/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11428407]

>Meat used to be a rare luxury in the middle ages
How did people avoid being horribly deficient and malnourished back then?

[Anonymous No.11428419]

>>11428407
they didnt

[Anonymous No.11428425]

>>11428419
this

[Anonymous No.11428429]

>>11428407
They ate scraps and tripe

[Anonymous No.11428471]

Meat is not required nor healthy in the human body. Meat is not a natural part of our evolutionary lineage.

[Anonymous No.11428479]

>>11428471
Surprised it took 15 minutes for one of these people to barge in the thread.

[Anonymous No.11428484]

>>11428407
how do you know it used to be a rare luxury? from what I have learned it was readily available, plentiful, and very cheap.

[Anonymous No.11428487]

>>11428479
>implying one of them didn't start the thread

[Anonymous No.11428489]

They didn't live very long

[Anonymous No.11428495]

There's nothing nutritional in meat you can't get elsewhere

[Anonymous No.11428500]

>>11428407
>How did people avoid being horribly deficient and malnourished
They didn't. This was the constant state of almost everyone until capitalism and the modern economy came around

[Anonymous No.11428508]

without meat you cant be healthy and you die young.

[Anonymous No.11428516]

>>11428407
that's a really comfy craftsmanship pic

[Anonymous No.11428521]

Nobody here is going to mention how the Scots had a healthier diet than the modern Amerifat?

Fish, sheep's milk, potatoes, cabbage, and an assortment of wild vegetables.

[Anonymous No.11428528]

>>11428495
>There's nothing nutritional in meat you can't get elsewhere

[Anonymous No.11428530]

>>11428528
Excellent argument

[Anonymous No.11428540]

>>11428484
Maybe post-black death, Weekeepedia says that, before, meat was expensive compared to grain based foods.

If you have a source contrary to this then I'd be interested in learning but it does make sense that, with a large population hogging up much of the land, meat would be more expensive as jobs would pay less, food would increase in price and farming would have to switch to quicker plant based yields rather than livestock.

[Anonymous No.11428546]

7 Nutrients That You Can't Get From Plant Foods

Vitamin B12. Vitamin B12 is an essential nutrient found in virtually no plant foods. ...
Creatine. Creatine is a molecule found in animal foods. ...
Carnosine. Carnosine is an antioxidant that is concentrated in the muscles and brain (33, 34). ...
Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3) ...
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) ...
Heme-iron. ...
Taurine.

[Anonymous No.11428556]

>>11428407
eggs, fish, milk, cheese, meat for special occasions

[Anonymous No.11428560]

>>11428546
>there's only plant foods and meat
Holy yikes

[Anonymous No.11428562]

>>11428407
it wasn't that scarce, they ate it at least on sundays

[Anonymous No.11428564]

>>11428530
There's no point in arguing with dumb ass vegans like you, you fucking hippie. Enjoy undergoing a nutritional deficiency in the name of ignoring your primal instinct's for virtue signaling.

[Anonymous No.11428569]

>>11428540
I'm a fan of old english literature, particularly milton and chaucer and in their stories their characters are eating meat, and it is never considered a luxary or rarity, as they have little to know trouble finding it at roadside inn's and brothels. It's mentioned very casually, and the central characters in these stories are almost always poor and working class, not wealthy. I take that as as good a source as any. I rarely trust wikipedia. I like to listen to the people who were their at the time and a good way to gauge this is by the authors of that time, not some modern 'researcher' who can't put everything in it's proper context and who generally have little to no frame of reference.

[Anonymous No.11428574]

>>11428564
I'm not vegan. Why do you think so black and white?

[Anonymous No.11428584]

While it wasn't super rare, they did definitely have nutrition problems.

Vegetarian and vegan diets are inventions of very modern times, and were not possible in europe until widespread worldwide trade was common practice.

[Anonymous No.11428597]

>>11428540
Meat is still expensive compared to grain and we are able to eat it just fine. Do you think there were many farms without any farm animals? Cows for milk, chicken for eggs, pigs for Christmas, horses for work, sheep for woo and then some hunting of various wild animalsl. When something grown old and weak you eat ut, or if you have a surplus in breeding that you don't want to waste food on raising.

[Anonymous No.11428600]

>>11428530
B12

[Anonymous No.11428608]

>>11428600
>yogurt
>milk
>cottage cheese
>eggs

[Anonymous No.11428611]

>>11428574
>thinking /pol/dditors have any rational thoughts

[Anonymous No.11428619]

>>11428597
Excuse the spelling mistakes, 9 hour shift taking its toll.

[Anonymous No.11428621]

>>11428569
Aren't authors from back then usually really well off dudes? Doesn't quite make sense that they would know how things are for poor people, well off folks today seem kinda out of touch with that and they have internet access.

also, I looked them up and Milton was born in the 1600s and Chaucer died in 1400, meaning neither experienced how life was like before the plague, Chaucer being either very young or non-existent through it.

[Anonymous No.11428626]

>>11428407
You obly need small amounts of meat to survive, and whenever they got hold of it they ate every part of the animal, instead of eating only muscle. They also ate dairy regularly, so in no way they would be like malnourished vegans

[Anonymous No.11428632]

>>11428407
They were vegan :)

[Anonymous No.11428888]

>>11428407
>>Meat used to be a rare luxury in the middle ages
That's wrong though

[Anonymous No.11428917]

>>11428888
any source on that? My understanding is common people primarily only ate meat on special occasions like religious feasts where the lord would provide it

[Anonymous No.11428950]

>>11428917
Different animals were slaughtered at different times to ensure they'd have meat for most of the year. Why would the lord control meat? Part of a peasant's rights was communal land which would be farmed or left fallow, the fallow lands would often have animals grazing on them. There's artistic depictions that attest to this and tax records from castles which mention how many animals were kept

[Anonymous No.11428990]

>>11428950
My understanding is the livestock was mostly used for secondary products. They slaughtered the for meat when possible but they never had access to enough livestock to be able to slaughter them for routine food use

[Anonymous No.11429010]

>>11428990
It wasn't routine, as in, meat everyday, but it wasn't irregular and certainly not only on holidays. Meat availability really depended on the region. A part of England (I forget exactly where) historically had massive amounts of sheep that were often consumed, but were wiped out during Enclosure and the lands were converted to farms

[Anonymous No.11429037]

>>11428990
>They slaughtered the for meat when possible
Most likely true, kind of how it is in certain parts of the third world where they wait until a animal suffers a major injury before slaughtered it.

[Not a vegan but they're ok by (...) No.11429075]

>>11428407
They sometimes were, but that was true even for meat eaters
>>11428479
Yeah, imagine someone answering the question that the op posed without imposing their carnist agenda
>>11428484
Really depends on where you lived, in the Indus valley a wide variety of foods grew in great abundance, getting your nutritional needs met without meat was not a huge challenge, hence why vegetarian traditions have been popular around that area for thousands of years. Obviously if you lived on a glacier in north Europe, you ate what you could get

[Anonymous No.11429082]

>>11429075
>unironically using the word 'carnist'

[Anonymous No.11429098]

>>11428479
Thank you for the laugh

[Anonymous No.11429108]

>>11429075
>imposing their carnist agenda
If not being a picky eater is "carnist agenda" I guess

[Not a vegan but they're ok by (...) No.11429112]

>>11429082
>unironically confusing "like" with "need"

[Anonymous No.11429115]

>>11428597
There were definitely people who either didn't have access to meat easily or were just so poor they could rarely buy any. It probably mattered a lot exactly where you were living

[Not a vegan but they're ok by (...) No.11429121]

>>11429108
Carnists are some of the pickest eaters I've ever met. You people will individually pluck all the sesame seeds off your McDonalds hamburger bun because the texture triggers your 'tism.

[Anonymous No.11429124]

>>11428521
Why would they mention it? Seems very specific, considering most diets throughout history have been healthier than that of the average American's.

[Anonymous No.11429131]

>>11429112
>taking iron supplements so you can say you don't need meat

[Not a vegan but they're ok by (...) No.11429145]

>>11429131
I think you've got me confused with someone else. I eat sutainable, humanely raised meat from small independent farms on a regular basis, and have no need for iron pills.

But your meat is loaded with supplements already, the idea that, for instance, the B12 in your Johnsonville brats is "naturally occurring" is a carnist delusion.

[Anonymous No.11429172]

There was cheese, eggs, and milk. Also, some sun exposure helped build vitamin D.

Of course, there was good reason to why the commoners were usually much shorter than nobility or why the Norsemen of the viking profession were much taller than the Anglo-Saxons.

I will point out that during the Bronze and Iron Ages of Central Europe, there were a wide variety of forest vegetable and herbs to eat which along with wild animal meat and cow milk helped produce stronger teeth and bones for mainland Celtic and Germanic people. Then widespread agriculture especially monoculture removed much of the forests and destroyed many of the plant species.

[Anonymous No.11429173]

>>11428471
post body

[Anonymous No.11429217]

>>11428471
>Meat is not a natural part of our evolutionary lineage.
We have the dentition for an omnivorous diet, our nearest relatives are omnivores, we have unambiguous palaeontological evidence for cooked meat going back one million years. What part of this is not natural?

[Anonymous No.11429289]

>>11429131
Legumes and Soy products are packed with iron, amongst other foods.

[Anonymous No.11429353]

>>11428471
>Meat is not a natural part of our evolutionary lineage.
Yes, as we all know Ice Age Europeans and steppe hunters sustained themselves entirely off of berries and roots. They were elite vegan bodybuilders that went mammoth-watching for fun.

They say there are parts of Africa where you can just pick fruit off the trees and survive. Boy, I want to go there. I bet they are some great people.

[Anonymous No.11429355]

>>11429121
>ou people will individually pluck all the sesame seeds off your McDonalds hamburger bun
what does that possibly have to do with meat eating?

[Anonymous No.11429485]

They ate lots of dairy
Meat wasn't exceptionally rare even for common folk but if they butchered an animal, they'd eat everything, stock and pottage with bones, sausage with scraps and intestines, lard from the fat and all sorts of offal
>>11429075
>indus
dairy dairy dairy

[Anonymous No.11429532]

>>11428621
Yes, also common folk weren't really roaming all over Europe eating at inns and hanging out in brothels, the whole reason travel is associated with high class people even to this day is that the poor didn't get to do that, they were literally barely scraping by, only people who had property and wealth could get away with leaving home on a horse with a sack of gold coins and visiting random towns in far flung corners of the country

[Anonymous No.11429596]

>>11428419
This.

[Anonymous No.11429611]

>>11429131
Vegans have similar rates of iron deficiency to omnivores

[Anonymous No.11429640]

>>11429611
and are much much more likely to be taking supplements

[Anonymous No.11429753]

>>11428407
They only lived to be 30

[Anonymous No.11429831]

>>11428621
>Aren't authors from back then usually really well off dudes?
Either that or they're financially supported by really well off dudes, so much that they basically live in their mansion and eat at their table.

[Anonymous No.11430504]

>>11428521
you forgot english dick

[Anonymous No.11430531]

>>11428419
Obviously.

[Anonymous No.11430538]

>>11428495
what is vitamin b12

[Anonymous No.11430674]

>>11429289
It's not the same kind of iron, you don't absorb iron from plants as well as heme iron from animal products

[Anonymous No.11430687]

>>11428407
they didn't, avg height all but a few specific places was something like 5-5 for an adult male. Google medieval armor heights

[Anonymous No.11430688]

>>11428471
>>11428530
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fwOAvQfRqU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOQdBLHrLk

[Anonymous No.11430691]

>>11428471
go eat your dinner that my dinner literally shit on

[Anonymous No.11430726]

>>11428407
just a quick reminder that humans only started to cultivate land so they could prepare alcohol more easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fN5109BfLs

[Anonymous No.11430791]

>>11428608
None of those are vegan foods.

[Anonymous No.11430800]

>>11430791
>if you don't eat meat you're vegan

[Anonymous No.11430842]

>>11430800
The general attitude of this thread has been (yet another) argument between normal people and vegans. I apologize if I read the mood wrong.

[Anonymous No.11430876]

>>11428521
Potatoes,
during the middle ages,
I’m glad Leif Erikson brought those back to Scotland for the locals to enjoy.

[Anonymous No.11430902]

>>11428471
>start exercising while also cutting back calories
>ramp up exercise gradually while not counting calories burned
>2 weeks in wake up extraordinarily sore
>literally gravitate towards the fridge to chug choccy milk
>immediately go grab a fuckton of meat for protein

Berrypicker soyboys have the privelege of advanced society to say stupid shit like this. Having any sort of a physical job and being vegetarian or worse a fucking vegan must be akin to a living hell.

[Anonymous No.11430912]

>>11428990
Yes, meat was not an every day thing, but it was readily available. Even doctors today recommend meals with meat 3 days a week, not necessarily every day.

People would hunt back then too. Squirrels, rabbits, fowl, etc etc. It amazes me that people here think everything was bought with money. People were far more apt to live off the land.

[Anonymous No.11430914]

>>11428540
It really depended on were you lived during the middle ages what food you routinely ate.
Judging by the OO’s image, we’re talking about Western Europe.
Fishing was common, so if you lived near the coast, some type of sea fish would likely be a standard part of your diet, at least occasionally.
Clams, Mussels, prawns, and other shellfish would likely have also been routinely eaten n coastal areas.
In inland areas, near streams and rivers, fish would also have been caught and eaten, as would eels. Some estates and monasteries also routinely had ponds or streams specifically set up for farming fish.
Numerous areas also raised or caught small birds like pigeons and doves for food.
In Iberia, certain parts of what is now France, Italy, North Africa, and the Levant, it was common to raise pigeons and have pigeon roosts.
Chickens and other birds were also raised for meat, as were peacocks and swans.
Fishing was extremely common in the Scandinavian countries, as was walrus and seal hunting, and whaling.
In Central and Western Europe, hunting in Forests would have also been common, for small animals like squirrels, large animals like Boars, as well as snaring for birds.
Pigs and cows were routinely raised for food.
Salt during the middle ages was an incredibly important commodity, because in addition to other uses, it was used to preserve meat for the winter or ither periods of low food availability.
Cheese was also common as hell.
People are still finding edible 2,000 + year old cheese in Scottish bogs.

[Anonymous No.11430995]

>>11428621
Chaucer was from a rich family, and was extremely well connected to British arisocracy and royalty.
That said, he also travelled extensively to certain parts of Europe, and would have had knowledge of what poor people ate, thru his travels and some of the tasks he was assigned. His literature indicates this.
As far a taverns go, the individual taverns would vary, but there are enough tales of questionable individuals hanging out at taverns, to indicate poor people would have been in or around them, if only to do work or other tasks in exchange for food or beer.
There were also poor people who travelled by foot on pilgrim routes begging for alms or food, or trying to hook up with a wealthy travel party and trading service for supplies.

[Anonymous No.11431007]

>>11429355
Despite his name, he is a vegan projecting his food autism.

[Anonymous No.11431016]

>>11428917
During medievel times, at least in England, there were religious festival on average every month if not every two weeks or something like that.
Terry Jones did a historical TV series on medievel life that pointed this out.

[Anonymous No.11431030]

>>11428990
Leather was an ultra common use material during medievel times.
You don’t just skin a cow, horse or goat and chuck the meat.
The meat, bones, innards etc. would all get used for food medicine and other materials.
Feasts made for banquets,would also have food left over that would be distributed to the poor.

[Anonymous No.11431036]

>>11430995
Even then, saying that Chaucer knew what working class/poor people from before the great plague ate is like saying that some rich traveller born in the 2000s would know what poor people ate in the 80s but even worse because there was a gigantic shift in all of Western European society with the plague.

also Chaucer's time was at the very curtails of the Medieval ages.

[Anonymous No.11431069]

>>11429532
Poor people in some areas may have stayed in the same place all their lives, but there are plenty of stories of dirt poor travelers including pilgrims and gypsies, who begged for food or alms, or lived off the land, or who traded the occasional tasks for food or coin.
After various plagues, farm workers would travel long distances to pick crops like farm workers do now.

[Anonymous No.11431075]

>>11428540
>his ancestors depended on a merchant to acquire their meat
>none in his family tree hunted nor fished
>his genetic bloodline ends in front of a glowing magical screen, seduced by an illusory enchantress crafted by wizards from the east
(You)

[Anonymous No.11431078]

>>11429753
30 was an average age of death. If a person survived infancy and childhood, they tended to grow very old, unless they worked in certain trades like lead smithing, which tended to have very crappy life expectancies.

[Anonymous No.11431084]

>>11430674
Medievel people routinely cooked in iron pots, which added iron to the meals made in them.

[Anonymous No.11431112]

>>11431036
Rich people nowadays have to travel around, and sometimes there’s no choice but to stay at an ultra shity motel, and eat at Waffle House, or places that cater to people too poor to eat at Waffle House.
If you look up Chaucers history, it’s quite possible he was involved in spook stuff during his time period, and that can introduce rich well connected people to the poor and dregs of society.

[Anonymous No.11431923]

>>11431075
>hunting in the middle ages
You mean poaching? The thing that gets you killed or handless back then?

[Anonymous No.11431971]

>>11428407
Fish was common poor food back in the day, because back then the sea's supply was basically infinite compared to the population.

Also meat wasn't a rare luxury, it was more of a mild luxury. Like for a poor person today going out to eat might not be a daily thing, but they are still able to do it with some degree of regularity. Everyone was a farmer so it's not like they didn't have plenty of chickens and other location dependent livestock.

So between fish and a smaller amount of landmeat, most medieval people were probably eating meat on a regular basis, but obviously a much smaller amount than modern people. But Amerilards love to read history and go "omg people werent able to eat pounds upon pounds of meat every day??? how horrible!".

[Anonymous No.11431986]

It's very very sad that this thread has a better grasp of history and source analysis than /his/...

[Anonymous No.11432008]

I love how angry being vegetarian makes people on 4chan and other mongoloids. That alone is a good reason to be one.

[Anonymous No.11432014]

>>11431971

This basically. Rural areas were full of livestock that *have* to be killed in huge numbers every autumn yo ensure there's enough fodder for the rest of the herd to survive the winter. Archaeological evidence from places like York and Southampton show large quantities of meat was being processed and eaten there. There's also written records such as guild statues and town bylaws restricting activity of butchers, indicating their trade is very common and their customers from the full range of society. The 15th century poem London Lickpenny even describes what is effective meat based street food being sold to passers by, with "sheep's feet ... ribs of beef and many a pie".

[Anonymous No.11432035]

>>11432008
I have nothing against being vegetarian, and if anything I think it's a moral choice deserving of praise. Buuuut when you come onto a thread about medieval peasants and start reeeing about how you don't need meat, expect to be laughed at. For most of human history we didn't have the diversity of foods we have today that allow for a viable meat free diet. It just reeks of modern day entitlement. Europe wasn't overflowing with protein rich beans before global trade began, or any of the other protein rich plant materials. Plus everyone worked really hard.

Put yourself in the shoes of some random dude in Poland in the year 1000. You do hard manual labor for several months out of the year. You grow wheat, and some (not very protein rich) vegetables, maybe some apples, and livestock. If you forgo meat, you are stuck just eating eggs and milk for protein to replenish your body after doing a full day of hard work. If it's just one dude doing it, the village weirdo, I guess he can just eat a whole lot of eggs and chug milk. If it's everyone doing it though, there just aren't enough chickens to make all the eggs or enough cows to make the milk, there's a limit to their efficiency. And if you don't eat the animals, they just reproduce until they all overgraze and everyone dies. Congrats.

Vegetarians are too often cringelord zealots.

[Anonymous No.11432049]

>>11432008
I love how angry vegetarian fags get on 4chan when normal people shit on their stupid "diet".

[Anonymous No.11432061]

>>11428407
>Meat
>Luxury
You are retarded
Pigs, Cows, Sheep, and every manner of animals where used for their meat and other products and they ate every damn part of it including the organs
Not to mention how easy it is to raise chickens and the protein you get from eggs
If you lived outside of England or the HRE their was a million metric fuck miles of hunting land too
As well as fishing was a huge industry and people fished like crazy
Not to mention other birds like squab and pidgeons, or the shellfish you could get, or stuff like snails that any country near France had in their gastronomy.

The only time people where horribly malnourished was during the Neolithic Revolution when farming techniques and food diversity was low. Which changed a society was shaped and grew up.

Also, horse and mule could and was used for meat in many places. Eels, octopus and other wierder sea creatures where also eaten.

Older people's had a much larger variety back then because they needed to pull out the stops and be creative for real variety in food. Which wasn't hard unless you where English because England was always an authoritarian shithole for English common folk.

[Anonymous No.11432120]

>>11432061
What about people in big cities?

[Anonymous No.11432168]

>>11428560

[Anonymous No.11432203]

>>11428407
>Meat used to be a rare luxury in the middle ages

Wrong.

Meat was the most important source of food up until the 16th century in central europe.

Late middle ages: over 100kg per capita p.a.
19th century: 14kg per capita p.a.
Germany 2013: 88kg per capita p.a.

[Anonymous No.11432307]

>>11428479
>vegans
>people

[Anonymous No.11432499]

>>11432120
People in big cities where usually people who could either afford meat at market since it wasn't that expensive or where too poor to do anything more than just live.

At that time the primary occupants of cities where people who where neccesary for a city to run and had decent pay because of it. Cities only started existing due to a huge surplus of food.

Cities also where places where goods and wealth where exchanged in vast quantities and profusion making a competitive market for food goods which included meats. Especially if your city was on a river or the ocean (ie the vast majority of cities) so they could easily get food goods produced by coast lines, or up or down stream.

That and many grazelands where nearer to cities than you would think so the Shearers and other animal good produces could sell their stock with ease.

Cities actually helped the meat issue not hindered it except for the bottom most of people who where basically one bad Daya way from death. Those people lived off of charity which of course doesn't include meat.

But cities also produce pest problems and even the bottom dregs could get rat, cat, or other pest meats

[Anonymous No.11432521]

>>11428484
I think it was common in most earlier societies where hunting larger game and supplementing with small game was common. Of course those near fish would eat that, too. It only really shifted with the advent of large towns and cities, with poor/owned populations. Since they couldn't feed themselves, a cheap grain or fuel source became a necessity. But hunters and gatherers, nomadic and tribal people's wouldn't pass up on a hare or deer

[Anonymous No.11432534]

>>11432499
>Especially if your city was on a river or the ocean (ie the vast majority of cities)
The pollution and filth would turn the river from a source of water and food to a source of disease. Yes, useful for travel and making sure the rich get their spices but actually worse for the ecosystem and the populace

[Anonymous No.11432649]

>>11428600
>>11430538
Made by bacteria and is plentiful in well water. Cattle are given B12 supplements. This is a retarded argument since it makes more sense, cost wise at the very least, to just take the supplement yourself rather than giving it to the cattle first.

[Anonymous No.11432703]

>>11428407
people ate bad quality meat stuff like lard. Also, life expectancy was not very high, like 35 or 40 even in Europe. People were malnourished and often only ate bread, potatoes, some butter or cheese (depending on where you lived.)

[Anonymous No.11432713]

>>11431923
Poaching wasn’t really a major thing till after woodlands were enclosed as “Forests”, ie. private hunting grounds for the king or other nobles.
While this happened before Chaucer was alive, Chaucer was living towards the end of the Middle Ages, and the beginning of the Rennaisance.
During the actual Middle Ages, there were plenty of woodlands, forests, open grasslands, mountainous areas etc. especially away from towns and cities, that either didn’t belng to anyone, or which pretty much weren’t patrolled by game wardens or any equivalent, so hunting or poaching game usually wasn’t an issue, unless game became really scarce, or you were doing other activities that would cause a posse to be sent after you.
If you were trying to build a large structure, or set up a large workshop of some kind, you might get pushback, but if you just wanted to build a hut in the woods, nobody cared.

[Anonymous No.11432717]

>>11428471
Sure thing, serf.

[Anonymous No.11432720]

>>11432703
Lard was a very important material during the middle ages for a number of reasons, and a person who owned a press for extracting lard or tallow, would have been a respected tradesman.

[Anonymous No.11432751]

>>11428471
>evolution>

>11432720
Yes, but an important reason was, because it was cheap. I wouldn't recommend anyone to eat lard today, but I see how and why people did it back then. (lard was even popular in wo2 still / poland today)

[Anonymous No.11432754]

>>11432720
>>11432751

[Anonymous No.11432947]

>>11432751
Larg is routinelly used as a cooking oil/grease.
Due to its chemical makeup, lard retains its chemical form when cooking at high heats, and is unlikely to form carcinogenic substances like a number if other cooking oils do.
The same goes for butter, especially once it’s clarified.
Many vegetable cooking oils change chemical form when heated to high temperatures during cooking, and actual start producing carcinogenic substances.
The BBC had an article on it.
Apparently scientists haven’t done comprehensive tests on cooking oils once heated, and have been relying on the health conclusions based on uncooked oil.
Either that, or the vegetable oil industry supressed info that is now being slowly released.

[Anonymous No.11433784]

>>11428407
They didn't consume much meat but that doesn't mean they didn't eat a lot of animal products, in fact that's tge very reason they slaughtered a lot of domesticated animals sparingly. Eggs were such an important part of the diets of even middling serfs that hens were often used as a form of currency. Dairy products were ubiquitous throughout European diets, in places like Ireland they would've formed the majority of calorific intake. Cattle, sheep and chickens were far too valuable alive for the average farmer to be slaughtered willy-nilly, hence why pork was the dominant form of meat because you could feed them literal shit and they bred like crazy. Even if you had to slaughter them sparingly, a few meat-based or infused dishes a month weren't out of the question. Another thing to consider is that this applied mostly to livestock, if you lived near water you'd make full use of fish and waterfowl. If you were alliwed to hunt, you would. And whilst the majority of the diet would've been grain-based, those grains would overwhelmingly be oats and rye, a lot more nutritious than the white bread we would think of today.

The malnutrition that would've manifested itself in most people was mostly due to famines (especially devastating if you're a growing child or youth, which demographically, odds are you likely were) and a general lack of variety (mostly vegetable vitamins) rather than a lifelong lack of protein, calcium or whatever.

[Anonymous No.11433993]

>>11428407
lolvegans u so cute
If it were medieval times, I would kick your ass, take your shit, and burn it in front of you while you bleed out. Meat was a "luxury," sure, in the sense that you had to pay out the ass it unless you went out and killed it yourself. Weakfags (peasants) both couldn't afford to buy it and couldn't go out and hunt it. They WERE deficient and malnourished. And they deserved it, like modern-day vegans who are so fucked in the head, they CHOOSE to be peasants.

[Anonymous No.11433994]

>>11429611
This is an oft-repeated myth. In theory, a vegan/vegetarian diet that is appropriately rich in diverse shouldn't cause significant differences in ID, and that was the conclusion of several older older general studies which I see repeated. However, recent in-depth case studies conclude that there is a significant difference in ID levels between vegetarians and omnivores, barring all other factors.

https://www.fruitsandveggiesmorematters.org/vegetarians-higher-rates-of-anemia/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23712019/?i=5&from=/25369923/related
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27880062/

Vegans are even more at risk due to a considerably larger occurence of B12-related anemia, which only aggrevates it further. I blame that on retards who are spreading blatant disinfo about it and malnourishing the most gullible of them.

[Anonymous No.11434086]

>>11428495
true. you could swallow cum.

[Anonymous No.11434310]

>>11432035
Based historical reasoning poster

[Anonymous No.11434534]

>>11429640
Hey retard guess what? You take supplements too you fucking troglodytes. Go eat a burger and have a heart attack nigger

[Anonymous No.11434544]

>>11430902
It's no hard at all, we just have this crazy thing called will power and the ability to look up recipes instead of having big corporations hold our dicks and help us piss

[Anonymous No.11434597]

>>11434534

what's this supposed to prove?

i think we can safely say that your brain isn't firing on all cylinders. have some butter, i'm sure you will feel better.

>posts picture showing supplements for animals raised on shit diets for as cheap as possible in completely unnatural living conditions
>thinks anybody will be surprised they need to have their diets supplemented
>implying that what an animal consumes makes it directly into the muscle that we consume

ok.

[Anonymous No.11434698]

>>11433784
>And whilst the majority of the diet would've been grain-based, those grains would overwhelmingly be oats and rye, a lot more nutritious than the white bread we would think of today.
White bread is perfectly nutritious, and along with milk cheese and beer/ale, was the main food for the average person in numerous areas of Britain for centuries. Hence,
>”Give us this day our daily Bread”
Barley Oats and Rye would also have been eaten, but white Bread was the main staple.

[Anonymous No.11435524]

>>11434698
>White bread is perfectly nutritious
You remove most of the nutrition from wheat by turning it into white flour. You get slightly more energy from eating it because there's no fiber, but you lose nutrition for everything else.

[Anonymous No.11435603]

>>11434698
>White bread is perfectly nutritious
By removing the bran and germ layers you get rid of alot of nutritients. There's a good reason why people are moving back to whole grain breads.
>Give us this day our daily Bread
You are aware that you can make bread out of of rye and whole grain wheat right?
>Barley Oats and Rye would also have been eaten, but white Bread was the main staple
Entirely wrong; rye bread, barley beer and oatmeal (along with various vegetables and dairy) were the staple throughout Northern Europe because they were well suited to the clinate. Wheat would've been secondary, let alone the laborious white bread, which was generally restricted to the upper classes. From the 19th century onwards potatoes took their place and it wasn't until the decades after WWII that thoroughly-milled white bread became a thing most people could afford to eat on a daily basis. A trend that many Westerners have been moving away from in recent years, precisely because white bread is so poor in nutrition compared to virtually any other grain-based food.

[Anonymous No.11435814]

>>11432168
yikes

[Anonymous No.11435956]

>>11428407
"meat" wasn't rare. Good fresh meat was. They ate dried and cured meat all the time.

[Anonymous No.11435962]

>>11428560
the best part is that you think that the meds you get are grown from thin air and not processed animal matter.

[Anonymous No.11435964]

>>11435603
Humanity spends millenia learning how to refine coarse grain into white refined flour, then throws those generations of advancement in the garbage to eat coarse grain, because a bunch of quacks tell them it’s healthier.

There’s a reason humanity spent milenia trying to refine and mill grain.
The wheat endosperm causes the wheat to go bad much quicker, so removing the endosperm makes the wheat safer to eat and store.
The simpler carbohydrates are easier to digest, giving the eater quicker energy, and more carbs for brain function.
Large portions of the human populace are allergic or have sensitivities to gluten. Eating Whole Wheat is much more likely to trigger these issues than refined wheat is. Further, once these issues are triggered, the eater may wind up more sensitized to all types of wheat flour and not just whole wheat.
Areas were barley or oats were more common are much more likely to have populations allergic to wheat.
I don’t object to some whole grains, but wheat is one I do object to.
Whole Wheat might be fine if you’re walking out the door to a field with a scythe and freshly cutting some wheat to eat, but it always seems off in baked goods.

[Anonymous No.11435965]

>>11435603
>By removing the bran and germ layers you get rid of alot of nutritients.
Yes. But those extra nutrients are just that: extraneous. They aren't necessary for survival.

>>There's a good reason why people are moving back to whole grain breads.
Silly diet fads?

>>Entirely wrong; rye bread, barley beer and oatmeal (along with various vegetables and dairy) were the staple throughout Northern Europe because they were well suited to the clinate.
Very true.

[Anonymous No.11435968]

>>11428471

[Anonymous No.11435972]

>>11428471
Oh do shut up. You don't even know what those terms you're using mean.

[Anonymous No.11435987]

>>11435964
>he thinks people with celiacs or gluten insensitivies eat any gluten

Lol

[Anonymous No.11435994]

>>11428407
Peasantry ate fish, OP. Berries, tubers, vegetables, bread, and fish. Mostly the first four. Especially the bread. The reason we have fancier names for certain meats is the class divide. The rich had a name for the meat, the peasantry that raised it just called it what it was. A bigger peasant meal for a special occasion would have been a large fish baked whole in a crust. They were malnourished, the rich didn't care.
Rich - poor
Poultry - birds
Venison - deer
Beef - cow
Pork - pig
Name of fish - fish

[Anonymous No.11436025]

>>11432703

>potatoes
>middle ages

[Anonymous No.11436028]

>>11432720

>extracting lard and tallow
>with a press

Lolwut

[Anonymous No.11436047]

>>11436028
anon doesn't know what rendering is. point and laugh.

[Anonymous No.11436107]

>>11428546
Friendly reminder that pre-water treatment, there was b12 naturally in water. Creatine and Carnosine arent essential nutrients. Vitamin D is easily acquired if you spent time in the sun. DHA is converted from things like flax seeds and flax seed oil. Heme-iron is unneeded if you eat legumes and whole grains. Taurine is made inside of your own body.

You didnt actually prove anything, and i'm guessing you don't know shit about nutrition.

[Anonymous No.11436108]

>>11436047
Rendering was done in a large iron pot not a press but nice attempt at damage control.

[Anonymous No.11436110]

>>11429353

actually based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11436153]

>>11436108
Why are you wallowing in ignorance when the joy of learning something new is so much more satisfying?

[Anonymous No.11436173]

>>11428419
fpbp

[Anonymous No.11436196]

>>11428407
>meat was a rare luxury in the middle ages Europe
>a culinary tradition defined by a wide array of animal based products in everything from peasants food to banquet halls

Choose one. I mean yeah it wasn't steak every night but even most peasants could afford to raise a couple pigs on the side and feed it spoiled vegetables, then they'd slaughter one about this time of year and one in the spring and preserve it into all kinds of charcuterie. Not to mention the countless cows, chickens, and sheep all the time.

And its also a misnomer that the middle ages pre plague was worse than post plague. There was sustained years of plenty leading up to the 14th century which led to European cities being packed with people. It was this overpopulation which made the plague as deadly as it was and you'll notice looking at any map of the epidemic that it was sparsely populated regions that were hurt the least. Nobles often fled to country estates during this period and this is how the tradition of the noble European country estate started.

The famine that defines the middle ages in so many peoples minds was actually a relatively short period during and directly after the plague caused by a one-two punch of the plague robbing the society of enough people to harvest crops and a mini ice age that made even the tilled and harvested fields have lower yield, and oh yeah lets not forget that the Plantagenets and Capets have been going at each others throats for almost 100 years by now and when armies weren't being told by their commanders to rape and pillage and burn farm land they were doing it voluntarily as bands of bandits which would rule the roads of England and France during times of "peace".

Most of the middle ages was relatively stable and comfortable for the vast majority of the population and the people considered the 14th centuries plagues, famines, and warfare to be such a departure from the norm that it could only mean that this was the final judgement day.

[Anonymous No.11436199]

>>11436153
This is how lard was rendered, lardass.

[Anonymous No.11436214]

>>11436196
Pic related is my source. Read books. BOOKS. Theyre good for you!

[Anonymous No.11436218]

>>11436153
That's a sausage stuffer with a fruit press (juicer) attachment.

>>Why are you wallowing in ignorance when the joy of learning something new is so much more satisfying?
you tell us.

[Anonymous No.11436232]

>>11428621
Read Petrarch then. He was born in 1304 and would have been exposed to, at the very least, adults who lived most of their lives in pre plague Europe and would have seen first hand himself what happened as it slowly marched forward across the continent.

[Anonymous No.11436261]

>>11436196
This.

From everything I have read the "dark ages" sounds like it was actually pretty comfy for the common man.

Naming it the dark ages and generally trying to downplay it's virtues was a PR tactic of the Renaissance to try and make their new emphasis on academics and knowledge seem like a much greater boon for civilization than it really was.

[Anonymous No.11436510]

>>11428471
If this isn't bait, I'd like you to show me why our brains blew up in size when Homo erectus first started eating meat, and later shrunk after our Agricultural Revolution.

[Anonymous No.11436519]

>>11433993
underrated

[Anonymous No.11436667]

>>11436261
>Naming it the dark ages and generally trying to downplay it's virtues was a PR tactic of the Renaissance to try and make their new emphasis on academics and knowledge seem like a much greater boon for civilization than it really was.

Sort of:

The concept of a "Dark Age" originated in the 1330s with the Italian scholar Petrarch, who regarded the post-Roman centuries as "dark" compared to the light of classical antiquity.[3][4] The phrase "Dark Age" itself derives from the Latin saeculum obscurum, originally applied by Caesar Baronius in 1602 to a tumultuous period in the 10th and 11th centuries.[5] The concept thus came to characterize the entire Middle Ages as a time of intellectual darkness between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance; this became especially popular during the 18th-century Age of Enlightenment.[3]

The people responsible for retconnoning the middle ages were actually 19th century scholars and they actually retconned it to both hyperboles because this was also the era of romanticism where grand tales of chivalric knights in shining armor come from and if we look at the global events of the 19th century its easy to see why this happened. The great houses of Europe eager to push back against the wave of 18th century revolutionary enlightenment patronized artists in all fields who were quick to glorify the noble origins of their patrons for the common folk all the while the increasingly radicalized enlightenment movement (popularly known as the "left" after the tennis court oath established the French National Assembly wherein the liberal enlightenment members tended to sit and cluster together on the left of the room) was eager themselves to push back against the claims of the nobilities right to rule the people and the general historical efficacy of this leadership.

TL;DR modern assumptions about the middle ages are paradoxically shaped by right and left wing propaganda of the 19th century.

[Anonymous No.11436674]

>>11436510
Inbreeding and muh joos casting black magic spells?

[Anonymous No.11437044]

>>11428597
>sheep for woo
Lol still works.

[Anonymous No.11437063]

>>11435603
>northern Europe
Yeah but everywhere south of the Rhine preferred wheat and they, ya know, had way more people and defined the era for the most part. Northern Europe was largely a backwater until the rise of the renaissance.

[Anonymous No.11437173]

>>11436218
Actually, I think it's just a fruit press, the handles on the sausage makers, are oriented differently. Most likely intended for apples, but would work on lots of things on the farm. But you're a whole lot closer than "renderer"

[Anonymous No.11437277]

>>11428407
They were horribly deficient and malnourished. They were, like, shorter than the japs.

[Anonymous No.11437307]

>>11435814
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! GUYS HE ONLY POSTED A ONE WORD RESPONSE! SEE HOW COOL AND ABOVE IT ALL HE IS! YIKES OOF WEW LAD DAMN SON!
Get fucked, get fucked, get fucked. I hope you are destroyed. I want you to be raped, I hate you so much. Fuck you, with every fiber of my being fuck you. Stop posting like fucking girls on this board. Stop responding with one word comments like "yikes" or "oof." This shit is fucking infuriating and it's been going on for way to fucking long.
>"b-but I was just talking like a girl ironically"
Oh yeah, and I dressed your dad up in a wig and fucked him up the ass "ironically." Wow so funny am I right? What irony! Stop ruining this fucking board with this fucking yikes bullshit. Nobody is better for having read a single word comment just saying yikes. That bandwidth could have gone to something better, the net negative value of your comment is such that it is actively destroying the internet one bit at a time. Maybe those pixels that would have been used to say "yikes" on your screen could go to a more worthy cause, like reddit or a facebook group!
>"yik-"
No stop right fucking there. I no you're going to comment back with "yikes," I know you just can't get enough of that retarded shit. I want you to know you're disappointing everybody right now with everything you say. Get fucked. Nobody comes here so they can see the word "yikes" unaccompanied by anything else. If that were the case, they could just get a marker and some paper and write "yikes" on their own time. Leave it by their computer maybe. Fuck you and your yikes.
>"please, st-stop being mean to me"
Then fix your life. Fix how you comment. Maybe fix what sites you go to. Stop with this yikes crap that's just fucking irritating.
Remember this: nobody wants, nobody likes, yikes yikes yikes

[Anonymous No.11437466]

>>11437307
Buttblasted, assmad, and hornswoggled

[Anonymous No.11437482]

>>11437277
Nah. Not really the period dating from the fall of Rome until the 1400s renaissance was mostly marked by stability, plentiful food, and population growth.

[Anonymous No.11437682]

>>11437307
yieks

[Anonymous No.11437879]

>>11437307
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[Anonymous No.11437912]

>>11436153
>>11436199
After pot rendering, lard and/or tallow might alao be pressed out of the remaining fat tissue, to get every last bit of lard possible.
I can’t be sure they did it in medieval times, but a during American colonial times, lard presses were a thing, and in many cases used really old levered press designs.
Since screw press designs have been around since the byzantine empire existed, a levered press design would likely be based on very old technology.

[Anonymous No.11437942]

>>11437482
Source? Oops sorry, you don't have one.

[Anonymous No.11437944]

>>11437173
Apple juice is acidic so a cast iron design doesn’t make as much sense, although, when cast iron was a major industry in the country, manufacturers likely made cast iron fruit presses.
Older cider presses were almost always wood of some type, and in many cases a simpler lever design.
If you’re ever in or near Doylestown, Bucks County, PA, there’s a museum called the Mercer Museum.
The Mercer museum is full of old technological and craft tool collections, illustrating the ways various industries worked before industrialized production took over.
There are at least half a dozen craft or farm made old cider presses the founder collected from local farms, as well as lard rendering equipment.
The museum also has a giant collection of old cast irin stoves, including an original Franklin stove, made from Franklins original published design. It may be the only one still known to exist.
There’s also an actual gallows that was used.

[Anonymous No.11437953]

>>11437942
>>11436214
>>11436196
Actually I do.

[Anonymous No.11437960]

>>11437277
The height from that period really varies depending on what area the population was from, and may have nothing to do with malnourishment.
There were knights who at the time were incredibly tall, possibly 7’ or close.
There were other people who were probably closer to 4’ or just over.

[Anonymous No.11437998]

>>11428407
Eggs and milk are more than satisfactory for proteins and B12 neeeds

[Anonymous No.11438468]

>>11437960
>giant knights
sauce?

[Anonymous No.11438632]

>>11435964
>Humanity spends millenia learning how to refine coarse grain into white refined flour, then throws those generations of advancement in the garbage to eat coarse grain
As stated repeatedly, refined white bread was never a common staple for the vast majority of the population. White bread was the reserve of the wealth, primarily for reasons of taste. People aren't undoing anything but reversing a very recent trend of white bread, for quite valid reasons. And even then, whole grain wheat isn't close to the rye and oats that were the staples.

>>11435965
>Yes. But those extra nutrients are just that: extraneous. They aren't necessary for survival
>nutritients in grains aren't necessary for survival when you're living on a subsistence diet in which it forms at least threequarters of your life's calorific intake
The least intelligent thing I've read today, congrats.
>>11435965
>Silly diet fads?
>eating a slightly less processed and more traditional version of a staple with more nutritients = a 'fad diet'
I better inform my countrymen that they've all been eating food memes for decades now because their ancestors tricked them for shits and giggles or something

[Anonymous No.11438637]

>>11437063
>Yeah but everywhere south of the Rhine preferred wheat
Because it could grow there
>had way more people and defined the era for the most part
What fantasy Middle Ages are you talking about? Latin Europe was dominated and centred around Frankish West-Europe both culturally and demographically for most of the Middle Ages. Spain was politically and culturally irrelevant until quite late in the Middle Ages and Italy was dominated by Western interests. The Byzantine Empire dwarfed anything in tge rest of Europe but it was practically it's own world from Charlemagne onwards.
>Northern Europe was largely a backwater until the rise of the renaissance.
Laughably inaccurate. While Italy had always been the most urbanised region, cultural and political hegemony had very definitively switched to Western-European nations. If anything, the Renaissance was the re-awakening of a dinstinctly Italian culture and way of thinking once again becoming a dominant influence on the rest of Europe. Though by then, the seeds of the Little Divergence and the Reformation had already been sown.

[Anonymous No.11438766]

>>11438468
Certain Irish clans were known to be very tall, hence the “myth” of “Irish Giants”. And in Irelant today there are still very tall iIrish people with actual Irish surnames.
The same was true for certain areas of Scandinavia. Denmark being one area known for tall populations.
There were also very tall individuals from Gaelic Scottish clans who served as mercenaries, and who were routinely chosen based on height, and known as Gallowglass.
There were also the Jotunn/Jotnar from Norse sagas.
There’s also this article from the DailyMail that mentions a study of historic remains.
Basically, if you look at areas were you have really tall populations today, you can find historic references to giants, or really tall individuals in the historic record.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-457506/Myth-debunked-Our-medieval-ancestors-just-tall-says-new-study.html

[Anonymous No.11439477]

>>11436107
>Vitamin D is easily acquired if you spent time in the sun.
There are places without enough average sunlight for that.

>Heme-iron is unneeded if you eat legumes and whole grains.
Not true since the iron in them isn't as easily absorbed.

[Anonymous No.11439493]

>>11428407
>Meat used to be a rare luxury in the middle ages
Citation required.
Also, obvious vegan propaganda thread.

[Anonymous No.11439503]

>>11428546
>you need to ingest Taurine to live
wew

[Anonymous No.11439504]

>>11428569
>old english
>milton
>chaucer
chaucer is middle-english and milton is early modern english.
old english is practically norse runes

[Anonymous No.11439510]

>>11439493
it wasn't a 'rare luxury', but it was certainly less affordable before the 20th century.
poor people are unlikely to have eaten meat with every meal, or if they did it was the cheap cuts and offal.
being able to eat meat every day was a sign of wealth in the middle ages, and even as recently as the 19th century for some countries

[Anonymous No.11439561]

>>11438637
Obviously you're not good at geography because
>Latin Europe was dominated and centred around Frankish West-Europe both culturally and demographically for most of the Middle Ages.

Is all south of the Rhine and not considered northern Europe at all. The French staple grain was wheat.

[Anonymous No.11439599]

>>11428407
prime cuts and big amounts of roasted meats were luxury.
Salted/cured meats that went a long way in stews/etc were widely available.

[Anonymous No.11439604]

>>11428419
thread's over, go home folks

[Anonymous No.11439612]

>>11428574
>start retard veganism argument for the nth time
>get called out
>"dude im not even vegan lmao"
>accuse everyone calling your dumb vegan ass out of being a /pol/ack
thank you everyone we have concluded today's episode of "dude im trolling /ck/ lmao"

[Anonymous No.11439618]

>>11428407
People ate pig assholes and died of malnutrition at 40.

[Anonymous No.11439701]

>>11439618
>died of malnutrition at 40
Not typically. Life expectancy averages are driven down due to the higher rate of infantile and child birth mortality. It wasn't uncommon to live over 50 years old with some people going well into their 80s. Of course things like undiagnosed ailments we are familiar with today played a factor in picking people off at younger ages, but strictly speaking malnourishment was rarely the culprit.

[Anonymous No.11439708]

>>11439701
People ate shit in the middle ages and life expectancy was much lower than it is today.
And no, they did not eat fucking shrubberies.

[Anonymous No.11439787]

>>11437307
yikes

[Anonymous No.11439808]

>>11429217
>>11429353
>>11430688
>>11430902
>>11432751
>>11435972
>>11436510
You all replied unironically. it should be a banable offense to enable such cheap bait by responding. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.11439814]

>>11439708
Gonna need a source on that mcnugget of misinformation

[Anonymous No.11439815]

>>11428471
post boi pusi

[Anonymous No.11439866]

>>11439604
Fuck off back to ribbit

[Anonymous No.11439914]

>>11439808
I honestly can't tell what's bait and what isn't anymore. This site has rotted my brain.

[Anonymous No.11440074]

Test

[Anonymous No.11440080]

>>11428407
>Meat used to be a rare luxury in the middle ages
doubt.jpeg

[Anonymous No.11440090]

>>11439866
Reddit is useful sometimes. You're just conditioned to believe it's a no-no by the WE R LEEGUN police.

[Anonymous No.11440119]

>>11428560
Which of those can you get from fungi?

[Anonymous No.11440960]

>>11428471
berrypicker as snu-snu

[Anonymous No.11440972]

>>11428407
THEY DIED YOU FUCKING IDIOT

[Anonymous No.11440981]

>>11440080
its true though, imagine making 50 cents a day in the fields and going to the supermarket and all the beef is 5$ or more a pound and you have a family of 6-8 because lolnocondoms.

[Anonymous No.11441052]

>>11440981
>imagine thinking there were supermarkets
>imagine not raising your own animals while living on a farm
So did your mom pile drive you into the floor when you were a baby?

[Anonymous No.11441079]

>>11428407
Reasonable ratios of meat, plus fish, were more than enough for city folks
Poor rural regions were arguably "deficient and malnourished" but not at the danger of their life.
When you're scrappy and fill your diet with everything you can (shrooms, roots, small game, river fish) you won't run into deficiences

I read the numbers of a semi-important (Toulouse) French city in the 15th century - It imported enough meat to feed on average 70g per capita a day, which isn't too bad compared to today standards where a lot of people get a 150g steak for lunch but no real meat for dinner.

[Anonymous No.11441105]

>>11428419
Malnutrition is still the most common cause of birth defects in the world. Pampered first world faggots like to think that humans thrived before technology, but life before the modern era sucked dick super hard.