/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11192509]

Give me your favorite argument against veganism, /ck/.
Filthy urbanite vegan niggers think their lifestyle is more ethical than me raising my own animals. They're also anti-rodeo, which is anti-American.

[Anonymous No.11192517]

>Rodeo
>American

Sure thing, Jose.

[Anonymous No.11192518]

>>11192517
You're thinking of charreada.

[Anonymous No.11192526]

>>11192509
The ARE better than you. Probably about time to just accept it.

[Anonymous No.11192529]

>>11192509
I mean you can't deny that's pretty cute.

[Anonymous No.11192547]

>>11192509
the best argument has always been. meat tastes great and no plant can replace the taste of the varieties of flavors meat provides.

[Anonymous No.11192550]

Humans have the anatomy for it, therefore we should eat it. It has different properties than plants. Also, the best nutrition comes from diversity of food and food sources. Humans are basically fine as long as they dont eat just one thing

[Anonymous No.11192568]

>>11192509
Humans can't digest plants, but the gut bacteria we have can. As much of a fucking slerg sv3rige is watch his videos that just compile vegans. These people shovel literal pounds of food through their digestive pipes every day and absorb nearly none of it. They're starving to death while being gluttenous at the same time. It's truly lovecraftian.

[Anonymous No.11192583]

Your lifestyle is my what I use as my argument against veganism. We shouldn't stop eating meat, we should eat less and have some say in the life sacrificed to make your meal happen. Being a omnivore carries the responsibility of knowing that meat is murder and that's it's fucking delicious with BBQ sauce. Vegans are just too weak to carry that conscience.

[Anonymous No.11192621]

Veganism is the unholy bastard child of slave morality and self hatred.

[Anonymous No.11192645]

I don't care about animals.
There you go, 90 % of vegan arguments refuted.

[Anonymous No.11192653]

>>11192509
>argument against veganism
Taste

[Anonymous No.11192711]

College classmate went full vegan. Soon she was demanded we stop eating meat, and become as preachy and obsessive as her.
In only a few weeks her dorm mate couldn't handle her attitude or the smell.
About two months into this mental illness, lost a lot of weight(she was slender to start with), having alienated people she knew, and people she didn't...
she was found dead in her car in the college parking lot, blood splattered all over.
She had become so ill, and malnourished, that her insides had cracked, she vomited blood everywhere and died from exsanguination.
Those of us that knew her, in her memory promised each other to be healthy and never go vegan.

[Anonymous No.11192737]

>>11192509
Human raised animals are killed quickly. Not necessarily painlessly, but close to it, and relatively quickly. I mean, have you seen predators take down prey in nature? It gets eaten alive. And as soon as we fix the industry, they'll all live far better than they could in the wild. Some of them do now, but not all.

[Anonymous No.11192756]

>>11192711
Do you expect anyone to believe that she showed these kind of symptoms after two months?

[Anonymous No.11192975]

DHA
Shit is essential for the brain function.
Shit is essential for the development nervous system of an embryo.
Vegans have some shitty replacement and their mental function suffers.
Vegan mothers give birth to children with underdeveloped brains

[Anonymous No.11193005]

I don't want to eat Vegetarians, that's cannibalism.

[Anonymous No.11193025]

>>11192509
There are two main types of vegan; ethical and dietry:

>ETHICAL (most annoying)
>animal living conditions are poor
You have a choice over where you source meat and fish from.
>killing is wrong
Killing is necessary and the only difference between meat eaters and non meat eaters is where they draw the line. Meat eaters have higher standards for what counts as a "valuable life". A pig might have the intelligence of a 3 year old, but a 3 year old will eventually become a 4 year old. Vegans have a tendency to project their consciousness onto animals, they have hyper-empathy. They think that given the mind of a cow they'd do anything other than blindly and unintelligently follow their instincts to eat all day. Furthermore livestock animals would cease to exist outside the zoo if humans didn't find them useful (diet, industry, consumer products).
>raising a life purely for slaughter is wrong
Then you would still be free to eat game meats, so adopting the vegan label is purely cosmetic.
>no other animal does [x] (drink milk etc)
Opera, buildings, space travel etc (this one isn't hard)
>pets
Pets taste bad and have uneconomical yield.
>ecological imapct
What makes them think we can't handle current water usage? Water not used in 1st world doesn't teleport to the 3rd world where they need it. In regards to atmospheric damage, as them if they drive a car. If they don't, ask them if they take flights for holidays, the points is that it only looks like a large proportion by cheating and not including larger influences.

>Dietry (least annoying)
Alright man that's not my diet so I don't care lol.

kk hope this helps dont mind the reddit spacing.

[Anonymous No.11193040]

>>11192509
Veganism is a political ideology, part of the neo-marxist suite of nonthinking.

[Anonymous No.11193133]

>>11192509
Vegans care more about "much animals" than how shitty the agriculture industry can be for individual workers..
Just google how Tyson screws over their chicken farmers endlessly
Or you can just google what a Banana Republic is

[Anonymous No.11193167]

>>11192509

[Anonymous No.11193228]

>>11192509
You only live once. Eat whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.11193244]

veganism makes you sickly.

there is nothing wrong eating eggs.
there is nothing wrong drinking milk.
as long as you don't bully the animals producing it.
What will be vegan next goal once they prevent humans from eating animal products, prenventin dog and other carnivore to it other animals.

vegans = cultist fascist nature denier.
non dogmatic vegetarians are the master race of tree-huggers, not vegan filth.

[Anonymous No.11193269]

>>11192583
I would agree. We have become pretty callous about the fact that meat comes from a living breathing thing.

There's nothing wrong with eating meat because it's natural, but there is something wrong about mass producing meat in inhumane conditions so everyone can eat it several times a day and not bother to think about where it comes from.

[Anonymous No.11193274]

>>11192509
There is no argument
Animals were placed on Earth by God so that we can eat them and become big and strong to worship God better
Being a vegan, might aswell be a banana anal athiest (((thinker)))

[Anonymous No.11193275]

>>11192509
Animal products just provide things that benefit us which can't be gotten from plants. Right now the best thing to do is eat animal products moderately and from good sources, but vegans are right that the death required isn't necessarily a good thing, and we should work toward lab-grown meat.

[Anonymous No.11193277]

>>11193275
>le lab grown xddd
Ok. Enjoy your soy infused meat u mega cuck

[Anonymous No.11193295]

>>11193277
??? lab-grown meat is real meat, there's no soy in it

[Anonymous No.11193314]

theres no way to ethically cleanse the livestock that overpopulates even us without consequences worldwide, why not just use the several thousand year old system of sustaining husband animals until theyre old, and then eating them?
it's called mutton in the 3rd world, ya mong bitch
you're all too lazy to break down the vampiric global food industry and steal yourselves a free cow

[Anonymous No.11193315]

>>11192509
>favorite argument
There literally aren’t any though...

[Anonymous No.11193320]

>>11192568
6 ft 200lbs 6 year vegan here.
I wish that was true.

[Anonymous No.11193329]

I like death
I like the idea that something or someone died to make my life just a little better
I hope we end up burning the planet in nuclear fire sometime soon

[Anonymous No.11193357]

plants are smarter than animals

[Anonymous No.11193619]

>>11193320
Same, 6'2 here.
There's also a 6'8 or something vegan here.
In all honesty this argument is stupid because plants, fruits, oils, nuts, etc have massive amounts of calories. You can tell these typical American-diet fatfucks don't understand anything about nutrition or their diet.

[Anonymous No.11193779]

>>11193619
You cant fucking absorb them retard

[Anonymous No.11193826]

>>11192509

[Anonymous No.11193847]

>>11192509
Over population, we stop eating animals and we start sharing apartments with coyotes and bears. Just the other day went for a run with the wife in a park near our house. She starts to pick up speed as I'm cooking down, see a coyote and it starts stalking her. I run up to her and point it out and we scare it back into the woods. Called the city to let them know and get automated message.
>Coyotes are our Freund's
>We share the city with them
>Please give them distance and leave them alone
>*Click*
Next day that same coyote gets in my yard.
It needs to be killed.

[Anonymous No.11193852]

Does this board even have mods? What a pile of garbage.

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[Anonymous No.11193891]

>>11193852
The water is turning the friggen mods vegan man.

[Anonymous No.11193944]

>>11192509
Humans are not the only creatures that eat meat. What fucking sense does it make to swear off meat when it is a necessary part of our diet and a something that is perfectly natural in other animals?

Go watch clips of predators hunting prey for a couple minutes. The world is nothing but animals eating other animals and a hungry lion doesn't give a single fuck about how cute the baby antelopes are. Why should we be held to a different standard to the rest of the animal kingdom? To refuse meat is to refuse nature.

[Anonymous No.11193959]

>>11192550
>Humans have the anatomy for it

Huh?

[Anonymous No.11193970]

>>11193944
Because *we have logic and reasoning. Do you clean your asshole with your tongue too?

[Anonymous No.11193980]

>>11193970
How does that affect what we eat? Would the worlds smartest lion swear off meat if it possessed logic and reason?

[Anonymous No.11193995]

>>11193980
>How does that affect what we eat
That’s not what you asked. This isn’t a question of why humans behave.

>would the smartest lion
Are you a lion? Are you a carnivorous animal with razor sharp teeth and claws that tears through flesh like tissue paper?

[Anonymous No.11194005]

>>11192509
I dont even argue with them anymore. let them enjoy their early onset alzheimers and dementia + digestive cancers.

Animals are property, end of discussion.

[Anonymous No.11194008]

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[Anonymous No.11194013]

>>11194005
>i get triggered into submission by vegans

[Anonymous No.11194014]

>>11193995
We can eat meat as part of our diet and it doesn't kill us. Period

[Anonymous No.11194019]

>>11194014
Well yeah, the heart disease, cancer, and neurodegenerative

[Anonymous No.11194025]

>>11194008
That’s a really good point

[Anonymous No.11194029]

>>11194013
Not one of them acknowledge that including meats and animal fats/proteins on any level is strictly beneficial. (Which is, has been and always will be fact.)

So they just have no brain stems and aren't worth trying to convince anything about.

[Anonymous No.11194031]

>>11194019
>>11194025

[Anonymous No.11194037]

>>11194029
Clogged arteries! Mmmm!!

[Anonymous No.11194039]

>>11194037
I mean, for real dude?

[Anonymous No.11194043]

>>11194039
I mean, like, dude, like?

[Anonymous No.11194054]

>>11192509
>Give me your favorite argument against veganism, /ck/.

While I can concede that vegans make some valid points regarding eating mammals and possibly even birds, I draw the line at simple invertebrates.

Vegans will never, under any circumstances, convince me there is anything morally wrong with eating shrimp, crab, lobster, shellfish, etc. Their nervous systems are too simple to experience pain at being killed or to suffer from the conditions they're raised in if they are farmed.

[Anonymous No.11194064]

>>11194054
Simple nervous systems dont rule out sensations or overall psychological feelings.

[Anonymous No.11194075]

>>11192509
We are part of the world, not above it. Thinking that eating other animals is unethical is very pretentious and out of touch

[Anonymous No.11194089]

>>11194075
the tread asked for your best arguments, not your worst, anon

[Anonymous No.11194092]

>>11194064
There has never been a single conclusive study that shows that simple invertebrates are capable of feeling pain.

[Anonymous No.11194098]

>>11194092
Its a controversial issue with mixed results with a lot of emphasis on that they perceive pain like humans do which isn’t likely

[Anonymous No.11194115]

>>11194098
Exactly my point. If conclusive evidence comes along that shrimp can feel pain, I'll quit eating them. But I'm not going to live my life based on guesses and maybes.

I mean if we're going down that rabbit hole, who's to say plants don't feel pain?

[Anonymous No.11194124]

>>11192509
Death tastes exquisite.

[Anonymous No.11194142]

Haha another vegan vs. carnivore thread. HAHA!

[Anonymous No.11194145]

>>11194115
>exactly my point
Its a pretty poor point since youve proven nothing and since pain reception shouldn’t be some end all considering they experience fear and reality in general. There’s flimsy evidence that they don’t feel pain. So why are you choosing the choice to eat them? It’s logically inconsistent

>who’s to say plants dont feel pain
Actual established science. And considering the overwhelming majority of animals you eat majorly subside on plants youd still be causing less suffering by only consuming plants

[Anonymous No.11194159]

>>11194145
>Its a pretty poor point since youve proven nothing

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm simply pointing out what has or hasn't been proven.

>considering they experience fear and reality in general.

Yeah, this hasn't been proven either.

>Actual established science. And considering the overwhelming majority of animals you eat majorly subside on plants youd still be causing less suffering by only consuming plants

So you're fine eating some things that feel pain but not others. And you're accusing me of being logically inconsistent?

[Anonymous No.11194301]

>>11194089
But is true, veganism is a rebellion against nature thinking that “We don’t need it, we have science™“ and then stuff their faces with lab-grown meat and other substitutes

[Anonymous No.11194308]

>>11194159
>that hasn’t been proven either
My point. You choose the objectively worse moral alternative to a controversial subject

Why do you continue to evade every actual point i make?

>that feel pain
I literally just said plants dont feel pain and even if they did youd still be causing less suffering by eating them exclusively

Try reading

[Anonymous No.11194316]

ironically if everyone magically became vegan tomorrow we'd have to slaughter every single livestock animal on the planet, because releasing them into public lands would be a disaster. There are over 90 million cattle in the US alone.

[Anonymous No.11194318]

>>11194308
You'd cause less suffering if you walked out into the woods and offed yourself. Why don't you?

[Anonymous No.11194333]

>>11192568
lol go on okc you'll see how common fat vegans are
ive yet to see an obese one but plenty of chubs and fattys

[Anonymous No.11194385]

I don't need an argument against veganism. I don't care if people want to be vegan, that's fine, nothing wrong with that. But I see nothing morally wrong with slaughtering animals for meat, nor with using milk or eggs, so I continue to use animal products.

[Anonymous No.11194435]

>>11194318
Ooh, someone got BTFO :)

Drink your milk little fat bitch

[Anonymous No.11194790]

"Who cares."

[Anonymous No.11194868]

How can you tell if someone isn't a vegetarian?

Don't worry, they'll tell you, start threads on /ck/ about it and continue belching their idea that non-meat eaters try to force their way of life onto them.

[Anonymous No.11194886]

>>11192975
seaweed has dha

[Anonymous No.11194899]

>>11194301
nature isn't inherently good so there's nothing wrong with working against parts of it

[Anonymous No.11194931]

>>11193995
>Chimpanzee
>Frugivore

bruh...

[Anonymous No.11194954]

>>11194931
Frugivore does not mean they dont eat meat nor does it imply behavior. Way to completely and utterly miss the point, retard

[Anonymous No.11194965]

>>11193995
a lot of those comparisons don't matter because we cook our food and have tools

[Anonymous No.11194966]

>>11193228
>not believing in Samsara

[Anonymous No.11194970]

>>11194965
>our physiology doesn’t matter

Ketards

[Anonymous No.11194979]

>>11194970
It does, and what doesn't matter one bit is how the animal feels when it's being slaughtered and eaten. The conquered do not get to decide the fate of the conqueror.

[Anonymous No.11194985]

>>11194979
>physiology doesn’t matter

>no wait it does

Ketards

[Anonymous No.11194994]

:thinking:

[Anonymous No.11194998]

You can't get over 15 nutrients from plants
Not to mention plants themselves all have antinutrients and toxins

[Anonymous No.11195008]

>>11194998
So much this. Stop globalist agenda. QAnon up in this bitch!

[Anonymous No.11195010]

>>11194970
that's not what i said

[Anonymous No.11195015]

>>11195010
Why are you pretending to be me

[Anonymous No.11195018]

>>11195015
i'm not pretending

[Anonymous No.11195019]

taste good

[Anonymous No.11195023]

>>11194899
Then let me eat my red cruelty gelatin in peace

[Anonymous No.11195128]

>>11194301
nice appeal to nature fallacy

[Anonymous No.11195233]

>>11193995
This has gotta be a joke

[Anonymous No.11195260]

>>11195233
No. You’re just ketarded

[Anonymous No.11195285]

>>11194142
>B-but where would I be if I didn't have my particular tribe (carnivore/vegan) to irrationally defend 'cause muh belonging to muh group.
No one wants to reach a middle ground consensus on anything nowadays eventhough the Constitution itself was hammered out through massive compromise. We're doomed to an age of ignorant, pre-renaissance, confederacy of dunces.

[Anonymous No.11195287]

You can't win gold medals on greens alone

[Anonymous No.11195288]

vegetables are not vegan because they are made with animal products ie blood bone meal and fish byproducts in fertilizers

[Anonymous No.11195296]

>>11195285
>le enlightened centrist

Cringe

[Anonymous No.11195421]

>>11195296
>the Constitution based on compromise wasn't enlightened
Enjoy living in your 850 AD Dark Ages.

[Garfelefe 100 No.11195466]

God put animals on the planet for us to consume. Therefore veganism is unholy.

[Anonymous No.11195482]

>>11195421
>he thinks the Constitution is centrist

>he thinks because the Constitution is “centrist” every issue is solved by centrism

[Anonymous No.11195580]

>>11192509
6 people were arrested yesterday in France for vegan terrorism.
They attacked butchers and fishermen.
https://www.france24.com/en/20180912-six-people-detained-france-vegan-vandalism-butchers-mcdonalds

[Anonymous No.11196093]

vegans just like the indulgence of being morally superior when the real ethical endgame would be to re isolate bodily excrement to sustain society, which would be eating meat pretty much

[Anonymous No.11196110]

>>11196093
And it's already been done
>by the chinese ircc
Oh it was actually Japan LMAO

[Anonymous No.11196344]

>>11192509
The taste man
I love animals and don't want to see them butchered, but my taste buds just won't let me quit. Its ironical since my religion requires me to be a lactovegetarian and no one in my family eats meat except me. I eat meat in secret.
I ain't no fruitcake through, I understand the food chain, all animals are food for some other animal, and are killed for sustenance. Humans are pretty smart so we can sustain while not having to butcher other animals.

I'd give up meat from animals in a heartbeat if lab grown meat becomes mainstream. I'll be able to eat without guilt then

[Anonymous No.11196981]

>>11192509
>im not a faggot

[Anonymous No.11197066]

>>11192550
>we should do as our anatomy dictates
That's retard logic. Our eyes can't see the microscopic, should we not use microscopes? A human brain has horrendous computational speed, should we not use computers? We're born naked, should we not be clothed? That adaptation was maintained over years when we couldn't produce our own food, and does not serve as any sort of indication of how we should be eating for survival in the future.
I think our scientific understanding that the environment is going haywire due to rapid anthropogenic change is a far stronger motivator than sharp teefs.

[Anonymous No.11197082]

>>11197066
But your belief that the environment is going haywire due to rapid anthropogenic change is based on faulty science, bad statistics, and straight up propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11197102]

>>11197082
In addition to anthropegenic climate change, irony is an outward symptom of a societal disease afflicting a population devoid of purpose and ethics. It's a fire and ice situation of what will kill us first, though either way there's no stopping this train.

[Anonymous No.11197107]

>>11197066
>Our eyes can't see the microscopic, should we not use microscopes? A human brain has horrendous computational speed, should we not use computers? We're born naked, should we not be clothed?
Those literally aren't logical extrapolations of his statements.

[Anonymous No.11197125]

>>11197107
Only because the literal logical extrapolations sound absurd.
>Humans have hands strong enough to strangle our young, should we strangle our young?
>Humans have fine hairs that can be intertwined to make bird nests, should we make bird nests out of our hair?
These literal extrapolations are ridiculous sounding because the argument is ridiculous. All our anatomy tells us, with some level of certainty, is that these adaptations were advantageous historically. They do not serve as a road map in modern times. We can appreciate the effects of our actions through models rather than poking through our anatomy trying to find justification for our actions.

[Anonymous No.11197129]

Sometimes people compare cats and dogs to farm animals, but cat and dog food is made from farm animals, and they must eat meat or they die.

[Anonymous No.11197142]

>>11197082
Everything is susceptible to bias, error, and agenda. But if you think changing the makeup of the Earth's atmosphere at a much steeper rate than it would change in the absence of human industrialization won't affect the climate substantially, when the atmosphere is more-or-less the only fluctuating variable that affects the climate on a geologic timescale, you're a fool.

[Anonymous No.11197146]

>>11192509
>If you don't like it, don't come to the fucking barbeque, Carol.

That's it. That's all you have to do. If a vegan is getting in your face, just tell them to fuck off. Otherwise, live and let live.

[Anonymous No.11197193]

>>11192509
>we will have food subs in the future anyway, real soon, the technology just isn't there yet. Your desire to 'make an impact' and be part of a revolution and go down in history is even more retarded than capitalism destroying earth piece by piece, because you're not destroying the earth but the minds of it's inhabitants... just so you can feel better about your pitiful non-fulfilling piece of shit life.

>We've literally EVOLVED to eat meat and cook because there's more nutrition for less effort. We wear clothes so we don't have to spend as much energy warming up, we learned to cook to make the nutrients more readily available, all this has coincided to give us the brain power we have today, and now you want to downgrade and become a retarded niqqer again? Well it's not like there's a change in your case, but you're being metaprogrammed and you're not even realizing it. I understand now why you have so much sympathy for cattle, because you are in fact.. cattle.
Domo arigato veggietards.

[Anonymous No.11197206]

>>11197193
>not destroying the earth but the minds of it's inhabitants

[Anonymous No.11197209]

>>11197193
oh yeah forgot the last one

>Do you actually think that cattle are less happy? You're a mongoloid. What's happiness? An emotion. Emotions are products of chemicals. Do you think a cow that's meant for cattle produces less or more of these chemicals? Probably around the same. Just gets released differently in the capitalistic farms (you know.. the unethical ones). Like they're pretty unhappy most of the time until they get that bloody rush when they get their foodsies or their milkingsies, and then go back to being unhappy. Where cows on ethical farms/ranches/whatever'chama retarded american bunghole call it (srsly america, go kill yourself.) will never be unhappy, they can walk around and do cow stuff, everytime they crave they eat. boom satisfaction and the circle goes on. No sweat, no worries. they livin the good life. death? who the fuck cares. everyone dies. it'd rather be killed while happy than when weakened and rotting, seriously. And if we don't have farms at all... cattle will just go extinct. you want that, you fucking murderer? you want to delete an entire (well more than one) race of animal? You're disgusting.

[Anonymous No.11197213]

>>11197206
You're in a pseudo-cult you fucking mongorolloloid.
you don't realize, which is the point.
go fucking hug something in outer space, poor fucking oxygen being misused by the likes of you're entropic being, you fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.11197299]

I'm as omnivorous as they come - however, I have the logical faculties to admit when we're in the wrong.

There is no moral justification for killing and eating another animal.

I get that it tastes good - but thats not a good enough excuse for killing another animal. I know it sucks to admit, but we can get our nutrition from other (albeit bland and tasteless) sources.

[Anonymous No.11197330]

I just reply to every vegan defense with "this has got to be a joke" or a reaction image. It's way easier than finding a defense for everything and makes continuing to delude myself super simple. Who would want to be a vegan anyway? They're all annoying and stuff. Bacon is lief!
I'm you, btw.

[Anonymous No.11197339]

>>11197299
Expect youtube-tier replies that basically boil down to either personal insults, a bold-faced biological lie or, most likely, just a reaction image and someone basically saying "anon..." or "bruh, really?" without any indication they read your whole post.

[Anonymous No.11197410]

>>11192509
Well Plants are alive too, treating them as worse than others, as things instead of living beings, assuming that plant is ok with dying.
Its just immoral.

[Anonymous No.11197465]

>>11197299
>>11197330
>>11197339
If you guys bothered to read the thread instead of having a VIDF kneejerk reaction you'd have found vegans got BTFO very early here:
>>11193025