/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10203953]

what the fuck does keto even do

[Anonymous No.10203965]

>>10203953
It's starves your body of carbs so it's forced to burn excess fat to keep you alive.

[Anonymous No.10203993]

>>10203965
so if you eat nothing but meat (with zero carbs), that would kill you if you had no fat tissue?

[Anonymous No.10204019]

>>10203953
fries your liver and kidneys, acidifies the blood, makes you feel confused and gives you flu symptoms.

[Anonymous No.10204113]

>>10203965
And kills (starves to death) pathogenic bacteria which otherwise live in your ass and make you ill.

[Anonymous No.10204198]

High insulin is probably more damaging to your body than high blood sugar. Many people have hyperinsulinemia, an over production of insulin whenever they eat, and don't know it. It's the precursor to hyperglycaemia and diabetes, like HIV precedes full blown AIDS.

Keto diet is supposed to reduces the insulin in your blood and decrease insulin production whenever you do go back to eating carbs occacionally. And going into at least short periods of ketosis helps your mitochondria repair themselves. If it's true that cancer is a metabolic disease, not giving cancer its preferred food (carbs) is good, too.

[Anonymous No.10204203]

KERF

KETO EXCLUSIONARY RADICAL FOODIE

K E R F

[Anonymous No.10204219]

>>10203953
This is exactly what our ancestors ate, of course it's healthier than a diet of bread, sugar, cereal, pasta, rice, potatoes, grains, chemicals and aids.

[Anonymous No.10204231]

>>10203953
It allows people to be as obnoxious as vegans without giving up meat.

[Anonymous No.10204238]

>>10204219

[Anonymous No.10204276]

>>10204198
diabetes scares me but i love carbs. what are some good carb free breads?

[Anonymous No.10204289]

>>10204276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsfMYMEle8

[Anonymous No.10204299]

I've seen it get fatties into shape, help them learn how to listen to their bodies, and bring up their self esteem.

Keto is hard to do for a lifetime and I see it as a tool to help get you into a healthier state fast and then transition into paleo.

Also shows you how much of a fucking drug sugar is when people whine and cry about having to give up carbs for a week then fail day 3 and binge on junk.

[Anonymous No.10204303]

>>10203993
The idea is that you eat more fat and that makes up for any deficit you get from losing calories you were getting from carbs. The emphasis on keto is healthy fats from meat, nuts, oils, etc., protein is supposed to be somewhat restricted. Too much protein can spike insulin similarly to carbs.

Your body will always burn glucose from the carbs you eat or your own stored glycogen before it goes to body fat, which makes losing weight so difficult. Once your body gets acclimated to burning ketones from food, it will more easily dip into your own fat stores and make losing weight come easier.

[Anonymous No.10204305]

>>10204289
i checked sparkpeople.com for carb amounts in almond flour and wheat flour. neat. thanks.

[Anonymous No.10204310]

>>10204299
>and then transition into paleo.

i was gonna get mad but this is bait anyway

[Anonymous No.10204322]

>>10204310
At least give me a little bit of satisfaction, i'm lonely.

[Anonymous No.10204335]

>>10203993
Its actually dangerous if you are in a survival situation to only eat rabbit or other small game because their is little to no fat.

[Anonymous No.10204342]

>>10204219
your ancestors ate more bread, grains and shitty beer than even the fattest fucking american alive today

[Anonymous No.10204373]

>>10204342
Modern humans came into being 200,000 years ago. Older ancestors, millions of years. Bread has been around for 10,000 years. Shush.

[Anonymous No.10204379]

>>10204342
And had they dialed that shit back they might still be around instead of being dead as fuck

[Anonymous No.10204391]

>>10204379
Don't post pictures of bad bikes on my board

[Anonymous No.10204407]

Ketofags, please tell me why milk is unacceptable but CHEESE is fine?

>cheese is curdled milk

[Anonymous No.10204409]

>>10204373
>Bread has been around for 10,000 years

Yeah, and it has only benefited us

[Anonymous No.10204415]

>>10204409
Then why does it make my intestine bleed and ulcerate, and why are so many people gluten intolerant?

[Anonymous No.10204416]

>>10203953
why do people turn to stupid diets instead of just learning to eat certain things in moderation and exercising

[Anonymous No.10204423]

>>10204416
So they don't die from IBD, cancer, heart disease... yaknow, so they're not cucked by a shitty, mass-produced fagdiet of foods our bodies aren't designed to be fuelled by

[Anonymous No.10204430]

>>10204415
random genetic mutations that get passed onto future generations

[Anonymous No.10204432]

>>10204407
The cheese starter culture bacteria consume the milk sugar (lactose) and produce lactic acid as a byproduct. So the milk starts out with a bunch of carbs in the form of lactose, and the bacteria that make milk into cheese "eat" that lactose as part of the process.

[Anonymous No.10204437]

>>10204423
bread is a staple in the diet of poverty folk. US great depression era people ate a ton of bread because it was cheap and filling.

they lived, sadly. what say you now?

[Anonymous No.10204440]

>>10204019
>fries your liver and kidneys
Only long term.
>acidifies the blood
You're thinking ketoacidosis, faggot.
>makes you feel confused and gives you flu symptoms
This is called the keto flu, and is the reason why many fatasses quit the diet. What happens is they do the diet WRONG, and fail to get electrolytes and/or don't drink enough water. That's literally it.

[Anonymous No.10204443]

>>10204430
Nope. It's caused by modern diet causing overgrowth of pathogenic micro-organisms. Here's someone winning the nobel prize for proving it
https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2005/press.html
but do tell me more, I mean I've only been on the diet for 17 years every day and am hospitalised if I deviate even by accident, but I'll grab a pen, do tell, you're clearly a pro...

[Anonymous No.10204456]

>>10204437
Look into the prevalence of auto immune disease, especially intestinal disease, that's what I say.
Leaving the thread because I've had this argument a million times over decades, but the keyboard professors here sound painfully dumb, just so they know.

[Anonymous No.10204457]

>>10204276

https://www.ruled.me/low-carb-pepperoni-pizza/

[Anonymous No.10204464]

>>10204443
obama got a nobel peace prize for bombing children in syria

[Anonymous No.10204465]

>>10204219
Prehistoric humans ate a healthy diet of chasing prey thirty miles on foot until it dies of exhaustion with a side of fat people get eaten by wolves.
If bushes grew twinkies you'd lose weight foraging 25 square miles of them a day.

[Anonymous No.10204471]

>>10204464
No, he got it because he was the first black president. It was a token black kid moment. Purely virtue signalling.

[Anonymous No.10204474]

>>10204432
oh ok so are unsweetened nut milks acceptable?

[Anonymous No.10204476]

>>10204474
Yes, in moderation.

[Anonymous No.10204482]

>>10204465
And yet gaps.me, by biochemist, neurologist and nutritionist Dr Gotschall seems to prove you wrong. Weird.
Forgot this link, hence my not leaving you idiots to quabble. But here, BBC news a couple of weeks ago talking about how bread is giving people cancer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43064290
ok im out, or this thread will just piss me off

[Anonymous No.10204491]

>>10204476
>in moderation

gotcha! any food and diet is acceptable in moderation

[Anonymous No.10204502]

>>10204482
This has astonishingly little to with prehistoric humans being healthy because they were active.

[Anonymous No.10204503]

>>10204482
getting pissed off burns calories from your brain, please don't go

[Anonymous No.10204525]

>>10204415
By that logic lemons and oranges are also bad, as eating too many of them can cause the same issues

[Anonymous No.10204535]

>>10204482
That article is explicitly talking about "ultra-processed foods" though.

You seem to be misunderstanding whether it's the wheat or the chemical cocktail of preservatives and additives that causes a Poptart to give you cancer.

[Anonymous No.10204542]

If people used search engines, we pretty much would only have webm and McChicken threads, you people are retarded.

[Anonymous No.10204550]

>>10203953
Honestly it works but I think it works just because by nature it cuts out junk shit food and super terrible processed shit out of people's diets. So it's easier to feel full eating lower calories and really hard to overeat.

[Anonymous No.10204572]

>>10204542
This desu. It gets tiring explaining the same things over and over again.

[Anonymous No.10204574]

>>10203953
Keto is the latest meme diet that works by tricking stupid people into inadvertently switching to a low-calorie diet by following easily remembered rules.
It cuts out the most common high-calorie foods people eat without thinking.
That's it.

Ignore literally all pseudoscience about ketogenesis, fat burning, liver damage, blah blah blah.

[Anonymous No.10204578]

eat like this
>poorfag, can still afford really nice meat because no money spent on bread and sweets

[Anonymous No.10204579]

>>10204574
>latest
It has been around longer than you've been alive though. Just because you only just heard of it last month doesn't mean it's the "latest" thing.

[Anonymous No.10204588]

>>10204579
unfortunately it will still be around even after you've died from liver failure due to your gay meme diet, you nigger faggot

[Anonymous No.10204600]

>>10204579
Are you literally arguing semantics?

Alright how about this.
Keto is [an old] meme diet that works by tricking stupid people into inadvertently switching to a low-calorie diet by following easily remembered rules.
It cuts out the most common high-calorie foods people eat without thinking.
That's it.

Ignore literally all pseudoscience about ketogenesis, fat burning, liver damage, blah blah blah.


Better?

[Anonymous No.10204606]

>>10204600
Sure, but you missed the part where it was developed by the Mayo Clinic and is still pushed by doctors and nutritionists today. AKA people who AREN'T keyboard professors.

[Anonymous No.10204617]

>>10204606
>it was developed by the Mayo Clinic
>is still pushed by doctors and nutritionists today
citation needed

[Anonymous No.10204618]

>>10204391
You obviously dont know much about bikes

[Anonymous No.10204634]

>>10204617
>>it was developed by the Mayo Clinic
Who was Dr. Russel Wilder?
>>is still pushed by doctors and nutritionists today
Literally just ask.

[Anonymous No.10204638]

>>10204606
Alright you see the problem here is this:
You think that because Nutritionists recommend Keto to people that it's not a braindead simple diet for stupid people to follow that hides all the normal complexities of planning a diet behind easily followed rules.
When in reality Nutrtionists recommend Keto to people because it's a braindead simple diet for stupid people to follow that hides all the normal complexities of planning a diet behind easily followed rules.

Keto works because you don't eat 1500 calorie cakes, 2000 calorie bags of chips, 700 calorie glasses of chocolate milk, etc.

[Anonymous No.10204646]

went paleo because GOMAD made me hate milk and I already wasnt big on grains

[Anonymous No.10204659]

>>10204638
>he thinks the only people who do keto are fatasses with no self control when even UFC fighters, endurance racers, and bodybuilders are opting for it

[Anonymous No.10204679]

>>10204659
Nigger please, if Bruce Lee can feast on rice and Mike Tyson can eat bread and every football player ever loves pasta then I think you can let normal people keep eating their carbs.

[Anonymous No.10204683]

>>10204659
No I'm willing to bet UFC fighters, endurance racers and bodybuilders are actually following well formulated diets that precisely tracks everything from calorie intake to their macros which only happen to superficially resemble keto because they aren't shoveling oreos into their mouths.

[Anonymous No.10204691]

>>10204683
Maybe if you actually do your own research, you'd be able to confirm that.
>>10204679
Bruce Lee also died young.

[Anonymous No.10204706]

>have to tell militant vegans to fuck off
>now have to tell militant ketofags to fuck off as well

[Anonymous No.10204712]

>>10204691
Okay, let me rephrase that.
I know for a fact that UFC fighters, endurance racers and bodybuilders are actually following well formulated diets that precisely tracks everything from calorie intake to their macros which only happen to superficially resemble keto because they aren't shoveling oreos into their mouths.

Not that the average joe on keto is losing weight for the same reason as an Olympic Athlete on their keto-similar diet since if you were to eat the same diet as Magnus Magnusson while doing fuckall exercise you were still be fat.

[Anonymous No.10204722]

>>10204712
>Targeted Ketogenic Diet doesn't exist
You're just digging a deeper hole.

[Anonymous No.10204760]

>>10204722
Digging a deeper hole of what? I literally fucking agree with you that Keto works.

But a "targeted ketogenic diet" is just a fucking diet; it works because it meets your nutritional needs for what you're trying to attain with your body.
I also don't see professional athletes dodging cottage cheese or whole-wheat pasta because they actually need some understanding of why their diet works the way they need it to.

Don't fucking conflate OP's "Eat the food on this image to get thin" and targeted, tracked nutritional goals.

[Anonymous No.10204775]

>>10204276
Youd prolly have to try a bunch to see what you like.

[Anonymous No.10205320]

>>10204409
Irrelevant point. For the most part, we don't even make the good kind of bread they used to eat. Look at the people around you. The world is in a commerce-driven dietary disease crisis. These fucking refined wheat flours are total shit.

[Anonymous No.10206459]

>>10204303
This sounds exactly like the Atkins diet with a more scientific name.

[Anonymous No.10206461]

>>10204659
They don't do keto long term though because it fucks with their literal job. IIRC keto is almost entirely used to get into the targeted weight range for fighters and very low bf% for bodybuilders to compete. They don't stay on it.

The other use is indeed for fatasses who can't metabolise carbohydrates anymore (or to reduce seizures in some diseases but that's pretty irrelevant.

So, are you a professional athlete trying to compete or are you utterly insulin resistent? If no then keto is shit for you and any other diet with a hypocaloric intake does the same for weight loss but likely healthier.

[Anonymous No.10206463]

>>10204634
I'm a doctor, and I've never heard of it.

[Anonymous No.10206528]

>>10206463
Doesn't count unless you're a medical doctor, or have a doctorate in the natural sciences. Post stethoscope or microscope and timestamp, faggot.

[Anonymous No.10206531]

>>10203953
make you pretencious and more stupid than a child

[Anonymous No.10206534]

>>10205320
>Irrelevant point
nope. You are just closing your eyes and screeching at this point

[Anonymous No.10206538]

>>10206459
That's literally (literally) what it is.

[Anonymous No.10206565]

>>10206459
>>10206538
No, it is not. Even the induction phase is different, despite having the same goal.

[Anonymous No.10206567]

>>10203953
Supposed to make you go under ketosis for max gains

[Anonymous No.10206581]

>>10206531
>pretencious
You have the spelling ability of a child.

[Anonymous No.10206588]

>>10204440
>the diet works if you get it 100% perfect

so it has the exact same problems as every other diet, huh?

[Anonymous No.10206603]

>>10206588
You don't have to do it perfect. You just can't do it wrong. AKA, not doing that retarded butter drink, not doing bacon and eggs as your meal base, and not doing away with vegetables or nuts. It's easy as fuck to do the diet right, but people go in blind expecting EpicMealTime-tier bacon based meals and then go on to complain about how they feel sick.

[Anonymous No.10206605]

>>10204432
I keep trying to do Keto well, but giving up on milk is hard. Still, I noticed by not doing keto perfect it can still work pretty well. Eating only 1500 calories per day and not feeling hungry.

[Anonymous No.10206608]

>>10206605
You can always do something like unsweetened almondmilk. Sweeten it with stevia or erythritol if you really have to.

[Anonymous No.10206610]

>>10206603
>retarded butter drink
Are you referring to bulletproof coffee? I still wanted to try that once, but already figured it had to be some kind of meme.

[Anonymous No.10206619]

>>10206565
What is MCT?

[Anonymous No.10206624]

>>10204712
Endurance racers literally are shoveling anything into their mouths.

[Anonymous No.10206629]

>>10206619

Medium-chain triglyceride. Basically it's a type of fat that is metabolized at a similar rate as higher GI foods like carbs. It's typically extracted from coconuts and is fairly tasteless on it's own but has a way of amplifying the flavor of whatever you put it in.

It also boosts blood ketone levels

[Anonymous No.10206632]

>>10206610
Go ahead and try it desu, but use the real recipe. I was referring more to the people who start mixing butter into different things to up their fat intake. Bulletproof coffee is one of them, but when people do that they end up just putting butter in coffee and forgoing the other steps.

[Anonymous No.10206634]

>>10206624
I understood that tour the France cyclists stuff themselves with grains and pastas and very carbohydrate dense foods.

[Anonymous No.10206642]

>>10206634
Tbh you can either do that, or you can just drink/eat anything with glucose/sucrose to get readily available carbs. Candy works, like gummy bears or chocolate. Maple syrup works. Et cetera. Just gotta take it thirty minutes before.

[Anonymous No.10206646]

>>10206634
When I used to compete in triathalons id absolutely gorge on pasta the night before a race.
Carbs = Long Term Energy.

[Anonymous No.10206656]

>>10206646
That's wrong you retard. Carbohydrates are usually used for short term whereas fats are used for long term.

[Anonymous No.10206660]

>>10206656
Starchy carbs you fucking Idiot.

[Anonymous No.10206664]

>>10206656
>endurance athletes practice fat loading

[Anonymous No.10206666]

>>10206664
>implying that was remotely what I was saying
>>10206660
You could just as easily use a readily available source rather than a long term source.

[Anonymous No.10206682]

>>10204440
uhhh lol

why can't people just do pushups and squats inn their living room

[Anonymous No.10206684]

>>10206682
Some people don't have the room, others are too fat to be able to do them, and sometimes it's a combination of the two. That's where diets come in. Any other retarded questions?

[Anonymous No.10206690]

>>10206684
>my living room is too small to do push ups and squats
Fatties come up with the worst excuses.

[Anonymous No.10206693]

Can you do keto on a budget? I started trying to do it but I kept eating a ton of nuts and I spent over $250 a month. I barely even bought any meat because that's expensive as fuck too. I don't know what else to eat.

[Anonymous No.10206695]

>>10206690
Being fat is a form of mental retardation that lets you make excuses that justify whatever base impulses you have.

[Anonymous No.10206707]

>>10204491
>any food and diet is acceptable in moderation
Here have a cup of this

[Anonymous No.10206711]

>>10204219
>our ancestors ate bacon with coconut oil while chugging a bulletproof coffee down their fat fucking throats

Sure

[Anonymous No.10206714]

>>10203953
Makes you so sick and retarded you think youre on a magical diet for losing weight by inducing a caloric deficit

Its veganism for right wing retards

[Anonymous No.10206717]

>>10204574
It was originally developed to stop seizures in people with epilepsy. It can do that and all sort of other amazing things like cure diabetes. It's not a meme that relies solely on lower calorie intake.

[Anonymous No.10206721]

>>10206707
a dose of clorox every day keeps aids away

[Anonymous No.10206727]

>>10206690
Lad. Drop the elitism and realize that not everyone lives in decent sized places, or have enough room. Think about the standard 4chan user. Do you think they have a house, or live on their own? Chances are they live in their parents house, in a trailer, and/or with roommates in a shit tier place.

You also have to realize that with the substantially overweight, AKA 100lbs overweight, the variety of exercise decreases substantially. Pushups aren't as easy as you'd think, and squats won't make enough of a difference alone. The best course of action for an obese person is to slim down first, and then exercise. That way their heart doesn't explode and they don't get discouraged from getting a little winded.
>>10206695
Back to /fit/fast with you.
>>10206693
$250 is a perfectly normal amount to spend on any groceries, diet related or not. I average around $350 a month. If you're really that concerned about money, go shop at charity places, dented goods stores, or expired food stores like DinoTendies does.
>>10206711
Those are from the Reddit version of Keto.
>>10206714
It's not even just the calorie deficit. Keto suppresses hunger cravings, and in a lot of cases makes you dislike the crap you were probably shoveling into your piehole before the diet. In the "day break from keto" thread from earlier, the OP regretted eating cookies because he felt sick from it.

If you think keto makes you feel sick all the time, you're reading the posts by the retards who thought it was all bacon and butter. It's called the keto flu, and is easily avoidable by actually drinking water and eating vegetables.

[Anonymous No.10206741]

>>10206727
Our ancestors didnt do some california faggot momscience, they ate what they had available and that was mostly twigs, berries, nuts, leaves, and some game. There’s no historical or scientific basis behind keto being an ancestral diet or having a metabolic advantage. Even if our ancestors ate like that who gives a fuck? They werent paragons of health, their conditions aside.

[Anonymous No.10206744]

>>10206717
>It can do that and all sort of other amazing things like cure diabetes. It's not a meme that relies solely on lower calorie intake.
Hahaha what keto blog did you read? T2 can be "cured" by just losing weight even if it's the twinkie diet. And yes it literally works by creating a caloric deficit like any other weight loss diet. I mean if it helps you fine, go ahead and do it but don't act like it's some superior diet / lifestyle because it just isn't. It's barely even sustainable.

[Anonymous No.10206753]

>>10206741
I never said our ancestors did keto, which by the way is actually from Illinois. But they did probably have a higher intake of fat and protein than carbs. Berries, nuts, and leaves don't have that many carbs in the amounts they probably ate.

The only reason to even look at how they ate is for the same reasons paleo-tards try to mimic the eating patterns of early humans from frigging 2.6 million years ago. To get some idea of what the human digestive system was built for. That isn't to say early humans and modern humans have anything in common anymore in that regard, but it is still interesting information nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.10206757]

>>10206717
>>10206744
Oh by the way there's a long history of a white rice diet reversing diabetes type 2 as well. 80%+ carbohydrates, the exact opposite of keto. People need to realise that fats and carbs serve a purpose and that any extreme diet is retarded.

[Anonymous No.10206760]

>>10206744
Keto is perfectly sustainable if you aren't retarded about it. Treat it like any other weight loss diet, rather than some magical meme diet of bacon and lard that cures cancer. Eat a balanced diet, take multivitamins if needed, and if it works for you, it works.

[Anonymous No.10206776]

>>10206753
>which by the way is actually from Illinois
Made a mistake here, my bad. The ketogenic diet was developed and studied extensively at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota by Russel Wilder, Clifford Barborka, and Mynie Peterman using the research reports by Woodyatt. Peter Huttenlocher created the variety with MCT oil.

[Anonymous No.10206801]

>>10206744
It can cure type 1

[Anonymous No.10206806]

>>10206801
No it can't, the fuck. Once the beta cells seppuku they're gone. Keto is just avoiding the symptoms.

[Anonymous No.10206869]

>>10204760
>I literally fucking agree with you
Damn right you do bitch.

[Anonymous No.10206875]

>>10203953
>Green Vegetables
>Cheese
lol wut

[Anonymous No.10206889]

>>10206875
Both are part of the keto diet. What is confusing you?

[Anonymous No.10206972]

>>10206801
durr the only way to cure type 1 is a pancreatic islet transplant. and there's only ~3500 donors a year, and you might need two transplants, and you still might have to take insulin, and if the surgery works, you get to trade in all your diabetes routines and medicine for all the routines and medicines associated with being immuno-supressed.

[Anonymous No.10207950]

>>10204299
>transition into paleo

apex kek

[Anonymous No.10207957]

>>10203953
It forces you to suffer from ketoacidosis. Great idea, guys. Maybe you would lose weight even quicker if you caugh AIDS!

[Anonymous No.10208011]

I don't know why so many people are treating Keto like some sort of miracle diet where you shove fistfuls of bacon and cheese into your face and lose weight. What it really does is help keep you sated and without the carbs and blood sugar spikes makes it a lot easier to maintain a calorie deficit

[Anonymous No.10208091]

>>10204423
Oh fuck yeah I was riddled with cancer but after cutting out bread I fully recovered.

Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.10208097]

>>10204303
>healthy fats from meat
Outside of fish, meat isn't really known for having healthy fat.

[Anonymous No.10208113]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608
>CONCLUSION:

The isocaloric [ketogenic diet] was not accompanied by increased body fat loss but was associated with relatively small increases in EE that were near the limits of detection with the use of state-of-the-art technology.
In terms of effectiveness, keto is no better than any other diet of the same calorie content. The one advantage it may have is that it's easier to stick to, since you still get to eat fatty foods that lots of fat people are addicted to, but is more satiating than sugary foods.

[Anonymous No.10208179]

>Hurts your liver
What? I was doing Keto because I got diagnosed with Fatty Liver Disease (I was a bit of an alcoholic). Really helped me get back to normal.

[Anonymous No.10208193]

>>10208097
by 1990s science maybe

[Anonymous No.10208276]

>>10206695
>Being fat is a form of mental retardation
fucking kek

I'm stealing that

[Anonymous No.10208369]

>>10208097
Apparently the new info is that saturated fats are the ones good for you, i.e. meat and butter. Bad ones are transfats and some polyunsaturated fats like omega-6.

[Anonymous No.10208387]

>>10208369
What the fuck. Literally the opposite, dietary cholesterol is pretty much cleared and sat fats are bad since they increase LDL. Omega 6s are essential and the problem is the ratio to omega 3s.

[Anonymous No.10208438]

>>10208387
Hey I'm just repeating what le based Chinaman told me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y

[Anonymous No.10208440]

>>10208369
>>10208387
The research actually shows that saturated fat in moderation could be beneficial to cardiovascular health, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Saturated fat in excess shows a definitive effect on LDL.

[Anonymous No.10208451]

>>10208276
>Morpheus drinkin a 40 in a death basket

[Anonymous No.10208461]

>>10208438
And there's the youtube video by the retard Fung. That's the guy who got called out over twitter/facebook for manipulating facts and fucked off if I remember correctly. Go away with your meme doctors.

>>10208440
Well yeah in quite small amounts. Had also positive effects on hormonal balance I think. Almost everybody eats too much of those so you're very likely better off cutting some out.

[Anonymous No.10208652]

>>10208179
Most people on this board spew shit on the keto subject. They just don't want to feel bad about being addicted to sugar.

[Anonymous No.10208657]

>>10208091
Lolololll, being obese increases your risk of cancer. Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.10208951]

>>10204679
>If athletes whose diets i actually know nothing about apart from when the were shown on TV can eat trash food so can i!
>Never mind these same athlete burned probably hundreds to thousands of kilojoules per day on account of them being peak athletes, i can eat like they do!
Come on now. I'm not even against carbs but they are generally energy dense and not great for you. For the average Joe cutting back on the is in their best interest.

[Anonymous No.10208978]

>>10208276
While he's memeing hasn't there be a suggested correlation between obesity and mental illness? Anorexia and bulimia are in the DSM i think why shouldn't obesity be? It's just the opposite end of the same struggling scale.

[Anonymous No.10208988]

>>10208978
Of course there's a psychological aspect of some obese cases. People who eat for pleasure (sexual mostly), or as a coping mechanism, are often described as mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.10209012]

>>10208951
>carbs = trash

I hope keto is scientifically proven to cause liver failure so I can visit you on your death bed and eat buttered popcorn.

[Anonymous No.10209027]

>>10209012
If the keto doesn't the booze will. You owe me one bedside death date, no take backsies.

[Anonymous No.10209028]

>>10204416
Because they're morons. The reason keto works for some people is because bread and shit is higher calories for less food. You cut that out, you can eat more and dieting is easier.

Losing weight is literally making sure you're burning more calories per day than you eat. If anyone tells you it's more complex than that, they're trying to sell you something or they're retarded. I lost 80 pounds eating fast food burgers and pasta and everything else that these people are scared of because I started eating it in moderation and being more active. I still to this day don't eat salad.

[Anonymous No.10209032]

YOU DONT MAKE FRIENDS WITH KETO
YOU DONT MAKE FRIENDS WITH KETO
YOU DONT MAKE FRIENDS WITH KETO

[Anonymous No.10209160]

>>10206534
Firstly, I'm not that guy. I only chimed in to point out the weakness of your argument. The breads humanity baked for the past thousands of years are not nutritionally equivalent to the breads we bake now. The difference is in the flour. Most bread flour used in baking now is refined. The germ and bran is removed in the milling process, leaving only the endosperm. This is done to increase the shelf life, but it also changes the way it is metabolized by the human body. Bread was once a slow carb. Bread is now a fast carb. Eating it as a nutritional staple will cause health problems for most people. It is shit. It is cake. It is a commercially-driven practice.

[Anonymous No.10209251]

>>10203953
>No rice
Danger! Danger! Paleface Detected!

[Anonymous No.10209367]

Doing the Bulletproof diet
Contrary to what y'all would believe, I eat a lot more vegetables than meat or cheese, and that's what the diet actually teaches
Also Bulletproof coffee is filling as fuck
I'm less hungry and don't crave carbs or junk food as much. I do occasionally break down and eat too much Taco Bell, but that's more habitual (it was always my emotional-eating destination). I always feel gross and disgusting afterwards.

[Anonymous No.10209418]

>>10206528
What did you fucking say about me you little bitch? I'll have you know I am a doctor that graduated at the top of my class at Johns Hepburns University and work as a researcher at the Aioli Clinic.
I've never heard of your so-called "keytoe" diet and if it was at all relevant I would be aware of it.

[Anonymous No.10209559]

>>10207957
>being this retarded

[Anonymous No.10209586]

>>10208440
Yeah but as the standard LDLC test doesn't actually measure LDL (it just makes assumptions based on non-HDL cholesterol readings), LDL results don't really tell you shit. If you use a LDLP test, which counts the ApoA particles, the LDL reading actually means something.

[Anonymous No.10209616]

>>10209367
sounds like what I do except I'm just too cheap to make the coffee. I just take mine black with a fedora tip and what little savings I have.

[Anonymous No.10209622]

>>10209367
What are the differences between the bulletproof diet and the standard ketogenic diet?

[Anonymous No.10209934]

>>10204303
don't trigger /fit/tards saying that

[Anonymous No.10209947]

>>10203953
Makes you a brainlet, carbs fuel the mind.

[Anonymous No.10209960]

>>10209947
Ketosis causes the body to adapt and use ketones to fuel the mind. But you'd know that if you weren't a sugar sucking noodle nipper.

[Anonymous No.10209967]

>>10209960
Nope

[Anonymous No.10210012]

>>10209967
>La la la la la I can't hear you
Alright then, rigatoni rapist.

[Anonymous No.10210019]

Why are people so angry about what other people eat? It's their fucking life, not yours

[Anonymous No.10210026]

>>10210012
My high carb and water diet is what gives me enhanced cognitive ability

[Anonymous No.10210028]

>>10209947
>>10209967
When in dietary ketosis, the liver converts fats to glucose to supply the brain energy. I believe MCT's can cross the blood-brain barrier as well. Is there a doc around that can confirm whether or not MCT's can be used directly by brain cells for energy?

[Anonymous No.10210051]

>>10210028
Look into the research of Peter Huttenlocher. MCT's are amazing for it.

[Anonymous No.10210059]

>>10210028
The neurological benefit of a brain fueled by glycogenesis is that it sidesteps insulin-dependent metabolism and fluctuating blood glucose levels. Fluctuation of blood glucose levels, even within normal ranges, absolutely does impair cognitive function.

[Anonymous No.10210089]

>>10204113
Underrated comment. So much this. Before I went on keto, I had constant massive gas. Like, have to leave the office repeatedly all afternoon to fart. On keto, I hardly ever get any gas; the only times are either after eating a massive amount of broccoli or when I cheat and have some carbs.

[Anonymous No.10210104]

>>10210059
In other words: if you eat a lot of simple carbohydrates, your blood glucose is going to experience a mini crash every 3-6 hours and make you dopey and kind of spaced out until you eat snacks. This does not happen in dietary ketosis.

[Anonymous No.10210109]

>>10209622
To be honest, I'm not sure. The dude who made the diet was a little autistic about the possibility of mold spores in food. Bulletproof also advocates for more vegetables than the standard "keto" diet. It's more like a 70 to 30 vegetable to meat ratio.

I don't really care if the "science" behind it is bullshit. It makes me feel good. I'm sure I would lose weight if I ate like, a Twinkie a day. But I've tried to count calories without changing my dietary habits and I invariably end up feeling like shit and relapsing. I go on this diet, and I feel pretty good.

[Anonymous No.10210118]

>>10204443
>Nope. It's caused by modern diet causing overgrowth of pathogenic micro-organisms. Here's someone winning the nobel prize for proving it
>https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2005/press.html
Except that that Nobel was for nothing like what you claimed. It was for proving that ulcers were caused by H. pylorii rather than "stress". Ulcers have nothing to do with a carbohydrate-rich diet.

[nekuro No.10210135]

the boe jogan

[Anonymous No.10210136]

>>10204471
He got it for "not being George W. Bush". Then he turned out to be even worse than Bush.

>>10204574
Fine, so you mean to say it works? Great, sounds like a plan.

[Anonymous No.10210178]

>>10206463
Know what they call the chick who finished at the bottom of her medical school class? "Doctor".

[Anonymous No.10210185]

>>10206603
>not doing bacon and eggs as your meal base
What's wrong with bacon and eggs? I have that two or three times a week.

[Anonymous No.10210196]

>>10210185
I meant like using bacon and eggs in everything they make, or having it multiple times a day. The base of their diet revolving around it.

[Anonymous No.10210233]

>>10203953
>no beans
Green beans are fine, they have about the same carb density as broccoli.

[Anonymous No.10210239]

>>10210233
This desu. Green beans are alright. A surprising amount of vegetables are.

[Anonymous No.10210241]

>>10204113
What are probiotics?

[Anonymous No.10210258]

>>10210233
As usual, whomever made that infographic is semi-retarded. The no beans icon looks very much like a pea pod. Although green beans do contain tiny little beans (legumes), the entire pod, commonly eaten whole is very low in carbohydrates for its mass. Ok, so did or did not the artist not understand that "beans" means legumes, separate from their pods? If he did, why wouldn't he have drawn a more iconic legume like a red kidney bean? The fact that it looks like a pea is even more confusing because peas are so high in sugar that even with the pods, eating them would not be a good idea for a ketogenic diet. Not to mention that anyone who takes his dietary advice from an infographic is retarded by default.

[Anonymous No.10210259]

>>10208369
>the new info
There's many decades of research to consider. Newer studies compiling selected observational research isn't considered strong evidence.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/Nutrition/Frequently-Asked-Questions-About-Saturated-Fats_UCM_463756_Article.jsp#.WpTrBHxG2Uk
>Q: A recent study said saturated fat and heart disease may not be so closely related. Is this study wrong?
>A: A report appeared in the Annals of Internal Medicine that raised questions about the saturated fat-heart disease link. However, that report has been heavily criticized by experts in the scientific community and the authors have issued several corrections and explanations. Technically, the report compared 20 previously published studies and concluded that evidence does not support guidelines that encourage low intake of saturated fatty acids. Critics of the report also say the authors misinterpreted the conclusions of several studies.

It's just random internet quacks trying to cite faulty studies to trick laypeople into thinking science says saturated fat rich foods are healthy now. There's no serious scientific upset about this though.

[Anonymous No.10210279]

>>10210185
>what's wrong with processed meat, saturated fat, and cholesterol?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989358/
> dietary cholesterol increased susceptibility of LDL to oxidation by 37% (21) in one study and by 39% in another (22). The latter study was performed with cooked egg yolks fed for periods of 32 days. The second issue is that the consumption of more than 140 mg dietary cholesterol in a single meal markedly increases postprandial lipemia (23). Third, dietary cholesterol potentiates the adverse effects of dietary saturated fat (the bacon and egg effect)

[Anonymous No.10210309]

>>10204588
Imagine being this much of a a mad ass dickhole

[Anonymous No.10210368]

Thread full of lame fuckers
Best thing is you guys dont have a leg to stand on
Jews got you guys by the balls
What is the newest "health" crazy
Cmon im really interested
You guys suck but at least you have been proven to swallow

[Anonymous No.10210421]

>>10204679
Football players are fat as fuck

[Anonymous No.10210462]

>>10203993
This is literally how Christopher McCandless died.

[Anonymous No.10210469]

>>10204415
Because you're weak.

[Anonymous No.10210493]

>>10204342
They also worked in fields or some shit for like 12+ hours a day

[Anonymous No.10210518]

Is everyone taking crazy pills or are they needlessly making dieting and weight loss complicated?

I've been dieting for 5 months, and i've lost 40 pounds? What's the secret? Fucking calorie deficit. That's it. No macro restrictions or any of that bullshit. I ate whatever i want.

Just count calories. You can eat nothing but cheeseburgers and still lose weight.

[Anonymous No.10210767]

>>10210518
Thing about diet pushing Ketosis, is that they're supposedly mostly aimed at people who are already pretty lean and are trying to get their bf% even lower.

I lost my fair share of weight with just calorie deficit and less processed food, but to me it sounds like Ketosis might be a good solution for bodybuilders, based on what I've read about it online.

Personally, I'll stick to Paleo or Mediterranean diets which seem balanced to me and more healthy in the long run.

[Anonymous No.10211187]

>>10210462
Christopher McCandless literally just starved to death because he was an incompetent survivalist.

[Anonymous No.10211381]

>>10209028
It's because you don't understand the science behind keto lol. There's a reason doctors suggest this diet for certain people, and why other people think it great. Sure you can lose weight by eating in moderation, but that doesn't work for everyone.

>I still to this day don't eat salad
Wut...

[Anonymous No.10211410]

>>10210279

>No other dietary control or measuring other than egg yolks

This study belongs in the trash.

[Anonymous No.10211435]

>>10203953
shrimp shramp shrump

[Anonymous No.10211438]

>>10210279
Trash. Fucking educate yourself.

[Anonymous No.10211475]

>>10210462
Completely false. One of the few things McCandless took into the wilderness with him was a gigantic 50lb bag of rice.

[Anonymous No.10211477]

>>10210462
False. One of the few things McCandless took into the wilderness with him was a 10lb bag of rice.

http://www.christophermccandless.info/into-the-wild-essays/kevin-wikland-intothewild.html

[Anonymous No.10211796]

>>10203953
Sugar isn't good for you.
Keto is a way to trick neckbeards into eating less sugar.

There are also some current memes about 'inflammation' and 'auto immune responses' from eating carbohydrates, not just sugar, for some people.

[Anonymous No.10211815]

>>10208461
>the retard Fung
stay fat nigger

[Anonymous No.10211831]

>>10204574
>psuedoscience
Wow you're right the only thing ever written about nutrition was calories calories out and there's no such thing as metabolism

[Anonymous No.10211841]

>>10203953
Looks like the no carb diet from the 90s rebranded with milk/beans/corn taken out of the picture, and a dumb new name.

It's a meme diet...eat your onions.

[Anonymous No.10211843]

>>10211796
I love that inflammation meme, it shows an utter lack of understanding what that term even means.

[Anonymous No.10211850]

>>10203993
Yes, that's commonly referred to as rabbit starvation, from people dying from only eating lean meats from rabbit and other wild game.

[Anonymous No.10211938]

>>10211843

if you dont think inflammation is real your silly man. inflammation is the cause of most problems in your body in one form or another. now what is getting in flamed, how diet effects that, and how the inflammation effects you is all up for debate but dont act like its not a huge factor in your health. like gluten is fine for you if its fine, but if it causes gut inflammation it is a problem. you can still live like that but it will cause other problems in your body that you wont even notice until you cut it out.

i havent had this experience with gluten but with dairy i dont eat gluten either but i dont really notice any difference from that its just a by product of not eating carbs

[Anonymous No.10212018]

>>10211938
>if you dont think inflammation is real your silly man. inflammation is the cause of most problems in your body in one form or another.
I never said that though. I was just laughing at the CARBS=INFLAMMATION thing people have been writing about recently because it's just retarded. Everything you eat has to be digested which causes some inflammation.

[Anonymous No.10212117]

>>10211410
>baseless accusation

[Anonymous No.10212122]

>>10211796
>sugar isn't good for you
>better eat a diet of bacon and lard instead

[Anonymous No.10212154]

High-ranking keto-vegan here. Ask me anything :^)

[Anonymous No.10212181]

>>10203953
cant be arsed to read this whole thread.

should i be eating a steak every day or is keto just occasional meat with a bunch of pussy vegetables?

[Anonymous No.10212392]

>>10212181
Just a small amount of meat for the protein. It's mostly about eating (preferably) raw vegetables topped with grated coconut oil or butter.

[Anonymous No.10212622]

>>10212154
What is your rank?

[Anonymous No.10212676]

>>10212622
just before his death L Ron promoted me to "loyal officer."
i have also taken the title "protector of cats"

[Anonymous No.10213453]

>>10212154
wish i could look like this
unfortunately i'm not a woman

[Anonymous No.10213459]

>>10204578
that's a snack, 500kcal max
unless you eat 5 of those a day, you're gonna starve and quit

[Anonymous No.10213496]

>>10211841
Keto was around 70 years prior to that.
>>10212122
>taking getting your diet knowledge from /fit/
Keto is more than just bacon and lard. It's HEALTHY fats. Avocados, nuts, etc. Protein is adjusted based on activity level, and you can get up to around 1.5 g/kg and still be on keto. You can ultimately get more protein than fat, as long as the calories from fat are higher. Things like bacon are terrible for that, as it's so comparatively low in calories to more healthy fats.
>>10213459
I'd say 700 calories max, and if you think that's just a snack you're a fucking fatass.

[Anonymous No.10213578]

Am I doing keto right, lads? I haven't read any meme studies or blogs, I've just been copying my extended family's diet that made them drop a crazy amount of weight since the new year (not an amerifat so not obese though.)

>2 boiled eggs with olive oil
>meat and veggies
>salad with nuts
>fish (usually salmon)

What can I improve?

[Anonymous No.10213589]

>>10213578
That's a pretty good diet. Basically what I've been doing. My only suggestion is to drink more water if you haven't already been (like 3l at least) and take a multivitamin a day just to make sure. Multivitamins are a good idea on any diet.

[Anonymous No.10213737]

>>10203953
Its for contemptuous fat people who want to stay thin or lose weight without going to the gym

It leaves you feeling tired all the time

[Anonymous No.10213756]

>>10213589
multivitamins are useless, you just pee them out. You have to get vitamins from actual food sources.

[Anonymous No.10213763]

It's a fast way to lose weight that you gain back in 2 weeks when you step off the program. If I didn't get the the Keto flu so bad, I may have started to do it more often.

I don't know why more women don't go on it. If they're worried about "losing weight" for the wedding or prom or photos, it's so easy.

[Anonymous No.10213941]

>>10213756
You pee out excess and quick release multivitamins. Extended release works perfectly.
>>10213737
>leaves you feeling tired all the time
Actually, it might for the first week or two but then you get a nice energy boost. I actually feel better on keto than I ever did on a Mediterranean diet.
>>10213763
Electrolytes and water are the key to killing the keto flu. Only part of it I had was bad breath thanks to help from my brother getting started. The weight you lose in the first week or two tends to be water weight, and when you step off the program the increased carb intake causes water swelling. Any fat loss is still lost, but you can very easily gain back around 20lbs from water weight.

[Anonymous No.10214189]

>>10203993
Yes. It's actually a problem for survalists and subsistances communities (eg, inuits) that don't have reliable agriculture.

[Anonymous No.10214798]

You have to actually fast to enter ketosis, dumbasses

[Anonymous No.10214881]

>>10214798
You actually don't, dingleberry. It can shave a day off the time it takes to do so though.

[Anonymous No.10214888]

>>10214881
desu I never put that much effort into the idea, all I know is it's really difficult to get into ketosis while still eating regularly

[Anonymous No.10215100]

>>10214888
Every time I fuck it up, I find the fastest, easiest way to restart is to fast for a day, followed by the strict 20g carb limit for a couple days. Then after three days I can go back up to my my threshold of like 40-50g of crabs to get more nuts and vegetables inside me. If you do it long enough you get good at figuring out what works for yourself.

[Anonymous No.10215480]

>>10215100
I back this.
I'd fast too but I'm 6'2" 135lbs so it might actually be medically dangerous for me

[Anonymous No.10215550]

>>10215480
>135lbs
Why the hell would you bother with keto?

[Anonymous No.10215562]

>>10215100
>40-50g of crabs
On the topic of metabolism...

[Anonymous No.10215580]

>>10215100
Really tempted to pop up to 50g carbs to get more variety in my diet, but I'm worried it would kill my progress so far. Currently at 20g.

[Anonymous No.10215603]

I have type 1 betus and it's worked great for me

[Anonymous No.10215676]

>>10204303
This is wrong. The point of a Keto diet is to force your body into obtaining energy through Ketosis instead of glycolysis. Ketosis is a process where you body burns fat (dietary fat or body fat stores) into energy. In ketosis, you produce ketones not burn them. Your body does this when glucose levels are low. Your body does this to produce glucose so that you do not go into a hypoglycemic coma and die.
In order to lose weight, you must undergo ketosis. To maintain a healthy weight, you should undergo both ketosis and glycolysis through out the day. For healthy people, the switch to keytosis is the "signal" that you are hungry.

[Anonymous No.10215848]

>>10215603
Same. How much less insulin do you take now? My basal is 30% lower, and I very rarely bolus dose anymore. Pretty neat. Suck it, Big Pharma.

[Anonymous No.10216051]

>>10215676
>In order to lose weight, you must undergo ketosis. To maintain a healthy weight, you should undergo both ketosis and glycolysis through out the day. For healthy people, the switch to keytosis is the "signal" that you are hungry.
Ahah now that's bullshit. 99.9% of people (in the first world) will never go into ketosis in their entire life.

[Anonymous No.10216226]

>>10216051
>going into ketosis without trying

if they're not trying why would they go into it? amerilards cant even into lettuce

[Anonymous No.10216236]

>>10204203
underrated

>>10204231
equally so

[Anonymous No.10216334]

I drank a beer yesterday and now my fingers are so swollen I can barely type. How bad did I fuck up? How do I get back to keto fast? Should I fast?

[Anonymous No.10216710]

>>10216334
see >>10215100

[Anonymous No.10216742]

>>10215676
>you should undergo both ketosis and glycolysis through out the day. For healthy people, the switch to keytosis is the "signal" that you are hungry.
Bro science to the max. Hunger is controlled by a hormone called grelin, which in turn responds to your insulin levels. When insulin drops after a meal the grelin rises in preparation for a new meal and causes you to become hungry.
On average it takes 72 hours for someone to properly enter ketosis, and by that time the hunger pangs have usually subsided or stopped altogether.

[Anonymous No.10216769]

>>10206682
>why can't people just do pushups and squats inn their living room
>Implying this will lead to weightloss
>Implying this even qualifies as exercise
I am really tempted to post one of those braindead wojak memes right now

[Anonymous No.10216778]

>>10206744
Carbs elicit an insulin response and effectively hampers weightloss, a diet based on fats, some protein and leafy greens does not trigger anywhere near the same amount of insulin response and thus help you lose weight.

[Anonymous No.10217182]

>>10216778
Caloric deficit causes weight loss no matter which diet. What macronutrients you're eating is pretty irelevant. Insulin is not your enemy.

[Anonymous No.10217461]

>>10216051
You are really dumb. Ketosis is the process of converting fat to energy. You can not lose body fat without converting it to energy unless you get lipo / surgery.

[Anonymous No.10217680]

>>10217461
Ketosis isn't even a process, it's a state. The process is called ketogenesis and it only occurs when you've been fasting for ~72 hours. That process is what makes ketones, which are usually never in use (I mean more than like 0.01 nM).

You ketotards are so clueless it's hilarious. No wonder you're clinging to such a shittty diet. Guess what, even when you're eating normally your body is constantly storing and using fat at the same time and if you are in a hypocaloric state it will use more than it stores which means you will lose fat. There's no direct connection between weight loss and ketosis.

[Anonymous No.10217687]

>>10217680
I guess you don't need to fast to get into ketosis but there's a reason that's usually recommended as it's the fastest way so whatever.

[Anonymous No.10217890]

Not really sure about the details of it, but my sister started it in January and is literally 25 lbs down, and counting. Pretty proud of her.

[Anonymous No.10217916]

>>10217890
It's a calorie deficit, anon.
Nothing to do with ketosis.

[Anonymous No.10218013]

>>10217182
Insulin is your biggest enemy, it will slow or even stop ketosis and tell your body to maintain bodyfat. Insulin is used to create fat from excess energy, it also stops you from breaking it down.
You can't circumvent thermo dynamics so you'll obviously still lose weight, but with a carby diet or otherwise having frequent insulin spikes through out your diet will cause you to lose more weight in areas you want to maintain, muscle mass, organ mass etc. If insulin hampers ketosis and slows breakdown of fat the body will make up for it by breaking down more protein elsewhere instead.

[Anonymous No.10218101]

>>10218013
>exess
Stop overeating and you're fine, period. You're talking like fat loss is impossible without ketosis, that carbs and insulin are the enemy and that any other deficit will eat up muscles (or organ mass xd). What the fuck is this brainwashing? Such a stupid fad that started like 10 years ago and now it has actually become a huge trend. God damn even a quick wikipedia read would tell you it's bullshit.

Also by the way, during ketosis gluconeogenisis provides the constant blood sugar level which literally means burning protein 24/7. It's not that much but way more than on any normal diet with a caloric deficit.

[Anonymous No.10218247]

>>10218101
>You're talking like fat loss is impossible without ketosis
I am not, you obviously haven't read my post. What I am trying to say is that a ketogenic low insulin diet is far more efficient at helping with weightloss. This is not even counting in the countless other benefits of keeping insulin low, like increased autophagy and a series of health benefits for anyone suffering from insulin related illness like inflammation, diabetes and so on.
Keeping insulin low keeps fat oxidation high, which in turn keeps actually raises your metabolism, which means you'll keep losing weight.
Eating carbs like a retard will cause insulin to spike, fat burning will be impeded, the body will in turn down regulate the metabolism. Eating low calorie, low protein, no carb keto or outright fasting is a far superior way to lose weight to your idea of "eat whatever you want just less".

>If you’re trying to lose weight, then a ketogenic diet is one of the best ways to do it, because it helps access your body fat so that it can be shed. Obese people in particular can benefit from this method. In one study, obese test subjects were given a low-carb ketogenic diet and a low-fat diet. After 24 weeks, researchers noted that the low-carb group lost more weight (9.4 kilograms) compared to the low-fat group (4.8 kilograms).1
http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/717451/low-carbohydrate-ketogenic-diet-versus-low-fat-diet-treat-obesity

[Anonymous No.10218261]

>>10218101
>Also by the way, during ketosis gluconeogenisis provides the constant blood sugar level which literally means burning protein 24/7. It's not that much but way more than on any normal diet with a caloric deficit.
Again not true, a deficit will result in lowered metabolism which will result in down regulation of protein synthesis and muscle preservation, by avoiding carbs and large amounts of protein your body will enter ketosis, upregulate the metabolism, hgh production, and maintain more amino acids through the use of ketones. You'll lose less muscle eating nothing in a state of ketosis than eating a deficit with carbs.

[Anonymous No.10218324]

>>10203953
fucks your organs up.

[Anonymous No.10218349]

>>10218247
>What I am trying to say is that a ketogenic low insulin diet is far more efficient at helping with weightloss
Literally wrong though. There are isocaloric weight loss studies showing no difference at all. The most recent one found a tiny increase BMR which was pretty negligible. Insulin spikes are natural and perfectly fine what the fuck. The only problem comes from fat fucks getting insulin resistent.

That study just shows that obese people found it easier to stick to the high fat diet compared to a normal diet (less than 30% from fat is hardly low fat). Which is understandable since most of those are probably at least prediabetic.

>>10218261
What? That makes literally no sense. Ketosis hardly upregulates metobolism at all, that's a shitty myth that has not been proven. You're talking out your butt here. And it's literally true that gluconeogenisis is what keeps the glucose level.

What you are saying is, that dieting as it has always been done before the invention of high fat diets (because they weren't a thing unless recently) do not work which is plain wrong. Next you'll say that starvation mode is a thing when that's just pseudoscientific shit.

[Anonymous No.10218396]

>>10218247
>>10218349
Oh and inflammation is not just caused by insulin, that's another shitty meme. Anything you eat causes inflammation just by digestion. High fat meals also showed massive increases in inflammation markers, more so than high carbohydrate meals actually (been some time, I'd have to search the evidence again). Antioxidents are also mostly found in carb heavy foods (or more specifically plants, vegetables, fruits, berries and so on. Nuts are also good.)

In the end it all comes down to "don't eat too much".

[Anonymous No.10218418]

>>10218349
>Ketosis hardly upregulates metobolism at all
Fasting till you enter ketosis will upregulate your metabolism by 10%
Compare that to a deficit carb diet that might lower your metabolism by 25% and you have a significant difference in weightloss potential.

>that dieting as it has always been done
It has always been done through fasting. Fasting is thousands of years older than your notion of dieting, which rather resembles a starving community during drought.

>Next you'll say that starvation mode is a thing when that's just pseudoscientific shit.
I don't care for semantics, but a zero carb and preferably zero calorie fast will increase metabolism, increase muscle retention, increase energy, reduce hunger, cause faster and more efficient loss of fat and drastically impact positive hormonal processes in your body.

Eating a deficit, especially a diet revolving around carbs, will leave you hungry, with a slowing metabolism, less muscle preservation, a negative impact on positive hormonal processes like autophagy and ultimately lead to a harder diet and less weightloss.

>>10218396
>and inflammation is not just caused by insulin,
I didn't say just, it was an example of things that can be cause by high insulin. A better example would be cancer and damaged cells, they will thrive in an environment where carbs are consumed but will be purged from the body during a ketogenic fast. Damaged cells through autophagy (which is severely limited by insulin spikes) and cancer because those cells simply can't process energy through ketones.

>>10218396
>In the end it all comes down to "don't eat too much".
We are not talking about a healthy weight individual trying to avoid getting fat or maintain his weight, we are talking about people who are most likely overweight and thus have unhealthy insulin levels, who want to lose that weight. Keto/fasting will provide many benefits not possible with a "eat less" mindset.

[Anonymous No.10218541]

>>10218418
>Fasting till you enter ketosis will upregulate your metabolism by 10% (and vice versa the other diet downregulates by 25%)
Can you provide the source for that? That would literally be the only thing that could redeem keto and I've never heard of that before so I doubt it's true, someone would have linked a source over the years I've read about keto here and on /fit/.

>I don't care for semantics, but a zero carb and preferably zero calorie fast will increase metabolism, increase muscle retention, increase energy, reduce hunger, cause faster and more efficient loss of fat and drastically impact positive hormonal processes in your body.
Yeah I call massive bullshit on that. All of that comes from the weight loss not inherently from not eating carbs. Which is retarded by the way, glucose is our prefered and primary fuel and the vast majority of healthy foods is mostly carbs.

>Eating a deficit, especially a diet revolving around carbs, will leave you hungry, with a slowing metabolism, less muscle preservation, a negative impact on positive hormonal processes like autophagy and ultimately lead to a harder diet and less weightloss.
I mean fasting is obviously the most absolute way to lose weight and it's healthy (to some degree and if sone right) but that isn't applicable to keto at all.

The keto helps against cancer argument isn't well researched though and might only be related to some cancers. Also what's this continuous notion of autophagy? I've never heard of a ketone interaction with it. The best foods against cancer are mostly vegetables which are usually 80%+ carbohydrates so you should eat a ton of those.

>we are talking about people who are most likely overweight and thus have unhealthy insulin levels
I did say earlier that insulin resistence makes it harder to stick to a carb heavy diet, never disagreed there. However keto is not the solution, it's a solution for people who can't lose weight otherwise and a rather bad one.

[Anonymous No.10218704]

>>10218541
>Can you provide the source for that?
Minnesota Starvation Experiment for the reduced metabolism.
Metabolic increase:
>Over four days of continuous fasting, basal metabolism does not drop. Instead, it increased by 12%. Neither did exercise capacity, as measured by the VO2, decrease, but is instead maintained.
https://idmprogram.com/difference-calorie-restriction-fasting-fasting-27/
I don't have any link to a scientific study here, but I've seen 10-12% increase after 4 days mentioned in several articles.

>All of that comes from the weight loss not inherently from not eating carbs.
It comes from keeping insulin as low as possible.

>I mean fasting is obviously the most absolute way to lose weight and it's healthy (to some degree and if sone right) but that isn't applicable to keto at all.
I agree, that is the point I am trying to make, but not concerning keto. By fasting you enter ketosis, and supplementing it with a keto diet on the days you do eat is the only synergic way to maintain that level of ketosis and the accompanying benefits. Carbs would break the ketosis, a keto diet of mostly fat would not impact it meaningfully.

>Also what's this continuous notion of autophagy?
When fasting and in ketosis for about 72 hours (no insulin) autophagy will increase by 300%. Very simply put it is the body breaking down and recycling damaged, faulty and unneeded cells and parts of cells (loose skin, scar tissue, and other). This process is inhibited by insulin, and is one of the big benefits of low insulin ketosis. You'll spare muscle as the body targets other sources for amino acids, besides other heal benefits.
https://idmprogram.com/fasting-and-autophagy-mtor-autophagy-1/

>The keto helps against cancer argument isn't well researched though and might only be related to some cancers.
I'm not very well versed in this, but it's less about prevention of cancer, and more about starving existing cancer cells which need carbohydrates to function.

[Anonymous No.10218710]

>>10218704
>I don't have any link to a scientific study here
Just re read and the study is cited beneath a graph, not in a footnote.

[Anonymous No.10219021]

>>10218704
I mean that's a blog post that links to one study, come on. You're linking a commercial blog, that in itself means you can't really take it seriously. Also starvation mode is complete pseudoscience and those the biggest loser "analysis" are stupid. I am very doubtful about those 10%, I've never read that before anywhere.

The one linked study found all sorts of things, nothing conclusive at all. They even say the weight loss should have been higher on the intermittent fasting group and that both groups lost approximately the same weight. It's an interesting study but you can't really interpret it like that.

That article about autophagy doesn't mention anything scientific and only really explains that autophagy is good (which yeah it is) but it only paints insulin as the enemy at the very end without explaining anything or providing any source. I can't take that seriously, does it increase while fasting? Does it stay like that or does it drop down again? Also it even says that unnecessary proteins are recycled, how much do you think there is in our body? Maybe enough for a couple days of blood sugar.

I'm reading their article about the lost war on obesity rn and it's just written in such a shitty and obnoxious way. And yes, it is about fucking calories, the article just implies it isn't and then never addresses that again. Also Fung is a massive hack.

[Anonymous No.10219098]

>>10216226
LOL have you ever even looked at a McDonald's menu???? Or a Burger King Menu???? Lettuce! Dumbass...

[Anonymous No.10219974]

>>10203953
Why does the pyramid say dairy but then it also says no milk?

[Anonymous No.10221035]

>>10219974
Cheeses, fermented stuff like kefir and yoghurt, whey, are all keto friendy. You need to transform the lactose in milk to make it keto friendly.

[Anonymous No.10221057]

>>10204219
You dumbfuck. Humans didn't go from hunters to building skyscrapers overnight. They learned to farm grains.

[Anonymous No.10221091]

>>10203993
>We were here able to buy some biscuit. I had now been several days without tasting anything besides meat: I did not at all dislike this new regimen; but I felt as if it would only have agreed with me with hard exercise. I have heard that patients in England, when desired to confine themselves exclusively to an animal diet, even with the hope of life before their eyes, have hardly been able to endure it. Yet the Gaucho in the Pampas, for months together, touches nothing but beef. But they eat, I observe, a very large proportion of fat, which is of a less animalized nature; and they particularly dislike dry meat, such as that of the Agouti. Dr. Richardson also, has remarked, "that when people have fed for a long time solely upon lean animal food, the desire for fat becomes so insatiable, that they can consume a large quantity of unmixed and even oily fat without nausea:" this appears to me a curious physiological fact.

t. Charles Darvin

[Anonymous No.10221164]

Keto and low carb diets in general are good not only for weight loss, but also for managing your cholesterol ratio. While it's true that total cholesterol increases on a low carb high fat diet, the actual ratio of HDL to LDL improves. In the end, keto/low carb unfucks your insulin sensitivity and cholesterol. That's a good enough reason to consider adopting the diet long term beyond the simple considerations of weight loss. Also, I would like to underline this one more time: keto is just a "radical" form of low carb, you don't need to actually go keto to enjoy the benefits of low carb.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

Personally, I don't do keto, but I practice a low carb (around 50g of carbs per day) high fat diet and I'm experiencing steady weight loss without feeling like shit, since I still get some carbs to replenish my muscle glycogen stores.

[Anonymous No.10221167]

>>10221164
Also, since it's a /ck/ thread, here's my lunch.

[Anonymous No.10221197]

>>10221164
>autoritynutrition
It's a shitty biased site, they're twisting the facts here to make it sound like a good thing. An improve in the ratio is bad if it means more LDL and HDL. You want to have LDL as low as possible, the ratio is a secondary thing. That's one problem with low carb, they're usually way too high in satured fats which is bad for cholesterol and blood lipids.

[Anonymous No.10221199]

>>10221197
>this research is bad because I say so since it doesn't fit my agenda
>le saturated fats are bad meme
Didn't read, lol.

[Anonymous No.10221210]

>>10221199
Are you this delusional?

And why do you think "that total cholesterol increases on a low carb high fat diet"? Literally look at any decent study about satured fat and serum cholesterol, there's a very clear causal connection. The scientific consensus agrees on that, it's just true. Your little infographs with out of context small parts of studies are meaningless.

[Anonymous No.10221214]

>>10221199
>>10221210
Any site that shills a certain diet and lifestyle cannot be taken seriously. Authoritynutrition shills high fat and keto, other sites like nutritionfacts shill vegetarian or vegans diets, they're all shit.

[Anonymous No.10221226]

>>10204019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc

[Anonymous No.10221256]

>>10221210
>Are you this delusional?
Yes, I'm the delusional one for trusting meta-analysis studies that take into account tens of peer-reviewed research papers. Meanwhile, you're the enlightened one for spouting nothing more than your own opinions backed by nothing more than even more of your enlightened opinions.

> look at any decent study about satured fat and serum cholesterol
Sorry, but Keys' pseudoscience is not a "decent" study.

[Anonymous No.10221273]

>>10221256
What meta analysis? The one in your first post about HDH and low carb? I already said that's utterly irrelevant and just shifting the facts. Low HDH is rarely even a problem, the crucial point is lowering LDL and high fat is shit for that. Do you not even understand what I said? Plus I have never heard of that "Keys" guy but nice try dismissing me on some random assumption.

[Anonymous No.10221276]

>>10221210
>The scientific consensus
You don't get to decide what is scientific consensus and what isn't. The fact that retarded muricucks refuse to change their official dietary guidelines regarding carb consumption (while their country is drowning in an ever-growing obesity epidemic) does not constitute "scientific consensus".

[Anonymous No.10221277]

>>10221273
HDL obviously, no idea why I wrote HDH twice.

Anyway what's next, you'll bring up the "fluffy LDL" shit?

[Anonymous No.10221279]

>>10221273
>I already said
And I've already said that it is completely irrelevant what you say. Until you start actually providing evidence, you are nothing more than another ass-clown.

[Anonymous No.10221281]

>>10221276
>You don't get to decide what is scientific consensus and what isn't.
Every guideline around the world suggests limiting and reducing saturated fat intake. USA, EU, Japan too iirc. You're talking bullshit now.

>>10221279
>And I've already said that it is completely irrelevant what you say.
At least I can address your shitty points, you're literally saying "lol didn't read" because you don't even have an answer. Get that stick of butter out of your ass already.

[Anonymous No.10221285]

>>10221276

Meanwhile on the other side of the spectrum we have autismos like you advocating total abstinence from carbs and sugars, not realizing that your "miracle diet" will straight up fucking kill you due to insufficient glucose levels in the blood and, in most cases, lack of fat stores. I'm sure if I said the words "rabbit starvation" to you, you'd think I was talking about a Looney Toons parody on Youtube.

[chop No.10221302]

>>10221285
>"rabbit starvation"
Funny that you should use that for an example since so many retards on this site don't understand what it means.

[Anonymous No.10221304]

>>10221281
>Every guideline around the world suggests limiting and reducing saturated fat intake.
Wrong. Shows how much you know and how much your words are worth (hint: it's less than the worth of dogshit):

>Sweden has become the first Western nation to develop national dietary guidelines that reject the popular low-fat diet dogma in favor of low-carb high-fat nutrition advice.

>The switch in dietary advice followed the publication of a two-year study by the independent Swedish Council on Health Technology Assessment. The committee reviewed 16,000 studies published through May 31, 2013.

>On Monday, SBU, the Swedish Council on Health Technology Assessment, dropped a bombshell. After a two-year long inquiry, reviewing 16,000 studies, the report “Dietary Treatment for Obesity” upends the conventional dietary guidelines for obese or diabetic people.

>This report turns the current concepts upside down and advocates a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet, as the most effective weapon against obesity.

>…a greater increase in HDL cholesterol (“the good cholesterol”) without having any adverse affects on LDL cholesterol (“the bad cholesterol”). This applies to both the moderate low-carbohydrate intake of less than 40 percent of the total energy intake, as well as to the stricter low-carbohydrate diet, where carbohydrate intake is less than 20 percent of the total energy intake. In addition, the stricter low-carbohydrate diet will lead to improved glucose levels for individuals with obesity and diabetes, and to marginally decreased levels of triglycerides.”

https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/sweden-becomes-first-western-nation-to-reject-low-fat-diet-dogma-in-favor-of-low-carb-high-fat-nutrition/

>you're literally saying "lol didn't read"
That's exactly what i'm saying, because I'm not going to read some nonsense spouted by some literally who pulled out of his ass.

[Anonymous No.10221311]

>>10221302

It refers to lack of fat consumption (rat meat has insufficient amounts of it for human survival) but also glucose, which as we know helps create fat.

[Anonymous No.10221324]

>>10221279
>>10221281
Since you're screaming "GIEV EVIDENCE" like a monkey all the time without being able to even talk on the same level about it because you probably don't even know what LDL is here you go, a quick search

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5492032/
>provide strong evidence that replacing dietary SFA with unsaturated fatty acids, both MUFA and PUFA, and carbohydrates from fiber rich whole grains benefit cardiovascular health
>Thus, as healthcare providers recommend that patients reduce dietary SFA

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5058849/
>In the current study, we observed significant dose–response effect for total fat and saturated fat
Sat fat and cancer because why not, there are more links than just this but w/e

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4744652/
>Meals high in SFAs have been shown to elicit a modest but significantly greater postprandial inflammatory response as measured by circulating markers of inflammation in comparison to ω-6 PUFA–rich meals
>A high-SFA meal has been shown to reduce the ability of HDL to inhibit expression of intercellular adhesion molecule-1 and vascular cell adhesion molecule-1 6 hours postmeal
>A meta-analysis of RCTs by Mozaffarian et al. (124) estimated a 10% reduction in CVD risk for every 5% SFAs replaced with PUFAs
And tons
Summary:
>Restriction of SFAs has been advised based on their LDL-cholesterol-raising ability and the established relationship between LDL cholesterol and CVD
"established relationship"

Yes there are a ton of factors but SFA are a massive risk factor and in an otherwise healthy diet you'd better restrict them.

[Anonymous No.10221332]

>>10221304
>Sweden

[Anonymous No.10221355]

>>10221304
Looking at the actual swedish guidelines I can't find any of that, they only talk about glycemic control for diabetics and healthy eating habbits which just talk about restricting caloric intake "either through limiting fat content or a Mediterranean diet with a low carbohydrate
content".

So that article you posted just took shit out of context yet again, just like everything you've posted so far.

[Anonymous No.10221397]

>>10221324
While reading through the first of the studies you've cited I've come upon this:
>Recently, however, some meta-analyses of observational studies have shown no association between SFA and CVD risk [8,9].
Thus, this study cites the meta-analysis studies I've presented and acknowledges the fact that "Saturated fats are not associated with all cause mortality, CVD, CHD, ischemic stroke, or type 2 diabetes". This is fact, it is inarguable. Not by your worthless dogshit opinion, neither by the very study you've presented. The first study you have presented deals with the question of replacing saturated fats with something else to achieve a better picture, which, surprise, has already been considered in the study I have already presented:
>In cohort studies that have directly modeled substitution effects, replacement of saturated fat by polyunsaturated fat (with a corresponding increase in polyunsaturated:saturated (P:S) ratio conferred the greatest reduction in risk of CVD.
http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h3978

Keeping in mind the previous conclusion, which states that there is no association between saturated fats and all-cause mortality/CHD/CVD, this doesn't mean that saturated fats are bad for your heart or are associated with all-cause mortality in general, this just means that there are other alternatives to saturated fats that are associated with a decrease in CVD/CHD.

Basically, the study you've posted just parrots the conclusions of the meta-analysis I've presented. Before presenting "evidence" again, make sure it doesn't support my point first, mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.10221416]

>>10206459
it's literally atkins with even tighter carb restriction

[Anonymous No.10221419]

>>10221397
> the fact that "Saturated fats are not associated with all cause mortality, CVD, CHD, ischemic stroke, or type 2 diabetes". This is fact, it is inarguable.
Moving the goalpost once again. I said saturated fat is connected to LDL and it is, period. LDL is bad, that also undeniable.

I'm too tired of this now so I'm out. There's an obvious reason why there hasn't been a link bewteen sat fat and ACM or CVD yet but you'll probably just ad hominem that away again or just talk about something else. Have fun on your meh diet, maybe you'll lose enough weigh to counteract your shitty intake.

[Anonymous No.10221453]

>>10203953
makes your breath stink like acetone.

[Anonymous No.10221454]

>>10221355
Just more proof you can't into basic reading comprehension. What you have stated in your post:
>Every guideline around the world suggests limiting and reducing saturated fat intake.
>Every guideline around the world

What I have presented:
>the report “Dietary Treatment for Obesity” upends the conventional dietary guidelines for obese or diabetic people.
>conventional dietary guidelines for obese or diabetic people

You have made a statement, I have proven that your statement is nonsense.

What you are doing now is switching goalposts and are requesting specifically dietary guidelines for healthy people including women and children. Changing those will take more time, obviously, as low carb diets are currently examined in the context of weight loss and diabetes reversal, but the evidence of low carb high fat diets being beneficial long term through cholesterol regulation is starting to pile up, which will inevitably lead to the change of general guidelines as well.

[Anonymous No.10221459]

Down 4lbs from the start of this week. Hoping I'll get down to 170 by Christmas, but I'm tempering my expectations since the estimate was 230 by Christmas. 287 now.

[Anonymous No.10221463]

>>10221453
That's just during the first two or so weeks as your body adjusts. It's part of the keto flu, and one of the only parts you really can't control. Mouthwash only works for a bit.

[Anonymous No.10221474]

>>10221419
>I said saturated fat is connected to LDL
You can say whatever the fuck you want, it's irrelevant nonsense. Here are the facts actually supported by research:
>low carb high fat diets increase HDL
>low carb high fat diets increase the ratio of HDL/LDL, which is an important marker of cardiovascular disease
>Saturated fats are not associated with all cause mortality, CVD, CHD, ischemic stroke
>saturated fats can be replaced by some unsaturated ones to actually decrease risk of CVD

Does this mean saturated fats are bad? No and thus you have no leg to stand on.

[Anonymous No.10221491]

>>10203993
Idiots following meme Western buthcery practices throw away bones and organs. If you have those along with the muscles the fat content is fine. And yes there are entire communities of carnivores living healthier than you right now.

Check out Dr. Shawn Baker's Instagram.

[Anonymous No.10221499]

>>10221491
The thing is that a lot of westerners don't know how to use bones, so they go to waste. Organ meats have a really weird stigma, because television doctors keep saying they're not good to eat. People think they have toxins, and beyond that they think its poor people food.

[Anonymous No.10221511]

>>10221474
>Joe Rogan’s momscience is research

[Anonymous No.10221516]

So, I know keto resolves a lot of the risks of rapid weight loss including electrolyte imbalances, protein deficiency, and dehydration... But what about gallstones?

[Anonymous No.10221521]

>>10221273
You're making yourself look foolish about the topic. He was referring to Ancel Keys' Seven Countries study. If you haven't heard of that, you have no business talking about dietary cholesterol and heart disease. Basically, Keys had a confirmation bias, looking to prove dietary cholesterol was the main culprit for middle-aged heart disease. A famous example of a major study by a very influential person who cherry picked data sets that did not fit his hypothesis (he threw out France, for example, because the French eat a lot of fat, but did not have a high incidence of heart disease). Keys was also famous for the Mediterranean Diet. You may have heard of that. Just trying to point you in the right direction so you can come to the table better prepared.

[Anonymous No.10221537]

>>10221521
That’s because French mortality statistics are notoriously unreliable in every facet. Its not excluded because it doesn’t fit a narrative, it’s excluded because it’s statistically unreliable. It’s funny when you talk about cherrypicking studies when the only studies touting the benefits of saturated fats are just those that talk about how horrible high processed carbohydrates diets are in countries where the researchers admitted where deaths were related more to socioeconomic factors more than anything

Tl;dr youre unironically an autist who takes Mercola seriously and uses Jordan Peterson as a dad simulator

[Anonymous No.10221547]

>>10221511
>systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies
>published in a peer-reviewed medical journal
>Joe Rogan’s momscience
OK.

[Anonymous No.10221556]

>>10221276
That image always makes me kind of sad. Although obviously overweight, this dietician is actually recommending a healthier candy. Dark chocolate is definitely a better choice than any other type of chocolate or candy bar. The irony is that the store put this sign next to really shitty candy bars. The next level of irony is that most people who see this photo will only see the first level of irony. The Inception level of irony is that Courtney Slater probably does choose Twix and M&M's over dark chocolate. This may be one of the best images on the internets.

[Anonymous No.10221560]

>>10221547
Observational studies are almost always trash for heart disease. Dietary intervention with consumption, fat levels, cholesterol, etc. measured at baseline are really only reliable

So yes. Joe Rogan momscience. Just reading the abstract and not analyzing any mechanisms of the research itself is pop science trash

[Anonymous No.10221568]

>>10221556
>tfw can't find dark enough chocolate for it to be worth getting
It stops at 82% where I am because people are babies.

[Anonymous No.10221571]

>>10221560
Whatever you say. You're obviously smarter than the guys who publish papers in BMJ, so I'll obviously take your word over theirs.

Also, post more papers "demonizing" saturated fats, I'll red them later and reply if the thread is still alive.

[Anonymous No.10221583]

>>10221571
Yeah dude. Scientific papers are always flawless. Even when the flaws were blatantly pointed out. There’s never been faulty science except if its Ancel Keys! Just read the clickbait headlines and domt explore anything for yourself. Keep calm and just chug your Bulletproof Coffee. We’ll think for you!

[Anonymous No.10221591]

>>10221516
Low-carb, high-fat calorie restricted diets have no correlation with gallstones. Conversely, low-fat, high-carb calorie restricted diets are strongly correlated with development of gallstones. Low-fat weight loss diets are in fact one of the primary markers of gallstones. The only known health risk of the ketogenic diet at this time is kidney stones. It is extremely important that people eating a ketogenic diet try to drink 3-4 liters of water a day.

[Anonymous No.10221600]

>>10221591
>carb bad, fat good xD

[Anonymous No.10221604]

>>10221591
>The only known health risk of the ketogenic diet at this time is kidney stones.
What's the reason for this? Is it because of the increased protein consumption? I thought you're not even supposed to eat ridiculous amounts of protein on a ketogenic diet as it will put you out of ketosis due to gluconeogenesis.

[Anonymous No.10221615]

>>10221604
You can eat quite a bit of protein actually. I personally can get up to 2.2g/kg without issue because of my activity level. The only thing that actually matters is calories by source, which should be more in favour of fat. Fat is higher calorie per gram, so it's fine to get more grams of protein than fat as long as the calories are mostly from fat.

[Anonymous No.10221617]

>>10203953
Makes fat retards become pretentious fat retards

>i loss weight using a specific diet?!?!? Its not caloric deficits, its le keto xD western values are saved!!!!

[Anonymous No.10221620]

>>10221600
Hey, I said the only known risk. It's just going to take more time to conclusively verify other health risks. I'm glad researchers are studying it. Also, I never said carbs are bad. I'm gonna go out on a perilous limb and say I think refined sugar is bad though.

[Anonymous No.10221673]

>>10221285
No one is advocating normal or underweight people to cut all carbs you fucking moron. Ketosis is the goal of a diet, it implicitly implies that the person is seeking to lose surplus fat. A fat person can water fast for a full month ++++ with zero health issues.

[Anonymous No.10221684]

>>10221673
This desu. People who advocate keto as a lifestyle diet are either doing so for diabetics or those with epilepsy. Otherwise, it's a short term diet for easy mode weight loss. Simple CICO or not, it works better than a normal diet because the increased fat and protein makes you feel fuller longer and after a while kills cravings for bad carbs. Of course, you may still crave good carbs on occasion.

[Anonymous No.10221689]

>>10221311
"rabbit starvation" has absolutely nothing to do with glucose. You've proven throughout the thread that you have no fucking idea what you are writing about, though, so it's no surprise that you tried to twist this to "prove" your garbage.

[Anonymous No.10221729]

>>10221684
>it's a short term diet for easy mode weight loss
Which is clearly a terrible approach to weight loss.

[Anonymous No.10221734]

So it's a bullshit diet based on flimsy "science"? Got it.

Because as we all know, human longevity and health rapidly declined following the advent of agriculture and cereal consumption.

[Anonymous No.10221741]

>>10221729
Not really. You develop good enough habits such as weighing and logging food in most cases, and sticking to a specific calorie intake rather than winging it every day. You also stop wanting sugary treats, which should stick around as long as you don't reintroduce refined sugars in excess to your diet.

As long as those habits are kept, the weight should stay off. Water weight aside, that is.

[Anonymous No.10221795]

>>10221729
>I don't have the willpower to fast therefore no one should
>I'll just ignore the numerous benefits of fasting and opt for a less efficient way

[Anonymous No.10221818]

>>10221795
Intermittent fasting and keto should really go hand in hand for people who need to fix their weight and related problems. There are way too many benefits to ignore.

Longer fasts can be beneficial, but for people with less willpower, 20ish hours a day should be fine.

[Anonymous No.10221857]

>On diabetic diet
>Limited to 40g carb per meal
>Slowly get used to it, doing well at 185 lbs
>One day friend offers me a donut
>Don't want to be rude so i explain the situation and just have a piece of it
>That little piece spikes me to 317 BS.
>Freak out and start avoiding carbs for the rest of the day to let me levels go back down
>Nothing but protein shakes, chicken, eggs, bacon and sausage meals for three days
>Back to a manageable BS number
>Check weight
>169 lbs

Did I accidently activate ketosis?

[Anonymous No.10221876]

>>10221734
>Cereal consumption

Elaborate? I'm actually one of the few who never touched cereal because i hated the taste of it. Was it proven to give cancer or something?

[Anonymous No.10221914]

>>10221876
He's being sarcastic. Human longevity increased, albeit for other reasons like medical science and improved living conditions for the average person in a developed nation

[Anonymous No.10222355]

>complicating things.

I lost nearly a hundred lbs in less than a year just by cutting back on carbs (now mostly through vegetables), eliminating added sugar as much as I can, and eating at a calorie deficit.

[Anonymous No.10222644]

>>10221521
If he said 7 countries study sure but the hell am I supposed to remember the leading scientist. I also have no idea who wrote the China study but that one's also shit. Biased studies are irrelevant so why even bring that up. Mediterranean diet is rather low in saturated fat anyway so whatever. Plus it's not even low carb in its original form.

[Anonymous No.10223570]

>>10221734
Get outta here you troller.