/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11816305]

Redpill me on MSG

[Anonymous No.11816312]

>>11816305
It's literally cheating. If you use it, you're shit.

[Anonymous No.11816317]

>>11816305
Dabs on 3 star chefs so they talk shit about it whenever they can.

[Anonymous No.11816320]

>>11816305
Causes cancer

[Anonymous No.11816322]

>>11816305
Saves you a ton of money on dried mushrooms

[Anonymous No.11816330]

>>11816305
It's pretty good and there's no real evidence it does what >>11816320 says.

[Anonymous No.11816367]

>>11816330
>there's no evidence

Yeah, fuck you

[Anonymous No.11816375]

>>11816320
Everything causes cancer. Try again.

[Anonymous No.11816376]

>>11816305
Its like a more natural version of salt

[Anonymous No.11816381]

>>11816367
glutamate is literally one of the most important building blocks of life. Not only is there no evidence it causes cancer, its downright implausible

[Anonymous No.11816389]

>>11816375
No

>>11816381
No

[Anonymous No.11816400]

>>11816367
>>11816389
Really doing a good job making your case

[Anonymous No.11816401]

>>11816389
Yes

[Anonymous No.11816426]

>Glutamic acid is a non-essential amino acid, meaning that *your body can produce it*. It serves various functions in your body and is found in *nearly all foods*.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/msg-good-or-bad#what-it-is

Better stay away from tomatoes, mushrooms, cheese, corn, potatoes, sardines, breast milk, peas, etc, etc.

[Anonymous No.11816435]

>>11816317
They were all using it, as well as well as synthetic truffel oil ... and then suddenly it became not done. You'd think with the whole molecular cooking craze, it would have been redeemed.

[Anonymous No.11816443]

>>11816435
people are afraid of chemical names, thats all it comes down to

[Anonymous No.11816448]

It's in Doritos and Chik Fil A food

[Anonymous No.11816451]

>>11816426
i wonder if theres a connection with alzheimers or dementia
i heard glutimate is related

[Anonymous No.11816456]

>>11816305
Makes (You) Super Gay

[Anonymous No.11816457]

>>11816451
>Source: my ass

[Anonymous No.11816462]

>>11816448
Actually Chick Fil A doesn't use msg (I'm p. sure of this). A lot of companies use yeast extracts and products that contain glutamates without being pure MSG themselves to try to trick consumers though.

So I think a lot of people assume MSG is a really strong, dominant flavor, and as long as you are using about 1/4 to 1/8 as much MSG per the amount of salt you use in a dish, you won't really find it very strong, and indeed might be surprised by how subtle it is. I use it in sweet and savory applications, because it was discussed here and I love it. Just think of it as a subtle flavor enhancement not a magic ingredient and you will be pleasantly surprised. The key is learning how to ratio your salt and msg in a dish, desserts included.

[Anonymous No.11816466]

>>11816443
Seriously, coastie women will protest anything with even a whiff of science near it from GMOs to MSG to modern medicine and vaccines

[Anonymous No.11816470]

>>11816312
Only losers don't cheat if they can't get caught.

[Anonymous No.11816477]

>>11816451
Think about that for a minute.
MSG is produced by your own body and is literally present in everything you eat. How could you ever research this. The control group would have to live off water for 25 years

[Anonymous No.11816480]

>>11816462
>A lot of companies use yeast extracts and products that contain glutamates without being pure MSG themselves to try to trick consumers though.

>reading food label
>"no refined sugar!" on the packaging
>ingredient list has "evaporated cane syrup" or "dehydrated cane juice" in it

[Anonymous No.11816494]

>>11816462
Straight from the website

[Anonymous No.11816519]

>>11816480
or even just honey. No better way for market your unhealthy sugary thing as being a natural health food

Honey and HFCS are chemically almost the same blend of stuff but one is perceived as manufactured and evil and one as natural and therefore good

[Anonymous No.11816537]

>>11816519
>Honey and HFCS are chemically almost the same blend of stuff but one is perceived as manufactured and evil and one as natural and therefore good
I wonder if food companies wanted that to happen just so that they could switch out for another sweetener and have people think it's healthier, instead of reducing how much was used altogether and maybe losing customers because people are addicted to sugar

[Anonymous No.11816547]

>>11816305
Makes cottage cheese taste good.

[Anonymous No.11816574]

>>11816537
HFCS is used industrially because it tastes good , and is more convenient to use being a liquid. Its much easier to handle liquids than granular solids such as table sugar because they can be pumped, and shipped in more efficient formats like tanks or drums rather than bags

Honey is very similar but with the added benefit of being considered natural by the general public which many, especially women and coasties, assume makes it healthy. The downside being honey is considerably more expensive to source, but if you are marketing as a natural "artisanal" product you can more than make up for that

[Anonymous No.11816610]

>>11816305
It's fancy salt nothing more. It's not made in a lab it's just byproduct of fermenting things like beets. It's like using celery salt sometimes you want a flavor but don't want to put reductions on everything. There's no evidence saying it causes adverse reactions in people. Like most people with "food allergies" (outside real ones like eggs shellfish peanuts) it's all in their head.

[Anonymous No.11816624]

>>11816477
your body profuces lots of things.
like hair, nails, stomach lining, snot, skin
semen, blood, stomach bile, piss, hydrygen peroxide
cerebral spinal fluid, bilirubin, shit, tears, farts and co2. sometimes milk
not all of which are recommended to imbibe

[Anonymous No.11816626]

>>11816610
Honestly, its even more basic than that. Its one of the building blocks of life, its present in all living cells plant or animal

[Anonymous No.11816637]

>>11816574
Honey gets a lot of flavor and rand color from the kind of pollin they pick up. So in my mind it's more than a sweetener. Although the stuff they probably use in drinks is probably cheap honey without locating the hive near a intended sources of pollin.

[Anonymous No.11816640]

>>11816624
MSG isn't good because your body can produce, but we can determine that its not harmful based on the fact that it is present throughout your body, and indeed in every living cell. Quite unlike the harmfulish things you mention which are generally sequestered, outside cells, for a very specific purpose. MSG is simpler and more everpresent than any of those thing

[Anonymous No.11816647]

>>11816626
I was talking more about its application.

[Anonymous No.11816653]

>>11816637
>Honey gets a lot of flavor and rand color from the kind of pollin they pick up
it can, but most of the honey used in products is not such. You are thinking of super niche, expensive honey, not the honey that most people consume

At its best honey can be much more complex a flavor than HFCS, but base tier honey is almost the exact same thing as HFCS and thats the vast majority of honey that people encounter

[Anonymous No.11816660]

>>11816653
Literally what I said in the second half of that post

[Anonymous No.11816667]

>>11816660
Honestly I just read sentences and respond before reading entire posts, thats just how it goes

[Anonymous No.11816668]

>>11816660
Fuck you!

[Anonymous No.11816676]

>>11816667
It's hardly even a paragraph man, come on.

[Anonymous No.11816680]

>>11816667
>millennial attention span

[Anonymous No.11816687]

>>11816680
how old are you?

[Anonymous No.11816694]

>>11816574
None of that is true, which we can see because the rest of the world still uses sugar.

The only reason the US uses so much HFCS is easy to look up: During the 1970's the US sugar industry was having a hard time competing with cheap imported sugar from abroad. They lobbied congress, and as a result congress passed a farm bill including high import duty, as well as quotas (limits) on foreign sugar import. The goal was to drive up the price of foreign sugar so that the US sugar industry could make more money. Alas, that didn't work. The price of sugar did go up. But instead of switching to domestic sugar, all the big soft drink and processed food companies switched to HFCS instead during the late 1970's and early 1980's. The sugar industry got fucked even harder as a result. And THAT is why HFCS is everywhere today: in the US, sugar costs about 3x what it does elsewhere in the world. Were those duties and quotas legally repealed then the price of sugar would plummet and US production would switch back to beet and cane sugar again. The rest of the world doesn't have this issue because they never passed the same kind of quotas or taxes.

[Anonymous No.11816710]

>>11816694
its both

[Anonymous No.11816719]

>>11816694
also corn sugar tastes better

[Anonymous No.11816728]

>>11816312
Mainly this. It's used by cooks and chefs who are either churning out slop for pig trough feeders by the ton on the cheap or too uncreative to incorporate glutamate rich food items into their dish which will add an additional depth and complexity. It's similar to midwest suburban housewives opening a can of cream of mushroom soup for their shit casserole instead of making it from scratch.

[Anonymous No.11816744]

>>11816728
how is it different than sodium chloride according to your system of morals?

[Anonymous No.11816746]

>>11816728
>It's similar to midwest suburban housewives opening a can of cream of mushroom soup for their shit casserole instead of making it from scratch.
Oh yeah, because only midwesterners use canned ingredients, might coasties make everything from scratch of course

[Anonymous No.11816753]

>>11816744
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but I'm glad you asked.

It's not. It's about on the same level as sodium chloride. That is to say: it has its uses, but they are generally limited. The overwhelming majority of the time there is a less refined product which gives more flavor that is better suited to your dish.

The same applies to the other basic tastes: sugar for sweet and acid for sour. things like honey, nectars, and syrups are much better sweeteners than plain sugar is. And likewise: citrus juices or flavored vinegars (wine, malt, cider, etc.) are a lot tastier than distilled white vinegar.

Of course, having the concentrated forms like MSG, NaCl, white vinegar, white sugar, etc, have advantages because they're cheap and flexible in their application, but no, they're not as tasty as alternatives.

[Anonymous No.11816956]

>>11816367
>Yeah, fuck you
Your skills in debate are exceptional

[Anonymous No.11817006]

i bought a bag of this but don't know what to use it in :((((

[Anonymous No.11817058]

>>11816389
To be fair there is some truth to it, life is just one long bout of kicking the can down the road till after you've already had kids, where the can is cancer.

Even oxygen causes cancer in the form of free radicals that float around and damage DNA.

[Anonymous No.11817275]

>>11816728
>I HATE WHITE PEOPLE!: the post

[Anonymous No.11817289]

>>11816753
That's a load of horse shit,
execution is everything.

[Anonymous No.11817429]

>>11817006
sniff it like a man, faggot

[Anonymous No.11817442]

>>11816305
It's a pretty big building that's best used for sporting events

[Anonymous No.11817744]

>>11817006
make a hamburger and sprinkle it on that

[Anonymous No.11818084]

It's a basic amino acid. Your own body produces it. It's in every living thing.

It can be a source of sodium, so if you've got high blood pressure you should be careful, just like your regular salt intake.

[Anonymous No.11819553]

>>11816305
Msg is just ground penises its healthy and natural

[Anonymous No.11819589]

>>11816305
>these are the "arguments" claiming MSG are bad
>>11816367
>>11816389

[Anonymous No.11819831]

>>11819553
is actually ground down dead hens

[Anonymous No.11820789]

>>11816305
MSG is the god of all spices. I never lesve home without it.

[Anonymous No.11821600]

>>11816305
It has its place, but like anything that is specific for adding flavor, you should use it sparingly. To base an entire dish off MSG would be like making a burger that is 80% mustard.

[Anonymous No.11821616]

>>11816305
It makes stuff good

[Anonymous No.11821617]

>>11821600
I know that fox.

[Anonymous No.11822185]

>>11816305
Use too much and you'll have a nice headache.