/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>9698727
Longer hours at draining or sedentary jobs and lack of physical activity.

sugar

Poor self control and retards convincing themselves genetics is why they're fat

Carbs.

t. ketofags

Eating too many calories.

>>9698727
Saturated fats and carbohydrates.

>>9698727
Portions.

>>9698727
corn syrup

>>9698727
Vegetable oils

pedestrian unfriendly city layouts
jobs that require sitting
ease of availability of unhealthy food
rampant advertising
social alienation that causes food/substance addiction

>>9698733

I agree with this post. We work jobs that don't require us to move much.

If we all put in 2 hours of farm labor a day we would reduce obesity substantially within a few years.

>>9698727
eating too much

>>9698773

Is food addiction really a thing? It seems more like a nasty habit than an addiction.

>>9698789
If it enhances dopamine it will eventually change your gene expression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSB#Delta_FosB

food

>>9698798

Yeah I guess nobody knows the science.

I see phrases like "hijacks your brain chemistry" and "epigenetically alters gene expression" thrown around a lot. I've heard of the Delta FOS-B thing (in the context of amphetamine addiction) before but that article is impossible to understand.

I guess we're "hardwired" to think of our brains in terms of biochemical reductionism.

But if that's the case all human behavior can be accounted for with some protein inhibitor or other. I'm just saying it's stupid to throw the word addiction around all the time if that's the model we're working with-- anything rewarding can be classified as addicting.

At some point these descriptions stop being useful and start providing a basis for subjects to excuse their own behavior because

>muh addiction

don't you think?

>>9698829
Can't get through to people by using complex terminology. Just call it something that's easy to understand, like addiction, and have them follow a program and detox to replace that behavior. The confirmation bias caused by acknowledging the fact that you may have an addiction can reinforce a negative behavioral loop (I am an addict, once an addict, etc...), but a decent program should compensate for that.

>>9698727
>So what's actually making us fat?
fat does
prepackaged food is loaded with it. Fat is highly addictive.
Want to lose weight? stick with carbs. bread, beans, potatoes. and eliminate all fat from your diet.

>>9698855

Well said, I agree.

>>9698867
b-but keto

>>9698781
>2 hours of farm labor
or if people went to the gym before/after work, or ran, or US jobs gave employees extra time during the day to exercise

>>9698867

I see you, Mr. Trollington

>>9698867
Is this b8? Am I being interdimensionally trolled from the past right now?

>>9698880

A lot of us can't stand the fucking gym. It's a bunch of made up "labor" that serves no purpose. I would much rather have some garden beds to weed, or some raking or shoveling to do, than go to a fucking gym. Shared labor also provides a basis for community and produces delicious healthy vegetables.

They could at least turn the stationary bikes and elliptical into generators so we don't feel like it's so pointless.

Gyms are soulless, Godless, horrible places.

Removing the beans from chili. It makes people eat more meat, which was never intended since beans are high in fiber and creates a sense of fullness.

>>9698903
I couldn't quite put how I felt about gyms into words until I read this, and on some level is makes absolute sense. I wish there was a way that I could be productive and active at the same time. Growing up in school, the reward was the competitive outlet and status that comes with excelling at sports, but as a wealthy tech worker, it's hard to find a way to turn physical exertion into something satisfying.

>>9698910
Wow, it's almost like this mirrors US population growth.

Corn Syrup and everyone quintagenarian and over

>>9698915
go hike up mountains

>>9698920
>obesity rates rising
>sugar consumption down
>meat and cheese consumption up

>nothingburger, its a russian and big soy psyop, also population growth which isn't relevant to percentages but who cares lol

>>9698910
>total instead of per capita

The population has increased 350% since 1909. It makes sense meat consumption has gone up similarly.

>>9698727
consuming more calories than we expend, consuming food that is not nutritious enough, SUGAR.

>>9698727
It doesn't specify which sugar

>>9698915

Hiking up mountains is awesome recreation, like that other guy said. It's great fun and great for you. Hiking/walking in general is a forgotten pleasure.

But have a look around your area. Where I live there's this awesome group that removes invasives and re-plants natives in local parks, which ends up being a fuck ton of work.

I can go out on weekends and they'll have gravel for me to haul in a wheelbarrow or compost piles to haul. It's awesome and ass-kickingly tough work. Feels great.

I'm sure you've got some volunteer groups in your area that are looking for labor and, while it won't quite replace a consistent exercise regimen, you can definitely start getting in great workouts on your off-days (while making new friends and feeling good about helping out).

It's a win-win-win-win.

>>9698903
>reddit spacing
>can't stand the gym
>wants to do labor around the house but doesn't
>complains about people who better themselves
literally go back to /r/atheism

>>9698937
Also makes sense it correlates with more obesity

Why isn't sugar consumption going up too if its such an issue?

>>9698935
>meat a cheese consumption up
>first posts a chart that does not show per capita on meat
>then posts a chart that hasn't been updated in 10 years

?

>>9698952
>reddit spacing
Something redditors trying to fit in say.

Lets call it

"Typing like literally everyone else for decades other than schizophrenics"

>>9698949
Hiking up mountains sounds pretty cool if there were nearby mountains.

I have no interest in charity, as I disagree with them on a fundamental level. I'd like to have an opportunity where my labor directly benefits myself or my family.

>>9698966
>"Typing like literally everyone else for decades other than schizophrenics"
>One to two sentence paragraphs
>typing like everyone else

>>9698967
Where do you live?

>>9698960
>strawmanning because you can't argue a single actual point

/fit/ ---> /fasting general/

>>9698967
>I have no interest in charity, as I disagree with them on a fundamental level

>>9698967

Try gardening this summer if you have the space. A lot of cities have large areas where you can rent a little garden plot if you're in an apartment.

It's great fun and very rewarding when you get to eat something you planted yourself.

>>9698967
>>9698966
>>9698949
>>9698903

>>9698975
Texas.

>>9698983
I'm actually in the process of purchasing a house, and this sounds like a great idea once that all goes through. I'll keep this in mind. Some older friends of mine take great pride in their gardens, so I might find that same drive.

>>9698973
Yes

>>9698727
It stopped going up as fast as soon as sugar stopped

>>9698976
Do you know what "strawman" means? Even now, you're posting a chart that aggregates half-decades, and doesn't have data after the year 2005.

>>9698998
It means you have no argument to anything substantial

>nothing after 2005
Do you know how to read? What exactly is the flaw in the halving? The answers are no and nothing

>>9698903
>stationary bikes
>elliptical

This is why it's soulless, hit the squats and deadlifts you faggot

>>9699009
2010 was not finished data, and 2020 was projected. Please feel free to provide actual recent data in the future for discussions' sake.

>>9698903
then run and bike outside or do work around your home, you fat shit

>>9698991

Yup, and gardening ends up being great work, especially if you do it organically (because if you do it organically, you'll have to come out and pick weeds once a week or so, which is great for you if you squat while you do it).

There are tons of videos on Youtube about gardening and planting. You can definitely dive right in on your own. Chances are you'll have no luck with a lot of stuff you try your first year but it's a learning process. In most places in the U.S. you can grow food for most of the months out of the year.

(PS make sure you do all your own yard work when you get the house. This just gives you more chances to get out and move around and not have to spend money on landscaping)

>>9699010
>muh squats

>>9699010

No thanks I don't want to injure a joint before my 20s are up.

inb4 "muh form"

Everyone I know who's been lifting for several years has injured themselves.

I'll stick to walking around outside on hills and enjoying the plants and the seasons as they come around.

>>9699015
2010 is preliminary meaning they're using the info they have and meaning they have info after 2005

You're not actually disputing anything other than why im even bothering with a child so petulant and ignorant

>>9699026
really makes me think

>>9699041
So by your logic sugar consumption should also correlate

Oh wait it doesn't

>>9698829
What is so hard to understand? Receptors down regulate in response to frequent activation meanwhile gene expression increases so you crave a drug (or food) that gives you a diminishing reward for the same quantity of drug/food upon repeated administration. I think that's as good as we understand it now.

>>9699056

where's Delta FOS-B come in again?

>>9699050
>sugar consumption decreased while artificial sweetener consumption skyrocketed
really makes one wonder

>>9699041
>per capita went up because of population grown

>>9699065
Not sure what point you're even making anymore unless you actually think artificial sweetners have the same effects as actual sugars

>>9699064
It is a consequence of overstimulation at dopamine-expressing neurons where Delta FOS-B increases expression which causes neurons to rewire in response to be less sensitive to future rewards so when the stimulus is removed your body feels deprived, causing the addiction.

ΔFosB levels have been found to increase upon the use of cocaine.[43] Each subsequent dose of cocaine continues to increase ΔFosB levels with no ceiling of tolerance. Elevated levels of ΔFosB leads to increases in brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) levels, which in turn increases the number of dendritic branches and spines present on neurons involved with the nucleus accumbens and prefrontal cortex areas of the brain. This change can be identified rather quickly, and may be sustained weeks after the last dose of the drug.

>>9699077
Because companies stopped putting sugar into everything and instead pump their products full of artificial sweeteners, therefore sugar consumption decreased you fucking brainlet

>>9699083
Okay. Again. What does this have to do with anything? And companies didn't stop doing shit, they offered more sugar free alternatives, not replacing

>>9698733
fpbp
average-so-technically-obese-but-not-"""fat""" office drone here, the quickest way to drop 30 pounds is to spend a couple weeks at a field office in europe or first-world asia, or even home office in new york. just the five clicks a day back and forth from subway stations kickstarts things.

>>9699096
>fpbp
Complete cancer. Back to your containment board

>>9699089
>So by your logic sugar consumption should also correlate
No, sugar consumption dropped because it was substituted with artificial sweeteners. Artificial sweetener consumption is steadily increasing.

What aren't you understanding?

>>9698781
It's not just that. Back when people labored on farms they could burn 4000 calories a day and not get fat. The problem is that a lot of people don't even burn 2000, but they eat at least that in a day. That's how you get fat. If you're not doing much in the way of physical exertion you just have to eat smaller servings and favor less calorie dense food.

>>9699102
but i only ever post on /ck/ and /tg/, which one should i go back to?

>>9699103
It wasn't substituted with anything. There were alternatives. There's cheese alternatives too and cheese consumption, total and PER CAPITA, are UP which you argued is because of population increase

You're grasping for so many straws and red herrings you don't even remember what you've originally argued

>>9698733
Pretty much this.
Everything we do doesn't require us to move anymore. 50 years ago computers and good TV weren't really a "thing", so everybody was still out and about and active in their leisure time.
As electronics became more ubiquitous we needed to be active less and less to be entertained more and more.

>>9699124
It most certainly was. Name a single main stream soda in the US that is made with real sugar and not high-fructose corn syrup or some other alternative.

>There's cheese alternatives too
Vegan cheese has not completely replaced real cheeses in all restaurants. That's a horrible comparison.

>>9699096
>technically-obese-but-not-fat

>>9699141
i didn't invent america.psb, i just live in it

>>9699139
HFCS is not an artificial sweetener.

>>9699146
It's a sugar substitute

>>9699149
no, it's just a sugar

>>9699109

Yeah I see what you mean, I agree

>>9699149
It's a sugar
the "REEEEEEEEEEEEEE not cane not real sugar" meme is from dumb frogposting Americans who don't realize that 99% of historical western cooking used beet sugar or honey.

>>9698967
>I have no interest in charity, as I disagree with them on a fundamental level.

>>9698733
This, also large portions and frequent snacking.

>>9699139
Jarritos

>>9699139
High fructose corn syrup is not an artificial sweetener

Do carbs count under sugar consumption?

When you go shopping look at fatties shopping cart. They're all the same, loaves of bread, chips, cookies, crackers. If it's not sugar it carbs.

>>9698727
Calories in, calories out

>>9698935
>>9698976
I eat lots of meat but no dairy and im thin as fuck.

>>9699133
found the pretentious faggot

>>9698949

I'm not allowed to do charity work anymore

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/14/uk-government-blasts-charities-white/

>>9698733
This combined with the liquid jew and lack of exercise

t. Fat fuck

>>9699937
>recognizing we're more sedentary than ever makes me pretentious
Sure thing retard.

>>9698727
calories

>>9698903
wtf i hate exercising in a place designed for exercise now

People not microdosing DNP

>>9698727
portion size and no self control

>2017
>not going to the gym

>>9700082
Ding ding ding!

Fat fucks will eat a ton of anything. Sugar or otherwise

>>9698747
Fags indeed.

>>9698727
Beer

Too much food.
You could literally get not fat from eating burgers and french fries every day as long it doesn't go over your daily Kcal need.
Of course you would lack some nutritions but still, you wouldn't be fat but simply unhealthy.

>>9698727

Psychiatric drugs.

Most psychiatric drugs cause weight gain as a side-effect, and the Tumblr generation especially is so mentally ill that something like 1/3-1/2 of the US is on some kind of psychiatric drug.

>>9698727
Overeating

>>9698903
get an exercise bike and put it in front of your computer. 30 minutes a day is all you need to do. listen to music, watch something on the computer. exercise is easy.

>>9699141
I think he means that in America you can get pretty fucking fat whilst still being considered "normal".

Before I lost weight people were telling me I didn't look fat. 50 pounds lost and I'm still like ~23% body fat. It boggles the mind.

>>9699024
No way that dude's shitty physique is from over doing it on squats. His back, core and shoulders could never support that kind of weight. If anything, it's from that bike in the background.

>>9698727
Quite a few good answers in this thread, but people fail to consider two significant factors. One of them is gut flora:
http://www.fbmc.fcen.uba.ar/materias/ga/seminarios/Gut_environ_genomics.pdf

To further illustrate this principle, there are recorded cases of fecal transplant recipients becoming obese after undergoing treatment to reestablish healthy gut flora. Accordingly, the converse is being attempted to correct dysbiosis contributing to metabolic syndrome (aka obesity with complications).

>>9698727
Preservatives in the tap water.

>>9698727
Hillary.

>companies replace sugar with more fat
>companies replace fat with more sugar
>you can literally your whole day without walking more than 100 feet because of cars
>people under the age of 35 literally do not know how to shop for food staples and cook their own meals
>young people are literally not allowed to cook when they get to university dorms because they're not allowed to have stoves or heating elements in their dorms and they're forced to buy expensive meal plans from the university
Just let people get fucking fat, less people to cash out on social security, nobody respects fat people anyway.

>>9698727
It's all been downhill since the french revolution.

210lb in Feb
165lb Now

3 days running
1500 calorie diet of whatever you want

It's the lack of physical activity

>>9698773
>pedestrian unfriendly city layouts

Seriously this. I'm a diehard cyclist but most people say cycling is "impossible" and you "have to" drive. And I live in a reknown bike friendly city. Some shithole like houston would be even worse. Cagers were a mistake, nuke everything and start over. Bike superiority nao. Turn the highways into bike paths, shoot anyone too fat to get on a bike. Problem solved.

>>9698903
Gym is garbage. Fun things are fun. Athletics, physical classes, climbing gyms, cycling/bike commuting, sports, etc. Fuck gyms.

>>9703573
>running
Enjoy that knee replacement by 40.

>>9703778

I'll just have one of the future men grow me a new leg.

>>9698966
t. phoneposter

Beef is a meme reason.

>>9703819

>>9698727
the main problem is misinformation. people thing certain foods are inherently bad and "make you fat" because they don't know the basics of calorie counting. a large amount of fats or carbs or proteins is sustainable, although might be unpleasant, at a low weight. you can eat like shit and be skinny all day long, it's not complicated.

this board fosters old wives tales and minformation about this stuff, it's really a bad place to ask. it should be required to read the /fit/ sticky before posting a thread about muh special diet recipes or the seventh taco bell post in the catalogue

>>9698727
carbs, sugar, high fructose corn poison, aspartame poison, dinner plates being the size of a turkey serving platter, high amount of numales "working" desk jobs and being afraid of /out/, low fat diets, insulin.

>>9698748
yea its too many calories in, not enough calorie burning. the foods nowadays are very calorie dense so you don't feel as full eating simple carbs compared to complex ones or protein / fat.

>>9698727
overeating and underactivity

>>9698733
this + convenient, unhealthy food + sedentary activities like the internet and video games

>>9698727
What this graph clearly shows is that a big portion of the population dropped sugar alltogether while a smaller minority's doubled down
So as a whole healthy people are getting healthier but some healthy people are becoming obese at the same time
We need the other half of the data, there is probably growth in fitness too

>>9698789
Totally real. Not fat, but I could keep eating nonstop, love food. Never understood how people are "full".

>>9699869
This. One only needs to look in the cart of a fatass at CostCo or Walmart.

>>9698727
High Fructose Corn Syrup. They started replacing sugar with that in the 90's because it was cheaper and they could say they had less sugar so people would think it was healthier.

People are still getting tons of fructose in their food, but it's from sources other than just sugar.

Sugar. You burn the sugar all day while the fat youre supposed to burn sits there.

>>9698867
How much air do you intake a day? How much of it makes up your body?

>>9698976
Your chart isn't wrong but you have no idea what a strawman is my dude

>>9704815
HFCS didn't cause people to become fatter, but it did make it cheaper to put more sugar into foods, which increased the total amount of sugar in foods

there is nothing metabolically different between natural fructose and HFCS

people are fatter because nobody does anything but sit around anymore, and food is generally worse for us, with us cooking less

source: wrote thesis on this

>>9698727
Economic Stagnation. Wage stagnation in the middle class.
Same thing that's pushed alcoholism, drug use up. Food is the same sort of thing.

>>9704910
>no metabolic difference
factually wrong, your liver does use it in a separate fructose pathway as well as the regular glucose one

>>9698727
I will chime in with portion control and family situations.

In the past if you were an adult man in your 20s you would probably be in a relationship. You may have some small children by your late 20s.

When you are in this situation you end up eating less when you cook because

1. You want to save some for your wife and children
2. You do not want to seem like a glutton in front of your wife
3. You have a responsibility to keep your health and appearance for your wife and children

This also goes to eating junk food and junk meals. I am often up until 4 or 5 am and my last meal of the day will sometimes be some god awful crap like 3 microwave burritos smothered in hot sauce. I have no wife to say to me "what the fuck are you doing?! GO TO BED" at 2 am when I am up cooking. I don't have a wife to share my pot of spaghetti and meatballs with I have made, and I am not going to make a small batch so I end up eating the whole thing over the course of the next 48 hours by myself. That is far too much pasta meals in a row. And they are often too large portions.

>no exercise
>industry sweatens up everything for better sales
>people with no self control enabled by snowflakementality
>fatshaming decreased
>no need to go outside anymore thanks to the internet. Means even less excercise and shame.

PROCESSED FOOD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CdwWliv7Hg

You can't get fat eating only unprocessed PLANTS.
Eat real food as evolution intended for us.
Whole food plant based unprocessed.
Baked potatoes, sweet potatoes, nuts, mushrooms, greens, etc...
Only eat food from the produce section.

>>9698733
Never done proper manual labour, but always been on my feet and kept in shape. In the last three years, been behind a desk, and piled it on.

>>9698727
Food is a business and no longer a life saving necessity.

>>9698727
Spooky if that's real. I really figured it was the sugar.

>>9698727
Economic prosperity

>>9698727
/fit/ here. i have read tons of papers and research so i can give you the answer.

but i will not because none of you will believe me and bombard me with "grannys/mommy's wisdom. or what is being repeated by social circles.

>>9698727
Body positive fat girls that encourage other girls to eat garbage food

>>9698727
ketocucks and paleoniggers BTFO

excess CALORIES are making us fat. food companies have engineered their products so well that average people can't help themselves.

also the reduction in cigarette smoking and simultaneous increase in pot smoking has a lot more to do with this than people would like to admit.

>>9707190
me

>>9707228
this is largely true. though i would like to comment that keto makes it easier to loose fat (IF YOU ARE IN A CALORIC DEFICIT)
also helps if you ignore the 3 meals a day meme (or got forbid the 6 meals a day)
create an eating window for yourself of like 6-8 hours and dont eat anything outside of it. (this prevents snacking)

calories

>>9707245
>this prevents snacking
or encourages snacking for 6-8 hours solid

>>9698727
Almost every food product contains sugar. Op do your homework.

Chemicals

>>9698727
Now this is how you should shill

>>9699955

> linking to breitbart

nice that you've got your helper posting for you, you fucking gimp.

>>9698740

this. Japan has a similar shitty processed sugary diet but nowhere near the levels of obesity because they actual feel shame when they're fat and don't prance around preaching fat acceptance.

>>9698733
This and sugar.

Holy shit I think the nations collective average weight would drop at least 10 pounds if everyone stopped drinking soda/sugary drinks. So many calories, so not filling.