippi

LOL.

>> No.11981002

>>11980993
>A simple walk through Decatur Georgia would change your mind in thinking that the demographic hasn't changed within the past 50 years.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, anon.
>Are you implying that since the 1970's, post Jm Crow, Black Power Reformation and Institutional Welfare System that the Black Demographic continues to sit at 19% of the Southern Population?
I wasn't implying that. I was saying that. I said "where it's remained today," meaning it's still at 19% today. It's better to educate yourself on topics than assume things.

>> No.11981005

>>11980993

Nothing in the OP picture is something slaves ate or invented though.

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>>11981002
>What you've said doesn't go by the old evidence stated I've posted and have admitted is old, regardless of the clear picture that the South clearly has a greater percentage of Black population than White population.

>>11981005
I'm not out to disprove the OP on the matter, OP knows his Soul Food, however is quoting outdated demographics and saying that Soul Food has been appropriated. It has not, it simply is the culture of the South, because the South was, and is Black culture dominant.

>> No.11981024

>>11981016
What? Evidence puts the black population of the South today at 19%. You're using your imagination and anecdotal evidence to think that blacks outnumber whites in the South. If that was true, they'd vote in democrats, not republicans, everywhere.

>> No.11981033

>>11980941
that, and my three sizes are a secret

>> No.11981042

>>11981016

>it simply is the culture of the South, because the South was, and is Black culture dominant.

Slaves were not a dominant ethnic demographic. They've adopted traditions taught to their farm equipment ancestors by their owners, claiming it as their own.

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>>11981024
Evidence from 50 YEARS ago.
Also >black people always vote Democrat.
Confirmed for being one of those white people who think all black people follow a certain standard. Don't speak for me man.

>> No.11981056

>>11981044

Conservative blacks own up to the shortcomings of their ancestors and don't speak in "we wuz" language. So...where are you going with this? None of the typically known soul food was invented by slaves as they would have been doing even to wealthy people.

>> No.11981065

>>11981044
Evidence from today, anon. Or at least as of 2010. https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-06.pdf
And black people statistically vote democrat.

>> No.11981069

>>11980922
Other way around

>> No.11981070

>>11981016
Then post demographic sources for your claim. Surely they should be easy to find since they're made annually.

>> No.11981081

>>11981044
SonicFox go home
Politics doesnt belong on /ck/

OOOO MASSA YOU GON MAKE ME SQUIRT

>> No.11981084

I like that morbidly obese, homosexual, black, Jewish, culinary historian on the foods of enslaved people. He cooks kosher soul food and enjoys LARPing as a slave in the fields. Michael Twitty. There's a funny video of him making kosher collards for Andrew Zimmern while they talk about Jewish identity and food.

>> No.11981208

>>11981044
https://mic.com/articles/159402/here-s-a-break-down-of-how-african-americans-voted-in-the-2016-election#.yTTGaslRY
Blacks voted 88-8 Hillary to Trump last election.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-states-with-the-largest-relative-african-american-populations.html
This is using 2010 census data. DC is the only majority black jurisdiction in the US. Since the South also includes areas which are extremely white (Arkansas, Kentucky) and areas which are Mexican (Texas) it is safe to assume that the south is, in fact, majority white.

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>>11981024
>what is voter suppression
>what's a literacy test
>what's a voter ID law
>what is a gerrymander

>> No.11981216

>>11980974
>MS and AL currently 40%+ black
Yeah, the south is 19% black! Do you just enjoy living in a world where reality is fake because it doesn't conform to some kind of aborted worldview?

>> No.11981224

>>11981214

Please go back to your containment board.

>> No.11981238

>>11981214
There's also the fact southern blacks have historically been cucked by evangelical christianity and support anti-abortion spewing of shitloads of spawn, but the gerrymandering and voter suppression is a major factor.

>> No.11981242

>>11981224
/ck/ is my containment board, cleetus

If you don't want to talk politics, don't bring up politics in a food and cooking thread

>> No.11981247 [DELETED] 

>>11980993
>A simple walk through Decatur Georgia would change your mind in thinking that the demographic hasn't changed within the past 50 years.
Decatur is pretty white?

>> No.11981258

>>11981242

I didn't. I said none of the food in the picture was something slaves ate, or invented, which is fact. The sad part of this is you're not black, or even a minority. You're just clogging up posting space because everything in the OP picture was disproven as slave cuisine, and this is your way of backing out of that retarded belief.

>> No.11981273

>Inb4everyonewhowasinvolvedinderailingthethreadgetsbanned

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>>11981258
>I didn't.

Oh, so talking about muh Democrats and muh Republicans was what? Food and cooking talk? Are you some kind of retard?

>you're not black, or even a minority
You're correct, I'm not black. I'm also not white, ergo I am not a minority. You also seem to have confused me with multiple other people who were, presumably, calling you a retard, because you talk like a retard. You dumb, inbred hick.

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>>11981273
>You can't talk about Black People Food on /ck/ or talk about Black Culture.
>Since I don't like people disagreeing with me, I'm just going to report everyone who disagrees with me and hopefully they get banned so I feel superior.

This is why we can't have nice things.

I legit want to talk about Soul Food, and although I don't agree with the OP as per the demographics, or that "All Blacks Vote Democrat" I like talking about the culture of my race and my ancestors.

>> No.11981295

>>11981275

>so talking about muh Democrats and muh Republicans was what? Food and cooking talk? Are you some kind of retard?

Nope. Wrong user. I guess multiple people think you're stupid for assuming farm equipment living in huts ate fried chicken, even though it was a luxury food item even for their owners.

>You have me confused with other people.

Stop projecting. That's you. The same person stupid enough to think slaves invented anything. "No u" isn't an argument.

>> No.11981301

>>11981294
See
>>11980925

lolwut, what tradition?

>> No.11981304

>>11981242
"There is nothing more political than food" t. Some fag who hanged himself

>> No.11981305 [DELETED] 

I don't really like soul food desu.
I like corn bread but it predates blacks in america.

>> No.11981311

>>11981295
>assuming farm equipment living in huts ate fried chicken
What in the ever living fuck are you talking about, cleetus?
>Stop projecting
When you start randomly picking items from the "logical fallacies chart" taped next to your monitor. Since I know for a fact you still live within 3 miles of your birthplace, go ask your old high school school teacher to explain what "projection" means. It's not what you think.

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>>11981301
The tradition of eating said food on a regular basis for 50 some years. I understand your viewpoint is "LMAO BLACKS STEAL EVERYTHING, CAN'T INVENT ANYTHING" and I respect your small mindedness about that, however, it is silly to deny that Black people don't eat Soul Food, or that Soul Food isn't a part of their culture.

>> No.11981337

>>11981311

Nothing in the OP picture was eaten by or invented by slaves.

>>11981323

See above comment.

>> No.11981344

>>11981323
This is true. The soul food diet is actually killing black people. There's even a PBS documentary by a black guy whose father died from soul food and now the son wants blacks to stop eating that garbage and getting beetus and hypertension and dying young. That's also where the "white people don't use seasoning" meme comes from. Soul food is really just enormous quantities of fat, salt, and sugar to make unappetizing food palatable.

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>>11981337
But I never claimed it was. I was just a bystander for most of this thread, I only posted to dispute your ridiculous assertion that the exact racial statistics of the Deep South could possibly predict the outcomes of elections when such regions have a deeply entrenched political machine dedicated to guaranteeing that such a thing can never happen.

>> No.11981346

>>11981294
favorite creole? eggplant is nice

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>>11981337
But they did eat this on a regular basis, I'm not claiming invention because you seem to be set in your ways about this, but you are literally saying that Black people don't eat Black people food, and as a Black person who comes from a very Black family, I can attest that this statement is extremely false.

>>11981344
Thank you for saying this and helping call it out.

>> No.11981377

>>11981345

I never talked about racial statistics. Nothing known as soul food was invented by slaves or eaten by them. Pasta wasn't eaten commonly until the mid-20th century, so no mac-n-cheese, Natives ate yams and corn bread, acorn bread too, Scots were frying chicken for hundreds of years before being adopted by the English, then brought to the northern states with freed/run away house slaves that learned to cook, collards/mustard greens are indigenous to Asia/Europe and were raised as a cash crop like cotton, but for consumption purposes. It's just a fairy tale/urban legend that soul food is slave cuisine. It's fusion of Asian, African and European and Indigenous cuisine unique to the United States.

>> No.11981394

>>11981349
See
>>11980959

No. They didn't. Chicken was a luxury food item even for slave owners. Chickens were more valuable for egg laying purposes. Only old birds incapable of producing eggs would have been eaten, and those are disgusting. Any animal diseased and neat death doesn't make for good eating. Flour, salt, pepper, herbs and spices were very valuable. Pirates targeted spice ships more than ships carrying gold/silver because they were more valuable. The epitome of luxury in those times. Stop perpetuating lies.

>> No.11981399

>>11981377
So you're saying middle class black people going out to Sylvia's in 21st century Harlem don't eat what black slaves ate in 18th century cotton fields in Mississippi? Wow dude I think you might be on to something here.

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>>11980885

it goddam matters
I'm Mormon btw

>> No.11981415

>>11981399

>Sylvia's

Spoonbread too is better. Older as well. I'm saying, factually, slaves didn't have the financial resources to create or consume anything being mentioned ITT. Nothing even close to it.

>> No.11981426

>>11980876
>mixing meats with vegetables

Ground breaking.

Such innovators.

>> No.11981427

>>11981377
Why are you so butthurt over the term "soul food?" OP could have said "food that tons of contemporary black people eat in the south" but that would just be autistic. You're worse than Europeans that endlessly sperg about how pizza and hamburgers aren't truly American because some European faggot hundreds of years ago created an extremely simplified version of a dish with the same name.

>> No.11981435

>>11981415

To add to this, take notice on how careful this establishment is go separate themselves from the term "soul food".

https://spoonbreadinc.com

>> No.11981437

>>11981214

All made up bullshit.

>> No.11981439

>>11981415
Ok, that's great and all, but it seems to me you're just playing word games. Whether an F-22 Raptor resembles the Wright Flyer doesn't mean the Wright Bros shouldn't be credited for their contributions to aviation.

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>>11981394
The OP never specified chicken, I am not sure why you keep on bringing it up. Chicken became indicative to Black Culture during the 1940's/50's mostly due to Kentucky Fried Chicken (a southern chicken branch) and the saturated Black population in the South at the time.

No one has stated that fried chicken was indicative of Slave Culture, however it is indeed part of black culture, but only from the 1950's onward.

It's like with menthol cigarettes, no one says "Blacks smoke menthols because the slaves did" that's stupid. Menthols became Black culture around the late 60's/70's.

Black slaves did indeed eat Chitlins, Greens, Fried Porkchops, and Cornbeard, because that is what was given to them back in the day.

No one is saying that "Black people invented these meals" however many are saying "Black people ate these food, and likewise was assigned to the Southern Black Culture."

>> No.11981445

>>11981427

It's strange you think people in the south eat this regularly. No one regardless of race does this.

>> No.11981447

>>11981440
>No one is saying that "Black people invented these meals"

Yes blacks in fact do insist that stupid shit, they also insist they invented cooking meat over a fire and shaking ass etc..

>> No.11981448

>>11981435
I'm familiar with the dining scene in upper Manhattan, but thank you for your overbearing autism on the subject of restaurants, as with everything else so far in this thread.

>> No.11981456

>>11981445
Yeah, southerners don't eat cornbread, baked mac and cheese, sweet potato pie, collard greens, gumbo, etc etc etc. You're retarded as fuck. I've lived in Louisiana.

>> No.11981465

>>11981440

There is chicken in the picture OP posted with...

Anyway, why do you think blacks regularly eat this way? Expensive diet considering the poverty statistics in the south that transcends racial barriers. Everyone is stupid and poor down there, on average.

>> No.11981470

>>11981456

It's not slave cuisine as the OP post states.

>> No.11981482

>>11981448

Both of those restaurants are in heavily gentrified areas as well. I'm painting a mental picture of you, posting pictures of your comfort food plate with a geotag s people know you're brave enough to go to Morningside Heights with all the other NYU and Columbia kids. Stunning and brave!

>> No.11981486

>>11981470
Don't move the goalpost. The claim that:

>It's strange you think people in the south eat this regularly. No one regardless of race does this

Is complete and utter fucking bullshit. And some of those dishes do have their roots in slave cuisine--especially in creole cuisine.

>> No.11981489

>>11981405
don't get your special underwear in a twist.

this thread would probably be better if everyone remember the best lesson black folks ever taught: keep it cool and style on the haters

>> No.11981493

>>11981486

I've been saying "not slave cuisine" since my first post ITT. Don't confuse me with other people. Creole and Cajun refer to French colonialists being born either in France, or in the colonies (abroad). Those phrases have nothing to do with slavery, or blacks, at all.

>> No.11981495

>>11981482
Yes, thank you for explaining the racial and economic dynamics of uptown to someone who has lived here for longer than you've been alive. Anything else you want to get off your chest? I'm here for you anon.

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>>11981447
You are believing in something ignorance that ignorant people state out of ignorance.

Yes, Black People have their own culture, as do all races, but believing in ignorance something that ignorant people preach only leads to more ignorance.

I assume you are white, aren't you supposed to be better than us?

>>11981465
Its one of the problems of Black Culture, we refuse to move on or stand up for the right thing when it comes to ourselves. It doesn't help that you have "Positive White People" corralling you into a corner saying "This is all you do.", while you have "Negative White People" telling you, that you can't do anything.

When you try to rise as an individual in Black Culture, when you act against the ingrained Culture, you aren't "Black". When you fight back against the "Positive White People" you are just a "Stupid Black Person" when you do anything to the "Negative White People" you are just a nigger.

But there has to be change, because I'm not defined by anyone else other than myself, although I do like to learn about my culture, and of my past.

At the end of the day, I'm me; to you I'm either "Just a black guy, a nigger, or a 'Poverty Democratic Voter', but I'm me.

I'll never be denied that, not by Positive or Negative Racists, and not by my own culture.

>> No.11981508

>>11981493
>I've been saying "not slave cuisine" since my first post ITT. Don't confuse me with other people.

There was no reason to respond to me then, you stupid faggot.

>Creole and Cajun refer to French colonialists being born either in France, or in the colonies (abroad). Those phrases have nothing to do with slavery, or blacks, at all.

You're so fucking retarded that I'm shocked that you remember to breathe. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=creole+cuisine+influences

>> No.11981510

>>11981495

What part of your babbling makes any of the food being talked about ITT an invention of slaves, or even modern blacks? Nothing right? Cool. Slaves didn't invent anything. At all.

>> No.11981511

>>11981503

I am belivign EXACTLY what you mother fuckers have stated time and time again.

Go ahead tell us how you are naturally lit skilled fighters from birth, how you are amazing dancers and singers by default.

YOU FAGGOTS INSIST YOU ARE BETTER!

>> No.11981516

>>11981503

Thanks for the blog post about your feelings. Your predecessors didn't eat fried chicken and yams in the 18th century.

>> No.11981523

>>11981508

Creole historically refers to the descendants of the French (and later, Spanish) colonial settlers of New Orleans. Why are you even trying to continue this conversation?

>> No.11981524

>>11981516
Mine did :)

>> No.11981526

>>11981511
Am I saying this, or are you listening to the voice of those who are ignorant, then putting their words in my mouth?

>>11981516
I explained this before, fried chicken was a 1950's thing, menthol's were a 70's thing. Yams is more so late 1800's early 1900's.

>> No.11981529

>>11981523
Creole literally means black or mixed down there. You are a fucking retard.

>> No.11981534

>>11981524

Your enslaved ancestors were wealthy enough to own salt, pepper and spices, and to be able to kill egg producing birds? Man, what a nice master to allow them all those uncommonly purchased luxuries.

>> No.11981536

>>11981526

I see that you fucks never rebuke when the so called ignorance is being stated you just rebuke when a white agrees with what he is being told.

Not believing every single think you superior kangs say is racism is it not?

>> No.11981538

>>11981529

Hmm.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/creole

>> No.11981543

>>11981538
Creoles are considered mixed race or black in Louisiana. You're probably some dumbfuck from flyover land that has never even lived there.

>> No.11981546

>>11981526

>1950s thing.

People have been eating fried chicken in the south for a long time, slaves couldn't afford it though.

>> No.11981549

>>11981510
I like how you keep going off on these wild tangents and then consistently getting mad when it turns out you were wrong again. It must be absolute hell to be trapped in an autistic mind. Some part of you wants to connect to the other minds, you perceive their presence and you can interact with them to an extent but you have no idea how to do it properly so you just flounder and screech.

>> No.11981551

>>11981543

>THE ACTUAL DEFINITION OF THE WORD IS WRONG, HISTORY IS WRONG.

I don't know how much sadder this can get.

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>>11981536
Try to rewrite that one, you seem to have gotten confused, and your message lost meaning.

>>11981546
Fried Chicken became indicative to Black Culture in 1950's, that is not saying "Black people invented Fried Chicken." you goofball.

>> No.11981561

>>11981549

You're still doing it. No slaves could afford the food in the OP picture. These dishes did not evolve from their spiceless cuisine. Spices were more valuable than gold/silver in those times. Do not confuse a later adoption of preexisting cuisine as "inventing" it.

>> No.11981564

>>11981534
My ancestors weren’t slaves >:(

>> No.11981566

>>11981551
Stay on topic, faggot.

>Louisiana Creole cuisine (French: Cuisine créole, Spanish: Cocina criolla) is a style of cooking originating in Louisiana, United States, which blends French, Spanish, West African, Amerindian, Haitian, German, Italian, influences,[1][2] as well as influences from the general cuisine of the Southern United States.

>West African
>B-B-BUT NIGGERS DIDN'T INFLUENCE ANYTHING REEEEE

Stop posting.

>> No.11981567

>>11981559

>that is not saying "Black people invented Fried Chicken

OP is saying that.

>> No.11981569

>>11981561
Still doing what? Calling you out on your mental illness? Not sitting in the corner rocking and making repetitive noises?

You ever worry about your tard wrangler's safety and well being? I've heard they're getting shot by cops these days. Or did God forget to install empathy in your brain at the factory?

>> No.11981571

>>11981566
See
>>11981538

Creoles are not now, nor have they ever been black. French people.

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>>11981567
I see.

Am I OP?

>> No.11981578

>>11981569

Why do you think farm equipment could afford culinary items pirates regularly risked their lives to plunder? Genuine question here. You're straying very far off topic here. Slaves didn't invent or create, or even eat anything in OPs picture.

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>>11981571
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Creole_people#Ethnic_blend_and_race

They've for the most part always been considered a hodgepodge of people but most contemporary uses of the word tend to imply someone is at least mixed with black down there.

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>>11981572

Who knows, no IDs on this board.

>> No.11981586

>>11981578

DAS IGNRANT!

>> No.11981589

>>11981578
This is more entertaining than watching a hobo that smoked too much K2. What else you got?

>> No.11981590

>>11981581

>This is my preferred definition to the actual definition. This definition fits my narrative.

I see. How sad.

>> No.11981595

>>11981589

Just the historical facts. Learning should be fun. Glad you're having a good time b

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>>11981590
>Colonists referred to themselves and enslaved Black people who were native-born as creole, to distinguish them from new arrivals from France and Spain as well as Africa.[2] Native Americans, such as the Creek people, intermixed with Creoles also, making three races present in the ethnic group.

>> No.11981599

>>11981595
I wouldn't call this "learning" exactly, other than to the extent that any cautionary example serves as "learning"

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>>11980876
>Is Soul Food the most unique and interesting cuisine in existence?
LMAO
I won't take it away from Blacks that Soul Food is something uniquely American or a genuine cuisine, but most interesting? Most unique? Please.

>> No.11981616

I realize this is a bait thread, but how many of you have met someone who refuses to eat corn or potatoes because of similar revisionist misconception?

>> No.11981622

YR

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>>11981598
>Under the French and Spanish rulers, Louisiana developed a three-tiered society, similar to that of Haiti, Cuba, Brazil, Saint Lucia, Martinique, Guadeloupe and other Latin colonies. This three-tiered society included white Creoles; a prosperous, educated group of mixed-race Creoles of European and African descent; and the far larger class of African and Black Creole slaves. The status of mixed-race Creoles of color (Gens de Couleur Libres) was one they guarded carefully. By law they enjoyed most of the same rights and privileges as white Creoles. They could and often did challenge the law in court and won cases against white Creoles. They were property owners and created schools for their children. In many cases though, these different tiers viewed themselves as one group, as other Iberoamerican and Francophone ethnic groups commonly did. Race did not play as central a role as it does in Anglo-American culture: oftentimes, race was not a concern, but instead, family standing and wealth were key distinguishing factors in New Orleans and beyond.[2]

That's right--mutts were considered the highest tier in creole society as long as they looked more white than black. The camwhore brittany venti would have been considered a "white creole." I shouldn't have to copy/paste but braindead anons are too retarded to click a link. Or maybe they're lazy phonefag scum.

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>> No.11981638

>>11981598

The actual definition of the word refers to Europeans. It's kind of like how Mestizos preferred to be called Latino or Hispanic despite being 10% or less European in origin. You seem to like those meaningless monickers.

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>>11981635
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The definition, the root of the word. The actual meaning, is defining European people. Anyway, slaves couldn't afford to eat the food in OPs picture.

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>> No.11981657

>>11981648
Creole implies and has always implied either blacks, mixed race, or whites that aren't 100% pure but look white enough. Calling a Cajun a Creole today would be considered an insult. You're not a Louisiana native so you're going to cling to your retarded semantics, though, no matter how many sources I link.

>> No.11981666

>>11981657
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>>11981538

The definition of the word.

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>> No.11981670

>>11981666
And that definition changed immediately after the Louisiana Purchase hundreds of years ago. Stop being a fucking autismo.

>> No.11981680

>>11981670

It's a modern context/definition. Again, being "part" something doesn't make you that thing. The way Mestizos claim to be Hispanic (Spanish in origin) despite being essentially none of this. The definition, the actual meaning of the word, has nothing to do with anyone other than Europeans. Slaves did not invent or even eat anything in OPs picture.

>> No.11981689

This thread has taught me that black people invented fried chicken and wypipo stole it and are claiming it as their own.

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>>11981680
>210+ years ago is a modern definition even though entire racial castes were built upon it with mixed race "white creoles" at the top of it

Damn, you really showed me up, Anon.

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>>11981690

Dictionary websites existed 200+ years ago? Neat.

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>> No.11981712

>>11981696
Why are you so triggered by soul food? Are you a racist?

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>>11981708

The dictionary defines Creole as European persons. So...

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>> No.11981741

I'm deeply fascinated with this period in history in general and Southern culture in particular. It would be a dream come true to somehow be a fly on the wall and quickly teleport from one location to the next, rewind time, fast forward, etc. Google Earth with God mode.

>> No.11981743

>>11981741
>>>>/his/

>> No.11981765

>>11981739
Why are you so triggered by soul food? Are you a racist? Scared of black people?

>> No.11981787

>>11981765
His autistic attempt at connecting with other humans failed miserably so he's resorted to making repetitive noises to himself as a way of self-medicating.

>> No.11981840

soul food, as it has been handed down to us, is horrible. its survival food, food of the enslaved. it kept them alive, thank god, but its of little culinary value, as it is. it needs to be modified. some dishes are good, like collard greens. others are too high in fat and sugar and starch.

>> No.11981977

Oooo massa

>> No.11981999

>>11981295
Chicken has never been a luxury meat. You’re retarded.

>> No.11982020

>>11981465
And you’re a fat loser with no friends.

>> No.11982039

>>11981511
>stop making me feel inferior!!! I’m superior!!!

I’ve got bad news for you

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>>11981638
>ackchually

God I can hear your split palette from here.

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>>11981680
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>>11980876
Sounds delicious. I wish we could bring back slavery.

>> No.11982249

>creole

originally a group of French colonists up in Nova Scotia who got displaced by britbongs multiple times, wound up spread over New France, married like Catholics (to everyone they met), and propagated a philosophy of laissez les bon temps rouler.

calm it down, y'all

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>> No.11982483

>>11982259
fuck you

now someone get me a hoppin john recipe, or there will be hell to pay

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>slaves make better food with barely anything than white people do who had everything

lmao @ whites

>> No.11982545

>slave owners worked their slaves to death, kept them on the brink of starvation, beat them to death on a whim

>but also they ate calorically dense foods made from a variety of ingredients, with a variety of imported spices, made through time consuming methods

interesting

>> No.11982599

>>11982483
wait, I also /g/

*somebody git me*

>> No.11982668

OP here. Only reason I created this thread was to beat these guys: >>11980840. Thanks anons. Fuck the White South. Black South is forever.

>> No.11982708

>>11982668
black south built south

again, gimme hoppin john recipe, fidgit

>> No.11982734

>>11982545
Why would you destroy your expensive property on a whim? Or make them useless prematurely?

Doesn't add up.

>> No.11982819

>>11982734
Slave ownership in the south was a big economic trap. The price for purchasing an able slave was many times less than the value their labor would produce. Therefore there was a huge incentive to buy as many young able-bodied slaves as they could.
The slaves would have families and grow old. The elderly would get too old to work- but they still had to kept fed and housed; the owners knew if they just started kicking the old 'pop' or ma' slave out to die, they would be facing rebellion from the rest of their slaves. The attempt to recover the loss by having the children grow to work too, but even then young children aren't anywhere near as effective as a grown able-bodied slave.
This meant the southern plantation slave owning model was economically unsustainable. Slave owners needed less overhead for owning the slave and more labor out of the slaves. The tools to achieve that trended towards increasingly poor treatment of the slaves for the old die as soon as they aren't worth it and pushing the slaves to work harder. Justification in such actions required an increasingly dehumanizing rhetoric. This led to southern plantation slavery from not just being economically unsustainable, but socially unsustainable. The richer slave owners had influences in courthouses and with state politicians; looking for more sources of cheap labor it was possible for a traveling white man to get arrested off the street, convicted by a white slave owning judge for a crime he didn't commit, and forced to perform unpaid labor.
It was around this point that the unsustainable economic, social, and then political nature of the situation began to spill over and cause other states to oppose these practices, leading to the southern political objection over 'state rights.'

You should concern yourself with history; things get interesting when those who are in established positions of power and wealth become reliant upon unsustainable cheap sources of labor. "Why would someone do x?"

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>> No.11982835

This is fucking /ck/, not /his/ or /pol/.
Garbage thread

>> No.11982985

>>11982835
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>> No.11983000

>>11982825
triggered cuck

>> No.11983004

>>11983000
I'm just honestly amazed how long 2 retards can argue over the definition of a word.
This boring shit doesnt belong in /ck/

>> No.11983005

>>11980876
Sounds like literally any peasant food in any part of the world.

>> No.11983047

>>11983005
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>> No.11983145

>>11982819
Fuck you...

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>>11983105
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>>11983188
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>>11983282
I just eat them plain. They're pretty good. Also fried mushrooms require no sauce.

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>>11983105
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They seem like they would be the sort of thing that are really tasty at first but quickly get boring and you're not sure whether you want to finish the rest.

>> No.11983293

>>11983288
That sounds up my alley, I'll have to find some recipes for both then and give them a shot

>> No.11983318

>>11983293
Be careful with fried mushrooms. Let them cool a bit before taking a bite. I've had the unenjoyable experience of eating one right away. I broke the breading with my teeth and hot fluid cooked the roof of my mouth. I recommend avoiding that.

>> No.11983381

>>11980876
Soul food is just Scottish food made with the most bottom of the barrel ingredients that were available in 18th and 19th Century Southern US.

>> No.11983413

>>11980876
>dandelion
Niggas in the hood eating good, knowimsayin?

>> No.11984424

Bahamian food is pretty similar and also interesting. It's a very aged indian fusion cooking basically. The Bahamas for a long time had a large amount of Indian indentured servants.

>> No.11984669

>>11981044
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-5-key-constituencies-of-the-2020-democratic-primary/amp/
Nate silver, election wizard and known leftist, describes blacks and Hispanics as major democratic based. Any non-Democrat blacks are statistically insignificant.

>> No.11985442

>>11980876
>be american
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>> No.11985451

>>11980917
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>> No.11985456

>>11981002
Ah yes, Georgia. I was a tender age of ten when I was jumped and mugged by pillars of the community for being Caucasian

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>>11981349
No, see, black people eat it, but its not black people food

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>Is Soul Food the most unique and interesting cuisine in existence?