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[Anonymous No.10879287]

low carb diet, keto, atkins etc. diets totally bullshit. those who practice these diets are deprived of useful foods like fruits, vegetables, legumes, and grains. and their cats are all at risk of having a heart attack because of the high saturated fat.

[Anonymous No.10879304]

>>10879287
I think it's more of a short term diet, not really a lifelong thing.

[Anonymous No.10879308]

> useful foods like fruits, vegetables, legumes, and grains

You mean all the stuff that has been around for at most 15k years? Most fruits and vegetables less than 1k...?

Also: volume != saturation. Satiation doesn't work like a gas tank in a car.

[Anonymous No.10879314]

>>10879287
Low quality bait anon. Sugar and starch aren't useful foods. And nobody cares if cats have heart attacks.

[Anonymous No.10879317]

>>10879308
>Satiation doesn't work like a gas tank in a car.
This, 500 calories of cheese or meat will make you feel better than 500 calories of white rice even though the latter takes up more room.

[Anonymous No.10879321]

>>10879314
>And nobody cares if cats have heart attacks.
I do :(

[Anonymous No.10879324]

LMFAO i am never full when i eat fruit and vegetables but if i take a fsh oil pill im not hungry til the next day the fuck are you talking about dumbshit

[Anonymous No.10879325]

>>10879317
>Satiation

[Anonymous No.10879328]

>>10879325
bad post

[Anonymous No.10879331]

>>10879287
>>10879314
low carb and keto is good for cats and humans. Fruits and vegetables are part of all the diets you mentioned.
My cat eats primaly and is a lean, mean, frog slaying, bird ripping, laying in sunbeams for naps, kinda dude.

[Anonymous No.10879339]

>>10879325
>t. doesn't know English

[Anonymous No.10879340]

People use lowcarb wrong, its main benefit is to remove the desire for as much sugar and other carbs significantly. Sugar is an addiction in america currently

[Anonymous No.10879345]

>>10879287
>the angry anti keto fag is a vegan
color me surprised..
angry & vegan are almost a synonym.

>>10879308
>volume != saturation
this

[Anonymous No.10879361]

>>10879287
fat fills you up quickly because it is hard to metabolize for the body
problem is most people eat fat and sugar together, with a bunch of salt too

[Anonymous No.10879364]

>>10879325
>log for a brain
kek, the irony.
Oh, and you're an idiot. Probably because of a serious nutritional deficit.

[Anonymous No.10879366]

in a year or two nobody will even remember what the hell keto is and there will be another fad diet/program.

[Anonymous No.10879376]

>>10879366
You do realize that keto is a legit medical treatment for certain types of epilepsy, right?

It's not going away, even if non-medical dietary interest would go down. Which I doubt in a sugar over-saturated society.

[Anonymous No.10879380]

>>10879376
we'll see.

[Anonymous No.10879385]

>>10879376
>Muh epilepsy
You do realize that is a very limited application that has nothing whatsoever to do with the average joe, right?

>>Which I doubt in a sugar over-saturated society.
Sugar is the diet fad bogeyman right now. In the 70's it was fat. Then in the 80's it was cholesterol. In the 90's it was "saturated fat". 2000's it's carbs and gluten. I'm sure in the next decade there will be a new scapegoat for people to blame their health problems on.

[Anonymous No.10879396]

>>10879385
>Sugar is the diet fad bogeyman right now.
Sugar in moderation is fine, maybe. For me personally, more than like 5 grams of sugar at a time messes up my skin. But when the daily limit is supposed to be 40g and you have people consuming 100g+, it's probably going to cause problems. Overconsumption is still a bigger problem than any single type of food though, with over half of a lot of countries being overweight and a third being obese.

[Anonymous No.10879401]

>>10879385
>You do realize that is a very limited application that has nothing whatsoever to do with the average joe, right?

Are you incapable of comprehending English sentences?

Look what I wrote, you imbecile:
> keto is a legit medical treatment for certain types of epilepsy

Not even "epilepsy as a whole". How more obvious could I have stated this to indicate that I'm not talking about average Joe?

> Sugar is the diet fad bogeyman right now

That's you projecting. I wrote "sugar over-saturated" society. This doesn't claim that it's unhealthy, only very common and people get bored of it.

[Anonymous No.10879410]

>>10879385
> I'm sure in the next decade there will be a new scapegoat for people to blame their health problems on.

I think it all depends on, if the actual cause and cure for heart disease and T2 diabetes is identified. The fad bogeymen were temporary because they missed the mark. But at same point we're gonna hit on the right idea. So I'm hoping the low carb thing won't end up being a temporary fad and we've actually gotten on track to finding out the optimal diet for maximum longevity.

[Anonymous No.10879425]

>>10879410
The optimal diet is probably just a balanced and varied diet where you don't eat enough to become obese. You can eat carbs without being overweight.

[Anonymous No.10879445]

>>10879396
Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm not denying that overconsumption of sugar has health risks. That's obvious. But muh carbs do seem to be the current diet fad, and just like all the rest I'm sure it will be marginalized in favor of whatever is new and trending in years to come.

[Anonymous No.10879458]

>>10879401
>How more obvious could I have stated this to indicate that I'm not talking about average Joe?
If you're not talking about the average Joe then why post at all? There's no point to be made if you're talking about relatively rare cases. You're not wrong, you're just talking about things that nobody cares about.

>>This doesn't claim that it's unhealthy, only very common and people get bored of it.
Agreed.

>>10879425
This. But the problem is that people desparately want some kind of magic bullet diet that's easy to understand, and a bogeyman that they can blame their problems on. It's a lot easier to blame fat, or cholesterol, or sugar, or gluten, or whatever's next for their health issues than it is to pursue a balanced diet and more exercise.

[Anonymous No.10879469]

>>10879458
> If you're not talking about the average Joe then why post at all?

As a retort to

> in a year or two nobody will even remember what the hell keto is

which is highly unlikely, because keto is a medical treatment and doctors regularly subscribe it. Hence, the chances of nobody remembering it in one or two years are very small.

[Anonymous No.10879474]

Keto is for the fastos if you are a healthy fit person you wouldn't ever need keto

[Anonymous No.10879478]

>calories are the only thing that matters
why are whole food vegans such brainlets

[Anonymous No.10879479]

>>10879469
>Hence, the chances of nobody remembering it in one or two years are very small.

If only a few medical professionals and their patients remember it then it would be fair to say that "everyone will have forgotten it". "Everyone" doesn't have to mean literally every last human being alive, spergie. If the majority of people have moved on to something else and its use is limited to obscure medical treatments then it's fair to say that "nobody will remember what the hell keto is".

[Anonymous No.10879480]

>>10879287
What if I want to eat a generous serving of meat, fish,dairy and eggs, maybe 1500 calories worth, and eat another 500 calories of vegetables while leaving out sugary fruits? At about 35 kcal per 100 g it would take about 1.5 kg of veg to reach my base metabolic rate. Add another 500 kcal for the cycling I do to and from Uni and that's anothe 1.5 kg of veg. Don't think I'll go hungry at any point. Maybe even eat less veg ad more meat so I wont feel bloated as fuck without turning into a skelleton. This is the power of banning sugar and starch from your diet. I get enough carbs from dairy, "fruit" vegetables and stuff like carrots.

[Anonymous No.10879490]

>>10879479
> Everybody doesn't mean everybody. Nothing means anything if that would mean I'm wrong. If you think otherwise, you obviously have Asperger's.

And there he is, the eternal subjectivist.

Typical of leftist soy-boys.

[Anonymous No.10879542]

>not enjoying food
The only things that are truly bad for you are processed stuff.

[Anonymous No.10879561]

>>10879490
>> Everybody doesn't mean everybody
Correct. There are exceptions to everything.

>>If you think otherwise, you obviously have Asperger's.
Nah, you're missing the point again. Taking terms to their pedantic extreme is a characteristic symptom of Asperger's. The fact that you don't realize this is yet another symptom, really.

[Anonymous No.10879573]

I lost 40lbs in 4 months on paleo, fuck you faggot op
I've cut rice, pasta and sugar except whole fruit out of my diet completely for 6 months and I don't plan on going back

[Anonymous No.10879580]

>>10879561
Fingering your sister doesn't mean you're a doctor.

[Anonymous No.10879600]

>>10879580
Did you even ask him what he did with it? Why were there four left over?

[Anonymous No.10879637]

>>10879314
>essential for brain function
>not useful

[Anonymous No.10879700]

>having brainlets on your pc
Imagine being this much of a niggerfaggot on top of knowing nothing about nutrition

[Anonymous No.10879714]

>>10879287
OP is another mongoloid trying to speak on a subject he knows nothing about. Why is it always those that don't try keto who are the loudest?

[Anonymous No.10880274]

>>10879637
>what is gluconeogenesis

[Anonymous No.10880461]

>>10879637
>essential for brain function
The brain can run just fine on either glucose or betahydroxybutyrate, but it prefers betahydroxybutyrate, and in fact makes its own regularly. Your heart runs exclusively on betahydroxybutyrate.
Both glucose and betahydroxybutyrate are created continuously by your body, and can be produced orders of magnitude faster than your brain can consume them.
Neither of them require you to consume sugar or starch to produce. Next time you might want to do a little research before you go about broadcasting your brainletness, even on an anonymous anime board.

[Anonymous No.10880472]

>>10879287
this picture is retarded. Simply having a full stomach does not translate to feeling "satisfied." Try drinking a gallon of water when you're really hungry and see how satisfied you feel

[Anonymous No.10880521]

PROTIP: Human bodies are made of animal proteins and fats.

Vegans degenerate and waste away in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs

[Anonymous No.10880916]

>>10879287
motherfuckin SAND bitches

[Anonymous No.10880940]

>>10880521
no offense but the people in the video are cherrypicked low iq degenerates
i know lots of bodybuilders who are vegan
if you're not a low iq retard you'll be healthy, these people would be unhealthy even if they weren't vegan

[Anonymous No.10880966]

>>10879287
If i eat nothing but vegetables does that mean my poos will turn green?

[Anonymous No.10881329]

>>10880916
post the image please, I can't find it

[Anonymous No.10881354]

[Anonymous No.10881370]

>>10880966
Ask your mother.
She obviously shat out a vegetable at some point you fucking summer abortion.

[Anonymous No.10881390]

>>10881370
Worked

[Anonymous No.10881423]

>>10879287
implying that volume is all there is to be ing satiated
I just ate a steak , almonds , fage with berries
one meal a day

[Anonymous No.10881434]

>>10880472
I was going to say the picture is retarded because two bananas is over 200 calories, two oranges is 100 calories, and grapes are 110 calories per cup so if you're eating 1 bunch at a time you're past 500 calories BEFORE adding all the other shit in there.

[Anonymous No.10881484]

>>10880916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr3tZl2FY0g

[Anonymous No.10881991]

>>10879287
>you don't eat vegetables while on keto
Stop this meme.

[Anonymous No.10882020]

>>10879304
this guy is right. those low carb diets are meant to be done at max 6 months.

[Anonymous No.10882128]

>>10879385
>in another ten years, people will have a completely different biology so something else will be the problem

Sugar has rightly been the bogeyman ever since refined sucrose, and later HFCS, were dumped into everything on the supermarket shelves. Refined sugar IS the #1 health risk to inhabitants of the developed world. Soy, aspartame, fluoride, and all of these other memes are nothing compared to what access to cheap sugar and carbs have done, especially to vulnerable demographics like African-Americans.

> In the 70's it was fat. Then in the 80's it was cholesterol. In the 90's it was "saturated fat"
Yeah, the sugar lobby promoted that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/sugar-harvard-conspiracy-1.3759582
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2016/09/13/How-the-sugar-lobby-paid-scientists-to-point-the-finger-at-fat-JAMA

[Anonymous No.10882134]

>>10879325
Haha, what a fucking yard baby.

[Anonymous No.10882160]

>>10880461
Your brain is actually more oxygen efficient on keto because of what you mentioned too.

[Anonymous No.10882208]

>>10879287
So I need to eat 4 stomach full of veggies to get my 2000 calorie diet daily. I'm 6'3 and 210 of muscle chub.
This sounds exceedingly expensive

[Anonymous No.10882315]

>>10882020
how did humans survive before agriculture made high-carb diets possible?

[Anonymous No.10882358]

>>10882315
hahaha holy shit

[Anonymous No.10882379]

>>10881423
I'm convinced that Intermittent Fasting broken by OMAD is the healthiest lifestyle possible.

[Anonymous No.10882441]

>>10882315
they still gathered and ate honey, fruits, wild tubers when they were available. i eat a lot of protein and fat but if you want to go the naturalist route, early humans probably ate low carb during fall and winter and more carbs during spring and summer.

[Anonymous No.10882576]

>>10882441
>honey
>fruits
>wild tubers
that's not even a medium-carb diet anon.
Without agriculture, carbs were at best an occasional treat. fruit was scattered, not densely packed in groves and fields, and was only ripe a few weeks out of the year, with no refrigeration to preserve it, or hothouses to extend the growing season, or airplanes to fly it in out of season from south america. tubers were much smaller than our modern examples which have ten thousand years of selective breeding behind them. And honey had to be dug out of trees and the ground, when you could find it and brave the bees.

[Anonymous No.10883467]

>>10879287
>Forksoverknives
BEGONE, SHILL!
Animal based foods have more energy in less quantities. Why do you think our bodies evolved to digest it? I

[Anonymous No.10885104]

>>10879287
Low carb can be good for you if you actually get your fiber in the form of vegetables. Just eat a salad every once in awhile and don't overdo anything. Low carb isn't no carb, Always have a glass of milk and a fruit every day.
Even then, at the end of the day it's a diet. I went low carb for 3 months and slimmed way down, then went back to my normal eating habits and stayed that way while eating in moderation. I'll probably do it again soon.

[Anonymous No.10885179]

>>10879287
>meanwhile keto and all meat diets have reduced chance of heart disease
>biggest killer of vegans is heart disease
once your body adapts to a specific diet it will start functioning better
changing up your foods all the time, inconsistent eating times, sugar, processed white wheat, etc. are larger factors in people having health problems than meat or no meat. Also a heart health isnt properly measured by bloodwork, keto diets and all meat diets have people showing unusual bloodwork but their heart health is incredible.

[Anonymous No.10885188]

>>10883467
>Why do you think our bodies evolved to digest it?
to give us cancer and heart disease

[Anonymous No.10885192]

>>10882576
>only ripe a few weeks out of the year
They dried a lot of their fruit and many kinds berries were plentiful during he growing season so they could pick enough to last through the off season. Even fruit trees would be in groves due to seed dropping and sprouting. Also, starchy tubers would last a long time without refrigeration and were dried as well. See the Nez Perce and harvesting of the wild camas tubers in the PNW, for example.

[Anonymous No.10885195]

>>10879385
The difference is that sugar based diet always ruined human health when it was introduced. It always always know.

[Anonymous No.10885200]

most people that talk about veganism and vegetarianism etc. skip the fact that most bowels are horribly illadjusted to this diet. You'll get bloated and horrible gas.

Also wet shit, like diarrhea.

People with ancestry in europe were not made for that stuff. You can suffer all you wan't but a baked bread with a slice of meat will atleast digest.

If you go all veggies on a northern europe body you'll get terrible shits. You'll get anemic and weak.

[Anonymous No.10885210]

>>10879287
>he thinks keto/low carb isn't a high vegetable diet
You know nothing, fat faggot.

[Anonymous No.10885211]

>>10879331
How do you reach ketosis while eating fruit?

[Anonymous No.10885213]

>>10880940
No, what the video shows explicitly is that plant based/raw/vegan diet is unhealthy, no way around it. Most people there, even those that take supplements, are deficient and it fucking shows in their eyes, skin, face and mental processing.

[Anonymous No.10885215]

>>10879287
A high fat diet is the only thing that keeps me from being constipated. Fiber is bullshit. Doesn't work. Just makes your stool massive. It's hemorrhoid city. I eat my greens and everything, but always drenched in fat, or with a side of fatty meat.

[Anonymous No.10885224]

>>10885211
You can stay in ketosis while eating under 50g of carbs. For some people they can eat even more; buy ketone test strips to see when you've gone over and broken ketosis, and you can dial back your carbs a little.

Anyway, things like berries are really great for keto and usually recommended. Remember that fiber acts against your net carb count for the day so you can eat a little more in carbs if you eat high fiber. Keto is not a "zero carb" diet.

[Anonymous No.10885225]

>>10885192
Natural fruits aren't as sweet as we engineered them.

[Anonymous No.10885275]

>>10885224
50g of carbs is already a bit high for keto. Anyway an apple has about 22g of carbs, so 2 medium sized apples would be the absolute maximum for keto, even that might be too much.

[Anonymous No.10885285]

>>10879385
Each of them can cause legit issues though, but most diets are just an excuse to make you think more about what and how much you eat. You would have people losing weight on a "no bananas" diet as well.

[Anonymous No.10885299]

>>10885275
>50g of carbs is already a bit high for keto
No, 50g is the first real barrier, but for some people you can eat even more and remain in ketosis.
You need to take a look at the quality of your keto information sources. If you're reading from a website that urges you to buy their book - stop reading, it's all advertisement from there.

Don't eat an apple, it's one of the most sugary fruits. Apples and bananas are right out. A full cup of raspberries, a whole entire cup of them, is only 7g net carbs.

[Anonymous No.10885309]

>>10885299

I did keto for 9 months, lost tons of weight and felt like a million bucks waking up. The secret was to have a cheat day, i'd literally eat anything I wanted on a weekend day, and it never slowed my progress.

[Anonymous No.10885329]

>>10885309
I agree with having a cheat day.
The secret is to have your cheat day and then fast the day after: high calories consumption mitigated, and your carbs are drained right back out of your system to put you right back in ketosis where you left off.

Keto is a great, great tool for short time spans of 4-6 months.

[Anonymous No.10885851]

>>10885192
>Nez Perce
Try again. That's ca 10,000 years after the invention of agriculture on the Americas continents.

[Anonymous No.10885867]

>>10885225
This is definitely true. I'm an oldfag, and strawberries and melons weren't very sweet at all when I was a kid, you usually served strawberries with a little bit of sugar sprinkled on top. Nowadays they're practically candy.

[Anonymous No.10886242]

>>10885851
They were hunter-gatherers and didn't practice agriculture. They saved the Lewis & Clark expedition from starvation in the Bitterroot Mts (that's one reason US persecution of them was such an abhorrent, egregiously black stain on the whites) so they existed as a tribal unit long before agriculture products reached them.

[Anonymous No.10886289]

I've always felt considerably more full after eating meat than I ever do with plants

[Anonymous No.10888085]

>>10885299
>more than 15g of carbs per day
>"keto"

Well, you can enjoy larping if you want buddy.

[Anonymous No.10888112]

>>10885867
You just lived in Ohio during the Great Depression you flyover boomer

[Anonymous No.10888130]

>>10888085
No, he's right.
The whole 20g limit is pretty arbitrarily chosen to be somewhere between "high enough that its easy to meet" and "low enough to guarantee that you will get into ketosis" Once you've been in ketosis a while most people can go much higher than that without leaving ketosis. My personal limit is about 80g of carbs, which gets me down to about 0.8 mmol/L of serum ketones.

[Anonymous No.10888139]

>>10879287
That pic was made by a fucking retard i tell you hwat

[Anonymous No.10888149]

>>10881423
How many berries? Seems kind of low on fiber.

[Anonymous No.10888150]

>>10888130
Wait so you find 0.8 mmol/L and such acceptable? That about explains it.

If you want real keto, try under 15g carbs and get on the sweet 1.5-2.5 mmol/L

[Anonymous No.10888248]

>>10888150
0.5 and above indicate nutritional ketosis. If you want to maintain higher level of ketones then that is your choice.
However, if you're only hitting 1.6mmol/L at 15g carbs then you're really overdoing the protein. Again your choice, some people prefer more carbs, some more protein. Or maybe your glucagon or cortisol levels are whacked.

Yes, if I cut carbs back to 20 or so then my ketones get up to 3.5 or so.

[Anonymous No.10888272]

>>10888150
Why are you so weak willed as to settle for 1.5 or even 2.5mmol/L? Why not shoot for serious ketotis at 4.5 or 5 mmol/L?

[Anonymous No.10888334]

>>10879308
What was the average age of survival rate back in le caveman days?

30?

We Humans have gained more knowledge and science since 15,000 years ago.

[Anonymous No.10888358]

>>10888272
Because he's no longer a bipolar adolescent. But hey, you do you.

[Anonymous No.10888382]

>>10888334
>Humans have gained more knowledge and science since 15,000 years ago
And more cavities O_0

[Anonymous No.10888761]

>>10879573
Jesus Christ Anon. Why is it that people don't read books? Keto diet aim to trigger a reaction in your body to increase ketones. Ketones do a lot of things, but the big deal for a diet is that they help target fat and use that for energy. Now why is that a big deal, fat is our emergency reserves. We convert excess calories into fat and carry it with us. It is a wonderful survival mechanism, but we no longer live the lives our ancestors did. So we see a large amount of folks carrying way too much excess energy. Keto diets help cut weight by first giving a big fake boost (ketones cause you to burn water weight first) and then go after your fat stores. More importantly since you eliminate the body's primary source of fuel (carbs) you plunder those reserves more. Like pretty much any diet it can work (the only diet info you need is to eat less calories, weight loss is done in the kitchen not the gym). But there are other issues in hand and the intrinsic benefits it has for epileptics doesn't mean it's good for everyone

[Anonymous No.10889171]

Both Keto and Veganism are absolute meme-tarded normie tier fad diets. Reduce your caloric intake, eat a healthy amount of veggies, healthy carbs and lean meats. That is THE best diet, period.

[Anonymous No.10889857]

>>10889171
>healthy carbs
That's a meme created by big agriculture. The only healthy carbs are the ones you don't eat. All carbs turn into sugar within minutes. You may as well eat candy.
>lean meats
Turns into sugar within hours via gluconeogenesis. You may as well eat candy.

[Anonymous No.10889860]

>>10888150
>sweet 1.5-2.5 mmol/L
Weak Keto
Sad

[Anonymous No.10889868]

>>10889171
Yeah this. Extreme diets are pretty much always retarded.
>muh organic lean meats
>muh dairy
>muh sugar
>muh whateverthoseretardssay

[Anonymous No.10889979]

>stealth vegan thread

Not on my watch. MODS

[Anonymous No.10890062]

>>10879287
>and their cats are all at risk of having a heart attack because of the high saturated fat.
First off what? Second off good, fuck cats.

[Anonymous No.10890105]

>>10879287
>deprived of useful foods
>useful
Sure, but not necessary.

[Anonymous No.10890174]

>>10882134
>yard baby

[Anonymous No.10890657]

>>10882315
Even as hunter-gatherers, most humans' diets were 80+% plant matter. Hunting enough rabbits to feed a family is a lot harder than picking some leaves and berries off of a bush.

[Anonymous No.10890709]

>>10888334
>What was the average age of survival rate back in le caveman days?
>30?
Clearly retarded. That had to do with infant mortality being so high, which was more related to the dangers of non hospitalized child birth and roaming predators than diet. Once a child made it to about 8 or 9 then they usually lived to 60+.