/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11888746]

At this point, can we all agree carbs are basically poison for the body?

[Anonymous No.11888759]

Oxygen is poison for the body.

[Anonymous No.11888822]

>>11888746
No, there's nothing wrong with fruit, whole grains, lactose in milk, beans, legumes, etc. Too much refined sugar and flour, sure, that's not really good for you. But it's a bit silly to eat too much refined sugar and flour, then say fruit is bad because it also has carbs.

[Anonymous No.11889052]

>>11888822
Fruit and vegetables have far, far, less carbohydrates than bread, pasta, or potatoes.

[Anonymous No.11890570]

>>11888822
It's silly to say sodas are bad for you because of all the sugar and then eat fruit which are loaded with sugar.

[Anonymous No.11890571]

>>11888746
uh no?

[Anonymous No.11890582]

>>11890570
100g strawberries only has 5.5g net carbs.

[Anonymous No.11892133]

>>11890582
>only
A can of soda has about 35g of sugar in it, and weighs ca 400g.
400g of strawberries has 12g of carbs, over half as much.
Haha you picked the least sweet, highest fiber fruit you could think of - and it's *still* loaded with the gills with sugar. Thanks for proving my point.

[Anonymous No.11892150]

>>11892133
400g of strawberries is so much more "food" than a soda. Sizes of servings are often different.

[Anonymous No.11892223]

>>11888746
They pretty much are, all things that come out of the earth are poison. Our ancestors knew to ingest certain plants as medicine, but dosage is the difference between medicine and poison - a simple truth we have forgotten.

[Anonymous No.11892229]

>>11888746
no
but can we agree that no-lactose milk is basically poison as to the survival of our race and a future for our children?

[Anonymous No.11892318]

>>11888822
>there's nothing wrong with fruit
Fructose.
>whole grains
Gluten.
>beans, legumes
Lectins.

Enjoy your diabetes, brain fog, and shitty digestion.

[Anonymous No.11892324]

my diet is about 90% carbs.
I'm perfectly healthy

[Anonymous No.11892329]

>>11892150
>fiber is food
By your argument a soda+fiber pill is just as foody as strawberries. That's good to know.

[Anonymous No.11892364]

>>11888746
Almost any actual real food in moderation isn't really 'bad' for you. Carb-loading over extended periods is a bad idea, though, just like protein-binging.

[Anonymous No.11892372]

>>11892318
enjoy your heart attack, keto fatty

[Anonymous No.11892400]

>>11892372
Enjoy your pseudo-science and malnutrition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rz-8H_i1wA

[Anonymous No.11892444]

>japan and italy, countries with high carb diets have some of the highest life expectancies
>hurr, carbs are poison
This is your brain when you're a ketotard.

[Anonymous No.11892456]

>>11892444
>near ocean/sea
>freshest fish
>eating raw meat all the time
>long tradition of grass fed cattle
B-BUT IT'S THE CARBS, I TELLS YA!

[Anonymous No.11892466]

>>11892324
Being used to a bad diet doesn't make you healthy. I bet if you started eating better you'd notice how much better you feel when you aren't overloading your digestive system with mass.

[Anonymous No.11892477]

>>11888746
Nah, fuck off to /fit/.

[Anonymous No.11892501]

>>11888746
No, dumbass. Carbs are the easiest things for our bodies to break into energy. It was never meant to be eaten in the quantities we do, but it's not bad for us.

[Anonymous No.11892505]

>>11892133
>12g is over half of 35g
What?

[Anonymous No.11892506]

>>11892444
Yea but low carbing makes you look more handsome

[Anonymous No.11892515]

>>11892501
>Carbs are the easiest things for our bodies to break into energy.
Yes, nutritionally empty food goes through your body in a jiffy (while causing massive problems on the long run, mind you). That's why youtube vegan e-celebs shit 3-5 days a day (and dare to call that healthy), while a person doing keto shits 1 times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBsnk2PtPeo

[Anonymous No.11892521]

>bread bad
>milk bad
>meat bad

[Anonymous No.11892535]

>>11892223
fuck off hippie retard

[Anonymous No.11892567]

>>11892505
Shhh, he's on a roll

[Anonymous No.11892574]

>>11892515
>ketards confirmed full of shit

[Anonymous No.11892580]

>>11892574
Freelee (vegan e-celeb) & co. flaunt openly on their channels that they shit 5 times a day. How is that healthy in your small, malnourished mind?

[Anonymous No.11892588]

>>11892580
Not to mention, Freelee says that she "can eat" 50 bananas a day, 10+ kilograms of fruit a week. How is that healthy? How is that sustainable, while, compared to people on keto, whose metabolism slows down, eat 1-2 times a day?

[Anonymous No.11892599]

>>11892515
Eat more starch and you don't even need to shit once a day.

[Anonymous No.11892603]

>>11892599
Eat superglue and you can keep all that precious shit forever in your body.

[Anonymous No.11892605]

keto is fine to lose some weight or for a quick cut, but holy fuck you fad diet fags are actually worse than vegans with the preaching. not to mention every person i met on keto has terrible smelling breath.
t. balanced diet with low sugar/refined carbs intake. also shit once a day with 90% no wipe status

[Anonymous No.11892612]

>>11892605
>fad diet
Literally not an argument. It's like saying that Einstein when he first started publishing his papers entertained "fad science," because it was new.

>worse than vegans
Except vegans do pseudo-science and actively fake their results, going against the very basic ethics of science.

>no wipe
eat the poopoo

[Anonymous No.11892624]

>>11892605
>keto has terrible smelling breath
It's no different than a person's breath after a glass of white wine or a small cup of vinegar.

[Anonymous No.11892819]

Processed food is bad, not carbohydrate itself.

[Anonymous No.11892857]

>>11892624
>drinking vinegar
Yeah that's healthy ketarded bro. While you are running around frightening small children with your noxious assmouth fumes, us based vegans have healthy regular shits that are fluffy and smell like biscuits.

[Anonymous No.11892905]

>>11892857
Good cattle.

[Anonymous No.11893128]

>>11892612
Keto's so new there hasn't been time to study the long term effects on the body.

Enjoy your organ failure.

[Anonymous No.11893148]

>>11893128
This is simply untrue. https://www.youtube.com/user/lowcarbdownunder/videos
Oldest video is from 6 years ago, the newest is from 14 hours ago. These are a series of congresses that address the low carb diet from a scientific (biological, nutritionist, athlete, etc.) POV.

Contrary to your opinion, the fact is that the long term effects of a low carb diet have been documented extensively, with immensely positive result. To name one: people suffering from diabetes, considered to be incurable and requiring constant assistance, have been made symptom-free (on the long run).

One more note: this is the ONLY scientific community I know that requires the scientists that speak to declare OPENLY their funding, meaning: biases. These people are literally the underdogs of these scientific fields, because the big lobby interests involved in high-carb diets (Nestle, Monsanto, etc.) oppose them out of economic necessity.

Please educate yourself.

[Anonymous No.11893171]

>>11893148
The underdogs of Big Beef, Big Egg, and Big Dairy!!!

[Anonymous No.11893192]

>>11893171
>egg board
>net power: few billions
>Nestle & Monsanto
>net power: hundred trillions
hurrrrr

[Anonymous No.11893200]

>>11893192
Such brave underdogs, only a few billion! You’re like those retards who consider Sam Harris the intellectual dark web, braindead and oblivious to the real world

[Anonymous No.11893227]

>>11893148
There are basically no mortality outcome studies for long term very low carbohydrate diets.

[Anonymous No.11893239]

>>11893192
>>Nestle & Monsanto
>>net power: hundred trillions
Based retarded anon

[Anonymous No.11893252]

>>11893239
They don't really care if their corn goes to fattening cows or vegans, it's all the same to them.

[Anonymous No.11893276]

Too bad your body turns everything into carbohydrates before absorbing it

>>11889052
They have lots of sugar too

[Anonymous No.11893295]

I eat half of loaf of bread a day and half a jar of peanut butter. I need that shit as I work all day

[Anonymous No.11893406]

>>11892329
400g of strawberries is potentiall 4 sodas or other recipes.

[Anonymous No.11893805]

>>11888822
>>11892819
Actually, keto / hypoglycemia has a lot of benefits, specifically increased appetites, sensations, and flavors, but et al.

>>11892400
It's possible doing keto on powders (specifically whey and casein), which is literally great.

Whey is, even, better quality than meats; has great MPS responses; and absorbs quickly for energy.

Casein has specific absorption timing; minimalistic insulin response; and very unique profiles for flavors, textures, and consistencies. Also, protein "availability" is evidenced as very beneficial for lean gains; and the greater fat loss than whey is plausibly correlative to absorption rates and such blood metrics also.

>>11892444
(Image)

>>11892501
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874681/

>>11892521
Vague.

>>11892605
Keto breath is an early aspect of the dieting.

>>11893128
>>11893227
It's possible supplementing rarities (such as pyruvate) and having similar nutriments on keto to carb-y diets with much lower impacts.

>>11893171
>>11893200
>sponsorship
Strawman.

>>11893276
Carbs are associated with insulin, and diets such as keto are of minimizing responses to foods.

[Anonymous No.11893839]

>>11893805
>Actually, keto / hypoglycemia has a lot of benefits, specifically increased appetites, sensations, and flavors, but et al.
Not eating a lot of junk food or premade food overloaded with salt and sugar has the same benefits.

[Anonymous No.11893846]

Our brains need glucose from carbs to function properly dipshit

[Anonymous No.11893848]

>>11892521
based

[Anonymous No.11893851]

>>11893128
Keto has been around since the 1800's.

[Anonymous No.11893855]

The most elderly, the fittest, strongest, most muscular, leanest, most attractive, most intelligent, wealthiest people all eat carbs on the regular and humanity as a whole has survived with carbs for hundreds of thousands of years.

Nobody but mentally ill fatties who's while lives are dictated by 4chan science and infographics fell for the keto meme. Go ahead post your shitty studies from the university of pajeetland to cope with your mental illness

[Anonymous No.11893861]

>>11893276
>your body turns everything into carbohydrates
I like your creative approach to sciencey stuff

[Anonymous No.11893868]

>>11890570
Fruit might have sugar but it has fiber which slows digestion and much more nutrition than a soda. People have been eating fruit for a long time without issue. Nobody has gotten fat and diabetic from eating too much fruit, and it's still silly that keto dieters demonize fruit when it most likely didn't cause a single one of their health problems.

>>11892318
>Fructose
I seem to have trouble digesting fructose but that doesn't mean it's bad for everyone. I can digest lactose fine even though others have problems with it.

>Gluten
Can you say why it's bad? Just stating some grains have gluten doesn't mean much. And not all grains have gluten either.

>Lectins
>Some lectins are beneficial, such as CLEC11A which promotes bone growth, while others may be powerful toxins such as ricin.
???

[Anonymous No.11893869]

>>11893846
Our body can make all the carbs it wants dipshit

[Anonymous No.11893886]

>>11893869
Can't the same thing be said about cholesterol? Does that mean you need to start avoiding cholesterol now too?

[Anonymous No.11894007]

>>11893839
Basic controls are surpassed by hypoglycemia.

>>11893855
Appealing to tradition / authority.

Huge arguments are already made favoring keto.

>>11893886
Reducing the production of cholesterol by eating it allows compounds' availabilities for other things (such as citric acid cycling; metabolism of fatty acids; synthesis of melatonin, acetylcholine, and steroids; etc.).

So >>11893805
"It's possible supplementing rarities … "

[Anonymous No.11894356]

>>11888746
range ban r*dditors

[Anonymous No.11894732]

You fucks realize carbs are bad because they basically get converted into sugar by your body, right? Stop referring to carbs and sugar as two different things.

[Anonymous No.11894746]

>>11888746
Carbs are great for two things, physical activity and gaining weight (lean mass or fat). If you don't want to do either of these things then carbs aren't that great but it's not poison

[Anonymous No.11894796]

>>11894746
>it's not poison
Above a certain level yes they are. That's why your body works so hard to remove them from the bloodstream, going so far as to piss them out if necessary.

[Anonymous No.11894807]

>>11894732
Everything gets converted to glucose, shithead

[Anonymous No.11894829]

>>11894796
Above a certain amount, water will literally kill you so I don't really see what you're getting at. Unless you're talking about diabetics?

[Anonymous No.11894831]

For me, it’s the diet with absolutely zero metabolic advantages
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/83/5/1055/4649481

[Anonymous No.11894843]

>>11889052
there are about as many carbohydrates in apples as in potatoes... it's mostly just water

[Anonymous No.11894848]

>>11892133
soda doesn't sate your apetite

[Anonymous No.11894858]

>>11893805
>>There are basically no mortality outcome studies for long term very low carbohydrate diets.
>It's possible supplementing rarities (such as pyruvate) and having similar nutriments on keto to carb-y diets with much lower impacts.
Why did you respond to me with something completely irrelevant?

[Anonymous No.11894861]

I've been eating pretty much the same thing for years - veggie bean chili, bread, and vegetables, and non fat dairy, with the occasional chicken.
I'm fine and not fat. In fact I'm thin I stand out because I'm so trim. I look around me and everyone is fat. Everyone has a bloated face and a belly. women have huge thighs and thick arms... but me? I'm lean and I'm never really that hungry either. my meals are huge because carbs have less energy per gram than fat, so I can eat more of them.

[Anonymous No.11894869]

>>11894829
Ketolards are the dumbest sacks of shit on the planet. All you have to do is defer to the spamming retard talking about how hypoglycemia is a benefit. These people are dogmatic autists that love kidney stones
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0883073807301926?journalCode=jcna&

[Anonymous No.11894878]

>>11892133
i hope you're trolling because if you aren't you're ratarted

[Anonymous No.11894880]

>>11892318
>whole grains
>gluten

Do you know what gluten is and how it’s produced, nigger?

[Anonymous No.11894888]

>>11892574
nice

[Anonymous No.11894893]

>>11894858
Because he’s an autist shilling his dumbass website and supplements. He does this shit unprompted. The idiot responds to cholesterol studies funded by egg boards as a strawman lol. Fucking loser cites his own 4chan images lmao
>>/ck/image/QNJ27WeGnODugOIhh-Bqkw

[Anonymous No.11894894]

>>11894869
Keto has its uses but it's not magic. Some people can lose weight on it because that type of diet helps them eat less. A good use of keto is to 'kick-start' your fasting but other that that it's really a meme at this point

[Anonymous No.11894900]

>>11893851
and how many of those people who started on keto in the 1800s are around to talk about it? none? that's what i thought

[Anonymous No.11894925]

>>11892133
Ketolards are unscientific braindead monkeys that eat and vote against their own interests
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20564476/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411192/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23365108/

Eating berries literally decreases glucose uptake, insulin response, and oxidation. On their own and even in a refined carb meal

[Anonymous No.11894933]

>>11894829
Your body will remove blood sugar once it goes above ~5.5 mmol/l. I think we can agree that is likely the upper limit above which your body considers sugar to be toxic. So why would you willingly consume food that sends your blood sugar levels into the toxic range, even if only briefly? Why force your liver to rescue you from poisoning yourself 3 times every day until it finally gives up and say go ahead fucktard kill yourself with high blood sugar?

[Anonymous No.11894943]

>>11894925
>decreases glucose uptake,
So does type 2 diabetes. By your reasoning type 2 diabetes must be healthy.

[Anonymous No.11894944]

>>11894933
>dude table sugar is the same as a cup of fruit lol!!!!

[Anonymous No.11894948]

>>11894943
>breathing is healthy

>but people with cancer breath

Nice deductive strawman, retard.

[Anonymous No.11894955]

>>11894944
>sugar is healthy as long as you get your fiber with it.
Sure thing, grandpa.

[Anonymous No.11894959]

>>11894933
I said carbs are great for physical activity and gaining weight. Not everyone is sedentary like you and has to avoid carbs

[Anonymous No.11894963]

>>11894955
More like, fiber, phenolic compounds, and other phytonutrients. But sure, I’ll take your retarded dogma in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, fatty

[Anonymous No.11894970]

>>11894955
>evolve with the ability to taste sweetness and see colors to pick the ripest fruits
>"fruit is bad because i ate too much white sugar and got fat"

[Anonymous No.11894975]

>>11894970
Ketolards will give themselves heart disease just to shove to imaginary enemies in their head
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22854401/

[Anonymous No.11894980]

People who are giving 20 servings of fruit a day show no adverse effects, and additionally had a 38 point drop in LDL cholesterol
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11288049/

Fruit restriction offered no benefits in type 2 diabetics whereas ample fruit consumption did as it improved glycemic control
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23497350/

Industrial/pure fructose NOT whole fruit is unhealthy
https://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278(13)00553-9/fulltext

Blueberries’ polyphenols decreases oxidation postpandrially in a high carb meal
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935321/

Polyphenols in strawberries and apples decrease glucose uptake
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20564476/

Black currant and lingoberries significantly slow glycemic response wheh consumed with pure sucrose, as well as optimizing overall metabolic responses to sucrose consumption
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22854401/

Ample doses of fruit lower glycemic response in high GI meals
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411192/

Blueberries blunt insulin response even when consumed with white bread
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23365108/

Moderate fruit diet far superior to low fruit diet especially in weight management
https://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(11)00095-3/fulltext

17 servings of fruit a day offered no adverse effects and even improved weight management, blood pressure, insulin, and lipid levels
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/5573330/

[Anonymous No.11895004]

>muh heart disease is healthy because it comes from grass fed breast milk instead of fat pressed from a flower

[Anonymous No.11895020]

>>11888746
Poison is going a bit far. I just think they're boring. I find their enjoyment-per-calorie is very low.

[Anonymous No.11895024]

>>11894807
Ketones are a thing.

>>11894831
What's researched there is of such minimalistic controls (of nutritional abundance and nutrient amounts and timing). It's possible that what was eaten was net catabolic (unsupportive), and that what and when it was eaten was very insulinogenic (especially relevant of the sedentary lifestyles).

>(on nutrient timing)
Insulin is fat-sparing, et al.

>>11894843
… For similar calories, but it's some 2.8 medium apples to a large potato.

>>11894858
Mortality metrics are based on malnutrition, or plausibly over-nutrition. Supplementing factors of gluconeogenesis is an example of mediating the "requisites" of keto (vs. carb-y).

… Cholesterol is quite beneficial for healthy individuals, and saturated fats are satiating of various aspects also.

>>11894861
Protein is way more productive than carbs, as the second most abundant item in the body, only to water. It's utilized in most physiology.

>>11894869
>>11895004
Again, minimalistic controls …

… Proper kidney health is plausibly correlative to vitamin C intakes (which were evidenced as basically "non-effective" at even 5x RDA – and though, having no inbetween metrics, with results at 15 g(!)/day – small animals naturally producing 10+ g/day).

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v09n05.shtml

>>11894893
There are points being made.

>>>/global/rules/6

>>11894925
>>11894975
>>11894980
It's possible having some carbs on keto.

[Anonymous No.11895035]

>>11895024
>minimalistic controls
Youre grasping for straws. Making shit up because you have no argument. Dietary cholesterol is of no benefit. Make an actual fucking argument, shithead. Facebook boomer infographs are not an argument

[Anonymous No.11895046]

>h-heart disease is healthy because i said theres minimalistic controls!!!

Saturated fats, trans fats, and refined carbs increase serum cholesterol and atherosclerotic risk
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/77/5/1146/4689813

Dietary cholesterol increases LDL oxidation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10704618/

Dietary cholesterol increases serum cholesterol, a meta analysis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1534437/

The progression of cholesterol and atherosclerosis
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.cir.0000103664.47406.49

Saturated fats impair antioxidative properties of HDL and disrupt endothelial function
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16904539/

Coconut oil is nearly as horrible as butter for LDL cholesterol and serum lipids
http://www.jlr.org/content/36/8/1787.full.pdf

Meta analysis claiming saturated fats are harmless is seriously misleading
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2014/03/19/dietary-fat-and-heart-disease-study-is-seriously-misleading/

Egg consumption increases LDL levels and LDL oxidation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9001684/

[Anonymous No.11895057]

>>11888746
potatoes, rice, oatmeal? poison?
no.
In fact the best source of glucose, which is primary brain fuel, is complex carbs. The rise of intelligence and grain-based agriculture historically goes hand-in-hand.
Feed one kid a fat blueberry grain muffin and let the other just eat turkey bacon and then have them both take a test, muffin-kid performs better every time.

[Anonymous No.11895060]

>>11895024
>Ketones are a thing
And this doesn’t even stop gluconeogenesis

[Anonymous No.11895064]

>>11895024
>Mortality metrics are based on malnutrition, or plausibly over-nutrition.
No, they are based on when and how people die. The rest is just theory, for now without long term evidence.

[Anonymous No.11895071]

>>11895064
Lol i didn’t even catch that. What a sleazy slippery weaseling retard

[Anonymous No.11895082]

>>11895060
Some things are specifically requiring carbs from gluconeogenesis. But also …
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874681/

>>11895064
The correlatives and trends are obvious. The logic is that the body is such a great generator when its given proper fuels.

[Anonymous No.11895095]

>>11895082
>but also
Gluconeogenesis still occurs, everything gets converted to glucose

>The correlatives and trends are obvious. The logic is that the body is such a great generator when its given proper fuels
Has nothing to do with what he said

[Anonymous No.11895117]

>>11895035
LOL at grandpa quoting a 70-yr old paper that was debunked 68 yrs ago

[Anonymous No.11895126]

>>11895095
Amino acids are remained that way until they're excessive. That's already an example, so it's obviously beneficial actually evidencing claims.

>has …
It does. He's appealing to a negative. The trends are genetic expression, which is basing on nutrition, flexibility, cardio, and strength. E.g., heights are most correlating with protein intakes.

[Anonymous No.11895128]

>>11895117
Another retarded fat triggered ketolard with another non argument

Go disprove the hundreds years old theory of gravity and jump off a building.

[Anonymous No.11895136]

>>11895128
Hahahahaha same 70 yr old paper with hand drawn graphs of debunked kindergarten-level "models". Go back to bed, your alzheimers is acting up again.

[Anonymous No.11895138]

>>11895126
Are you literally a malfunctioning AI? You’re spewing complete fucking non sequitirs. Mortality metrics are metrics of mortality not your incoherent strawman

[Anonymous No.11895143]

>>11895136
Yawn. Next!

[Anonymous No.11895157]

>>11895143
antivenin is literally the same as a beaver damn

[Anonymous No.11895182]

>>11895024
>carbs suck lol

>can eat 30 servings of fruit a day with zero negative effects

>k-keto has c-carbs

[Anonymous No.11895191]

Appealing to mechanisms and negatives (et al faulty claims of lack of controls) is not an argument

[Anonymous No.11895288]

Keto faggots don't know about portion control.

[Anonymous No.11895379]

>>11892515

Vegan e-celebs shit 3-5 times a day because having to shit so often among vegans is regarded as an achievement and proof that they are on the "good" path. Some view very closely related to that nonsene "detox" view, like every shit is "detoxing", so the more the better, espeically if you were a carnivore before where the body gets rid of "old waste" with every shit...

You normally should not even have to shit once a day but every few days.

[Anonymous No.11895392]

>>11888746
Yeah, watch Peter Attia's presentation around 2015. He sums up the history and the scientific evidence on how basically once sugar/high carb diets were introduced in the US our mortality went sky high. I've been keto for 6 months now and the best thing I ever did for myself was drop grains and just consume veggies, fat and high quality meats.

[Anonymous No.11895403]

>>11895060
>gluconeogenesis
This isn't an issue if you're in ketosis, to say otherwise is to be willfully ignorant or just an NPC

[Anonymous No.11895425]

>>11895379
>You normally should not even have to shit once a day but every few days.
Quite the opposite

>>11895403
Gluconeogenesis occurs regardless if you’re in ketosis. You’re missing the point entirely

>>11895392
>basically once sugar/high carb diets were introduced in the US our mortality went sky high.

[Anonymous No.11895434]

>>11892444
Back to /brit/

[Anonymous No.11895435]

>>11895425
>Gluconeogenesis occurs regardless
Sure, but it's not an issue as long as you burn ketones for fuel. In any case, this isn't 2009 /ck/ anymore where you vegan fact posters dominate the conversation anymore. Science has advanced and many doctors, researchers and regular folks are attesting to the long-term health benefits of a ketogenic diet. I mean the science is out there and no matter how much cherry picking you do, you'll never convince me to stop eating avocados, butter and red meat.

[Anonymous No.11895488]

>>11895138
>mortality metrics are metrics of mortality
Appealing to tradition.

>>11895182
The capability of something with 0 sides is surpassed by the option of something with benefits. Next to a few servings of fruit (which are even possible on keto), increased GH and sensations are so much greater. E.g., stevia exists.

>>11895191
It is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2l61X8ILT0

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>>11892229
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.11895554]

>organised agriculture started societies and advanced human race
>ancient proto-ketofag hunter-collectors died out or assimilated to superior societies
Really makes you think...

[Anonymous No.11895576]

>>11895488
>appealing to tradition
You mean the definition you fucking retard? Do you know what mortality means?

>The capability of something with 0 sides
Appealing to a false negative

>it is
Nope. Neither is appealing to the authority of Youtube videos

Why are you so fucking stupid? Why do you think lying is an effective technique?

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>>11895435
The science is evidently out there yet the only person posting any actual studies is the vegan posting about the benefits of carbohydrates

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>>11888746
Genes have been identified that allow us to better digest starchy foods and it's only really less prevalent in modern hunter-gatherer groups.

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>>11895588
What's the point of that study? That people who exercise a lot and eat less are healthier? You don't need to be vegan to do that.

[Anonymous No.11895624]

Carnivores are at least aware they’re full of shit and make no sincere attempts to show otherwise. Ketolards geniunely think retards like Chris Kresser are bastions of knowledge

Obligatory shitpost image

[Anonymous No.11895637]

>increased sensations
Lmao every time. Get heart disease but things taste sweeter which literally doesn’t require ketosis!

>>11895604
The vegans in the study were sedentary and were the healthiest actually

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>>11895554
>>11895597
Nah bro all about those mechanisms of fat which have nothing to do with the metabolism of their dietary consumption. Oh you got studies to back your shit up? Nah dogshit bro

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>>11895656

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>>11894861
>women have huge thighs
That sounds nice anon.

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>>11895624
>would need 10 fucking oz of broccoli for 100 calories
By the time I cut the stalk of this (pictured) 1 lb of brocolli I'd need two to three. If I'm using the base and trimming off the very bottom and peeling the inedible rough exterior of the stalk then I need the whole thing.
>11.1g of proteins per ~10 oz
u wut

Image is hilarious.

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>>11895576
Actually, it's appealing to the tradition of history.

>negative
The claims of 0 sides (and some benefits) was what that was responding to.

>
Arguments; PS: That video has sources.

>>11895637
It's possible having diets consisting of protein powders, specifically casein and whey, which are very similar to milks and other dairy products.

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>>11895656
>>11895670

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>>11895697
>Actually, it's appealing to the tradition of history.
Its not appealing to anything. You’re shifting the goalposts because nobody bit on the bullshit that mortality metrics fir your made up definition

>The claims of 0 sides (and some benefits) was what that was responding to
Exactly. Learn how to read, dumbass.

>that video had sources
Appealing to a broscientist who appeals to false poorly controlled studies is not an argument. Neither is appealing to your own screencaps you pathetic sperg

Maybe you should start appealing to actual research instead of your cult leaders and narcissistic self-sensation of intelligence. You haven’t made a single reputable worthwhile claim or rebuttal

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>>11895749
>that whole response
So, on posting an actual argument …

[Anonymous No.11896141]

>>11888746
No, but refined sugars and bleached flours are. You'd be wise to consume those sparingly, like ethanol.