Keto Diet

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Keto Diet Anonymous Thu Apr 26 21:28:12 2018 No.10512210 [Reply] [Original]

Who on /ck/ has done keto? I'm on day 4 and feel great. Does keto really work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 22:49:48 2018 No.10512510 I just can't understand not eating many vegetables. That's the one thing that goes against everything I've ever been told or known to be true.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 22:51:27 2018 No.10512523 >>10512210 Dumbest diet ever. Really bad for your heart.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 22:54:39 2018 No.10512539

>>10512210
I lost like 40 lbs in 4 months pretty damn easily on it. As long as you stick to the diet, it is hard to overeat because you really can't eat 95% of food. It also cuts out all shit processed sugars which are the main problem for most people. Also fat is very filling.

Berries aren't keto tho..
>>10512510
you are suppose to eat a lot of dark green veggies. But yes, it is a diet that revolves around eating primarily fat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:01:25 2018 No.10512572 my wife lost 50 pounds and her tits shrunk fuck you, keto

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:04:25 2018 No.10512587 Been doing it for a couple of months, never had so much energy in my adult life. Fairly thin build to start with, but had a bit of a beer gut for a while. Dropped 20 some pounds so far, getting more muscular.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:06:46 2018 No.10512598 I did it back when i was 19 years old for 6 months. Felt really good. Lost a few. But it was difficult to stay on when i went to University. It is NOT a diet for long term , no matter what the dogma says about avoiding bread forever till you die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:08:41 2018 No.10512607 >>10512510 A GOOD keto diet is about eating a lot of vegetables. it should be 70% vegetables, protein, and good fat from fatty fish, nuts, or avocado. Things to avoid are carbs, including sugars from fruit. The OP picture is garbage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:12:23 2018 No.10512623 You WILL gain your weight back when you start eating normal again. You need to learn how to eat properly and in moderation. Just cutting out all these foods is not a smart way of doing it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:13:49 2018 No.10512627 >>10512623 >You WILL gain your weight back when you start eating normal again. Even on calorie maintainence or deficit? Doesn't make sense.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:17:28 2018 No.10512636

>>10512627
I think he means most people go on keto, lose the weight, then they just go back to their old habbits and gain it all back. You need something you are going to stick to for life and 99.99% of people aren't doing keto for life cause it is hell long term.

At the end of the day, cutting out sugar/processed garbage and just eating real home cooked meals is the answer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:18:43 2018 No.10512646 >>10512636 >I think he means most people go on keto, lose the weight, then they just go back to their old habbits and gain it all back Well yeah no shit, that applies to every single diet out there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:19:01 2018 No.10512648 >>10512210 >I'm on day 4 and feel great You will feel like shit in a few days ("keto flu"). It will last a few days to a week. Then you will feel better again, but with slightly less energy than before you started doing keto.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:19:28 2018 No.10512651

>>10512523
One of the dumbest comment ever.

>you eat fat, you get fat on your arteries
>you are what you eat
That's some Jeeper's Creepers shit dude.

You get clogged arteries from inflammation (causing plaque)
You get inflammation generally from unhealthy fats (trans and omega-6 rich fats) and sugars, specifically in high dosages. Simple and refined sugars are the worst.

Anything pro-inflammatory is pure faggotry. You're a faggot if you like daily intake of pro-inflammatory mass-produced processed cheap crap.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:22:08 2018 No.10512662

>>10512627
If you can manage to somehow stay on maintenance while reintroducing normal foods, go for it.

>>10512651
Satured fat raises cholesterol. If you keep the diet low in saturated/trans fats then I guess you'd be alright for a while. Not forever though.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:25:27 2018 No.10512680
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>>10512648
Watch out for this, get ready to drink broth and other sodium heavy stuff as you are going to pee like crazy and have lots of shariah. But after that phase it's pretty great :)

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:31:02 2018 No.10512703

>>10512662
Your liver produces a block of butter worth of that, everyday. You just produce less when you get more of it in dietary form.

Health fat IS saturated fat high in omega-3 (opposed to trans oils/fats and most veggie oils)

66% of your brain is fat, 20% of that former percentage is saturated fat (DHA), your cells' membranes are made up of fat, cells and neurons use fat to communicate.

Just go do some research, investigate both sides of the argument, and use your head.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:36:56 2018 No.10512723 >>10512703 This >>10512662 Falling for the cholesterol meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:38:40 2018 No.10512732 >>10512703 Saturated fat isn't omega3 dumbass. Omega 3 is poly-unsaturated. Look at salmon, it's low in saturated fat, high in monounsatured fat, and high in omega 3 polyunaturated fats. So therefore it's healthy. I repeated - LOW in saturated fat.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:55:38 2018 No.10512794

>>10512732
>dumbass
I LOL'ed. Alright yeah I might have mixed up saturated with poly-saturated.

But that doesn't mean the great brainwashing initiated by Ancel Keys was right. "That Sugar Film" movie and "Low Carb Down Under" YT are highly advisable. Both scientific and evidence-based.

Healthy saturated fats are the most stable so they are less likely to oxidized when cooked and when roaming your body in lipid form. Meaning they are less likely to build up on your arteries.

As for my fat confusion:
https://files.ketodietapp.com/Blog/files/2015/03/CompleteGuide_FatsOils.pdf

It's been a while I did a research on the essentials. I did compare fats and oils back then when I started and I've been rolling with the results since. Appreciate the refresher anyways.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:01:39 2018 No.10512811

>>10512648
>>10512680
Yeah those sugary glycogen stores are full of water dude. Gonna be flushing lots of minerals out of your body.

I'd also suggest making sure you get enough magnesium, sodium, and potasium (the big 3) with vegetables and supplements if your really worried. Watch out though don't get too much sodium (but also not too little since too little id more dangerous than too much) and keep in mind table salt is about 50% sodium.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:02:58 2018 No.10512817 >>10512811 *you're really worried >totally intentional just to bump this thread

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:17:41 2018 No.10512864

>>10512607
What kind of garbage are you spewing? 70% by mass, maybe, but nobody measures their diet by mass. The OP image is a pie chart of calories by macronutirents, and when you're on a keto diet you WILL be getting most of your calories from fat. Leafy greens provide very few calories relative to their mass, which is mostly indigestible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:27:07 2018 No.10512892 >>10512864 You are supposed to consume a lot of vegetable matter on a good keto diet. OP's pic has no vegetables, and implies that most of food consumed is just fat.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:40:53 2018 No.10512938

>>10512210
62 lbs lost in 7 months doing lazy keto. I'm back to center of normal BMI. Woooo! I decided to do keto forever. Fuck carbs.

My meals today:
breakfast: bacon and eggs
lunch: pot roast with zucchini and mushrooms
dinner: pork chops and cauliflower fried "rice"
dessert: sugar-free strawberry jell-o with stevia whipped cream

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:41:38 2018 No.10512942 File: 6 KB, 213x237, images.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >lose fat >obtain diabetes and/or liver failure

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:56:27 2018 No.10512978 File: 13 KB, 480x480, 1491533665775.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Been on keto for two weeks. I ate an entire head of lettuce over two days. I actually craved broccoli the other day. What's even happening to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:02:08 2018 No.10512993 >>10512978 Our scallops and zucchini was noticeably sweet tonight. Keto is awesome. I did it once before and when back to normal. I'm thinking I will stay keto or go paleo when I'm done losing weight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:08:16 2018 No.10513010 >>10512993 I've cooked with eggplant, but never zucchini. How do you prepare it? What do you do with it? And yeah, paleo sounds great. Fruits are so ridiculously sweet to me now, I eat 1/8 of a grapefruit as a dessert.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:25:46 2018 No.10513071 >>10513010 Zucchini is easy to cook, just slice it into half inch pieces and saute it in a pan or cook it on the grill

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:33:25 2018 No.10513097 >>10512210 My mom does it she lost 45 lbs and started running (never saw her run ever until she was 60) she's never been healthier Plus, I actually like her cooking now because it is 80% cheese

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:54:10 2018 No.10513326 >>10512938 Neat! Gj anon Don't be discouraged if you let loose month or twice every couple months, as long as your not carbing up crazy everyday. Also keto+intermittent fasting+endurance sport = goldilocks zone

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:56:46 2018 No.10513332 >>10513097 Good on her! Dude that's really impressive considering her age. This will definitely encourage my mother. Did your mother reverse any particular illness in the process?

Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 03:39:08 2018 No.10513417

http://meatheals.com

Keto is for babies. Zero carb carnivore is for manly men.

All carbohydrates are dangerous and addictive, not just refined sugar. If you eat like a sheep, you'll think like one, you herbivorous bitchboi. Start eating like a wolf and you'll think like one. Apex predators (like myself) are too alpha for disease. Even the most cursory research into zero carb health absolutely fucking annihilates every food myth out there. Industry shills are out in full force, so be vigilant and do your own research. Removing carbohydrates will only hurt the corrupt food and medical establishment's bottom line. For millions of years our ancestors were apex predators. Cancer wasn't a thing until people started eating fruit, vegetables, and grains, in a human CAFO experiment gone horribly wrong. Look where trusting the "experts" has gotten us. Their depopulation agenda ends with the spread of carnivorous healing and wisdom.

>I just can't understand not eating many vegetables. That's the one thing that goes against everything I've ever been told or known to be true.

Everything you've ever been told about food is a lie. The trillion dollar agricultural-pharmaceutical complex relies on disinformation in order to profit from your carbohydrate addiction and inevitable disease.

I couldn't manage to stay on keto because I would keep relapsing on carbage. A handful of blueberries would balloon into a pizza. Since starting ZC I no longer have to brush my teeth, I have almost no body odor, and my chronically clogged sinuses have cleared out completely. I don't crave junk anymore, and could easily go for days without eating without getting hungry at all. I eat delicious, fatty meat every day which always leaves me satisfied. Better get used to eating tons of saturated animal fat if you want to be healthy. Any "low fat" piece of carbage you find in a grocery store is actually a weapon. Soylent is a weapon of mass destruction. It's chemical warfare.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 03:48:53 2018 No.10513433 >>10513417 Way too many redpills. There's no way I'm eating a taco salad without the salad.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 03:52:22 2018 No.10513436

>>10512539
>Berries aren't keto tho
They have some carbs, but you can eat them if you know what you're doing. Strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries are like 5-8 net carbs per 100g. I usually eat a handful every day. Raspberries in particular are fucking great. High in Vitamin C, very high in fiber, and the lowest sugar fruit. Currently strawberry season right now though. There's such a big size difference between them that you really need to weigh them.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 04:00:31 2018 No.10513448

>>10512627
First off, there's no such thing as "eating normal". You eat what you eat. And you're right, you don't magically get fat all of a sudden when you eat carbs again. Several times a year I end up going out of ketosis because of holiday dinner parties. I gain about 5 lbs. of water weight in a few days, then about a week after that I'm back in ketosis and I lose 5 lbs. of water weight. Keto isn't magic. Still 95% about calories.

Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 04:12:20 2018 No.10513469

>>10513417
I've successfully cured lifelong depression and bipolar disorder on a 100% animal diet. Mental illness is always induced by carbage in the diet. When you eat things that aren't actually food, all kinds of angry bacteria take over your gut biome and interfere with the production of neurotransmitters. I can safely say that a zero carb lifestyle saved my life. I used to wake up every day and feel the pain from oxidative stress and chronic inflammation. All my body aches and pains went away completely once I stopped eating poison. Costochondritis? Gone. GERD? Later dawg. Drug addictions? Forget about it, player. I quit smoking easily in my first week on ZC. Basically, I'm getting healthy as fuck and you retards have no fucking idea what's going on. That's why I'm here to tell you exactly what to fucking do.

>meditate for 10 fucking minutes daily (still mind)
>zero fucking carbs ever again
>exercise fucking regularly (resistance and cardio)
>start fucking cold resistance training (finish showers cold for as long as you can stand)
>zero fucking porn ever again
>fix your fucking sleep pattern

If you manage to do this successfully you WILL increase your health, quality of life, and sexual market value substantially.

>limit ejaculating to 1-4 times per month (preferably in the prescence of a woman, attempting to replace with non-ejaculatory orgasms)

If you do this you're winning at life.

Zero Carb Carnivore + Wim Hof Method + Nofap = Fast Efficient Success

Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 04:23:53 2018 No.10513487

Dem bitches can smell your weak ass hormones, fool! If your shit's all retarded you get cucked, friendzoned or ignored completely.

Put simply, carnivores FUCK.

Today's lesson is over. If I don't see zero carb threads and posters next week I won't be very impressed. Get with the program, fools. We're trying to liberate the planet from military-industrial-pharmaceutical-agricultural tyranny here. This isn't a fucking cakewalk, cakebois.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:42:56 2018 No.10513628

Down ~95 lbs from Keto. Biggest mistake I see people doing (and I've done) is not actually counting calories. Keto supresses your appetite by preventing those crazy insulin spikes you get from the standard American diet but it still works the same in every diet and thermodynamics in general that you need to burn more calories than you take in. A lot of people just shovel fatty foods into their face but a lot of it is calorie dense.

Drink your water, take your time eating, eat low carb veggies, weigh your food and use the plethora of free calorie tracking apps available. Also keto + intermittent fasting is the fucking tits

>>	Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 06:20:16 2018 No.10513672 File: 49 KB, 634x461, zerocarbqt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10513628 >calories lmaoing at your life I'll bet you weigh yourself too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 06:21:25 2018 No.10513674 >>10512210 Go to bed Sean

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 06:23:09 2018 No.10513679 I suffered serious hair loss with Keto after 6 months.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 07:33:41 2018 No.10513763 >>10513469 The way youre rambling on I don't think the bipolars cleared up yet mate

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 07:38:51 2018 No.10513775
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>>10512210
You lose weight by eating less. If keto makes it easier to eat less, then go for it.

One thing I would like to point out is a few months ago I was a on a cut eating about 1600 cal a day. I was not eating startch/grains/potatoes, but I was eating enough onoins and tomatos to get my daily net carbs from 50 - 120 g and I was deep in ketosis.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 07:57:50 2018 No.10513814

>>10513417
Isn't that a bit too negatively intense? We're most likely omni-vores dude. At least our organs say so.

Very low carb diet with ntrients from lowcarb veggies and energy from meat n' fat, sounds much more reasonable.

I like your idea don't get me wrong. But unless you wanna live on supplements we need some essential nutrients that are found abundantly in veggies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:00:49 2018 No.10513819 >>10513417 Despite my initial comment, I agree on carbage carnage, few blue berries or low carb bread or low carb fruit turns into a fucking fuckfest (at least in quantity, e.g. lots of medium-carb stuff that causes high-carb intake effects)

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:07:07 2018 No.10513832

>>10513469
WIL avid fan huh? God bless evidence-based research!

Regarding zero-carb, just be on the lookout and check research for and against.

>>10513763
He's just excited about sharing this dummy. Have some perspective. I'd when I lost 20lbs on keto and got ripped with simple exercise. I wouldn't now after that it's been a while that happened and it's no longer a very grand achievement. The grand achievement is minimizing the time I'm out of ketosis and stopping a handful of medium-high carb food getting me back into my old habits when I eat them on small occasions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:16:50 2018 No.10513856 >>10513775 Interesting concept. But Jesus! How many kilos of onions and tomatoes did you consume per day? If I was eating like that I'd make sure they're authentically organic and wash them with vinegar.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:31:54 2018 No.10513873

>>10513469
Share your info-dense sources. Doesn't have to have EVERYTHING. Just your goto resources you visit for inspiration and motivation, new ideas, and basic principles when you want to grt something into this. Without the fluff.

E.g. for me (keto) I'd say my goto resources are:
- Low Carb Down Under (YT, concentrated conferences and lectures)
- High Intensity Health (YT, concentrated interviews)
- What I Have Learned (YT)
- That Sugar Film (movie)
Those cover keto, inflammation, effects of sugar, gut biome, intermittent fasting, hidden carbs, brain health relation with sugar consumption, etc..

I "sometimes" check out these:
- Dr. Eric Berg (YT)
- Thomas Delauer (YT)
- Minimalist Keto (YT)

Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 08:51:13 2018 No.10513906

>>10513814
>most likely omnivores
Fuck off with your beta bitchboi indecisiveness. Unlike you I speak with confidence. Humans are indisputably apex predator carnivores. Man-made selectively bred edible plants are inarguably bioweapons. They are sprayed with other bioweapons, and are killing you. These are facts. The objective truth is slapping at your cheek like an erect phallus. Just suck it and move on. Do your own research. I finished mine and my life is now the evidence.

>>10513832
I've seen no research against zero carb living that doesn't support a conspiratorial for-profit depopulation agenda.

I've decided to write in this abrasive tone primarily to amuse myself, but secondarily to appeal to 4chan demographics. Is it not hilarious having a perturbed carnivore shitfuck your brainwashed belief systems back to the stone age? I think it is, and because I'm a carnivore I don't really give a fuck if you disagree. If anything it's goading countershills into weaker arguments. You can't refute nature. Find me a non politically funded study that proves carbohydrates are an essential macronutrient. I don't need proof or logic nigga, I'm an animal. I'm free to abuse fallacious logic whenever I want, and I do it with style, making my puny opponents look like foolish, timid herbivores.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:06:35 2018 No.10513940

>>10513906
While your idea sounds fancy, your communication of it is shit-tier. Jesus fuck dude you're making us feel like you're a fucking alien predator from Aliens v.s. predators with the way you're talking. There's a difference between actual dominance and reasonable confidence v.s. military-style verbal flamethrowing.

Regardless of your shit attitude, the core principle got me interested and you conveyed your idea well. Just get share your shit with us like >>10513873

Also I agree with the second part directed at me as well. But you fail to comprehend that I'm against high carb shit too. I was talking about low-carb veggies dude that only contains complex carbs and are hella fiborous. We need those for some essential nutrients don't ya think? Otherwise where would you get magnesium, potassium, and some other nutrients that are primarily found in veggies (esp low carb ones)

Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 09:28:15 2018 No.10514000

>>10513873
Meatheals
Zerocarbzen
Zerocarbhealth
Mikhaila Peterson
justmeat.co
Shawn Baker

There's a lot of good keto science out there which is fully compatible with ZC. It's harm reduction vs abstinence. Moderation never worked for me because I was literally incapable of it, addled by inflammation and oxidative stress. I was fully educated on keto for months and failing to commit to the diet due to extreme addiction patterns and continued relapsing. How is a fat soyboy supposed to maintain a ketogenic diet while mentally ill and trying to hold a job working in a fucking BAKERY? I'm only just beginning to learn impulse control in my twenties thanks to carbohydrate removal. I've done insane juice fasts, vegan cleanses, intermittent fasting, and I would always just end up binging carbs again. The vegan cleanse and "spiritual awakening" landed me in a mental hospital for 55 days. I was a mess. Formerly a NEET, I'm currently enrolled in college and gainfully employed. Gotta be able to afford daily steaks or it's straight back to the loony bin. Trying to handle so many advanced redpills with an addled mind leads to bipolarity and psychosis in many cases. The new age community tries to undermine truthseekers with plant based dieting and pacifist culture in order to neutralize status-quo dissenters.

Some people can get away with half-assing their shit. Not me. All or nothing baby.

Fasting from carbs is one of the healthiest things you can possibly do, which is why herbivores and garbovores feel so good during their fasts. Short breaks from carb-induced inflammation and oxidative stress pale in comparison to total removal. Take all the great feelings of inflammation reduction and autophagy and subtract the hunger and cravings. There you have zero carb living. It's like a permanent fast where you only eat delicious, nutritious meat. Animals are like nutrient concentrators. They eat the plants and collect the phytonutrients so you don't have to.

>>	Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 09:37:57 2018 No.10514016 Fiber is a conspiracy lol Scurvy is caused by eating carbage Many of the vitamins people are brainwashed to believe they need are either not required at all, or only required in a carb diet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:39:01 2018 No.10514020 How do you get your vitamins if you eat neither vegetables nor fruit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:42:24 2018 No.10514034 Don't be surprised when this fad diet gives you a heart attack.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:50:16 2018 No.10514055

>>10514000
Wow intrresting. I started out like you. Experimented with veganism too. My motive wasn't emotional and subjective, I chased scientific evidence and used my logic and spent hours investigating what's more logical when research is conflicted. That's why I accepted criticism from myself when finding new research and from others. I kept moving my ass around when I knew what I was doing was wrong or not enough. I'm on keto+intermittent fasting for more than a year now. Actually liking ZC carnivore and might move to that if research checks out. Huge thanks for your resources and sharing your experience, given that it's private matters.

>it's like permanent fast
Jesus fuck dude. I'm doing 18-20 feeding hours on weekdays. I enjoy my day the most during those hours with utmost clarity, unless my feeding hours contains only meats and fats and eggs. This sounds awesome.

My mistake is eating "Low carb" barn bread and other low-medium carb shit on an almost daily basis with the meats and fats. I don't exceed 25-50 unless occasionally but it is indeed a slippery slope and it's hard to half-ass keto with simple carbs like that.

If I'm going with ZC, I'd probably do carb-up days every month or two just so my body doesn't lose its ability to metabolise glucose lol (don't want to become insulin resistance from lack of sugar metabolism) that'd be bad news if you were on IR serum in a hospital since you can't order a "ZC serum" lol

>>10514034
Enjoy your carb brainwashing, initiated by Ancel Keys and progressively sponsored by big food companies.
>300g stores of carbs
>unlimited stores of fat
>we need carbs! I need a hit!
Also see
>>10512651

>>10514020
This is my only concern, >>10514000

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:52:45 2018 No.10514062 File: 75 KB, 800x690, broke-guy-empty-wallet-closeup-portrait-stressed-upset-sad-unhappy-young-man-standing-looking-isolated-against-white-36508502[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10512210 >eating salmon everyday

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:53:16 2018 No.10514063 I do Paleo. It's similar but less limiting as the goal isn't ketosis, but just less processed shit. >>10514062 Amen to that. Also avocados are fucking expensive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:01:35 2018 No.10514091 >>10514055 You do need carbs. It's human biology 101. Your body runs off of sugars.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:04:11 2018 No.10514099 File: 88 KB, 500x375, it's time.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10514091

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:10:01 2018 No.10514115 >>10514062 It pays off though dude. Literally. More focus, clarity, tendency for critical thinking, and better decisions. Doesn't have to be just salmon. Ordered by cost: Salmon, lamb, beef, pork, chicken, eggs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:11:10 2018 No.10514117 >>10513417 >>10513469 Get the fuck out you rambling dumb fuck and bring your faggot themed account with you. Nobody cares about your autistic "zero carb" shitposts. Unironically kill yourself.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:12:59 2018 No.10514121

>>10514099
If you want to feel like crap all the time with low energy, eat high fat. Even worse - eat low fat - high protein. If you want fast and efficient energy eat carbs. The best diet for health and energy is low fat, high carbs, moderate protein.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:16:01 2018 No.10514135 >>10514063 49 cent at aldi this week

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:17:05 2018 No.10514136

>>10512210
>Does keto really work?
For what? I mostly see it touted as a great diet for losing weight, and it is. I used it for cutting and got really good results on a mostly pescetarian diet? I wouldn't use it as my daily diet, however, and definitely would not use it when trying to build muscle mass because it would be expensive (unless you want to eat cheap costco salmon and lentils all day which would grow tedious) and probably would not be good for your kidneys as they get worn out if you eat too much protein.

A lot of the self-styled nutritionists who say keto is a healthy diet like to taut Gary Taubles' book and his analysis of the China study as evidence that Keto is some sort of optimal diet, but I don't like to rely on just one study, and the chinese people in the study probably weren't eating red meat and bacon all day like some American Keto adherents. You don't know what you don't know and thinking you can just design an optimal diet with the information we have now seems a bit too ambitious. I guess in the end the keto people will be the ones who show us whether lifelong keto is good for longevity as they keep following the diet for several decades, but I'll stick to a diet with low sugar but healthier carbs like brown rice and wheat until we have more info.

But that's just my two cents.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:17:34 2018 No.10514137

>>10514062

Also salmon is not recommended for daily use, about 300g a week is max. It has many heavy metals and toxins.

Now there is a new recommendation in norway that says that women who want to get pregnant in the future should be careful with salmon intake because of the toxins. It accumulates in the body.

Nasty shit but the industry is big.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:19:14 2018 No.10514141

>>10514117
Not him, but you bring nothing to the table. He triggered you that much huh? His attitude is overdone but he has a point.

>>10514121
>>fast
That's where you fucked up.
We live in an age we need everything ready for us instantly right infront of our eyes.

Wanna feel good? 1 minute away from Porn, 1 minute away from a carb snack, 15 minutes away from a carb meal.

Truly free people are free from two things in life: validation and food.

Not caring what others think (when it's some social shit or insecurity related) and not having to snack and eat every 90 minutes when insulin-carb spike is over are the BEST kind of freedoms ever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:26:43 2018 No.10514155 >>10514137 I probably wouldn't eat salmon every day but farmed salmon is pretty low in mercury compared to wild salmon.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:27:08 2018 No.10514157

>>10514136
Well appreciated and quite reasonable.

Just one thing doesn't the Chinese Study by Campbell root for veganism? It's the reason why I got into veganism back then until I decided to look at research for and against what I stand for. Apparently association =/= causality. Reason why I left veganism, it also doesn't bode well with how we evolved over the years as species.

Or maybe you were talking about some group that unionically used the Chinese Study as basis for keto diet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:38:16 2018 No.10514171 >>10514141 >comparing biology to modern society It's more about efficiency. Your body is very efficient at using carbs for energy, it is optimal. Your insulin spikes for a reason, because your body just got fuel! Use it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:38:18 2018 No.10514172 >>10512942 How exactly do you get diabetes on a diet that raises your insulin sensitivity to pre-agricultural levels, and liver failure when you're burning fat so fast your liver can't build any up?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:40:41 2018 No.10514177 >>10513679 It can really raise your testosterone, and makes tryptophan a little hard to come by. Doing about 50g of carbs right before sleep (or starting your fast on IF) tends to mitigate hair loss.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:40:49 2018 No.10514178 >>10514157 there are a lot of things wrong with Campbells study. Can just google "china study debunked" to read more on it. It's a typical case of just cherry picking data that suits you and throwing out anything that hurts your case.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:41:05 2018 No.10514179 >>10514172 Too much fat in the blood stream basically causes your insulin to not work so well anymore. This is why fat people have diabetes. Shit diet and too much body fat (fat cells literally overflowing and seeping fat into your blood stream).

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:43:46 2018 No.10514189 >>10514177 50g max*

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:45:03 2018 No.10514192 File: 48 KB, 480x360, sv3rige.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10512510 >still believing the vegetable meme literally indigestible man-made crap with zero to negative nutrition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:45:09 2018 No.10514193 >>10513679 This is common. Such a healthy diet right guys!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:45:24 2018 No.10514194 >>10514179 Yeah no. Too much glucose in your bloodstream causes high insulin resistance. Show me a fat keto practitioner (at least one who didn't start really fat and became less fat).

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:46:10 2018 No.10514195

>>10512210
Yes it does, if you do it right an can keep it up. I still try to do keto, but I cheat too much. It's usually because time related things, I don't always have time to prepare something fully keto, and also I just really don't want to give up fruit. I'm fine with it. Even half-assing it gives me less cravings than just eating less alone, and that's all that matters to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:47:15 2018 No.10514197 >>10514194 Well if your body fat is low enough you can eat pretty much anything without problems.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:56:41 2018 No.10514213

>>10514197
Fat you directly consume doesn't spend a lot of time in your bloodstream anyway. It gets processed into ketones if you're in ketosis, and you either burn it off or sweat it out. If your metabolism is well-adapted and it's all getting burned, you can't help but fidget it off even if you're not running marathons. It's carbs that insulin hits and gets converted to body fat. Too many carbs, too much glucose, you stop responding to natural amounts of insulin, you get diabetes. That's why they tell diabetics to lay off the little debbies.

You'd be hard-pressed to get too much fat on a keto diet unless you're a slug that sits in front of the TV 24/7, and it'd be pretty uncomfortable to stay that sedentary in ketosis.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:17:23 2018 No.10514258

>>10513679
>>10514193
>mindlessly parroting everything as long as it seems to support their false beliefs.
"Temporary hair loss can occur for many different reasons, including any big dietary change. This is especially common when severely restricting calories (e.g. starvation diets, meal replacements) but it can also occasionally happen on low-carb diets.

If so, it usually starts 3-6 months after starting a new diet, at which point you’ll notice an increasing amount of hairs falling out when brushing your hair.

The good news is that even if you should be so unfortunate this is only a temporary phenomenon. And only a percentage of the hair will fall out (the thinning will rarely be very noticeable to others).

After a few months all the hair follicles will start to grow new hair, and when they have regrown your hair will be as thick as before again. Of course, if you have long hair this could take a year or even more."

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:20:23 2018 No.10514263 >>10514213 The best diet to cure diabetes is actually moderate carbs, high fiber. Whole food plant based diet kicks diabetes ass. It also helps you lose a lot of weight (which again will cure diabetes).

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:24:09 2018 No.10514271 >>10514263 Yes, because you are starving yourself with negative or zero nutrition food (vegetables) and thus accelerate autophagy. This is the only reason anyone is able to last on a vegan diet, cannibalization of own tissues.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:25:01 2018 No.10514272 >>10512572 At least you can reach her pussy now

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:29:04 2018 No.10514284 >>10514155 ????

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:32:09 2018 No.10514291 >>10512210 No diet works. It's only a temporary thing. Make lifestyle changes.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:32:35 2018 No.10514292

>>10514179
>Fat overflowing and seeping
Jesus fucking christ dude.

Just. For fuck's sake look up a medical lecture on carb and fat metabolism. You can check "Nerdy Ninja Science" on YT.

Look. Fat is encapsulated in proteins and is then called lipids. If not metabolized, it gets stored or discarded.

Inflammation (especially carb-based) causes plaque and incisions in your endothelial structure (walls of arteries) your body then rushes to the fire and sends out the firemen (lipids i.e. fats) to mitigate the situation.

NOW. If you're getting pro-inflammatory substances (e.g. sugar) every 90 fucking minutes every day. You'll get lots of fat build up.

FINALLY. The million dollar question: who's to blame? The fire (incisions caused by inflammation) or the firemen (fats/lipids)?

Inflammation is to blame, unironically.

How do you treat this?
A. Be a fucking pleb like clinical medicine and cure the symptoms(inflammation) only for them to come back.
B. Harness the power of functional medicine, and recognize pro-inflammatory triggers and their blood markers. And fucking stop those triggers. (stop throwing done glucose and fructose down your piehole)

Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 11:43:39 2018 No.10514316

Sorry everyone, it's just that I've never felt testosterone before at a normal level prior to eliminating carbs. Constant insulin production mitigating glucose metabolism inhibits testosterone way worse than phytoestrogens.

Animals bioaccumulate plant nutrients. You get an ultra-concentrated vitamin shipment in a super-efficiently digestible package with super high bioavailability. Plant vitamins have extremely low bioavailability in humans. That's why we have cows. Cows can convert the same cellulose material that we can't digest into delicious protein. Humans literally turn this indigestible plant matter into huge logs of shit which leach moisture and nutrients out od you and ruin your colon. It's simply not feasible for humans to have evolved grazing like cattle or sheep. Our machinery is literally not equipped to process these foods. Cooking makes vegetables edible and raised the bioavailability of nutrients above zero, but only in the presence of fat.

I got muted for advertising while there are at least a half dozen franchise-specific fast food threads active. Whatever. I'll stop posting links and make quality, informative posts instead.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:43:44 2018 No.10514317

>>10514263
Which type diabetes we talking, and are we talking moderate net carbs or mostly vegetable fiber?

Not totally disagreeing at all, but going super low-carb combined with intermittent fasting keeps your insulin really low most of the day, only spiking moderately after meals. If your body's not creating a lot of glucose through muscle atrophy, and you're burning ketones for energy, seems like that'd keeps somebody at a healthy baseline, diabetic or not, then after an adaptation period as long as your pancreas isn't dead you should be able to handle moderate amounts of sugar and starch like a healthy person.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:51:54 2018 No.10514335

>>10513775
Thing about just eating low calorie but still carb-based is it's way harder to keep your energy level up. If you're just burning glucose and eating less of things that turn into glucose, you can sugar crash, or your body will just start turning protein into sugar and most of the weight you drop will be muscle. That was definitely my experience. On keto I just can't stop moving most of the day as long as I'm doing everything right, a high-intensity workout after a two-three-day fast is about as easy as one after 16 hours in the morning, long as my electrolytes are straight.

Friendly Neighborhood Carnivor(...) Fri Apr 27 11:52:24 2018 No.10514337

No supplements, no added fats, no protein powders, no fractionated NXT oils, no exogenous ketones, just meat, eggs and water. None of this modern cancerous shit works properly. Fake news, fake food, fake money. It's all crumbling and nobody can stop it. It's literally the simplest way of eating possible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:56:29 2018 No.10514342 File: 16 KB, 480x360, sv3rigeflatearth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10514337 Did you quit cooking yet boyo?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:56:41 2018 No.10514344 >>10514271 Eating lots of fruit and beans, grains etc. You don't really need to eat a lot of vegetables.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:59:43 2018 No.10514353

>>10513332
Not exactly, but she was a smoker from the age of 14 to ~57

She failed to quit about 15 times, even after being hospitalized with a an anti-bacterial resistant infection which resulted in the outer lining of her lungs having to be surgically removed. She started smoking again about a year after that.

I got her to switch to e-cigs, which was amazing because she was then focused on quitting e-cigs and not normal cigs.

She then went keto and quit e-cigs about 2 years after that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:02:20 2018 No.10514362 >>10514344 >beans >grains Literally the two worst things you can put in your body. Fruit is ok but only seasonally in very small quantities and sourced locally. No man-made crap like "apples".

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:07:11 2018 No.10514376

>>10514342
I doubt he did or would every do that.

Cooking is one of the best lifestyle choices that positively affected our evolution exponentially.

Agriculture helped with feeding lots of mouths and helped people settle. But being man-made it was prone to what the man wanted to plant. With carbs giving off neurotransmitters pushing you to consume them making ya feel good, and giving the fact that gut microbiome is found linked to our brain; you begin to see why agriculture is bad.

>>10514316
No worries man. Your concept seems interestingly valid to me the more I look into it, regardless of how you communicated it.

>>10514337
This. I fucked up in the last while buying supplements magnesium and potassium instead of veggies. Those high quality supplements are fucking expensive. I needed this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:12:26 2018 No.10514389 >>10514376 >cooking >beneficial >what is AGEs Literally no point in cooking something unless it's very old or of exceedingly low quality. Inb4 you try to rebutt this with Wrangham

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:14:50 2018 No.10514402

>>10514353
Doing ecigs too it's nice but I'm going to quit it eventually.

Right on I hope she lives healthy long enough to be a wise tutor for your offspring.

Any tips? How long did it take her to stick to this new lifestyle? How many tries? And how long has she been like this?

My mom has type2 diabetes. Since I'm low carb I'm helping her and got her to quit sweets and lots of bad stuff but she's still between 25-100g carbs per day.. Sometimes more. She's always annoyed that she can't eat them sugary poisons. And blames me that being forced to quit is different than quitting willingly.

I just want her below 50g per day at least... I mean ffs healthy human blood has 5g of glucose flowing! Being diabetic means having tougher times responding to insulin. Even 50g is 10 times amount of glucose in her blood...

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:22:21 2018 No.10514433

>>10514389
What? You're happy eating pathogens? Cooking meats sterlize them and makes them easier to digest and more palatable.

Considering it's a healthy meat source is organic or hunted, you don't know if the butcher or farmer/hunter got the meat infected with god knows what pathogens lurking around the meat.

The concept is new to me though, I'll investigate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3704564/

Nevertheless, AFAIK there's a minimum temperature (67c I think) that has to be achieved for like 30 minutes or so. You can look it up. Otherwise, the meat could be harmful to consume.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:24:41 2018 No.10514438

Cookbook salespeople. They generally do their push at the end of each vlog, but mostly talk about their own experiences and filter down what the doctors say.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC03j2jcKwm0wTJpDsu-9u4g
https://www.youtube.com/user/healthfulpursuit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:26:01 2018 No.10514446 >>10514433 All wrong.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:29:22 2018 No.10514458
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>>10512210
It keeps my diabeetus at bay. I haven't lost much weight after the first couple of months, though. But it's the only diet I've ever lost any weight on, period, so it's got that going for it.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:38:30 2018 No.10514486

>>10514446
You are just sprouting out conclusions without walking us through the thought process or at least providing informative and scientific sources that might do so.

You're not even offering solutions
>don't cook at all
Yet you are just giving conclusions
>cooking with acids/alkaloids
Not enough to kill pathogens

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:39:51 2018 No.10514492 >>10514458 Do you still take medicine? How's your fasting blood glucose? How's your blood glucose 2 hours after a meal?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:42:32 2018 No.10514499 >>10513436 Lowest sugar fruit? Damn, they're so sweet and delicious, I need more raspberries, if they weren't so expensive

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:43:14 2018 No.10514502 >>10514438 Pretty neat. And thanks for the marketing trick heads up. Check out my list: >>10513873 And the ZC fella's: >>10514000

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:44:14 2018 No.10514506

>>10514486
The more you cook, the more AGEs are created, this is what ages and destroys tissues. This is also why for example cooked vegan is better than cooked paleo as cooked plant matter generates less AGEs than cooked meat. The more something is cooked the more AGEs are produced.

And I am saying not to cook it at all. Pathogens are not an issue unless you already have a severely weakened immune system or intentionally purchase only the shadiest, shittiest low quality foods you can find. Raw meat contains literally everything the body could possibly need.

I am not going to bother linking you to a bunch of sources as there has already been plenty of research done on raw meat diets as well as several people that have experimented on themselves, this should not be hard to find with even a quick google search.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:45:08 2018 No.10514510 >>10514499 Just buy organic in bulk and freeze. Look up how long ot can last and how cold it should be for them to last.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:53:49 2018 No.10514539

>>10514506
My immune system is a-okay thankfully but it's too much of a risk for me, unless evident-based science backs it. Which is what I'm currently investigating this. It's fine you don't have to link anything, you provided enough keywords to go with and stated there's an abundance of research on this.

Appreciate you coming through and not being a brainlet sprouting conclusions without anything else to go with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:21:11 2018 No.10514807 >>10512607 >including sugars from fruit Opinion discarded

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:24:54 2018 No.10514825

>>10512510
From what I've read is loads of people on keto and write up keto recipes/articles/blogs are American and sugar is added to lots of it in stores so you're advised against it.

I lost 50lbs on Keto and picked up some good habits/recipes all while eating tonnes of greens and some amount of carrots/beans/fruits (all supposedly big no-nos)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:37:13 2018 No.10514856 >>10514807 If you are getting too much sugar from fruit your body won't go into ketosis thus negating the entire point of the diet. Think before you post.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:20:33 2018 No.10514969 File: 48 KB, 302x550, raspberries.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10514499 Notably low-sugar, high-fiber, and great for vitamin C and manganese. It's a pretty good fruit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:29:10 2018 No.10514995 >>10512627 >>You WILL gain your weight back when you start eating normal again. No, you won't if you still keep an eye on what you're eating. Worked for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:31:44 2018 No.10515008 >>10513775 Seriously who the fuck is this kid

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:55:08 2018 No.10515087 >>10512510 I have veggies at every meal. You just have to stick to leafy greens, green beans, peppers, cauliflower, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, and squash. There's plenty to chose from.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:21:57 2018 No.10515186 i just tried it for 2 days and wanted to kill myself

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:40:36 2018 No.10515276

>>10515186
My husband has been having the keto flu literally from day 1, he was/is so addicted to sugar. I only had one bad day. If you can get over the hump you feel really good, but it probably shouldn't be done if you can't afford good veggies, avos, good cheese, etc. I've been paying a little more in groceries but nothing in alcohol, so the budget balances out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:18:13 2018 No.10515693 >>10513856 probably about 1 onoin about 300 grams and maybe 300 grams of tomato

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:20:24 2018 No.10515706 Keto doesn't have to be expensive. Meat and cheese adds up quickly but they shouldn't be your only staple. >nuts & peanut butter >100% cocoa chocolate >/deenz/ >fresh milk Don't forget to eat your salad either.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:21:28 2018 No.10515712

I'm on day 5 now. I was feeling shit this morning, but I think that was all due to taking trazadone and it had a bad reaction with my other meds. I felt like my skin was baking. Then it went away and I felt like shit. Then I found my e-cigarette and felt better. Quitting smoking is going to be a lot harder than quitting sugar and alcohol.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:09:37 2018 No.10515926

Been on it for 2 weeks now. In Keto mode. Made a beef fajita bowl with dark lettuce I grew as the bowl along with peppers and onions.

Last week been craving pizza, but now I can look at the food I normally crave for and go "Eh".

Takes a little will power, but it's worth it. Lost a few pounds. Even took up some jogging.

One thing about Keto I noticed: Makes you have a normal sleep pattern. Can't stay awake past 10:30, wake up at 6:30. Anyone else had their sleep pattern changed on Keto?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:11:20 2018 No.10515934 Exercise is really the only thing that makes me feel good, otherwise I will just drink, and chain smoke.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:12:19 2018 No.10515937 File: 83 KB, 1105x844, eheh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10515926 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:38:55 2018 No.10516094

>>10514492
No, after about five months on keto my tests (wakeup, a little while after eating, two hours after eating) were all coming back under 140 so I stopped taking medications at all. Never needed insulin. Type 2, obviously.

Even at that point, I was experiencing "dawn syndrome" or whatever they call it at first, where my wakeup glucose was in the 110 range, but after a few months more even that stopped. When I went back to the endocrinologist to get checked, my A1C was 5.7, so completely normal. Now I'm typically under 100 any time, unless I do something stupid like decide to eat a leftover rice-filled burrito that I found in my freezer a year after buying it, because hey my A1C is normal I must be fine again, amirite? That blew my blood glucose up to 300. Obviously I still have fairly high insulin resistance, although much better than it used to be. Anyway, no more fucking frozen burritos for me.

As long as I stay reasonably keto, I'm fine. I can even have moderate amounts of carbs and still stay under 140.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:44:24 2018 No.10516115

>>10514389
>AGEs
>>10514506
>more AGEs are created
What the fuck are AGEs, some new acronym you made up just to try to LARP about de eebil foodjews? Literally never heard of this acronym before. Googling is obviously useless because it's also a word, the plural of age, as in time since something came into existence.

>AGES Air-Ground Engagement System

Tactical air strikes, motherfucker?

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:44:40 2018 No.10516117

>>10512210
>not supported by doctors for long-term health
>subject to disinformation due to the huge array of bloggers, "nutritionists," and bandwagon idiots
>hugely restrictive
>most people apply the diet's principles incorrectly

If you don't have the self-control to stay away from added sugar and overly processed carbs, you may find some benefit. But the long-term effect hasn't been studied, nor is there any evidence to suggest it's better than traditional diets. Anybody that tells you otherwise drank the kool-aid and is full of shit.

TL:DR; avoid the meme. Eat a wide variety of foods, limit your calories until you start losing weight, and exercise more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:50:56 2018 No.10516141 >>10516117 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ 1 second of Google. Can you be any more lazy?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:56:04 2018 No.10516157 >>10516141 >24-week study >"long term" Holy fuck, you memers are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:12:59 2018 No.10517546 >>10514856 This is only an issue if youre sedentary Retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:18:22 2018 No.10517566 >>10512623 >have bad eating habits >go on diet and lose X amount of pounds >go back to eating shitty >gain weight Hurr durr I told ya that diet was shit!

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:24:31 2018 No.10517592

>>10516117
keto isn't a long-term dietary strategy, but it's not unsupported "by doctors" either.
>bad information exists, therefore you shouldn't do things
uhh okay
>hugely restrictive
yes losing weight is hard
>most people
most people do every single thing possible wrong or badly. meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:28:25 2018 No.10517613 How do you eat not boring foods on Keto? Is there any cuisine that fits keto or is it just meat with a side of veggies forever?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:28:57 2018 No.10517617 >>10517613 you dont really get to eat very many veggies on keto.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:30:03 2018 No.10517621 >>10517617 Yeah you do, just nothing starchy. Most green veggies are fine.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:38:37 2018 No.10517657

>>10515926
Yes. I can't stay up past 10:30 or 11:00 unless I'm really pushing it with high brightness and no blue light filter on my screen.

I wake up early and go jogging while in fasted state. I generally eat one or two meals after 4-5PM

And in the morning I have some lemon and half teaspoon of salt and ginger. Mint and vinegar could be added too.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:40:15 2018 No.10517662

>>10515926
One thing I forgot to mention, when I'm out of ketosis (rare cheat, birthday that I overindulged in, etc...) I have a hard time first 1-3 days woth cravings then it's gone l and I'm like "eh I know why I want to eat this, certainly not because of hunger"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:41:50 2018 No.10517670 >>10515937 Bretty gud! That's what I'm talking about people need to share info and back it with knowledgeable people.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:47:45 2018 No.10517690

>>10516094
That's really awesome, good job anon! Saved yourself from going into type1.

Down Syndrome? Maybe because blood sugar concentration was so high it's affecting your mental clarity.

Anyways, define moderate carbs please, that doesn't affect your blood sugar to go over 100 for prolonged period of time. Mother has it and I want to get her on keto (she eats little somewhat well but still eats rice and bread and shit, biscuits sometimes and dessert occasionally...)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:49:30 2018 No.10517697 >>10516115 He barely explains or backs up the claims, only in his third post maybe. Anyways see the research article I linked here. >>10514433

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:52:04 2018 No.10517703 >>10517566 Exactly. This is a lifestyle and people think it's a magic bullet you can use once in your life for sometime and that's it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:55:18 2018 No.10517715

>>10517613
You unironically have to cook yourself sometimes.

You can buy burger without buns but we all know they were friend in shit oils, unlike the godsent coconut oil for example.

So you really need to start cooking, not that hard but it needs experimentation and practice. Reading up on basic cooking skills and starting with simple yet complete dishes isn't a bad start.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 03:23:22 2018 No.10517817 >>10515926 Did the exact opposite for me actually. Slight insomnia and I only need like 4-5 hours of sleep. Melatonin helps a little bit, but I don't take it every night.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 11:17:50 2018 No.10518874 >>10517703 The Keto lifestyle? What a miserable life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 14:05:48 2018 No.10519474 >>10518874 That's it? I'm disappointed.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 15:45:50 2018 No.10519815

Day six folks. I'm peeing trace ketones and my husband is peeing heavy amounts of them. He is coming out of the keto flu. I made it a bit more bearable by cooking a keto cheesecake with keto lemon curd topping. Tonight I will make a goat cheese salad with almond slivers and lamb ribs. I'll start a 10 lb pork shoulder tomorrow and make a golden carolina mustard based bbq sauce. I've been spending a lot on groceries, but I don't want to just be eating hamburgers and avocados the entire 6 months of this diet. I am thinking that we will stick to this or paleo when we've lost the weight though. It's been keeping us from drinking, so that's huge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 15:49:37 2018 No.10519835 >>10512210 Only good (really good) for fat fucks. If you're skinny it's not the optional diet and you should be eating complex carbs, just stay away from sugar.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 15:58:31 2018 No.10519870

>>10519835
I chose keto, because my husband is retarded with food. He won't count calories, he won't learn what is and isn't good for you. He doesn't understand macros or nutrition. He will still have at least one large drink even if he's supposedly cutting back. Keto has made him too full and disgusted with food for him to over indulge, and he won't drink out of fear that he will worsen the keto flu/bring it back. It's so restrictive that it's hard to mess up. Plus I have always tried to stay low carb in general, because it works for me. He's losing 60 so that he's 5'10" and 175 after gaining some muscle and I'll be 5'4" and 120 lbs hopefully with a little muscle gain too. I'm considering going down to 115, because keto makes you lose a good 5 pounds of water weight that you would gain back on a regular diet, so I should maybe account for that in my weight loss. I'm not trying to lose weight in this first week though. It's just an adjustment week. I do hope I lose 2 pounds per week after this.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 16:15:14 2018 No.10519941

>>10519870
You're making it sound like it's fucking horrible, when in reality >>10519815 sounds really good to me. Just wait until you cheat and it makes you feel like shit. After about a month your taste buds reset and anything sugary tastes sickening. Low carb vegetables will start to taste amazing. Sugar, processed crap, and high-carb side dishes are garbage food. Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 16:22:07 2018 No.10519977 Eat a high starch very low fat and fructose diet and quit poisoning yourselves with ketosis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 16:25:00 2018 No.10519988 Keto is veganism for right wing retards

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 16:27:20 2018 No.10520001 >>10519988 You don't have to eat like a carnivore to do keto. There are vegetable and fruit fat sources, you know.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 16:34:11 2018 No.10520036

>>10519941
Thank you. I have done it before and it suits me fine. I adjust to it really easily. This is the first time I felt like shit and it was just a day and not that bad. I think mostly I was going into cigarette withdrawals. I love vegetables, so I've been making them with every meal or making them the meal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 16:38:42 2018 No.10520055 >>10514499 berries are by far the healthiest fruit too. Chalk full of antioxidants. I believe cranberries/blueberries are considered the "healthiest" but all berries are great.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 16:45:29 2018 No.10520081
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>>10517613
it's comparable to veganism. You basically have to make a bunch of knock off dishes. Coli-flower is a great substitute for a lot of things. There is a lot of cheese on keto diets too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 17:21:32 2018 No.10520209 >>10520036 Give me some vegetable ideas?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 17:41:01 2018 No.10520279 >>10513469 yes,yes...are you having any kind of fun whist doing this nazi-regime thing, though

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:04:41 2018 No.10520390

>>10512210
it works if you're trying to lose weight because it's a lot harder to overeat fat and protein than if you were cutting calories on a high carb diet that so many dietitians recommend. It's honestly sustainable long term as long as you have carb up days

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:07:21 2018 No.10520403 File: 178 KB, 600x794, bd22433384ae4e6ab95e8a33c868d17d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10512210 Isn't this what was called the Atkins diet a few years ago?

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:13:04 2018 No.10520427

>>10514402

roughly 45 years of smoking with 14 failed attempts to quit (gum, patches, pills, etc) she tried pretty much everything

I then surprised her with an Ecig and some tobacco flavoured jucie. She really liked it and then became highly addicted to the ecig and not smokes. She started vaping even more than she smoked so then quitting that became the focus. Really that was a huge improvement anyway, nicotine is bad, but smokes have thousands of other chemicals in the many which are known carcinogens and are also radioactive. I would have been satisfied if she stayed like that.

But then she quit ecigs and went keto after about 2 years. She has been this way for about 3 now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:15:05 2018 No.10520430 >>10514446 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis this is just one of many examples of what can happen if you eat raw meats. Some are ok, like fresh steak and most fish. Pork is probably one of the most dangerous to eat raw or undercooked

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:17:54 2018 No.10520440

>>10520430
Trichinosis is incredibly rare. Like 1 case a year in the whole developed world rare.

You're more likely to be struck by lighting, by far. Why do people worry about silly shit like this? You take a bigger risk every time you touch a light switch or electric appliance.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:36:10 2018 No.10520518

>>10520390
>it works if you're trying to lose weight because it's a lot harder to overeat fat and protein than if you were cutting calories on a high carb diet that so many dietitians recommend.
Fat is double the calories of starch. It's much harder to overeat starch.
You keto people are crazy!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:39:04 2018 No.10520529 Anyone got any infographics on keto?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 18:54:29 2018 No.10520585 >>10520430 You scoff when a waiter asks for a temperature on your pork don't you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 19:01:12 2018 No.10520612 >>10520518 Fat is more satisfying. Eat a quarter pound of bread and then a quarter pound of butter and see which one makes you stop wanting to eat faster.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 19:12:00 2018 No.10520649

>>10520612
>Fat is more satisfying
Fat is not satisfying at all. Fat does not spike insulin, a powerful appetite suppressant. Fat is delicious and creates insatiable hunger in people, as evidenced by the diets of morbidly obese people.
Starch spikes insulin and makes humans feel full rather quickly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 19:15:13 2018 No.10520663 >>10520649 Fat is considered more psychologically satiating by nutritionists. Fat people are usually fat because of carb overconsumption

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 19:18:38 2018 No.10520677 >>10520663 >Fat is considered more psychologically satiating by nutritionists. >Fat people are usually fat because of carb overconsumption you can write that, but it's not true. deluded keto-nut. You know nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 19:52:38 2018 No.10520816 >>10520677 Keto is the only thing that got my hunger under control. It was kind of miraculous, really, after the first week.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:00:15 2018 No.10520849 >>10520816 >Keto is the only thing that got my hunger under control. I have no trouble controlling my eating and I eat an entirely starch based diet. Try it some time. potatoes and oatmeal goes well together.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:00:16 2018 No.10520850 >>10520677 I don't do keto and I have a degree in exercise science and am studying for a second degree in nutrition. look it up. overeating carbohydrates actually causes you to rebound into more hunger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:08:00 2018 No.10520872 >>10520850 >look it up. overeating carbohydrates actually causes you to rebound into more hunger. That is not true. It takes hours to digest a meal, and so a starch heavy meal will keep blood glucose levels stable for many hours afterwards.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:08:54 2018 No.10520874

>>10520872
completely and totally depends on what type of starch, so you've exposed yourself as someone who has no clue what you're talking about by saying this.

fuck off. i'm very, very tired of uneducated people telling educated people thye're wrong. fuck. off. woman.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:17:19 2018 No.10520903

>>10520209
Cheesy broccoli, baked Brussels sprouts, green beans sautéed in garlic and almond slivers, greens with balsamic and EVOO with goat cheese and nuts of choice, steamed cabbage, stuffed peppers, jalapeños filled with cream cheese wrapped in bacon, zucchini pasta, sautéed asparagus, riced cauliflower, cheesy cauliflower, kale with parmesan garlic lemon and oil, pureed eggplant with tahini, pickled radishes, avocados with salt and pepper, baked mushrooms, baked olives and garlic. I stick to greens a lot. I think I will do a goat cheese salad tonight when I get hungry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:18:59 2018 No.10520912 >>10520903 Oh my god anon, thank you. I'll just screencap your whole post. That gives me tons of ideas.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:19:19 2018 No.10520914

>>10520403
It's similar but keto focuses on actually going into ketosis, so it's more restrictive. You can't be doing diet sodas and fake sugars other than a select few. You can't go over 25-50 carbs per day which is extremely little. Between veggies, nuts and cheese you easily get there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:19:28 2018 No.10520915 >>10517546 Fat people are typically sentry Retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:19:33 2018 No.10520916 >>10520874 promoting keto is very irresponsible. It is very unhealthy and extreme. You're mentally ill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 20:21:29 2018 No.10520923 >>10520849 I've done a moderate-high carb diet before and solidly lost 1 pound per week for 16 weeks. Any diet works if you do it right. It's just about finding what works for you then figuring out how to keep the weight off.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 21:17:54 2018 No.10521134

Tonight I made nachos with shredded chicken and I used pork rinds as the chips.

Tomorrow for lunch I'm making jalapeno poppers with a cream cheese filling, wrapped in bacon, and grilling because it's been good weather.

Anyone have a good keto friendly pizza crust recipe? I got some cauliflower rice I need to use up.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 21:23:44 2018 No.10521174

>>10521134
I'm going to try this
>https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/katie-lee/cauliflower-pizza-crust-2651381..
I've made it successfully before, but I don't have that recipe anymore. You have to make sure you drain the cauliflower well using a towel or paper towel or cheese cloth. It needs to be dry as possible so that it can crisp up. Last time I made it my husband was super impressed. Good luck.

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 21:35:29 2018 No.10521221

>>10521134
>>10521174
You guys got me thinking, not a fan of substituting things you should avoid with bland fake versions of them on a diet. What if one were to hollow out a large wheel of mozzarella down to a volume that wouldn't cause labor-like conditions after ingesting, and fill up the resulting cheese bowl with pizza toppings?

Anonymous Sat Apr 28 21:38:46 2018 No.10521233

>>10521221
Wouldn't the mozzarella melt? The crust I made actually tasted like pizza crust. Wheat is just as bland as cauliflower is. You just dress it up a little by adding the parmesan inside the "dough" with some spices. I've heard of using cold cuts or a flattened chicken breast as the base and covering that with the toppings. You just aren't going to get a real pizza. It's better to just avoid fake replicas if you won't be satisfied with the substituted ingredients.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 22:12:23 2018 No.10521378 >>10520903 Thanks. I do creamed spinach a lot. You ever make that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 22:20:42 2018 No.10521420 >>10521378 No I've never tried it. It doesn't sound too appealing as a side dish to me. How do you like it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 22:24:25 2018 No.10521434 >>10521420 I never ate it growing up, so I was skeptical. It's actually pretty fucking good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 22:25:53 2018 No.10521441 >>10512523 wrong. recent lipid panel came back perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 00:18:41 2018 No.10521852 I gained a bunch if weight eating lard and fat and butter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 00:31:32 2018 No.10521900 >>10521852 Makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 05:26:13 2018 No.10522682 Need to get a hold of some coconut or almond flour so i can try my hand at some knock off doughnuts o

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 07:31:51 2018 No.10522927 >>10514807 Tell us all what ketosis is you fucking moron. This statement is so absurdly retarded and pathetic

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 07:50:01 2018 No.10522984 thanks but no, prefer Keta diet

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 08:20:26 2018 No.10523059 File: 1.52 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_2406.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10512210 I lost 40 lbs on a keto diet. Felt great and was able to cut my blood sugar meds in half.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 09:36:12 2018 No.10523225 >>10515008 The savior of /biz/.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 09:44:43 2018 No.10523242
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>>10520912
Here's a list of keto vegetables from lowest net carbs to highest net carbs from https://www.ruled.me/best-low-carb-vegetables-ketogenic-diet/..
>Broccoli Raab
>Watercress
>Nopales
>Bok Choi
>Celery
>Spinach
>Mustard Greens
>Asparagus
>Radish
>Avocado
>Arugula
>Zucchini
>Swiss Chard
>Mushrooms
>Kohlrabi
>Tomato
>Olives
>Eggplant
>Bell Pepper
>Cauliflower
>Cabbage (Green)
>Bamboo Shoots
>Cabbage (White)
>Cucumber
>Jalapeno Pepper
>Artichoke Hearts
>Broccoli
>Bean Sprouts
>Fennel
>Okra
>Green Beans
>Turnips
>Snow Peas
>Brussels Sprouts
>Kale
>Cabbage (Red)
>Pumpkin
>Rutabaga
>Carrots
>Celeriac
>Onion
>Leek
>Ginger

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 10:00:59 2018 No.10523306 >>10512811 Get salt for people with high blood pressure, it's mostly potassium and magnesium chloride, and just use that on lots of food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 10:02:52 2018 No.10523311 >>10513775 Not just that; keto actually makes your body process fats really inefficiently, so a lot of the energy in the fat is wasted.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 10:12:24 2018 No.10523342 >>10520081 Hey, I want to make this. Do you just mix the cauliflower with an egg and lay it down like a pizza base? Is it that easy?

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:21:55 2018 No.10523542

>>10523342
You rice the cauliflower then squeeze it as dry as possible in some sort of cloth. Then you mix it with egg and parmesan. Then you lay it down like a pizza. It is pretty easy to do. I don't have the recipe I used before saved, but I'm going to try this >>10521174.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:29:50 2018 No.10523570 >>10523542 Ah okay. I'll have to look at that recipe since I am a culinerylet and have no idea how to rice cauliflower. Thanks though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:31:42 2018 No.10523584 >>10523570 It means that you pulse it in the food processor. I did it without a food processor though. I used a cheese grater and grated it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:32:58 2018 No.10523590 >>10523584 Oh cool, I can finally open and use the food processor I got on sale two Christmases ago.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:33:15 2018 No.10523591 >>10514192 fermenting and cooking vegetables makes them more digestible

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:35:08 2018 No.10523598

I'm going to ask here, since it's in the same realm and I don't want to make a new thread for this one question. Is there anything I can add to water to help me gain weight? I'm drinking weight gainer shakes, but I'm wondering if there's anything else I can throw in to add more calories. I need to start putting something on so I'm not a hungry skelly anymore.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:35:44 2018 No.10523602

>>10512510
For me, it is the milk. I was reading a bit about keto diets and it says you can only have 1 cup or less of milk every day. I love milk, my family comes from places where dairy was a major food source, so to have it be that limited just doesn't seem right for me. I think keto is probably good as a temporary diet though, it would make sense that it's how people ate during winters when there aren't many fresh vegetables and starchy foods to grow/gather, but I don't think it's good as a constant diet forever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:38:21 2018 No.10523608 >>10523598 Protein powder Chocolate syrup Fruit syrups & drink concentrates

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:40:04 2018 No.10523614

>>10523608
I'll look into the concentrates. I don't want to do chocolate, because my protein shake is chocolate and that would be too much. I know it was a stupid question, because it's literally water. But I was wondering if anyone knew of a powder or anything specifically for this.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:41:50 2018 No.10523623

>>10523602
Humans didn't evolve to drink cow's milk. We revolutionized over literally billions of years to only drink our mothers milk and only until we were big enough to not do so. I'm not some crazy vegan or anything, but drinking cows milk is wholly against our nature. Switch to almond milk.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:43:17 2018 No.10523626

>>10523614
you said you're drinking weight gainer. you are asking what you can put in water

the answer is weight gainer. i dunno what else you want

protein powder is not used for this purpose, you would be spending a tremendous shitload of money and getting too much protein in your diet probably.

if you want to gain weight, start eating potatoes is my advice. instant mashed potatoes are a good bet. 1.19 or so and they take five minutes to prepare 3-4 servings

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 11:44:46 2018 No.10523629

>>10523623
>Humans didn't evolve to drink cow's milk.
About 25% of us did. Why would some of us be able to digest lactose past childhood otherwise? It's not found anywhere else and it wouldn't be plausible for people to keep drinking human breast milk after childhood because it would take away nutrition from the children. So for the majority of people, yes, drinking milk is bad for them. But not for everyone.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 12:20:13 2018 No.10523780

>>10520649
Type 1 diabetic here. You're dead wrong about insulin. Insulin makes you hungry. Hypoglycemia makes you ravenously hungry. People with insulin resistance and higher insulin levels from carbohydrate abuse are hungry all the time. Obese people almost always combine fat with carbohydrates. The insulin spike caused by the sugars overrides the satiating effect of the fats. So they get both the calorie density of fats and the hunger response from the insulin a couple hours after the sugars. Fatty carbs are dangerously addictive to many people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 12:26:19 2018 No.10523803 >>10523780 I could inject that guy with a couple units of insulin and he'd change his tune about insulin being an appetite suppressant.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 12:30:02 2018 No.10523814

I've dropped 100lbs on it over 6 months. Feel better than I have in years, but that's mostly from the weight loss. Keto is definitely an effective weight loss diet and teaches some good habits when you do it correctly, but it's definitely not for the long term. Once you reach a healthy weight for your height, you are going to have to switch off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 12:41:01 2018 No.10523853 Apparently the keto diet fucks up your liver according to research since it can't detox properly with that much fat in the diet. Causes liver disease.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 13:27:07 2018 No.10524018 >>10523853 Then stop drinking alcohol?

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 13:32:25 2018 No.10524039

>>10523629
?

Some people are able to tolerate dairy because their ancestors consumed a disproportionate amount of dairy, killing off or inhibiting those who are intolerant.

Just because some subsection of humans can do X doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Lactose intolerance isn't the only reason not to drink milk. Lactose is a carb, maybe that's a hint for you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 13:33:38 2018 No.10524040 >>10512210 the way people rant about it makes me not trust it ill just eat less junk and go for a walk

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 13:39:22 2018 No.10524067 >>10524039 >Lactose is a carb, maybe that's a hint for you? Not really, carbs aren't inherently evil.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 13:39:48 2018 No.10524072 >>10512210 It does. But you have to stay on it for the rest of your life to keep the weight off.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 13:44:40 2018 No.10524091

>>10524039
>Some people are able to tolerate dairy because their ancestors consumed a disproportionate amount of dairy, killing off or inhibiting those who are intolerant.

yes, this is called evolution by natural selection. meaning a % of humans is evolved to drink bovine milk

do you need any more explanation? you seem to havea good grip on the context of selection pressures yourself

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 13:52:08 2018 No.10524129

>>10524091
I was responding to:
>About 25% of us did

Which is wrong. Just because some people didn't die didn't mean they "evolved to" anything. Natural selection is a subtractive process, not additive. No one is evolving towards anything, they just aren't dying.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:01:56 2018 No.10524159

>>10523780
-Insulin suppresses appetite because it is needed to move glucose into cells. Once the body gets the shot of energy, it will feel better and hunger pains will decrease.
-Glucose from starch is so great because it is useful to many cells in the body, thus it is highly satiating.
-Fat and fructose is largely useless to the body and is turned into triglycerides and transferred to fat cells.
-You are completely wrong about fat being satiating. The most addictive junk food is all laden with fat - chips, fries, burgers, cheese - gee I wonder why?
-This is so because having fatty blood is an addictive to the body. It feels good. Obese people are addicted to having fatty blood.
-People who eat high fat diets are also not getting enough glucose to keep their body working, and so they get hungrier faster than someone who's diet is entirely starch.
-Fatty blood also interferes with insulin in the blood. The body requires more insulin to do the job. So when the fat is cleaned up, the blood is still loaded with insulin and no
glucose to absorb, so massive hunger pains ensue.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:07:31 2018 No.10524185

>>10524129
>Which is wrong. Just because some people didn't die didn't mean they "evolved to" anything. Natural selection is a subtractive process, not additive. No one is evolving towards anything, they just aren't dying.

....bro

the people who were able to digest milk had more babies, who were also able to digest milk. this means that the milk digestion trait was selected for. this is how natural selection works. Milk did not kill the people who couldn't digest it, it just meant they were comparatively less fit than those who could. This is the entire concept of fitness.

phrasing it in reverse and saying it's not natural selection? that is possibly a new height of stupidity.

it's well known that /ck/ is the most female board. some of y'all are fucking stupid as shit, just being totally honest, but what really gets me is the hubris for you to try to tell me i'm wrong when you clearly have not a single fucking clue about how this works.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:10:58 2018 No.10524198 >>10524185 Yeah bro all those cavemen spent their time on the farms milking cows survival of the fittest Youre a fat fuck retard. Go eat rusty shards of metal to prove your evolutionary superiority

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:14:06 2018 No.10524206

>>10524198
>Yeah bro all those cavemen spent their time on the farms milking cows survival of the fittest

We had pet dogs 200,000 years ago that were buried with toys. How long ago do you think humans figured out to pull on a cow tit?

I hate that you're so mad because you got proven wrong, but next time don't tell somebody they're wrong when you have no clue what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:15:08 2018 No.10524208 >>10524206 20,000*

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:15:43 2018 No.10524210

>>10524185
It is completely incorrect to say that we should eat meat because we were destined to and thus evolved to be able to.

Your body can process a lot of chemicals that aren't great for you. This is not destiny manifest.

Right now you are on equal footing to a creationist. One says we were created to be the way we are, the other says we evolved specifically to be the way we are.

In reality natural selection is just a process of elimination, there is no end goal. You are not evolving towards anything.

You should check out wiki or something, you sound like a reddit 'tfw too smart' atheist mate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:16:23 2018 No.10524212 >>10524210 why are you responding to my post? click on the right number captain parkinson's

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:16:58 2018 No.10524214 >>10524210 s/eat meat/drink milk/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:17:24 2018 No.10524217 can i use this diet if i do intense cardio for an hour 3x per week plus bodyweight circuits or do i need carbs for that

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:19:28 2018 No.10524227

>>10524217
you can use it under any circumstances. many of the proponents are high-level athletes.

if you're doing all that just make sure you have some intake of electrolytes during the process though. perhaps an electrolyte tablet with artificial sweetener

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:19:59 2018 No.10524230 >>10524212 ? I responded to you responding to me. Do you need trips to keep track of conversations? Is milk consumption linked to alzheimer's or something?

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:21:38 2018 No.10524235

>>10524230
>It is completely incorrect to say that we should eat meat because we were destined to and thus evolved to be able to.

You aren't responding to anything I said. Those are your words, not mine.

The concepts of fitness and natural selection in evolution are not up for grabs. Things we have directly observed and confirmed as scientific fact aren't arguable. I'm not sure where you think you're going but you're not even talking to the person you think you're talking to, anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:26:01 2018 No.10524249 >>10524206 You actually think dairy, let alone dairy from cows, was a substantial part of a paleolithic diet. Youre a fat ignorant retard worthy of nothing than being treated like the fat retard you are

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:29:03 2018 No.10524261

>>10524249
paleolithic? no, not really. mesolithic? yes, of course. you don't have any idea what the difference between those is, though.

teenage girls get really mad when you tell them they're stupid. next time don't try to win arguments you know fuck shit all about. :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:30:04 2018 No.10524263 Ketofags are the new veganfags They insist their diet is curing them of cancer or whatever as they go to the hospital for liver failure

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:31:39 2018 No.10524268 >>10524263 >They insist their diet is curing them of cancer or whatever as they go to the hospital for liver failure No they don't. It's just a short term weight loss method for 99% of people. And it doesn't affect your liver negatively whatsoever.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:31:55 2018 No.10524270

>>10523629
>implies that humans are 'meant' to drink cows milk

>>10524039
>explains basic evolution

>>10524091
>is confused

>>10524129
>explains the context

>>10524185
>still confused

>>10524210
>explains as explicitly as possible

>>10524212
>somehow even more confused
>and angry

>>10524230
>explains who responded to who

>>10524235
>now very confused and angry
>but, has read the wiki article on evolution
>has changed opinion to agree with >>10524039
>however, to save face pretends that they were the one explaining how evolution works and somehow everyone else is an evolution denier
>stopped arguing that milk is manifest destiny

What a ride. This is why you shouldn't drink milk kids.

At least one more person understands evolution now. Good on you milkman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:34:59 2018 No.10524278 I have ADHD-PI and I felt a noticeable difference. It was an ordeal avoiding carbs and dealing with constipation and hard poop though so I gave up.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:35:17 2018 No.10524279

>>10524261
Still not even remotely close. You couldve said Anaerobic Age and you probably wouldve made more sense. You have no clue about anything youre talking about. No one until the past couple hundred years have incorporated dairy as a dietary staple. You’re a fat fuck retard milkboy with gyno so youre naturally very defensive of your fat fuck gluttonous habits. Youre still unnaturally a fat fuck retard from years of huffing sharpies with so much pretension about anything other than cleaning cheeto dust from your asshole and expect to be taken seriously by anyone

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:37:11 2018 No.10524285 >>10524270 No bro my cave dwelling ancestors were out hunting cows to I’m pretending and milk

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:39:49 2018 No.10524294 >>10524279 >No one until the past couple hundred years have incorporated dairy as a dietary staple. lol, people have been drinking milk for thousands of years and was a staple in several different areas in europe

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:39:59 2018 No.10524296

>>10524279
This mural is close to five thousand years old. Mesolithic. You lose. Good day ma'am.

https://fthmb.tqn.com/Ej4Y8kGiDhcJdiWKPdzQQ2XM0DQ=/3099x2000/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/saqqara-dairying-56a024163df78cafdaa049e6.jpg

>>10524270
Ahhh, the old "everyone expressing similar sentiments is the same person regardless of content, typing style, spacing etc". I guess when you're not very intelligent it's hard to pick these things out. I'll leave you to sort this one out for yourself.

I really so hate that the age of the internet has led so many stupid people to believe they're smart. You really don't even realize.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:41:01 2018 No.10524300

>>10524279
>The earliest evidence to date for the processing of milk fats comes from the Early Neolithic of the seventh millennium BC in northwestern Anatolia; the sixth millennium BC in eastern Europe; the fifth millennium BC in Africa; and the fourth millennium BC in Britain and Northern Europe (Funnel Beaker culture).

Dairying Evidence
Evidence for dairying--that is to say, milking dairy herds and transforming them into dairy products such as butter, yogurt, and cheese--is only known because of the combined techniques of stable isotope analysis and lipid research. Until that process was identified in the early 21st century (by Richard P. Evershed and colleagues), ceramic strainers (perforated pottery vessels) were considered the only potential method of recognizing the processing of dairy products.

b-but!!! b-but!! I meant!! I meant!!....

stay in school, kids.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:43:07 2018 No.10524307

>>10524285
milk is my destiny, my greatgrandaddy was born to drink milk, my grandaddy was born to drink milk, my daddy was born to drink milk, and damnit so was I.

You are a teenage girl so go eat some steak loser.

I will drink all the milk.

>>10524296
Are you trying to say that these are not (you)?

>>10524091
>>10524185
>>10524212
>>10524235

I would be pretty confident in saying they are considering how upset you are in all of them...

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:43:27 2018 No.10524310

>>10524294
>>10524296
Drinking is different from staple you enormous inbred retard. And the fact you STILL think these people were DEPENDENT on milk as some survival mechanism shows the efficiency of your lifelong glue eating as an evolutionary advantage.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:43:37 2018 No.10524312

>>10524270
>implies that humans are 'meant' to drink cows milk
Just that it's natural and healthy for some people, and any diet that says otherwise makes me wary. There was also at least one other person arguing against the person saying it's unnatural (which is a fallacious argument anyway).

>This is why you shouldn't drink milk kids.
smug anime girl.jpg

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:44:47 2018 No.10524317

>Julie Dunne of the University of Bristol, lead author of the archaeological study published in Nature which found the first direct evidence that prehistoric people of the African Sahara used cattle for their milk many thousands of years ago long before the cultivation of plants in this region said:

>“Milk is one the very few foods that give us carbohydrates, fats and proteins in one go. So being able to use milk like these people did would’ve made an enormous difference to their health. It would’ve provided food for life.”

>The initial evidence was found in rock art images illustrating domesticated cattle from the Wadi Imha, in the Tadrart Acacus Mountains, Libyan Sahara. Scientists have dated these images at between 5,000 and 8,000 years old.

What happened, stupid-chan? You got quiet. Unfortunately, I have a very broad and deep understanding of genetics, natural selection, and the concept of fitness, as well as an advanced degree in a biological science. I'm afraid you've picked on the wrong person with your insane blabbering. :)

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:46:39 2018 No.10524323

>>10524300
>the original point from the beginning was dependency on dairy as a staple

>LOL FUCK CONTEXT BRO

Must be the autism from the casein. Explains why youre such a shiteating retard that reeks of obese 13 year old teen smugness

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/372181/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23990835/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:47:42 2018 No.10524326 >>10524307 >milk is my destiny And thats why you’re fat retard who had a mother that drank too much but unfortunately not enough. Congrats on being the gleaming beacon of evolution

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:48:49 2018 No.10524331 >>10524323 I never said anything about that. I just said you don't understand the concepts of fitness and natural selection, which you proved you don't. Oh well. I'm done arguing with stupid women on this board.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:50:10 2018 No.10524334 >>10524331 >I never said anything about Youre here arguing how competent and evolved you are yet can’t even remember what you posted less than 30 minutes ago lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:50:27 2018 No.10524336 >>10524310 Lots of sources say that the ancient Irish diet relied heavily on dairy as a staple until they got potatoes. Your ad hominems are getting pretty annoying tho.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:51:47 2018 No.10524340 >>10524336 >lots of sources Great argument, fatty fat retard. But feel free to post more pretty paintings that get your evolved brain so excited

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:52:21 2018 No.10524343

>>10524331
skitzophrenic and forgetful mate.

Milk really isn't doing you any favours.

>>10524336
ad hominem isn't the same as an insult.

ad hominem is using someone's identity as an argument. Eg "you are a man so you can't understand milk" to dismiss an argument about milk.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:52:28 2018 No.10524344

>>10524334
You honestly seem like a person who needs help in some way. I dunno what else to say to you.

We have both evidence from multiple world sites that dairy farming occurred at least 7,000 years ago as well as evidence from Africa that milk was a dietary staple before the dawn of agriculture on the continent. Your attempt to reverse the concept of fitness into a "negative" was bizarre and self-serving, and would be shut down by literally any and every academic as asinine.

You lost every single argument you posed and yet you're still posting angrily and insulting. It's time to move on. When you are presented with data that don't match your preconceived notions, integrate this data and change your notions. This process is called "learning".

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:57:31 2018 No.10524361

>>10524340
There are two people arguing in favor of dairy. I didn't post the paintings. You're getting too excited and acting like a retard, so calm down please.

http://www.ravensgard.org/prdunham/irishfood.html

>Crabtree's analysis of the bones led her to conclude that cattle were kept in ancient Ireland primarily for dairying rather than meat
>Milk was an important foodstuff and was consumed in large quantities
>Irish cuisine began its history, as a cuisine based on meat and dairy products supplemented with seafood in coastal regions and vegetables as a side issue but not as a major component of the diet

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:57:31 2018 No.10524362

>>10524344
You honestly seem like a fat fucking retard that can’t keep up with any of the stupid shit coming from his fat fingers smashing his cheeto stained keyboard

Youve gone from arguing a bunch of bullshit about evolution to bullshit about its importance to milk to history of cute paintings. You can’t keep a coherent argument and you’re very stupid and get very angry when people point this out

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 14:59:56 2018 No.10524368 >>10513906 ive never heard a pro animal only diet that doesnt support the animal farming industry. stupid point makes no sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:00:07 2018 No.10524369 >>10524362 Look, kid, the argument is over. Every line of thought you posed has been corrected/defeated by multiple sources. It's over. Go outside. It's amazing out today here in sunny North Carolina.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:01:35 2018 No.10524371

>>10524361
Cherrypicking is cool definitely

>If any attempt is made to record the history of Irish Cuisine and diet it should start with the use of the cauldron a large three legged pot which was hung over the fire and simmered continuously. Depending on whether the community was inland or coastal would determine the types of foods chosen for cauldron cooking. Coastal communities collected a variety of shellfish (razorbills, cockles, clams, oysters, limpets, periwinkles, mussels, prawns and crabs) added seaweed, some herbs and vegetables to make a soup/stew, which was left simmering for hours then eaten with Oat bread. (O'Brien Education 1972). Meat and game were also cooked in this fashion. Necessity having been the mother of invention, the cauldron inspired Irish cooks to devise endless pottage and soups such as Irish farm broth, sheep's head broth, clam and cockle soup, hot lobster soup just to name a few (Sexton 1998).

Now tell me what is the evolutionary significance of all this again? Or are you forgetful too?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:02:06 2018 No.10524374 >>10524362 >fat fucking retard you keep calling him this and it's highly disturbing. are you fat by any chance?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:02:51 2018 No.10524378 >>10524369 There was no argument. There was a fat southerner retard in you posting pretty pictures and forgetting what he was just talking about. Youve yet to explain anything evolutionary significant about dairy

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:03:33 2018 No.10524387 >>10524371 >they ate other things so it means they didn't eat dairy >evolusshun

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:03:53 2018 No.10524388 >>10524374 It’s probably highly disturbing to you because you have gyno and get triggered by being a fat fucking retard, dont you, you fat fucking retard?

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:04:26 2018 No.10524391

>>10524371
I don't really understand your point by quoting that. Are you saying it disproves dairy being a staple food for some cultures? Or that because the whole page isn't about dairy being a staple food, that disproves any claims about it? Or do you think the types of foods people ate in an area have nothing to do with evolution?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:06:04 2018 No.10524392 >>10524387 >my entire argument is about evolutionary significance and how they only ate dairy, but since thats been validly disputed ill just forget i never said it

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:06:51 2018 No.10524399

>>10524388
>>10524392
>cletus angry because full fat milk increases satiety and makes you eat less
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/full-fat-dairy-may-reduce-obesity-risk/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25102-is-full-fat-milk-best-the-skinny-on-the-dairy-paradox/
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/146/1/81/4616088
>only ate dairy
strawman! bad nutrition makes you rely on logical fallacies as cletus demonstrates here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:07:01 2018 No.10524402 >>10524392 >and how they only ate dairy Nobody said this.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:09:17 2018 No.10524404

>>10512210
Guys, stop arguing with this person.

It took me literally like 20 years on the internet to figure out, but just, it doesn't matter. You will never convince them they're wrong. They aren't capable of learning.

Everyone wants the validation of being right but you're just keeping them going-- a person who has no form of interaction with others except negativity and hatred.

There's no reason to hover around this person. Just move on. Let the thread die now.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:10:41 2018 No.10524409

>>10524404
Yeah, I was going to tell the other guy arguing alongside me in favor of dairy to just stop at this point. There's enough info here to show that dairy was a staple food for some cultures and that it's fine for some people. But the guy arguing against it just wants to beat people into submission with insults and spastic shouting so there's no point in continuing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:10:54 2018 No.10524410 >>10524404 >not making fun of cletus for being a fat fuck who ignores facts in favor of his obesity

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:11:42 2018 No.10524411

>>10524391
Its really not surprising you don’t understand anything going on. Those pretty pictures really distracted you. Considering you tried shoehorning dairy as some end all while blatantly ignoring the plethora of other things they were clearly consuming in mass is nothing surprising at this point

>the types of foods people ate
You must be Irish then considering how fucking stupid you are. Youve yet to explain any evolutionary significance of milk as anything other than calories, evolutionary significance in basically modern humans btw lma

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:13:17 2018 No.10524415 >>10524399 Clearly makes you eat less right chubs? Full fat milk makes full fat fuck retard like you too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19243483/ >strawman! Your words

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:13:22 2018 No.10524416 >>10523602 stupid faggot lol

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:14:57 2018 No.10524422

>>10524411
fat cletus can't rely on an argument so he relies on racism like all fatty fats do in the end

explain why full fat milk is inversely associated with obesity pls
>>10524415
>hurr studies are like a game of chess my chess piece kills your chess piece
my sides. cletus is THIS FAT!

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:15:04 2018 No.10524423

>>10524404
You sound like a real fat bitch trying her hardest not to make an aggressive insult

Must be the estrogen or the evolution of having a lineage of fat retards who drink milk

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11601881/?i=2&from=/16125328/related

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:15:20 2018 No.10524426

>>10524411
>the plethora of other things they were clearly consuming in mass
except one of the quotes i showed you literally says those foods were supplements to the staples of meat and dairy. you can also use milk as a cooking broth for all of that stuff, which i'm sure wasn't uncommon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:16:09 2018 No.10524428 >>10524415 >>10524423 >cites theses in response to cohort studies because he can't explain away the cohort LOL

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:16:58 2018 No.10524433

>>10524423
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11601881/?i=2&from=/16125328/related
>The milk that we now consume may be quite unlike that consumed 100 years ago.
So any problems with milk today is with modern methods of producing it, and not milk itself?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:17:05 2018 No.10524434 >>10512210 I lost weight but after put it all back on, plus it is actually unhealthy. No way to cheat it, balanced diet (less carbs than recommend by officials) and counting calories

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:17:56 2018 No.10524438

>>10524433
>>10524423
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2015226
more cohort studies to trigger thesesfag

>Ten studies comprising 46011 children and adolescents with an average 3-year follow-up were included. As compared with those who were in the lowest group of dairy consumption, children in the highest intake group were 38% less likely to have childhood overweight/obesity (pooled odds ratio (OR)=0.62; 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.49, 0.80).

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:21:46 2018 No.10524447 >>10524438 overconsumption of a high calorie food making someone overweight isn't specific to dairy products

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:22:45 2018 No.10524452

>>10524422
I dont even mention anything about race and you cry racism while insulting southerners lmao

How about you for once in this entire thread explain the evolutionary significance of milk? Evolutionary significance in people’s thats are modern humans by the way since that’s what you’re arguing

>studies are a game of chess
Youre trying really hard to sound clever. Youre just estrogenated and im showing why its from being a fat fuck milk drinking chubs https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14729019/?i=3&from=/16125328/related

>>10524426
And vegetables and other grains...

>>10524428
>he thinks smugly greentexting means the studies are disproven and his gyno is any less evident

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

>>10524433
Its a factor. Factor mostly relating to constantly impregnating cows and gathering milk during peak stages of pregnancy, milk is laden with estrogens regardless

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:24:15 2018 No.10524459 >>10512942 >a diet that is literally based around managing your insulin-levels in the blood >diabetes jesus christ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:24:23 2018 No.10524460 >>10524438 I like how fat fuck retards like you think using the word cohort makes you smart or something. Its almost like you don’t understand any mechanistic data differences in studies

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:24:31 2018 No.10524462

>>10524452
>Factor mostly relating to constantly impregnating cows and gathering milk during peak stages of pregnancy, milk is laden with estrogens regardless
If that's a problem then it could potentially be solved while keeping up production of large quantities of it with things like synthesized/"animal-free" milk. Not milk alternatives but milk being produced in a way similar to lab-grown meat.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:25:28 2018 No.10524466

>>10524438
https://pastebin.com/B0jFx76G

>Total dairy food intake, of which milk contributed about half, was associated with a significant 6% lower risk of hip fracture per daily serving in men and women (RR = 0.94, CI 0.90 to 0.98). Calcium, vitamin D, and protein from non-dairy sources did not modify the association between milk and hip fracture, nor was it explained by contributions of these nutrients from milk.

>. No associations were found for total (high-fat/low-fat) dairy, and milk with the health outcomes of mortality, CHD or CVD. Inverse associations were found between total fermented dairy (included sour milk products, cheese or yogurt; per 20 g/day) with mortality (RR 0.98, 95% CI 0.97–0.99; I2 = 94.4%) and CVD risk (RR 0.98, 95% CI 0.97–0.99; I2 = 87.5%).

>In total, thirty-one unique cohort studies were identified and included in the meta-analysis. Several statistically significant SRRE below 1.0 were observed, namely for total dairy intake and stroke (SRRE=0·91; 95 % CI 0·83, 0·99), cheese intake and CHD (SRRE=0·82; 95 % CI 0·72, 0·93) and stroke (SRRE=0·87; 95 % CI 0·77, 0·99), and Ca from dairy sources and stroke (SRRE=0·69; 95 % CI 0·60, 0·81). However, there was little evidence for inverse dose–response relationships between the dairy variables and CHD and stroke after adjusting for within-study covariance. The results of this meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies have shown that dairy consumption may be associated with reduced risks of CVD, although additional data are needed to more comprehensively examine potential dose–response patterns.
>>10524460
whine harder about your theses samefag.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:26:35 2018 No.10524470

>>10524466
In a stratified analysis for type 2 diabetes, corresponding values in those with and without milk intake were 0.88 (0.76, 1.03; P = 0.11) and 1.35 (1.07, 1.70; P = 0.01) (P-interaction: 0.002), whereas no gene-milk interaction on overweight-obesity was found. For a 1-glass/wk higher milk intake, the genetic risk ratio for type 2 diabetes was 0.99 (0.93, 1.06), and the corresponding observational risk was 1.01 (1.00, 1.01). For overweight-obesity, the corresponding values were 1.01 (1.00, 1.02) genetically and 1.00 (1.00, 1.01) observationally.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/102/2/487/4564540

>I know words like mechanistic! I'm smart! Honest!

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:27:36 2018 No.10524473

>>10524470
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0271531714001213
>Total dairy food intake was inversely associated with the likelihood of global obesity (odds ratio [OR], 0.51; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.30-0.89; P < .05) and abdominal obesity (OR, 0.51; 95% CI, 0.32-0.83; P < .01). Participants in the highest tertile of whole-fat dairy intakes (milk, cheese, yogurt) had significantly lower odds for being obese (global obesity: OR, 0.45; 95% CI, 0.29-0.72; P < .01; abdominal obesity: OR, 0.35; 95% CI, 0.23-0.54; P < .001), compared with those in the lowest intake tertile, after full adjustment for demographic, lifestyle, dietary, and cardiovascular risk factor variables. Increasing consumption of dairy foods may have the potential to lower the prevalence of global and abdominal obesity.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:28:36 2018 No.10524476

>>10524466
Lol fatty fat fuck retard thinks buzzwording theses and cohorts makes him any less of a fatty fuck retard. Do you actually know what a thesis is?

Must be the estrogen
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12861831/?i=3&from=/14729019/related

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:29:45 2018 No.10524481

>>10524473
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/obr.12158
>No significant association was found between dairy intake and adiposity in the aggregated data, although statistical heterogeneity was high (I2=0.72). Among adolescents, however, dairy intake was inversely associated with adiposity (effect size −0.26, [−0.38, −0.14], P<0.0001). Effect size was not predicted by exposure variable (milk vs. dairy), study design, statistical methods, outcome variables or sex. Interpretation of results was complicated by variability in study methods and insufficient adjustment for relevant confounders, particularly dietary reporting accuracy, sweetened beverage intake and pubertal development. Despite limitations, available data suggest a neutral effect of dairy intake on adiposity during early and middle childhood and a modestly protective effect in adolescence.
>>10524476
>if I spam my theses harder maybe they'll pay attention

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:30:50 2018 No.10524483 >>10524481 You literally dont even know what thesis means lmao https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173447/

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:31:33 2018 No.10524487

>>10524483
>please please click on my theses
>ctually, inverse associations between fat intake and later overweight have already been reported previously. In a 2-decade-long follow-up study (2), a low fat intake at the age of 2 y was associated with high fat mass and leptin concentrations at 20 y, suggesting that fat restriction in early life may have activated adaptive mechanisms to store energy, thus increasing the susceptibility to later overweight, metabolic diseases, and leptin resistance. Likewise, a negative association between fat intake...

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/105/6/1566/4569800

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:32:56 2018 No.10524491 >>10524487 You literally have no idea what thesis means LOL. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10389843/ Here’s another “thesis” LMAO

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:34:08 2018 No.10524496

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128098684000315
>We found no association between milk intake and risk of ischemic heart disease or type 2 diabetes in the observational studies. We found a higher intake of milk among lactase persistent participants (TC/TT) than among lactase non-persistent (CC). We discuss the results from a Mendelian randomization perspective.
>>10524491
>please please click on my theses ;___;

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:35:12 2018 No.10524499

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Thomas11/publication/314259262_Are_whole-fat_dairy_foods_better_for_health/links/58be5eccaca27261e52ea36e/Are-whole-fat-dairy-foods-better-for-health.pdf

Acohortstudyof1529Australiansmonitoreddeathsover14years.Peoplewhoconsumed
themostfull‐fatmilk,yoghurtandcheese(medianintakeof339g/day)diedlessoftenfrom
cardiovasculardiseasecomparedtopeoplewhoconsumedtheleastfull‐fatdairyfoods.
Cardiovasculardeathrateswerenotrelatedtooveralldairyintakeorlow‐fatdairyintake
andallthedairymeasureswerenotrelatedtoall‐causemortality.(Bonthuis,Hughes,
Ibiebele,Green,&vanderPols,2010).Alimitationofthisstudywasthattheauthorsdidnot
separatelymeasuredairyfoodswithaddedsugar.Forexample,icecreamwasincludedwith
full‐fatdairy.Theauthorsreportedthatnoindividualdairyproduct(milk,yoghurt,full‐fat
cheeseorcustard,creamoricecreamwasassociatedwitheithercardiovascularorall‐cause
mortality.
 Acohortstudyof26,930adults,overaperiod14years,inMalmo,Swedenlookedatthe
associationbetweendietaryfatintakeanddevelopmentoftype2diabetes.Amongthe
participants,2860developeddiabetes.Greaterintakeofhigh‐fatdairyproductswas
associatedwithdecreasedincidenceofdiabetes.Specificallytheynotedthathighintakesof
creamandhigh‐fatfermentedmilkproducts(yoghurt,sourmilkandcheese)were
associatedwithsignificantlydecreasedriskofdiabetes.(Ericsonetal.,2015)
 Astudyof2745Torontochildrenagedbetween1and6yearsreportedthatwholemilk
consumption(comparedtoconsumptionoflow‐fatorskimmilk)wasassociatedwithhigher
levelsofvitaminD(measuredfrombloodsamples)andlowerlevelsofobesity(measuredby
bodymassindex‐BMI).Thiswasacross‐sectional(descriptive)study.(Vanderhoutetal.

>I bet the jews did this! Muh KETO!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:35:26 2018 No.10524501 Dont mind me lads just posting another one of my truth bomb “theses” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1377788/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:38:50 2018 No.10524513 >>10523598 You could just take a spoonful of coconut or MCT oil.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:38:51 2018 No.10524514 >>10524496 I can tell you don’t even read the “theses” you post. Or even understand what mechanistic data implies when you cite observational studies for the dietary effects on heart disease

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:42:36 2018 No.10524528

>>10524072
Well you have to successful adjust your diet once you are done so that you're eating the proper amount of calories each day. People fail at this miserably regardless of the diet. I kept the weight off (about 20 lbs difference) for years after doing keto and recently went back up. I was indulging too much and my lifestyle isn't active anymore. I'm not sure how I'll proceed after losing the weight this time, but I'm prepared to adjust my diet so that it fits my lifestyle/calorie limit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:46:24 2018 No.10524534 >>10523853 No, it doesn't, "according to the research". The vast bredth of research says keto is healthy

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:46:54 2018 No.10524535

>>10524217
When you do a lot of exercise and especially work your muscles out, you are allowed a higher amount of calories. Basically you start out severely restricting your carbs to the 25g-50g point depending on height and weight, get yourself into ketosis and check your pee with the strips, then add 25g more carbs to your diet per day and check your pee each day. When you've hit the carb limit, the ketone strip with get lighter. I knew someone who did keto and drank wine like a motherfucker and was still pissing the highest amount of ketones on the strip. He was muscular and worked out, so he was able to handle more while I was barely getting a small reading. Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:48:55 2018 No.10524545 >>10524534 Compared to what? Eating KFC everyday? It has no metabolic advantage

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:50:25 2018 No.10524550 >>10512210 I have a semen shake every day; part of a well-balancedketo diet.

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 15:54:32 2018 No.10524561

Day 7 and I'm down 5 pounds. Not sure how much of that is water weight. I can buy that I lost one legit pound this week. The first week was my adjustment period, so today is officially where I will start my weight loss. If I start from 145lbs then I know the rest of what I lose isn't water weight and is legit. I'm hoping I lose it significantly faster than normal with this diet so that it's worth it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 16:19:52 2018 No.10524628 >>10524159 (you)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 16:34:35 2018 No.10524655 >>10524561 That's mostly water weight. Now it's all about calorie restriction. I can't sell you on the creamed spinach, huh? It's really good. Honest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 16:38:17 2018 No.10524667 >>10524655 When we get bored of other veggies and we need some variation I'll try it. Sounds like a good side dish for a lean protein.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 16:40:45 2018 No.10524675 >>10524667 I like it with steak or roasted chicken.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 16:56:32 2018 No.10524749 How to get enough calcium without dairy?

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 17:14:27 2018 No.10524811

>>10524749
Do you have issues with consuming dairy? You can eat lots of cheese and some greek yogurt and kefir on keto. Here are non-dairy sources:
>Spinach
>Kale
>Okra
>Collards
>Some fish, like sardines, salmon, perch, and rainbow trout
>broccoli
>watercress
>bok choy
>almonds

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 17:57:40 2018 No.10524982 I did for about five or six months, works great, lost 80lbs. Make sure you stay hydrated and get in your electrolytes

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 18:45:58 2018 No.10525120 >>10513469 Fellow costochondritis sufferer here, has your costo gone away with just diet change, or have you implemented any stretching/exercising regimes as well?

Anonymous Sun Apr 29 20:28:37 2018 No.10525407

>>10524159
>The most addictive junk food is all laden with fat
>cheese
Since when is cheese addicting junk food?
All those foods you mentioned (except cheese) have more simple carbs and salt than fat.
Everything else in your post is equally as retarded so I'm not even going to take the time to refute.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 21:02:03 2018 No.10525504 >>10525407 I stopped reading at fat is largely useless to the body.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 29 23:29:23 2018 No.10525902 So, when does the constipation stop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:02:59 2018 No.10526050 >>10525902 When you start eating low-carb vegetables like a reasonable person. I'm serious. There have been several posts in the thread about vegetables. I'm also fond of avocados, raspberries, and pumpkin seeds for their fiber and vitamins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:05:28 2018 No.10526059 >>10526050 I eat lettuce on my lettuce-wrap chicken burger. That's 4g of carbs and I try to stay under 15g. I used to drink metamucil but twice a day is 10g together. What should I eat?

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:18:01 2018 No.10526116

>>10526059
see >>10523242
Also: almonds and other tree nuts, pumpkin seeds, raspberries, blackberries, and strawberries.
Ideas: >>10520903 >>10521378
This thread got shitted up pretty badly by the armchair nutritionists. Makes the good posts hard to find. They off to shitpost in a vegan thread now.

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:19:55 2018 No.10526126

>>10526059
>I used to drink metamucil but twice a day is 10g together. What should I eat?
Chia seeds/flax seeds (Chia seeds are great for making pudding. And flax seed meal makes awesome crackers)
Psyllium husk (GOAT for making bread rolls)
For vegetables just stick to cruciferous dark green veggies like spinach, asparagus, bok choy, broccoli rabe, maybe some radishes too. Seeds + nuts like >>10526116 mentioned.
A few servings of all of that should definitely put you at or above your daily fiber requirement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:22:43 2018 No.10526141 >>10526126 >>10526116 https://youtu.be/rcM8UzTJtxY mmmm, this looks really good. I might try making some of this tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 00:28:36 2018 No.10526172 >>10526141 Creamed spinach is pretty great. The one lady above wouldn't believe me. Oh well.

Anonymous Mon Apr 30 01:35:23 2018 No.10526397

hi /keto/, quick question.. i am a student, lives in hostel, i can only buy food at this one restaurant near my hostel.. I only buy 2 fried chickens and 2 lettuce leafs.. is this /keto/ enough? usually I eat them with rice, but I want to lose fat, so i just need to cut the white rice right?
>if no
then i will resort to /fast/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 03:19:39 2018 No.10526699 >>10515706 >nuts not being expensive

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