Keto

[Anonymous No.10784644]

Going on a keto diet fro the summer. any advice?

[Anonymous No.10784675]

>>10784644
eat keto things

[Anonymous No.10784712]

stock up on sparkling mineral water and rooibos tea, really comes in handy when you need a bit of beverage variety. also get some really dark chocolate (90% minimum).

i personally don't think keto is sustainable for more than 10-15 days at a time, it's too restrictive on your social life, all you can really do is go out for coffee

[Anonymous No.10784732]

>>10784712
If strictly adhered to, you can go upwards to 40 carbs and be fine.
I stayed within keto and had pizza and beer. The trick is masturbating a lot.

[Anonymous No.10784747]

>>10784732

you had a beer and a slice of pizza but not 10 beers and half a pizza right?

[Anonymous No.10785020]

>>10784644
Trying Keto right now.
Currently getting my carbs from milk.(Found out that lactose free still has 12g of sugar every cup)
Not having rice, bread, or sugar at all.
Just gonna eat steak, chicken breast, bacon, cheese, some veggie and eggs.
If it gets super hard, I guess I will order burgers without buns or mayo.

[Anonymous No.10785035]

>>10785020
Of course,
I'm still eating less.
Haven't been counting the calories, but I don't have dinner and go to bed starving.
Started yesterday, might come back in a few to post results.
Starting with 74 kg.

[Anonymous No.10785040]

>>10785020
Going into keto doesn't mean cutting out carbs.
It means getting 90% of your carbs from leafy greens and veggies with tons of fiber.
If your salad isn't twice as big as your protein you aren't doing keto right.

[Anonymous No.10785042]

>>10784644
Don't do it for more than three months straight.

[Anonymous No.10785046]

>>10785040
Mmmmmmmm,
then I might switch it up by having salad with vinegar.
I'm real new to this. My previous method was to plain starvation. Got from 83kg to 70. Now I'm fat again. ):

[Anonymous No.10785089]

stock up on string cheese or jerky (watch the jerky though a lot of brands like to put sweet stuff in jerky). olives are good.

fat balls are also a good snack but don't subsist on them. its easy to make them just get some cocoa powder (cocoa powder by itself has little sugar) and nut butter (I wouldn't recommend peanut butter but you can eat it, just that theres better options for nut butter like almond butter and you should stay the hell away from nutella), some salt and a splash of milk maybe, make a bunch of balls, and then stick them in the fridge.

keto flu is an actual thing but it only lasts for a day or two at longest. Kust keep munching on your snacks to tide you over and dump some flavored water down your throat.

you can still eat cheeseburgers if you swap out the buns for big huge chunks of lettuce leaves (i personally think it lets you enjoy and appreciate the flavor of the ingredients more without the bun in the way so its a much more enjoyable experience for me) and stay the fuck away from ketchup or bbq sauce or mayo, but keto bbq sauce does exist. in n out burgers if you live in california makes burgers in this style and it's very good.

nut or soy or coconut milk is a very good replacement for cooking with milk. almond flour as well makes a good substitute for regular flower. stay away from the sweetened stuff.

people will say you can't shit on keto but usually if you can't shit on keto you're not eating enough greens.

we joke about how la croix tastes like shit but once you get used to it, it's not at all that bad really and it won't throw you off keto if you don't exclusively drink it considering that the fruit juice in it is sparse. it also tastes like actual fruit too.

cauliflower is a good rice replacement, believe it or not. chop that shit up and make a casserole out of it and it becomes amazing.

your liver is going through a lot in this time so make an effort to drink water. water in general can fill you up if you drink it.

[Anonymous No.10785094]

>>10785089
also this is an actual thing. look, when you have to avoid sugar like the plague you get creative.

[Anonymous No.10785106]

>>10785040
Just dropped in, but that diet sounds pretty good, actually. You know any good keto recipes that generally follow his guideline?

[Anonymous No.10785203]

Halt consumption of sugary drinks.

Eat eggs and meat.

Augment low carb veggies with butter and/or cream sauce.

I'm now down 50lbs with zero regular exercise.

[Anonymous No.10785780]

>>10784644
Whataburger Monterey melt, hold the buns, with extra peppers and onions and a side of guacamole.

[Anonymous No.10785796]

>>10784644
Quickie bread substitute:
1/3 cup almond flour
Pinch of salt
1 tsp aluminum free baking powder
1 tsp butter
1 egg
Mix in a coffee mug and microwave for 90 secs. Drops right out of the cup. Produces a cylinder of breadishness with roughly the texture of an English muffin that works for breakfast or for making a sandwich.

[Anonymous No.10785803]

>>10785089
>cauliflower is a good rice replacement
It actually is. I use it when I make etouffee (no roux, I use cream cheese as a thickener) or osso bucco and it works just fine.

[Anonymous No.10785813]

>>10785780
>extra peppers and onions
peppers and onions are high sugar veg.

>>10785796
I had a recipe that was very much like this but I believe uses egg and psyllium husk powder. Anyway, keto baking is a fun challenge but eating a lot of almond flour will make you sick to your stomach.

[Anonymous No.10785828]

>>10784644
>any advice?
Put the fork down and stop trying to follow an unhealthy meme diet.

[Anonymous No.10785831]

>>10785020
>some veggie
Make that LOTS of veggies.
Spinach, avocado, kale, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, zucchini
THESE are key to what make keto a fantastic diet

[Anonymous No.10785832]

>>10785203
We both would be happier and more impressed if you worked out as well.
Diet ain't shit without exercise.

[Anonymous No.10785837]

>>10785832
>Diet ain't shit without exercise.
t. DYEL

[Anonymous No.10786513]

>>10785828
Keto isn't unhealthy.
It's just very risky because Atkins gave everybody the impression that you can eat steak and butter pops every day and be fine. Pretty much if you get injured or otherwise harm yourself while going on keto you're a damn retard who deserves it and one who probably wouldn't have stuck to the diet properly anyway

[Anonymous No.10786539]

>>10784644
Do it cheeto imo. When you find out fucking baby carrots have 8 grams of carbs per serving you're gonna start getting resentful and feeling like you can't win.

[Anonymous No.10786551]

>>10786513
>ketoacidosis isn't unhealthy bro
>high dietary fat intake isn't unhealthy bro
>hcas aren't unhealthy bro
>cholesterol isn't unhealthy bro
>relying on inefficient glycogenesis is fine bro

[Anonymous No.10787229]

>>10786551
Ketoacidosis primarily affects type 1 Diabetics because their body can not produce enough insulin to balance the ketone production.

[Anonymous No.10787272]

>>10787229
Can still happen in non-diabetics. Stay acidic my retarded friend :^)

[Anonymous No.10787428]

>>10784644
don't

[Anonymous No.10787439]

>>10785040
>>10785089
>>10785831
This is the way. People act like keto is about eating nothing but bacon and cheese, but really it is about eating masses of vegetables. A good keto dinner is something like a quarter of a plate of cauliflower cheese, half a plate of broccoli and other greens, and nice pork meatballs for the rest. Another hot tip for people in this thread is that some lactose free milks (like lactofree in the uk) have lower carb content than regular milk. I believe it's removed to prevent the lasctose free milk tasting too sweet. Anyway, mixing lactofree milk and almond milk is a winner.
Oh also yoghurt with low carb fruits like rhubarb and raspberries.

[Anonymous No.10787441]

>>10784644
My honest advice is that you should, if you really must do it, remember that it should only be short term and not let yourself get lost in the world of meme dieting or macronutrient shaming. Approach a keto diet more like a fast than a lifestyle or long term way of eating.

My second piece of advice is that, if you really must do it, don't use it as an excuse to eat a tonne of bacon and sausages and other processed meats. A carcinogenic food is till carcinogeneic even if you're in magical fat burning ketoland. And limit the proteins and eat your nuts, seeds and veges.

Third piece of advice: Enjoy your dark chocolate, it's tasty.

[Anonymous No.10787448]

>>10787441
..also, better to eat high fat whole foods that isolated oils, though ineveitably if you're doing it longer term you'll end up using oils just to keep calories up, whereas short term the caloric restriction is fine.

[Anonymous No.10787462]

>>10786513
Keto can definitely be unhealthy if you do it wrong (but muh bacon xD) and it does have long term health risks. Approach it like a fast or a cut, not a long term diet, to gain more of the benefits and fewer of the drawbacks.

[Anonymous No.10787481]

>>10787462

>don't stop eating processed sugars, goyim! it'll make you sick!

[Anonymous No.10787492]

>>10787462
>Keto is the only possible diet which promotes removing processed sugars
Stop being braindead and stop making false dichotomies.

[Anonymous No.10787495]

>>10787492
>>Keto is the only possible diet which promotes removing processed sugars>>10787481
oops I guess I'm braindead too.

[Anonymous No.10787499]

>>10787492
How on earth did you get that greentext from the post you quoted? Does your brain just make up random shit?

[Anonymous No.10787513]

>>10787499
No I'm just sleepy and responded to myself rather than the guy who responded to me. I meant to quote >>10787481

[Anonymous No.10787540]

>>10784644
Don't do this. Do not do keto.

You will fucking hate life.

[Anonymous No.10787655]

>>10785813
>peppers and onions are high sugar veg.
No, theyre medium carb veggies. And even with an extra helping of onions and peppers you don't get enough carbs to even approach being a problem on keto. My glucose goes up a whopping 10 pts with that meal.

[Anonymous No.10787662]

>>10785832
>Diet ain't shit without exercise.
Exercise aint shit with or without a diet.

[Anonymous No.10787674]

>>10784644
dumb boomer

[Anonymous No.10787705]

>>10785832
Diet is far FAR more important in terms of overall body composition than exercise.

Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym. That being said, exercise helps with loose skin and resistance training strengthens muscles and bones. If you go from fatty to skinny without exercise you will certainly look better than you did, but exercise rounds everything out.

Weight loss' goal is to lose fat, not muscle.

[Anonymous No.10787720]

>>10784644

broccoli cauliflower and cheese casseroles

brieftly boil or steam the veggies

melt a fuckton of cream cheese with some butter, oil and spices and put all of it in a casserole dish.
cover in parmesean or similar cheese
bake

remove and top with fresh green onions

feel your mouth orgasm

[Anonymous No.10787726]

>>10787705
>Diet is far FAR more important in terms of overall body composition than exercise.

I used to agree with this, but most people don't fucking exercise at all.
It's more of multiplicative effect.

Proper diet isn't going to fix the sedentary
and the biochemical processes that should be going on aren't going to without exercise.

[Anonymous No.10787733]

>>10785203
>zero regular exercise.

you're not a healthy person
Did you weigh 400lbs before this?

jezus

[Anonymous No.10787787]

>>10785040
No, it doesn't.
If you're getting anything but absolute minimum carbs you're not going to go into ketogenesis, and therefore it's not keto.

You make it sound like you can have a standard carb diet as long as they come from greens and veggies, and that is just not true.

[Anonymous No.10787796]

>>10786551
>ketoacidosis isn't unhealthy bro
>thinks "ketosis" and "ketoacidosis" are the same word
Sorry you're illiterate anon. ketosis is the production and burning of ketones to fuel the body, ketoacidosis is acidic blood pH accompanied by extremely high ketones (it's the acidosis that is dangerous, it just turns out to be easier to detect the accompanying ketones than the acidosis, so that's what originally keyed the doctors in to the problem).
>high dietary fat intake isn't unhealthy bro
its not as long as you're eating fairly saturated fats, thanks for trying
>hcas aren't unhealthy bro
HCA supplements aren't necessary for keto
>cholesterol isn't unhealthy bro
hormones like testosterone are mostly made from cholesterol, so good luck living that low-t lifestyle. though cells walls also use cholesterol heavily so good luck living at all
>relying on inefficient glycogenesis is fine bro
keto doesn't rely on gluconeogenesis bro, that's what the ketones are for. and most type 2's *wish* their gluconeogenesis was less efficient.

[Anonymous No.10787844]

>>10787272
>can happen
if you're type 1 or a near-type-1. or if you have a unicorn 1 in a million endocrine system that can't regulate ketone production, In which case you're at risk of dying from ketoacidosis every night because most people except type 2 diabetics go into ketosis for most of the night. why are you so afraid of a fundamental biological process that keeps you alive for 8 hrs out of every day?

[Anonymous No.10787869]

>>10785040
>Going into keto doesn't mean cutting out carbs.
yes it does. nearly all of them anyway.
>It means getting 90% of your carbs from leafy greens and veggies with tons of fiber.
pretty much. all 20 whopping carbs. wew lads.

[Anonymous No.10787901]

>>10787796
>you need to eat cholesterol to produce cholesterol

[Anonymous No.10787905]

>>10784644
Don't you mean Kino ?

[Anonymous No.10787993]

>>10787796
>Thinks that we should rely on endogenously produced glucose
>Thinks we need to rely on exogenous cholesterol

You're right about the acidosis part at least, but someone from the keto camp really needs to explain to me why they think:
-Relying on gluconeogenesis and ketones is superior to consuming glucose, on a long term diet.
-Cholesterol is necessary to ingest in diet, and why they don't care about consuming too much of it.

[Anonymous No.10788031]

>>10787726
I agree, but overall health is more determined by what you eat than how you move.

Both are important though obviously and complement each other.

[Anonymous No.10788033]

>>10785040
>most your carbs comes from greens
actually most of your carbs will be coming from CONVERTED PROTEIN. Ketofags are retarded.
Adult humans are actually really really good at surviving - to the point we will convert nearly everything we eat into carbs if you starve yourself of them. You cannot escape the evolution.

[Anonymous No.10788151]

>>10787733
Not him but a ketogenic metabolism burns fat like mad.

Best part is it only takes about 24-36 hours to go into effect.

I've been fasting to lose weight and it's absurd how easy it is after the first 48 hours to just not be hungry anymore.

[Anonymous No.10788155]

>>10787993
>Relying on gluconeogenesis and ketones is superior to consuming glucose, on a long term diet.
glucose stresses the endocrine system, and in the standard american diet this stress can be high enough to cause it to fail. type 2 diabetes is one common result, though there are others (the evidence is piling up that alzheimers is another result of this stress). if your body can handle carbs fine then knock yourself out and eat as high carb as you want. some people can, some people can't.
>Cholesterol is necessary to ingest in diet, and why they don't care about consuming too much of it.
keto people don't believe that it's necessary to ingest cholesterol, they just know it doesn't matter much, for reasons such as
- even on a HFLC diet the body produces much more cholesterol than you will consume
- the total cholesterol number turns out to be meaningless, its importance came from the early days of cholesterol testing when that was the only test we had. the composition of the cholesterol is much more important, in particular the ratio of LDL to triglycerides.
- on a HFLC diet the body produces mostly harmless HDL and relatively little of the dangerous LDL, on a high-carb diet the ratio is reversed. additionally, a high carb diet produces high levels of triglycerides while a high-fat low-carb diet lowers them dramatically. the result is a HFLC diet results in high overall cholesterol but it's the harmless kind, a high carb diet results in lower overall cholesterol but it's mostly the dangerous kind.

[Anonymous No.10788164]

>>10788033
no, you're just deliberately misunderstanding him - he was referring to ingested carbs. ketofags are well aware that most of the glucose burned during ketosis come from protein.

[Anonymous No.10788182]

>falling for the keto meme

lmfao

[Anonymous No.10788219]

My wife has lost 60 pounds on keto. I lost some too but then said fuck it, I like bread and pasta too fucking much. Lifting weights is easier.

[Anonymous No.10788310]

>>10788219
Keto is a weight loss diet

[Anonymous No.10788382]

>>10788310
so is exercise

[Anonymous No.10788386]

>>10788382
Prove it.
Protip: you can't

[Anonymous No.10788426]

>>10784644
keto is not a viable diet. It's disgusting, actually.

[Anonymous No.10788428]

>>10784712
You lose any benefit there is from eating chocolate if you go above 85% because of the way they have to extract the cocoa.

[Anonymous No.10788476]

>>10788382
Explain, dude using a darth vader image reaction, why you think bothering people online about exercising or their life choices (going on a diet that many experts who know more than you have endorsed and said is okay to do) is a constructive habit?

[Anonymous No.10788477]

>>10788428
You don't lose the benefit of being able to eat chocolate. When sugar is verboten this is a not inconsiderable thing.

[Anonymous No.10788481]

>>10788476
It produces endorphins. So fuck off lardassed ketofag.

[Anonymous No.10788885]

>>10785106
Eat whatever the fuck you want that isn't sugar/flour/grain/beans/rice/fruit or most things that grow underground like potatoes, carrots, etc. You can still use a bit of onion for flavor while cooking of course, just don't eat 'em like you would apples and you'll be fine. As a general rule of thumb if a veggie is sweet avoid it or eating too much of it, for example don't go around substituting burger buns with halved red bell peppers. Use mushrooms for that, and lettuce/cabbage as taco containers.

Add fat to everything (butter, olive oil, coconut oil, heavy cream, hard cheeses, eggs, etc), eat a shit ton of raw leafy-green salad as well as cooked veggies like broccoli/cauliflower. I love to each raw cabbage but you can cook it too. Make sure to eat enough protein otherwise your body will feed off your muscles instead of fat, but don't go overboard. Something along the lines of 4 bacon strips and a steak per day, or 2 chicken breasts per day, or a salmon fillet and a handful of shrimp per day - along those lines.
The most important thing though is to not snack and eat very few times, reduce it to 2 meals or even 1, depending if you want to lose weight.

TL;DR Just eat like you do right now, but do it less times each day and take out the rice/potatoes/spaghetti from your plate, changing them out for butter-flowing broccoli or a vinaigrette-drenched spinach/arugula/lettuce salad with bacon bits and cheese squares.
Even if you fuck up your ratios or ingredients it's ok, can't be any worse than what you're eating right now anyway.

[Anonymous No.10789134]

>>10788481
Bullshit every time I've had a runner's high it never made up for the sheer misery I was put through to achieve it. Runner's high is highly exaggerated. Could be the depression talking, however.

[Anonymous No.10789219]

>>10787481
>if you're not a high fat eating retard you must be scarfing down processed sugar
Ketards are some of the dumbest people on Earth.

>>10787844
>most people except type 2 diabetics go into ketosis for most of the night
Oh yeah.

>>10787796
>ketoacidosis is acidic blood pH accompanied by extremely high ketones
Hmm... create excess ketones while having acidic blood due to shitty dietary choices...

>its not as long as you're eating fairly saturated fats
This is wrong
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365984
Less than 10% of fat intake should be SFA

>HCA supplements aren't necessary for keto
What the fuck are you talking about? Heterocyclic amines are creating during the cooking process of meat. They're carcinogenic. Why would you supplement cancer?

>hormones like testosterone are mostly made from cholesterol
Your body makes all the cholesterol you need and your testosterone is mostly genetic. You're not going to get a test boost simply by eating dietary cholesterol you idiot. My test is 816ng/dl and I eat absolutely 0 cholesterol.

>though cells walls also use cholesterol heavily so good luck living at all
Your liver makes it you stupid cunt

>keto doesn't rely on gluconeogenesis bro
>nah I can do aerobic and anaerobic activity just fine :^)
Ketards are the worst.

>>10788155
>on a high-carb diet the ratio is reversed
Wrong. A high carb diet containing 0 cholesterol produces zero LDL particles. This is why the only way to reduce cholesterol levels and reverse heart disease is with a whole food plant based diet.

>- on a HFLC diet the body produces mostly harmless HDL
Source on claim? Regardless, why bother with HDL when you can just lower your LDL to the point where having a heart attack is nearly impossible? Ketards insist on doing shit in the most roundabout way.

[Anonymous No.10789234]

>>10788477
If you “need” to still eat chocolate you are never gonna make it anyway

[Anonymous No.10789273]

>>10788476
>going on a diet that many experts who know more than you have endorsed and said is okay to do
How many of these "experts" are homeopaths, chiropractors, naturopaths, etc. masquerading as doctors? Ketosis has actual clinical use in epileptic patients, not in lardasses who can't put the fork down. Whether you like it or not keto is damaging to your health over the long term and many actual doctors and RDs recommend that the diet be undertaken only under medical supervision.

[Anonymous No.10790424]

>>10787905
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8K0sW8GX-4

[Anonymous No.10790458]

If i wanted to try keto to lose a little weight (like 20lbs) how should i go about that and how do i effectively stop keto without gaining rebound weight afterwards? I can definitely do the diet part of it, i already don't eat very much, but i do like sugary sweets and drinks but can cut them out. I just don't understand how to make it all come into motion

[Anonymous No.10790492]

>>10790458
How about you just eat less instead of harming your body for no reason? It's quicker to lose fat on a HCLF diet anyway

[Anonymous No.10790503]

K E T O G U I D O

[Anonymous No.10790520]

>>10790492
I already eat a low amount usually, it's just usually shit food. In addition to losing weight (currently 160 and 5'7", yes i know I'm a manlet) i would like to consume less sugars overall and also kick my immense caffeine addiction while exercising more as well. Figured this might be worth a try to go at it all at once.
And i can't say I'm very researched on any diets really, never gave a shit until a few weeks ago

[Anonymous No.10790522]

>>10790520
You do realise that HCLF != High sugar right?

[Anonymous No.10790545]

question for /ck/
is this the result of keto, alcoholism or something worse?

[Anonymous No.10790547]

>>10785020
>Just gonna eat steak, chicken breast, bacon, cheese, some veggie and eggs.
This is kinda bad, you cant eat a lot of meat during keto because of gluconeogenesis. You really have to get most of your energy from fat while eating moderate amounts of protein. If you don't you can lose muscle mass instead of fat as it prevents you from being in ketosis. If you cook a 400g pack of meat it should last 2 days.

Good meal would be something like a creamy cauliflower soup with -some- bacon sprinkled over it. Soups are great because it's easy to increase the fat amount in it with cream, cheese, creme fraiche without ruining the mouth feel.

[Anonymous No.10791179]

>>10785040
Nope.
>>10787787
This. Nothing wrong with doing low carb tho. You need to increase fats and if you want to know if you're in ketogenesis you need the piss sticks.

[Anonymous No.10791278]

Ok newbie question, my barely-1st-world country (Portugal) doesn't have all the fancy sweeteners easily available and from my 2mins of research Stevia is a much better alternative to Aspartame (which is the only one found everywhere).

Are the two stevia products in my image safe for Keto? If so Which is best?
Product on the left:
>"Stevia liquid"
>Average nutritional values per 100ml: Prepared: Energy: 133.00 kJ / 31.00 kcal; Carbohydrates: 7.80 g, of which sugars: 7.80 g
>Demineralized water, agave syrup, sweetener: steviol glycosides, preservative: sorbic acid.
Product on the right:
>"Sweetener Huxol Stevia 125ml"
>Ingredients: bulking agent: erythritol, sweetener: steviol glycosides (0.8%), natural flavors

[Anonymous No.10791300]

>>10790545
>or something worse?
postmodernism

[Anonymous No.10792994]

>>10791278
Aspartame is fine, it's probably the most heavily tested artificial sweetener out there. The claims that it causes cancer come from rat studies where the rats were given orders of magnitude more aspartame by dietary percentage than humans, and even then the evidence was not very strong. It's never been observed in humans, despite decades of attempts. But that rat study got hyped to the moon, the failures to replicate it get ignored as "not news".

[Anonymous No.10793001]

>>10789234
Tell that to a woman. They've got a hormonal attachment to chocolate.

[Anonymous No.10793374]

>>10789219
Vegan detected, opinion discarded. Go back to your cult you poor deluded fucktard.

[Anonymous No.10793394]

>>10792994
I think they do spike your insulin though isn't that true? Your body reacts to the sweetness thinking it is more sugar then it is producing more than needed. I saw a guy say so on a talk show once and they way he described it made sense to me at the time but it was some daytime shit might have been soccermom science I never knew one way or the other if it was correct.

[Anonymous No.10793418]

>>10784712

>social life

[Anonymous No.10793508]

>>10793394
No, aspartame doesnt affect insulin or BG. Some sugar alcohols can do this, and caffeine can do this as well, and since aspartame is frequently consumed with caffeine...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9734727
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2182973
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1946186

[Anonymous No.10793929]

>>10793394
No this effect occurred with sucralose in one study with tissue in Petri dishes iirc, but multiple attempts to replicate this effect in both rats and humans have failed.
Mind you, sucralose is most commonly found under the brand Splenda, but Splenda is only a little sucralose; sucralose is so sweet that its difficult to accurately measure the amounts we need for coffee and tea so it has to be diluted. The makers of Splenda, for reasons known only to them, chose to dilute the sucralose with *glucose*.

[Anonymous No.10794313]

>>10789273
Um. None of those experts actually. All of them were guys with legitimate degrees that have endorsed it.

[Anonymous No.10794332]

>>10794313
>these experts with LEGIT degrees discard the body's need of glucose for reasons and shill an abnormal diet that was never followed throughout history
>it's just a fact bro :^)

[Anonymous No.10794457]

>>10784712
>all you can really do is go out for coffee
Really? I've been doing it for years because of the beetus. Gotta admit I'm loving how the fad has made it possible to find at least a couple things on the menu at almost every restaurant now. Even a fucking burger joint will do a lettuce wrap bun thing for you without it being a big deal. I'm not a freak anymore. Thanks, fat people and facebook mommies!

[Anonymous No.10794476]

>>10784644
I tried it for a month and fucking hated it. I felt like I never had any energy. I work out and everything frequently. I found it making me be more of a layabout. In terms of feeling good, I found the Paleo diet to work pretty well. Really what I do now is just low-ish carb. Instead of the standard 60-30-10 carb-protein-fat ratio that most people eat, I do closer to 40-40-20. This works out pretty well for me. More accurately, I just track my calories and try to go with my TDEE +/- a couple hundred calories, hit at least 120g of protein, and otherwise eat whatever I want.

[Anonymous No.10794649]

>>10784732
how much is a lot?

[Anonymous No.10794663]

>>10794313
Legit degrees in what?
Golf course management

[Anonymous No.10794693]

>>10790545
Strict carnivore diet. No plant matter at all.

[Anonymous No.10794718]

>>10786551
holy shit you're so misinformed, wow. Props to the guy who actually fucking replied to you, you're not worth it fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.10794731]

>>10794718
>y-you're so misinformed like wow haha holyyyyy shit i can't even lmao you dont even know anything and you're really dumb just wow
Sick argument dude.

[Anonymous No.10794741]

Dont do it. Meme diets are embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.10794749]

>>10790492
it's understandable to be skeptical about keto, but actually fucking suggesting HCLF is impressive

[Anonymous No.10794754]

>>10794749
>still doesn't have an argument
>continues to waffle on about haha so stupid i cant even explain why hahaha are you feeling bad yet have i won yet haha its just so ignorant tho :^)

[Anonymous No.10794756]

>>10794731
You comparing ketoacidosis to ketosis is enough to discredit anything you say
Eat shit and die

[Anonymous No.10794767]

>>10794756
>i'm uneducated about the topic and chiropractors have told me it's not a concern so basically ur fuckin dumb and i win

[Anonymous No.10794790]

>>10794767
Ketoacidosis is a concern if you are type 1 diabetic or you are fasting for something like 2 weeks. You're asking me to give proofs, but you don't give any yourself in first place, but you haven't given any yourself, you're just posting bullshit you've heard from some What the food or whatever vegan sectarian you listen to.

[Anonymous No.10794799]

>>10784644
dont go for the long lasting meme

Just combo it with fasting + exercise, and never come back to it. Lose the weight you need to lose, and then just eat whole foods from thereonout.

ima be real with you chief i miss rice. A lot.

[Anonymous No.10794804]

>>10794790
>he makes the same argument someone else already made and then had to concede that it was indeed possible to enter ketoacidosis on a keto diet
>if you're not pro-keto you must be vegan!
You sound triggered.

[Anonymous No.10794810]

>>10784712
>social life
Well that won't be a problem for me.

[Anonymous No.10794825]

>>10794767
>I have no idea what I'm talking about and I must shitpost
Okay.

[Anonymous No.10794831]

>>10794825
>i-i can't prove u wrong but everything i dont like is shitposting so i win
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/
You belong to one of these two low-tier containment boards.

[Anonymous No.10794833]

>>10794825
this guy is baiting, leave him be

[Anonymous No.10794837]

>>10794831
You seem REALLY butthurt about being too stupid to do any research.

[Anonymous No.10794850]

>>10794833
>everything I don't like is bait

>>10794837
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc052709
Eat shit forever.

[Anonymous No.10794909]

>>10794850
>one ill woman is enough to equate ketosis to ketoacidosis
Just kill yourself already.
Keto is not chugging coconut oil with bacon and eggs, just a reminder.

[Anonymous No.10794926]

>>10794909
>he didn't read it
>one ill woman
>ill with ketoacidosis after following a keto diet
lmfao the cope

[Anonymous No.10794970]

>>10794926
I didn't read it either. I'm a type 1 diabetic who has been on a ketogenic diet for years. I test my blood glucose levels about 10 times a day and test my urine for ketones once a day. I have excellent blood sugar control and always read a trace amount of ketones, putting me in low-level dietary ketosis. Before this diet I always had trouble keeping my blood glucose levels normal. I would go into diabetic ketoacidosis once or twice a year. It's not the same thing. It's like a nutball so afraid of hypertension he never eats any salt, then dies from hypotension, rather than realizing there is an ideal biological balance to be found somewhere in the middle. Ketosis is a normal, natural metabolic pathway. Most (non-obese) people are in a healthy and safe state of ketosis for several hours every day. The opposite end of the spectrum is ketoacidosis. This really only happens to type 1 diabetics, alcoholics, and people dying of starvation. Lol, so what kind of eating disorder do you have?

[Anonymous No.10794979]

>>10794970
>I would go into diabetic ketoacidosis once or twice a year
>It's not the same thing
Huh.

>I didn't read it either
And I didn't read past this aforementioned point. Try reading it, they concede that it's possible to develop ketoacidosis following a ketogenic diet.

[Anonymous No.10795024]

>>10794979
Page wouldn't open for me. I usually read everything. I'm always looking for information as to how this diet could kill me (because I'm pragmatically stuck with it). Sounds interesting though. Can you paraphrase why this can happen? Was this person a diabetic, starving, or an alcoholic?

[Anonymous No.10795029]

>>10794979
And by not the same thing, I mean they're opposite ends of the ketone body spectrum. It's really hard for a person without a chronic metabolic condition to go into full blown ketoacidosis.

[Anonymous No.10795031]

You can tell why people might be confused about the 2 states.

[Anonymous No.10795036]

>>10794970
>what kind of eating disorder do you have
Can't get by without that pasta

[Anonymous No.10795037]

>>10795029
but not impossible, if I take this article I can't read for granted. They found one person out of many thousands. Spontaneous human combustion is pretty rare, too.

[Anonymous No.10795048]

>>10794979
>>10795037
It's a strawman
Like saying that eating carbhohydrates equals insulin insensitivity/hyperglycemia. Fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.10795053]

>>10795037
>>10795048
>i like muh meme diet so i'm going to ignore doctors who say shit i dont like >:(
It's a lot easier to just admit it's a possibility than act like spergs and deny reality.

[Anonymous No.10795054]

>>10795036
Well it's fresh pasta. I've rewritten the summary of my life several times here. I do often ask people what kind of eating disorder they have when they're grumpy about people eating whatever they want that seems to make them healthier. There's usually some buttbug about food in there that triggers cognitive dissonance.

[Anonymous No.10795073]

>>10795048
>>10795053
I'm not sure who I'm talking to here, but I actually can track my insulin insensitivity every time I eat carbohydrates. Without breaking dietary ketosis, I'll see a rise in my fasting blood sugar that lasts two days after eating crabs, this is with the same basal dose of insulin, and on top of corrective bolus doses. I dunno, maybe I also have type 2. It's crazy when I look at my basal insulin dosage to body weight ratio (whilst keeping normal blood glucose levels) over the past couple years. I really suspect prior to 100-some years ago people just ate way fewer carbohydrates than they do now. The difference was made up with fats or just less calories. I think in a generation all the dietary guidelines are going to be saying carbohydrates are fine in moderation, instead of fat being ok in moderation. I'll be laughing if I'm still alive.

[Anonymous No.10795077]

>>10795073
>genetic fuck up on a meme diet is talking about his situation as though it's representative of normal, healthy people

[Anonymous No.10795081]

>all those people seriously replying to bait ketoacidosis poster

[Anonymous No.10795083]

>>10795077
>And yet I could probably kick your ass, bub.
I like to think of myself more of a coal mine canary or guinea pig for goofy dietary experiments, since I have more manual control of metabolic variables, being able to track cause and effect pretty rapidly. Keto seems pretty damn safe so far.

[Anonymous No.10795091]

>>10795081
What else are we gonna do at butt o'clock in the morning?

[Anonymous No.10795098]

>>10789219
why are you so upset about this?
keto-acidosis is incredibly uncommon for someone while doing keto, especially if they arent diabetic
i did strict keto for 9 months with blood tests before and after and had no issues whatsoever besides getting bored of the food

[Anonymous No.10795148]

>>10795098
probs a veggie only boy

[Anonymous No.10795163]

>>10795083
>>And yet I could probably kick your ass, bub.
Post lifts

[Anonymous No.10795302]

>>10795163
What did you just say to me, kid? I'll have you know ever since I started the keto diet I carry 50lb sacks of concrete under each arm all day long and rip trees in half when I'm pissed off. For fun I juggle cinderblocks when I'm not lighting oil drums on fire with my cigar butts. I never sleep at night because I run for miles with packs of coyotes in the dark.

[Anonymous No.10795305]

>>10794332
>discard the body's need of glucose
Ingested glucose. Fixed it for you.

https://www.nap.edu/read/10490
>Dietary Reference Intakes, Institute of Medicine, National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine
>Estimated minimum glucose needed for adult human in mild ketosis: 28g, but only 1/3 of that for a human in deep ketosis
>The liver can produce hundreds of grams of glucose per day, notably the high blood sugar in type 2 diabetics comes mostly from their liver production, not from ingested carbs.
>MFW retarded veganfags believe the minimum daily requirement of carbs isn't zero

[Anonymous No.10795311]

>>10794756
He's a vegan, That's enough to discredit him. But yeah his inability to tell the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis is pretty damning.

[Anonymous No.10795318]

>>10785803
seconding this. made cilantro lime cauliflower rice and it was surprisingly good.

[Anonymous No.10795323]

>>10795318
I like just eating cauliflower raw. It's a nice and crunchy snack with lots of fiber.

[Anonymous No.10795329]

>>10794804
Possible != likely, in fact its on the risk level of being struck by lightning on a clear day. Possible, but you've got to have a seriously fucked endocrine system.
Here's a tip retard. Ketoacidosis happens when you have no insulin at all in your body so you can't process the glucose your liver is making and your blood sugar is sky high (18+ mmol/l), and because your body is starving your ketones go sky-high (18+ mmol/l), and the combination of these two extreme events raises the acidity of your blood to dangerous levels. LCHF diets raise ketone levels to moderate levels (2.5-3.5 mmol/l) but drop glucose levels to 3.5-4.0 mmol/l , ergo ketoacidosis can't happen and in fact is an extremely long way from happening. Unless you are a type 1 diabetic or a really far gone type 2 diabetic with both nearly total insulin resistance and total beta cell failure, or have another metabolic disorder that prevents you from processing glucose even with insulin, and those diseases are really fucking rare.

[Anonymous No.10795337]

>>10795302
You should feel below me, because you are, because you choose to be. It sucks, it hurts a lot, and I know that from experience, but do you think being a whiney faggot is going to make any positive change? The world didn't deal you any raw cards, you have had millions of opportunities that you've blinded yourself to and that obliviousness has led you to blame it on everything around you. Your environment? The only hospitable planet in the solar system. Your background? Doesn't account for shit, there are child soldiers from Sudan who are making doctors of themselves. Everythin factors in your growth as a human being, but you are conscious enough to choose to direct that growth in a positive direction starting now, or to continue wallowing in your own self pity. Make your mind up, because bitching will never get you within a mile of me.

>>10795305
>links a 1335 page book
>The book literally recommends a minimum daily intake of 100g of carbs per day
>assume I'm vegan
Holy shit ketards are dumb af

>>10795329
>all this autism about a particular risk factor of their meme diet
>nobody stops to consider all the other negatives associated with it like a higher risk of CHD
It has taken you sad cunts almost 24 hours to finally accept that it's possible to suddenly die on your shitty diet yet nobody even got to pointing out that the long-term health effects are shit.

[Anonymous No.10795354]

>>10795337
Were you raped by someone who's on keto? You sound pretty mentally unstable.

[Anonymous No.10795362]

>>10795354
I don't think anyone on keto would have the energy to rape someone. Odd fantasy you have tho

[Anonymous No.10795365]

>>10795362
I can't explain your intense unhealthy hatred otherwise. Probably just mental illness. Be safe.

[Anonymous No.10795380]

>>10795365
>stop being retarded
>WHY DO U H8 ME :((((

[Anonymous No.10795607]

>>10791278
The one on the right is better. Agave syrup is sugar.

[Anonymous No.10795689]

>>10785040
No, this is all wrong. If you eat too many veggies it will fuck up ketosis and you'll have no energy. If you want any of the positive effects you need to basically go full carnivore with just a few veggies.

[Anonymous No.10795696]

>>10795689
>carnivore
Enter gluconeogenesis and you'll start losing lean muscle mass instead of fat.

[Anonymous No.10795701]

>>10795689
Leafy veggies are almost zero sugar

[Anonymous No.10795939]

Everyone's just going on about veggies and meat and cheese, why has no one mentioned nuts?

[Anonymous No.10795980]

>>10795337
>The book literally recommends a minimum daily intake of 100g of carbs per day
For individuals who are not in ketosis. Learn to read, retard. For individuals in ketosis the minimum is 0 grams.

[Anonymous No.10796001]

>>10795939
Yeah, nuts are great on keto
Almonds are best snack

[Anonymous No.10796023]

>>10795980
And the book does not recommend ketosis. It even talks of it as a state of starvation.
>ketard honestly thinks it's perfectly fine to trick his body into permanently thinking it's starving
It recommends 100g+/day of carbs. Stay mad ketard

[Anonymous No.10796045]

>>10796023
>The liver can produce hundreds of grams of glucose per day
The human body needs exactly zero carbs.
Starvation would apply when you're losing body mass you don't want to lose like lean muscle mass, but in ketosis you lose body fat.

[Anonymous No.10796046]

>>10795696
You never really leave gluconeogenesis unless you have alcohol in your bloodstream or a rare metabolic disorder (these were fatal in early childhood until recently). As the keto diet encourages consumption of sufficient protein to balance out gluconeogenesis this is not a concern, additionally any long term dietary plan must do this, even your holy vegan delusion must include sufficient protein.>>10795337
>that it's possible to suddenly die
No, we've claimed that the risk is confined to type 1 diabetics and a few other people with rare metabolic disorders. You are simply incapable of understanding the written word, no doubt due to some vegan-related vitamin deficiencies that have stunted your mental development.

[Anonymous No.10796053]

>>10796023
Ketosis is a state of carbohydrate starvation. Congratulations on reading sentences successfully, but you still need to work on the comprehension part.

[Anonymous No.10796062]

>>10796045
The book describes ketosis as starvation. Learn to read buddy.

>>10796053
That's not what it says. Try harder.

[Anonymous No.10796070]

>>10796046
>sufficient protein
I'm just trying to warn people who think keto = meat diet.
its 5% carb, 25% protein, 70%+ fat. If you eat too much meat your body exits ketosis and uses protein instead and your weight loss comes from losing muscle mass which is one of the biggest mistakes one can make when trying out keto.

[Anonymous No.10796110]

>>10795607
Thanks, I found that out after making the purchase, but I bought the one on the right so it's all good.

[Anonymous No.10796128]

>>10796070
Nobody thinks keto is a meat diet except you and the other vegan cultists who have an inability to understand anything that doesn't reinforce their favorite delusion. If anything keto is closer to a vegetarian diet than the SAD, and this is not a matter of surprise to anyone that has even cursorily looked at keto and noticed the emphasis on cruciform veggies, avocado, and olives.

[Anonymous No.10796131]

>>10796062
For someone who is not keto adapted, and yes this is discussed. Learn to read buddy.

[Anonymous No.10796136]

>>10796070
>>10796128
Can anyone explain how the fuck do you get 70%+ calories from fat? I am currently on low-carb but it's more like 50/50 proteins and fat with lots of fibrous veggies and nuts.

[Anonymous No.10796149]

>>10796128
>Nobody thinks keto is a meat diet
see>>10795689 >>10785020 and >>10796136 to a lesser extent.
People do think you're fine to eat a lot of meat which you definitely should not. They do not know how to eat to successfully be in ketosis and avoid possible issues.

[Anonymous No.10796151]

>>10796149
Do you even read?
>with lots of fibrous veggies and nuts

[Anonymous No.10796157]

>>10796136
How are you calculating that 50/50? Fat has more calories than protein by volume of weight. Also sauces, delicious sauces made from sour cream or heavy cream will bump up the fat content considerably, as will things like olives. Salmon and fatty tuna will go a long ways too.

[Anonymous No.10796162]

>>10796151
This. Reading comprehension really isn't his strong suite.

[Anonymous No.10796165]

>>10796157
>Fat has more calories than protein by volume of weight
Totally forgot this. Picrelated, it's me

[Anonymous No.10796173]

>>10796151
Leafy greens are low in carb and fat, they maintain your digestive systems function with the fibres but they don't necessarily keep you in ketosis. Nuts are also high in protein and carbs so they're a small part of your diet. 100 grams of almonds give you 20 grams of carbs and 20 g protein.
Eating those don't matter if 50% of your calories come from protein, what the fuck you just selectively read what you want? What are you even arguing for?

[Anonymous No.10796201]

>>10796173
>100 grams of almonds give you 20 grams of carbs and 20 g protein
And 50 fucking grams of fat, hmm I wonder where most of the calories are coming from. FYI that's a 3:1 ratio of fat calories to carb+protein calories. There are also some nuts that have no carbs at all.

[Anonymous No.10796213]

>>10796173
Veggies != leafy greens. Veggies for keto includes high fat olives, avocado (though like tomato they're technically fruit most people classify them as veggies) etc. Low fat veggies get a high fat sauce or dressing.

[Anonymous No.10796269]

>>10796201
oh no, I'm gonna get fat because of almonds

[Anonymous No.10796273]

>>10796269
>missing the point this hard

[Anonymous No.10796296]

>>10796273
fat makes you fat

[Anonymous No.10796312]

>>10784644
Try to fast. You probably won't make it, so eat snack sized keto approved foods at breakfast/lunch/dinner time if you must. **Never** eat until satisfied, not even almost. Push your limits. Associate the feeling of hunger with losing weight.

>for summer
You're late.

[Anonymous No.10796416]

>>10796296
Not even decent enough bait to justify a reaction image.

[Anonymous No.10796426]

>>10796416
Nutritionists ALL OVER THE WORLD recommend against eating fat. Stop with your meme unhealthy diets.

[Anonymous No.10796532]

>>10796426
>Nutritionists
Gotta admit I chuckled a bit.

[Anonymous No.10796681]

>>10785796
Anon this was solid! Havent had a sandwich in like 2 years

[Anonymous No.10796693]

>>10787540
I dunno man
my mom went keto and now I like her cooking.

Instead of weird daytime television level 'healthy foods' she just makes things where the primary ingredients are cream cheese, cheese, and meat.

[Anonymous No.10796704]

>>10785796
>>10796312

I am going to try this

my gf is glutarded and can't eat bread
and most gluten free bread fucking blows.

this looks good

[Anonymous No.10796792]

>>1079668
Glad it worked. I have fancier recipes but keep coming back to this one because it's so quick.
If you mix it longer you get a finer texture. I mix it coarser/sconier for breakfast and finer/breadier for sandwiches and sopping bread.
It toasts well, and you can augment it with nuts or spices easily, add a bit of stevia for sweeter bread (mixed coarsely with some stevia it comes out surprisingly cornbread-like). You can also add a package of yeast for more bready taste.

[Anonymous No.10796798]

>>10796792
Replying to
>>10796681

[Anonymous No.10796869]

>>10796704
Careful though, almond flour has a very high amount of calories, much higher than regular flour.

[Anonymous No.10798013]

newbie on keto here

i'm having a terrible acid reflux rn, any ideas what is causing this?

[Anonymous No.10798045]

>>10798013
are you still sucking cocks?

[Anonymous No.10798052]

>>10798045
nope, too much protein

[Anonymous No.10798060]

>>10798013
More info needed. What exactly are you eating? Any previous health issues? You taking any meds? Drugs/alcohol? Do you lie down or recline right after a meal?

[Anonymous No.10798088]

>>10798060
no previous health issues and no meds
eating fattier foods on a big deficit with almost no carbs (typical keto diet) after a meal i just sit down ane browse stuff
no alcohol or drugs but i do smoke

[Anonymous No.10798111]

>>10798088
what. exactly. are. you. eating?

Post a sample meal that you got acid reflux from. Don't skip any details.

[Anonymous No.10798117]

>>10798088
>newbie
How long doing keto?

[Anonymous No.10798135]

>>10798111
pork chops, fried cheese, eggs and apple juice was my last meal

[Anonymous No.10798147]

>>10798135
Jesus christ, how do I get the "dont skimp on details" part into your thick skull?

>>pork chops
OK, how were they cooked? Seasoned with what?
>>Fried cheese
battered or breaded or pan fried?
>>Eggs
How cooked? How many?
>>apple juice
pasteurized or not?

Are any of these foods new for you since you started keto? Did you have any other symptoms beyond reflux? Itching or tingling in the mouth/tongue, perhaps?

[Anonymous No.10798162]

>>10784712
>social life
finna kek

[Anonymous No.10798184]

>>10798147
>pork
fried in sunflower oil in a pan. seasoned with salt
>cheese
breaded white cow cheese
>eggs
2 boiled eggs with oil and pepper
>apple juice
pasteurized

i did not make those, so I might have missed on a detail.this was a unique visit to family relatives and I rarely eat there so that might be the cause of the problem

[Anonymous No.10798270]

>>10788151
you do realise that in order to burn fat /lose weight, you need to be at a calorie deficit? being in ketosis isn't a prerequisite for weight loss. the ONLY WAY TO LOSE FAT is to consume fewer calories than your body needs to do all the things it normally does

also most people who think they are in ketosis probably aren't. ketosis is a pretty extreme state of metabolism and requires testing to confirm that you are maintaining it. most people use it as an excuse to eat more meat, eggs, and cheese

ffs there are people in here conflating ketosis with ketoacidosis. if you are in ketoacidosis you are knocking on death's door, unless you want your blood teetering on a ph so low that hemoglobin has difficulty binding oxygen

>>10795318
try a few pinches of garlic powder, thyme, salt, and a dash of crushed red pepper

>>10796165
this image is my favorite

[Anonymous No.10798315]

>>10785020
yeah, lactose free is actually the bad way to go. the natural occurring sugars in both milk and yogurt are sorta bound to the lactose in it, so anytime you get anything dairy that's "fat free" it's almost certain that they added the sugar back into the food after taking it out.

this is a super late reply to this thread, but just an FYI to anyone who want's to get away from added sugar. just get the whole fat, and use less or deal with a higher degree of fairly healthy fats. plus it fucking tastes better, and usually the whole fat options have less sugar overall despite tasting better. this is the case for yogurt at least.

[Anonymous No.10798427]

>>10798270
Its more complicated than that. It's possible to be at a calorie deficit and not burn fat. This has been demonstrated in the lab with rats (they were on a starvation diet with high insulin levels, and when the died from starvation they had more fat than at the start of the experiment), and has been observed in the field with type 2 diabetics. Conversely, during ketosis the body had to burn more calories to to jumpstart the ketone burning process, so your energy use goes up. Also you tend to urinate ketones so you don't even need to burn them. And finally a HFLC diet suppresses hunger, so its very easy to run at a calorie deficit, even to go 0 calorie for extended periods requires little effort, running a few hundred calories is nothing.

>most people who think they are in ketosis probably aren't
Citation needed. Keto people are seemingly obsessed with ways to verify their ketosis levels, ketostrips, blood meters, breath meters.

[Anonymous No.10798963]

>>10798135
>apple juice

You're not on keto.

[Anonymous No.10798976]

>>10784644
I'm also trying it out for a bit, but I'm worried about gluconeogenesis because I also want to continue my weight routine. right now i've got macros of 5% carbs, 60% fat and 35% protein since I still want to get 1g of protein per lb. I just want to know if that's too much protein.

[Anonymous No.10799923]

>>10784644
Keto flu is hitting me hard.
I am so tired and my headache is killing me. Has anyone eben paranoid they are in a ketoacidosis? Are there any obvious symptoms?

[Anonymous No.10799985]

>>10799923
>paranoid they are in a ketoacidosis
Are you diabetic?

[Anonymous No.10800031]

>>10798184
>breaded
>apple juice
That's not remotely low carb.

[Anonymous No.10800038]

I've been eating a keto diet for almost half a year now because I was really curious if it could improve my fatigue and prediabetes (it did, and I'm no longer prediabetic).

But now when I eat something sweet/starchy I noticeably feel worse after eating it. Is this normal? I was thinking I should transition to low carb and add starchy veggies or buckwheat but I'm afraid of feeling worse again.

Some time ago I drank hot cocoa for the first time in a long while and I felt really blah and regretted it few minutes after. Lost any appetite I had until the feeling went away after an hour. I ate a sweet potato with some baby carrots and felt the same thing but more mildly. Yesterday I ate a small slice of cheesecake and same thing happened.

[Anonymous No.10800044]

>>10799923
Drink some beef or chicken buillion. Your electrolytes are low, this happens early on because you're pissing so much. If you're really worried about acidosis check your blood sugar, ketoacidosis happens when *both* ketone and glucose levels are sky high, and is exceedingly rare outside of type 1 diabetics since high insulin levels shuts down ketone production.

[Anonymous No.10800057]

>>10800038
Yeah I ate cake and ice cream for my birthday last night and feel pretty ugh right now. I think it's basically carb flu, the opposite of keto flu. Body isn't used to running on carbs anymore, the higher blood sugar (current fasting 87 vs my normal fasting 72) causes dehydration and mild headaches, etc. I'm looking forward to getting back in ketosis later today. My ketones are up to 4.5 this morning because my insulin came right back down last night and ketone production resumed, but I haven't been burning them. Should resume later tiday.

[Anonymous No.10800061]

>>10800038
>But now when I eat something sweet/starchy I noticeably feel worse after eating it. Is this normal?
Yeah, it's normal. It's a known thing for athletes who start carb-loading to feel sleepy.

[Anonymous No.10800085]

>>10799985
nope, but it is still possible

>>10800044
Thank you. I will eat foods richer in electrolytes and if I still feel like shit in a few days, I will consider some tests.

[Anonymous No.10800250]

>>10800085
If you're just switching to keto this is just normal keto flu, and bumping your electrolytes with bullion and maybe bumping your ketone levels with MCT oil in your coffee are the proven ways to minimise the symptoms. It will go away in a few days, though then precise duration varies among individuals. If it were ketoacidosis you'd be long dead. Ketoacidosis is a runaway condition where your liver is producing glucose that your body cant use because it doesnt have any insulin, and it can't burn the glucose because it doesnt have any insulin but it has lots of ketones, and the high blood sugar doesnt make your insulin rise and shut off ketone production because your body isnt making insulin, and your body thinks its in near death starvation so your liver makes more glucose and your body makes more ketones, and glucose and ketone goes spiralling rapidly into the stratosphere.

[Anonymous No.10800979]

>>10800038
>it did, and I'm no longer prediabetic
NOO!!!! YOU ARE LYING!!! YOU ARE DYING FROM KETO ACIDOSIS

[Anonymous No.10801165]

>>10800979
By now he's already dead

[Anonymous No.10802508]

>>10799923
Broth and make sure you're getting electrolytes and shtuff. I don't think I got keto flu when I went back on keto, but it took me a while (probably 2 weeks) to get back into fat adaptation. Was exhausted in workouts and now my energy levels are totally back to normal.

I don't know anything about ketoacidosis though sorry.

[Anonymous No.10803453]

>>10789273
>keto is damaging to your health over the long term
Yeah, it's a short term diet. It's a cutting diet.

[Anonymous No.10803620]

>>10784644
i'm on day 7 of keto.
4 eggs and 1 slices of cheese for breakfast
4 eggs and 2 sausages for lunch
3 eggs 2 slices of cheese and sardine for dinner
thats pretty much what i've been eating, sometimes i change the type of meat and sometimes i eat a banana to fill the carbs intake

but... I CAN'T TAKE A SHIT AND IT FUCKING PISSES ME
it got really bad 2 days ago, all i can shit are little balls of poop
i don't think this is healthy but i jus't don't know what to do. Should i just take laxatives every now and then?

[Anonymous No.10803773]

>>10784712
Yeah one thing that sucks about keto is the social problems. Whenever I go keto I end up just not making any plans for as long as possiblle

[Anonymous No.10803787]

>>10803620
>Should i just take laxatives every now and then?
Yeah probably. Also you're gonna get really sick of eggs if you're eating them 3 meals a day every day. One suggestion that I always eat during keto (my favorite keto meal) is hamburger patties with mayo spread on top and then bacon on top of the patties and mayo. Then green beans on the side. It's filling and really good

[Anonymous No.10803792]

>>10784712
oh no, all of my social activities...

[Anonymous No.10803820]

>>10785089
>stay away from mayo
Wtf are you talking about, mayo is 0 carbs

[Anonymous No.10803847]

>>10803620
Before taking up a specific diet, research it properly. The fact that you haven't eaten vegetables, which is a key part of keto, giving the required fiber for proper digestion, nutrients and poopconsistency, is baffling. I mean, did you like read one post that said "keto = meat and cheese" and just go eat that right away, NOT doing any other reading on the diet?

I sincerely hope this is a troll since this just fucking.. just goddamn it Anon

[Anonymous No.10803863]

>>10803620
why are you eating so many eggs lmao

[Keto for Dummies No.10804254]

Does anyone have suggestions for electrolytes?

[Anonymous No.10804370]

>>10787733
started diet around 230lbs which is XL t-shirt realm (currently 165)

by zero exercise i mostly meant no regular gym visits and definitely not sitting on the computer 24/7

[Anonymous No.10804418]

>>10803847
vegetables aren't required though.
it just takes time to adjust.
which nutrients do you think are only in vegetables and not in meat, fish, and eggs?

[Anonymous No.10804529]

>>10804418
The important thing is nutrient density.
I'd say potassium from green veggies is the most important.

[Anonymous No.10804603]

>>10804529
how are meat/fish/eggs not nutrient dense?
light salt works way better for potassium than vegetables, way cheaper too.

[Anonymous No.10804635]

>>10803620
What the....

1) Eat veggies you dense motherfucker
2) You're most likely eating too much protein
3) Do intermittent fasting, try to eat only twice a day within a 6 hour window.

Personally I just straight up jumped to 1 meal a day at the same time I started keto. And by the second day I was already doing 100% fine with no hunger until about 2pm (I eat at 4-5pm). Why would you ever think eating zero greens would help you out? Are you... American or something? I don't get it. How can a chopped up head of cauliflower/broccoli roasted in the oven with spices and cheese NOT taste good? How can a bag of fresh spinach sauteed in the pan smothered with butter, garlic and vinegar and/or lime/lemon NOT be fucking delicious?
How can thinly sliced raw cabbage with some keto sauce not taste even better than potato chips next to a burger?
Did you grow up on absolute zero veggies?

[Anonymous No.10804651]

>>10803620
>>10804635
This was a really eye opening post for me. I hear all these internet spergs going durr durr people get too much protein. I was having some trouble with my recovery times (lifting, cycling, running, no car, I walk or ride everywhere) that I fixed with protein powders, 2x daily once before my first ride of the day, and again just before going to sleep at night.

I eat quite a lot of seasonal vegetables and legumes, some meat, a lot of yogurt, and some eggs, and rice (I find the rice sits better with me than too much wheat).

I was always like "wtf, how can people think it's easy to get enough protein". I dunno about others but busting past 100g per day without making every single meal a big heap of meat is not easy.

Then I find out, there are people who live sedentary lifestyles, who eat like this.

[Anonymous No.10804692]

>>10804651
>people who don't own a car or use public transport, walk everywhere, lift, do cycling and running on a regular basis need more protein than the average person
well, no shit.

[Anonymous No.10804696]

>>10804651
what's wrong with making every meal a big heap of meat?

[Anonymous No.10804698]

Dont want to make a new thread for it but how should i prepare a bone-in pork belly? Doesn't necessarily need to be a keto recipe.

[Anonymous No.10804707]

>>10804692
The other one that got me was "durr durr spot reduction fallacy, all you need is the compound lifts, don't ever do targeted exercises, abs are made in the kitchen"

One month out of pure boredom with my routine, I decided to add a few ab sets (hanging leg raise, decline bench crunches with pl8, etc)

Imagine my surprise when I started seeing enhanced muscle definition on my stomach very rapidly

The problem with internet advice is that it assumes everyone is a broke, obese, picky eater ham planet who spends all day playing video games, chugging energy drinks, and eating microwaved junk food. If anyone suggests it is possible to be healthy or have a balanced diet, it is assumed they must be trolling and/or insane

[Anonymous No.10804714]

>>10804696
First of all it's annoying to deal with cross contamination all the time, meat just makes every cleanup more obnoxious, having to have multiple cutting boards, having to take out the trash on a daily basis because it starts to smell noxious from having a wad of meat juice soaked butcher paper festering away.

Second, I only eat fairly high quality meat, which gets expensive unless it's just ground pork ($10/lb or so), and while ground pork is tasty who wants to eat that 3 meals a day?

I acknowledge that the meat industry (even the ethical meat industry) has something of a stranglehold over my life, but in the ideal world, we'd all be mostly meat-free. It would be like, 2-3x a year. Carnism is a disease.

[Anonymous No.10804720]

>>10804418
Goddamn, I almost fell for it.
Look, just in case there's a possibility that you're this dense, just eat some fucking veggies.
The fiber is fucking necessary, both insoluble (like leafy greens) and soluble (nuts, psyllium).
Please just.. read more up on the diet instead of taking a few articles that you've read as your complete guideline to it.
As for vitamins, Vitamin C is lacking in this particular example of a diet.

[Anonymous No.10804723]

>>10804698
>bone-in pork belly?

[Anonymous No.10804771]

>>10804720
but fiber isn't necessary, not insoluble nor soluble.
I'm not the 11 eggs a day guy you responded to originally. I've done quite a bit of research on diets in general.
vit C requirement depends on carb intake and intake of connective tissue, resulting in an almost zero requirement if you eat only meat/fish/eggs.
so what are some things you actually need that (like fat, protein, minerals or vitamins) are in vegetables and not meat?

[Anonymous No.10804783]

>>10804714
why would we be meat-free in the ideal world?
people were evolved to thrive on meat, not on vegetables or grains.
animals living and dying in nature are part of the biological cycle.
cultivating grains like soy, corn, and wheat en masse disrupts that cycle, depletes soil, and destroys the environment.

a more reasonable view would be that not carnism is a disease, rather humans. animals living off the land, dying, and resupplementing the land has been going on for many millions of years. the exhaustion of the planet due to overpopulation of billions of humans is the disease.

[Anonymous No.10804907]

>>10804783
>people were evolved to
That’s not how evolution works

And I never said “no meat ever”, that’s your carnism getting defensive

[Anonymous No.10804915]

>>10784644
dumb boomer

[Anonymous No.10804925]

>>10804783
>people were evolved to thrive on meat, not vegetables or grains

>muh naturalism as he types from his computer and hunts his food from mcdonalds

[Anonymous No.10804956]

>>10804925
>vegan posts soyjak
holy fucking shit

[Anonymous No.10804960]

>>10784712
>social life

nice one, 8/10

[Anonymous No.10804993]

>>10804254
Bacon. Beef and chicken bullion, marmite which also has a shitton of b vitamins (use sparingly because its salty as fuck). Also low sodium salt. They replace the missing sodium with potassium, which is the other critical electrolyte - low sodium salt is pretty much the only difference between kool-ade and gatorade. I use low sodium salt on my meat and in my vinagrette, and during a fast (intermittent or long term) where those aren't an option i'll put a sprinkle in whatever i'm drinking, usually some kind of sugar free iced tea. Not afraid of sodium, but low sodium salt neatly provides both major electrolytes in one cheap readily available package.

[Anonymous No.10805814]

>>10804993
is there any taste difference between standart salt and potassium salt?

[Anonymous No.10805833]

>>10796213
>avocado (though like tomato they're technically fruit most people classify them as veggies)

Seriously? People consider them fruit in my country.

[Anonymous No.10805835]

>>10804783
>Our Paleolithic hunter-gatherer ancestors took in about 11,000 milligrams (mg) of potassium a day from fruits, vegetables, leaves, flowers, roots, and other plant sources, and well under 700 mg of sodium. That's a sodium-to-potassium ratio of 1 to 16. Today, we get more sodium (3,400 mg) than potassium (2,500 mg), for a ratio of 1.36 to 1.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/sodiumpotassium-ratio-important-for-health

inb4 cuntspiracy charges because DATS NOT WHAT ATKINS SAID
he lied to you about the inuits too LMAO

[Anonymous No.10806019]

>>10803620
your basement must smell wonderful

[Anonymous No.10806491]

>>10805814
Never had pure potassium salt, so i have no idea if it even has any taste at all. Low sodium salt still tastes like salt though.

[Anonymous No.10806913]

>>10804993
>low sodium salt

[Anonymous No.10806920]

>>10784644
cyanide brings the flavour you need.

[Anonymous No.10807730]

>>10806913
>hurr wut am salt durr
seriously?

[Anonymous No.10807958]

>>10803787
i don't mind eggs, but yeah, they're bound to taste like shit at some point

>>10803847
they told me "eat high fat stuff like butter, olive and coconut oil" but i can't live on butter alone so meat and eggs were the only things with high fat i found, i haven't tought about fiber until now

>>10803863
cheapest and easiest to make food with high fat i could find, it also tastes great so idk

>>10804635
>1)
didn't occur to me until now, will do
>2)
I do 90minutes of bjj 5 times a week, so i figured that the amount of protein im eating rn would be fine
>3)
does it really make a difference? i only eat 3 times a day and don't really feel hungry inbetween meals. My calorie intake is at about 1700kcal, so im losing weight either way right?

>>10804651
>Then I find out, there are people who live sedentary lifestyles, who eat like this.
Is it really that weird? i used to eat bread 2 times a day, so eating eggs on every meal now doesn't seem too extreme

[Anonymous No.10808113]

>>10806913
>sodium chloride is the only salt
Found the dropout. Here's a few clues to this baffling scientific mystery:
Sodium Chloride is a salt
Potassium Chloride is also a salt
This is the really amazing part - Sodium Nitrite is also a salt, as is Potassium Nitrate, thus demonstrating that chloride isnt necessary for a salt.

If you take a can full of sodium chloride, and pull some of it out and replace it with potassium chloride, you now have a can of salt that is still 100% salt, but that has less sodium in it. Clever, no? And since your body needs both sodium and potassium, such a mixture of salts has the advantage of supplying both at one fell swoop.

[Anonymous No.10808289]

>>10808113
>durr dihydorgen monoxide
Thanks captain autismo.

I think the point was that salt in a food context means NaCl and if you're swapping potassium chloride out, people are going to call you a fatty fat ham planet cardiac case. Fatty.

[Anonymous No.10808370]

>>10808289
>salt in a food context means NaCl
Sea salt is a mix of salts in addition to sodium chloride, including potassium chloride. Curing salts are a mix of various salts, including sodium nitrite and potassium nitrate. All of these are food related salts. How the fuck do you not know this? Are you retarded? Is it too hard for you to comprehend that one particular food-related salt containing potassium chloride and sodium chloride might be useful to maintain electrolyte balance? Jesus fucking christ the stupid it burns.

[Anonymous No.10808407]

>>10808370
>Sea salt is a mix of salts in addition to sodium chloride, including potassium chloride
Less than 0.1%, so, no, not really. You might as well try and argue that when people say salt they mean gold.
>Curing salts are a mix of various salts, including sodium nitrite and potassium nitrate
And notice how you had to include the word "curing" in front of "salts" (with an S at the end as well)
>How the fuck do you not know this?
Know what? How to abuse words and then claim it's everyone else who was wrong?

Look, when you go to the quicky lube, and they say your oil level is low, and you agreed that they should put some oil in, would you be annoyed, or happy, if they dumped extra virgin olive oil into your car without telling you. I mean, technically it's an oil, right?

Get yourself checked for autism.

[Anonymous No.10808411]

>>10808407
>>10808370
Oh sorry I forgot the most important part: you fat fuck fatty cardiac patient. Enjoy your genetics.

[Anonymous No.10808682]

>>10808411
Touched a nerve, eh? I'd have thought you'd be used to the pitying stares by now, but your mommy probably gave you gold stars for shitting near the toilet and called you mommy's smart little boy.

[Anonymous No.10808772]

>>10784644
buy some pig fat and melt it down into lard.

You'll be using it alot.

[Anonymous No.10808907]

>>10808682
>u mad
Great argument, fatty fat

[Anonymous No.10808996]

>>10788428
What benefit? Could you elaborate?

>>10789234
I've been eating 100% cacao since before I started keto. Shit's delicious.

>>10785020
I can't speak for the mayo used by burger joints, but the mayo I buy has zero carbs and I eat a ton of it.

[Anonymous No.10809845]

So can i continue to have jam crackers and cheese with my wine?

[Anonymous No.10809850]

>>10809845
No. Cheese only. Not even the wine.

[Anonymous No.10809868]

>>10809850
whiskey and parmcrackers? are there any options for low carb crackers or low carb fruits?

[Anonymous No.10810092]

>>10809868
Well.... crackers are kinda, by definition, carb rich. At least if they're made out of wheat. As for low carb fruits, I have no idea, mate. But a lot of people say that you can get by with about 40g of carbs per day on keto so budget yourself I suppose.

[Anonymous No.10810101]

>>10809868
Also, most liquors (as far as I can tell) have few to no carbs at all. I miss my beer but I can still drink my voddie because it literally has no carbs.

[Anonymous No.10810102]

>>10798013
I had the same thing, went away after about 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.10810145]

>>10809868
Some meme vegetable crackers maybe.

[Anonymous No.10810166]

>>10794649
bout tree-friddy

[Anonymous No.10811298]

>Come into the thread expecting weight loss stories, recipes, fast food keto options, and general talk about keto
>it’s bro science contrarian shitposters who think all of the following
1. Ketoacidosis and ketosis are the same thing
2. Keto is a meme diet that doesn’t result in weight loss
3. Random anons on this board, (not even on fit) who think they know more than the doctors and research who show benefits of keto diets especially for fat people
Never trust anyone on a 4chan board. Do your research and take the steps keto anons. I lost weight on keto about 70 pounds and back on the normal food stuff.

[Anonymous No.10811313]

>>10810092
>40g carbs
now what does that translate to?

[Anonymous No.10811454]

>>10811298
Well lets say ive lost idk 20 pounds,wouldn't i gain it all back shortly after getting off the diet? Or could i maintain my it just by not eating crap all the time

[Anonymous No.10811486]

>>10811454
Maintain it by not eating crap all the time. Plus everybody’s body is diffferent. Some can see a signficant weight rebound, some can see it continuation of weight loss and some can jus stay at that weight they’ve arrived to. I slowly reintroduced carbs and I only gain 2 pounds. After that, it was smooth sailing at a steady normal calorie deficit until I was satisfied. Like I said, do some research and figure out what’s best for you after.

[Anonymous No.10811494]

>>10811454
>,wouldn't i gain it all back shortly after getting off the diet?
Depends on what you do after you get off the diet.
If you go back to bad eating habits then yeah you'll gain it back. But if you maintain a healthy diet then you won't. It's no so much about what you are eating but rather how MUCH.