So why aren't Americans skeptical of Big Soy?

[Anonymous No.10503806]

Memes aside, it is a massive industry with a huge lobby that is attempting to put soy in literally everything you eat.

It doesn't need to be in everything. Period. There is no benefit to endless consumption of soy. It is not that great for you anyway. And like it or not, the jury is out on its hormonal effects. Inconclusive evidence is still evidence. But people on this board who lack a formal education don't understand that.

Daily reminder that it's only "in everything" in America.

[Anonymous No.10503811]

>>10503806
>There is no benefit to endless consumption of soy.
Threads like this piss me off because it's just not true.

[Anonymous No.10503883]

>>10503811
that is the point

[Anonymous No.10503899]

>>10503811
Meanwhile, in reality, from the NIH:
>Consequently, the question of whether or not phytoestrogens are beneficial or harmful to human health remains unresolved. The answer is likely complex and may depend on age, health status, and even the presence or absence of specific gut microflora. Clarity on this issue is needed because global consumption is rapidly increasing. Phytoestrogens are present in numerous dietary supplements and widely marketed as a natural alternative to estrogen replacement therapy. Soy infant formula now constitutes up to a third of the US market, and soy protein is now added to many processed foods. As weak estrogen agonists/antagonists with molecular and cellular properties similar to synthetic endocrine disruptors such as Bisphenol A (BPA), the phytoestrogens provide a useful model to comprehensively investigate the biological impact of endocrine disruptors in general.

[Anonymous No.10503905]

>>10503806
>Memes aside, it is a massive industry with a huge lobby
So is everything. Thats a fucking silly reason to avoid something

[Anonymous No.10503911]

>>10503806
There is no lobby cramming it in things to fuck with you. Rather it's the industry catering to the demand for "muh cheaper premade food".

Soy is easy as fuck to avoid: buy basic, raw, ingredients and cook from scratch. There's zero soy in your food unless you specifically put it in there. Or, if you don't want to cook, then pony up for high quality premade food.

If you're too lazy to cook and you spend all your money on booze, vidya games, and phone toys, well, you reap what you sow.

[Anonymous No.10503922]

>>10503905
Not interested in what a partisan hack has to say.
>hurr a board on 4chan doesnt like soy so that means i need to defend multinational corporations.
Fucking please. Get a grip

[Anonymous No.10503938]

>>10503922
You’re way more retarded than the person you’re responding to. Nobody gives a shit about whether or not certain internet communities make fun of people who eat soy, nobody gives a shit about eating soy, nobody gives a shit about the soy lobby which apparently wants to put soy into every processed food product like, I don’t know, corn already is? This entire controversy over soy is entirely fabricated and almost exclusively limited in discussion to the retards who post on this image board.

[Anonymous No.10503942]

>>10503911
>even though its in a lot of stuff you can avoid it by avoiding it
Wow fucking thanks for the stellar intellectual contribution. Won't address the rest of your post where you strawman an ad hominem to make yourself feel good. I am certain I make more money than you and have slept with far more women. You are beneath an actual adult with adult thoughts like me. Don't post again unless you address the NIH study posted above which cautions about the exact situation you're downplaying. Thanks for playing brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10503946]

>>10503938
The fact that corn lobby exists doesn't make it good or right?

[Anonymous No.10503949]

>>10503938
Literally the NIH disagrees and is actively studying phytoestrogens... but ok you know better

[Anonymous No.10503951]

>>10503942
wow, someone is buttmad. too much soy?

[Anonymous No.10503952]

>>10503806
phytoestrogens do not work like like the same sort of hormones that mtf's take, also they need to take anti androgens to drop their test levels.

honestly you americans are so fucking stupid. instead worrying about shit thats been proven dangerous like HFCS, aspartame, BPA and trans fats you stupid fucks care about something found in a perfectly healthy vegetable

[Anonymous No.10503965]

>>10503952
So there are international bodies studying the effects of these compound for what... to appease soy conspiracy theorists?

You pretending theres nothing wrong with these chemicals is worse than the doomsayers. The jury is out, and there is evidence of some negative effects. Sorry this bothers you. Also not american

[Anonymous No.10503966]

>>10503942
Haha holy shit you’re what 19? Certain you make more money and have slept with more women than the other poster. Guess what I eat soy regularly and I’m certain that I make more money and have slept with more women than you. So what happened to your evidence? I guess you were wrong?

[Anonymous No.10503969]

>>10503952
The studies I have seen on aspartame are pretty inconclusive. Got any studies showing is is harmful for humans to consume?

[Anonymous No.10503971]

>>10503949
Do you know what a phytoestrogen is?

[Anonymous No.10503976]

>>10503971
Just explain why the NIH abstract posted above exists if they are entirely harmless please

[Anonymous No.10503977]

>>10503952
You’re right, everyone in this thread is dumber than fuck

[Anonymous No.10503984]

>>10503966
Great post. Very mature.

[Anonymous No.10503989]

>>10503977
So you know better than the WHO, which states there may be negative effects of phytos in soy and so the topic requires more study?

[Anonymous No.10503992]

>>10503806
They feed spy to our meat. Most of these animals whereby supposed to eat that sgit and produce really weird hormones cuz pf it.

[Anonymous No.10504005]

>>10503989
"might maybe require more study" == "certainly has worrysome effects" in your mind?
Go die in a fire.

Besides, it's not hard to avoid the big bad soy bogeyman if he really scares you that much. What's the problem exactly? If you don't like soy then don't eat it.

[Anonymous No.10504012]

>>10503806
Big soy doesn’t exist
I’m not a shill, just here to make you realize stuff

People only use soy because it’s cheaper than literally anything else
There’s no sinister cabal to soy people up, just capitalists who realize they can save millions with a simple substitute
The soy industry in the West isn’t old enough to have influenced congress to enact laws that make them essential to the economy, not like meat/dairy lobbies have
There’s no benefit to consumption, but food industry ceos don’t really care about your personal benefits
You seem to not understand how capitalism works

[Anonymous No.10504019]

>>10504005
But thats not what the current research is saying. Its saying there has been demonstrable evidence of negative effects but it cannot be conclusively stated at this time. It sounds like you don't understand health research if thats the best your brain can do. Like I said earlier, inconclusive evidence is still evidence. There just needs to be more of it to start making nation wide recommendations about consumption.

Your weird anger in your post is really sad. Imagine being angry about a bean because of /pol/ lol

[Anonymous No.10504025]

>>10504012
Nice sources. Meanwhile IRL there are soy lobbies

[Anonymous No.10504029]

>>10503989
Wait what happened to the NIH? Are they or are they not studying how phytoestrogens in soy products can be harmful to humans? Or is it the WHO that’s studying this now?

You’re so goddamned retarded you can’t figure out how peer reviewed studies work. Everyone knows that phytoestrogens, just like literally every biological compound, can be harmful to humans if consumed in too large amounts. The amount of soy you would have to eat for those phytoestrogens to have any effect on your biology would be massive. You’re so insecure about your masculinity you’ve imagined that eating tofu twice a week is going to turn you into some dress wearing nail painting sissy. You’re just as dumb, if not dumber than every poster on this board and the rest of this website, but mostly the ones who wander over from /pol/.
Eat as much soy as you want and then kill yourself. You were never going to make it anyways

[Anonymous No.10504036]

>>10504025
Soy doesn’t need a lobby
It’s cheap so it’s in demand
What would a soy lobby even do in the government that they couldn’t do outside the government?
Get farmers to grow it? Yes, it’s in demand which means more people will want to produce it to sell
Hey companies to use it? Yes, soy is cheap and versatile so you can use it in a series of products (soy lecithin, soybean oil, etc etc)
I really don’t need to go on
You’re just an idiot

[Anonymous No.10504041]

>>10504029
Both orgs are studying it. Nice job moving the goalposts and making an unsubstantiated claim that runs counter to the research. You've just conceded the argument.

Pathetic. I see you want to play the ad hom game some more. Take it somewhere else. I won't bite.

[Anonymous No.10504042]

>>10504019
"cannot be conclusivley stated at this time" is a very very weak statement in the scientific world. If there was anything concrete it would have been stated in far stronger terms.

Anyway, it doesn't really bother me since I consume very little soy.

If it bothers you then why don't you do the same insted of worrying about what maybe might possibly be?

>>anger
No anger, just confusion. It sounds like you've convinced yourself that soy is to be avoided. Since you've already made up your mind why not stop worrying about it and just avoid it? That seems a lot simpler and less stressful for you. Err on the safe side and be done with it.

[Anonymous No.10504043]

>>10504025
>>10504036

this. soybeans are a versatile crop with a multitude of uses. its isnt something niche which would heavily rely on lobbying (ie guns and the NRA)

[Anonymous No.10504045]

>>10504036
Why dont you explain the existence of soy lobbies then, smart dude

[Anonymous No.10504050]

>>10504042
I'm not worried about anything. My posts are stating that the jury is out. Which is true. You're the one making broad assumptions and making a bean political.

[Anonymous No.10504058]

>>10504043
Nearly all major industries lobby heavily. Not because it's "needed", but because it makes money. Lobbying the gov is an extremely profitable business move no matter what the cause is, regardless if there is a "need".

Lobbying by entities like the NRA, enviornmental groups, etc have nothing to do with the above. That's more of a desparation effort to keep people from fucking over your cause for no real reason.

[Anonymous No.10504059]

>>10504045
Shouldn’t that be the role of someone who says that the soy lobbies have an agenda
Sounds to me like you don’t even know how to prove your arguments
Where are YOUR sources detailing what soy lobbies and lobbying for

[Anonymous No.10504067]

>>10504050
>I'm not worried about anything.
Then what's the point of your post at all?

>>The jury is out
We know.
Avoid it if you feel one way. Don't avoid it if you feel the other.
What else is there to say?

>>making a bean politcal
What? All I said was avoid it if you're scared of it. Or don't if you're not. And that it's easily avoided if that is your choice. I didn't make any political statements at all.

[Anonymous No.10504069]

Well the biggest concentration of phytoestrogen is in hops, so better avoid all of those beer drinking onion lads. R-right..?

[Anonymous No.10504074]

>>10504059
Are you saying that a lobby doesn't have an agenda? Very confusing. I said that the soy lobby exists. Your response was "soy doesn't need a lobby". So are you denying it exists or that it has an agenda?

I don't even know how to respond. It seems like you wanna move goalposts on a topic you're clueless about. Soy lobbies exist. They obviously have an agenda. That is why lobbies exist. Why don't you type the term into google?

[Anonymous No.10504075]

>>10504050
>You're the one making broad assumptions and making a bean political.

actually this is american ignorance at its finest. before republicans and alt right personalities coined the term soyboy the average american didnt know shit about phytoestrogens now they think that phytoestrogen = oestrogen used in HRT and therefore eating soy would be bad.

[Anonymous No.10504081]

>>10504067
Why talk about food on a food board amirite?

[Anonymous No.10504083]

>>10503976
Because it can? I don't see how one proves the other.

[Anonymous No.10504085]

>>10504069
alcohol as a whole fucks up your hormones. it causes decreased test and fertility in men, phytoestrogens in hops are the least of your worries

[Anonymous No.10504088]

>>10504075
No one is saying anything like that. I've only referenced what health organizations are saying. Again, you're making this political because youre a partisan hack. I am not.

[Anonymous No.10504095]

>>10504081
You don't seem to be talking about food or cooking. Not in any practical sense.

You seem to be either trolling, or trying to discuss politics. At least that's all I see.

Want to talk food and cooking regarding soy? Chat about recipes for soy. Substitutions for soy if you want to avoid it. This just sounds like trolling at worst and off-topic at best.

[Anonymous No.10504101]

>>10504088
I knew it, I should stop drinking alcohol and eating nice food and then I'd procreate!

Thanks anon, I wish I'd have read your post sooner.

[Anonymous No.10504109]

>>10504088
its literally in the op. you could literally post the exact same thread on pol and you would hit the bump limit, its not about soy as a food in any way at all its about paranoia and taking advantage of gullible american idiots

[Anonymous No.10504112]

>>10504067
There are people in this very thread saying that there is no health issue to discuss despite peer reviewed evidence to the contrary so "we don't all know that"

[Anonymous No.10504116]

>>10504074
I think you’re just trying to straw man me here
My argument was that soy doesn’t need a lobby to force it into all of your foods, which was a direct response to the op
Then during our argument I asked you to prove what the agenda of the soy lobby is
You turned that around and said I didn’t believe in soy lobbies. No, I said big soy doesn’t exist and soy doesn’t need a lobby to be in basically everything because it’s useful from a capitalist perspective.

Again, I never said soy lobbies don’t exist, I said that soy doesn’t need a lobby to be in every.
Then I asked you to prove what the soy lobby’s agenda was.
You gave up because you’re too much of a loser to just not play into memes

[Anonymous No.10504117]

>>10504109
It is not in the OP though...

[Anonymous No.10504122]

>>10504112
What does that have to do with cooking?

Take it to pol or sci.

Any in a way, those people are right--there is no health issue to discuss, at least until there is a study (ideally multiple studies) concluding that there is.

[Anonymous No.10504130]

>>10504116
Let me simplify that.
There is a soy lobby. Its mission, like any lobby, is to promote its industry.
However, even if said lobby did not exist, soy would still be in many processed foods because it's a cheap ingredient that can be used to cater to the public's ever-growing demand for cheap food.

Whether the lobby exists or not is immaterial. Soy is a cheap raw ingredient that is used in many foods, and would be used in that capacity indipendant of a lobby; it sells on price alone.

[Anonymous No.10504138]

>>10504116
So are you saying soy lobbies exist for no reason and they don't have an agenda???

>>10504122
>don't talk about food when it means o have to admit I'm wrong
So you've gone from telling me I'm wrong to admitting that I'm right but off topic (even though this is a food board)?

Lol

[Anonymous No.10504146]

>>10503806
There's an easy fix for this.
DON'T BUY PREMADE FOODS. Cook with whole foods, and keep manufactured foods down to a bare minimum. There's no soy in those carrots, or greens, or pinto beans. Most meat has likely been fed soy, so that's just how it is. Buy wild caught fish and seafood only. Bake your own bread (It's way easier than you think). And when you do buy manufactured foods, READ THE INGREDIENTS. Soy in and of itself isn't bad for you. But anything can be harmful in excess.

[Anonymous No.10504148]

>>10504130
Whether the lobby exists or not is not the topic of the thread
The topic of the thread was “Big Soy lobbying to put soy into everything, despite there being no consumer benefit”
You’re just moving goalposts, nobody is arguing that soy doesn’t have a lobby
I am personally arguing against the notion that soy lobbies exist to put soy in everything because the reason soy is in everything is because it’s cheap and versatile. I laid all of this out in my first post. You’re the one who got off topic
Stop moving goalposts, you lost, stop responding, you’re an idiot

[Anonymous No.10504152]

>>10504148
Meant for >>10504138

[Anonymous No.10504178]

>>10503899
This. I don't care what side you're on, if you can't simply answer whether something is beneficial or harmful to consume in large quantities, you shouldn't promote it as a one size fits all health food, we shouldn't even be having the debate over whether it should be used as a filler in processed food, if there's even the slightest chance of negative effects, it should be dropped.

[Anonymous No.10504188]

>>10503806
So the Jews are actually pushing soy down our throats to turn us into democrat voting nu-males?

[Anonymous No.10504196]

What foods other than soy contains phytoestrogens?

[Anonymous No.10504197]

>>10503984
what did you expect from people in a thread like this

[Anonymous No.10504207]

>>10504138
I never stated you were wrong. My postion has always been:
Avoid it if you afraid of it
Or don't if you're not. End of story.

AND it's off topic.

[Anonymous No.10504210]

>>10504196
Flaxseed is the only one bigger than soy, and it’s bigger by a lot
But basically everything has some amount
Whole grains, coffee, it’s been said in this thread but hops
Just do some research

[Anonymous No.10504218]

It's bizarre to me that you fu/ck/s love to bitch about soy, but corn is just as fucking bad, has a massive fucking lobby, and is in just about fuckijg everything.

[Anonymous No.10504223]

>>10504218
Soy is bad because memes
Corn is bad because of actual reasons

[Anonymous No.10504227]

>>10504218
Also, nobody from /ck/ is bitching about soy
It’s all fucks from /tv/, /pol/, and /fit/ crossposting who came here because soy isn’t filtered

[Anonymous No.10504251]

>>10504227
this.

[Anonymous No.10504261]

>>10504227
what a bizarre accusation

[Anonymous No.10504284]

>>10504223
>2 things can't be bad

>>10504227
Imagine typing this

[Anonymous No.10504312]

>>10503806
Big Natural Foods is controlled by Amazon, the largest company in the world, so I think we know who to trust

[Anonymous No.10504322]

>>10504227
The soy's rotted your brain you delusional retard. How can someone seriously make a post like this lmao? Actual mental illness...

[Anonymous No.10504331]

>>10504188
Yes, sadly.

[Anonymous No.10504370]

>>10504227
So that's why we're seeing more of them. Great.

[Anonymous No.10504454]

I don't get how people constantly cry about corn but are perfectly fine with eating soy in everything.

[Anonymous No.10504504]

Actually, yeah, I look at soy as basically the new corn, a high-yielding multi-purpose cereal they want to shove into everything because it's cheap and filling. All backed up by a huge lobby, which this meme is giving a black eye whether it's true or not. It doesn't even need to be said to an American that they'd protect their product even if something was wrong with it because of how high the investment stakes are. Someone paid 10 million dollars to grow that 300 million dollars worth of soy and gosh darn it, you're going to eat it.

I wonder if it's as water hungry as corn? Corn farming has drained the midwestern aquifer to the point a second and more severe dust bowl is totally inevitable. If you have any money in corn, any midwestern crop or the continued normal operation of corn belt states like Iowa or Kansas I would just take it out now.

[Anonymous No.10504515]

This is some really stupid shit I'm reading right now. Internet memes aren't real life, if you said this shit to any normal person in real life, they'd think you're a raving lunatic.
Also why is anyone actually taking time to legitimately respond to this retard?

[Anonymous No.10504518]

>>10504454
Soy is natural.

[Anonymous No.10504548]

>>10504515
>the NIH is researching soy and phytoestrogens because they're retarded and post on 4chan
How about you just fucking kill yourself for being a stupid retard. Go take your mentally ill tranny thoughts to red.dit

[Anonymous No.10504557]

>>10504515
Imagine being angry because someone doesn't want to eat a bean fucking lol

[Anonymous No.10504571]

>>10504284
What are you even trying to imply with that first post?

[Anonymous No.10504648]

>>10504518
so is corn

[Anonymous No.10504667]

>>10504548
The NIH is researching soy because they get more money if they fearmonger about things that are ubiquitous than things that might actually be harmful.

[Anonymous No.10504678]

>>10504648
Corn is frankenfood. It's a genetically modified, cross bred freak of nature compared to what the wiser Native Americans ate (maize). Soy is much more natural

[Anonymous No.10504691]

>>10503942
>tfw very smart

[Anonymous No.10504724]

>>10504667
Even if this outrageous, outlandish assertion were true, it would still disprove the claim you were making. This might be the dumbest post in th-

>>10504678
Yikes. We've hit peak brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10505712]

>>10504454
Corn grows as high as an elephant's eye.
Soy makes toys of American boys.
The two are in no way comparable.

[Anonymous No.10505719]

>another thread massacre
Why don't the jannies just delete the whole thread instead of surgically banning half the posters? I'm tired of reading about soy anyway

[Anonymous No.10505732]

>>10503806
>And like it or not, the jury is out on its hormonal effects. Inconclusive evidence is still evidence.
You're just as retarded as falt-earthers. Get cancer.

[Anonymous No.10505741]

>>10503942
>actual adult with adult thoughts like me
>Alex Jones cuckold conspiracy
Pick one and only one

[Anonymous No.10505754]

>>10505741
Nobody buys the fucking supplements, man.