/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10813640]

If you had to kill and harvest your own meat could you do it? I know I couldn't

[Anonymous No.10813646]

>>10813640
I would actually pay to learn how to clean and butcher many types of aninal

[Anonymous No.10813652]

>>10813640

Yep. Move on future vegan cuck.

Oh wait a barrel of faggots will take your bait. Nvm then.

[Anonymous No.10813656]

I'm already vegan

[Anonymous No.10813663]

>>10813640
You can bet your ass boy

[Anonymous No.10813665]

>>10813640
Yeah I would. Did it with deer and fish, could do it with cow and pig.

[Anonymous No.10813667]

>>10813640
As long as I had a way to cleanly and humanely kill it yeah.

[Anonymous No.10813674]

I'll eat what I hunt but I don't raise livestock. Even if I could slaughter I know my wife wouldn't have the heart for it.

[Anonymous No.10813677]

Yes. If it actually bothers you to kill animals you probably should just be a vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.10813683]

>>10813640
I could kill animals but I would probably eat less meat

[Anonymous No.10813687]

If I was starving, otherwise no.

[Anonymous No.10813688]

>>10813674
Based Hunter Poster

[Anonymous No.10813718]

>>10813640
I would do it for fun, probably wouldn’t even eat half the animals

[Anonymous No.10813721]

>>10813640
Sure. I'm 39. I've been hunting, skinning, and butchering my own game since I was 14.

I fish too.

>>10813646
You don't need to pay. Plenty of resources online. But if you really want hands-on experience, find a buddy who hunts, or contact any of the zillion small mom-n-pop sort of farms around--many of them have classes where you can show up and participate in butchering a pig or cow and then take some meat home when you're done.

[Anonymous No.10813738]

everyone takes it for granted how easy it is to put meat on the table. if people were forced to harvest their own meat we'd have a lot less meat eaters lmao

[Anonymous No.10813742]

>>10813640
yes
if you had to spent all day in the woods looking for fruits and vegetables to eat or you could have a burger what would you chose?

[Anonymous No.10813743]

>>10813640
Yeah. I'm gonna eat it anyway.

[Anonymous No.10813754]

>>10813742
the act of killing is really powerful. when you see that you've taken life from a sentient being it really impacts you. I killed a bird today with a pellet gun and it kinda scarred me tbqh

[Anonymous No.10813762]

>>10813754
i kill bugs all the time
not spiders tho

[Anonymous No.10813769]

>>10813718
Real meemsters would kill pigs just for the bacon and leave the rest at mosques

[Anonymous No.10813770]

>>10813762
u know what i mean

[Anonymous No.10813777]

>>10813770
to me its not different, i dont have empathy for animals

[Anonymous No.10813783]

>>10813777
then youre a psychopath or at the least a sociopath

[Anonymous No.10813789]

>>10813783
i have empathy for humans

[Anonymous No.10813794]

if you ever met a highlander you'd have no problem killing them

[Anonymous No.10813815]

>>10813754
I agreed with you until you said you randomly killed a bird not for food. That's some stupidass shit dude.

[Anonymous No.10813816]

>>10813640
I have before and I will in the future

[Anonymous No.10813826]

>>10813640
i fish and have chickens, so..ya you donk. i was squemish the first few times but you get over it

[Anonymous No.10813850]

>>10813815
i know, i was just shooting at birds but i never actually killed one until today. really shook me. obviously wont kill for shits and giggles anymore but damn it sucks to kill

[Anonymous No.10813871]

>>10813850
anon why the hell were you shooting at birds to begin with? But at least you seem to be reflecting on what you did. Please don't shoot at birbs anymore.

[Anonymous No.10813873]

>>10813754
>>10813850
Wasn't this a john steinbeck short story? Are you real?

[Anonymous No.10813892]

>>10813873
yes faggot, i killed a red cardinal today
>>10813871
i just got a new air rifle that goes 1300 fps, i just wanted to see what it could do

[Anonymous No.10813920]

>>10813754
Now you have to drink it's blood, for tradition of the hunt.

[Anonymous No.10813930]

all ready do buttercup

[Anonymous No.10813951]

>>10813640
>Kill and harvest a cow
>Get enough food for at least half a year
You'd be retarded not to.

[Anonymous No.10814067]

>>10813656
Kind of happy to see this. I'm not vegan and I hate annoying vegans who try and shove their shit down everyone's throats but the american dairy association has also been shoving their "WINNERS DRINK MILK" bullshit down everyone's throat for decades.

http://www.dvo.com/newsletter/weekly/2012/03-16-267/is-dairy-healthy.html

[Anonymous No.10814074]

>>10813640
desu I would eat less meat but I would still kill something to eat it from time to time.

[Anonymous No.10814082]

>>10813640
God we have this thread everyday
>>10813892
You're a fucking faggot for killing songbirds for no reason

[Anonymous No.10814117]

>>10813640
Yes. Grew up in the country, and have done this many times. Killed, gutted, skinned, cleaned, and butchered.

[Anonymous No.10814120]

>>10813892
>killing cardinals pointlessly
>calling others a faggot

fuck yourself anon. itd be different if it was a sparrow or gull or starling, but a nice songbird? fall in a well

[Anonymous No.10814128]

>>10814120
kind of coming off as a homo yourself

[Anonymous No.10814136]

>>10813640
cuteness is just how nature tells you your meat isn't ready for harvest yet
like a green fruit not being ripe, when an animal makes you go LOOK AT DA FAAAACEE AAAAAHHH!!! it means your livestock is not ready
they should be slaughtered when the animal no longer evokes that reaction

[Anonymous No.10814159]

>>10814082
>>10814120
fuck u faggots. i feel terrible, i dont need to gayboys to rub it in my face. u act like you've never done anything wrong fuck off

[Anonymous No.10814190]

>>10814159
good for you

[Anonymous No.10814196]

>>10814159
Sure as fuck never killed anything by acting like a retard

[Anonymous No.10814207]

>I know I couldn't

Well, you are weak and don't deserve good food.

Of course I could (and do) dispatch animals for food. Only a small child (or a degenerate vegan) would whine about preparing delicious food.

[Thick 7 3/4 incher No.10814217]

>>10813892
I felt bad for shooting a chipmunk that was fucking with my garden. Even worse that I had to shot it in the head again to kill it.

[Anonymous No.10814223]

>>10813640
Yes, but I would have to cut out pork. I have a soft spot for pigs, my neighbor had a massive hairy beast of a pig that acted like a particularly friendly dog and I loved the guy when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.10814234]

Yes. And for all the vegans who claim otherwise: I doubt that they've ever had to experience starvation with no ready access to food. You would be surprised at what you'll eat to survive.

[Anonymous No.10814237]

>>10813640
The key is to not get emotionally attached and to thank the animal for its sacrifice.

[Anonymous No.10814242]

>>10813640
The only animal I've learned to properly gut and clean is fish, and it's super easy. I think learning how to properly guy and store meat would be valuable.

[Anonymous No.10814243]

>bought green onions
>ate them
>decided to try re-growing them in a glass of water
>had to refill the glass a few times over a few days
>they actually grew
>can't bring myself to eat them now after caring for them

[Anonymous No.10814267]

I'm into homesteading, so yeah, I generally kill what I eat. Mostly it is lamb, pigs, rabbits and chicken, which sometimes I exchange to neighbors for their beef and goats.

[Anonymous No.10814287]

>>10813640
Yeah
Meat is delicious
I kill bugs all the time, I bet killing a chicken is like killing 5000 bugs

[Anonymous No.10814291]

>>10813640
I kill and clean my own after a hunt...had a buddy that used to hang his pigs in my garage after killing them, used to get some good eats from that...
At one time in recent past, all men used to do this, however most coastie roasties are panty waists...
Most don't know how to reset a breaker in their fuse box ffs...

[Anonymous No.10814296]

Yea I could, and have. Kinda lost a lot of empathy when I lost family members so it doesn't bother me at all.

[Anonymous No.10814297]

I think I would be too attached to an animal I raised myself, but probably ok with hunting wild ones.

[Anonymous No.10814300]

>>10814243
next time put them in dirt
you can regrow food like that, but if it doesn't have any of the nutrients, it won't taste very good

[Anonymous No.10814327]

>>10814291
>circuit breaker.... fuse box
glad to see that heartland edumacation is working out for you

[Anonymous No.10814339]

>>10813640
No, which isn't exactly the reason why I don't eat meat. I can't quite justify in my mind why I should cause suffering and death to sentient creatures when I can continue existing very comfortably without harming things that have both wills of their own and emotion. It seems entirely selfish and indefensible if you live in the first world and I've yet to hear anyone make a convincing argument for eating meat.

[Anonymous No.10814366]

>>10813640
I could do it to chickens.

[Anonymous No.10814400]

>>10814339
>I can continue existing very comfortably without harming things that have both wills of their own and emotion
But that's not possible you ponce. The very act of living is built upon the backs of the dead. Growing crops requires taking habitat away from animals. Even the most well-meaning organic vegan farm has to use pest control measures, and even organic pesticides and fertilizers cause massive problems (fish kills) with runoff.

>>convincing argument
That's easy.
1) animals die anyway.
2) many vital nutrients we humans need are more bio-available from animal sources
3) humans lack the adaptations that strict herbivores have. Our intestines are too short. We don't have a rumen. and we aren't coprophagic (well, most of us).

If you look at human physiology it's clear that we are neither carnivores nor herbivores but rather are some happy medium in between.

Anyway, the fact that you're using electronic devices to post online means you're clearly OK with causing at least some degree of enviornmental harm. Mining rare earth metals to make computer chips and fancy display screens causes massive damage. So does the toxic waste generated from rechargeable batteries. If that's OK with you then why not eating meat?

[Anonymous No.10814445]

>>10814400
>Growing crops requires taking habitat away from animals
Crops also have to be grown in order to feed the animals we also slaughter en masse.

1) animals die anyway.
Not convincing, the animals the vast majority of people eat aren't given even close to their full life and endure all of it in unimaginably terrible conditions. They die eventually, but why should I cause them pain, suffering and premature death when I don't have to?
2) many vital nutrients we humans need are more bio-available from animal sources
But do we need to consume animals in order to get these nutrients? Or are there alternatives? If there's alternatives, which there are, why should I opt for the choice which facilitates greater suffering?
3) humans lack the adaptations that strict herbivores have. Our intestines are too short. We don't have a rumen. and we aren't coprophagic (well, most of us).
It seems many of us are surviving quite comfortably without consuming meat, so I think we can get by.

>the rest
It's all about degrees and choosing the least amount of evil as possible. Of course I can't reduce my entire footprint, but if I can within reason cause less impact, then why shouldn't I? Especially when it's so directly linked to the suffering and death of billions of sentient beings yearly?

[Anonymous No.10814452]

I could, but Id probably eat exclusively elk meat.

[Anonymous No.10814460]

>>10814445
do you realize how much butthurt your being a vegan causes people on the internet yearly though?

really, give it a good think.... can you really endure knowing that there are so many raging lard asses crying such salty tears because of you and your life choices?

make the ethical choice and become the status quo omnivorous strap hanger you were born to be!

[Anonymous No.10814466]

Yes, in fact that's the only ethical way. I feel kinda bad eating abused animal meat made by the shitty industry but if it was me in charge of raising and killing the cows myself it wouldn't be so bad since I know they would have a better life and death at my farm than anywhere else. Too bad I can't afford it.

[Anonymous No.10814470]

>>10814466
It's less unethical, but it's still less ethical than not consuming meat at all. Which is an option available to you.

[Anonymous No.10814483]

No, i'm a lazy piece of shit. In fact, sometimes i'm too lazy to even simply get food someone already produced

[Anonymous No.10814487]

>>10813640
Yes, but I'd only do it until lab-grown meat became available

[Anonymous No.10814497]

I could do fish and poultry but I don't think I could raise and kill friendly animals like pigs or cows.

[Anonymous No.10814501]

>>10814445
>>but why should I cause them pain, suffering and premature death when I don't have to?
Nobody said you had to eat factory farmed meat. Zero-cruelty alternatives exist.

>If there's alternatives, which there are, why should I opt for the choice which facilitates greater suffering?
The animal source is healthier for you, and doesn't imply suffering at all, unless you choose CAFE meat, which I assume you would 't.

>>It seems many of us are surviving quite comfortably without consuming meat, so I think we can get by.
By that logic we should't get an education either--after all, people have survived just fine without K-12 and college.

>>Especially when it's so directly linked to the suffering and death of billions of sentient beings yearly?
1) sapient, not sentient.
2) you can eat meat without suffering.

[Anonymous No.10814509]

>>10813640
>if

I do, it's called hunting. I'm also the one who butchers and cooks it, since I don't trust other people to not fuck that part up either. Pic related is my favorite type of venison stew.

[Anonymous No.10814524]

>>10813640
I already do. I have my red seal for butchery.

[Anonymous No.10814530]

>>10813646
This. I'm a female and even I want to be a butcher. It's peaceful cutting down a whole side of beef or making up your own cuts of meat...

[Anonymous No.10814534]

>>10813920
Based red Dawn poster

[Anonymous No.10814539]

>>10814530
post tits

[Anonymous No.10814556]

>>10814539
Jokes on you, I'm flat as a door

[Anonymous No.10814560]

>>10814445
>But do we need to consume animals in order to get these nutrients?
For people who can digest lactose, it probably provides health benefits, and you can't get it from plant foods. And it's just high quality protein that most plant foods can't match in that area.

>many of us are surviving quite comfortably without consuming meat
We can survive without it, but we thrive with it. And no, animal products aren't the cause of obesity and obesity-related health issues, processed carbs are probably a bigger factor but overeating in general can happen with any kind of food.

Most people probably eat too much meat, and waste a lot of it, but there are still good reasons to eat it. Just eat it in moderation when you feel like your body needs it (for me that's about once per week, and I'm vegetarian the rest of the time) and support the development of things like lab-grown meat.

[Anonymous No.10814567]

>>10814556
post dfc

[Anonymous No.10814573]

>>10814501
>Nobody said you had to eat factory farmed meat. Zero-cruelty alternatives exist.
Such as? Killing innocent beings is an inherently cruel thing to do, and allowing animals to live out their lives fully and freely until old age or disease isn't a sustainable way to source food.

>The animal source is healthier for you, and doesn't imply suffering at all, unless you choose CAFE meat, which I assume you would 't.
Healthier? So the alternative sources are still healthy? Or at least healthy enough? There appears to be plenty of vegans and vegetarians living healthily and comfortably, so they don't seem to be essential.

>By that logic we should't get an education either--after all, people have survived just fine without K-12 and college.
When were school and college directly linked with the kind of suffering and death present in the meat industry? I know Americans experience a lot more death in their schools relative to the rest of the first world, but it's still hardly an apt comparison.

>1) sapient, not sentient.
Your American education is showing. Only humans are sapient, animals are sentient.
>2) you can eat meat without suffering.
Unless you've allowed the animal to live its life freely and allowed it to die of old age, no you can't.

[Anonymous No.10814588]

>>10813640

I have done it before. I killed two pheasants my grandfather raised that I had helped with (he had a small bird farm) so we could eat them for Thanksgiving lunch instead of Turkey.

> Meat was better than I thought it would be actually

It gave me more of an appreciation for the things I eat, which probably made the meat taste better.

[Anonymous No.10814597]

>>10814560
I'm definitely in support of the development of lab-grown meat. Before I quit eating meat I really did enjoy it, my reasons for giving it up were almost entirely not being able to sustain its consumption due to the direct link to pain and death. If that pain and death could be removed, I'd happily consume lab-grown alternatives.

[Anonymous No.10814607]

>>10814588
Did you do the GRAB AND SPIN?!

[Anonymous No.10814620]

I'm glad farm bred birds are really fucking dumb. Don't think I'd have the heart to kill something like a Hornbill.

[Anonymous No.10814621]

>>10814607

Lol, nah. Held on to its feet while my grandfather cut its head off. Didn't throw it because it started jerking all crazy. Then after he told me to throw it, it started bouncing around all crazy.

For a guy who was only like 18 years old and had never seen or done anything like that before, it was a pretty memorial moment for me.

[Anonymous No.10814653]

>>10814573
>Such as?
Hunting, and truly old-school small scale farming. I don't consider killing to be cruel so long as it is done in a manner in which the animal feels no pain.

>When were school and college directly linked with the kind of suffering and death present in the meat industry?
I wasn't talking about suffering or death. I was talking about what is truly "neccessary" or not.
You stated that people seemed to be OK without optimal nutrition, so why not extend that logic further? The idea is to point out that optimal is best. Optimal nutrition is good, just as optimal education is good.

>>animals are sentient
Yes, I know. What's the problem with killing a sentient being? It's the sapeient ones we mustn't kill.


>>Unless you've allowed the animal to live its life freely and allowed it to die of old age, no you can't.
Nonsense. When my uncle visits his hogs (only a handful on several acres) and one comes running up expecting its usual treat-which it gets--and it also gets a 357 to the brain, where do you see any "suffering"? Mr piggy went from happy and carefree in a life of luxury to being stone-cold dead in a millionth of a second. How, exactly, did that pig suffer cruelty?

[Anonymous No.10814707]

>>10814653
>Hunting, and truly old-school small scale farming. I don't consider killing to be cruel so long as it is done in a manner in which the animal feels no pain.
Killing is just about the cruelest thing you can do to another creature. You rob it of all ability to think, move, and feel. There's less horrifying ways to kill, but it's inescapably a cruel act.

>Optimal nutrition is good
You can attain a good and sustainable level of health without the introduction of meat into your diet. Optimal education is a poor comparison because optimal education isn't explicitly linked to pain and death, therefore attaining optimal education doesn't have the same negative tradeoff that attaining optimal nutrition does, assuming that you're even correct about optimal nutrition requiring the consumption of meat.

>Yes, I know. What's the problem with killing a sentient being? It's the sapeient ones we mustn't kill.
Because the creatures we consume are innocent, living, and sentient, and we kill them without any justification other than selfishness. To eat meat is to support industries that rob lives, purely in service of the self, and rarely with the intent of nutrition, instead with the intent of having ones tastebuds satisfied. It's wrong precisely because it's entirely cruel and selfish.

>How, exactly, did that pig suffer cruelty?
Because killing is a cruel thing to do, especially to something which is innocent and trusts you.

[Anonymous No.10814728]

>>10814707
Since you're so opposed to things that are cruel, I want you to go through your house and toss out everything that says it was made in china. Every single thing.

[Anonymous No.10814754]

>>10814728
I make an active effort to avoid cruelty. You ought to have made that assumption by now.

And again it's all about degrees. Your diet is a very easy thing to change, avoiding a motherboard in one of your gadgets being manufactured in China is a bit more tricky, but it can be done and perhaps we could all be a little better at doing that, as well as not being cruel to innocent animals.

[Anonymous No.10814770]

>>10814754
You could simply do as you do with meat and not use said products produced in china. Unless you're implying the suffering of real living humans is lesser than that of a few animals barely capable of cognitive thought.

[Anonymous No.10814778]

>>10814770
stttttrreeeettttcch your half baked moral dilemma a bit further

[Anonymous No.10814782]

>>10814707
>You can attain a good and sustainable level of health without the introduction of meat into your diet.
Studies show that meat eaters have better fitness levels than vegetarians who have better fitness levels than vegans. It's only for athletes of course, a lot of people probably don't NEED it, although I don't feel that good without some animal protein in my diet. It's natural and does provide benefits that we don't get from plant foods, but that doesn't mean it should be totally accepted and that we can't look for alternatives. That's why I always tell people I'm not against eating meat but if at some point lab-grown meat is identical to the "real" stuff and you keep choosing to eat the "real" stuff that required an animal to be killed, that's when it's going to become immoral.

[Anonymous No.10814798]

>>10814778
What's the difference between the two? You're not directly causing the suffering in either case, and you can very easily not support them by not using products that are a result of them.

[Anonymous No.10814801]

>>10814770
>You could simply do as you do with meat and not use said products produced in china.
Could you? By all means, do so. I think they're both important issues though, maybe you could do both. You could definitely stop eating meat much easier though.

[Anonymous No.10814817]

>>10814509
First recipe I read said 4 bay leaves for 6 servings (3 lbs meat). That isn't right, is it? Do you use rosemary, or did you only put a sprig on for garnish? I love red bell pepper, stew, and venison, so I will give it a try sometime. Any input is appreciated.

[Anonymous No.10814820]

>>10814782
Your position is more sustainable than a lot of meat eaters I've spoken with, but even if I assume that what you say is true without sources, I think the hit to athletic performance is worth the billions of lives saved per year.

>>10814798
>You're not directly causing the suffering
You're directly supporting the action. Similar to how hiring a hitman is causing someone to die. Just because you didn't hold the knife doesn't mean you had no part in the killing.

[Anonymous No.10814832]

>>10814820
That's exactly what I'm saying, if you take so much issue with the treatment of farm animals as to not eat meat, you should also take as much issue with the working conditions in the places that produce most of the technology you're using at this very moment.

[Anonymous No.10814834]

>>10814798
you're using an assumption about someone's behavior as a disqualification for the motive behind stated behavior so that you can yell "AHA see you don't care about suffering", and it is pathetic to me that you consider it a good argument

[Anonymous No.10814835]

>>10814820
Vegans would have a greater positive impact on the earth if they all just killed themselves.

[Anonymous No.10814847]

>>10814820
>Your position is more sustainable than a lot of meat eaters I've spoken with
Yeah most people seem to be caught up in thinking there are only two options, that you either have to be vegan and give up all animal products or you have to eat animal products and just be totally fine with it.

Like I said though most people probably don't NEED meat since they aren't high level athletes, but I think it's still unrealistic to expect people to give something up that does provide health benefits. Better to just try to get them to do it more respectfully and minimize overconsumption/waste and get them interested in lab-grown meat.

[Anonymous No.10814851]

>>10814817
I'd imagine you're using Hank Shaw's recipe, same as me, it's the one that pops up first when I Google it. The measurements are correct, and I used the rosemary in the recipe and as a garnish. The only change I'd recommend is not adding the meat back in until after you boil down the wine, and just letting it simmer for a couple hours.

https://honest-food.net/spanish-chilindron-stew/

Side note, the author really knows his stuff. I've got two of his cookbooks and they're fantastic resources for butchering and preparing meals with all sorts of parts from all sorts of game.

[Anonymous No.10814855]

>>10814834
How is it an assumption when most of his posts have been talking about how much he hates cruel actions? If he truly felt that strongly then he'd not use products from a very similar condition as the ones he refuses to use.

[Anonymous No.10814869]

>>10814855
sttreeeeeeettcch it as far as you can, o bold rhetorician
people don't buy blood diamonds but still use sugar that slave labor produced... why? well odds are it's a lot easier to get by without a diamond than sugar

[Anonymous No.10814878]

>>10814851
Yeah, it seemed like a decent recipe, but that sounds like a lot of bay, especially with the rosemary. I guess it's infusing the whole thing with that intense flavor intentionally, though. Thanks. And I'll look into some more of his stuff. I don't usually cook off recipes unless it's something new to me, like this, but I like reading them none the less.

[Anonymous No.10814884]

>>10813738
>everyone takes it for granted how easy it is to put ramen on the table. if people were forced to extrude their own noodles from scratch-made dough we'd have a lot less ramen eaters lmao

[Anonymous No.10814885]

>>10814869
So it's only a matter of making yourself feel good, then? I'd be fine if he'd just admit that's the case and stop trying to take the moral high ground while being so hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.10814896]

>>10814885
oh that trap snapped shut, how did I walk right into--
no, it's not a matter of feeling good it's a matter of opportunity cost and ease.

[Anonymous No.10814907]

>>10814832
I try my best to, what point are you making here?

>>10814835
Not as positive an impact if everybody stopped eating meat, though.

>>10814847
I don't believe in any kind of vegan utopia that will be achieved any time soon, I'm not even vegan myself, I'm vegetarian and have just recently cut milk out of my diet and am working on lowering eggs. I just wish people would do the best they can, which is rarely even close to what they really do.

>>10814896
this

[Anonymous No.10814924]

>>10814896
So doing what you feel is a good thing only goes as far as not inconveniencing you? The moment you have to put some effort in you just say fuck it?

[Anonymous No.10814931]

>>10814907
>not as positive
But then we wouldn't have any of those beautiful farm animals, and insufferable vegan dumbasses would still be around pretending as though they have any moral compass whatsoever, let alone one that is more attuned than that of anyone who eats meat.

[Anonymous No.10814933]

>>10814924
you can't make utilitarian argument and not have that be the case

[Anonymous No.10814949]

>>10814924
If it's easy for you to do something good, and you don't do it, it's a lot less excusable than not doing something good that's significantly harder.

>>10814931
They wouldn't be systematically born and killed, which is a good thing. And vegans do have the moral highground on matters related to animal rights.

[Anonymous No.10814976]

>>10814707
>Because killing is a cruel thing to do, especially to something which is innocent and trusts you

That is a knee jerk emotional response. There is not one single moment of that pig's life which wasn't 100% bliss. It did not suffer one bit. It had great food, was free do run around, eat whatever it cared to, root around in the ground, had shelter, veterinary care...you name it. And suddenly the switch turns off. You can't tell me with a straight face that the the pig was cruely treated, especially compared to the harsh realities of the wild.

[Anonymous No.10814979]

>>10814949
Animal rights is not a moral issue, because animals do not have rights, nor should they. This, of course does not mean we ought to strive for cruelty, but ask yourself one question and try to think on it honestly. Is nature less cruel to wild animals? Even comparing the lives of wild animals to many of those which wil end up on feed lots or in sheltered in large barns for prolonged periods, my conclusion is no. And that is where your moral compass is completely broken. So get off your high horse less it bucks you off and kicks you in the head for being an abusive ass in the name of mother nature.

[Anonymous No.10814996]

>>10814979
>they aren't any real ethics regarding animals because *shrug*
well that settles that, nice wandering this well trod path with you

[Anonymous No.10815001]

>>10814976
Killing is cruel. An instant death is less cruel than what takes place in a slaughterhouse, but it's still an inherently cruel action.

>>10814979
>Animal rights is not a moral issue, because animals do not have rights, nor should they.
Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?

I think the best mankind has achieved has been done by conquering and harnessing nature. I don't see any reason why I should adhere to the same standards as animals in a natural environment, because I'm a sapient human in a manmade environment.

[Anonymous No.10815022]

>>10814996
>because *shrug*
It would be nice to see the roads before us without having a traveling companion attempt to dictate which road is best by arbitrary notions of what makes a good road, particularly when they continually insist that the road without any paving stones, consisting in deep mud pits, and lined with sewer troughs is the best road. There's no shrug about it. Your judgement is horrendous, and that is why people hate you. It is not because you know what is best, it is because you believe you do and are completely oblivious to reality, yet speak as though you ought to be endowed with some sort of authority.

[Anonymous No.10815027]

>>10815022
no you

[Anonymous No.10815033]

>>10815001
Mankind has come nowhere near conquering nor harnessing nature. At best, we have managed to develop some remedial stewardship practices.

[Anonymous No.10815037]

I do with fish amd chicken. ive been considering cutting out other meats as it feels wrong to buy factory farmed meat

[Anonymous No.10815040]

>>10815027
That is essentially how I read >>10814996

[Anonymous No.10815042]

>>10815022
The sheer lack of self-awareness in this post is astounding. You write with the same level of condescension as you'd whine vegans do, without any actual substance. You managed to write so many words and yet said nothing.

>arbitrary notions
The notions thus far have been based on the principle that causing unnecessary suffering is a bad thing, it's not at all arbitrary, it's quite well reasoned really.

[Anonymous No.10815047]

>could you do it?
Of course. I’ve killed for less pressing reasons than my own survival.
Pests, pity, quiet enjoyment, just to see if I could do it.
If I’m actually using the animal and being that respectful to it, it makes it that less complicated.

[Anonymous No.10815051]

>>10815040
that's because you're a brainlet trying to rope a dope people

[Anonymous No.10815056]

>>10815042
And your inability to consider the import of the proposed question only supports the assertion that you are a dumb ass.

[Anonymous No.10815064]

>>10815056
Nice argument, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10815075]

>>10815064
>I speak meme
You sure got me. You are the supreme intelligence, for sure. It only pales in comparison to your acute philosophical reasoning in ethics and morality.

[Anonymous No.10815083]

>>10815075
You've written more and still have yet to say anything.

[Anonymous No.10815084]

>>10815075

[Anonymous No.10815086]

>>10813783
They’ both the same thing.
You find me a reputable psychologist/psychiatrist who makes a meaningful distinction (instead of a fucking YouTube vlogger) and you can make statements like this one all you want.

[Anonymous No.10815090]

>>10815083
You have yet to respond to anything I have said, while claiming I have said nothing. And so the shitposts continue.

[Anonymous No.10815094]

>>10815086
This is bait

[Anonymous No.10815113]

>>10815090
I responded to the only part of the post that remotely resembled a cohesive point. Other than the idea that the positions laid out thus far were based on arbitrary notions, the post is entirely "Your road isn't as good as the road I want to go down because I say so! And you're oblivious to reality because I say so!"

Almost nothing you wrote had even a point, let alone one substantiated with a compelling argument.

[Anonymous No.10815132]

>>10815113
animals shouldn't get moral considerations but it goes without saying we shouldn't.... be cruel... towards them
answer the question: isn't a chicken better off getting mulched at birth or living in a foot by foot cell for life than living in the jungle?? quickly now before I swallow my tongue

[Anonymous No.10815157]

Listen, my wife adopted an abused Jack Russell terrier. Super friendly, very smart, only dog I’ve ever truly loved.
I would kill a guy if they tried to kill my dog, I like him more than most people and I’m amazed an animal could have so much personality.
His meat would last me about two months, I figure. My survival comes first.
Yes, that extends to humans.
I want things to go well, I’ll be as civilized as possible, and I hope I never have to hurt that dog. I won’t otherwise hurt him, but I have no delusions of what a great person I am. I’m a potential hyena and I’m at peace with that.

[Anonymous No.10815166]

>>10815132
>animals shouldn't get moral considerations
Why?

>the question
What happens in the jungle isn't a consideration for humans, because we aren't in the jungle. We are men in a manmade environment. And the chicken in question wouldn't have existed if not for the industry that necessitates its unnecessary slaughter.

[Anonymous No.10815192]

>>10815132
What is worse? Getting mulched or having your newly hatched brain pecked out 20x slower?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3o5s-kxvxw
My point stands. Nature is not the moral compass you ought to aspire towards, and is not so different from the most horrendous examples you can fathom in livestock treatment, but on a much grander scale. So I ask again... Which is worse?

[Anonymous No.10815223]

>>10815192
I don't think you're making as compelling a point as you think you're making. You're trying to force the most ridiculous hypothetical scenario. By the absurd logic you're presenting, throwing a hatched chick into a grinder is saving it from being killed horrifically naturally, when the reality is that it simply wouldn't have existed if not for the demand of humans.

[Anonymous No.10815239]

>>10815192
>My point stands. Nature is not the moral compass you ought to aspire towards
yes your fallacious straw man is still standing proud

[Anonymous No.10815262]

>>10815223
And for it to not exist, you would sacrifice the existence of all farm animals? For what? For the greater abundance of wild occurrences such as the wood pecker, or perhaps a road runner, a cuckoo, or any one member of thousands of other bird species doing something similar or worse? Vegans thrive on the most ridiculous hypothetical scenarios, attempting to paint all farm industry with the color of the worst scenarios. The reality is that nature is much, much worse, and on a much larger scale. For that, human farming endeavors are a Godsend for the earth.

[Anonymous No.10815306]

>>10815262
>Vegans thrive on the most ridiculous hypothetical scenarios
The only one ITT presenting ridiculous hypothetical scenarios is you.

And nature is not worse, in nature the death of an animal is based on a multitude of different factors, and is often quite terrible, but the animals which kill in nature do so in order to survive. We do not.

[Anonymous No.10815313]

>>10815262
and on the matter of scale, it doesn't get any larger in scale than the 56 billion livestock killed every year for human consumption.

[Anonymous No.10815360]

>>10815306
see below
>>10815306
>best estimates are 20 quintillion animals on the planet
>our 56 billion consumed in some way comes somewhere close to any scale of nature as a whole
>even if it did, this is all under the precept that humans are not a part of nature, which, though necessary for the ridiculous vegan hypothetical presumptions in order to hold a dumb ass vegan mindset in the first place, is an egregious affront to the notion of reality of life on Earth
That is one ridiculous hypothetical scenario of a gigantic proportion, and only one which must be adhered to in order to converse with you in the first place. Shall we go deeper?

[Anonymous No.10815373]

>>10815360
>hey y'all let me count ants so we can make this an issue of percentages
goddamn, son, keep it rolling

[Anonymous No.10815381]

>>10815373
I thought the topic was animal welfare. Are you now asserting that specific animals have more stringent welfare standards than others?

[Anonymous No.10815383]

>>10813640
Yes, I always liked fishing, and I've killed a chicken on my brother farm. It wasn't exactly painless as the chicken had a feathery neck. But if I had to die that way I wouldn't complain, better than dying of cancer.

[Anonymous No.10815388]

>>10815360
That's 56 billion less deaths we could be accountable for.

[Anonymous No.10815397]

>>10815388
Back to the previous post, then. Is the decision to leave it to nature to create more horrendous circumstances better?

[Anonymous No.10815399]

>>10815381
Specific animals DO have more stringent welfare standards than others.

[Anonymous No.10815406]

>>10815381
I thought you brought up scale yourself, then realized you hadn't so I deleted it. But yes, keep saying that since your uncle feeds his pigs sour patch kids that the alternative to dismantling agriculture is those same pigs instead getting pecked to death.

[Anonymous No.10815410]

>>10815399
OK, so then where do humans fall into place? Ought we not see to it that we attempt to provide a better life through our stewardship, as that is all we can currently muster, or is it better to attempt to encourage worse conditions under the care of nature?

[Anonymous No.10815416]

>>10815410
see http://reducing-suffering.org/vegetarianism-and-wild-animals/

[Anonymous No.10815418]

>>10815388
>we could be accountable for.
Accountable how?
Accountability obviously means you’re responsible for something, but the concept comes from literal counting. As in, someone’s tallying what you did and will send you a bill for it later.
Nobody will judge us for those deaths.

[Anonymous No.10815446]

>>10815397
Yes, I've already answered this. Humans aren't accountable for things that happen outside of direct human involvement. You're acting like the answer to nature's cruelty is to subject animals to our own cruelty.

>>10815410
Why are you acting like mass farming and slaughter or pecking to death are the only options?

>>10815418
You'll be judged by later generations, because when people can please their meat cravings with lab-grown meats instead they'll admit what a horrific practice people like you, and I in the past, endorsed, enabled and engaged in.

[Anonymous No.10815448]

>>10815416
haha pretty based link actually

[Anonymous No.10815472]

>>10815416
Again with the unsupported presuppositions. This page all requires that one agrees that, for instance, wild caught fish suffer less than farm raised chickens. I completely disagree, namely that anyone can even begin to evaluate such a case, and that, even if it were possible, my experience leads me to the opposite conclusion.
>sheltered
>fed
>medicated
>no threat of predation for the duration of their life
Chickens doing chicken things in a safe environment. Sure, some companies have a horrific looking "mulcher". Meanwhile schools of fish, particularly young fish, are gobbled up by the order of billions of individuals per 1 chick death, whether it be macerator or (more humane?) CO2 or dislocation.
>>10815446
And I assert that you are accountable for it via your action, or inaction - however you wish to describe the causation of your dietary choice in this context.

[Anonymous No.10815491]

>>10815472
If you are going to estimate the effect of eating meat from a utilitarian viewpoint, you are going to have to make a lot of guesses, or "presuppositions" if you prefer. Not saying the link is 100% correct but it's an honest attempt to weight things up.

[Anonymous No.10815512]

>>10815472
>Sure, some companies
It isn't just "some companies", 97% of eggs come from factory farms and 99% of chickens come from factory farms. The reality is that the vast majority of farmed animals suffer the worst conditions the industry is capable of.

>And I assert that you are accountable for it
Accountable for what? The deaths which I do not support? The hypothetical chicks being pecked to death?

[Anonymous No.10815517]

>>10815491
I agree that an attempt was made, I just think it's yet another example of the ridiculous hypothetical scenarios vegans use to justify their choice and which some use to attempt to foist the morality of their decision on others. Granted, I have known some pretty cool vegans who don't act this way, but those I have seen posting here are most certainly not of that sort.

[Anonymous No.10815530]

A few weeks ago the local farmer brought me a live chicken. I was able to do the deed. I hate gutting animals though. Makes me gag. Even de-veining shrimp is hard.

The chicken tasted better than normal because I had killed it personally.

[Anonymous No.10815534]

>>10815512
And not all farms use a macerator. Pardon, a mulcher, as you would prefer. And the numbers stil stand. Consider how many fish are born in the entirety of the ocean, and how many of those fish are eaten. The number of chicks would be practically invisible if represented as a scaled visual, particularly if only going by those which have been set to the mulcher teeth (which is still somehow more horrific than being eaten by other sea creatures?).

[Anonymous No.10815536]

I've been watching youtube videos on how to prep squirrels and geese I'm thinking about trying it

[Anonymous No.10815538]

>>10815517
I don't think that is the angle, check out the whole website. It's pretty much taking utilitarianism to its logical conclusion, no matter where it leads. E.g. the author things insect suffering is of great moral importance, something I don't think most vegans think.

As for foisting your morality on others, isn't that what you are doing and what everyone should do (while putting in the effort to reach the right moral decisions and not just pushing arbitrary moral guesses on others)?

[Anonymous No.10815551]

>>10815534
>Pardon, a mulcher, as you would prefer.
I was never the one who begun using "mulcher". Who on Earth do you think you are writing like this?

And again, mankind isn't responsible for the things mankind has no hand in. We're responsible for the things we do, i.e. tthe 56 billion we slaughter yearly.

[Anonymous No.10815561]

>>10815538
I am questioning the evident conclusions that other posters have necessarily made in order to criticize the dietary decisions of other people and farming practices at large, while attempting to put the notion of morality in regard to our farming practices in the context of reality which exists outside the hypothetical. If they wish to disagree, I understand that completely. I could see the merit in that accusation if I wasn't simply responding to other posts which make such assertions of absolute morality.

[Anonymous No.10815570]

>>10815551
And I say that number is worth the lives we care for, including our own. I see it as an even deeper sense of ownership to a greater beneficial effect.

[Anonymous No.10815582]

>>10815570
You need glasses if that's how you see it. Our lives can go on without that number. Is it not better to live without having a hand in the direct causing suffering and death?

We aren't going to come to an agreement, and it's late, so I'm going to have to leave it here. Regardless thank you for the time.

[Anonymous No.10815589]

>>10815582
You are asserting, once again, that your decisions reduce suffering and death. My post was intended to illustrate a part of why I disagree.

[Anonymous No.10815592]

>>10814136
>cuteness mean no no kill
>what is veal
Anon...

[Anonymous No.10815599]

>>10814556
Flat is best.

[Anonymous No.10815685]

>>10813640
Nha, seems a pretty interesting experience, especially if you learn how to skin/cut the meat too

[Anonymous No.10815687]

>>10813640
Yeah I'd be fine with it. It'd be a lot more work, obviously- cleaning, hanging, and breaking down a whole animal is definitely a process- but I've done it before and had no problem with it. My grandma keeps chickens and she'll break their necks by hand with no qualms.

[Anonymous No.10815692]

>>10813677
That's not logic. We just pay butchers to do it.

[Anonymous No.10815713]

I mean, even if we all become vegan, we would still have to slaughter animals to feed cats since they are carnivorous.

[Anonymous No.10815925]

>>10813640
I grew up watching my grandma strangle 10 pound geese in a kitchen drawer. I'd have no qualms about doing the same

[Anonymous No.10815987]

>>10813640
I’d kill a calf that’s been trained to do hitler salutes you fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.10816017]

>>10813640
yes, have done it. meat is great. animals are food.

[Acbn !7CUUUUUUUU No.10816053]

>>10813738

If everyone had their own copper we'd have a lot less wiring

[Anonymous No.10816054]

>>10813640
Probably not. It wouldn't be as fun if I was being forced to do it.

[Anonymous No.10816082]

>>10813640
thought your image was le 56% face out of the corner of my eye

[Anonymous No.10816459]

>>10813640
that cow is a nazi, you bet I'd kill it

[Anonymous No.10816464]

>>10816459
>In Scotland you can go to jail for owning a nazi animal

[Anonymous No.10816466]

>>10815925
I grew up watching daddy rape my sisters whenever he was in the mood for an easy lay. I'd have no qualms about doing the same

[Anonymous No.10816470]

>>10813640
Grew up and worked on a ranch. This is like asking anyone "do you want to relive your childhood?"

[Anonymous No.10816520]

>>10813640
You shouldn't eat meat if you're not able to slaughter it yourself.

[Anonymous No.10816537]

>>10814573
>killing is cruel no matter what
Imagine being this stupid.

[Anonymous No.10816592]

>>10813640
I have been a hunter in the past and I also went through culinary school. So yes I could do what it takes and I see no issues with doing it.

[Anonymous No.10816595]

>>10813640
Started with fishing, got used to land animals afterwards. Imo if you can't kill at least a chicken or similar without feeling guilty it's morally questionable to eat meat.
But I can and I do, so no not becoming vegetarian any time soon.

[Anonymous No.10816596]

>>10813640

Yes and that's how I'd do it too, rear choke hold. He looks super tender, veally good.

[Anonymous No.10816602]

>>10813640
I already have. It's not hard once the animal is dead.

[Anonymous No.10816603]

>>10816466
Nice false equivalence you FUCKING NIGGER

[Anonymous No.10816659]

>>10814243
ill do this in the winter and spring before I can plant outside. Start them in water until they root and then transfer them to soil. They will take off quickly. Keep them on a sunny windowsill or under a fluorescent bulb in the winter.

[Anonymous No.10816677]

>>10813640
Did it all the time. Killed rabbits and made them into paste on my uncles farm.

[Anonymous No.10816726]

i would rape and torture it too just to piss you off

[Anonymous No.10816769]

>>10813640
No, I'm not a sociopath butcher who can take a life. Vegan.

[Anonymous No.10816780]

>>10813777
Low empathy subhuman grunt detected.

[Anonymous No.10816795]

>>10816780
cry me a river

[Anonymous No.10816800]

>>10816769
Well, don't worry, You can just hire people to do your dirty work. Like me. I gas gophers for a living. BTW, the "organic" racket is great. They hire me insted of using poison.

[Anonymous No.10816807]

>>10816780
Faget human who cares about everyone else when nobody actually gives a shit about him

[Anonymous No.10816814]

>>10813640
Id kill it just fir that sieg heil. The veal marsala that comes after is just a bonus

[Anonymous No.10816827]

>>10814067
>http://www.dvo.com/newsletter/weekly/2012/03-16-267/is-dairy-healthy.html

dairy industry = propaganda
"We have a lot of useless cow milk. I wonder if we could convince the masses to pay money for it."

> https://mises.org/library/welfare-welfare-state
medical industry = profiteering
"Wow, people can afford medical care super easily. I wonder if we could force anyone working in the industry by law to be licensed through the American Health Association so we could profit off of everyone then convince everyone that health care was never affordable."

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMEjpFcimew
"Man, these nobodies are inventing amazing things that would make the things I'm invested into obsolete. It'd be a shame if these inventors happened to die in a car accident or go missing."

Same old. Same old. Nothing to see here. The world is as it is supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.10816836]

>>10816800
I'm an actual vegan. It means I don't pay people to kill or harm animals. If I had a gopher problem, I would not kill them. I'd probably think of a peaceful way of handing the problem, such as buying those devices that send strong vibrations into the ground, or just deal with it. Anything but hurt or kill animals.

[Anonymous No.10816848]

>>10816807
Bugman confirmed. Your parents did not love you enough.

[Anonymous No.10816853]

>>10814067
Well that and this is more from general lactose intolerant folk (like the vastly expanding Chinese middle class) then vegans anyway milk might not be as popular as it was once but it isn't going anywhere especially with the gourmet cheese market getting a boom right now

[Anonymous No.10816856]

>>10814136
Pic related would make for a succulent veal piccata

[Anonymous No.10816859]

>>10814217
Good now it will never fuck with your garden again

[Anonymous No.10816869]

>>10816848
Only fag bug watch men Rick and Morty fans care about empathy and sentience then become retard vegans on their synthetic NWO diet

Your parents spank you too little or too much my parents spank me just right :)

[Anonymous No.10816876]

>>10813892
Reported enjoy your felony

[Anonymous No.10816890]

I was going to eat these rabbits. But now they just stay in my back yard.

[Anonymous No.10816895]

>>10814339
Okay but what about lobster? They aren't sentient and lack any way to feel pain (they are bugs after all) I'm sure you use something to keep cockroaches out of wherever you live and lobster are similar enough that the argument can be made you can kill/eat them as easily as you kill/poison the roaches
Not trolling I am genuinely curious as to the response

[Anonymous No.10816898]

>>10814466
>>10814470
Abused meat tastes like shit though due to lactic acid buildvup in the muscles this is especially trur for if the animal dies in pain, fear, or suffering. Any meat that is tender and soft died happy or at the very least unaware science backs that up.

[Anonymous No.10816900]

>>10816890
But I have eaten my old laying hens. Its not as emotionally taxing as people think.

[Anonymous No.10816916]

>>10816895
Lobsters detach limps intentionally and readily. And a lot a canablism.

[Anonymous No.10816922]

>>10814487
Lab grown stuff isn't this revolution everyone I'd hyping it to be it has no nutrition and is bland (meat gets those from what the animal eats and traveled via it's blood neither things lab grown has. Lab grown stuff will be the new TVP or soy protien isolate depending on the cost (so filler).
>Inb4 the technology will advance enough to add that stuff
If we could do that the technology would have greater use in the medical field then toppling existing infrastructure supporting the meat industry. It may be fortified like milk and flavored artificially but that would be fake meat, artificially flavored and artificially fortified I doubt it will sell terribly well

[Anonymous No.10816930]

>kill
yes
>harvest
nope, too squeamish. I have a hard time de-boning chickens, man.

[Anonymous No.10816977]

>>10814530
what about you being a woman would stop you on cleaning an animal? would your uterus get in your way while cleaning?
>>10814556
post nipples then

[Anonymous No.10816991]

>>10813640
I helped kill and butcher a pig when I was 6 and killing chickens isn't anything earth-shattering. I don't think it would be an issue but I'd probably eat less meat because of the time it takes.

If you're vegan kys btw

[Anonymous No.10817023]

I only eat wild meat and fish when Im cooking at home. There’s just so much of it out there just walking around.

[Anonymous No.10817066]

>>10814237
>lets kill this anon
>before we kill him:
>"thanks for being so chubby anon, we will really enjoy feeding our spoiled brats with a burger made from your thighs."

Would this work for you? That's only for you feeling better in a retard avatar way.

[Anonymous No.10817075]

>>10814287
you're playing too much rpgs anon

[Anonymous No.10817092]

>>10813640
I'd be willing to try if I have the opportunity to.

[Anonymous No.10817165]

>>10813640
i'd probably stick to fish and other sea stuff. Chicken, too. It's just that mammals, I don't know, I get the feeling that they have a feeling of self and it would depress me to kill a young calf. On the other hand you have to if you have a herd so that there's no abundance of males. They start killing each other if there are too many bulls. Cattle has the amazing ability to turn fucking grass into delicious beef, so if I had pastures I would keep either cattle or goat

[Anonymous No.10817174]

>>10814509
holy shit that looks amazing

[Anonymous No.10817180]

>>10816890
would you prefer an existence in prison to a swift death?

[Anonymous No.10817185]

>>10816900
because they are dinosaurs
killing a big mammal is something else
ever heard a pig scream from being stabbed in the heart? its surprisingly human

[Anonymous No.10817207]

>>10817066
animals are not humans and you're an idiot for thinking that farm animals would exist if they weren't useful to us

[Anonymous No.10817215]

>>10813640
Yes, just don’t give them a name

[Anonymous No.10817457]

>>10813640
My dad started teaching me to butcher animals when I was 5, so yes.

[Anonymous No.10817480]

>>10814530
post milk bags
what? its food related

[Anonymous No.10817504]

an advert came up for that film with some couple stranded on a boat in the middle of the ocean
i looked at my brother (only way to get a mortgage at the time was with him) and said
>no offense bro but I'd smother you in your sleep and eat your corpse if that happened to us
he didnt take it that well

[Anonymous No.10817510]

>>10813667
I think humane and killing are mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.10817526]

>>10813652
>Oh wait a barrel of faggots will take your bait
Is it just me or is /ck/ filled with bait threads today?

[Anonymous No.10817570]

>>10817185
Tell me more.

[Anonymous No.10817581]

>>10814707
What is your opinion on protective hunting? We don't have an optimal ecological balance in nature and we definitely need to cull many species to ensure they remain at sustainable levels. If you stop hunting for example deer you'll have a booming population that ends up eating everything edible until there is no more food at ground level leading to mass starvation of more than just deer. And far more suffering and death than simply keeping the population in check.

We could look into making sure we have enough predators to keep the deer at a sustainable population, but we'd need to ensure that the predator populations don't take over and eat the deer to extinction so we need to be ready to cull the predators. And even if we find a natural balance you'll have the same amount of deer simply being ripped up by teeth and claws rather than a bullet.

Which is the least cruel choice?

[Anonymous No.10817592]

>>10817570
Fuuuck, that was such a good movie. They both gave amazing performances in it.
I'm not the guy you replied to but in my experience a lot of animals sound "surprisingly human" when you kill them. Hell, even rabbits.
I think I read somewhere that cats have evolved to sound more babylike to make us give them treats. I can believe it.

[Anonymous No.10817618]

>>10813640
>harvest
It's called butchering

[Anonymous No.10817667]

>>10813656
I'm not vegan at all, but I prefer "Alternative Dairy". Almond milk is great.

[Anonymous No.10818730]

>>10813640
I'd probably start some kind of meat harvesting business

[Anonymous No.10818738]

>>10813646
I'll show you how to hit an animal in the head with a shovel really hard for $37. Just enough to buy myself a nice bottle of that 'vark

[Anonymous No.10818774]

Veganism is meaningless it it isn't accompanied by an anti capitalist mindset. Otherwise you're just talking about a plant based diet.

[Anonymous No.10818795]

>>10813640
Yeah I'd keep eating meat. I wouldn't take any pleasure in killing the animals though.
That sure is one cute cow.

[Anonymous No.10818822]

>>10813640
I wouldn't relish the idea, but I imagine I would become desensitised to it fairly quickly.

[Anonymous No.10818828]

>>10818774
Why would you want an anti-capitalist mindset?

You do realize that the machine guns and barbed wire of East Germany was to keep people from fleeing, not the other way around, right?

[Anonymous No.10818835]

>>10817592
I think babies evolved to sound more catlike so that we would love them

[Anonymous No.10818855]

>>10814530
>being a woman
imagine being this mentaly ill

[Anonymous No.10818938]

>>10816890
Is that even an eatin' breed?

[Anonymous No.10819502]

>>10813640
I probably would, honestly the hardest part for me would be suddenly having an entire cow to use when I just want to eat a steak one night.

[Anonymous No.10819533]

Yeah i could.
Then again my dad is a country guy and i was bought up around hunting and gathering.

[Anonymous No.10819598]

>>10813640
this is gayest thread I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.10819721]

>>10814556
shut up and post 'em

[Anonymous No.10819729]

>>10818855
in 2018 no less

[Anonymous No.10819736]

>>10818938
does it matter aside form the amount of meat? shits barely nutritious anyhow.

[Anonymous No.10820041]

I've slaughtered chickens and raise them. I don't enjoy the act of slaughtering, but I enjoy eating meat. I started working at a farm 3 months ago to learn these types of things. I try and give the chickens the best life I can give a dumb bird before they are processed. Also raising pigs, but haven't slaughtered one. The pig farmer doesn't slaughter them herself, so I haven't had to chance to try. It's much different than chickens, though.
Pic related

[Anonymous No.10820042]

>>10813640
yeah why are soiboys so affraid to do things that previous generations did

[Anonymous No.10820048]

>>10813640
>would you prefer your meat fresh
yes

[Anonymous No.10820058]

>>10817185
That's why some countries ban slaughter without stunning. It's too easy to fuck up otherwise and cause unnecessary suffering.

[Anonymous No.10820063]

>>10813640
i could probably do in a chicken and a fish if i needed it to survive
idk about raising a cow that basically is a giant dog to be meat eventually
same with a pig

[Anonymous No.10820073]

>>10813640
Have done it biatch

[Anonymous No.10820079]

>>10813640
Can I do the bap rap when I beat them to death with a shovel?

[Anonymous No.10820094]

>>10820063
My dad made a real mess of killing a cow when I was a kid. It was dying giving birth to a calf that was already dead. Tried to pull that thing out forever. Hooked tractor to it, but it just ripped the legs off. I can't believe how many bullets it took to the head before dying.

[Anonymous No.10820106]

>>10813640
Yes, you are why children need better exposure to modern agriculture.

[Anonymous No.10820136]

>>10815446
>You'll be judged by later generations, because when people can please their meat cravings with lab-grown meats instead they'll admit what a horrific practice people like you, and I in the past, endorsed, enabled and engaged in.
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA people are never going to give a fuck, food is more important than the abstraction and personification of animals.

[Anonymous No.10820166]

>>10816836
>As you live under a government that will kill and harm humans without any compunction
If youre American its even worse because you tacitly support gitmo.

[Anonymous No.10820172]

>>10816922
>If we could do that the technology would have greater use in the medical field
It's being used for that too, to grow replacement parts for people with injuries and stuff.

There's a ton of money to be made if you can make something that's nutritionally the same even if it doesn't taste quite as good for some reason without having to deal with all the problems of modern factory farming.

[Anonymous No.10820184]

>>10820094
how do you fuck up killing a cow when you can point blank it in the face

[Anonymous No.10820186]

>>10820136
>HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA people are never going to give a fuck
They already give a fuck, a lot of people who eat meat even say they'll switch to lab-grown meat when it's available because it still doesn't make them happy knowing animals have to die for them to eat.

>HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Doing this just makes you look silly.

[Anonymous No.10820204]

>>10814217
>not just crushing it with your boot

[Anonymous No.10820209]

>>10820184
probably because it was a .22. I don't know, small brains or something

[Anonymous No.10820258]

>>10820186
> lot of people who eat meat even say they'll switch to lab-grown meat when it's available
This combined with the currently observed state of consumption proves that people care more about eating meat than they do animal rights. Also the principal driver of eating lab grown meat isnt ethics, its cost and environmental impact.
>AHHAHAAHAHAH
I reserve using this when someone tries to make a point that is self evidently wrong and requires no education to arrive at.

[Anonymous No.10821379]

>>10813640
What people don't seem to get is that we all have a killing instinct inside. If you put the most virtuous vegan and let him starve with a live chicken in a room with a grill and a knife he'll have killed that chiken before 24 hours pass.

It just takes one time to kill and lose the fear or disgust to it. Many think they'd never kill an animal but they're just so wrong.

[Anonymous No.10822611]

>>10821379
i believe you but i also think it would take longer. maybe 5-6 days.

[Anonymous No.10822866]

>>10813640
If I had to I would probably do it. I would just pray harder and thank god a lot more for the life that had to disappear for my meal.

[Anonymous No.10822871]

>>10813652
>Oh wait a barrel of faggots will take your bait. Nvm then.
There was actually a surprising number of sensible answers.

[Anonymous No.10822872]

>>10813640
You know, I used to think so

But sometimes I think of all the bullshit the stupid animal puts me through. Like showing aggression because its stupid animal brain doesnt comprehend that I'm trying to help it.

And I think.. when the day comes... it'll be quick.

[Anonymous No.10822902]

If i absolutely had to, yes, otherwise I'm a bit of a softie, couldn't see myself doing it now.

[Anonymous No.10822943]

>>10813640
Ofc, killed a few rabbits in childhood.
What's your problem, OP?

[Anonymous No.10823093]

>>10813640
I would, because chicken tastes good and roosters are bastards and I wouldn't mind cleansing the world of their presence.

[Anonymous No.10823268]

>>10823093
Except roosters have an off taste and are generally stringy and tough. You gotta get a middle-aged meat hen if you want nice tender white meat

[Anonymous No.10823283]

Probably not simply because I don't know how to properly butcher animals

[Anonymous No.10823298]

>>10823268
It depends entirely on how you cook it. That's why old-fashioned methods of selling chickens named them things like "fryers", "broilers", "stewing hens", etc, based on their age.

Roosters taste great but the meat is fairly tough. You wouldn't want to fry one, but they make fucking fantastic stews or other braised dishes, like the classic French coq au vin.

[Anonymous No.10823308]

>>10813640
Yes. It would actually make me feel better about my meat because at least I will know the animal was killed humanely, and not have the constant tiny doubt of whether my supermarket meat was kosher/halal killed or something and the pack was just not labelled.

[Anonymous No.10823325]

>>10818938
I got them from a place that uses them to make testing strips and vaccines. They were supposed to be blood factories.

[Anonymous No.10823730]

>>10813640
I do, I have meatbirds and it doesn't bother me at all. Plus I plink feral cats all the fucking time. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.10823779]

>>10821379
Ok? What if someone chooses not to eat meat but is open about being willing to if it came down to it?

[Anonymous No.10823834]

>>10813640
yes

and i would probably waste less food too

[Anonymous No.10823836]

>>10820258
>its cost and environmental impact.
i would say most people don't give a fuck about environmental impact

they really care about cost/ taste

[Anonymous No.10823840]

>>10821379
I'm not vegan, but thats a stupid argument

survival is trivial for most people for their entire lives now

[Anonymous No.10823854]

>>10823730
Why kill cats though?
Fucking psychopath.

[Anonymous No.10824291]

>>10815383
why do you lie?

[Anonymous No.10824351]

>>10814339
>I can't quite justify in my mind why I should cause suffering and death to sentient creatures when I can continue existing very comfortably without harming things

Reminder that field critters are slaughtered wholesale by harvesting equipment, particularly young and weak animals that are too slow or naive to escape the churning blades of a combine.

[Anonymous No.10824533]

>>10823854
Pest animals to some. Pets to others.

[Anonymous No.10824572]

>>10813640
Hell yeah, when I hold a knife in my hand I already feel like killing someone.

[Anonymous No.10824585]

>>10814243
that's next level cuck, grow a bonsai or something

[Anonymous No.10824594]

>>10814556
>mfw I see a girl with small tits who lurks 4chan and wants to be a butcher

[Anonymous No.10824620]

>>10813640
I'm a farmer, hunter, and fishermen. What do you think, /bot/?

[Anonymous No.10824621]

>>10820094
>shooting the cow and destroying the perfectly good skull and brain
>not slitting the main artery from the throat and draining the blood like it's supposed to be done

[Anonymous No.10824628]

>>10821379
some people are too stupid to survive these days

[Anonymous No.10824640]

>>10823325
>wanting to eat the rabbits on which they test vaccines
doesn't sound like the best idea

[Anonymous No.10824643]

>>10824621

>eating the brain

enjoy the prions

[Anonymous No.10824653]

>>10814556
post those fairy door handles

[Anonymous No.10824655]

>>10813754
I sicced my dogs on some squirrels that were living above our porch, they were young-ish and looking for food at ground level I guess. They all panicked and got stuck in a corner (screened in). Some interesting things I noticed: A) everything escalates into a blur, then it's quiet B) even a modern man and a house pet retain some common understanding of our symbiotic hunting relationship C) violence isn't necessarily tortuous, it can be swift and sudden.

My point is that we have lost touch with violence, and perhaps that's for the better, but then all that remains is our brand of violence. We don't kill, we maim. Our safety mechanisms are 'non-lethal' so an ER surgeon can rebuild you. You'll only ever see or experience a mangled bloody mess, even (or especially) in modern warfare. I'm not claiming dying of gangrene, infection, or the plague was awesome or uncommon, but the average person historically experienced, even by their own hand, a slitting of a throat or the severing of a spinal cord for their daily meal.

[Anonymous No.10824661]

>>10824643
>not knowing how to cook the brain
>not knowing what a delightful delicacy it is if done properly
sure is summer

[Anonymous No.10824832]

>>10824533
Feral cats keep the fucking pest population down

[Anonymous No.10824862]

>>10824661
Cooking doesn't do anything to prions.

[Anonymous No.10824953]

>>10824832
Feral cats are pests.

[Anonymous No.10824958]

>>10824953

You're a pest.

[Anonymous No.10824987]

>>10824958
Your mom's a pest

[Anonymous No.10825174]

>>10813640
For the millionth time, yes.

Do you retards think you're original for posting this thread again and again and again?

[Anonymous No.10825756]

>>10825174
I started it around November of last year. I'm not OP. it feels good to be mimicked and have inspired other vegans though.You should try it

[Anonymous No.10825774]

>>10813640
Probably not. Maybe more likely for bigger animals because small animals are so fucking tedious to clean and there's not much food value there.

[Anonymous No.10825863]

>>10813754
>>10813850
>>10813892
"durr I killed something for no reason at all and it fucking scared me"
yeah because it was a pointless waste of life, you stupid cunt. when I shoot birds, I eat them. when I shoot squirrels, I eat them.
"HURRRR I GOT A FIREARM I'LL SHOOT A LIVING THING JUST TO SEE WHAT IT CAN DO!"
what the fuck did you think it was going to do you fucking sack of shit?
get rid of your BB gun. throw it in the trash. you're far too fucking stupid to own it.

[Anonymous No.10825870]

>>10825756
it's a common question elsewhere, you're not special

[Anonymous No.10825892]

how do vegans deal with being considered sub-human by anyone with a brain? is it a leftist thing?

[Anonymous No.10825902]

>>10825756
It's been going on for years; and it's as dumb now as it has ever been.

[Anonymous No.10826200]

>>10813892
t. psychopath