why aren't you vegan?

[Anonymous No.11572392]

[Anonymous No.11572408]

I’m

-too afraid to confront reality
-am easily manipulated by pseudoscience
-insecure about my identity so much that not eating meat threatens it
-don’t care about my health
-don’t care about the environment
-don’t care about anything but gluttonous pursuits
-get aroused by phallic vegetables

I think that about it covers it, huh?

[Anonymous No.11572417]

because I like food.

[Anonymous No.11572420]

>>11572392
I can afford to eat meat, and my neighbors who raise livestock appreciate me purchasing from them...
>I don't have any angsty mental issues, so I wouldn't make for a 'good' vegan anyways...

[Anonymous No.11572435]

>>11572408

[Anonymous No.11572460]

Animals are sub-humans, I don't care what happens to them.

[Anonymous No.11572465]

>>11572420
You’re an enormous faggot cuck. I think you’ll be fine as a vegan

[Anonymous No.11572473]

>>11572460
Humans are animals too. Do you think you are worthless?

[Anonymous No.11572476]

>>11572473
Humans have souls. Animals do not.

[Anonymous No.11572480]

>>11572473
Yes

[Anonymous No.11572487]

>>11572476
Yikes

[Anonymous No.11572491]

>>11572473
I would eat a human if I didn’t have to kill it myself.

[Anonymous No.11572493]

>>11572487
If you don't believe that humans have souls, then, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't care about humans either.

[Anonymous No.11572494]

>>11572392

[Anonymous No.11572495]

tell me one good reason why I should become vegan

[Anonymous No.11572496]

I don't understand the appeal of Soy induced emasculation

[Anonymous No.11572498]

>>11572476
>Humans have souls
proof?

[Anonymous No.11572501]

>>11572495
like, I'm being serious
I'm willing to hear the environmental, ethical, nutritional, and economical reasons as to why veganism is better than being omnivorous

[Anonymous No.11572503]

>>11572498
The existence of the Self as a relation relating the relation to itself.

[Anonymous No.11572509]

>>11572392
I'm italian: I won't cut myself out the best food just because of some stupid ass ideology.

[Anonymous No.11572530]

>>11572495
not participating in animal holocaust and (much less importantly) saving the environment

[Anonymous No.11572537]

>>11572496
>soy is bad

[Anonymous No.11572538]

>>11572493
>my ability to not massacre everything is dependent on the fringe concept of the existence of souls
Ummm

[Anonymous No.11572545]

>>11572538
Not really a fringe concept, but yes, I only find intrinsic value in the life of someone with a soul. Once the animal is dead, it's nothing, it has no reason to care about what happened to it in life.

[Anonymous No.11572548]

>>11572465
No, I wouldn't...I believe it's an unhealthy lifestyle, just listen to the hysterics of vegans ffs...mental cases probably half a nut worse than fat girl sjw...

[Anonymous No.11572549]

>>11572503
>The existence of the Self as a relation relating the relation to itself.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tautology

[Anonymous No.11572556]

>>11572549
It's not tautolgical. There are many things the relation could be relating itself to.

[Anonymous No.11572558]

>>11572494
I don't get it. Is it because Hitler is dead?

[Anonymous No.11572581]

>>11572545
By fringe I mean the idea of it actually existing is fringe, marginal, if that’s your standard for not being a psychopath you’re basically at the edge of the border.

[Anonymous No.11572583]

daily reminder that as a vegan, you'd have to forfeit all modern luxuries because they are all in some way causing harm to the environment as well as animals

you can't be minimizing animal harm when you're intentionally purchasing a product that isn't necessary to live that indirectly contributes to animal harm

[Anonymous No.11572593]

>>11572545
Why would you assume animals don’t have souls

[Anonymous No.11572595]

>>11572583
Farting is harmful. Hmmm, do i stop murdering animals for my Mickey D’s binge or do i stop farting?

[Anonymous No.11572598]

>>11572548
>I believe it's an unhealthy lifestyle, just listen to the hysterics of vegans ffs...mental cases probably half a nut worse than fat girl sjw...
I could say the same thing about any group of people trying to make a change in the world. Why shouldn't vegans be emotional about what they believe in? Is it bad to believe in something? If you're afraid of becoming vegan because of how people will judge you, you need to unironically stop being a pussy.

Also if fat SJW girls were vegan, they wouldn't be fat.

[Anonymous No.11572602]

>>11572593
Because that’s what im indoctrinated to presuppose in a christcuck upbringing

[Anonymous No.11572609]

>>11572501
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ny6aqdFy9SI
This is the only reason you need.

[Anonymous No.11572612]

>>11572583
It's hilarious when you bring that point up btw
Suddenly it goes from "doing no harm to animals" to "minimizing harm to animals" to "doing less harm than non-vegans"

[Anonymous No.11572615]

>>11572602
Pay attention in bible school next week
https://www.openbible.info/topics/animals_having_a_soul

[Anonymous No.11572617]

>>11572612
>it’s hilarious your statement fits my strawman
Thanks for the anecdote

[Anonymous No.11572630]

>>11572617
you shouldn't be using that internet, bro
you're killing animals as we speak

[Anonymous No.11572632]

Vegans, why are you on a food board if you won’t eat food?

[Anonymous No.11572634]

>>11572598
>Also if fat SJW girls were vegan, they wouldn't be fat.
Good point. If they were skinny and good looking people would at least pretend to listen to them.

[Anoɳymous No.11572635]

>>11572494
>>11572558
It's Loss

[Anonymous No.11572639]

>>11572583
>you can't be minimizing animal harm when you're intentionally purchasing a product that isn't necessary to live that indirectly contributes to animal harm
What's your point? That you not only have no problem directly harming animals, but you're also happy with indirectly harming animals?

There obviously is no such thing as absolutes. I don't stop being straight because I accidentally bumped into a guy's ass on the train.

[Anonymous No.11572650]

>>11572630
The Internet is a means to communicate and access messages and ideas made from electronics

A sausage made of pigs is to satisfy your latent cocklust

[Anonymous No.11572652]

>>11572639
It's understandable that there is no such thing as a "perfect vegan", just like there is no such thing as a "perfect christian"
But when vegans start to parade themselves as being morally superior, that's when you whip out the hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.11572662]

>>11572652
>they’re objectively superior but ill bitch and moan anyways

[Anonymous No.11572663]

>>11572612
I’m not a vegan, but I don’t think that argument is some sort of epic takedown. Surely a vegan could just say that they don’t want to pay an industry that directly benefits from harming/exploiting animals (e.g. their income revolves around their exploitation, their income is dependent upon a constant stream of animals). Chopping down some trees to make a home is not a pursuit that requires animals to be harmed or exploited; this potential harm is an accidental product.

At least, that’s what I’d say if I was a vegan.

[Anonymous No.11572664]

>>11572650
and you think those electronics are made without any pollutants?
pollutants which in turn causes harm in our environment?
shame on you, anon

[Anonymous No.11572665]

Based thread. Thank you for everything you do OP.

[Anonymous No.11572674]

>>11572662
>still doesn't address the original point
lol

[Anonymous No.11572675]

>>11572598
That's an interesting answer that really didn't say anything, yet infered alot desu...
People can do whatever they want in their world, and I will do the same in mine...change simply for the sake of change is risky, and usually doesn't end well...
I don't get emotional because I generally don't care about things that others do, those I identify as npc's...
Is it bad to believe in something? I don't know, ask a practicing Catholic...
I'm not afraid of becoming vegan because of others judgement, because I don't believe it's a healthy lifestyle, other's judgements don't factor into anything I do...
And yes, fat sjw vegan girls would still be fat because sedentary lifestyle, triple mocha frapuchinnos with a quad hit of sugar- and don't forget the doughnuts as they are considered 'vegan' too...

[Anonymous No.11572682]

>>11572652
>But when vegans start to parade themselves as being morally superior, that's when you whip out the hypocrisy.
Well, if your comeback to vegans being morally superior is pointing out how they're indirectly harming animals, then you are acknowledging that harming animals is bad; harming animals being a counterpoint to their alleged moral superiority. Vegans do less harm to animals than you. So vegans are morally superior to you, by your own admission.

[Anonymous No.11572684]

I'm only satisfied with a meal when I know that preparing it came at the cost of an animal's suffering.

[Anonymous No.11572694]

>>11572664
When I use the internet, there is pollution which has a massive indirect causal chain. When you stuff your fat trap with a mcchicken thats you directly supporting chickens being brutally maimed and murdered. Internet or mcchicken?

>no such thing as immortality, better shoot everything with a pulse!
Yikes dude

[Anonymous No.11572703]

>>11572674
>im a whiny bitch with a strawman looking to absolve and disassociate my objectively awful actions and responsibility
I heard you loud and clearly

[Anonymous No.11572704]

>>11572684
Animals don’t have the brain capacity to truly suffer.

[Anonymous No.11572711]

>>11572704
Pretty sure almost all have nociceptors

[Anonymous No.11572716]

>>11572694
a more accurate comparison would be internet or no internet
and you decided to choose the former, which causes more harm than the latter

[Anonymous No.11572717]

>>11572684
Do you carry yourself with the same psycopathy in the rest of your life and in dealings with other humans? Or do you cuck away from conflict with humans that can defend themselves and only target dumb livestock animals.

[Anonymous No.11572721]

>>11572664
>excluding animal abuse is impossible thus veganism is impossible
>i hit my daughter once so beating the fuck out of her whenever is justified
Crop fields do indeed disrupt the habitats of wild animals, and wild animals are also killed when harvesting plants. However, this point makes the case for a plant-based diet and not against it, since many more plants are required to produce a measure of animal flesh for food (often as high as 12:1) than are required to produce an equal measure of plants for food (which is obviously 1:1). Because of this, a plant-based diet causes less suffering and death than one that includes animals.
It is pertinent to note that the idea of perfect veganism is a non-vegan one. Such demands for perfection are imposed by critics of veganism, often as a precursor to lambasting vegans for not measuring up to an externally-imposed standard. That said, the actual and applied ethics of veganism are focused on causing the least possible harm to the fewest number of others. It is also noteworthy that the accidental deaths caused by growing and harvesting plants for food are ethically distinct from the intentional deaths caused by breeding and slaughtering animals for food. This is not to say that vegans are not responsible for the deaths they cause, but rather to point out that these deaths do not violate the vegan ethics stated above.

[Anonymous No.11572732]

>>11572408
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11572739]

>>11572716
>a more accurate would be internet or no internet
But you’re not arguing for no internet, you’re arguing for the objectively worst alternative because you have no self control for your eating. The difference here is I recognize imperfection but seek to practically reduce it, you refuse to see any of it because of your fat nihilist gullet

[Anonymous No.11572752]

>>11572609
>compares farming to the holocaust and chattel slavery

I really don’t think that’s going to be a compelling argument to most people.

[Anonymous No.11572760]

>>11572739
except I didn't
learn to read

[Anonymous No.11572763]

>>11572739
So why is it impractical to not use resources visiting 4channel?

[Anonymous No.11572772]

>>11572760
Except you didn’t what? Learn not to be an obtuse nihilist aspie

>>11572763
What is inherently wrong with using 4chan? This a forum where ideas and information get exchanged.

[Anonymous No.11572775]

Most of these arguments devolve into a disagreement about the axioms. In this case:
>Are animals intrinsically valuable/do animals have souls? Even if so, are their lives worth more than the pleasure we receive from their products?
Vegans: yes
People against vegans: no
It’s like abortion. It always comes down to what you think a fetus is worth
>does a fetus have value equal to the life of the mother?
Pro-lifers: yes
Pro-choicers: no

And, unfortunately, you can’t argue axioms; they’re something you take for granted when the argument begins. However, I don’t understand the hatred for vegans (much like hatred for pro-lifers). If vegans genuinely believe that animals have souls and are worth more than our gustatory pleasures, than of course they’re upset and want you to change your life. In that same vein, pro-lifers are absolutely justified in complaining about abortion: they consider it to be murder and, obviously, they want mass murder to cease. Genuine vegans fight to stop what they consider to be mass, unjustified murder. I can’t really fathom hating a group for that.

[Anonymous No.11572782]

>>11572752
Regardless of the voiceover’s stupid analogies, the footage itself is powerful stuff.

[Anonymous No.11572791]

>>11572772
I never said I was advocating for the whole "animal holocaust", as you so lightly put it
In fact, I adopted a vegan diet for the nutritional benefit, but the morality side of it is retarded as fuck
so like I said, using internet over not using internet causes more harm, which you seem to be happily doing so

[Anonymous No.11572820]

>>11572791
>I never said I was advocating for the whole "animal holocaust", as you so lightly put it
I never said you did. I think YOU need to learn to read, retard

>but the morality side of it is retarded as fuck
That’s not veganism. That’s just you.

>so like I said, using internet over not using internet causes more harm
And like I said, this wasn’t your original point so your moving the goalposts and continue to ignore the actual net benefits of internet versus none even relating to harm reduction. And like I said, Internet use with a long long indirect causal chain that you can’t even quantify or bullshit is nowhere near comparable to the actual direct support of slaughter of animals. What did I actually say is that your straw grasping “all or nothing” was/is fucking retarded. This goes back to someone else’s point that you recognize the objective total awfulness of eating meat but then excuse it because internet tho

>somebody out there is gonna savagely rape someone, why shouldn’t it be me?

This is what you look and are like

[Anonymous No.11572827]

Give me one good reason to care if an animal suffers. They’re animals. Their feelings don’t matter.

[Anonymous No.11572829]

>>11572827
You’re an animal

[Anonymous No.11572835]

>>11572820
>I never said you did
>"you’re arguing for the objectively worst alternative because you have no self control for your eating"

[Anonymous No.11572841]

>>11572827
>give me a rational argument to dissolve my opinion on the metaphysical
Can’t

[Anonymous No.11572848]

>>11572835
>>I never said I was advocating for the whole "animal holocaust", as you so lightly put it

So now I’m saying things whenever it’s convenient for you? Great talk. Nice job addressing the actual relevant points btw

[Anonymous No.11572864]

>>11572848
If you're too retarded to see that you're actually the one putting words in my mouth, then it's a waste of time to try and argue with you.

[Anonymous No.11572873]

>>11572864
>no its you!!!
You’re really desperate
Still not addressing the actual points :)

[Anonymous No.11572890]

>>11572864
I went through the reply chain and the other anon never said that

[Anonymous No.11572913]

>>11572864
>n-no, you’re retarded!
Most arguments here end this way

[Anonymous No.11572924]

>>11572476
My cat has more soul than I do.
You should hear him sing...

[Anonymous No.11572932]

>>11572392
Because it's a political ideology, part of the neo-marxist grab-bag of awful.

[Anonymous No.11572939]

>>11572775
>If vegans genuinely believe that animals have souls and are worth more than our gustatory pleasures, than of course they’re upset and want you to change your life.
I'm a big believer in everybody being an adult and making their own decisions about everything...there is nobody better at making decisions about me than me - not the Government, nor some pale skinny fembot on a hairless kitten fur rug weaving image board...
However, should I adopt this vegan lifestyle as others have deemed it to be so, then I too get to decide something about their lifestyle that I believe is decadent and lazy...seems fair n'est pas?

[Anonymous No.11572940]

>>11572932
you're not wrong, mr peterson

[Anonymous No.11572946]

>>11572932
>X is Y because reasons
Intersectionalist cancer, eat shit

[Anonymous No.11572953]

>>11572932
Kek do you know what a political ideology is? If yes, how do vegans (not be conflated with liberals) suggest we allocate power?

[Anonymous No.11572963]

>>11572556
The first rule of Tautolgical club is the 1st rule of Tautolgical club!

[Anonymous No.11572966]

>>11572392
because morality is subjective

[Anonymous No.11572969]

>>11572939
>I'm a big believer in everybody being an adult and making their own decisions about everything...there is nobody better at making decisions about me than me - not the Government, nor some pale skinny fembot on a hairless kitten fur rug weaving image board...
Okay Im with you
>I too get to decide something something about their lifestyle that I believe is decadent and lazy...
You lost me a bit here.

[Anonymous No.11572970]

>>11572652
The meat industry does actually create a large amount of carbon emissions and wastes water. They may not make their lifestyle perfectly waste free but they are doing much better than the average meat eater.

[Anonymous No.11572980]

>>11572595
But if you cut out the Mickey Ds you'll probably fart less.

[Anonymous No.11573010]

>>11572782
>the footage itself
Yikes.

[Anonymous No.11573012]

>>11573010
?

[Anonymous No.11573022]

>>11572721
>lambasting vegans
I read that as Lamb-Basting.
Like one might do for a holiday dinner.

Also, nobody has pointed out that it's been proven that plant scream when they're cut down.

[Anonymous No.11573025]

>>11572953
Like all variations of neo-marxism, people espousing these beliefs are only interested in increasing their own power. So a vegan's power play comes in the form of the identity stack. Properly signaling your identity as a vegan places you higher on the stack than the non-vegan version of your identity group.
This identity only provides the desired moral superiority when working within the progressive stack framework, which is why vegans are so keen on proselytizing their beliefs, because it's meaningless unless somebody else acknowledges your superiority.

[Anonymous No.11573036]

>>11572717
Not him, but im the second option. What are you going to do about it?

[Anonymous No.11573050]

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/

[Anonymous No.11573059]

>>11573025
This is literally intersectionalism you’re using as your logic. Eat dogshit, faggot

>guys im not a vegan im actually superior, guys listen!!!!
Proselytizing faggot

[Anonymous No.11573061]

>>11573025
Let’s break this up in order of your claims.
Proposed question: How is veganism a political ideology? If it is, how do they suggest we allocate power?
Answer:
1. Veganism is a variation of neo-Marxism
Beg the question in the first phrase, nice.
2. Vegans are only interested in power
Your second point is an assumption for which you’ve provided no basis.
3. A vegan’s power play comes in the form of an identity stack
Only holds if vegans are, indeed, after power— a claim that is a baseless.
4. Blah blah intro psychology in-group power struggle
Doesn’t hold since the foundation of the argument (1 and 2) have yet to be proven.

Terrible attempt overall.

[Anonymous No.11573063]

[Anonymous No.11573070]

>>11572501
Disregard for life and its dignity is not psychologically healthy. Now I'm a weak faggot and eat meat any way, but I wouldn't describe myself as psychologically healthy.

Even in organic farming animals aren't really treated with much dignity, family structure is ripped apart through artificial insemination and the culling of male animals just for instance.

We shouldn't seek to emulate soulless chinks.

[Anonymous No.11573074]

>>11573061
His identity is a sausage slurping sorry fag which is why he’s lashing out against vegans and counter signaling

[Anonymous No.11573083]

>>11572969
If you link up a bit further, I quoted this...
> If vegans genuinely believe that animals have souls and are worth more than our gustatory pleasures, than of course they’re upset and want you to change your life.
This is, to me, having others make decisions on my behalf...something I don't condone desu...
However, if they get their way on one thing of their choice, I should be able to make choices in their lifestyles too - right?

[Anonymous No.11573095]

>>11573050
lol

[Anonymous No.11573102]

>>11572392
because I'm able to choose where to spend my money and use my power as a consumer to help reshape the meat industry

I don't just eat up any tearjerking documentary

[Anonymous No.11573106]

>>11573012
I could just as easily splice together a bunch of footage of babies crying and old people dying and tell you to never ever go to a hospital.

[Anonymous No.11573111]

so wait, why are vegans okay with animals eating other animals again?

[Anonymous No.11573116]

>>11573083
>However, if they get their way on one thing of their choice, I should be able to make choices in their lifestyles too - right?
No, because you are wrong and I am right (not talking about veganism here, in general).

I should be able to control your entire life, you shouldn't be able to stop me. Alas, the world isn't just.

[Anonymous No.11573124]

>>11572460
This, who cares?

[Anonymous No.11573127]

>>11573102
>I can choose to be a horrible person so I will!!
So cool

[Anonymous No.11573132]

>>11573106
How about a dumpster full of aborted fetus's and footage of fetus's of the same age moving inside their mothers.

[Anonymous No.11573137]

>>11573124
People with capable mental falculties

[Anonymous No.11573140]

>>11573111
...'cuz cats are cute?

[Anonymous No.11573144]

>>11573106
>dont eat meat because its the result of this brutal torture and death

>dont go to a hospital because babies cry and old people die

Powerful

[Anonymous No.11573145]

>>11573050
All of these are wrong tho.

[Anonymous No.11573149]

>>11573145
Name one and explain.

[Anonymous No.11573153]

>>11573059
Well I am accusing it of of being part of the intersectional clusterfuck, so it's only natural to describe it in the terms and functions of that system.

>>11573061
Well I'm just dreadfully tired of the whole rot that is modern society, so I'm not going to bother explaining the inherent drives of marxism. You can pretend to not know what the motivating factors are, or maybe your understanding really is that shallow, but I don't care. There is no point in trying to convince you, I'm just dismissive of the disingenuous nature of the OP.

[Anonymous No.11573156]

>>11573111
I don’t ever recall saying I was okay with it, you seem to like putting us on the same standards as animals don’t you? Interesting...

[Anonymous No.11573162]

>>11573153
>intersectionalism is okay when ITS ME
Bahahahahaha. You are such a disingenuous cuck

[Anonymous No.11573171]

>>11573156
a simple "I'm not" would've sufficed

[Anonymous No.11573173]

>>11573144
If you've actually spent a lot of time in a hospital you'd know how to the layman a lot of that stuff would look brutal raw and unvarnished and taken out if context.

I mean if you don't believe me there's actually anti medicine YouTube videos out there that do this

[Anonymous No.11573177]

All you lower level vegans need to get out. /truevegans/ don't need to eat at all.

[Anonymous No.11573186]

>>11573083
No, you’re misunderstanding. I wasn’t saying that a vegan is justified in forcing you to change your life. Im saying a vegan is justified in WANTING to change your life (if they genuinely believe you’re causing mass murder). Those are two different things.

[Anonymous No.11573196]

>>11573153
m8, your argument is terrible. You can’t state that veganism is a political ideology and then defend that statement by saying that veganism is a political ideology.

[Anonymous No.11573201]

>>11573162
See how correct I am. This guy agrees with me and he barely understands english at all!

[Anonymous No.11573204]

>>11573124
BASED Kelly!

[Anonymous No.11573221]

>>11573173
I think it’s safe to assume that factory farm animal videos aren’t taken out of context. It’s something that the industry literally admits to, e.g. macerating 270 million baby chicks a year via blender. In response to this footage, they don’t dispute the validity of the documentary. They say it’s a fluke or, worse, they say that “we’re not a five star animal resort.”

Your example isn’t analogous.

[Anonymous No.11573225]

>>11573201
Yikes @ this failed zinger

[Anonymous No.11573230]

because it's not illegal

[Anonymous No.11573236]

>>11573204
He certainly is

[Anonymous No.11573252]

>>11573132
Throw 'em on the grill.

I'd try human if I were certain I could get away with it. Not brains, though.
Don't want that Kuru shit.

[Anonymous No.11573261]

>>11573230
Breathing was just made illegal

[Anonymous No.11573264]

>>11572392
Vegan food isn’t tasty.

[Anonymous No.11573267]

>>11573127
I don't give a shit about the small brain opinion of people on this Vietnamese paper scrolling website

[Anonymous No.11573268]

>>11573236
>brutal mass murderer goes out of business
so tragic

[Anonymous No.11573272]

>>11573230
so was slavery

[Anonymous No.11573274]

>>11573149
Not that guy but the gorilla part is wrong...
Gorillas can and do eat meat but PREFER the herbivore diet.

[Anonymous No.11573285]

>>11573272
but then made illegal

[Anonymous No.11573286]

>>11573153
OK, Pol Pot.

[Anonymous No.11573290]

>>11573236
Kek is this ironic? Fuck, this is the perfect retarded boomer fuel

[Anonymous No.11573310]

>>11573153
>I’m not going to bother explaining the inherent drives of marxism
Anon... are you retarded? Your entire debate is whether or not veganism is a variant of Marxism. You can’t assume the conclusion in your answer

[Anonymous No.11573320]

I understand that killing animals is unethical, but I don’t see what the problem is with animal products, assuming it’s obtained in the most humane way.
It’s almost like how we get treated by the government, in a way.

[Anonymous No.11573330]

>>11573196
Then let me try again.

Veganism is a political ideology because vegans are ideologues, just like LGBT activists, Tranny activists, BLM activists, Illegal Immigrant activists, Environmentalists, and all the other special interest groups that seek either increased consolidation and scope of state power, or a weakening of some institution that provides non-state based societal stability. For vegans it's attacking a major source of food that supports a larger population than is desired by them that seek power. (Not that any vegan would admit it)

[Anonymous No.11573338]

>>11573320
I agree with this; I think the issue most have with animal products is in the way they’re (‘they’ typically being cheese and milk) obtained within the factory farming system (animals inhumanely treated). It’s why I’m vegetarian; I buy local eggs because why the hell not?

[Anonymous No.11573339]

>>11573177
lol

Like the Breatharian Yogi from Tosh.O.

[Anonymous No.11573342]

>>11573330
>when do I intersectionalism its fair!!!

[Anonymous No.11573355]

>>11573149
The environmentalism one is a mess
>between 18 and 51% of carbon emissions are from livestock

Well which is it? That's waaaay too much of a statistical margin to be used as reliable data

>responsible for 90% of Amazon rain forest losses
So no meat no emerging Brazilian economy that wants to make use of fertile soil? Its a very large leap to make that Brazil wouldn't just plant more sugarcane, corn, or soy the latter of the three would be very valuable commodities in a vegan economy

>34 trillion gallons of fresh water consumed

The only way to arrive at this number is to include all of the water used in grain farming which wouldn't end because no livestock and probably then some from other sources, but because they didn't site it its hard to say exactly where else they're stat padding.

The conclusions they draw from these flawed premises are likewise flawed. Upon reading the other sections I can see how they get to some of their claims about water usage and it comes from a common logical flaw I've seen other vegans make. Under the vegans kill animals too category it says

>since many more plants are required to produce a measure of animal flesh for food (often as high as 12:1) than are required to produce an equal measure of plants for food (which is obviously 1:1).

Which I mean a measure, what's a measure flesh or food? I would say the measure is flesh so lets stick with, apparently it takes 12 units of vegetation to make 1 unit of animal protein, okay (how they derived at this average across all species i don't know but lets go with it) by that logic we should be comparing the number of units of vegetation it would take a human to grow that unit of flesh on itself. They don't mention that ratio because I'm sure ratio to ratio its not a very useful to their cause because humans cannot turn vegetation into flesh as efficiently as animals. I'm not saying we can't I'm just saying that cows, pigs, and chickens are better at it.

[Anonymous No.11573362]

>>11573338
Dairy and egg industries still kill or sell animals for slaughter. Inhumane treatment of the animals all around. Male calves are ripped away from mothers for veal, male chicks are thrown in a grinder, the animals are artificially inseminated, pumped with tinker toy hormones, live in awful conditions, and eventually brutality killed once their use is deemed useless

[Anonymous No.11573378]

>>11573310
See >>11573342.
He believes it's part of modern marxism.

[Anonymous No.11573393]

>>11573268
>murderer
But there were no murders.

[Anonymous No.11573394]

>>11573362
But in a perfect world where killing animals is not even a consideration and are treated in the most humane way, how would obtaining animal products result in net harm?

[Anonymous No.11573422]

>>11573330
"Politics is the art of controlling your environment."
-- Hunter S. Thompson

[Anonymous No.11573424]

>>11573330
Okay, let’s break this up (again!)
Question: How is veganism a political ideology?
Answer:
>1. Vegans are ideologues (‘idealogue’ = “an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology”)
Sure, they susbscribe to an ideology, though not necessarily a political one.
>2. Vegans are just like X
Not an argument
>3. Vegans seek a weakening of some institution that provides non-state sustained social stability
They seek the weakening of a PARTICULAR non-state industry: factory farming systems. They do not necessarily seek this because factory farms are non-state. In fact, that’s a complete assumption (a nonsensical one, considering that vegans are pretty up-front about their reasons for disliking factory farms (hint: it isn’t because they’re non-state)). Again, this is baseless.
4. Vegans attack factory farms to gain power
Baseless assumption.

Your ‘arguments’ are just you restating your opinions about vegans whilst implementing your own self-invented motivations. Get the hell out of here.

[Anonymous No.11573429]

>>11573355
>So no meat no emerging Brazilian economy that wants to make use of fertile soil?
Uhhh yeah? Is the only solution for an economy, meat? The point isn’t whether or not they would replace it but that 90% of the deforestation is beef driven. Amazon deforestation is overwhelmingly not a good thing but if you had to replacing it with crops is relatively more environmentally friendly and ethical

>The only way to arrive at this number is to include all of the water used in grain farming
Cows need to eat, but how about instead of growing grains to feed a cow, we just eat the grains or repurpose the land for other crops?

Not the other anon btw. But I do agree the site is pretty rudimentary and poorly cited especially for convenience

[Anonymous No.11573432]

>>11572392

[Anonymous No.11573442]

>>11572408
>using - instead of >

[Anonymous No.11573458]

>>11573221
Doctors admit to violently and vainly attempting to resuscitate elderly patients already on deaths door suffering from chronic diseases that will inevitably kill them. And not just a few isolated incidents but by the thousands. They literally legally have to break your ribs and force your lungs to try and save your oxygen deprived brain from shutting all the way down. Its a terrible thing to watch and even worse to experience. In fact a recent study found that there was a higher rate of "do not resuscitate" orders on the wills of hospital doctors than any other profession.

Its easy to take a thing, focus on a part of it and make the whole thing look bad.

[Anonymous No.11573485]

>>11573394
Assuming you’re just milking a cow that’s lactating that needs to be milked and taking it if it doesn’t have calves to feed, none of the veal and bad conditions caveats etc. I don’t see too much of an issue with it at face value. Eggs are a little trickier, even if the chicken is laying eggs at its own accord and freedom, there’s definitely an ethical consideration as to take a potential spawn of it.
Nonetheless dairy and egg industries are overwhelmingly not this utopian scenario

[Anonymous No.11573491]

>>11573442
Sweetie this is 4CHANNEL. Greentext is for the drumpfets at 4chan

[Anonymous No.11573495]

>>11573485
Don't forget most rennet (unless explicitly labeled "vegetarian rennet") comes from the stomachs of slaughtered calves

[Anonymous No.11573496]

>>11573485
It was just a hypothetical, although it could technically exist if you did the whole backyard farming thing

[Anonymous No.11573498]

>>11572675
you type like an absolute actual faggot

[Anonymous No.11573510]

>>11573458
So what part of a slaughterhouse is equivalent to saving someone’s life at a hospital?

[Anonymous No.11573514]

>>11572473
Call me when animals are able to take over the world and conquer us. If not, they are below us

[Anonymous No.11573516]

>>11573458
Yeah I guess that’s analogous to the factory farming system; they’re really just trying to keep all those animals alive, but they just keep fucking it up!

Stop being retarded anon. Hospitals and slaughterhouses are not analogous. Violence and torture in a hospital is repulsive in that it’s adverse to the hospital’s purpose; violence and torture in the factory farming system is repulsive in that it’s complicit with the factory’s purpose.

[Anonymous No.11573524]

>>11572675
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[Anonymous No.11573525]

>>11572530
The environment is saved when population is regulated

[Anonymous No.11573557]

>>11573429
My point is that what Brazil does with this land is anybody's guess but I can guarantee unless the world pays them to not cut rainforest down and repurpose it for other capital gains its inevitable they will and the implication that livestock is responsible for Brazil being a burgeoning economy wanting to utilize its raw resources is preposterous.

And as far as cows needing to eat I agree but so do humans so the question becomes can we turn crops into flesh as easily as ruminate herbivores? Well no, we can't. Can we turn all of the range land cattle use into row crops, well no we can't really do that either for a myriad of reasons, but even if we could ought we? Well if the number of manmade dust bowls from intensive row cropping has proven anything its that we probably need to be very careful about the percentage of land we till under and how that affects the environment as a whole. Rangeland roots hold top soil down in poor weather and provide carbon sequestration. Tilled not only soil flies away but also releases carbon into the atmosphere every time last year's crop is uprooted and tilled under. To really solve some of these pollution issues via agriculture it will take a much more holistic and traditional approach than many vegans realize.

[Anonymous No.11573573]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

so much for being the "ultimate superior choice"

[Anonymous No.11573586]

>>11573116
>>11573524
>>11573498
>>11573186
And this is why if you dumb fucks get a job, you work for me, because you're brain doesnt function as it should...and that's fine, we accept retards with open arms now...
Mine is a Colt 5.56 with stock sights, but it's ok...you got a blue ribbon in the retard Olympics run, so I'll spot you a minute...but just one...
The only thing better than watching a vegan retard eat it's own words, is actually eating the fucking retard vegan for being such a fucking retard...
And you tards, you win...

[Anonymous No.11573593]

>>11573586
So this is the power of the carnivore...

[Anonymous No.11573614]

>>11573593
No...the power is in not giving a fuck either way...

[Anonymous No.11573624]

>>11573586
>you're brain doesnt function
Every time

[Anonymous No.11573640]

>>11573586
>>11573614
Are you real? You literally just BAWWW'd about how much you hate vegans and even threw identity politics into the mix, then turn around and say you don't care? I doubt someone as incompetent as you is in any position to hire even the most retarded of people.

BTW: not even vegan nor was I in this conversation beforehand, I just observe you acting a fool.

[Anonymous No.11573644]

>>11573557
The assumption is that they are already. Stopping them from doing it is or assuming they wont do it again after stopping is unlikely, yes, but that’s not the point as to that they are doing it

>can we turn crops into flesh as easily as ruminate herbivores?
Do you mean eating food from plants? Then yes we do, obviously not every crop fed to cows like the corn they eat is plausible for humans to eat but this is why something else is grown.

>Can we turn all of the range land cattle use into row crops
Well it’s not just the land they reside but the land that food is grown for them. And yes we can do this

>ought we
Yes. And you’re making a presumption that cows grazing is inherently beneficial for all land. If you’re worried about crops and the environment you’d be worried about increased soil and water acidification which in turn leads to diminishing crop yields, quantity and quality wise with a large contributor being livestock emissions and the massive pollution they emit and contribute. The solution to solving agricultural problems is to ditch the tradition and to do something substantial

[Anonymous No.11573656]

>>11573624
Thanks for providing another example...I mean, it's not your fault your mom was an alcohol while pregnant with you, and you being not really here...
Thats why we let downies get a high skool diploma...make em feel special...
>you feel special there scrawny chimplet? Able to get you're body out of bed to shit, or are you on the vegan night nappy brigade?

[Anonymous No.11573663]

>>11573640
You best read it again...you seemed to have missed some shit...

[Anonymous No.11573689]

>>11573424
I'm not going to pretend veganism isn't an extension of the radical animal rights movement. Nor am I going to ignore the association vegans have with communism.
What group of vegans would accept a pro-capitalism suggestion from a member?

Vegetarian is a diet, and there have been vegetarian non-leftists, just like there are gay conservatives, but you can't be a vegan nor an LGBT activist and be not-a-communist.

>Get the hell out of here.
I prefer pointing out the (((trick))) and watching the hysterical shrieking.

[Anonymous No.11573690]

>>11572392
because i like eating chicken and don't particularly care about how brainlet birds who've already been fucked evolutionarily by humans beyond recognition are treated

[Anonymous No.11573691]

>>11573656
im on the vegan night nappy brigade...

[Anonymous No.11573702]

>>11573691
God speed anon...

[Anonymous No.11573716]

>>11573689
>you can't be a vegan nor an LGBT activist and be not-a-communist
I’d ask you to prove this point (or at least provide some obscure rationale), but I think we’ve already seen where that leads...

It was fun eviscerating your ‘arguments’ anon, have a nice night

[Anonymous No.11573745]

>>11573442
>>I’m

>+too afraid to confront reality
>+am easily manipulated by pseudoscience
>+insecure about my identity so much that not >eating meat threatens it
>+don’t care about my health
>+don’t care about the environment
>+don’t care about anything but gluttonous >pursuits
>+get aroused by phallic vegetables

I think that about it covers it, huh?

[Anonymous No.11573752]

>>11573557
Overgrazing caused as much trouble as poor soil management, 70% of the Dustbowl was range land. Tooele vallye had a mini-version of the Dustbowl and was completely caused by overgrazing.

[Anonymous No.11573783]

>>11573022
>plants have emotions, nervous systems similar to humans

[Anonymous No.11573791]

>>11573644
Most beef cattle spend at least 3/4 of their life on open range land which is a natural self sustaining ecosystem even if they're grain finished. I'm curious which specific crops you'd replace it with. I'm curious which crops you'd replace it with, what the amount of caloric yield per acre would be, and the how much carbon this would sequester. Many pro vegan models do not take in the carbon sequestration of permanent grass land into consideration at all in their calculations.

I also do not consider the current methodology to be traditional because its only been like this since about the 1950s and gotten worse every year.

[Anonymous No.11573798]

>>11572408
>too afraid to confront reality
The reality is veganism is malnutrition
>am easily manipulated by pseudoscience
I guess it's pseudoscience that you can't get Vitimins A, D, and B12 without animal products
>don’t care about my health
Enjoy your rotting teeth and vitimin deficiency, along with unhealthy levels of low muscle mass
>don’t care about the environment
Going vegetarian isn't good for the environment, all those avocado orchards gottah go somewhere
>don’t care about anything but gluttonous pursuits
I care about not being a malnourished mentally ill twink and actually having muscle mass
>get aroused by phallic vegetables
projection much?

[Anonymous No.11573802]

>>11573586
Huh?

[Anonymous No.11573807]

>>11572530
>muh environment
stop letting importing 3rd worlders and propping up their countries with aid leading to unsustainable growth.

[Anonymous No.11573820]

>>11573798
>I care about not being a malnourished mentally ill twink and actually having muscle mass
this guy says hello

[Anonymous No.11573871]

>>11573156
Are you putting animals to the standards of humans? Because your post implies that you aren't okay with a lion kiling a zebra. Of course your post is nothing but weasel words and strawmen. And I thought humans were animals? If humans are animals and have equal worth as animals, then the same code that animals live buy would be applicable to humans thus not morally incorrect to eat meat. If Humans are not animals then we are of more value than them and out lives and nutrition are more important than theirs.

[Anonymous No.11573885]

>>11573355
Checked and based post

[Anonymous No.11573901]

>>11573798
>you can’t get vitamin D without animal products
Is the sun an animal product

[Anonymous No.11573906]

>>11573820
>i want to eat unhealthy shit because I'm too retarded to eat healthy
Enjoy the malnutrition meatcuck

[Anonymous No.11573909]

>>11573798
You get Vitamin A from vegetables you stupid fucking brainlet...

[Anonymous No.11573924]

>>11573798
>I guess it's pseudoscience that you can't get Vitimins A, D, and B12 without animal products
Yeah, that’s pseudoscience. The only one of those vitamins you can’t naturally get somewhere else (not sure why you even included vitamin A since it’s obtained from vegetables (I assume you’re just retarded)) is vitamin B12, a vitamin that is that is present in plenty of fortified foods (Cheerios).

[Anonymous No.11573925]

>>11573906
I think you're replying to the wrong guy

[Anonymous No.11573934]

>>11573820
>mentally unstable DYEL who talks about killing babies and threatins to kill meat eaters
>thinking that he has any real size in the first place
He's been training for ten years, he's 6"3 and only 180 lbs, and is top squat is 205. I've 5"8 and I can squat 200 and I've only been lifting for two months.

[Anonymous No.11573939]

>>11573934
>I’m 5"8
Kek

[Anonymous No.11573955]

>>11573820
Damn, steroids are a hell of a drug.
Think of how big he would be if he ate a proper diet.

And is a psychopath really the best example of not having a mental illness?

[Anonymous No.11573967]

>>11573791
>natural self sustaining ecosystem
The cattle isn't breatharian. They take out nutrients which is not returned to the rangeland soil. It's not exactly a soil rich in primary mineral deposits to replenish what's taken out. That's partly why rangeland cattle is frequently mineral deficient nowadays :

http://www.appliedreprostrategies.com/2017/proceedings/Arthington_John.pdf

Rangeland soil is going to shit too, just slower. It's economically feasible to put new primary minerals in cropland though, rangeland not so much.

[Anonymous No.11573973]

>>11573955
https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19535559/vegan-bodybuilders-instagram/
>inb4 you don’t engage with the material because you assume the content based on the title, site, preconceived opinions, etc

[Anonymous No.11573982]

>>11573716
Your relationship with reality is better than expected. Good night.

>eviscerating your ‘arguments’
If that's what you call categorizing my assertions with your own assertions is.
I am confident in normal people's ability to see the connections.

[Anonymous No.11573989]

>>11572392
I'm not vegan but I'm working towards being mostly vegan. My goal is for my home cooked meals (which is 90% of my food) to be vegan. I don't aim to be completely vegan ever because for me it's not about following a specific "rule" but minimizing my use of animal products where possible. And In particular I don't want to commit to something that's so hard that I give up.

Since I work out and want a lot of protein, I'm consuming a lot of brown rice protein and pea protein. I'm mostly avoiding soy but I discovered some pea protein based burgers that are ok. Any advice from vegans who lift weights would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.11573997]

>>11573901
You can't get nearly the required amount of vitimin D "specifically D3" from the sun. Enjoy your deficiency.

>>11573906
>I deprive myself of nutrients for a feeling of moral superiority

>>11573924
You can't get B12 from a non animal source, so if you are consuming B12 it's from an animal and not vegan. The only way you are getting vitamin D other than through an animal product is through literally standing in the sun.

And fortified foods are not a reliable source of these nutrients, and often contain lanolin which is an animal product. Also cheeros aren't vegan you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11573999]

>>11572392
Because vegans are faggots and I'm not. And animals are delicious. That's about it.

[Anonymous No.11574005]

>>11573989
>And In particular I don't want to commit to something that's so hard that I give up.
We are very similar people. I’m doing almost exactly the same; I take plant-based protein powder (or-gain I think it’s called?) twice on the days that I workout. You can obviously go vegan, workout, and NOT eat processed protein powder, but it’s easier for me that way.

[Anonymous No.11574010]

>>11573939
Blame my Italian genetics. I'm actually the tallest in my family.

[Anonymous No.11574014]

>>11572476
>souls
lol

[Anonymous No.11574023]

>>11573997
>tfw vegetarian who only consumes local eggs/dairy
Fuck it feels good.

[Anonymous No.11574025]

>>11573934
>205
Lmao I hit 350 lbs squat in high school
>>11573967
You can put mineral salt licks out really easily and the cattle won't be deficient. Native grasses, which is what the cows consume don't deplete the soil.

[Anonymous No.11574031]

>>11574005
I've been mixing 1/3 naked brown rice protein and 2/3 naked pea protein. My only concern is the rice protein may contain a lot of oxalates, it certainly has a gritty taste that is reminiscent of oxalate heavy foods like spinach. I don't have a history of kidney stones, but I'm trying to be careful anyway.

I've also been baking bread with 120g bread flour, and 20g pea protein/brown rice protein blend. The interesting thing is this has no gritty texture, I assume because the oxalates dissolve as the bread ferments overnight.

[Anonymous No.11574043]

>>11574031
>I've also been baking bread with 120g bread flour, and 20g pea protein/brown rice protein blend. The interesting thing is this has no gritty texture, I assume because the oxalates dissolve as the bread ferments overnight.
This sounds brilliant, how’s it taste? Add anything special to it?

[Anonymous No.11574044]

>>11573997
Yes, just your face and hands in the sun for half an hour will produce more vitamin D than from almost any dietary source. You'd have to eat a pound of fatty fish a day to compete. Almost every other animal product has pitiful amounts.

You can drink cod liver oil I guess if you are desperate for vitamin A poisoning.

[Anonymous No.11574060]

>>11574025
>Native grasses, which is what the cows consume don't deplete the soil.
They don't deplete the soil if they return to it. If they get eaten by cows, who get eaten by us and for which the minerals get subsequently flushed into the oceans then they do.

It's not a closed cycle on human timescales. Rangeland soil will have to regain its minerals on geological timescales.

[Anonymous No.11574062]

>>11573997
Go outside dingus

[Anonymous No.11574104]

>>11574044
>>11574062
>what is winter
>what is living in a cold northern climate with substantially less sun exposure
>even when outside in a sunny enough climate you are putting yourself at risk of skin cancer in order to get amounts of vitamin D you would get in fish and is not recommended by doctors to use this method.

[Anonymous No.11574111]

>>11574104
>d-doctors won’t let me go outside!!
One of the most pathetic things I’ve seen on 4channel

[Anonymous No.11574112]

>>11572392
Based vegan op

[Anonymous No.11574130]

>>11574111
Going outside and standing shirtless t-posing at the sun for an hour are different things. Also still ignoring winter and northern cold climates. You need diet to supplement yourself, it's why fish was an integral part of northern European and Scandinavian diet because without it they would be deficient.

[Anonymous No.11574133]

>>11574043
Last batch I made was really good, the flavor and texture was great. But it was ad hoc (some time rising in fridge, then rising in cupboard, then a second rise after forming the loaf) so I need to find something repeatable. I'm using the same ingredients now but rising overnight, and plan to bake in the morning after a quick second rise.

The recipe is 120g bread flour, 20g pea protein/brown rice protein blend, 1/2 tsp quick rise yeast, 1/8 tsp salt, approx. 1/3 cup hot water. If it works I'll post the recipe as a thread.

[Anonymous No.11574172]

>>11574130
Fish is an integral part of Northern European and Scandinavian diet because they’re coastal countries with immense access to the ocean. Panama consumes a lot of fish, and it has nothing to do with a vitamin D deficiency. Truth be told, getting vitamin D from your food is actually much less efficient. No, you don’t need to “T-pose”. Just go outside and let your face/hands get some sun for a while. Go do some yardwork. That’s all you need to do.

[Anonymous No.11574194]

>>11574104
That doesn't change the fact that in non fish animal products there is negligible Vitamin D.

If you want to take 2000 IU of Vitamin D a day the solution is almost always going to be supplements, not diet. Vegan or not is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11574274]

>>11574172
Again I reiterate to you, you can't get the necessary amounts of vitimin D you need in cold northern climates by simply being outside. This also true for many temperate areas during the winter. The amount of vitimin D you can get from sun exposure is dependent on your climate, geography, season, race, sea level.
Without fish in Northern European Diets they would have not gotten enough vitamin D. Simply getting enough sun isn't viable as a sole source of vitamin D. It is necessary that you get out as much as you can, but it's not enough, and doing yard work is not enough. To get enough vitamin D on sun alone you would need to be in a warmer southern climate without a shirt. A big problem in sweden and other northern Scandinavian countries for black people is that because of the lack of sunlight and they pigmentation of their skin they are incredibly deficient in vitimin D, and they need to take supplements along with adding a lot of fish to their diet.

>>11574194
That's why you eat fish and/or take fish oil supplements.

[Anonymous No.11574285]

>>11574274
Fish oil doesn't have vitamin D. Cod liver oil does, but as I said it's Vitamin A poisoning in a bottle.

[Anonymous No.11574324]

>>11574274
>To get enough vitamin D on sun alone you would need to be in a warmer southern climate without a shirt.
This is not true. You can keep your shirt on. Though, a nice tan isn’t a bad thing.
> they need to take supplements along with adding a lot of fish to their diet
Surely, then, a Scandinavian vegan can just take supplements? If you can’t get enough vitamin D from animal diet + sun (during a Scandinavian winter), I don’t really get your argument (which, I presume, was: you need sunlight AND animal products to get enough vitamin D). Yet, in your example, that STILL wasn’t enough (the subjects needed additional supplements). Thus, if supplements are needed anyway, I see no issue with a vegan opting for supplements + sun rather than supplements + sun + animal.

[Anonymous No.11574452]

>>11572392
Because I like meat and get satisfaction from hunting it myself. I also grow my own herbs, forage, and have a few fruit trees. When I want vegetables I go to farmers markets and also get most of my dairy from a small local farm. I leave a smaller impact on the environment than you ever will.

[Anonymous No.11574457]

>>11572392
Meat taste good. I do not care if my support of alternative consumption helps put the environmentally-harming industry out of business. It tastes good, I'm gonna eat it.
By the time the environment is fucked by all this, I'll be dead and I have no children.

[Anonymous No.11574565]

>>11574457
so what about lab grown meat

[Anonymous No.11574620]

>>11572408

[Anonymous No.11574793]

>>11574324
The one I use does. But double checking the label it's fish oil + vitamin D

>>11574324
>Surely, then, a Scandinavian vegan can just take supplements?

Vitimin D supplements are still an animal byproduct. You have to get them from animals. D2 can be obtained from non-animal products but it's not the natural vitamin that Humans produce, and D2 is not nearly as potent as D3.

>If you can’t get enough vitamin D from animal diet + sun (during a Scandinavian winter), I don’t really get your argument (which, I presume, was: you need sunlight AND animal products to get enough vitamin D). Yet, in your example, that STILL wasn’t enough (the subjects needed additional supplements).

My example isn't just exclusive towards Scandinavian winters, but many other areas. Northern US, winters in general for northern climates, and Scandinavia in general. The reason why supplements are needed in addition to animal diet is due to the extreme lack of vitamin D from the sun due to the region and skin pigmentation of the subject.. A native Scandinavian with a lighter skin tone doesn't need supplements in addition to what they get from their diet. A supplement is just that, a supplement, not a replacement. It's delusional to believe that a supplement can replace diet. Try and be a black person in Scandinavia and get all of your vitamin D from D2 supplements and you'll still be deficient.

[Anonymous No.11574900]

>>11572392
There's no reason, moral, ethical, practical, medical, for me to be vegan.

[Anonymous No.11574937]

>>11574900
there are genuine arguments to be made regarding the medical and nutritional downsides of veganism, but ethics is where things start to get dicey

[Anonymous No.11575093]

Eating meat is the only way to reverse climate change and desertification. We need more herds of sheep, goat and cattle eating grass and shitting on the ground.

https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI

Battery farming though is clearly bad for the environment and has to go. We'll have to go back to pastoral nomadism for livestock and we need to incorporate more goat and mutton into the western diet. We should still eat a lot less meat overall if it can't be factory farmed and that's fine because peas and lentils are the best.

[Anonymous No.11575114]

>>11574793
https://www.cytoplan.co.uk/high-potency-vegan-vitamin-d3-wholefood

[Anonymous No.11575117]

I hate most livestock due to being raised on a farm and knowing some died to make my food increases my enjoyment. If goose blood was a good dressing I'd eat more salad, though.

[Anonymous No.11575187]

>>11572501
Rasing cows takes crazy amounts of land and water and their farts are global warming contributors.
It would also be cheaper to farm plants and plants feed more.

[Anonymous No.11575190]

>>11572545
You wont be finding life when earth is unlivable due to global warming and pollution.

[Anonymous No.11575327]

Until we get Star Trek protein resequencers so I can eat my own shit recombinated into a steak endlessly I will continue to eat delicious, delicious animals. There are plenty of arguements as to why vegans are wrong, bad, and gay but I don't really care - meat is tasty.

[Anonymous No.11575629]

>>11575187
rice fields emit far more CO2 and methane than cows. and also use more land and water.

[Anonymous No.11575773]

>>11575190
That will never happen. Sure, climate change is real and it may be rather harsh on particular segments of modern human society but if archaeology shows us anything it's that life does just fine under a variety of climates on earth much hotter much colder whatever. Unless an asteroid knocks us out of our current orbit life in general isn't going anywhere any time soon.

[Anonymous No.11575831]

>>11573820
that twink definitely looks like a bottom

[Anonymous No.11575875]

>>11575629
Rice emits a lot of methane but do you have anything to show for land, C02, and water?

[Anonymous No.11575886]

>>11573871
>asks why animals aren’t held to the same standards

>gets a refutation

>its YOU doing it!!

Carnists

>If humans are animals and have equal worth as animals,
Strawman. You literally cannot argue shit unless you’ve already made up the person’s argument for them

[Anonymous No.11575898]

>>11575327
Well I just know someone that really likes raping the mentally handicapped I hope you hold the same convictions towards their beliefs you fat sack of shit

[Anonymous No.11575912]

>>11572530
I already missed out on the first one so I can't afford to miss this holocaust

[Anonymous No.11576091]

These are my reasons/terms:
>I like animals but I don't like all animals enough to justify such a restricted diet
>I like the taste of meat and meat products
>I'd be willing if lab grown meat was as affordable as regular meat
>Lack of variety in meals becomes an issue

I plan to cut back on meat soon and try to switch to most seafood, but I don't think I could cut out seafood and eggs unless lab based stuff becomes realistic.

[Anonymous No.11576203]

>>11572609
This is the closest a video got me to making the leap to vegetarian but im still not sure I'd pull through with it.

[Anonymous No.11576337]

>>11575898
what a sad piece of shit you are insults instead of arguments and logic

[Anonymous No.11576339]

>>11576203
It’s easier than you think, especially after trying a few times. Vegan is absurdly difficult but vegetarianism is very conceivable

[Anonymous No.11576342]

>>11576091
You don't >memearrows and start with "i", the > is the "i", it's implied

[Anonymous No.11576359]

>>11576342

[Anonymous No.11576366]

>>11576359
It’s true, even if it’s autistic to point it out. The subject is implicit in greentexting
>genuinely doesn’t understand this
See? The ‘he’ is implied

[Anonymous No.11576371]

>>11572392
Because it's counterproductive to my own health to cut out some of the most bioavailable sources of many vital nutrients.

Also, it's entirely possible to eat meat without participating in the horrors of factory farming so I see no need to go vegan at all.

As more minor reasons:
-meat tastes delicious
-I don't want to be associated with vegan whackjobs
-I love hunting and fishing.

By the way, industrial agriculture is just as bad as CAFE meat is. I think a far more sane thing is to avoid industrialization as opposed to meat. In additon to hunting and fishing, I also keep chickens, a pig, and a large garden (I live on 4 acres).

I am not a vegan but I suspect my environmental footprint is far lower than that of most vegans.

[Anonymous No.11576424]

>>11572408
Trash teir bait only complete retards would fall for

[Anonymous No.11576444]

BUNCH OF BREAD AND CIRCUS ADDLED GARBOVORES... GRAIN-STUFFED SHEEPLE... I CAN SMELL YOUR ROTTING PLANT STINK THROUGH THE GODDAMN SCREEN WITH MY ENHANCED CARNIVOROUS SENSES. IT'S SLIGHTLY AGGRAVATING.

Basically, I'm a lean mean redpilling machine with efficient keto/gluconeogenic zero carb metabolism, and YOU'RE A BRAINWASHED POOP FACTORY. IT MAKES ME SICK. HERE I AM WAVING THE CURE FOR CANCER RIGHT IN YOUR STUPID FUCKING FACES AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS STARE WIDE EYED AND OPEN MOUTHED SIPPING BIOLOGICALLY WEAPONIZED CARBAGE FROM THE JUDAIC CORPORATE TEAT. FUCK YOU AND YOUR ANTI-LIFE PROPAGANDA. I AM MARGINALLY PERTURBED.

E D U C A T E
Y O U R S E L F

WHY CAN'T THIS STUPID SHITTY BOARD MAKE A U S E F U L MEME LIKE CARNIVORY STICK? WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE MONSTER ENERGY AND MCCHICKENS AND VEGANISM? FUCK YOUR COPYPASTA. I BRING THE MEAT.

I need a steak... Fuck this shit... I'm OUT

[Anonymous No.11576469]

A carnivorous revolution will collapse the cabal and liberate humanity. Every day until you stop eating GARBOhydrates we benevolent carnivores will remind you puny GAR|BOvores that you are living in captivity under chemical assault. The military-industrial-agricultural-pharmaceutical-prison-media-government-academia-religon cabal is a nine-headed hydra. The food is poison. The drugs are poison. Fake news media is mind poison. Eat a steak and wake the fuck up.

The quite literally vampiric (((elite))) class of blood-drinking, human-trafficking, cannibalistic apex predators have been feeding you plant sugars in a twisted human CAFO to keep you malnourished, stupid, docile, and subservient for a very long time. In your sugar-addled delusion, you fight yourselves over nonsense like identity politics even as your very lifeblood and organs are harvested en masse. Ever wonder where all the aborted fetal tissue goes? All those missing children? You guessed it. If only you knew how bad things actually are.

Once you stop consuming plants everything becomes clear. Society is based on a foundation of lies that only serve to enrich the (((elite apex predators))). They and their dynasties have access to the best food, shelter, human resources (slaves) and technology. Religion, an (((ideological leash))) just like feminism or veganism, is one of their oldest and most dangerous WMDs. Through conscious control of the very scope of human thinking and interaction via religious cults and mass media, we remain penned in convenient ideological cages, easily divided and conquered for profit. Awareness is the only solution. This is the final redpill. Take the meatpill today and liberate yourself. Begin to reverse the metabolic damage and live to hunt another day.

[Anonymous No.11576471]

The first Christians who followed the path of Jesus were Vegan

> “And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30

[Anonymous No.11576478]

>>11576471
>The first Christians who followed the path of Jesus were Vegan

ONLY THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIS PATH, SHALL BE LET IN THE GATES OF HEAVEN

“But Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the royal rations of food and wine … Then Daniel asked … ‘Let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink.’ … At the end of ten days it was observed that they appeared better and fatter than all the young men who had been eating the royal rations.” —Daniel 1:8, 11–12, 15

[Anonymous No.11576482]

>>11576478
>ONLY THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIS PATH, SHALL BE LET IN THE GATES OF HEAVEN

“The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent—its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain.” —Isaiah 65:25

[Anonymous No.11576486]

>>11576478

"The morally corrupt who partake in destruction of animals and eating of the flesh shall be repaid with an eternity of flames and sorrow from below."

[Anonymous No.11576487]

>>11576471
Based vegan Christianity poster

[Anonymous No.11576501]

>>11576471
so why do christians eat the body of christ on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.11576511]

>>11576478
>ONLY THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIS PATH, SHALL BE LET IN THE GATES OF HEAVEN

“I will make for you a covenant on that day with the wild animals, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land; and I will make you lie down in safety.” —Hosea 2:18

[Anonymous No.11576514]

>>11576478
>ONLY THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIS PATH, SHALL BE LET IN THE GATES OF HEAVEN

“Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O Lord.” —Psalms 36:6

[Anonymous No.11576515]

>>11576511
>I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land
That one didn't work out too well....

[Anonymous No.11576533]

>>11576478
>ONLY THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIS PATH, SHALL BE LET IN THE GATES OF HEAVEN

>Genesis 1:29
>Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

It is very clear, that right there it says God gave the first people the plants and the trees for food. Some people try to twist this scripture to mean other things, and try to argue that this does not prove people were eating only the fruits and plants. One popular argument is that it was allowing man to eat vegetables as well as meat, but this is wrong. Humans did not meat eat until after the flood. To prove this we need to turn to the 9th chapter of Genesis.

[Anonymous No.11576540]

>>11572473
yes

[Anonymous No.11576573]

>>11576471
>>11576478
>>11576482
>>11576486
>>11576487
>>11576501
>>11576511
>>11576514
>>11576515
>>11576533
>using religion to justify anything
yikes

[Anonymous No.11576633]

>>11576342
You're right and I wont argue it. I just thought a checklist would look silly on here since I never see them. I guess a paragraph would have done.

[Anonymous No.11576844]

>>11573050
>alternatives to animal testing
like what?
last time I checked, there is no alternative if you're hoping to find a cure for cancer or something along those lines

[Anonymous No.11576877]

>>11573586
huh?

[Anonymous No.11576885]

>>11573586
huh?

[Anonymous No.11576907]

And yet this year of gloom, which carried off
So many victims brave and good and beautiful,
Is scarce remembered even
In some simple shepherd’s song
Of sweet and soft lament