/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11105724]

What're you're favorite wines? I'm recently discovering that red wines from New York aren't half bad. Pic related was ten dollars and is dry and delicious

[Anonymous No.11105729]

>>11105724
>that hand
holy shit, how jewish are you?

[Anonymous No.11105744]

>>11105724
Yeah upstate makes some really nice wines for the money, the whites are not too shabby either. I just finished a bottle of gewurz from Standing Stone. I think it was like $13.

If it wasn't for upstate I'd basically be exclusively drinking euro imports, California is either undrinkable swill or overpriced meme trash (still undrinkable), and Oregon is getting there too.

[Anonymous No.11105746]

>>11105729
I'm not jewish, but I wish I was. Those people have the world on lock

[Anonymous No.11105755]

>>11105746
That's exactly what a Jew would say.

[Anonymous No.11105772]

Area code 315 here. (Upstate NY)

Yeah the finger lakes are considered one of the best wine regions in the U.S.A. We have like 150 wineries.

I'm personally partial to Swedish Hill

[Anonymous No.11105776]

[Anonymous No.11105781]

[Anonymous No.11105813]

>>11105772
I guess all that water makes the ground super fertile or something. Ups the terroir

[Anonymous No.11105857]

>>11105813
Fertile ground does not make good wine, it makes a lot of wine. That's why California wines suck.

What the deep lakes are good for is stabilizing the temperatures. Makes things more predictable so you don't get random frosts at the wrong time.

[Anonymous No.11105877]

>>11105813
The parallel lake beds were carved out of the earth by the migration of glaciers over the past million years or so. As the glaciers moved, they deposited tons of minerals into the soil.

[Anonymous No.11105880]

>>11105729
>holy shit, how jewish are you?
>>11105746
>I'm not jewish, but I wish I was. Those people have the world on lock
>>11105755
>That's exactly what a Jew would say.
LMAO!

I put some water in my Merlot and Cab. I don't like it dry.

[Anonymous No.11106075]

We just bought pic related today.
We've loved Stave and Steel and Augment and 19 Crimes other bourbon/rum barrel reds so I'm excited to try this one. Really good reviews online. Any anons had this one? I got a good deal on it and a 2014 vintage... worth stocking up?

[Anonymous No.11106084]

>>11106075
>We
You mean you and "hubby"? This isn't your blog.

[Anonymous No.11106105]

>>11106084
It's a wine thread and I'm talking about wine.
Take your incel butthurt back to /r9k/.

[Anonymous No.11106117]

>>11106105
>dark toasty vanilla notes
>novelty cask cancer
>"we"
>unironically drinking 19 crimes
Honestly I didn't even read your post at first, but wow. Cancer incarnate. I bet you drink Joe Wagner's "pinot noir" too.

[Anonymous No.11106124]

>>11106105
I agree, fuck off with the 'we' shit.. Just state your own opinion

[Anonymous No.11106151]

Alck here, I've had probably a hundred different red wines and none of them really stand out but this one I've found is really nice and smooth to drink and is great for cooking

[Anonymous No.11106194]

>>11106117
>>11106124
Imagine being so easily butthurt that you have to ask other people on an Indonesian boat appreciation forum to censor the way they speak to you.

[Anonymous No.11106215]

>>11105729
>body hair triggers americans

[Anonymous No.11106218]

mollydooker
Stag's leap
Cake bread
Rombauer

[Anonymous No.11106230]

>>11106151
yeah but it has some gay twig and string taped to it for no reason

[Anonymous No.11106234]

>>11106215
Wtf is wrong with your foot?

[Anonymous No.11106240]

>>11106075
thats disgusting

[Anonymous No.11106248]

>>11106215
lmfao what bodypart is that even? are you deformed? did everyone keep this from you?

[Anonymous No.11106264]

sicilian red wines made from nerello mascalese are my current favourite, but i have had some excellent wines from Jura lately

[Anonymous No.11106299]

>cakebread
>rombauer
>mollydooker
>19 crimes

[Anonymous No.11106319]

>>11106230
It's a grapevine you retard

[Anonymous No.11106400]

>>11106248
>>11106234
my hand?

[Anonymous No.11106414]

>>11106215
wtf is that? is it broken? do you have a genetic disease? i mean besides being a hairy jew.

[Anonymous No.11106418]

>>11106400
not everyone has a third hand.

[Anonymous No.11106511]

>>11106414
i’m french and it’s a non obese hand

[Anonymous No.11106530]

the only time I drink wine is at weddings when the bar closes for dinner/speeches and on long weekends. Sunday morning when you're not sure if you can drink for a third day in a row just pound a bottle of Arbor Mist with brunch

[Anonymous No.11106550]

>>11106511
It really is a weird angle

[Anonymous No.11106563]

>>11106550
Go see a doctor, mate.

[Anonymous No.11106631]

>>11106215
What the fuck is wrong with your hand

[Anonymous No.11106636]

>>11106631
Nothing.

[Anonymous No.11106808]

My ultimate love are Brunello di Montalcinos, but they're for once in a blue moon. My go-to reds are just inexpensive Montepulcianos and Beaujolais (preferably crus, but villages are fine too). As for whites I love a good gruner veltliner and chenin Blanc. There's a fantastic white called Pine Ridge, it's a Chenin Blanc/Viognier blend and absolutely fantastic.

>>11106075
Imo the best bourbon aged wine on the market. It's delicious.

[Anonymous No.11106857]

>>11105724
You like NY wines? There's a bunch of vineyards here on Long Island and they practically give their bottles away. Only about $4-$8 a bottle and it is all terrible.

[Anonymous No.11106864]

>>11106636
this is not a board for gore. please post this shit on /b/ or something. go to a doc.

[Anonymous No.11107210]

From fingerlake winw country in ny
Wish state wasnt so shit, but its nice up here

[Anonymous No.11107550]

>>11106857
Long Island wineries are for trashy bachelorette parties, nobody who likes wine actually drinks that swill

[Anonymous No.11107845]

>>11105724
Your right but bully hill is like entry level tier, more fun than good. And this is coming from someone with one of their bumper stickers on their car.

[Anonymous No.11107852]

>>11106808
When all of someones favorites are old world wines you know they care more about image than wine as a whole

[Anonymous No.11107863]

>>11106808
>Imo the best bourbon aged wine on the market. It's delicious.
I'm glad to hear it. It's not far out of price range from the other staples. Since they have the 2014 and that's a coveted vintage I might buy some extras to keep around for a few extra years.
>Beaujolais
Only ever had villages reds but it's a very pleasant and easy to drink wine.

[Anonymous No.11107867]

>>11107852

I'm this guy >>11105744

Most of my favorite wines are old world because they offer much better value. People who primarily drink new world wines are either incredibly rich, or have terrible taste, because there are very few reasonably priced new world wines that don't suck.

[Anonymous No.11107902]

>>11107845
what are some better finger lakes wineries? I think my parents bought a couple cases from Anthony road when I was a kid

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[Anonymous No.11108877]

>>11105724
There's so much variety in wine it's hard to pick favorites honestly, but a few styles I generally really like:
>Rhone syrah, especially hermitage and st joseph
>straight tempranillo Riojas
>vin jaune
>Friuli orange wines
>Alsatian pinot gris
>Austrian gruner veltliner

If we're including fortified/dessert wines:
>tokaji aszu
>literally any style of sherry or madeira
>rivesaltes and rancio sec (catalan oxidized wines)

[Anonymous No.11108960]

>>11105724
>none european wine
>not half bad

Ok flyover

[Anonymous No.11109036]

>>11105724
Mandatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lesncaOmAiQ

[Anonymous No.11109856]

>>11107902
Not the guy you asked, but Hermann Weimer and Dr. Konstantin Frank are kinda the Big 2. Weimer is known for their rieslings, Frank is basically good across the board.

If you still need more variety you could look at Sheldrake Point (they have a decent and cheap gamay), Boundary Breaks (riesling), and Shaw (riesling). I also mentioned Standing Stone earlier in this thread, I've only had their gewurztraminer and for the money it was pretty solid (Frank's is more refined and I imagine wine snobs would probably say it's "better", but the Standing Stone has a bit of an edge that I found enjoyable)

[Anonymous No.11109896]

rec me a good cheap wine

[Anonymous No.11109904]

>>11109896
Trimbach makes some cheapies which are hard to beat for availability and quality

If you're not in a landlocked flyover shit hole you should be able to pick up their entry level rieslings or PGs for $11-12 a bottle

[Anonymous No.11109934]

>>11109904
oh ok thanks

[Anonymous No.11109954]

>>11109934
Just make sure it's cold as fuck when you serve it, and drink it all in one sitting. It loses all the aromatics overnight.

[Anonymous No.11110089]

There's a bunch of vineyards across the border here in Connecticut. They're usually pretty decent but you can get imported bottles of wine that are just as good or better at half the price. It's fun visiting the wineries but there isn't much of a point buying CT wine besides supporting local businesses.

[Anonymous No.11110241]

>>11108877
Rhone syrah is truly GOAT wine. My favorite bottle I've ever tasted was a bottle of hermitage.

[Anonymous No.11110280]

>>11110241
Yeah I avoided syrah for years because I got started on them with the nasty Aussie garbage. Had a bottle of 100% syrah crozes hermitage a few years back, boy was I wrong about this grape

[Anonymous No.11110342]

>>11110280
It's definitely a varietal that can really radically change style depending on how it's grown/produced. If you can afford to try a decent bottle, hermitage is probably my absolute favorite wine ever- but it's expensive, and it needs some age to really show its best. A more affordable analogue is St. Joseph; it's not as powerful or as elegant but it can still be great and it's WAY more affordable.

Had a bottle of St. Joseph from Domaine Courbis 'Les Royes' recently that was great and literally a quarter the price of a bottle of hermitage from the same year.

[Anonymous No.11110377]

>>11105724
I live in Wisconsin and my mother fancies herself a wine connoisseur so she made me go on a Wisconsin wine tasting tour this summer with her

Do not under any circumstances buy wine from Wisconsin

[Anonymous No.11110715]

>>11110280
Holy shit this. Such a difference between Australian jam-in-a-bottle shiraz and a proper syrah.

[Anonymous No.11110767]

>>11105857
>Fertile ground does not make good wine, it makes a lot of wine. That's why California wines suck.
You wut? California hasn’t had rain or fertile ground in places like Napa in literal decades. It’s mostly a mix of chalky and older volcanic soils, you have no idea of what you’re talking about.
>>11106075
Bourbon barrel aged wine is literally a meme made to attract the beer and whisky drinkers into wine with overly vanilla laden shit wine.
>>11108877
>Austrian gruner veltliner
Good shit. I’ve been really enjoying some Austrian reds lately and they’re great bang for buck. I have a scotch aged in rivesaltes coming in tomorrow from Bruichladdich, I’m really looking forward to it.
>>11109896
Any Portuguese reds from Douro.
>>11110280
There are good Aussie Shiraz but nowadays it’s overpriced like Californian wine. John Duval Eligo is hella good stuff. Hermitage is pretty nice too though, there are some good similar blends in Canada that work well especially one from Foreign Affair that’s like 18% and it’s lush as fuck like an aged brandy.

[Anonymous No.11110851]

>>11110767
>scotch aged in rivesaltes
Damn, that would be a really cool barrel finish. Who makes that?

Also yes, Austrian reds, notably Blaufrankisch, can be super interesting wines.

Douro wines aren't as cheap as they used to be, sadly. Still a solid deal for how good they are, though.

[Anonymous No.11110927]

>>11110715
thats because the only Australian shiraz that gets imported to burgerland is dogshit

[Anonymous No.11111082]

For the sweet side:
Augusta in Missouri gets lucky some years with their Ice wine. We buy a bottle for Easter with dessert and if it is a good year we grab several for the rack.

At a family gathering a couple years ago I had to run to a ghetto grocery store to grab ice or something and stumbled into half a dozen dusty bottles of their 2008... bought them all.

[Anonymous No.11111091]

>>11111082
lmfao you realise that not every wine cellars like a nebbiolo or a left bank bordeaux, right? those bottles are past their peak

[Anonymous No.11111092]

>>11111091

[Anonymous No.11111201]

>>11111091
Yeah, you don't keep something that sweet around for fifty years or anything, but ice wine is weird, some years they don't get it at all because of how the rot rain and frost timings work out, some years it is okay, some years it is great. On the great years we get several bottles to carry over if the next couple years are meh.

Besides, it is ice wine, more than half a cup and you go into sweet overload. It is nice to have as a treat, but I doubt we have ever used more than 5 bottles in the space of a single year.

that being said those 2008s were amazing in 2015-16.

[Anonymous No.11111780]

>>11110377
Sounds like you have a healthy relationship with your mother. I'm happy for you.

[Anonymous No.11111785]

>>11105724
Petrus '98
Have two in my cellar. Suck me, poor fags.

[Anonymous No.11111831]

>he drinks Merlot

[Anonymous No.11112075]

>>11110767
I'm highly amused at the fact that you just got butthurt on behalf of California wine while deriding vanilla bombs when California is the undisputed world champion at ruining their over-sweet grapes with moar vanilla (not that there was anything to ruin), also
>implying Napa == California
>implying California wines don't suck
>>11110851
>Blaufrankisch
I wouldn't really call it "interesting", more like "cheap and cheerful". Blaufrankisch in a dixie cup is basically a staple at fast casual hipster vegan #localvore joints, replacing the previous "underground" hipster darling, lambrusco
>>11111091
>tips

[Anonymous No.11112078]

>>11110851
>Who makes that?
It’s a single cask from Bruichladdich Distillery, my buddy was over in Scotland last week and picked it up from the distillery as he’s friends with the distillery manager and they let him buy a hand filled bottle from that cask.
>>11111831
Merlot is good tho

[Anonymous No.11112086]

White: Peter Yealands sauv. blanc
Red: The Pessimist syrah blend

[Anonymous No.11112092]

>>11112075
You generalized that all Californian wines are shit and now that they’re all vanilla bombs which is factually incorrect while any bourbon barrel aged wine is always going to be overtly vanilla influenced.
>>implying Napa == California
Which part of California are you talking about then? If you mean boxed wine tier then no shit it’s bad, but to say that stuff like Stag’s Leap and Dominus is bad is ridiculous. It’s very overpriced but not even close to bad, their best Vintages are indisputable world class wines.
>Blaufrankisch in a dixie cup is basically a staple at fast casual hipster vegan #localvore joints, replacing the previous "underground" hipster darling, lambrusco
What vegan hellholes do you see this even happening at? Cause I doubt hipsters would go out of their way to get Austrian red wine when Portuguese is more available and better priced.

[Anonymous No.11112099]

>>11110927
>no true Australian shiraz
So how do the French manage to export good syrah while the mythical "good Australian shiraz" has never actually been documented by anyone outside Australia? Possible answers: It's just placebo. It tastes good to me. Aussies just have such amazing refined taste compared to the French that they keep all the good stuff. Aussies can make good shiraz we are just pretending to be retarded lol we troll u.

[Anonymous No.11112114]

>>11112092
But they are, even when it says "old world style" and "minimal oak", you pop that cork and the room floods with choking clouds of vanillin, it's absolutely disgusting. You can take a bottle of vanilla cherry coke syrup and stick a cork in it and people could mistake that for California ''''''pinot noir''''''

And don't think Napa is the only one guilty of this, Sonoma, Santa Barbara, they're all guilty. BTW the vast majority of California wine is grown on fertile productive soils in the Central Valley, whether you like it or not.
>when Portuguese is more available and better priced.
Portuguese wine is fine, but young hipsters lately have gone for Central European reds because the names are more fun to say. Also a 1L of Zweigelt or Blaufrankisch is like $11, I don't know what kind of flyover shit hole you live in where the only bottles of Austrian wine are $50 bottles of Juris but in normal places it comes at various different price points.

[Anonymous No.11112135]

>>11112114
>the vast majority of California wine is grown on fertile productive soils in the Central Valley, whether you like it or not.
Sure but almost all of that production is going into table wines. I’ve had plenty of pinot noir from California and the basic single varietals from grocery brands like Mirasou and Chateau St. John are almost always bone dry, inky and plum forward without any hint of sweetness morelsss vanilla sweetness. I can see why California has too many sweet reds but that isn’t vanilla sweetness persay.
>>11112114
>Also a 1L of Zweigelt or Blaufrankisch is like $11
I’m from Canada so we don’t see much Austrian outside of vintage stuff that costs $20 CAD and up. Most of the table wine from that area is German like Black Tower Rivaner and Dornfelder and Nün Riesling.

[Anonymous No.11112156]

>>11112135
It looks like you're getting your terminology mixed up, the vanilla smell comes from oak, not residual sugar. Also this goes beyond Mirassou gas station wine, I'm talking about supposedly "good" stuff like Mondavi, Au Bon Climat, Kistler, and so on.

Also the term is "per se"

>Canada
Sorry to hear that, I've been to LCBO stores in Toronto, I'd probably give up drinking if I had to pay extortionate prices for a selection of the exact same 15 bottles forever.

[Anonymous No.11112160]

>>11112092
>You generalized that all Californian wines are shit
All wine produced in the USA is objectively, fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.11112223]

>>11105724
>bully hill

[Anonymous No.11112237]

>>11112160
this doesn't seem to reek of personal bias at all.

[Anonymous No.11112278]

>>11108877
>Rhone syrah, especially hermitage and st joseph
>straight tempranillo Riojas
>vin jaune
>Friuli orange wines
>Alsatian pinot gris
Good taste mang, I like all that shit, gotta try Austrian gruner veltliner. Here's a few that I like too:
>Southern french/spanish pure grenache/granacha
>Mourvedre heavy southern france blends
>Modern tech/burgundy style beaujolais (Brouilly particularly)
>Southern italian varietals like nero d'avola or negroamaro for bang for buck fruit juice
>unoaked Chablis chardonnay
>well made french viogner

>>11110241
It truly is one of the best, high altitude ones from Ventoux are pretty good too.

[Anonymous No.11112318]

>>11112278
I got some ventoux wine because I’m a crazy cyclist extremist who doesn’t even own a cage

It was disappointing

[Anonymous No.11112354]

>>11110767
>Bourbon barrel aged wine is literally a meme made to attract the beer and whisky drinkers into wine with overly vanilla laden shit wine.
There's nothing wrong with a vanilla wine, just as there's nothing wrong with an overly spicy wine, or an overly cherry one, or an overly buttery one, etc. There's all kinds of wines in the world and only a faux-patrician self-important snob would start drawing lines precluding entire genres of wine from being "good."
It can be a meme, and be good. Most things become memes because they were first - wait for it - good.

[Anonymous No.11112408]

>>11108090
Excellent taste

[Anonymous No.11112468]

>>11112318
Too bad, I've had some pretty good ones. But there have been disappointing ones too.

[Anonymous No.11112574]

>>11105724
Thinking of switching to wine from beer for a bit. Beer is just getting old. So far the parts I understand, avoid California, washington and New York are solid, but mostly get imports from Europe. I think I've seen some people say there are a few south American winery's that are solid too tho

[Anonymous No.11112652]

>>11112135
California varietal wines are usually not. Your typical bottle of “cabernet” is like 47% merlot, they just for some reason are allergic to truth out west so grapes became like clothing brands at the mall. Same shit, different labels.

[Anonymous No.11113297]

>>11112574
Argentina is gross (much like Australia), but Chile makes some legit stuff.

Stay away from South Africa and New Zealand.