/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11205278]

News:

There's a strong case for veganism gaining traction
>https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/bbc-discusses-ethics-of-veganism-on-politics-live-show
60% of US cutting back on meat and animal products due to vegan altruism
>https://www.livekindly.co/americans-cutting-back-meat-health/
1,000s of vegan doctors attend groundbreaking plant based medical conference
>https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/groundbreaking-medical-event-leading-global-plant-based-doctors

Recipes of the week:

Muhumarra (if you haven't tried this you haven't lived)
>https://minimalistbaker.com/easy-muhammara-dip/
Eat More Seitan
>https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58ed26a8e4b0ca64d919f55c
$1 Recipes plus Rawvanna's milkies
>https://youtu.be/GQtZyEy6nAI

Media:

GAME CHANGERS IS COMING
>https://youtu.be/V1VTaCV2uek

No triggered anti-vegans allowed ITT

[Anonymous No.11205281]

>>11205278
>No triggered anti-vegans allowed ITT
I'm in your thread, whatcha gonna do fag

[Anonymous No.11205300]

Plant based diets are good. But full on veganism is stupid. I honestly think your average person should be having three serves of meat per week, no more no less.

[Anonymous No.11205309]

>Altruism

[Anonymous No.11205311]

>>11205300
That's fair if you want to be healthy but giving your money to an industry that is horrific is unethical.

Have your ever had a mushroom burger anon?

[Anonymous No.11205321]

veganism will never "catch on". 99.999% of humanity eats what they can get, within their cultural preferences and admonitions. very few people truly modify their diet towards a rational goal, and even fewer adopt strict religious/ethical/ideological guidelines that voluntarily limit their diets in significant ways. people dont eat by prescription. we will simply move towards more plant based eating like our ancestors had to when meat was scarce. we will implement more ethical slaughter. we will save water, and food, and energy. we will not ever bend to the vegan mullahs

[Anonymous No.11205333]

>>11205311
>but giving your money to an industry that is horrific is unethical
if your concern is funding unethical industries then your entire stance is doomed to fail
there are precious few places you can buy vegan foods without supporting at least one industry that's at least complicit in unethical practices, if not actively perpetrating them

[Anonymous No.11205346]

>>11205311
>Have your ever had a mushroom burger anon?
I've had a mushroom sandwich. I've had a real burger before, and a grilled mushroom is a woefully inadequate substitute.

[Anonymous No.11205368]

>>11205333
Review the root of your argument and ask yourself why you do not choose to live the lifestyle with the least amount of death possible.

[Anonymous No.11205378]

Vegans are so fucking retarded that they don't even realize that they're actually against western capitalism and not "the meat industry" or whatever buggaboo bullshit they came up with.

The american meat industry is fucked sure, but the rest of the world doesn't follow the same food regulation at all. Every factory farm doing the bad shit vegans report on can all be traced back to like, 4 LLCs. And those LLCs own everything nice about society. So yeah you can stop eating meat, but that just means those LLCs will find another way into your pockets and another way to exploit cheap resources and labor which will eventually fuck up the enviroment just as quickly.

You want change? Grow your own food and stop buying shit? Oh wait? you like your car and shampoo? Well pick one faggot because every purchase you make goes right back to the pockets of the big wigs fucking it up in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11205382]

>>11205378
Honestly vegans need to admit they don't actually care, they just have no personality and are desperate to find something easy to cling on to and pretend like they're making a difference.

[Anonymous No.11205390]

>>11205311
>horrific and unethical

lel stupid fuck then how about stop buying products that exploit labor?

Stop buying from samsung, apple, amazon, Nestle, Kraft, Disney, Nike, Target, Malls, Safeway, fucking every major company that isn't a mom and pop.

Do that and then talk about unethical. Until then shut up or kill yourself. That would be the best way to stop being unethical honestly.

[Anonymous No.11205403]

>>11205321
It's calculated at 9% currently in the UK
>https://metro.co.uk/2018/04/04/3-5-million-brits-7-brits-now-say-vegan-7439337/
Up 600% in two years in the US
>https://chicagodefender.com/2018/05/03/the-vegan-trend-why-so-many-people-are-changing-their-diets/

Veganism is taking over. It's the healthiest, most ethically superior, and sexiest choice anon. You will hit reply and continue to argue however the masses will quickly turn.
By 2023 some argue 25% of the US and UK will be vegan, which is the tipping point.
>https://www.asc.upenn.edu/news-events/news/research-finds-tipping-point-large-scale-social-change

[Anonymous No.11205407]

>>11205368
>why you do not choose to live the lifestyle with the least amount of death possible.
Huh? The only thing I can think of that a person could eat that was never alive is salt.

[Anonymous No.11205414]

>>11205403
What part of vitamin deficiencies and rickets is healthy anon?

[Anonymous No.11205417]

>>11205407
>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.11205422]

>>11205368
>ask yourself why you do not choose to live the lifestyle with the least amount of death possible
Because voluntarily depriving myself of the rich variety of foods that eating meat gives me access to sounds like a miserable, joyless existence where the satisfaction of good food has to be replaced by feigned smug superiority over people who actually get to enjoy their food.

[Anonymous No.11205426]

>>11205417
>vegetables don't die
Fucking brainlet

[Anonymous No.11205427]

>>11205417
I mean vegetable farms kill millions of vermin every day so I don't know what you mean by "least death." Because no. Are you saying the life of one mouse is not equal to that of a cow? How does that math work. Does it go by weight of the animal or is it by use?

I honestly don't get the "no death" logic because all farms kill animals. So do you just not want to think about it or are you just stupid?

[Anonymous No.11205431]

>>11205368
> Eggs
> Killing animals

> Non-fertile eggs are animals

Holy shit I see a lot of stupid shit on 4chan but this is pretty rich

[Anonymous No.11205440]

>>11205414
What evidence would you like to share that shows vegans have more vitamin deficiencies than non-vegans?

[Anonymous No.11205444]

>>11205403
>By 2023 some argue 25% of the US and UK will be vegan
Good for them. I won't be.

And that's assuming you actually run with the fallacious assumption that an increase over recent years means it'll continue to increase at the same rate or higher.

[Anonymous No.11205460]

For me, it's a money issue. I go out and hunt for most of my meat source. My hunting permit is about 30 dollars a year, deer tag is about 20, and fishing/ shellfish license is about 20. Along with various other tags, I only spend about 150-200 a year on hunting, and this provides for most of my meat. If I get my wife and son a deer tag too, this easily triples our meat.
If I were to try this same principle on vegetables, id have to own a huge area of land that is capable of sustaining a diversity of fruit and veggies. Then there's the cost of watering these crops, and finding a way to process these veggies into meat-like food, because that's apparently something vegans need to do. It's just not worth it.

[Anonymous No.11205471]

>>11205431
Eggs cause death because hatcheries that produce laying hens discard the male chicks into grinders or simply throw them into the trash shortly after they are born. Laying hens are also slaughtered after their egg production decreases.

[Anonymous No.11205484]

>>11205403
>US and UK
>muh ethics
Who fucking cares? Meanwhile, there's a billion screaming China men boiling live dogs in oil right after they singe the fur off with a fucking blow torch. But you're gonna come on a western civilization website and preach ethics... give me a break. Our industrialized meat processing utilize insta-kill methods. The animals never knew what hit them. No fucks given.

[Anonymous No.11205485]

>>11205427
Do you not understand how slaughtering billions of animals on top of pest controlling field crops is worse or are you just stupid? Much of agricultural land is used just to feed livestock.

[Anonymous No.11205487]

>>11205403
No. Veganism is a trend. It will die out. Being vegan is essentially like playing a video game on hard mode. You're at the top of the food chain, so you challenge yourself by doing the opposite of what is expected of you.
Let me just add this: if you are vegan because of the ethical issues, then you wouldn't eat faux food that emulates murdered animals. It's a slap in the face to everything you supposedly stand for

It's just like devout Christians who still decide to masturbate. You don't really believe in your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11205497]

>>11205485
I understand. I just don't care.
Why do you believe the lives of those rats and mice are acceptable losses, while the ones I'm eating and whose corpses aren't actually being wasted are unacceptable?

[Anonymous No.11205500]

>>11205487
If you were really against murder you wouldn't play video games that simulate murder. You are only pretending to care about human lives.

[Anonymous No.11205501]

>>11205278
>seitan
BEGONE DEMON

[Anonymous No.11205506]

>>11205500
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.11205525]

>if you haven't tried this you haven't lived
why do fags always say gay shit like this?

[Anonymous No.11205528]

>>11205426
>harm
>lack of endocrine and nervous system
Kek. Imagine being this stupid.

[Anonymous No.11205533]

>>11205497
>i dont care tho but my main argument relied on it though

[Anonymous No.11205535]

>>11205403
lmao
all these cucks also calculated that hillary clinton had a 99.9% chance of winning

[Anonymous No.11205546]

>>11205533
damn bro, I was trying hard to not change but your impact font facebook meme really made me see the error of my ways
legitimately kill yourself and go back to wherever the fuck you came from you cancerous faggot

[Anonymous No.11205547]

>>11205390
>exploiting something that is wilfully exploited vs killing something that has no choice and is given the least amount of freedom
Found the leftist

[Anonymous No.11205557]

>>11205535
>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/22/eating-vegan-diet-promotes-white-masculinity-sociologist-argues.html
Fucking newfag, stop projecting your leftist boogeyman into your lack of willpower and be a man

[Anonymous No.11205571]

>>11205557
post body you soiboy nu-male

[Anonymous No.11205598]

>>11205571
>male
You'd like that wouldn't you faggot

[Anonymous No.11205601]

>>11205547
>tfw no freakshow bearded lady gf

[Anonymous No.11205608]

>>11205497
They are only acceptable because we haven't figured out how to avoid killing them and still feed billions of people. We do, however, know nearly everybody could eat without needing to kill even one more pig, or cow, or goat, etc.

[Anonymous No.11205627]

>>11205598
y..yeah guys, being a vegan would make you a t...total chad
n...no I wont post my b...body but trust me, Im super ripped

[Anonymous No.11205654]

"The people preaching the hardest are often the biggest sinners." - Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.11205676]

>>11205278

More bullshit propaganda from the Globalists Elites trying to con the People into eating twigs and bugs while they gorge on prime cuts of meat every day,

[Anonymous No.11205677]

>>11205627
>larping
Neckbeard tendieslayer go back

[Anonymous No.11205689]

>>11205677
>still trying to change the subject
lmao

just admit you are a skinny little twink faggot

[Anonymous No.11205699]

wrong board
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.11205704]

>>11205608
So you're admitting it's just a high and mighty thing. It's acceptable that these farms kill billions of animals in the name of your veggie burger because you haven't done enough research to know that it seriously doesn't have to be that way if food companies invested money in better green houses that didn't require the use of tilling machines that kill millions of animals or better storage to keep pests out so there is no need to kill them.

You know what happens if ranger chicken realizes they don't have a profit with chicken? They start paying foreign labor even less to work longer hours in order to produce vegetables and fruit instead. But you don't care about people. See that's the problem is the second you're faced with the reality that people will suffer at the hands of corrupt companies, you shrug and go "lol whatever at least it's not a cow so it's not a cute animal to post on facebook so idgaf."

>>11205547
Being this retarded is probably a side effect of improper nutrition. Most people being exploited by huge megaconglomerates don't have a choice. Those companies roll in, destroy all other sources of income by being bigger, more effecient, and cheaper, and force the hands of the people in the country to comply or starve. So basically what you're saying is that you care more about chickens and cows than you do black and brown people. I mean I know vegans are almost all racist white people and I'm on 4chan so what did I expect, but still, you're admitting that those lives don't matter because it doesn't earn you neato hipster points.

[Anonymous No.11205734]

>>11205390
Comrade, all labour under capitalism is by definition exploitation. Profit is made up of stolen wages.

[Anonymous No.11205738]

>>11205699
>u gay

[Anonymous No.11205741]

>>11205734
That's my point. Vegans dont' understand that they're fighting a portion of a battle because they're weak and they don't want to give up the material luxury that capitalism sometimes affords them. If they actually gave a shit about changing things, they would be doing a lot more than eating carrots and hummus while playing Splatoon on their switch.

[Anonymous No.11205742]

Why should I care for the suffering of animals, or of people outside my family and friends? Why should I fear a heart attack if my family has no history of heart disease and I run 3 times a week and work out on 3 other days, resting on Sunday? Even then I'd gladly give up 20 years of my life to drink alcohol and eat meat. Why should I deprive myself of pleasure? Just for a spook?

[Anonymous No.11205772]

>>11205734
Communism cannot work. It's not an evolutionary stable strategy. It will either succumb to apathy, or devolve into either feudalism or totalitarianism.

Communism is a system where there is no currency and no government involvement in economics. People work to their ability and take what they need. This system is vulnerable to freeloaders and a lack of motivation to do jobs at the lower and upper margins of the job market. This will eventually collapse the system. If the government forces people to work or to pursue certain careers, that's not communism anymore. That's fascism. If a group of people decide to forcibly amass wealth and power, you get feudalism. Communism only works in small populations with strong social ties. Anything larger than a small village and it will collapse. And again, these small communities are vulnerable to conquest by a community that decided feudalism would work out better for them.

[Anonymous No.11205854]

>>11205500
I never said I was against murder. I certainly don't go on the Internet and chastise people who commit murder. All I'm saying I that if you find it morally reprehensible to eat meat, you wouldn't shape your vegetable paste into the exact shape and texture of that dead animal. The fact that vegans still crave this "meat" is fact enough that veganism is bullshit. Veggie patties are proof that all humans are at least omnivores, you're just too much of a vagina to deal with basic human nature.

[Anonymous No.11205898]

>>11205278
>https://youtu.be/GQtZyEy6nAI
>cold sore
is that a vegan thing

[Anonymous No.11205915]

>>11205854
Sorry, I thought it was a safe assumption that everyone was against murder. I should be more aware of where I am. Nevertheless, don't let your non-stance toward murder stop you from taking my point.

What's morally reprehensible about eating meat is the killing of animals that was required to produce it. Killing animals when it isn't necessary is morally reprehensible, just like it's morally reprehensible (to most of us) when people are killed unnecessarily. Mock meat isn't a real animal that was killed. Video game NPCs aren't real murder victims. So what's the harm? There isn't any.

[Anonymous No.11205921]

>>11205915
SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA

[Anonymous No.11205926]

>>11205915
also your entire post could have just been "its bad to kill animals when you dont have to" but you just had to be a verbose pseudo-intellectual faggot about it

[Anonymous No.11205931]

>>11205704

How did possibly understand my comment as being an admission that "it's just a high and mighty thing"? You seem to want to believe that vegans are fine with animals being killed in the production of fruits and vegetables. Of course we know it doesn't conceivably have to be that way, don't patronize me, we are the only ones who want something to be done about it. But we don't expect everyone to starve on principle waiting around for 100% harm-free agricultural practices.

Demanding that vegans perfectly adhere to the most idealistically feasible version of their philosophy or else abandon all claims to ethical rightness is maybe the most common maneuver made by non-vegans to deflect moral scrutiny. Accusing vegans of being misanthropic is also right up there. It's all just a way of attacking the messengers and not the message.

[Anonymous No.11205940]

>>11205926
I thought you were too thick for such a short explanation. I hope this means you understand now regardless of your insults.

[Anonymous No.11205950]

>>11205940
im not even the guy you've been arguing with, Ive just noticed that you have been conducting yourself in a very faggy way

[Anonymous No.11205955]

>>11205403
Im glad im making up the deficit. I eat 7kg of meat every week, i only eat meat, about 1kg a day. That must wipe out the efforts of atleast 14 vegans, feels good. Viva la meat

[Anonymous No.11205957]

>>11205950
Thanks for reading.

[Anonymous No.11205961]

>>11205915
This is your brain on slave morality.

[Anonymous No.11205970]

>>11205931
May I ask why you care so much about ethics for ethic's sake? Why is it better to live an ethical life than an enjoyable one? Isn't morality just a spook?

[Anonymous No.11205972]

>>11205915
We aren't talking about video games, buddy. We are talking about real life. vegans try to distance themselves from animal murder, yet they emulate food that only exists because of animal murder. This shows that they have a direct desire to eat meat. It's basic human nature. I don't trust anybody who is unapologetically hypocritical. If you were serious about your cause, you wouldn't profit off of the exact thing you're fighting against.

[Anonymous No.11205978]

>>11205972
Vegans also directly contribute to animal killing by buying vegetables, fruits and grains where animals like mice, rabbits, birds and such have been killed in the processes of harvesting and during pest control. Vegans are nothing but self righteous hypocrites.

[Anonymous No.11205981]

>>11205972
>animal murder
>animal
>murder
You can't murder an object.

[Anonymous No.11205984]

>it is murder to kill animals bred for food

No sweetie

>but its morally wrong

No sweetie

>trying to feel like a morally superior extremist pushing for the lives of lesser beings to be treated equally

No sweetie

[Anonymous No.11205991]

>>11205300

This.

[Anonymous No.11206021]

>>11205972
I got made fun of for belaboring my point to you but here I am writing more.

Fine. We're talking about real life! Take a bunch of vegetables, glue them into a human form, and stab the shit out of it. You've just committed the exact same amount of harm you would have if you had eaten a beyond meat burger. You say you're against stabbing humans? What a disgusting hypocrite.

Why aren't you acknowledging the lack of animal murder involved in mock meat manufacture? Animal murder is actually what vegans are fighting against. Tell me how vegan meat producers are profiting from animal murder when no animals are being murdered? Being a hypocrite in this context would be to preach against animal murder whilst murdering animals. RIGHT?

[Anonymous No.11206054]

>>11205414
>rickets
Meat/dairy/eggs are almost irrelevant compared to even half an hour outside.

As for getting it if you never come out of the basement, current theory points to the optimal intake of Vitamin D to be 2000IU. At best half a kilo of very fatty fish will get you there, enjoy the heavy metal.

[Anonymous No.11206060]

if you love animals so much why don't you marry them?

[Anonymous No.11206063]

>>11205970

I used to think morality was bullshit. But if you treat morality as the real and potential positive or negative experiences of conscious minds (non-human animals included), it makes sense as one of those minds, that we should want to all move to more positive states of being and away from negative ones.

Living an ethical life is better than a hedonistic one because it is better for everyone. But I don't think that it's always a zero-sum contest between being happy and being ethical. For most of us, some of our happiness is based on the happiness of others. Subjectively speaking you might think you'd be happier living only for yourself but that wouldn't be the case if everyone else did too.

Read The Moral Landscape by Sam Harris if you're interested in a theory of how morality can be objective without being religiously oriented.

[Anonymous No.11206105]

>>11206060
this
op BTFO

[Anonymous No.11206115]

>>11205278
>Muhumarra (if you haven't tried this you haven't lived)
Nobody's tried that. Nobody in their right mind would waste an hour making something that exotic with ingredients hauled from who-knows-where.

>>11205300
>I honestly think your average person should be having three serves of meat per week, no more no less.
I think you're an idiot. Where'd you come up with this 3-per-week shit? I'm going to start calling you 3-per-week, and I've informed your local McDonald's(tm) to do the same.

[Anonymous No.11206122]

>>11206063
My happiness is based both on hedonistic pleasures and the happiness of those withing my social circle. Why should I care about the happiness of people on the other side of the globe? Why should I care about animals that aren't even the same species as me? How does any of that make sense? I don't need objective morality to tell me how to act in my own self-interest in these matters. Your biggest fallacy is applying the same morality that dictate your interactions with kin, neighbour, and pets to strangers and livestock.

[Anonymous No.11206128]

>>11206115
>Nobody in their right mind would waste an hour making something that exotic with ingredients hauled from who-knows-where.
I'm not a vegetarian, but why the fuck are you on /ck/?

That said, 1 kg of meat a week is my absolute minimum. I'd go insane if I'd have to eat more lentils, eggs, and quark to keep up my macros than I already do. And I don't trust soy products.

[Anonymous No.11206132]

>>11206063
My happiness is based both on hedonistic pleasures and the happiness of those within my social circle. Why should I care about the happiness of people on the other side of the globe? Why should I care about animals that aren't even the same species as me? How does any of that make sense? I don't need objective morality to tell me how to act in my own self-interest in these matters. Your biggest fallacy is applying the same morality that dictate your interactions with kin, neighbour, and pets to strangers and livestock.

[Anonymous No.11206136]

>>11206128
>And I don't trust soy products.
Okay Cletus. You trust meat products, which are objectively bad for you, but not soy.

You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.11206144]

>>11206132
By your logic, it's basically okay to murder someone outside your social circle. Because that doesn't really affect your happiness, just theirs. And they're irrelevant.
But that goes vice versa too. And now, after your mom was murdered, you're unhappier than you would've been if you and everyone was a good lad.

[Anonymous No.11206150]

>>11206128
>I'm not a vegetarian, but why the fuck are you on /ck/?
looking for SENSIBLE recipes and discussing food & cooking? Unlike you, the shitposter, it seems.

[Anonymous No.11206316]

>>11206136
No, my priorities are just different from yours. I don't mind trading a few years of my life for the pleasure of eating meat. I don't want to risk getting bitchtits over eating disgusting soy products. It's a simple risk/reward equation.

[Anonymous No.11206323]

>>11205311
>Have your ever had a mushroom burger anon?
Yeah. Tastes good, but too low in calories, protein, and fat. Very unsatiating.

[Anonymous No.11206330]

>>11206150
Would you say a Thai curry was sensible? Boeuf bourguignon? Steak-and-kidney pie? Pavlova? Lamb tagine?

Muhammara is just fucking roast bell peppers chucked in a food processor with walnuts, garlic, bread crumbs, salt, cumin, chili flakes, lemon juice, EVOO, and grenadine. It's 5 minutes of work and uses ingredients commonly found in a supermarket. Sensible enough for you?

[Anonymous No.11206377]

>>11206316
>he actually fell for pol memes

[Anonymous No.11206405]

>>11206377
>he actually eats stuff that tastes bad just so he can obey a spook

[Anonymous No.11206411]

>>11205382
They need some made-up moral crusade to make them feel better about their trekkieism and pedophilia.

[Anonymous No.11206412]

>>11206405
>food tastes bad
it's not the food's fault your palate is in kindergarten.

[Anonymous No.11206419]

>>11205346
Stop eating meat or I'll kick your ass

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[Anonymous No.11206461]

>>11206447
Calcium deficiency or what?

[Anonymous No.11206469]

>>11206447
>>11206444
>>11206440
Fake news
>>11206419
>Faggot anti-vegan posting his meatcuck boyfriend
You're never going convince anyone by posting gay omnivores, faggot.

[Anonymous No.11206471]

the same people who are vegan because they are uncomfortable with the idea of killing animals who wouldn't even be alive if we didn't farm them are also pro-choice and have no qualms about kiling human babies

[Anonymous No.11206476]

Thanks for the good news OP.
Brightened my day a bit.

[Anonymous No.11206482]

>>11206476
>>11206471
kek. like clockwork

[Anonymous No.11206491]

>>11206412
>your palate is in kindergarten
I know this is bait, but how is my palate "kindergarten" when I enjoy exotic spices, a variety of meats, fruits, and vegetables, hard and soft cheeses of different age, some with blue or white fungus, or a washed rind, offal, and various other fermented foods?

I just have never enjoyed the spongy texture and lack of flavour of meat substitutes like tofu or seitan. The only soy product I enjoy is soy sauce, which I consume sparingly. There is nothing that to me would justify any real or imaginded risks associated with using soy as a staple protein source.

[Anonymous No.11206499]

>>11206491
>I listened to Chopin a few times, I am a patrician now

[Ohpee No.11206500]

>>11206491
Not the person you were replying to but
1. Post body
2. Educate yourself

Phytoestrogens and Disease: http://tinyurl com/hfxu23q
Phytoestrogens and Heart Disease: http://tinyurl com/zg2nh7a
Phytoestrogen and Kidney Disease: http://tinyurl com/jtwyanb
High soy can result in 59% less breast cancer study: http://tinyurl com/j8ywsra
Soy yields 13% lower LDL/Bad Cholesterol Study: http://tinyurl com/hhf4weq
Soy and Men Hormones Study: http://tinyurl com/hsu4wqk
Meta-analysis on men, soy and phytoestrogen extracts: http://tinyurl com/ja5s9k2
30-50% of men get manboobs from terrible diets: http://tinyurl com/zb58cbs
Phytoestrogen content of various foods: http://tinyurl com/z3kpvsw 220 women over 2 years soy study: http://tinyurl com/z4tbb7d
Meta-analysis on 47 studies no estrogen change: http://tinyurl com/hsm6ctb Soy Men
Review/Final Quote on
Soy being fine for men: http://tinyurl com/zwddamh

[Anonymous No.11206512]

its just a cartel like any other big government embedded big welfare business. The government even fucking SHILLS all their propaganda for them.
That "certified real cheese stamp?" thats fucking grade a government propaganda. They waste more dairy and meat than people consume too AND its STILL subsidized. AND EVEN MORE HILARIOUS is that a great portion of meat is now exported because US subsidized meat is too pricy by volume for food processing into products. The government needs to stop subsidizing these fuckers. It'll greatly reduce the cost as well improve the product since less will be wasted and more small business will beable to compete again.

The USDA and FDA need to die, with the FDA being reorganized into a food quality only assurance bureau

[Anonymous No.11206516]

>>11205278
>There's a strong case for veganism gaining traction

[Anonymous No.11206534]

I notice myself craving for sardines every now and then. What do I sub?

[Anonymous No.11206543]

>>11206419
YAAAAS COMRADE

[Anonymous No.11206545]

>>11206534
Pickled herring

[Anonymous No.11206546]

>>11206534
>implying there’s a substitute for /deenz/

[Anonymous No.11206571]

>>11206499
>you must enjoy every single food on the planet for your palate not to be "kindergarten"
>but you shouldn't eat meat
Huh?

>>11206500
>Post body
You'd like that, fag.
>Educate yourself
Don't need to. It still tastes like shit.

[Anonymous No.11206588]

>>11206469
I'm convinced, you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.11206626]

>>11205278
Almost as if the media and govt fully support and promote a plant based slave diet for their thrall populace.
Vegans are useful idiots and plants are toxic

[Anonymous No.11206631]

>>11205485
>Not eating grassfed beef and hunting your own game
Lol you kill more animals than someone who eats only raw meat. Pathetic. All those dead mice, earthworms, and bugs are on your hands. Thanks for supporting monocultures and desertification too you fucking beta male. You sympathize with prey lmao

[Anonymous No.11206639]

>>11206631
70% of farmland is dedicated to feeding livestock. Also, most "grass fed" beef is finished with grain for a year. Usually corn

[Anonymous No.11206692]

>>11206144
>going to jail or having society devolve into chaos because of unchecked revenge killings
>not affecting my happiness
Not killing strangers at random isn't a moral decision, it's a rational one. Try again.

[Anonymous No.11206698]

>>11206692
How is not killing animals not a rational decision, then?

[Anonymous No.11206721]

>>11206639
Good thing we have options other than buying shitty factory farmed, corn-finshed beef.

>>11206698
Because if we don't kill animals we don't have places to live. We don't have sanitary food storage. We don't have electricity, internet, TV, metal refining, medical testing, computer chips, cars, or factories. Everything that we humans do is built upon the backs of the dead.

My buddy once told me about this cool new "vegan beer" he had found. He was bragging that there were no animal deaths involved with it. I asked him how the brewery ensured that rats and mice didn't get into the grain.

[Anonymous No.11206727]

>>11206721
>Because if we don't kill animals we don't have places to live. We don't have sanitary food storage. We don't have electricity, internet, TV, metal refining, medical testing, computer chips, cars, or factories. Everything that we humans do is built upon the backs of the dead.
the fucking mental gymnastics right here. Is this what you force yourself to believe? Absolutely what in the fuck is going on in your brain?

[Anonymous No.11206731]

>>11206721
Whose we? Not everyone can hunt and constantly eating fish out of polluted water isnt the best option

[Anonymous No.11206756]

>>11206721
>if we don't kill mosquitoes, they will bite us
>this obviously means that we MUST dedicate most of our farmland and edible grains and legumes towards farming thinking, feeling, warm-blooded, inefficient, large mammals

[Anonymous No.11206758]

>>11206440

Surely, vegans don't think it's wrong to feed a baby HUMAN milk, which is what they're supposed to eat, right?

Incidentally, there was one chef who managed to make cheese out of human breast milk from his wife IIRC. Would any vegans ever eat that?

[Anonymous No.11206759]

>>11206698
It is a rational decision. Killing animals for food is legal and nobody will murder me for eating a hamburger. I like the taste of meat. Therefore I eat meat.

If you're a vegan that suffers from pathological altruism, not eating meat is also a rational decision. You don't eat meat because it makes you feel bad. Any morality you use to justify your decision is just a spook. Morality isn't objective. You use it to give yourself a sense of superiority but the only reason you don't eat meat is to satisfy your emotions the same way I satisfy my tastebuds.

[Anonymous No.11206762]

>>11206758
>Would any vegans ever eat that?
Some would, most probably wouldn't.
If the "donor" consents with full awareness of the consequences, the whole logic of avoiding suffering and slavery doesn't apply.

[Anonymous No.11206766]

>>11206756
>enjoyment is trivial
>not the only thing that matters in life
2spooky4me.

[Anonymous No.11206768]

>>11206759
>hurr durr spooks morality is a jewish scam
Why are ghouls such horrible subhuman beings who would sell their own mothers if they could make profit out of it?

[Anonymous No.11206769]

>60% of US cutting back on meat and animal products due to vegan altruism
.... What? This is simply not true.

[Anonymous No.11206775]

>>11206759
>Killing animals for food is legal and nobody will murder me for eating a hamburger. I like the taste of meat. Therefore I eat meat.
So someone else tells you it's okay, and you like it, therefore it's ok.
hmm.

[Anonymous No.11206778]

>>11206769
Most people around me have significantly cut back on their meat intake

[Anonymous No.11206784]

>>11206768
Why would I sell my own mother? I love my mother. Doing so would be irrational. Not to mention illegal. And why are you attributing antisemitic conspiracy theories to me? Is it so unbearable to you to know that there are people that don't let others dictate their values to them? Or that entangle themselves in rigid webs of their own creation?

It's funny you call me subhuman, when my position towards morality is in fact closer to that of the Nietzschean overman.

[Anonymous No.11206788]

>>11206775
>So someone else tells you
Au contraire. Nobody is preventing me from acting upon my desire to eat meat, therefore I eat meat. The desire comes from within me and without negative consequences logically translates into action. What reason could I possibly have for not eating meat?

[Anonymous No.11206797]

>>11206778
I'm a butcher at a local store and disagree.

[Anonymous No.11206798]

>>11206788
objective ones?
It's unhealthy, too demanding on the environment, unnecessary, etc.

[Anonymous No.11206807]

>>11206798
>unhealthy
20 years of my life is a price I am willing to pay for the pleasure of eating meat.
>too demanding on the environment
Don't care.
>unnecessary
Says who? Sounds spooky.

[Anonymous No.11206815]

>>11206727
>Is this what you force yourself to believe?
There's no force involved, anon. It's reality.

Have you ever been to a copper refinery? You know, where the copper is smelted down out of ore in order to make the electrical wires in your home, our cities, your computers and smartphones? There is no living thing for miles around. Everything is dead from the pollution for miles around. That's not hyperbole, you can see the death on google earth.

As for the electricity which powers nearly everything in your life....do you think that all that pollution magically vanishes? Or do you realize that it *kills* humans and animals alike?

What about the farms where your crops were grown? The pesticides and fertilizer runoff kills millions of critters. Google "fertilizer fish kill".

[Anonymous No.11206819]

>>11206756
I nevr made that claim at all, fuckhole.
I said nothing about eating meat being justified.
What I said was that it's impossible for humans to survive without killing.

The point was not to justify meat eating. The point was to get it through your thick head that you cannot help but kill.

[Anonymous No.11206822]

>>11206807
I don't get it. First you argued over morality, then gave that up. Then rationality, then gave that up as well.
If you're going to do as you please regardless, then why argue? Nobody gives a fuck about your personal retarded choices.

[Anonymous No.11206828]

>>11206797
That's fine. Both are anecdotal, I'm just noticing friends and family change their diets recently

[Anonymous No.11206830]

>>11206822
>If you're going to do as you please regardless, then why argue

Look in a mirror.

[Anonymous No.11206836]

>>11206828
My sales numbers have been steadily increasing regardless of dollar strength and price variation, and the companies that supply us have been increasing their numbers as well.

[Anonymous No.11206839]

>>11206830
We're here to prove that veganism is the superior diet. And it is. What I don't understand is your standpoint.

[Anonymous No.11206840]

>>11206815
According to the Sierra Club every mine on earth has created significant pollution, most of it very serious involving toxic heavy metals. Thus if you use metal in your life (and that's everybody) you are guilty of being part of a system which is killing the earth.

Why is it that you cry about meat but you don't cry about that? Maybe you don't mind giving up meat for your virtue signalling but you aren't willing to give up your smartphone? Fucking hypocrites.

[Anonymous No.11206842]

>>11206822
>First you argued over morality
When?
>Then rationality, then gave that up as well.
I never gave up rationality. My reasons for eating meat are rational if my goal is self interest. Any other considerations besides the health argument are hidden appeals to morality, which is a spook. You need to convince ME it's in MY best interest to stop eating meat before I'll ever consider going vegan.

[Anonymous No.11206843]

>>11206819
>The point was to get it through your thick head that you cannot help but kill.
>Psssssh *teleports behind you* Killing... is... NECESSARY! *slices u*

[Anonymous No.11206845]

>>11206836
There is a current trend with the keto diet that could be helping those sales

[Anonymous No.11206847]

>>11206842
>You need to convince ME it's in MY best interest to stop eating meat before I'll ever consider going vegan.
That's what happened, but then you disregarded it as "don't care".

[Anonymous No.11206849]

>>11206469
>>11206440

I just looked it up.
The baby developed "dermatitis" (i dont know i dont care about translation) so the medic recommended removing the milk for the diet and using an alternative (almond milk).
It wasnt because the fathers went full retard, but by a medic with little to none knowledge about diets giving diet advice.
Its not fake news tho.

[Anonymous No.11206850]

>>11206839
>We're here to prove that veganism is the superior diet.
Superior to what? The average western fast food diet with too much meat? Sure thing.

Compared to eating mostly crops and small amounts of meat, locally raised? Absoloutely not, at least from a health or enviornmental harm perspective. My winter pig causes a lot less death and suffering than your supermarket veggies shipped in from the other half the world so you can buy tomatoes in january.

[Anonymous No.11206853]

>>11206850
>Absoloutely not, at least from a health or enviornmental harm perspective.
Fake news.

[Anonymous No.11206856]

>>11206843
>>get BTFO
>>quick, deflect by posting a silly reaction image and make a joke!

I guess you ran out of logical arguments, huh?

[Anonymous No.11206857]

>>11205278
I hope you all die. You're worse than Jehovah's witnesses. All you people do is try to convince already healthy individuals to switch to your lame hippy diet. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.11206861]

>>11206856
>make a retarded, edgy post
>get squirmy as fuck when that is pointed out

[Anonymous No.11206864]

>>11206857
For the good of everyone and everything.

[Anonymous No.11206868]

>>11206845
I have seen that on a few magazines but have only had one person talk about it. I explained how unhealthy it sounded and that variety is king but they were all up in arms about what they'd read on their facebook.

[Anonymous No.11206869]

>>11206847
That means I wasn't convinced.

[Anonymous No.11206875]

>>11206869
Because you cannot be convinced. Which is why I was wondering, why argue?
Truth doesn't work on you, you're an idiot that knowingly makes bad choices, you see.

[Anonymous No.11206881]

>>11206875
Not that anon but can you convince me as well?

[Anonymous No.11206885]

>>11206875
What truth? Meat is bad for me? Acceptable. Bad for the environment? Doesn't matter enough to me. Unnecessary? Irrelevant.

Everyone can be convinced with the right argument.

[Anonymous No.11206887]

>>11206868
Yeah it's fine for a short quick weight loss thing, but using it for more than 3 months is dumb

[Anonymous No.11206891]

>>11206881
Sure. It takes about n tries to learn to like a new food.
>Decent exposure

>Repeated exposure to pretty much any kind of stimulus brings a familiarity that breeds quite the opposite of contempt. One 2010 study showed that repeated tasting increased a liking for vegetables (except peppers, weirdly) among nine-and-10-year olds. "I believe that the same methods would work with adults though I don't know of any studies with adults," says Professor Jane Wardle of the Health Behaviour Research Centre, at UCL in London. It took just nine or 10 tries before the children said they liked the veg. Some even ticked the "like a lot" box.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2013/feb/26/healthy-food-train-yourself-like-it
So if you're also going with the "I like the taste", then think first.

I think there's another study about this somewhere but cba finding it.
It is objectively the right choice, when it comes to diets.

[Anonymous No.11206895]

>>11206891
>like a new food
Wait full stop. I eat an excellent variety of things, not just meat. I eat healthy and am in fine shape; why must I suddenly now become vegan?

[Anonymous No.11206898]

>>11206891
Also a study based on 10 year olds being force fed something doesn't exactly... mean anything. At all.

Please continue?

[Anonymous No.11206901]

>>11206895
Because it is healthier, better for the environment, and you don't need to eat meat, the production of which causes misery among farm animals. In short, eating meat is cruel.

>>11206898
Well, what's your motive for eating meat? And why can't you stop?

[Anonymous No.11206909]

>>11206901
Animals do not hold the same value to me as other human beings. Diversity in your diet including meat is the reason man evolved to be what we are today.
>what is your motive for eating meat
It tastes smells and even looks good.
>why cant you stop
Why would I want to.

This started as 'convince me' and immediately turned into emotional pandering.

[Anonymous No.11206921]

>>11206909
Like I said, there is no way to convince an idiot. What do you expect me to say here? That it will grow your penis by 15 inches? Forget it. You're an idiot. If you choose to make a bad decision, then go right ahead. And close the door behind you.

[Anonymous No.11206927]

>>11206921
You gave up extremely quickly and immediately turned to name calling.
What is your problem?

The issue with this is that it's entirely opinion and preference. If you think someone who doesn't agree with you are lesser then you can hit me with that unfriend button bucko.

[Anonymous No.11206937]

>>11206853
>>Fake news
Source: My ass.

I live on 4 acres. I grow most of my own veggies and I keep pigs and chickens.

How much fertilizer do I buy? Zero. How much animal feed go I buy? Zero. How much gasoline or diesel is used to bring me my food? Zero. How much fertilizer runoff is on my hands? Zero.

How does that compare to you, vegan boy? You need a fleet of big smoke-belching trucks and ships to bring you produce in winter. I eat my pig and root vegetables I saved from the fall.

[Anonymous No.11206940]

>>11206861
You might call it edgy or insult it, but it's certainnly not wrong.

Once again you can only resort to insults because you have no logical counterargument. Your butt must be really sore right now.

[Anonymous No.11206945]

>>11206937
Unironically this but I also wonder if they realize how many of these places are straight up sweatshops. Shrimp is by far the worst but people get paid pennies a day for cultivation.
>Grown in California!*
>'Attention: this product was produced in ecuador'
Whelp.

[Anonymous No.11206947]

>>11206927
But it isn't "entirely opinion and preference".
There's the right, good choice: being vegan. Good for the environment, health, and cruelty free.
And then there's the other: being an ignorant carnie like yourself. Someone who "likes to eat meat."
That pretty much sums up the debate so far.

>>11206937
uh oh. took approx 4 seconds

[Anonymous No.11206961]

>>11206947
>climate impact
You're assuming we care. Most of us don't. In fact, depending on where you live, environmental change can potentially be objectively a good thing for you.

[Anonymous No.11206975]

>>11206961
Super intense storm systems isnt good for anyone anywhere. The rising acidity of the ocean and dumping of fresh water from the melting ice caps fucks everyone up. Climate change isnt good for anyone because adjusting to it is going to cost untold amounts of money in every country

[Anonymous No.11206976]

>>11206961
fake news.

[Anonymous No.11206979]

>>11206947
>good for the environment
Howso.
>health
Diversity of diet is king.
>cruelty free
I think this is what it mostly comes from. People don't want that guilt and think that if they abstain from it they get some browniepoints.
>And then there's the other: being an ignorant carnie like yourself. Someone who "likes to eat meat."
Which you still can't refute or explain why it's bad. And I thought vegans were supposed to be relaxed and calm.

Also your graph about greenhouse gases.... Do you understand what climate change is? It's not global warming you fool. A single volcano going off in iceland a few years ago bumped more emissions into the atmosphere than 40 industrial revolutions to current; in a single day.

Give me some actual convincing besides your feelings and some halfassed speculations about logistics.

[Anonymous No.11206984]

>>11206975
actually ice caps grow from the center and lose their edges all the time...
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

What's it like standing on a soapbox for something you've been brainwashed into believing in so hard?

[Anonymous No.11206989]

>>11206979
> A single volcano going off in iceland a few years ago bumped more emissions into the atmosphere than 40 industrial revolutions to current; in a single day.
And? Because a natural disaster occurs that means human made disasters are allowed to wreak havoc as well?

[Anonymous No.11206992]

>>11206989
It means our greenhouse gas emissions, while certainly not inexistant, are negligible.

[Anonymous No.11206994]

>>11206947
So, thus far your arguments all boil down to a spook. You haven't convinced any rational egoists today. You might want to try to argue more along the lines of "you get to bang hot vegan chicks in college."

[Anonymous No.11206997]

>>11206984
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
Outer sheets have been melting at increased levels for decades now

[Anonymous No.11207002]

>>11206979
>Diversity of diet is king.
that doesn't include meat.
>All red meat is risky, a study finds
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/13/health/la-he-red-meat-20120313

>Howso.
fucking really? c'mon.

>>11206994
>I don't "believe" in climate change, or ANYTHING bad about eating meat
>convince me otherwise
this is you on flight-or-flight response

[Anonymous No.11207005]

>>11206989
Wreak havoc on whom? A large part of my country's economy is exporting water management solutions. I myself took many transnational water management courses during my master's. More problems to solve means more job opportunities for me.

[Anonymous No.11207006]

>>11206992
Compared to a massive volcano erupting? No fucking shit you idiot, but that was one event

[Anonymous No.11207008]

>>11207002
>red meat is bad
Yes, we know. Everyone knows this, and has known for a while.
Remind me again, is red meat the only kind of meat there is ?

[Anonymous No.11207012]

>>11206975
Lol that creates jobs but really it's actually just typical rain systems and the news hyping up category 1 hurricanes to Harvey or Katrina levels for ratings. Also we are able to track storms better and sooner now then ever before in the history of mankind. Ask any sailor storms out at sea are always pretty strong we can see the ones headed towards land now before they lose power and look intimidating if they touch down with such intense force but as they move they loose alot of wind speed

[Anonymous No.11207014]

>>11207002
see
>>11207005
I want climate change to happen. It pays my bills. Meat still tastes good enough to overshadow any detriment to my health. Now give me something I want. Bribe me into going vegan.

[Anonymous No.11207015]

>>11206989
Are you doing this on purpose? You went from saying you couldnt be bothered trying to convince someone to being the biggest hypocrite on the face of the planet...
>>11206997
Yes the planet is getting warmer. It does this from time to time in a cycle.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9912-timeline-climate-change/

Look at the graph and tell me what you think is going to happen next. Please. You were all about facts but now that they're overwhelmingly not in your favor you don't care.

[Anonymous No.11207016]

>>11207006
>a massive volcano erupting
>that was one event
Dude, that volcanic eruption was fucking tiny. They only talked about it so much because it screwed up air traffic between the US and Europe. This literally happens every year somewhere in the world.

[Anonymous No.11207024]

>>11207008
So you don't eat red meat?

The nutrients found in any sort of meat can be substituted by veggies and legume and whatever. No need to eat meat. That argument is superstition at best.

[Anonymous No.11207027]

>>11207002
I'm sorry but where is the actual study? It was a questionnaire. It was a poll put up by harvard for people who weren't dead to answer.

>Carol Koprowski, a professor of preventive medicine at USC's Keck School of Medicine who wasn't involved in the research, cautioned that it can be hard to draw specific conclusions from a study like this because there can be a lot of error in the way diet information is recorded
Is this a joke anon? A single disputed 'study' of a questionnaire?

[Anonymous No.11207033]

>>11207024
>just eat this instead of that
But I like that. I'm fine with this too, but that is good as well.
>>11207016
Exactly. Human pollution is entirely negligible and trivial.

[Anonymous No.11207038]

>>11207024
>No need to eat meat
I'll humor you for a minute. Even though what you're saying is wrong, let's pretend it's true. Let's pretend there is literally no need to eat meat.
How is it relevant ? Do you only do things you "need" to do, and avoid anything you don't "need" ?

[Anonymous No.11207049]

>>11207024
>The nutrients found in any sort of meat can be substituted by veggies and legume and whatever.

Not as effectively. Many nutrients are far more bioaviable from meat sources than from plant ones.

Why wouldn't you use the more efficient method? Sort of like how you're using the internet now instead of smoke signals despite the fact the internet runs on pollution.

[Anonymous No.11207051]

>>11207014
Your view is naive.
Nevertheless, other people will not be better off after climate change, which will affect you negatively as well.

>>11207038
I do the right thing. And not forcing animals into cages n shit is definitely better than the alternative, no? There's also the environmental impact.

[Anonymous No.11207054]

>>11207002
Wait that study is based on the info that a person eats meat for every meal every day.... What in the fuck?
>gluttonous fat idiots are more likely to die because they're fat and gluttonous
No shit retard.

[Anonymous No.11207055]

>>11207049
>Why wouldn't you use the more efficient method?
Then why not get all your vitamins via vitamin shots? The efficient way isn't always the best way.

[Anonymous No.11207063]

>>11207051
>animals in cages
Here we go again with your attempt at emotional manipulation.

Why do you cherrypick which posts to respond to? Stop or go away. I'm fine with vegans but don't start this 'holier than thou' shit with people outside your facebook friends circle.

[Anonymous No.11207065]

>>11207054
>>11207027
https://www.zmescience.com/science/red-meat-bad-cancer-25052018/
>Bad news for meat lovers: no amount of bacon or sausage is safe, cancer report concludes
If you bothered, you'd find that there's plenty of evidence that red meat is bad for you.

[Anonymous No.11207066]

>>11207051
>I do the right thing
What you consider to be the right thing might not be what I consider to be the right thing. As multiple anons are currently stating, the environmental impact, while real, is negligible. And as for the cruelty argument, just like most humans, I don't care for creatures that aren't part of my own species. Doing so is a mental illness known as pathological altruism.

[Anonymous No.11207067]

>>11207051
>I do the right thing
Only when it suits you. You object to meat eating because of the harm it causes but you seem to have no problem with the harm caused by other modern conveinences like portable electronics. Do the animals and people poisoned by the mining and refining of elements used to make batteries and computer chips not bleed just as red as a beef cow?

>>Forcing animals into cages and shit
I agree, that's horrible. Thankfully, we have other options for meat that are not factory farming. Why are you pretending they don't exist?

[Anonymous No.11207073]

>>11207063
>Why do you cherrypick which posts to respond to?
Because there's 50 of you retards asking the SAME questions OVER AND OVER. Simply a matter of what I want to spend my time on, obviously.

[Anonymous No.11207077]

>>11207055
>Then why not get all your vitamins via vitamin shots?
Shots are nowhere near efficient. Think about how much resources and energy are required to refine the nutrients and formulate the supplements in the first place. Then package them, ensure safety, manufacture the containers used to transport the supplement, the manufacturing of the syringes used to inject it, etc. That's the opposite of efficient.

[Anonymous No.11207079]

>>11207066
easy 3 for veganism:
environmental impact
health
cruelty

easy 3 for carnies:
uhh
ohh
muh flavor and da global warming hoax n sheit

[Anonymous No.11207083]

>>11207016
Tiny compared to what exactly? Larger volcanoes? That doesnt actually mean anything

[Anonymous No.11207086]

>>11207077
If you take that same logic, and apply it to meat production, you see that growing plants is more efficient than first growing animals to eat some shit and then eating the animal.

[Anonymous No.11207087]

>>11207079
It's called "doing whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm anybody". Emphasis on "body". Which is how 99% of humanity operates.

[Anonymous No.11207089]

>>11207051
Clinate change isn't real no matter how much you want for it to be ya brainwashed retard

[Anonymous No.11207098]

>>11205278
Lol @ blogs
Why are vegans so deluded? Is it the vitamin and cholesterol deficiencies? Or are they just naturally gullible?

[Anonymous No.11207099]

>>11207079
That doesn't make sense though.
>>enviornmental
Small scale, local, farms that raise mostly crops and a small number of animals are even better. They can run in a closed loop requiring no outside fertilizer or feed. That's far better than agriculture alone which is dependant on petroleum-derived fertilizers and pesticides.

>Health
A low-meat diet is healthier than a no-meat diet

>Cruelty
Meat doesn't have to come from factory farms. See the point above.

Why do you keep repeating the same lies over and over again?

[Anonymous No.11207100]

>>11207083
It means that this eruption, while pretty average in size, still emitted an absurdly huge amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, dozens of times more than what humans have emitted since the industrial revolution.
The point of this eruption being tiny is that several such eruptions happen every year.
In other words, our greenhouse gas emissions are almost completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11207101]

>>11207087
>doing whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm anybody
except the environment, and everyone affected by it (everyone).
And, it harms YOU. Veganism is the heathier choice.

[Anonymous No.11207108]

>>11207099
Meat production like that is physically impossible on a global scale.

[Anonymous No.11207112]

>>11205368

[Anonymous No.11207115]

>>11207086
>If you take that same logic, and apply it to meat production, you see that growing plants is more efficient than first growing animals to eat some shit and then eating the animal.

Sounds like you don't know shit about small-scale farming then. The two go hand-in-hand. You grow crops and a small number of animals. The animals eat the parts of the crops which humans cannot (i.e. you grow turnips. You eat the roots, the pigs and cows get the greens). And on the other side, the animal manure is used to fertilize the farm fields. This is how humans lived until the industrial revolution. It is by far the most efficient method, and the one which causes the least enviornmental harm. 100% nature. No chemical-plant fertilizers to run off and kill fish. No chemical-laden animal feed. Just the circle of life.

[Anonymous No.11207121]

>>11207073
Well no, during our conversation it was just you and me. Now there are two other people pointing out how much of a dick you're being.
I'm sorry if you can't follow a conversation. Maybe you need a more diverse diet to increase brain function? It will take some time though, it's not instantaneous.
>>11207065
>specifically red processed meat
Do you even know what that article is referring to?...
I can barely read the article through all the pop ups but thanks for whatever that was.
All I can make out is that it was written by 'mihai andries' who went to a tech robotics college. Surely a note of validation on 'zmescience'.

Can I get an actual piece of that plentiful evidence besides speculation?

And if it is bad for you, how do you ascertain that? Do you pull out a corpses dip-stick and go 'ah, too much red meat. Otherwise extremely healthy but that red meat did him in.'

You've very vapid about this.

[Anonymous No.11207123]

>>11207108
It certainly is possible. Though it does mean people have to eat less meat than the average Western fatty.

[Anonymous No.11207124]

>>11207115
>It is by far the most efficient method
No it isn't. It was the most efficient method. It hasn't been that for tens of years, probably. Stopping meat production would literally feed the world.

[Anonymous No.11207125]

>>11207108
Not that anon but what? Why would it not.
Sick refutation.

[Anonymous No.11207130]

>be vegan cycling with about 10 carniecucks
>Everyone stopped for snacks, see rabbit with swollen eyes
>someone phones RSPCA, they say to euthanise it
>Nah let's just leave it bros
>C-c-can someone else do it?
>Is there a vet nearby
>End up doing it myself cause carniecucks couldn't get a fucking grip

Pic related, got it first time with a large rock but did about 10 to make sure. Carniecucks irl are legitimately just soyboys who are fine letting other people do the killing but are too pussy to do it themselves. And the people I was with were fit and healthy, with ordinary people who do no exercise it would be even more ridiculous

[Anonymous No.11207131]

>>11207124
Howso. All that cattle space taking up too much of the range?
There is no food shortage issue, it's about availability silly.

[Anonymous No.11207132]

>>11207123
Means that 90% of the world will be meat-free, is my guess. Not to mention the economical counter-incentives. It will never happen = it is impossible

[Anonymous No.11207136]

>>11207130
I have killed and butchered my own meat. Next.

[Anonymous No.11207138]

>>11207130
gross. I think you're supposed to aim for the spine/neck, not the face.

[Anonymous No.11207139]

>>11207124
>Stopping meat production would literally feed the world
But the world is already being fed. In fact, given the enormous increase in population over the last century, we're even producing a gigantic food surplus.

[Anonymous No.11207141]

>>11207136
This is about 10 percent of carnies tops, realistically about 3 percent. There were 10 people there and I think only 1 other MIGHT have done it if I didn't

[Anonymous No.11207142]

>>11207124
The thing is that you don't need to stop meat production. You also don't want to stop it. The idea is to maintain the correct ratio between meat and crops so that you aren't dependent on chemical fertilizers for your crops which are an enviornmental disaster in and out of themselves.

A low-meat mostly-crop system is far more enviornmenally friendly system than a no-meat all-crop one.

>>11207132
Your "Guess" is missing the point. Meat needs to be everywhere, because those animals are key to farming efficiently. Everybody would be eating meat, just small amounts and infrequently.

>>economical counter-incentives
What? That method is the most economical because there are no industrial fertilizer costs

>>It will never happen= it is impossible
No different than the veganism you are preaching. Well, actually, its better since the system I am discussing results in less enviornmental harm, a more nutritious diet, and people still get to enjoy the taste of meat.

[Anonymous No.11207145]

>>11207138
No one knew how to do it lol. Aimed for the brain to make no mistakes

[Anonymous No.11207149]

>>11207139
There has been an increase in people starving for the last few years, unfortunately. But that was more of an allegory, anyways.

[Anonymous No.11207151]

>>11207138
You're not supposed to use a rock. You snap the neck. Fucking idiots I swear.

>>11207141
And that matters....why? People are pussies, I agree. That doesn't change anything.

[Anonymous No.11207152]

>>11207100
But that's not true. You're picking a natural disaster occurring and comparing it to a society that should be doing it's best to negate impact on the environment around it. A society that has made incredible strides in technology in the last 100 years

[Anonymous No.11207156]

>>11207142
>What? That method is the most economical because there are no industrial fertilizer costs
No it isn't. Industrial fertilizer is worth the money. You think producers are buying it at a loss? Are you actually trying to prove that modern day food production isn't as efficient as possible, besides not producing meat?
fda would like your phone number, I guess.

[Anonymous No.11207159]

>>11207130
Anon the easiest way to have done this was, and I know this will sound bad; gripping the head and making a quick jerking flailing motion to break the neck and sever the spine.
It doesn't look pretty but it is a quick and instant death, and then you also have time to dress and process your kill before taking it back to be skinned.

Now you just look like a lunatic and the people you hang out with are pussies.

[Anonymous No.11207164]

>>11207156
>No it isn't. Industrial fertilizer is worth the money.
But not the enviornmental harm. Isnt't that the whole goal? To discuss what diet causes the least harm to the planet?

A low-meat mostly-crop system based on traditional agriculture causes less enviornmental harm than an all-crop one dependant on industrial fertilizer. That's my point. By "Efficiency" I mean which system optimizes food output vs. harm, not food output vs. the dollar.

[Anonymous No.11207168]

>>11207159
Is touching a rabbit with swollen eyes really something advisable? I would've rocked it as well, desu. Might catch some nasty disease, no?

[Anonymous No.11207181]

>>11207124
Here in the Netherlands we are going back to this, but organised on a national scale. And we are the world's #2 agricultural exporter.

[Anonymous No.11207192]

>>11207164
sounds awful lot like bro-tier science to me.

[Anonymous No.11207195]

>>11207168
A disease from what. What about swollen eyes makes something deserve to die. Glaucoma?
But yes the idea that a rabbit would be easily walked up on and struck indicates some kind of disease or misgiving. Smashing it infront of a bunch of your pussy friends who want to just let it go on the other hand is serial killer tier.

[Anonymous No.11207212]

>>11207195
like rabies or some shit, obviously. What am I, a vet? Why would you take a chance on that. That's dumb and obviously not worth it.

[Anonymous No.11207217]

>>11207212
>what am I a vet? It's some rabbit that looks like it has swollen eyes so I beat it to death with a rock
Gotcha...

[Anonymous No.11207218]

>>11207212
>rabbit
>rabies
Are you retarded ? No, really. Are you ?

[Anonymous No.11207224]

>>11207212
>swollen eyes
>easily approached and caught
>rabies
You don't know shit about a lot of things, do you.

[Anonymous No.11207230]

>>11207212
>rabies
Do you know what rabies is, and how it spreads ? Or are you completely braindead ?

[Anonymous No.11207242]

>>11207195
This is what it looked like before, and it was clearly starving. It's a famous disease called myxamatosis, artificially introduced to kill them.

>pussy friends who want to just let it go on the other hand is serial killer tier.

Why do carnies have to false flag constantly? You can find out what it is from a quick Google search, and after talking to the RSPCA (and the an board) they said to kill it instead of letting it starve for weeks. The people i was with didn't kill it because they were too pussy, not cause they thought it would live. Everyone was on agreement to kill it after the RSPCA said so.

[Anonymous No.11207252]

>>11207242
>mercy-killing a fucking wild rabbit
Something would have eaten it, you fucking idiot.