Who is more annoying now?

[Anonymous No.11112492]

We all know vegans are insufferable but as of late keto fags have become equally as annoying. Which fad diet fags are the worst?

[Anonymous No.11112507]

>>11112492
Neither. Gluten fags. Because Celiac is a real disease that you probably don't have. So twats are not only being twats but they're ruining shit for people with a real medical condition

[Anonymous No.11112508]

meatcucks

[Anonymous No.11112525]

>>11112508
Vegans don't get opinions here.

[Anonymous No.11112558]

>>11112508
grass is 4% cancer? got a source for this?

[Anonymous No.11112567]

>>11112507
But don't the gluten fags ultimately help people with Celiac's disease by bringing about a lot more gluten free dishes due to it's popularity?

[Anonymous No.11112573]

how do I get tested for celiac ?
Is it just a simple blood test?
t. scared of doctors

[Anonymous No.11112581]

>>11112508
if grass is so cancerous why do you baise a diet on it?

[Anonymous No.11112589]

>>11112581
He posted a meme made in ms-paint literally none of that shit is true.

[Anonymous No.11112590]

>>11112573
you have nothing to worry about it is a simple 4 hour fisting of your asshole with a barbwire sounding.

[Anonymous No.11112597]

>>11112590
don't. I seriously fainted the last time they stuck me. fucking barbarians.

[Anonymous No.11112602]

>>11112492
keto vegans

[Anonymous No.11112611]

>>11112508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktQ4xwMwzQk

[Anonymous No.11112615]

>>11112611
Couldn't make it past the opening.

[Anonymous No.11112618]

>>11112492
Anyone that treats something as the sole Solution to all problems, and something as the sole source of all problems
>Muh fat; muh carbs
>Muh not-meat; muh meat
>Muh steak; muh sööya

[Anonymous No.11112629]

>>11112507
Agree with this. I was a chef up until 2013 and the fact we only had a regular and vegetarian menu back then proves the gluten thing is a meme.

Now it's fucking everywhere

[Anonymous No.11112631]

>>11112618
Pretty sure a good amount of people here have borderline personality disorder.

[Anonymous No.11112653]

>>11112492
Vegans. Ketofags can be argued with by citing scientific studies, vegans are pure religious nuttery on a crusade for their goddess gaiea.

[Anonymous No.11112662]

>>11112653
anybody who uses a computer is not a vegan.
all these people confuse vegan with vegetarian.
they are vegetarians, not vegans.

[Anonymous No.11112664]

>>11112492
CICO fags are the most insufferably dogmatic because like religious fanatics, they just take it on faith when science proves metabolisms vary person to person.

[Anonymous No.11112665]

>>11112492
Still vegans, but ketofags are trying real hard to be worse

[Anonymous No.11112672]

>>11112662
Nobody cares about precisely how insane your particular favorite cult is, vegan. You're all off-the-scale nutcases.

[Anonymous No.11112682]

>>11112573
It's both a blood test and an endoscopy. The blood test will give you a pretty good reading but you can only be 100% sure if you get the endoscopy too.

[Anonymous No.11112692]

>>11112567
I have a friend who has Celiac disease and she says that's the best part of the fad

[Anonymous No.11112694]

>>11112508
>bowels are overworked by meat
Meat is completely dissolved by stomach acid, pepsin, trypsin, and bile salts.
>Mea (sic) contain (sic) cancerous Nitrates
Only certain processed meats.

This must be bait.

[Anonymous No.11112708]

>>11112682
>and an endoscopy
Fuck that. I'm okay not knowing then.

[Anonymous No.11112710]

>>11112664
Yeah but not by much and you can calculate your BMR and calories burned per joule of work performed. And if you're not losing weight on CICO your estimation of your BMR or calories burned is too high or your estimation of calories consumed too low. Adjust those and you will lose weight, its thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.11112716]

>>11112708
prepare for your endoscopy by masturbating to sissy hypnosis using an anal toy. You'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.11112733]

>>11112716
The tube goes down your throat, not up your ass. A colonoscopy is the one where it goes up your ass. Deep-throating a massive dildo would be better prep.

[Anonymous No.11112739]

>>11112590
Sounds like my regular Saturday nights, anyway

[Anonymous No.11112787]

>>11112710
>not by much
By as much as 750 kcal, roughly 30% of your RBMR. And this can be pretty permanent, in one study the participants RBMR was still down by over 500kcal when revisited 6 years after their calorie restricted period. That's an unnecessary and very steep price to pay for CICOfaggoted wilful and pigheaded ignorance of biochemistry and endocrinology.

[Anonymous No.11112793]

>>11112567
Yes. They also helped the ketofags bu showing them how to make breads and such without high carb flours.

[Anonymous No.11112832]

>>11112672
Oh you replied to my post. But I didn't mean to (You) you. That was an accident. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.11112848]

they're all equally annoying. Because all modern fad diets are shit anyways to shill their products and lifestyle.
Lifestylers are the ultimate cancer though. This noose is for you, get on with it.

[Anonymous No.11112850]

>>11112694
>bile salts
Increased production of which cause increased blood cholesterol.

[Anonymous No.11113009]

>>11112850
>Thinks total serum cholesterol matters
>still believes 1960's era high-school-level science
found the boomer

[Anonymous No.11113302]

I'm a keto-kid but I don't go around telling people how to live and eat and telling them carbs are bad. My body just naturally runs better and I feel better under ketogenisis. Obviously not for everyone and I get that. And if someone offers me carbs I'm not like "Oh I cant do carbs" I just keep it simple with "No, thank you"

Can't stand those fucking vegans and glutards always like "I'm vegan!" Or "I have celiac" like I didnt ask what the fuck you are what you represent or your god damn medical history...

[Anonymous No.11114020]

>>11113302
>feel better under ketogenisis
its the lack of glucose that leads to your brain hallucinating. LSD does the same thing but is less harmful.

[Anonymous No.11114062]

>>11112492
What did ketofags ever do to you?

>>11112507
Celiac sufferers benefited greatly from the gluten free craze because gluten free crackers, pizzas, etc are now widely available. Food service workers are the ones who eat shit from glutenfags

>>11112664
This. CICO and vegan are several orders of magnitude worse than other fringe eating groups, but at least vegans have Monsanto funded studies that say corn and soy are good for you. CICO is pre-20th century conventional wisdom based on studies that measured body heat as a proxy for energy expenditure.

>Muh thermodynamics
Something as simple as a woodburning stove can use fuel efficiently or inefficiently. The human body has far more processes that are far more complex going on than a woodburning stove.

[Anonymous No.11114170]

>>11112787
>750kcal
The fuck? This is an insane amount, unless they measured it for someone eating whole cows for breakfast just to stay within their BMR. You got a source for that?

[Anonymous No.11114216]

>>11114062
>The human body has far more processes that are far more complex going on than a woodburning stove.

all of which is irrelevant because we can simply measure how much energy people derive from food. food calories are not measured in a calorimeter, they're measured by monitoring humans metabolic rate from respiration. The various inefficiencies of human digestion are included in the measurement.

[Anonymous No.11114265]

>>11112558
god so much raw power
can't get over how handsome he was back in the day
bbc music

[Anonymous No.11114293]

Ketofags are more annoying because 1) at least there are some vegans who actually understand nutrition while ketofags generally don't by definition and 2) most vegans have the willpower to stick to their principles and diet restrictions while ketofags are so fat and lacking in self control that they have to resort to unhealthy fad diets that still let them shovel in greasy, fatty food

[Anonymous No.11114325]

>>11114216
Calories aren't everything, if they were we'd only eat sugar.
Consider nutritional value such as vitamins and minerals and fats and carbs and fiber and cholesterol.

The many processes on the human body aren't rendered "irrelevant" simply because you think five kilos of lettuce is a healthy meal.

[Anonymous No.11114350]

>>11114325
He wasn't saying calories are everything, but for gaining/losing weight, they are the only thing that counts. You can eat only at McDonald's and still lose weight if you don't eat that much. Is it still unhealthy as shit? Of course.

[Anonymous No.11114368]

>>11114350
That's like saying "when it comes to retiring wealthy, reaching retirement with as much wealth as possible is the only thing that counts, risk and inflation and advisory fees and income and savings and tax advantaged vehicles and all those other things are for poorfags"

People talk details because details matter, nobody thinks you're smart because you noticed that people will lose weight when they burn more calories than they eat. You sound like an idiot for screeching about a basic premise that everyone else has long since moved on from.

[Anonymous No.11114395]

>>11114368

and you sound like a pseudo scientific hand waving nutritionist

[Anonymous No.11114398]

>>11114368
You're certainly right that human health has a lot more going on than just weight gain or loss, so obviously the other factors are important. I doubt anyone is denying that.

The point is that sometimes we are discussing weight loss only. In that case CICO is the only thing that really matters in that specific context. Of course other factors are important too, but the're not relevant to that conversation.

Bringing up, say, micronutrients and general health while the conversation is about weight loss isn't "incorrect". Rather's it's off-topic and is part of an entirely different discussion instead.

[Anonymous No.11114403]

>>11114395
>macronutrients are pseudoscience
CICO in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.11114407]

>>11114398
>it's off-topic
No

[Anonymous No.11114424]

>>11112492
keto fags who are just
>>hurr durr bacon

and also keto fags who claim calories don't matter

[Anonymous No.11114435]

>>11112664
I have no clue what you are trying to say. Of course metabolisms vary from person to person, but not nearly as much as people think (when you control for other factors like age, sex, height, weight, %fat/%muscle)

[Anonymous No.11114479]

>>11114170
nothing to see here, he's American

[Anonymous No.11114499]

>>11114403
God forbid people use a tried and true method of losing weight instead of a fad diet.

[Anonymous No.11114524]

>>11114499
>nutrition is a fad
Sometimes I think it was a huge mistake for the US government to promote fortification of junk food

It just allows idiots like this to survive to adulthood and reproduce when you would have been a genetic dead end in any other society

[Anonymous No.11114530]

Are fast food companies still paying people to shill against based ketobros on /ck/?

[Anonymous No.11114554]

>>11114170
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27136388
> After 6 years, 41.0±31.3 kg of the lost weight was regained (P =
> 0.0002), while RMR was 704±427 kcal/day below baseline (P < 0.0001)

This was a followup study of the season 2 participants of the show "The Biggest Loser". All participants ate a calorie restricted (CICO) diet and exercised 4-8 hrs each day in a completely controlled and monitored environment, there was no lying about their diet or exercise. And it completely and permanently fucked their metabolism.
This show was recently cancelled, not because of low ratings, but because it came out that the "vitamins" that they were contractually required to take every day also included heavy doses of speed to keep their metabolic rates up. The lawsuits are ongoing.
>>11114216
Its not a question of how much energy we get from food, its a question of what our body does with it - how much is burned right away, how much is stored, how is it stored, and what does it take to get our body to access that stored energy. And that gets you right in the middle of the biochemical processes that convert glucose and fat to energy, and the endocrine system that regulates when and how this is done. CICOfags like to pretend this is wrong at that it violates the laws of thermodynamics, which is about as sciencey as ranting that relativity must be incorrect because it violates Newton's laws of motion.

[Anonymous No.11114558]

>>11114554
>which is about as sciencey as ranting that relativity must be incorrect because it violates Newton's laws of motion.
Hey, you stole that from me in the other thread

[Anonymous No.11114561]

>>11114403
what does CICO have to do with macronutrients?

[Anonymous No.11114569]

>>11114530
possibly. or it could just be vegans jealous of the competition for meme diet du jour.

[Anonymous No.11114574]

>>11114558
yup, it was a good analogy, and I'm keeping it.

[Anonymous No.11114577]

>>11114561
>durr, what does food have to do with food
Ask UNICEF

[Anonymous No.11114586]

>>11114577
what about cico precludes macronutrients, though?

[Anonymous No.11114594]

>>11114586
How can it preclude something that doesn't exist? Macronutrients are pseudoscience, a fad diet. Protein isn't real.

[Anonymous No.11114602]

>>11114524
Keto does not equal nutrition. For ever CICO person just eating McDonald's and other junk food, there is just as many ketofags eating nothing but bacon, ground beef, and cheese. The difference being there is no long term studies on keto so you are all the guinea pigs that are going to die from liver failure, kidney failure, and cardiovascular problems. Smoking cigarettes was considered healthy before long term studies as well.

[Anonymous No.11114603]

>>11114594
Who says that?

[Anonymous No.11114609]

>>11114602
At leasting eating begetables and a proper amount of calories is good start, in any case.

[Anonymous No.11114611]

>>11114530
No people just want ketofags to take their faggotry back to /fit/ that's all.

[Anonymous No.11114615]

>>11114602
>you
It's interesting how the CICO cult seems to have transitioned from "if you disagree with me you're fat" to "if you disagree with me you're on keto"

[Anonymous No.11114617]

>>11114609
That's the point, both diets can be abused horribly if people are lazy and sloppy about it.

[Anonymous No.11114620]

>>11114603
>>11114499
>>11114395

[Anonymous No.11114624]

>>11114615
what CICO cult?

[Anonymous No.11114625]

>>11114615
CICO isn't a cult it's basic science. How the hell do you think people have been losing weight successfully before all these stupid fad diets.

[Anonymous No.11114646]

>>11114625
>it's science because I say so
That's not how it works buddy

Just because the USDA sees to it that your willful ignorance is swept under the rug with the help of ground powders added to your junk food doesn't mean you'd have lived to adulthood in any other society

[Anonymous No.11114662]

>>11114646
>it isn't science because I say so
lol

[Anonymous No.11114670]

>>11114625
Weight loss never happened until the God Atkins blessed mankind with Keto. Before then there was no such thing as starvation either, because CICO is fiction.

[Anonymous No.11114677]

>>11114670
I'm realizing this now. Wow can you believe the government has hid this from us for all these years!!??

[Anonymous No.11114681]

>>11114646
Dumbest post of the day

[Anonymous No.11114689]

>>11114662
>kwashiorkor isn't real because I say so
Serious question: were you home schooled by evangelicals? Ask them to introduce them to one of their missionary buddies, maybe they can show you pictures of the biafra famine.

[Anonymous No.11114704]

>>11114689
Judging by the projecting in your post, I'm tempted to ask you the same question. But I won't.
The fact of the matter is: calories are not the only reason we need food. The list of objective facts you choose to ignore changes nothing.

[Anonymous No.11114727]

>>11114625
>basic science
It is basic science - it's practically kindergarten-level science. that you CICOfags think its some earth-shattering insight is why everybody is laughing at you brainlets.

[Anonymous No.11114739]

>>11114727
It's not science it's a fad.

[Anonymous No.11114752]

>>11114677
The government is a lie. In the 40s some tramps found out that if they wore a nice suit and asked for tacks, people would just give them some of their paychecks. Eventually this scheme grew and cover stories were invented to convince the more sceptical victims. These stories grew and coalesced into what you now think government is.
The weirdest part is that people who think that government is real will get jobs working for other people who believe government is real and nobody notices that the organization they work for is completely fake.

[Anonymous No.11114753]

>>11112508
>smoke toxins
Why are vegans such faggoted pussies?

[Anonymous No.11114756]

>>11114602
>liver failure, kidney failure, and cardiovascular problems
except that in the short term studies that have been done, keto improves all of the health markers related to these. doesn't mean there won't be long-term risks, but those risks do not appear to be present over the short term. Since most ketofags are only in it to reverse their type 2 diabetes (despite keto being suboptimal for this) or to lose a few pounds, this would seem to be a relatively minor worry.

[Anonymous No.11114762]

>>11114739
CICO is a fad? it's been the dominant paradigm for weight loss for roughly 50 years. it hasn't worked, but its still had a 50 year ride. that's one hell of a fad.

[Anonymous No.11114772]

>>11114762
CICO is not a fad because it isnt gimmicky, I don't know why you thought otherwise.

[Anonymous No.11114777]

>>11114756
That's my point, if it's good on the short term, great. But since there is no long term studies people shouldn't be praising it as gospel.

[Anonymous No.11114796]

>>11112508
Sometimes I think vegans might not all be retarded scum. Then I see something like this and I'm quickly reminded how silly such a thought is.

[Anonymous No.11114839]

>>11114670
keto diets have existed since the 1800's. they just didn't know the exact mechanism for how they worked.
>>11114772
I think we're talking past each other. I don't think CICO is a fad. But neither is it a serious model for weight loss, rather it is overly simplistic to the point of near uselessness. The "gimmicks" that CICO adherents deride are basic biochemical processes and endocrine control systems which have been known and proven for decades. given their necessity for life, these can hardly be called "gimmicks" by serious people.

[Anonymous No.11114852]

>>11112573
There is a blood test but it is not a sure thing because you have to eat enough gluten to produce the results. Endoscopy only works if they are looking for it. DNA test works 100% of the time but doesn't mean you will develop it.

[Anonymous No.11114862]

>>11114777
>shouldn't be praising it as gospel.
nice trips
keto is effective at losing weight. it is effective (though suboptimal) at reversing type 2 diabetes. any long-term problems from intermittent use of the keto diet are unlikely to be worse than the extremely well-known long-term effects of obesity and diabetes. for that matter, any long-term problems from long-term keto diet are unlikely to be worse than the long-term effects of obesity and diabetes.

[Anonymous No.11114865]

>>11114762
>CICO doesn't work
What world are you living in that eating less does not lead to weight loss?

[Anonymous No.11114873]

CICO, I had to look up what that was (calories in - calories out.)
It sounds like a term that fat acceptance cows invented so they could better name call people who dare address reality in their space. Like "cis".

To play along, CICO is the path to weight loss and weight gain, but some lanes are smoother than others. Also pure weight is, in some circumstances, a poor metric for the results you want.

[Anonymous No.11114899]

>>11114625
>CICO
>losing weight successfully
citation needed. Because I have not seen any credible studies where the classical calorie restricted CICO diet resulted in significant weight loss without a long-term reduction in RBMR and concomitant rebound. that "biggest loser" study should have been the final nail in CICO's coffin, they had to give those people speed every day to keep their metabolism up high enough that they would continue losing weight on the show, and for years afterwards they were left with the RBMR of a prepubescent child.

[Anonymous No.11114915]

>>11114873
How are you not getting this? This is what thin people tell fat people to do to lose weight. Fat people have no self control so they would rather absolutely punish their body through crash meme diets rather than go to the gym.

[Anonymous No.11114929]

>>11114865
a world in which this
>>11114554
happens when you follow the simplistic CICO model's calorie restricted diet. Keto lets you lose weight without those horrible side-effects. It doesn't violate thermodynamics, in order to lose weight on a keto diet your calories in must be lower than your calories out, and yes the ketofags are aware of this. But they are also aware that the dietary recommendations being pushed by the cicofags have been proven to have disastrous consequences due to the cicofags overly simplified view of human metabolism.

[Anonymous No.11115046]

>>11114554
Pledrilled and sabed!

[Anonymous No.11115095]

>>11112508
>meat is hard to digest
meanwhile vegans fill their gut with LITERALLY indigestible fiber

[Anonymous No.11115251]

>>11115095
>be vegan
>eat indigestible fiber that prevents cancer, heart disease, and obesity
>be ketofag
>eat indigestible gristle that causes cancer, heart disease, kidney disease, obesity, and diabetes
you got me there bruh

[Anonymous No.11115272]

>>11115095
Vegans don't believe in cell walls.
Also lipids are indestructible.

>>11115251
See.

[Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) No.11115560]

>fat is unhealthy
>the absolute fucking state of /ck/
I'm convinced the anti-keto sentiment here is paid industry shilling

[Anonymous No.11115717]

>>11115560
>retarded strawman argument no one ITT is making
>OMG MUH SHILLS

[Anonymous No.11115734]

>>11112492

Is it just me or do ketofags and vegans all look old and dry?

[Anonymous No.11115740]

>>11115560

You can have fat and carbs ya know

[Anonymous No.11115767]

>>11112492

Vegan keto reporting in

[Anonymous No.11116111]

was just on the keto diet for a year ask me anything or don't idc

[Anonymous No.11116112]

>>11114915
You're a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11116113]

>>11114625
I've noticed a big push against CICO these days, and it's annoying to see these idiots deny something we know has worked effectively forever.

[Anonymous No.11116297]

>>11112508
>Implying you can catch cancer from eating cows that ate "cancer" grass

Wtf is actually wrong with vegans

Also if all of this shit is true why hasn't our species died yet from eating meat

[Anonymous No.11116415]

>>11112492
>equally as annoying
???
Ketofags are just minding their own business trying to lose weight.
Vegans are a bunch of insane zealots condemning anyone who does not follow their way, to the point of wishing death upon "carnists".
Pretty huge difference.

[Anonymous No.11116430]

>>11116113
>I've noticed a big push against CICO these days
It's always been there.

[Anonymous No.11116452]

I have no problem with Keto because I have seen how beneficial it can be for fatties for losing weight.

[Anonymous No.11116467]

>>11114625
>basic science
Exactly.
It's very basic. Kindergarten basic.
It's understood by simpletons who then feel like they can ignore the complexity of human metabolism, so they can act superior and pat themselves on the back. Just like vegans love to do. "Just eat less" hurr durr. " And if you still don't lose weight on a 1200 cal diet, (while restricting yourself of the other important nutrients in the process) then go even lower, hurrrrr. no wait, you're probably still drinking tons of soda, lololol, durrrr"
CICO's are insufferable because they're the dumbest of all the groups. They wave the word science, but they refuse to read actual scientific evidence that say it's not that simple and that simply restricting calories can actually be a bad thing.
Basic science... indeed.

[Anonymous No.11116486]

>>11112733
As long as you combine it with sissy hypnosis and you wear one of your little sister's dresses.

[Anonymous No.11116498]

ketofags are worse because vegans at least have a point. "ketosis" on the other hand simply doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.11116518]

>>11112492
wtf is that keto hype, just be vegan and be good

[Anonymous No.11116531]

>>11116498

[Anonymous No.11116640]

>Oh so you're vegan, huh? But are you low carb vegan, like myself? Let me tell you about it

Let them destroy themselves from the inside.

[Anonymous No.11116664]

>>11116467
Well how do you explain that fatties lose weight without a fail when they eat fewer calories than normally?

[Anonymous No.11116758]

>>11116113
>CICO
>worked effectively
Not gonna lie I chuckled a bit

[Anonymous No.11116765]

>>11112508
Okay so the answer to OP is that it's still vegans. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.11116784]

>>11116664
they do, for a little while. then their body lowers its metabolic rate to compensate, and increases the production of ghrelin (hunger hormone) between meals and decreases production of leptin (satiety hormone) during meals, and their weight loss stops. so they have to lower caloric intake again, then their body compensates again by lowering its metabolic rate, increasing the hunger hormones and decreasing the satiety hormones, and again their weight loss stops. and so it goes, until eventually the hunger hormones win and they capitulate. Exercise does not help with the metabolic problems. Unfortunately, these metabolic changes quickly become permanent, see
>>11114554
If you wish to call these sorts of results "success" don't be surprised if people laugh at you, because that was one of the most perfectly designed and controlled CICO diets ever performed, and it was a clusterfuck of epic proportions, those people were completely screwed, and will be for the rest of their lives.
Oddly enough, simple fasting doesn't cause this metabolic fuckery,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/
>A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight.
this guy lost 276 lbs over 382 days of water fasting, which comes out to an average of 2890 calories per day. he did no particular exercise during this period. compare with the study in the earlier post, where the participants exercised for 4-8 hrs per day and were juiced with speed, and wound up with a base metabolic rate around 1500 cals/day.
Keto diets are an attempt to bypass the body's compensation mechanisms to avoid the metabolic problems caused by lowering caloric intake, the same way that fasting does, but without having to fast. it appears to be successful at this. it is easy to lose a lot of weight on a keto diet, but even if someone fails at a keto diet, at least it won't permanently damage their metabolism like a cico diet.

[Anonymous No.11116786]

>>11116111
nobody cares fatso. and fuck your trips right in the earball

[Anonymous No.11116792]

>>11116765
its always the fucking vegans. we should make them wear yellow brussels sprout patches or some shit.

[Anonymous No.11116815]

>>11115734
vegans look like they have worms. ketofags just look fat.

[Anonymous No.11116816]

>>11116765
facts are annoying
lmao

[Anonymous No.11116825]

>>11112492
Some people do really well on keto and gluten allergies are a real thing outside of celiacs.

Vegans are just retarded twisted moralfag retards so my vote is for them.

[Anonymous No.11116835]

>>11116816
hands are for tool making to kill animals. dumb faggot

[Anonymous No.11116837]

>>11112507
as celiac I must say it is nice to have more placescto eat ans being able to buy more.

I always say I am nit a hipster in restaurants, so they know I am nit a pretentious faggot

[Anonymous No.11116838]

>>11116816
Nice theory, HOWEVER

>>11116835
read the text, moron

[Anonymous No.11116839]

>>11116816

[Anonymous No.11116844]

>>11116838
read the text, still doesn't change that human hands are for advanced tool making.

[Anonymous No.11116848]

>>11116816
And yet bears and foxes regularly eat significant amounts of berries and roots. We evolved into persistence hunters who supplemented their diet with fruits, roots, seeds, and nuts. Except for horses there is no animal who can use sweat to regulate their temperature as efficiently as humans can. Our upright gait reduces energy expenditure and thus heat production. Our bare skin makes cooling off even more efficient. We can jog after a gazelle, tracking it and catching up to it while it's recovering, until it collapses from heat and exhaustion.

Even then, chimps hunt, kill, and eat monkeys on a regular basis. Humans are omnivores, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.11116871]

>>11116848
>be bear
>eat significant amounts of fatty fish
>eat significant amounts of berries and roots
>spend 1/3 of the year in deep ketosis
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.11116894]

>>11116848
>supplemented their diet with fruits, roots, seeds, and nuts
i think we ate more of theese than you think....hunting is calorically inefficient(you spend more than you end up getting)....we were likley gatherers with a side of hunting

[Anonymous No.11116896]

>>11116871
So the conclusion is eat a diet consisting mostly of of fatty fish and (organ) meat, supplemented with starch, fruit, and greens and to fast if you want to lose weight?

[Anonymous No.11116903]

>>11116894
What? A whole village eats from one big animal for a long time.

[Anonymous No.11116913]

>>11112567
Yes and no, making it mainstream can cause the care taken with gluten free food to decline. For example, storing gluten free foods right next to foods with gluten

[Anonymous No.11116926]

>>11116894
not even remotely true. its clear you're a cityfag and have never done any hunting
>be me, hunter
>hike inna woods and park ass near game trail near watering hole (200kcal)
>wait 1 hr (125kcal)
>shoot deer with bow-n-arrow (3 kcal)
>carry home (400kcal)
>get 130lbs meat
>100lbs protein = 45359 grams = 181,436kcal
>30lbs fat = 13607 grams = 122,463kcal
>303,171 kcal net win
why are vegans so fucking stupid they can't do basic math? is it the vitamin deficiencies or just natural selection?

[Anonymous No.11116938]

>>11116894
I had a table somewhere with the calories a whole animal contains. A whole 10 lbs sockeye salmon had about 7000 calories, enough to feed an active person for 2 days. Now imagine how many calories a single 260 lbs kudu would have. And that's a small female.

[Anonymous No.11116947]

>>11116938
>>11116894
Found it:
http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2013/09/living-off-land-delusions-and.html

[Anonymous No.11116949]

>>11116926
huhh yeah cos ancient humans had fucking high powered bow and arrow like modern man, and fucking food preservation technologies. You braindead piece of fucking filth. How DARE you make up such fucking lies. It was morelike

>Be ancient hunter
>have to hike for hours to find animal because 'game trails' don't exist (500 calories)
>find deer tracks
>follow them for hours, carefully plotting, lugging heavy wooden club and large number of arrows with a cumbersome bow (800 calories)
>find the deer
>fire an arrow, and miss because you aren't fucking using a high powered bow made by post industrial revolution factories (4 calories)
>deer escapes, repeat process (1300 calories)
>find another deer
>just about manage to injure it with your weak arrow (4 calories)
>have to chase the injured deer down, and beat it to death with a club (153 calories)
>deer injures you, have to tend to your wounds for an hour (200 calories)
>drag the deer home through miles of thick forest (900 calories)
>you and your family eat what they can before the deer goes rotten (already mostly rotten) = 4000 calories ie barely enough to maintain yourself after the hunt
>fuck wife (400 calories) and lose weight for the day

Vs the chad vegan

>Be ancient gattherer
>walk 10 yards into the forest (1 calorie)
>harvest wild potatoes and wheat (20 calories)
>walk 40 yards further (3 calories)
>pick multiple berries and fruits (20 calories)
>overturn a log (1 calorie)
>grab handful of mushrooms
>go home, have mashed potato with wheat, mushrooms, berries and fruit dinner = 2200 calories
>fuck wife for longer because you can get an erection unlike meat eaters (1000 calories, and she begs for more, so another 500 calories)

[Anonymous No.11116966]

>>11116894

that's actually wrong because fruits were very seasonal and basically nature's desert (they're not even as nutritional as you think -- yeah sure, better than a snickers bar though)

many nuts and seeds are deleterious to your health if not prepared properly (And a fucking pain in the ass to prep by hand if you've ever done it). have you ever plucked beans from their pods? it's a fucking pain in the ass and if cavemen lived longer than 40-50 years they would for sure have arthritis

vegans that stroll through a grocery store picking up year-round fruits and veggies and nuts (and not seeing how modern supply chain and logistics have made it possible) thinking "ahhh im eating how my ancestors ate" are sorely misinformed. earth's a bitch and agriculture is no walk in the park, even for modern man

[Anonymous No.11116968]

>>11116949
deer are fucking easy to kill. a 35lb simple wooden bow will shoot clean through a deer. again, you cityfags have no idea what you are talking about.
>inb4 that's using a modern steel broadhead
flint actually has a much sharper edge than even the sharpest steel scalpel, because of the way it fractures at the molecular level.

[Anonymous No.11116972]

>Eat less. Lose weight.
Please explain to me why this wouldn't work.

[Anonymous No.11116978]

>>11116968
hahaha yeah because ancient humans could just walk through the game trail and kill a deer XD. You fucking retard, they didn't have any fucking technolgies. Plus carrying a fucking 35lb bow BURNS CALORIES. Ancient humans were vegan, this is a fact.

[Anonymous No.11116987]

>>11116949
I like how in this delusion:

"""game trails""" don't exist (they do, you can see them from the sky, especially tracks leading into/around watering holes and rivers; FYI prehistoric man always lived as close as possible to water, just like many animals)

he vastly overestimates caloric burn during athletic activity (this is why you can fast jog 5 miles and still barely burn 300cal) and vastly underestimates the efficacy of spears, javelins, and bows

but to top it all of, you can walk into a forest willy nilly and harvest the bounty of the earth ALL FOR FREE. Its already there!!!! its free real estate!!!! as though agriculture isn't an incredibly difficult process that requires daily work and foresight (not only for harvesting within the cycles and seasons of the earth, but preservation of your crop yield (half of which or more could be spoilt by disease, pests, or even drought)

actual idiot that doesn't understand hunting or even agriculture

[Anonymous No.11116990]

>>11116784
Yes if you reduce in size your BMR and RMR should go down, that is self-explanatory.
As for permanent damage to your metabolism it only occurs if you carry on for 3-4 months of weight loss. Which is why it's recommended to maintain after that time period for a good 1-2 months and then restart cutting.

However if you're fat enough that 3-4 months of 1.5-2kg/week weight loss does not bring you to a normal and healthy BMI then even the permanent damage is preferable to the obesity related issues.
>keto
>water fasting
Oh god I just wasted my time typing this i'm speaking to a retard.

[Anonymous No.11116995]

>>11116978
a 35 lb bow means the draw is 35 lbs of tension

the bow it self probably wouldn't weigh more than ten lbs and it would be carried across the shoulder (basically weightless)

actual idiot

[Anonymous No.11116997]

>>11116978
not even mediocre bait, vegan.

[Anonymous No.11117001]

>>11116972
its been explained to you a dozen times in this thread alone. you're either too retarded to understand anything more complex than kindergarten-level science, or a vitamin-deficient vegan (but I repeat myself).

[Anonymous No.11117004]

>>11116997
>humans protecting deer from lion is proof hymans aren't vegan

[Anonymous No.11117012]

>>11116784
Why is it always the fatties who are this delusional?
Literally nobody who has ever lost some weight successfully ever dissagrees with this.

[Anonymous No.11117019]

>>11116949
>2200 calories
Ain't happening.

[Anonymous No.11117024]

>>11117001
So why are people in developing countries so skinny? It couldn't possibly be because they don't have much food to eat?

[Anonymous No.11117035]

>>11116990
>if you reduce in size your BMR and RMR should go down
yes, everybody knows that, that isn't worthy of a scientific study. you should read the paper again more carefully - their metabolic rate was 500-700kcal lower than a normal person at that *same weight*, e.g. a normal male weighing 180lbs has a RMR of 2500kcal, but a post-competition male weighing 180lbs had a RMR of 1750kcal, and 6 years later when the followup study was done this had not improved, his RMR was still 700 kcal below others at his height and weight class.

[Anonymous No.11117048]

>>11116997
>posts pic of ancient man playing music on single string instruments, a precursor to modern violins and cellos
>deer enthralled and come up to listen, some even laying down because the music is so peaceful
>ancient man adored by herbivores who don't even view him as a predator because he doesn't have the stench of a carnist

[Anonymous No.11117049]

>>11116995
such a bow would weigh about a pound and a half. again, we have surviving examples of hunting bows from the american indians, and plenty of hunters make and use such bows even today. I do, and have. But I am part indian, grew up in the country and know how to hunt food that isn't already wrapped in cellophane.

[Anonymous No.11117057]

>>11117035
So some American shit study covering an irrelevant extreme scenario (4-8 hours cardio exercise with extreme calorific restriction) with a sample size of 16, disapproves CICO?
Clever man.

[Anonymous No.11117059]

>>11117019
Now look at this table and tell me which would be more effort to collect for the calories gained, plants or animals? Admit it, Homo erectus was a persistence hunter and Homo sapiens refined his hunting techique to contain ambushes, traps, and fishing. Foraging for plants was something the women did in between trapping, fishing, and cleaning hides.

[Anonymous No.11117076]

>>11117019
>>11117059

Look you fucking braindead meat fuck. I am sick and fucking tired of explaining obvious facts. It is fucking impossible that ancient humans ate meat. Ancient humans had to be Vegan. Lets do some basic comparisons shall we? And maybe you can follow along, maybe pretend my post is an innocent deer you are following with your fucking rifle.

>2000 calories of blueberries is about 4lbs.
>2000 calories of fish would require at least 1 large fish.
Blueberries literally grew out of the ground and trees in ancient times. You know? Nature? That fucking thing you and other meatcucks love to decimate? An ancient human could walk over to a fucking bush alongside a river and easily gather 4lbs of berries in seconds and wouldn't need to eat again that day. Why would he waste hours making tools to catch salmon? Contrary to popular belief human hands were not used to make hunting tools. In fact the earliest human tool ever found is a fucking strawberry pitter made from oak wood.

>2000 calories of sweet potato is 2.5lbs
>2000 calories of deer is at least one deer
Let me ask you, have you ever tried to dig up a wild potato? Did it fucking run away when you got within 20 yards of it? Is it skittish, are sweet potatoes skittish? Is that what you think? Deers run away. Wild potato do not. Unless you are so deluded from your Vitamin A overdose that you see sweet potatoes with legs

Why the fuck would humans have wasted energy hunting? Humans are intuitive. Our intuition salivates when we see a sweet potato. Not rancid awful meat.

[Anonymous No.11117089]

>>11112508
>The nitrates cause cancer meme
Stahp

Only cured meats contain a significant amount of nitrates. Even then, there is literally no evidence that nitrates on their own cause cancer. What you have to worry about is burning cured meats, which creates exciting new compounds from the nitrates which actually do cause cancer.

Also, you get WAY more nitrates in your body from leafy greens than you ever would from eating any cured meat.

[Anonymous No.11117099]

>>11116949
dont forget to fuck meatcuck`s wife while hes away

[Anonymous No.11117105]

>>11116816
>>11116838
>>11116848
>>11116949
>>11116978
>>11117004
>>11117048
>>11117057
>>11117076
I see the vegan defense force checks finally cleared. But you guys really need to get your stories straight, you're all contradicting each other and generally making yourselves look even more retarded than usual. Step it up guys, or find another line of work.

[Anonymous No.11117119]

>>11117076
>>Muh berries
You know plants have flowering and growing seasons, right? Sure, you had a bonanza of food if you happened across a plant full of fruit at the exact right time of the year, and before the animals got to them first. But you could hardly sustain yourself on that year-round. Have you ever grown your own fruit? You only get fruit for a few weeks out of the entire year, and even then it's a constant battle to keep the animals from getting them first.

>>muh potatoes
Again, an excellent source of food. but one that has a very limited season.

>>Why the fuck would humans have wasted energy hunting?
Because animals can provide food at any time of year, while the same cannot be said for plants. Animals also provide useful materials: cooking fat, sinew for making tools and weapons, fur and leather for clothing and containers, bones for tools, etc.

[Anonymous No.11117135]

>>11117024
>the limits of CICOfaggot understanding
fml but this is some funny shit. Watching you CICOtards talk nutrition is like watching downies pretend to do calculus. You feel kind of sorry for them, but you can't stop laughing inside.

[Anonymous No.11117152]

>>11117119
>You only get fruit for a few weeks out of the entire year
How stupid are you that you believe this yet manage to remember to breathe? Fresh fruit is readily available, you can get it year round in the store. Note I said fresh, not canned or frozen, that fresh fruit in the store is recently picked and shipped to the store within days, which means it grows year around. If you live in the woods you can just pick it off the tree and get it even fresher. I'm sorry you are such shit at growing fruit that you can't even mimic what nature does all the time, but then we've already established that you are severely mentally deficient, probably from lack of glucose and vitamins from those fresh fruit and vegetables you claim don't exist.

[Anonymous No.11117192]

>>11117152
>you can get it year round in the store.

What does that have to do with the "ancient humans" being discussed in >>11117076 ?

[Anonymous No.11117208]

>>11117135
Start presenting arguments anytime.

[Anonymous No.11117209]

>>11117057
Oddly enough, that wasn't an extreme calorie reduction, which was actually a large part of the problem
This
>>11116784
Was an extreme calorie reduction. It also didn't cause his metabolic rate to drop, and no exercise was needed. But despite the fact that this is one of the few CICO diets that actually works without permanent metabolic damage, it isn't the diet CICOfags are pushing, which is why everybody laughs at CICOfags and their kindergarten level of understanding.

[Anonymous No.11117223]

So few people understand the advantages of a kertogenic diet - it is still CICO as far as weight loss is concerned - the difference is that a ketogenic diet protects muscles from being used for energy, even in a very low calorie diet, and preserves RMR as opposed to a similarly low calorie high carbohydrate diet.

Ketogenic diets are best used as short term or intermittent body recomposition tools for reducing body fat percentage, and especially abdominal fat and fat around organs, not as a long term diet.

A better long term diet would be roughly equal amounts of all macronutrients, focussing on nutrient sensity and omega 3/6 balance, with nutrient dense and low glycemic-index sources of carbohydrates. Ketones are still beneficial to brain health, but those can be created through periods of fasting - even intermittent fasting on only a moderately low carb diet (not ketogenic) can still put you into ketosis for an hour or more per day if your feeding window is sufficiently small.

[Anonymous No.11117228]

>>11117223
>keto
>still CICO
backtracking this hard. Ketofags utterly btfo by based CICO.

[Anonymous No.11117236]

>>11117228

In the scientific literature, the nost robust evidence for the advantages of a ketogenic diet come from VLCK diets - that is, Very Low Calorie Ketogenic Diets. I've done keto for three uears previously, and now do intermittent bouts of ketogenic diet for a month or two every couple years to help maintain a lower bodyfat content.

You can still gain weight on a ketogenic diet - I know because I did that while I was bulking a few years back, granted that most of it was muscle, but my body fat only declined slightly so I must have been making fat, too.

[Anonymous No.11117244]

>>11117236
>blah blah blah
Duck off ketofag, you've already admitted you lost. CICO won, go home and hide your head and fatassed blubberbody in shame.

[Anonymous No.11117281]

>>11117244

Are you saying the type of CI in CICO doesnt make any metabolic difference?

[Anonymous No.11117287]

Beautiful bait thread

[Anonymous No.11117291]

>>11112492
christ, she's ugly

[Anonymous No.11117298]

>>11117281
>le reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.11117334]

>>11117298

holy shit, this is how you quote. like fuck, you put a space between the post number and your text. reddit spacing is when they do it for every sentence like a new paragraph. I hope you read this so you can adapt your oldfag act appropriately.

[Anonymous No.11117339]

>>11117334
Just you, redditor. Just you.

[Anonymous No.11117359]

>>11117076
>2000 calories of fish would require at least 1 large fish.
>2000 calories of deer is at least one deer

Low quality bait.

[Anonymous No.11117373]

>>11117359
>meatcuck too stupid to understand what I am saying

How are you going to get 2000 calories of deer without killing at least one deer, prey tell meatcuck?

[Anonymous No.11117401]

>>11117298

No,

This is reddit spacing

Because the Reddit devs didnt understand escaping

[Anonymous No.11117427]

>>11117373
A persistence hunt took about 5 hours. 1 hour of cross-country running is 544 calories, so the hunt costs 2720 calories. The deer provides 59360 calories. Net calorie gain is 56640 calories. I can then sit on my ass for another 20 days before I would need to hunt again, using my time to set traps, make flint and bone tools, hides, sinew and rawhide and forage acorns and berries I can process to stockpile for the winter.

[Anonymous No.11117450]

>>11117401
This Reddit spacing is baffling to me, exactly how did it come about and what the hell does it mean?

[Anonymous No.11117471]

>>11117373
>prey tell
>prey
Absolute fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11117472]

>>11117450
something to do with how reddit formats paragraphs. redditors do it reflexively even on superior anime autism support boards, then get all hurt and defensive when everybody laughs at them.

[Anonymous No.11117486]

>>11117450
From a bunch of redditors desperately trying to fit in and call everything reddit

Not typing like a shiteating autist really triggers newfaggot cancer

You should try it

[Anonymous No.11117512]

>>11117486
why don't your files have 4chan filenames?

[Anonymous No.11117523]

>>11117512
probably because he got distracted while faking the post numbers

[Anonymous No.11117533]

>>11117512
>>11117523
>lowercase virgin autism

Back to Redit, incel babbies

[Anonymous No.11117540]

>>11117533
you're not even trying

[Anonymous No.11117545]

>>11117540
you can't really expect quality shitposting from a summerfag

[Anonymous No.11117553]

The Reddit boogeyman is just something newfriends use to try to fit in.

[Anonymous No.11117560]

>>11117540
>>11117545
Great comeback, guy ;)

[Anonymous No.11117600]

>>11117512
>>11117523
>newfaggots don’t know mobilechad filenames

[Anonymous No.11117636]

>>11117553
/ck/ is essentially the border town for reddit. The only thing missing is every thread starting out with 15 or so pun posts. The 4chan ghetto is /pol/

[Anonymous No.11117667]

>>11117105
>implying i'm a b12 deficient vegan shill
>>11117209
The rate at which the contestants lost weight implies it was an extreme restriction.
>>11117223
Even Keto (actual Keto which is high protein low fat low carbs, not memey high fat one which has only shown relevance to epileptics) cause metabolic damage after long periods of weight loss, it's simply unavoidable unless you chemically alter your hormonal profile or as mentioned previously with a 1-2 months refeed after 3-4 months of cutting to have your body adjust to the new weight.
However I do agree with your last best bit, best case scenario for cutting/diet is with macro counting.

[Anonymous No.11117673]

[Anonymous No.11117683]

>>11117673
>For the animals
Sure
>For the planet
False
>For our health
False

[Anonymous No.11117763]

>>11117667
>Keto
>high protein
That's a fascinating and exciting definition of "keto" you should write a book about it, Dr. Atkins.

[Anonymous No.11117765]

>>11112492
All fad dieters are annoying because they are just picky eaters who want to be excused for their bad behavior and bad taste.

[Anonymous No.11117795]

>>11117667
> Actual keto
> High protein

What

[Anonymous No.11117800]

>>11114062
My dad has celiac and the gluten free fad has made his eating so much better

[Anonymous No.11117812]

>>11112492
Keto, because Veganism isn't a fad, people have been doing it for religious, cultural, and other reasons for centuries.

[Anonymous No.11117817]

>>11117812
>and other reasons
I imagine people on the keto diet are doing it for "other reasons" as well.

[Anonymous No.11117824]

>>11117817
their meme reasons dont count.

[Anonymous No.11117833]

>>11117812
>religious
meme
>cultural
meme
>other reasons
meme
Sorry faggot but veganism is a meme diet. Ketogenic diets have been around for millennia, they're still meme diets.

[Anonymous No.11117834]

>>11117673
I don't care about animals.
The planet will adapt, though humanity might not.
I have type 1 diabetes and that will be what kills me, not meat.

[Anonymous No.11117837]

>>11117824
>I get to decide when a diet is legitimate or not

[Anonymous No.11117846]

>>11112508
better dead than no red

[Anonymous No.11117850]

>>11117837
Somebody has to do it, ketards aren't capable of rational thought, not with that crippling carb deficiency.

[Anonymous No.11117937]

>>11117850
I'm hoping to god you aren't a vegan saying this. Vegans are mentally less functional than ketofags, plus the fact they all look like trannies due to lack of protein.

[Anonymous No.11118001]

>>11117937
Go away ketard, this is a vegan board

[Anonymous No.11118015]

>>11112508
This is clearly bait you fucking troglodytes