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I was recently diagnosed with Crohn's Disease. I can't really enjoy food anymore. Don't take your ability to eat what you want for granted.

>> No.10842230

>>10842228
YOLO

>> No.10842273

>>10842228
eat only fatty beef for a month.
salt with half/half potassium/sodium.
magically your Crohn's will disappear.

>> No.10842279

>>10842273
I have never, ever heard of this as one of the "cures" and it sounds silly

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10842284

>>10842273

>> No.10842301

>>10842279
you'll find plenty of results if you websearch gut problems / IBS / Crohns + ketogenic elimination diet.

>> No.10842308

>>10842301
>ibs
>crohns
Pick one retard

>> No.10842311

>>10842228
>take the medicine
>eat whatever you like
really makes you think

>> No.10842336

>>10842308
those vague diagnoses basically mean "we don't really know what's wrong with you, so we'll just label it as a general thing".
but most of the modern vague gut issues are related to inflammation, which an elimination diet can fix.
beef delivers all the necessary calories, protein, fat, and minerals (aside from potassium/sodium, which you can easily add) and vitamins, and forms the safest base to start from.

>> No.10842355

>>10842336
>which an elimination diet can fix
m8 you can eat literally nothing and still suffer injurious levels of inflammation. Your solution is meaningless.

>> No.10842366

>>10842355
it takes time for the body to heal.
you can only fast for so long.
ultimately calories, protein, and fat so the body can fix its shit.

>> No.10842382

>>10842366
I said nothing about fasting. I spent a month on intravenous nutrition.

>> No.10842391

>>10842382
then you probably still received large amounts of glucose...

>> No.10842420

>>10842336
b8

>> No.10842595

>>10842273
>>10842336
I'm no dietician but I have a feeling a fiberless diet wouldn't be such a good idea for someone suffering from a severely inflamed digestive track.

>> No.10842614

>>10842595
that feeling would be wrong. dieticians don't anything about this shit either, so don't feel bad.
it'll take a few days to adjust to the different fiber intake, but after that it shouldn't be a problem.

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10842616

>>10842336

>> No.10842844

>>10842595
But that's the opposite of common sense
Someone with an inflamed tract should avoid insoluble fibre as much as possible

>> No.10842853

>>10842844
idk I feel like spending hours on the toilet shitting brown paste would do more harm to your inflamed colon than shitting out a solid poop. But then again I'm no doctor so what the fuck do I know.

>> No.10842864

>>10842853
Fuck all, apparently
If you had a bleeding open wound, would you rub sandpaper against it for the hell of it?

>> No.10842873

>>10842864
I think rubbing a solid poop against an open wound is preferable to rubbing soft poop, yes. There's less poop that will break off and get into the blood vessels and further infect the shit out of it.

>> No.10842897

>>10842273
Don't try this it makes mustard gas

>> No.10842899

>>10842228
I was diagnosed a couple years back anon, don’t worry after the initial panic it gets better. After some surgery and meds I can mostly eat what I want minus nuts and mushrooms. Also don’t listen to this guy
>>10842595
he is correct in that he has no clue what he’s talking about. After a flare up I just avoid fiber and hard to digest food for a bit and I stop shitting blood

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>>10842228
But if you were to poo from your mouth, wouldn't your GI tract recover over time?

>> No.10842996

gaps.me
congrats, you're now symptom free. 17 years here.

>> No.10843004

>>10842996
>shitty website that exists to sell you pseudoscience books

>> No.10843011

>>10843004
>he said after looking at it for literally 1 minute
shrug. ok, enjoy your colostomy/cancer. i'm symptom free for decades, but you know better.

>> No.10843036

>>10842311
That's notnhoe it works. if the medication even works, you still will have symptoms and fuck your digestive system up if you eat what you aren't supposed to.

>> No.10843044

>>10842996
You have been symptom free for 17 years..?

>> No.10843052

>>10843011
>i'm symptom free for decades,
That's nice. Good for you.

Just don't give the website credit for what had nothing to do with it.

>> No.10843068

>>10842301
That’s retarded

>> No.10843073

>>10843044
yeah. unless i deviate from the diet, in which case i get symptoms within 48 hours. the diet restricts the type of carbs you eat. they're almost all in monnosaccharide form, so they don't need to be broken down by the body in order to be absorbed in the small intestine, and as such never reach the large intestine where microorganisms would feed on them and cause the inflammation. over years they die, and by supplementing with probiotics you rebuild a healthy intestinal flora. millions of people worldwide use it. this idiot >>10843052 probably will do too, because it's the ONLY damn thing which works once you're resistant to steroids.

>> No.10843129

>>10843073
Oh you just follow scd. There is no study really supporting that and nobody would even recommend no taking a biologic and just eating the scd diet.

>> No.10843147

>>10843129
>nobody
except the endless thousands of testimonials online in which people recommend it, and the doctors i've seen who specialize in taking a dietary approach. One of whom did a study to support it.
Stay ill anon, you sound like an irritating little shit, go be as pessimistic a know-it-all as you like, but for anyone reading who's less inclined to whinge and insist there's no hope, do try it because it absolutely works.

>> No.10843185

>>10843147
My hospital has an IBD center with a doctor who is researching SCD specifically and he doesn't recommend SCD. The recommended diet is low fat and fiber, and high protein and carbohydrates

>> No.10843211

>>10843147
what is your diet actually like? What do you eat every day? SCD is almost zero carbs outside of monosaccharides right? Along with foods people with Crohn's shouldn't eat already, that really brings down the options so I am interested in what you actually eat every day......

>> No.10843253

>>10843211
Meats, non starchy veg, eggs, lactose free cheeses, nuts, seeds and fruits. Yesterday I had bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, beans for lunch with a banana for dessert. For dinner I had sirloin, asparagus and spiced poached pear for dessert. It’s mainly starch, gluten and lactose which put me in hospital.

>> No.10843286

>>10843253
So you eat whole nuts and seeds with no problems, I find that hard to believe, along with beans tomato's and mushrooms promoting gas and inflammation, and then the red meat you're eating is not helping.

>> No.10843295

>>10843286
It doesn’t really matter what you believe.
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/listing/

>> No.10843324

Bro, ditch acidic food. If you eat only alkaline food you will cure your crohn's.

>> No.10843609

SCD has not been shown to be effective, ever.

>> No.10843750

>>10843253
How are you able to digest that shit with Crohn's. If I eat more than a couple of nuts I get intense abdominal pain. I can understand eating fibrous foods outside a flare up, but mushrooms and their ilk start them up

>> No.10843891

>>10843750
It just sounds like a lie. Everything he mentioned there outside of the banana and pears are not really good for Crohn's

>> No.10843892

>>10843891
And eggs, my mistake

>> No.10844309

>>10843891
All I eat is starch, eggs, lean meat, and bananas. Plus this fermented food kick recently too since it’s summer and everything’s in season. There’s no magic diet to cure/diminish crohns, it’s just trial and error

>> No.10845031

OP, LOOK UP HELMINTH THERAPY

THERE I JUST CURED YOUR CROHNS DISEASE

>> No.10845036

>>10843004
I bet you believe whatever the FDA tells you.

>> No.10845455

>>10845036
So you think thiopurines are not carcinogenic? That's what the FDA says.

>> No.10845465

>>10842228
I know a guy whos had Crohn's all his life and hes the strongest man in his weightclass (70kg) in the country. Its all what you make of it.

>> No.10845891

What is with all of these people ITT with these diets

>> No.10845913

>>10845891
Crohn's is a very individualized disease - people have inflammatory responses to different foods to different degrees.

>> No.10846104

>>10845913
This thread is just people saying to not take any medication and instead don't eat carbs, basically. That is ridiculous. How badly do you people want a colostomy bag?

>> No.10846461

I developed a hemorrhoid over the weekend. Get enough fiber kids, it's not fun being unable to cough properly because your asshole screams in pain when you do.

>> No.10846603

>>10842228
Ignore all coments above, find what works for you anon.
Meds ofcourse, after that elimination diet where you figure out what gives you least issues, easy way to go about this is to start with 2-3 foods and if you are ok with those try something else, if not try something else as base.
I'd recommend something like white rice or potatoes along with few fruits like banans or apples and go from there. Keto is always an option but it's so unhealthy i'd just stay away from it even if it helps your digestive issues.
After few years of elimination diet i'm sure you'll find stuff you can enjoy. Transition is tough tho.

>> No.10847102

>>10846461
I thought you weren't supposed to have much fiber because it would mess pup your GI tract

>> No.10847131

>>10846603
>Keto is always an option but it's so unhealthy
blatant lies

>> No.10847967

>>10847131
It really doesn't seem too healthy

>> No.10848396

>>10842273
I would think the anti-inflammatory nature of keto would be pretty good for Crohn's tbqh.

>> No.10848487

>>10847131
Look admit it, medfags agree if your only health issue is you're a fatfuck you can do it for 6 months and lose a shitload of weight quickly. However, they also agree you cannot continue on it for prolonged periods w/o suffering serious damage. But you do you, there are Darwinian reasons your choices make sense for you.

>> No.10848817

>>10842228
You know what works good for relieving inflammation? Cannabis. I know it helps when my elbow hurts too much.

>> No.10848855

>>10846104
I have a colostomy bag, and this is AFTER taking all the immunosuppressants. Dietary restrictions work for some people, and that's great. I'm glad you guys found what works for you.

The pseudoscience peddling, however, is genuinely harmful.

>> No.10849006

>>10842897
BASED

>> No.10849253

>>10848855
Do you have Crohn's or colitis?

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>>10842228
Try juices and smoothies

>> No.10849885

>>10842873
you're an idiot. most people with IBD's result in significantly decreased symptoms on low fibre and typically low fat diets during a flare.
also other conditions can cause low fibre, low fat diets and low residue diets to be necessary. for example i have gastroparesis and chronic intestinal psudeo-obstruction, if i eat a normal or large amount of fibre i will not shit for over a week.
if motiltiy is impaired for WHATEVER reason, all that fibre just hardens into a rock in the intestines.

>> No.10849923

>>10842273
I don't think that's science, anon.

>> No.10849944

I understand the arguing about what is best, but can some of you post a few lunch/dinner recipes that are good for a flare? I am sure this is widely agreed upon? I have a hard time knowing what is okay to eat. I am not lactose intolerant, so can I have dairy?

I am newly diagnosed, and didn't understand when people would say they were in flares for months on end.

Well, now I do. Flare since April 2nd and it has not slowed down. I am on steroids and sulfasalazine now, but it hasn't stopped the flare (yet? not on max dose of sulfasalazine yet).

I appreciate any advice.

>> No.10850026

IBS anon here; I decided to go the reductionist route. Average height, build. Two day juice fast to start. Could be juice, or just water. The idea is blank slate and reboot. Then...basically change your approach to eating entirely. We eat largely for taste and satisfaction, as seen by the average diet. Reduce it to purely nutrition.

Start in produce. More neutral things first--one meal a day. Avocado, zucchini, cucumber, mushrooms, potatoes, so on. Cook minimalist, with few seasonings or sauces. This is for body science, remember. ABSOLUTELY NO BREAD OR MEAT at this stage. One filling meal per day. If all is well, expand--still in produce--cabbage, carrots, beets, tomato, raddish, green beans, peas. If all is well then you've eliminated these as the source of trouble.

Switch it up--another two day fast--then one vegetable with a hefty serving of brown rice. One meal per day, minimal seasoning no sauce. If all is well, mix all vegetables you like gradually until the deconstructed meal becomes a dish. Still good? No? Back a step; yes...proceed to the protein phase. Basic chicken is good because it's very neutral. Same process. I'm vegetarian, so I went the tempeh route.

Final phase is reincorporating bolder seasonings and sauces back in. Integrate them back in and see how you do. I would avoid bread, pizza, sandwiches, dairy--Americana food. Triple D food. Stick to rice, veggies and your choice of protein. Good luck, holmes.

>> No.10850199

>>10842228
my dad has crohns, he's fine, had a few flareups that almost killed him but he most certainly 'enjoys food'.

take care of yourself, take your immunoblockers, don't cut parts of your colon out if you can fucking help it because then you get on a one way train to the poop bag and it's all downhill from there. eat soft foods and drink lots of fluids and broths

>>10842336
everyone knows what crohns is now. an autoimmune disease that attacks any epithelial lining from your mouth to your anus. high inflammation, colon issues, and lack of ability to naturally absorb vitamin b12 to start

>> No.10850203

>>10843295
just sounds like you have celiac and lactose intolerance, m8. good for you. crohns, like any other autoimmune disease, targets cells with a distinct antigen. eating different foods does not change your cellular makeup, nor teach your immune response to not kill cells with the antigen they've already been taught to target

>> No.10850301

Had colo, rectal cancer yes, i appreciate that eating popcorn or mushrooms is out.

>> No.10850325

Check out Dr Max Gerson. The guy was a genius. Figured out how to nourish and detoxify the body at the same time to allow the body to heal itself. Facinating books and documentaries available online for free.

>> No.10850345

>>10849944
i'd really suggest at least avoiding large amounts of dairy anon. unless you know that it doesn't worsen your symptoms, be cautious.
obviously you should avoid your own trigger foods, if you know any. if you choose to experiment with your diet, a low residue diet can be a good safe starting point after which you can begin to slowly incorporate more foods to test your reaction. there are plenty of low residue diet examples online. try to see a dietician honestly, because malnutrition particularly during a flare is common. and maintaining healthy nutrient intake on low residue/low fibre, low fat diets is very difficult.

generally you'll want to eat small amounts often.
idk about recipes but foods i know of the top of my head:
small serving of white rice, white breads, any low fibre grains can be fine.
well-cooked peeled vegetables and canned fruits and vegies. potatoes without skins.
eggs, chicken, fish for protein
also smooth nut butters can be fine in moderation.
you should also certainly be taking a multivitamin during a flare, at least till you can see a dietician.
note that >>10850026 has IBS not crohn's. and desu that diet they describe sounds insane

>> No.10850352

How many quacks can people recommend in one thread good lord.

>> No.10850465

>>10849944
I've had 2 colonoscopies and been diagnosed with Crohn's for a few years and any doctor or nurse I've talked to always tells me to keep a close eye on the types of foods I eat and the reactions I have, but personally I haven't noticed any correlation at all between my diet and flares.

I've had a couple flares that would last a few weeks and the one thing they seem to all have in common is a spike in stress: times where I'm really pushing myself. I brought it up a little bit with my gastroenterologist last year and he basically said "Yeah, it could be a factor, but it's mostly about diet." My next appointment with him is next week so I'll ask him about the stress link again.

>> No.10850841

>>10850465
I've noticed that stress is a major factor in my flare ups as well.

>> No.10850877

>>10850465
>>10850841
Is it possible that getting stressed changes how much you guys are eating? Or what you're eating?

I don't have chron's but I've noticed that if I get really busy and stressed out I tend to eat much larger meals but less frequently, and I often don't drink as much fluids.

>> No.10850910

>>10850877
No, I eat the same pretty much all the time. If I eat too much in one sitting I get problems.

>> No.10851011

I assume you are on a low FODMAP diet?

I've got IBS too, took a bunch of genetic tests and have seen that I have the markers for Crohn's. Probably misdiagnosed, but the treatment is pretty much the same (don't eat nice things). I found that exploring outside of the traditional European cuisines helps a lot. Stuff like asafoetida powder, something I can only get at South Asian supermarkets, instead of onions and so on. Replacing pasta with stuff like rice or even the South African thing called samp. Even for hot sauces, instead of the traditional American stuff with the garlics and stuff you can find modern hot sauces without such things, for example African recipes like the Malawian nali sauces or Swazi 'white meat' sauces.

Elimination diets will tell you what you can and can't handle. Only rice and chicken/eggs for a week or two then introduce random shit slowly. Took me about 2 years of trial and error and disciplined adherence to dieting to find a place my body can handle. I've been through the lot, pro-biotics, anti-biotics, all sorts of chemical bullshit, psychological aspects even had a faeces transfer. My tummy is just fucked.

Its a curse, but its your cross to bear, see it as a challenge to overcome. I've had some amazing food journeys from just finding ways to avoid shitting myself, the restrictions can lead to some great creativity, and have been forced to try cuisines from places I have never even heard of before! Even if you aren't up for the adventure go check out leading research from places like Monash University and see if their stuff can't help you with a preventative approach.

>> No.10851092

>>10850841
Stress is a very common Crohn's trigger, as far as I can guess it's some kind of hormone reaction in the gut

>> No.10851095
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10851095

Sorry to hijack this thread but since there seem to be a lot of people with expertise and experience here:

For the last 9 months I've had nausea, mild burning feeling in my stomach, and I get very full easy. It seems to go in waves, it was really bad around Christmas, then it got a bit better, now it's back but not as bad as originally.

I've had ultrasounds, stool samples, blood work, got more blood work yesterday waiting on results from, endoscopy to check for ulcers and stuff like that.

What could this be? Could it be a food allergy I'm developing and just don't know what it is?

>> No.10851102

>>10850325
>detoxify
Sorry anon, the moment that word comes up I drop off. It's just too much of a bullshit pseudoscience buzzword to ever give me faith in something

>> No.10851288

I can eat whatever i want but due to fucked up nerves i've been in diapers my whole life cause my asshole dont work. I feel you OP.

>> No.10851450

>>10851288
i'm sorry anon :o(

>> No.10851509

>>10851095
You have h pylori, testing for it is really inadequate btw. I've been stuck with the same situation for like 8 years because of some retarded docs. If you find a correlation between water content in your food and response it is confirmed. (dilution of the already weak stomach acid). Not everyone (like 50%) get ulcers, there are a variety of strains with some producing more toxins and exhibiting different clustering behavior all very underresearched in its link to disease pathology and diagnosis methodologies, toxin molecular mimicry, underdigested protein also can affect later sections of the intestinal tract (my jejunum is fucked from this and I can't even digest sucrose anymore).

you can also test/significantly reduce symptoms with some "herbal" shit, mastic gum (aor brand works some are shit and not really the gum part of the tree) kill h.p. and also functions as an h2 histamine antagonist (lowers stomach acid - net gain though)
somewhat better I find is broc sprout extract/powder though its harder to find a brand that isn't chemically inert from poor manufacturing. i use cell logic's stuff atm, there are some other brands that work are sold in the US - you can look for calcium ascorbate in the ingredient list, that is a good sign.
I think a lot of IBS/autoimmune disorders may be caused by h.p. so I recommend anyone to try it, like only 50$ for this shit. The broc stuff produces a unique anti inflammatory (NRF-2) so crohns fags should find it helpful even if their disorder is real.

>> No.10851556

>>10851509
I had an endoscopic biopsy which tested for that and a bunch of other things. I'm really lost.

My sister tells me it is anxiety but it came on way too fast for that and i've been anxious my whole life and if anything I'm doing the best I've ever been now.

>> No.10851594

>>10851556
Stess is just what stupid doctors say for anything they don't have an answer for, they used to say it for ulcers and it still hasn't been completed eliminated from the knowledge-sphere. There's actually a japanese study that says you need at least 7 or 9 different biopsy sites to have a good chance of diagnosing it, mine have also come back negative but I know my herbal shit works and am water sensitive, and pure glucose bloats my stomach immediately so it's the only logical contusion. I would try one of the supplements and try a dry diet or/and a watery soup diet and see which is worse, if your stomach is fine you shouldn't notice a difference. If you have intestine inflammation I've found a rotary diet to help (eat corn for a week then potatoes then bread etc). Also if you do go for antibiotics make sure you don't take any fluoroquinolones as you can permanently destroy your liver and your tendons (or even your heart with newer ones).

>> No.10851629

>>10851594
My mind is blown. Do you have a link to that Japanese study? I'm trying to find it.

I'm so confused on the diet stuff you are mentioning. I know carbs, protein and fat... and I know carbs convert to glucose/sugar, but that's about the limit of my nutritional knowledge.

>> No.10851734

>>10851629
Glucose is a monosaccharide, or call it simple sugar that is easily digestible. People with Crohn's need to stick to monosaccharides like glucose, fructose, and galactose. This means no foods with added sugar(sucrose) or dairy(lactose is a disaccharide, lactase breaks down the lactose into glucose and galactose, and this is why it is easy to digest and tastes sweeter than lactose milk) and only eating certain fruits for a sugary dessert like cantaloupe, honeydew melon, banana, papaya, guava, as they digest slow, are nutritious, and the sugars are easy to digest

>> No.10851756

>>10851734
So if I suspect I have h pylori do I just press my doctor to try and test for it more? What's the treatment for h pylori? I already had a course of antibiotics...

>> No.10851757

>>10842228
Yeah I don't know much about Crohn's, but I know that I have pain-sensitive nerve endings places I shouldn't so doctors diagnosed me with irritable owl syndrome and it's a bad idea for me to get bound up. A lot of fiber from mushroom, spinach, and similar plants as well as staying very hydrated helps. And yeah don't take life for granite.

>> No.10851780

>>10851756
I am not the same person

>> No.10852307

>>10851756
I am not sure if that is easy to get rid of.

>> No.10852357

>>10851756
turmeric

>> No.10852579

Are tomatoes bad for people with Crohn's? What about marinara sauce?

>> No.10852618

>>10851011
>but the treatment is pretty much the same
No. The treatment for IBS and IBD are nothing alike.

>> No.10852666

>>10852618
>>10851011
Haha, I think he meant diet

>> No.10852726

>>10850877
Good question. Stress doesn't really change the palette of my diet, but the amount does change a bit. Similar to you, my meals get a bit bigger and a bit less frequent, but I believe Crohn's flares are much more strongly correlated with types of foods than amounts.

Still, meal sizing is something I didn't really consider so I'll be sure to bring that up with my gastroenterologist next week, too. Thanks.

>> No.10852939

>>10850352
Kek

>> No.10853082

@10842336
i don't know what's worse on /ck/: diet fags or /pol/tards.

>> No.10853147

>>10850199
i know someone with the no colon and the bag and she seems super cool with it. she recommends it if your crohns is bad enough.

>> No.10853167

>>10852579
It varies from person to person. I don't have a problem with tomatoes but I've read of people that do.

>> No.10853172

>>10852726
In my personal experience eating too much gives me problems.

>> No.10853733

>>10851629
Sorry (forgot about this thread), I've looked for a while but I can't seem to find it (was a few years ago I read it), if you look for h pylori false negatives or similar you will find comparison of test types and the like though. The diet stuff? more water in food = less acid in stomach, with h. pylori constantly producing ammonia through urease it means a very weak stomach acid, so if you have hp you should notice a trend (unless your digestion is really horrible and everything makes you extremely ill I suppose). Pure glucose or fructose you can buy, I mention it because it doesn't require any real digestion so if your stomach is healthy you it should pass through and then hit your duodenum/jejunum and be absorded through passive/active transport, normally not producing a lot of gas. If you have hp it will bloat you most since the bacteria will multiply with the nutrition hitting stomach and activate their urease production (producing ammonia + CO2 from stomach's urea) and also they will ferment the sugar which produces gas too.
>>10851756
Yeah I would push for more testing, different types. Urea breath testing isn't too expensive or difficult. Treatment is not that high success rate, 70-80% IIRC also if I remember right the mastic gum I mentioned has a study that showed 10-15% increase success rate. Regime is 2 antibiotics and a proton pump inhibitor which prevents production of stomach acid so that the bacteria don't cluster into the epithelial as much and the antibiotics aren't destroyed. Amoxicilin + a mycin and omeprazole is standard iirc a few other alternatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicobacter_pylori_eradication_protocols

>> No.10853887

>>10842228
>I was recently diagnosed with Crohn's Disease.
Bullshit. Well actually no, I believe you were diagnosed with crohn's, but I doubt you have it. It's just the "in" ailment for everyone to have right now and quacks are handing it out left and right anytime someone mentions stomach pain. And then people go and change their entire lifestyle because doctors are too lazy or incompetent to figure out what you actually have.

>> No.10854006

>>10853733
Also if I should mention what I thought was obvious I guess, that weak stomach acid has trouble breaking down proteins & fat and it shouldn't be surprising that when those proteins reach the intestine they can trigger an immune response. Also side notes acid reflux is caused by weak stomach acid & gas, gas causes upchuck and weak stomach acid makes your cardiac sphincter release. If your acid is even weaker it can make your pyloric sphincter open and your stomach contents literally dump into the small intestine (known as dumping syndrome).
Terribly unpleasant, once ate sliced pickles that dumped and it burned its way through me for two days, probably the most painful experience of my life and I've even had all kinds of other horrible things happen like nearly rupturing a tendon in my hip to the point I couldn't even sleep from pain.

>> No.10854019 [DELETED] 

>>10842228
If I blast greasy diarrhea after drinking, do I have chohns? And, goddamn, does that shit stink. Especially if I pound v8s before I go to bed.

>> No.10854022

>>10842336
I love meat and it's porbably the e coli lol. They literally found out you can put athlete turds in fat people and they lose weight.
Gut biota is funky as hell.

>> No.10854038

>>10853147
>hypochondriac alcoholic with chronic diarrhea
>asshole itches in bed
THAT'S IT, IM DONE FOR.
>gun enters mouth

>> No.10854047

>>10854022
That is not true at all, they lie using mouse studies. Mice do not have comparable digestives systems to humans,they require bacteria to digest food in their hindgut whereas humans have a vestigial hindgut and use our own enzymes to digest food, minimally using bacteria for some mineral production from undigestable fiber.

>> No.10854057

>>10854047
While our duodenum is much more advanced, gut flora (such a misnomer) is extremely important. Take strong antibiotics for a month and tell me how you gut feels.
And adjusted mice based models are pretty fucking accurate most of the time. Pigs would be more accurate, but they require a lot of food and breed much slower.
I actually have a little bronze statue of a mouse because my grandfather worked with lab "rats." They respected the hell out of those creatures for their sacrifice.

>> No.10854083

>>10854057
You obviously dont know what you're talking about, mice are useful because of their (relative to size) liver metabolism similarities their digestive system is largely incomparable as with any herbivore or omnivore that has a large caecum. I have in fact taken many courses of antibiotics without a negative change as it happens the real risk is when you eliminate the more benign species with a nonbroad spectrum ab. Lastly the duodenum is not responsible for producing enzymes that differ from mice, more unique enzymes are found from the jejunum and ileum, the duodenum is little more than salivary and stomach enzymes like amylase and protease and some glut5 sites.

>> No.10854094

>>10854057
Confused cecum and duodenum. Point mostly stands. The cecum exiets as a haven for beneficial bacteria after a flush. Sometimes this backfires. And yes, our cecum is simpler and we generally don't try to digest cellulose.
Hence the appendix trying to take over immuno duty and still fucking up half the time.

>> No.10854101

>>10854094
your point is wrong regardless, there have been studies done with sterilized intestines and the only negative needing up to 50% more magnesium in your diet and some other minerals

>> No.10854103

>>10854083
I'm gonna reverrg to 4chsn speak here:
Are you fucking serious, nigger? Are you saying intestinal disturbances aren't the number one side effect of prolonged antibiotic use?

>> No.10854111

>>10854103
>revert to 4chan
Lost my cool there.

>> No.10854126

>>10854103
your bacteria useful because cecum-appendix premise is self refuting if you knew how the gut actually worked, 99% of digestion is already completed by the time chyme hits the cecum. So how could bacteria be useful even if the cecum was functional as in herbivores.

As to intestinal disturbances I already explained the pathology. Besides that sure some people will generate an inflammatory response to the usually toxin derived antibiotics yeah sure.

>> No.10854127

>>10854101
>>10854083
Assuming you're the same poster, you sound knowledgeable enough, I'll give you a shot to change my mind or correct me. Sauce me up.

>> No.10854162

>>10854126
>So how could bacteria be useful
This statement alone is so dumb I'm working hard to not get angry. Shoving horizontal gene transfer aside, because bacteria that help you through mutualism out-compete the bad ones.
Bean-O is literally fucking bacteria enzymes. You can't digest beans properly without good gut flora. For fuck's sake.

>> No.10854165

I have UC and it diagnosed with a biopsy

faggots claiming it is fake are retarded

>> No.10854189

>>10854162
non gamete gene transfer, important? raffinose isn't a substantial food source falls under indigestible (mostly fibres) as I said
>>10854127
maybe tomorrow I need to sleep soon

>> No.10854202

>>10842228
Have you considered helminthic therapy for Crohn's?

>> No.10854203

>>10854189
Whether you consider beans a staple or not, they are.
You must be an extreme germaphobe. And this is coming from a germaphobe.
Did you know mites are living on you eyelashes and in the pores of your eyelashes at this very moment?

>> No.10854221

>>10854203
beans are not made of 100% raffinose dummy, if they were you would shit yourself every time you ate them

>> No.10854234

It's really weird but when ever I drink water I get bloated and start sweating and my sweat smells like ammonia.

What could this mean?

Please help.

>> No.10854242

>>10854221
You'd get massive constipation, realistically.
But be straight with me here.
Are you really trying to deny the importance of gut flora? We aren't ruminants, sure. But... C'mon.

>> No.10854248

>>10854234
B.O. smells like ammonia. Shower more often. Obtain pussy.

>> No.10854254

>>10854248
I shower everyday with DIAL soap.

I don't know why I'm having this reaction with water.

>> No.10854259

>>10854254
Try a new soap then, you fucking moron.

>> No.10854261

>>10854259
I get bloated and start sweating after drinking water.

This has nothing to do with hygienics.

>> No.10854265

>>10854261
Well then chug it alone and don't drink before a date, ya fucking mong.

>> No.10854267

Can I get a serious answer from someone that's not this moron >>10854265

>> No.10854273

>>10854267
You barged into the conversation and tried to make it yours. You're a fucking hole, aren't ya?

>> No.10854279

>>10854242
No when you have a mass expansion from fermentation your gut purges you could reference studies on the max amount of sucrose that can be digested at one time. I am and I outlined the functionality enough that if you had a good understanding of human digestive enzymes it would be pretty obvious I'm correct.
>>10854261
you have an infection of urease producing bacteria, I would guess. there are some that infect weird places like joints etc

>> No.10854297

>>10854279
Would you call someone with a gut chock full of campylobacter healthy? I'm just not getting your angle at all.

>> No.10854607

>>10854297
Noody knows if you actually have that. We can diagnise crohns easily through a colonoscopy

>> No.10854624

>>10851095
more or less the same shit with me, even for the same amount of time. doesn't sound like the stuff described in this thread (less serious I guess re: amount of pain/effects in that it never really goes beyond the nausea/getting full), but unsure exactly WHAT it is. I doubt it's an allergy/intolerance thing since it feels like it gets triggered by pretty much anything and everything I eat, nothing more or less than any other

haven't gone to a doctor yet but will soon because I finally got tired of waiting for it to go away n its own, so I'm still in the dark here

>> No.10855896

>>10854297
I am just saying if you take all bacteria out of your gut you can digest food perfectly fine. You may have less minerals from fibre etc that's it. Obviously if you fill your gut with ecoli or camplyobacter you will be sick but that doesn't make lactobacillus essential to digestion, it's just benign or helpful to exclude other bacteria.

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10855980

I was recently diagnosed as completely blind the other day. I literally can't see anything anymore. Don't take your eyesight for granted.

>> No.10856219

>>10848396
>eat only fatty beef for a month.
That's not proper keto.

>> No.10856231

I have UC and can eat anything I want
take your meds OP

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>>10842228
>Waahhh! I have Crohn's Disease!!!

Stop fucking eating, fatty. It will go away in a week.

youtu.be/Wb8NEA2hSsM

>> No.10856551

>>10856439
Wow he's a like a /fit/ version of that potato weather man. Why is he screaming at his mic?

>> No.10857073

>>10856439
People with IBD typically are severely underweight/malnourished/anemic, definitely not fat. My BMI was something like 14 in the hospital.

>> No.10857167

>>10856219
it's only a month.
after that you can start re-introducing vegetables.
depending on the person, a week or two might do.

>> No.10857883

>>10856231
I have that too. What're you on? I'm on 4.8g of Lialda daily.

>> No.10857907

>>10849923
fuck science. Not everything can be fixed with science. Sometimes only a little luck, magic, and a pinch of Jesus will do the trick.

>> No.10857922

>>10842228
>>10857073
the only person I know with Crohn's is a fatass that would probably fix most of her issues by losing fifty pounds.

>> No.10858200

Starting off, suffered from debilitating ulcerative colitis for 3 years, lost 35 pounds and couldn't eat anything without bloody shits. Docs never helped, started a quest to fix myself. Some advice to get you all started.
>>10842273
This will in all seriousness likely help you tremendously but don't -start- here. Often times, like with myself, people with these health conditions cannot handle dairy. Start Keto, as the most important thing you can do is GET OFF OF ALL GRAINS. The why, comes later.
>>10842301
Nope, and I'm not the guy who started with the insane (But positive and real) advice.
>>10842308
Same root causes (In regards to the huge modern boom)
>>10842336
Correct
>>10842355
Correct, and I do advocate use of steroids while sussing out your diet. Doing nothing, does not help.
>>10842595
Fiber helps flush colon, and it scrapes and cuts your inflamed lining causing more blood, infection and inflammation. #1 from all doctors is no roughage.
>>10842996
One of the most useful dietary resources on the fucking internet. Absolutely try this and you -will- see results.
>>10845455
FDA is wrong about a lot, they do not care about you. Look into negatives of soy research, and negatives of pasturization.
>>10845913
True, but often it pertains directly to fucked up diet
>>10846603
Do NOT do what this man suggested. No sugars, no grains. No exception. Ever. Potatoes are fine. Rice is a grain, avoid.
>>10848817
Marijuana can help, correct.
>>10849944
Eat nothing, otherwise soft potatoes and some meat. if youre not lactose, cottage cheese repairs colon lining.
>>10850199
It stems from GMO grains being insoluble. They stick to your digestive tract lining and block absorption of nutrients, and your body sees it as an enemy and starts attacking your own body. Its why it is so fucking hard to treat, because it seems like its a plethora of issues AND its deliberately covered up.
>>10851594
Solid information here, I would advise against corn as its one of the primary.

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>>10858200
you
>>10852357
Massively beneficial for gut health. Include onions, and garlic.
>>10853082
Shitting on people isnt helpful. Food companies do not care about you. They literally put poison into food because they can make money.
>>10853887
Correct
>>10854047
Mice studies have time and again been the foundation for starting human trials.
>>10854165
UC isnt fake, as I said in my other post I had it. Cured it myself painstakingly over half a decade.
>>10856439
I hate big pharma but again I will reiterate that if inflammation is bad enough, a steroid intervention is needed (Then a fast for a week or two would almost certainly help you)

Now onto myself.Previous post I said what my issue was. I was lactose intolerant for two decades. One month with no grains and no sugars removed all lactose intolerance, bloating, discomfort and all remaining aspects of my UC. Doctors consistently made it worse and did not help me. They prescribed shit meds and hurt me.

If you have one of these gut issues and dont take my advice, that is fine. if you talk to a doctor and they never question your diet substantially on any level, walk the fuck out.

TLDR
Cut all grains, the GMO grains used today are the root cause (They intermingle with sugars and cause tremendous strains on your system while blocking helpful nutrients.) Ketosis is seen as so helpful currently because of the omission of grains, NOT carbs. As soon as your body is able to, begin eating fermented dairy like kefir and cottage cheese. Whole fat unpasteurized foods are good. Omega 3s are good if they have not been super heated (Pilled omega 3s are poison, do not eat them unless it says explicitly that they are not pasteurized. evoo can go to like 180F before they break down? Not sure on that.

Shit is fucked badly right now. Millenials will be the most poisoned, chronically damaged generation in American history because of the misdeeds of thef ood industry and the uncaring money hungry attitude of the medical industry.

>> No.10858259

>>10842228
Hey, dude. Crohn called. He wants his disease back.

>> No.10858282

>>10858257
I'll keep the thread open to give advice or insight too. I'm not a doctor, but I have spent as I said half a decade (7 years) researching holistic remedies, cooks, actual digestive doctors, scientific studies - and tested a plethora of things on myself. How you eat is directly related to everything going on inside of your body. Nobody knows how to cook anymore, and everyone eats absolute shit. Everyone values their life above all but is too scared to tamper with their own body. Treat yourself like a computer or car and don't go to a doctor at the first sign of something you can fix by eating right.

Seasonal allergies went away too, after removing grains.

>> No.10858653

Little disappointed, so many people had problems here. I'd love to help. Not gonna bump advice for people idk are still in thread though.

>>10857883
My UC meds gave me acute pancreatitis and I almost died.

>> No.10859323

>>10858200
im inclined to agree you but im a chemist by training and i want to know why you felt the ned to differentiate between potatoes and rice.

in my eyes, both are starches, unless youre talking about brown rice, which is just fiber + starch

>> No.10859336

>>10859323
Rice is a heavily genetically modified grain. I have no doubt whatsoever that potatoes are modified too! I can't properly explain in a way that is satisfactory. If you're a chemist in training, you almost certainly know more than me.

Although, that you don't bring up varying strains of rice is important. (I say that knowing I didn't bring up multiple breeds of potato.) I know for a fact, rice fucked me up. Potatoes did not. Potatoes hurt me worse with skin on. I do not know why.

I used jasmine, long brown, and parboiled white, all fucked me up just like corn and wheat. (Jasmine was my primary, mixing the same spiced with potatoes that I did with jasmine rice improved my health. I noticed no positives from the rice mix. Anecdotal, I know. I dont know why, other than GMO stuff - but I acknowledge potatoes are probably as GMO as grains, its just different in effect.)

>> No.10859354

>>10848487
Damage of what? What doctors say that?
Do you think that keto is only bacon with eggs and cheese 24/7?

>> No.10859477

>>10858200
>>10858257
brainlets like you just muddy the water with useless drivel

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>>10858259

>> No.10859602

>>10842897
kek'd

>> No.10860268

>>10859354
Isn't it high fat high protein and no carbohydrates

>> No.10861819

>>10842311
This is how normalfags actually believe chronic diseases work.
Here's the reality:
>Take the medicine
>Symptoms are partially suppressed for a bit before coming back even worse than before
>Disease itself never stopped and your immune system has attacked even more of your intestines leaving them a mangled mass of bleeding ulcers and scar tissue
>Horrible side effects from medicine compound your problems and maybe give you a new disease like pancreatitis or cancer
Modern medicine isn't magic. It blows my mind how many people believe all disease has been solved and you can just pop some fantasy pills that'll make it like you never even got sick in the first place.

>> No.10861834

>>10856439
>>10857922
>Having an opinion on how a disease works based entirely on one person you know
Why did you think this made any sense?
Also Crohn's is known for stunting growth from how emaciated and malnourished it leaves kids who have it.
If you're fat and have Crohn's or UC than you're probably on the extremely mild end of the disease spectrum.
Either that or you confused IBS with IBD.

>> No.10861859

>>10859557
>Crohn's look of disappointment as he finds out OP stole his shit

>> No.10861968

>>10847102
If your GI tract is already fucked due to a medical condition, yeah, but otherwise there's no harm. We used to eat a LOT more than we do now and other than farting and pooping more people weren't worse off for it. Imagine the peasant braaaps when their staple food was shitty bread made out of legumes, sawdust, weeds, and roughly ground whole wheat.

>> No.10862509

>>10861819
this.
real niggas fast until the return of hunger.

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>>10857907
>a pinch of Jesus

oh wait I thought it said, pinch my butt

>> No.10862871

>>10857907
>giving out information about nutrition, an objectively science-based field (or how it's supposed to be)
>'fuck science'

It's okay to be wrong, anon.

>> No.10862923

>>10861819
Well that is stretching things but it's definitely not a guarantee that it will work

>> No.10863216

>>10842228
hey man I'm so sorry to hear that, I wish life would get easier

I'm lactose intolorant, and I'm sensitive to sugar, I've basically eaten like a Monk.
but I couldn't imagine this, please stay strong dude

>> No.10863277

>>10863216
You can get a sucrase (sucraid) enzyme and lactase in the USA. I'm also unable to digest sucrose, lactose, calcium etc but sadly I don't live there.

>> No.10863301

>>10858200
>ulcerative colitis

I also have it and we seem to have a lot of different experiences. For example rice to me is fine, has no effect. One of the things with the largest effect on me is parsley and it really sucks because it is in so many foods.

I'm about to go to bed but I'll leave you guys with a warning. I was in remission for over two years. I needed to lose weight so I went on a high protein diet. Was doing well, lost like 10 pounds, quick. Got a lot of protein farts that wouldn't stop. Then my UC came back with a vengeance. So be very careful of high protein diets. I think I messed up the microbes in my intestines, which triggered it with ammonia.

>> No.10863308

>>10861819
There is a cure for auto immune disorders like UC and crohns.
Not legal in most countries and high risk of death.

You need to destroy your bonemarrow with radiation or chemo, then get a bone marrow transplant from someone without auto immune disorders.

>> No.10864126

>>10854624
Good luck anon. I just got my blood test back and my folate levels are low, despite the fact that I eat really healthy. So, maybe some clue there.

Of course it will take ages for the doctor to do anything because they are busy.

>> No.10864559

>>10863301
Gyou need anhigh protein diet to get out of anemia during flares

>> No.10864581

Some of the things have being said I this thread so so ridiculous

>> No.10865807

>don't take it for granted

Isn't that exactly what I should do while I still have the chance though? I always thought the phrase, "don't take things for granted" as a low-key oxymoron.

>> No.10865887

>>10865807
It means to appreciate things and savor the moment, I think

>> No.10865917

>>10865807
>>10865887
"enjoy it while you can" might have some overlap, but IMHO the real point of "don't take it for granted" is to imply that you need to put forth effort in order to prevent from losing whatever it is.

I.e. "don't take it for granted" that your car always starts implies that perhaps you should perform maintenance otherwise one day the car won't start. Or a common one: "don't take your BF/GFs love for granted". In that case it means paying attention to their needs more otherwise he/she will leave you.

>> No.10865936

>>10842228
>I was recently diagnosed with Crohn's Disease

Good.
Fuck You.

>> No.10867412

>>10863308
Where are you getting this from

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>>10865936

>> No.10868358

>>10842228
suicide is your only choice

>> No.10868758

>>10843295
>>10850203
Celiac reporting in to back up this. I used to think I had it bad, then I met a guy with Crohn's.

>> No.10868900

>>10862923
5-ASA is the first thing tried for Ulcerative Colitis and Crohn's most of the time.
Mean remission rate for 5-ASA is around 42% compared with 24% in placebo-treated patients.
And that's just remission, not even getting into reversal of inflammatory damage.
So more patients than not won't even get basic symptom relief from the first-line treatment.
Prednisone (cortical steroids) is the next drug usually tried (not uncommon for this one to be used as first-line treatment too).
Unlike with 5-ASA, Prednisone introduces a number of serious side effects / complications and isn't even supposed to be taken long term since it'll suppress endogenous cortisol production which can lead to adrenal crisis once you're off it.
Immunosuppressants like Infliximab (Remicade) are the next resort and are even higher up on the health risk scale (these are the drugs that can increase your risk for lymphoma and other cancers).
For Ulcerative Colitis at least you have the option of full blown proctocolectomy (surgical excision of your entire large intestine i.e. both your colon and your rectum are gone). Some small intestine can be used to make an internal substitute for your rectum (J Pouch) or you can get an ostomy bag. Inflammation can still come back in the J Pouch but it's generally not as severe as the inflammation that went on with your large intestine. This approach definitely works but it's obviously not ideal to be without a large intestine. Stool is a lot less well formed and you don't have the large intestine's bile salt filtering anymore. It will feel like you're shitting acid, and you'll be shitting only 5-8 times a day if you're very lucky.

>> No.10869104

>>10868900
You are making things sound grim when they really aren't a big deal. Biologics increase risk based on what they do. The risk is about 1 in 2500 lymphoma and the average population is something like 1 in 5000. Your chance of a brain tumor is 1 in about 160 in your lifetime as a healthy person and lymphoma I know is higher than 1 in 2500. I don't think you are knowledgeable enough, maybe your intentions are good though. People with Crohn's still live full lives. This isn't like having AIDS or something. The thiopurines such as Azathioprine and Mercaptopurine are definitely more dangerous than any biologic. The only people who are in some big trouble from Crohn's have short bowel syndrome, and not everyone with Crohn's even has inflammation in their small intestine and that is never a problem for them. The risk of malignancy exists for you already. Don't take thiopurines. Nobody should.

>> No.10869828

>>10861819
>>10868900
You need to see someone because your outlook is terrible and definitely not helping you.

>> No.10870420

>post your experience
>magically everyone on /ck/ is a dietitian/GI doc now
Condolences OP. What do you think you'll miss the most?

>> No.10870680

>>10869104
>grim
I'm trying to steer the perception here towards reality in response to the ridiculous claim you can just pop a couple pills and make serious chronic disease magically go away.
Malignancy isn't common even with this increased risk, but it's a bad enough problem when you do have it to where it absolutely is appropriate considering an increased risk as a legitimate reason to avoid the treatment associated with it.
There are much more common problems you run into with Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis that I haven't even touched on e.g. fistulae. That was just a quick outline of what's being missed with the view that you just take medicine and you're fine.
>This isn't like having AIDS or something.
I never likened it to AIDS. Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis probably won't kill you. That doesn't mean you're going to be fine thanks to magic pills either though. You can both be alive and have serious problems.
>>10869828
No, denying the reality of chronic disease is the "terrible outlook." You don't have to feel sad about it, but you shouldn't pretend everything's fine either. The world in general would be a much better place if people were more aware of what chronic disease is really like and how there aren't a bunch of pills out there that somehow nullify your problem.

>> No.10870698

Crohn's people have the smelliest brrrrraps.

>> No.10870756

>>10858257
>FDA is wrong about a lot, they do not care about you. Look into negatives of soy research, and negatives of pasturization.
Can I eat fruit? I love fruit ;-;

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Diagnosed with Colitis Ulcerosis two years ago. Very rarely do I experience flares. It's usually fixed by only eating white rice, canned veggies and eggs for a few days. I always keep medication stored in case a flare would continue. Best tip I can give is to be experimental with your diet. Make sure to stay in touch with your doctor and to get a checkup every 2-3 years.

Do not listen to the pseudo scientists in this thread. These deceases completely differ from person to person. You don't want to end up with a shitbag on your hip, do you?

>> No.10871466

>>10870870
An ostomy isn't the end of the world. It's not like your not going to live as long, or it's some painful existence wearing a bag in your lower abdomen. Compared to not having any option, why wouldn't you do it? You can still live your life as you would have otherwise. Your partner obviously just had to be understanding. If a girl loves and has sex with you and you have a colostomy bag, you know for sure.

>> No.10871511

>large bowel Crohn's
>infliximab worked awhile, then I became resistant
>put on humira, but didn't work well enough to quell inflammation
>ileostomy
>works for a year, then became resistant to humira
There's two approved drugs left and one in trials.
What happens when I run out?

>> No.10871518

>>10842228
My wife has had Crohns for 15 years. She had her colon removed last year. Don’t take your ability to poop what you eat for granted.

>> No.10871676

>>10871511
I posted the post right below yours. My wife did almost the same routine. She did humira then a temp ostomy for six months. They then tried to remove the most inflamed portion through surgery while she tried a new experimental drug. Nothing worked and she kept getting sick so last year they finally did a full removal with a permanent ostomy. She’s still under 30 so we thought it would be a massive deal, especially since she hated the temp one but our lives have been better than they’ve ever been since the operation. The stress that comes with being sick all the time is just gone and she doesn’t feel sick every day, it’s amazing.
It’s been half a year and I still haven’t seen her bag once, it’s very easy to conceal. I wish we had done it sooner.
Not saying this is what will happen to you, but if it comes to it it’s not all bad.

>> No.10872221

>>10871511
If you truly run out of medications and nothing is working, you will have surgery and poop into a little bag for the rest of your life, or until something better comes along. It sounds scary or annoying but it really isn't a big deal. Short bowel is the complication that Crohn's can bring that you really don't want to deal with. A colostomy bag is nothing. You change out the bag and make sure everything is all nice and clean,never sitting on the toilet again etc...otherwise you are like everyone else

>> No.10872229

>>10871518
Pooping before Crohn's was sort of nice, but when you have Crohn's, pooping is not enjoyable at all. I am sure she is happier now than before the colon removal.

>> No.10872397

>>10872229
Yeah without a doubt. The first few years of our marriage were really bad and it was mostly thanks to Crohns. She was always sick, going to the bathroom like 6 times a day, no sex life for months because it was too painful/she was sick. Since the surgery it’s been an absolute night and day difference, things couldn’t be better. For anyone else in this situation, I can’t speak for her, but having a bag on your stomach is infinitely better for your mood and health than being in constant pain.

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>>10842228
try traditional Chinese medicine
seriously
follow the strict as in super strict instructions without cheating
lots of changes because your bad habits already made you sick to begin with over the many years
it will take time to repair the damage depending on how much of a wrecked condition you are actually in currently

herbal teas will get you some more timely assistance likely 4/6 weeks but are not as lasting as a balanced solid meals

>> No.10873463

>>10873305
Chinks need to be banned from the Earth with their tiger penis pills and hot water religion.

>> No.10873534

I got diagnosed with Crohns 6 months ago, as well as anemia. In last two weeks ive been also diagnosed with appendicitis. Getting that out soon and switching my meds to (inflexia?). Wish me luck bros

>> No.10873699

>>10873534
Infliximab is good stuff. Complete relief for as long as it works, though you may need to get your dose adjusted before it does that for you. However, don't be surprised if you eventually become resistant to it. Do what you can to never miss a dose.

>> No.10873702

>>10873699
Thanks anon

>> No.10873726

>>10849253
I think he'd know. And they're not even similar

t. guy that has ischemic colitis

>> No.10874193

>>10873726
I have Crohn's colitis

>> No.10874380

>>10872221
>If you truly run out of medications and nothing is working, you will have surgery and poop into a little bag for the rest of your life
I think you missed the part where that anon said they already have an ileostomy (unless it was a temporary ileostomy and reversed already):
>>10871511
>ileostomy
You can have your large intestine removed and still have serious problems, especially with Crohn's.

>> No.10874398

>>10874380
If you don't have those problems before the removal, outside of resections creating SBS, you don't really have problems. If you don't have mouth ulcers, you typically don't suddenly get them later with Crohn's. My Crohn's is entirely in my colon and I have never had a mouth ulcer. If I have an ostomy then I will have to worry about SBS from them cutting before my illeium but we have medications to prevent that as much as possible and hopefully it works.

>> No.10874399

>>10845891
>What is with all of these people ITT with these diets
When people are faced with really fucked up problems the tendency to believe in questionable solutions increases.
Desperation basically.
Also it's not uncommon for people in general to not even believe serious problems without good solutions even exist in the first place. Just look at the people in this thread claiming all you need to do is "take your medicine" and you'll be fine, as though there's a pill that makes all these problems disappear and the anons in this thread who ended up with ostomies somehow must have decided to not take their disease solving wonder drugs and brought the need for surgery on themselves.

>> No.10874406

>>10874398
No, cumulative frequency rates of inflammation returning in some area of the remaining small intestine 10 years after IPAA surgery range from 23% to 46%.
Not talking about mouth ulcers.

>> No.10874429

>>10871511
I had my whole colon and rectum out. The disease is now in my small intestine, shit is trying to kill me.
If you live in a country/state with cbd or dudeweed I recommend that.

>> No.10874433

>>10874399
Surgery for Crohn's is definitely the last resort since it seems to start a never ending path of future surgeries, but I think I'd you take care of yourself and it comes to it, you have no reason to be upset. I think accepting the disease is the best path. I do see a pattern in people who needed surgeries and how unhealthy they are for sure. they skip their infusions more often, are overweight and never exercise, don't listen to the dieticians and eat inflammatory garbage, smoke etc... The people who don't change and continue living an unhealthy lifestyle are typically the percentage that the Crohn's messes up the most and have ostomies and SBS. I have many people I talk to with Crohn's who actually take care of themselves and they maybe have a mild flare every couple of years, otherwise nothing. It is definitely a somewhat manageable disease if you are willing to change unhealthy habits.

>> No.10874471 [DELETED] 

>>10842228
Here's what you do-
Find blogs on the Internet written by people who claim to have their Crohn's with diet. Buy their books about how the government and the pharmaceutical companies are in a conspiracy to sell you drugs when you can cure your Crohn's with their diet that miraculously worked for so many people. Try their diets one by one. When you finally achieve remission, start your own blog and write your own books about a diet that miraculously cured your Crohn's disease, and how the evil government and the pharmaceutical companies are in a conspiracy to make money from Crohn's, when there's a diet that will cure it.

>> No.10874476

>>10842228
Here's what you do-
Find blogs on the Internet written by people who claim to have fixed their Crohn's with diet. Buy their books about how the government and the pharmaceutical companies are in a conspiracy to sell you drugs when you can cure your Crohn's with their diet that miraculously worked for so many people. Try their diets one by one. When you finally achieve remission, start your own blog and write your own books about a diet that miraculously cured your Crohn's disease, and how the evil government and the pharmaceutical companies are in a conspiracy to make money from Crohn's, when there's a diet that will cure it.

>> No.10874679

>>10874433
>I do see a pattern in people who needed surgeries and how unhealthy they are for sure. they skip their infusions more often, are overweight and never exercise, don't listen to the dieticians and eat inflammatory garbage, smoke etc... The people who don't change and continue living an unhealthy lifestyle are typically the percentage that the Crohn's messes up the most and have ostomies and SBS.
How many people are you basing this conclusion off of? 10? 50? 100?
This is why you don't use anecdotes to draw conclusions about how diseases work. The actual evidence all points to the things you mention having no causal role in Ulcerative Colitis or Crohn's.
Every person *I* know with these conditions is horribly emaciated, not overweight, but I wouldn't go around saying "typically the percentage" of people with these diseases are underweight when what I'm really talking about is a tiny handful of anecdotes.
Why you're wrong aside, you should also avoid doing things like this because you're spreading a bullshit idea that people with serious problems brought it on themselves, which is a dickish thing to do in general but an especially fucked up thing to do for diseases notable in their lack of relationship to diet or "unhealthy lifestyle."
It's not a type 2 diabetes situation.

>> No.10874838

>>10874679
Are you saying that your diet, exercise, and whether or not you take the medications prescribed by your GIs doesn't influence whether or not you will eventually need surgery and the prognosis of your Crohn's disease? That is probably not the case. This is a chronic disease and not eating pizza isn't going to make it go away but is it really the case that we have no idea and aren't in control at all? Surely we have some idea of how to control it, medications do work for long periods. Skipping your infusion is an easy way to make it stop, and apparently it is common for people to wait an extra few weeks between infliximab infusions and wonder why it stops working. I think there is a way to maximize your chance of remission. I understand that I am not a GI and am probably being irresponsible and am wrong with what I am sayingand I don't want anyone to listen to me. Talk to your GI, not a random person on the internet please