/ck/ - Food & Cooking

All the fucking way and then some.

>there are grown "men" that watch that

>>8005708
>A man can't watch cute girls doing cute things
I bet you eat steak, drink whiskey and have sex with a lot of women, you handsome manly man.

>>8005724
>A man can't watch cute girls doing cute things
No, he totally can. He should just admit to having severe autism.

>>8005499
Off topic but what anime is that?

>>8006213
gochiusa

I want to die
But I also finally found a measuring cup in my new place so I can enjoy my French press again

>>8006545
>measuring cup
>not a scale

You need to go deeper

>>8006561
Baby steps fellow cu/ck/

>>8006561
Brewing by weight added +10 autism to me. More consistent coffee tho.

>>8006561

You boys are pathetic. What the fuck are your eyes for? Naw you need man made tools to repeat the same shit over and over so you don't have to be confident about what you're doing it's all done for you.

Is it worth buying an french press if I can't afford a good grinder too?

>>8006947
Assuming the alternative is instant then yes, you can buy ground coffee for a french press that is far, far better than instant.

I only have a little hand grinder (£10 from Amazon) and I actually moved from buying beans back to buying ground, just because the hand grinder takes time and effort and is noisy (sometimes I want coffee at night and I don't want to bother my neighbours), and doesn't seem to make that much difference to me. As long as you keep the grounds fresh once opened (airtight container in the fridge, 2-3 weeks max).

I use the pour over method too (pic related), much easier than french press once you've got the system down. French press is a bastard to clean, especially the little one-cup press I have. Some coffee is better suited to french press, but most ground coffee is as good or better made with the pour over method than with press.

>>8005724
You're a pedophile, get help.

>>8007337
If he needs help to be a pedophile, then he's not doing it right.

I fucking love me some coffee, but I'm just using my keurig, combined with a healthy dose of 3-5 energy drinks a day.

Until recently I had an automatic bean to cup. It was pretty good but it died.

I now want to get a good espresso machine. I already have the burr grinder (macap m2m stepped doserless), but what now? My budget is up to $2000. I'd prefer something on the smaller side that isnt gonna be messy as fuck.

Keep in mind I know almost nothing about making a coffee or espresso systems, but I'm willing to learn.

Aesthetics is important but not super important.

>>8006213
gochuumon wa usagi desuka. is the order a rabit.

also
>>8006585
>c/u/ck/
This board pairing makes me wonder if cuties, lesbians, and foodies are destined to be ntred by dick.

>>8005499
>live in coffee growing country
>instant coffee every fucking where and unroasted is fucking expensive

>>8005499
I am literally addicted to coffee I believe. I can control my alcohol intake better than I give myself credit for. I cannot however function without coffee leading me to take it throughout the day and go into a nonfunctioning state without it. Now, I know that's what we ALL experience here but I'm just saying. I acknowledge my true addiction isn't alcohol. It's coffee.

>>8007453
Caffeine addiction can get pretty serious, dude. Migraines, insomnia, death, et cetera.
Work on reducing your dependence before it's too late.

I bought a real grinder. I might buy a Crossland CC1 but haven't decided.

I drink instant coffee that I use with hot water straight from the tap (I live in Northern Europe so the water isn't USA tier)

Problems?

Wow, this thread went to shit headfirst.

The closest thing I've had to a coffee was the jamocha shake back when they were doing the 5 for $5 years ago. It was okay at first but after awhile you got tired of the overpowering taste.

>>8007661
>Problems?
Only that my tap doesn't get that hot and I have to microwave it

>>8005499
I like my coffee like I like my oatmeal. Bland, and shitty lowest common denominator.

Nothing like drip pot to accompany your instant oats that you've just mixed with hot water and a dash of salt, and a dollop of plain yogurt if I'm feeling squirrely.

Had an espresso machine. Great, but died on me. Now I have a french drip. I think I even prefer the mellower taste. I make a froth with an aerolatte wand. Not a huge fan of froth, but my better half is.

How big is the difference between buying decent ground coffee and grinding it yourself?

Best instant I've tried so far is a Kenco Millicano, only use it if I'm in a hurry though.

If I drink coffee late at night, it makes me want to sleep.

Why is that?

>>8005499
>mfw dad's shitty drip coffee is now considered the pinnacle of excellence
Whatever.
I have a Bodum drip pot, when my family inevitably breaks it, I will probably get a cheap french press.
My parents are coffee obsessed... I just like a decent cafe au lait in the morning.

Having done Bottle Bottle barista training a few years ago, I can tell you, 3rd wave coffee is a literal cult.

>>8008353
Adhd symptom reversal.
inb4 omg dats a myth anon r u traded did u go to skol?

>>8007951
>How big is the difference between buying decent ground coffee and grinding it yourself?

Depends how long the grounds have been sitting.

Best example IMO that most people can relate to is this:

Fresh ground beans is like freshly cracked ground pepper. Bold complex flavour. There are different types of peppercorns and you can taste the difference between them when freshly cracked.

Pre-ground beans is like pre-ground black pepper. Fine if it is fairly fresh, but goes stale relatively quickly. Taste is basically always less than fresh cracked, but is acceptable especially if it is all you are accustomed to.

Stale ground beans is like stale ground black pepper. Virtually tasteless and is a shadow of its former glory. At this point you can still tell it is black pepper because of some of the very distinctive characteristics, but you won't be able to appreciate any other aspect of it or differentiate between varieties.

Basically, the fresher the better, but it is all up to what you actually want out of your coffee/spices and what you can tolerate.

>>8006947
Yes.

Buy good beans, grind fresh with an electric blender, and you'll still be miles ahead of other shit.

I have an electric blender and an aeropress, I'm at the point where I'm just searching for the Holy grail of beans. Been meaning to check out some local shops but I never have enough time. My gf knows one of the execs at Starbucks that sends her limited release bags which she splits with me but that only does so much.

Daily drink is an Americano with steamed heavy whipping cream.

>>8005499

Barzata Virtuoso grinder
Bonavita 1.7l electronic temperature controlled gooseneck kettle
Chemex 10-cup
Digital scale accurate to 0.1g
Coffee roasted to order and delivered next say by a local roaster.

Pretty deep, in other words.

>>8008483
Have you tried Pact? They're a bit expensive (£6.95 for a 250g bag - that's $9 for about 9oz if they ship to USA) but there's a decent selection and they deliver it vacuum packed to your door. You can choose between beans or ready ground, and read all about the source of the coffee.

I could get you £3 off your first order with my invite code, but I'd profit too and I don't want to seem like I'm shilling my invite code on here.

i don't like coffee

>>8005499
hand grinder with a drip or french press


then I just decided that its not worth the time when I don't care much about the flavor most of the time so I am back at my drip brew machine

>drank 1.5g of caffeine in coffee in a couple hours
>only used to 400mg tops

went to A&E in the evening because they were concerned it'd be a lot for how little i weigh. not being able to sleep until the next evening was the worst part.

any recommendations for beans? i like quite a strong cup. java seems a little weak so far, and the people in the shop who sell them don't seem to be much help.

Espresso, with noting else added to it.

>>8007348
>$2000
Why do people do this

>>8005499
This is a reminder that if you have never willingly had a coffee enema you barely qualify as liking coffee.

>>8007348
>i know nothing about making a coffee
>i want to burn $2000 dollars
crawl before you sprint

>>8006213
quit pretending

>>8006585
>fellow cu/ck/

please stay off this fucking board.

how do i sweeten coffee without making it cloying? i made some coldbrew, but whenever I add the sugar it feels like its seperate to the flavour, doesn't dissolve right.

>>8009516

Problem, cuckle?

>>8009487
>unwilling coffee enema

where do they do this

>>8007866
this is just a lot of people shitposting in coffee's general direction

>>8005499
God I want to fuck those anime girls

>>8009696
There is no such thing as an unfuckable anime girl

>>8005499
I just tried out Happy Mug's Italian roast. It's pretty good. I feel like I should have realized before I bought it that it's best used in a french press, but I don't have one.

>>8009662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bznDjbQLzMo

>>8005499
Any of you living in Italy?
I'm interested in only real coffee aka espresso. What do you think is the best 100% Arabica around?
If you could suggest a Torrefazione (coffee shop in pleb terms) in Milano or northern Italy (you know, where people actually work unlike the rest of the country) that'd be great!

encore, v60 or aeropress, degree accurate electric kettle, buying locally roasted beans twice a week. I need a thermos that I can brew into, to start buying from someone who can do a light roast well and to stop using tapwater

>>8008408
What are you talking about?

>>8009516
Make me

>>8008492
fellow gearfag here

Baratza Encore grinder
Porlex Mini grinder
Bonavita v-spout kettle
>it's fucking leaking and bonavita have terrible CS that are just saying "sorry for the inconvenience"
Hario scales
Hario gooseneck teapot
Hario v60
Hario syphon
Aeropress
Clever dripper
Moka

can't afford a real espresso machine yet tho

well, i think i'm pn my way deeper into the rabbit hole
bought a burr grinder and made a jar of cold brew. just used a sieve and some kitchen roll to make it, but it's still pretty good.

>>8005499
Use Aeropress and drink it black.. so I guess not very far

I really only need one cup in the morning, and I can usually forgo it if I'm feeling lazy but I have a knock off k-cup brewer that i brew whatever is on sale at the grocery store with

Today i found in the discounted food section some coconut creme flavored donut house coffee, three kcups for 99 cents hope its decent.

>>8009897
>Hario scales
they got you good

>>8009897
>can't afford a real espresso machine yet tho

>>8007866
Last coffee thread was very successful. Always starts with a guy or two shouting into an echo chamber thinking they can make a difference on an anime imageboard, but then it drifts back into topic.

I've come to notice that the best places for coffee are those who make it just hot enough to drink without burning the fuck out of your tastebuds. Shout out to the baristas who can do this.

>>8005499
Really, how many nukes would have been enough? 10?

This is as far as I went.
Been using for 2 years now, no more machines for me.

>>8010302
ten times more anime? sign me the fuck up

>>8010314
This.

I've been using my Aeropress every day for close to 8 years now.

The shittiest part about them is forgetting you have a metal filter and ejecting it into the bin, like you would with paper.

>>8007377
Damn. I've heard about this being super common in coffee growing countries - people who pick it for a living don't even know what it tastes like. My condolences, anon.

>>8009638
Try sweetened condensed milk

>>8010494
Also hope you're brewing your coffee at the right temp, and using clean cool water, and fresh(ly ground) beans. I've noticed taste separation from diner coffee before (though I normally have it black).


/Sage

Gonna go back to popping caffeine pills i think.

Right now I just use a dripper. Gonna get off my lazy ass and get a french press soon though.

>>8005724
Hello fellow Nu-male, how is your wife's son?

>>8010634
>Calling someone who watches anime a Nu-male

Last I checked the SJW types hate anime and Japan itself, but won't admit it to avoid being labelled racist. Makes sense since Japans existence utterly destroys their alt left-wing narrative.

>>8005499
I am relatively happy with my current espresso machine and this grinder.

>>8010314
>>8010394
Is a metal filter worth it?

>>8010781
The paper filters affect taste notes quite strongly, so it's hard to tell.

If you had wanted an extraction method that maximizes the taste of coffee oils and the like, you might have picked an espresso machine.

But you are on an aeropress now, so I guess you want the paper filter to take out these tastes? So perhaps a metal filter might not be your thing.

>be instant pleb
>decide to go to some famous coffee shops while I'm in Tokyo
>pay like 700 yen for a tiny cup
>it tastes worse than instant

Frozen* instant is just as good if not better than the old fashioned way, you guys are just like audiophiles who swear up and down vinyl is better than FLAC or something and spend a fortune on headphones that only have a placebo effect.

*that crumbly darker type of instant is dogshit though I'll freely admit.

Do any of you coffeefags ever put coffee in a thermos so you can drink it later in the day at work/school? Is it ever any good?

>>8009471
>>8009496
Up to, senpai. Up to.

>>8011217
Yes. Yes.

I started recently using a french press instead of instant coffee thanks to you guys, pic related is what I use for beans to grind, is this any good? I'm a complete novice with actual brewing so I just used what was in the house?

If it's trash tier any advice of what to get instead? I've heard lighter roasts are more caffinated and taste better so idk, thanks a lot

>>8011412
For a beginner, who comes from instant, it is ok. It is crucial that you grind you're beans yourself and for French press, you'll need a coarser grind as you'd need for drip-over.

If you finished your bag of Lavazza, try to look for a roaster nearby. He'll help you. Also, there is always the internet to order from someone else. I never needed to, so my knowledge is non-existent regarding that.

>>8011437
Some roasters are better than others
If they won't give you a roast date, find someone else
If they get mad at you for asking questions, find someone else
With roast-to-order places all over the internet, there is no reason to patronize "the little guy" just because he's not starbucks
There is no room for surly, filthy, overpriced "muh local hole in the wall roastery" businesses in this day and age

>>8011437
>>8011441

Cool, thanks for the advice going back to uni in a few weeks so I guess I'll look around for a roaster and then look online if I get no luck with that, I use a cheap automatic grinder where you just press down and it does one setting, should I try getting one with multiple settings or a hand grinder? cheers

>>8011450
French press is really unforgiving about grinds, you should definitely get a decent grinder, but they cost.

An aeropress would be somewhat more forgiving of a shitty grind, so if you want to upgrade your brewing for less, you could stick with your shit-tier grinder and spend $30 on an aeropress.

I used to be full autism, roasted my own coffee, used a 0,1 mg accuracy scale. But it's not really worth it. Now I use preground coffee in a french press, standard water boiler.

I bought whole bean and preground eight o clock coffee and they taste basically the same.

>>8011217
yes, but the metal sours the taste of the coffee

>>8011470
Extreme autism ruins a lot of fun things
Look at all the raging anti-weebs we have around here who can't see a mention of sushi without flying off the handle
Guaranteed most of them went through a ken-sama phase and are now wracked with guilt and cringe
See also: people who were retarded hippies in college and turned into shrill right-wing retards in middle age

>>8005499

I'm in a tough place /ck/

I was raised on cafecito cubano, which has tons of sugar in it and lots of caffeine. But lately i've been trying to get /fit/ meaning I've been taking the sugar out of my espressos and i've flat-out stopped drinking cafe con leche.

I-I don't know what to do anymore. Hold me /ck/

>>8005499
Hario hand grinder and pre-roasted beans with an aeropress and a cafetiere. Revolutionised my coffee game.

>>8005848
>he says while posting on an Alaskan king crab escrow market

>>8011504
Hello fellow citizen. Cafe con leche shouldn't be a problem and desu a good espresso doesn't need sugar. You're gonna make it!

>>8011525

I know man, it's just... different. I literally watch my family put in like 4 or 5 spoons of sugar into a tiny cup, (in addition to the sugar already in the espresso maker.)

I am getting used to espresso w/o sugar though.

>>8011525
>good espresso
>bustelo
pick one
>>8011532
get some good single-origin beans, light roast, and brew from an aeropress

this one is cheap and babby-tier if you're not used to lighter roasts. after drinking this for a week you'll be fully transitioned over to /fit/ tier coffee drinking. nothing wrong with sugar and milk with the right bean. this is not the bean for that, just as bustelo is not the bean for black coffee
https://store.georgehowellcoffee.com/coffees/tarrazu-costa-rica-.html

what are some good supermarket brands of coffee?

i dont have any hipster roasters nearby

>>8011609

Evergood

>>8011539

Thank you!

>>8005708
Because workaholics is so much better?
From where I'm sitting both you and OP are fags.

>>8010781
Yes. I've had the Kaffeologie S Filter for a few years and it's served me well.

The only problem is sometimes the grounds stick to the filter and creates a mess.

>>8006986
I used a ninja blender to grind mine. I have a smaller scale one and it took me like, a minute tops?

>>8011609
None.

Just buy beans from Starbucks.

Eight O' Clock is stale chink shit, you don't want any of that.

>>8011650
blonde roast is weak as shit and imparts almost no flavor, it's like i'm drinking watered down tea

>>8011667

It's still decent for only being $11.

Also, are you sure your water was hot enough?

>>8011702
Your overpriced mass market coffee is shit and i'd rather buy eight o clocks because it tastes consistently good and not shit.

Found a great supplier in NJ

Coffee bean direct lads

We going ham with the 25 pound sack

>>8011667
You are a horrible faggot.

Where should i get coffee today?

>>8011609
Order online, for cheap but good look at Happy Mug. For fancy there are tons of em. I usually buy from Blueprint or Sump when I'm not roasting since they're local to me and in my experience on par with the big third wave favorites.

>>8009638

Make a simple syrup. Sugar wont dissolve in cold water very readily. Boil it into a syrup to use, or buy one for cold brew.

>>8011630
I agree with this

>used to be fat as shit
>a nice cup of coffee would be the perfect pick me up in the morning, never left me with a crash
>lost weight
>cant drink 3/4 cup of black coffee without my hands getting extremely shakey, awful light headedness, racing heart, etc

Sometimes I wish I was fat again desu

Then I look in the mirror and those thoughts go away

>>8011217

I use a vac bottle. After about seven hours it may not give me a third degree burn.

>>8007377
The First World sends its thanks.

>>8011609
Assuming the supermarket you're referring to has these:

I've always quite liked Taylor's. Their Hot Lava Java gives a good kick up the arse. That one's only available ready-ground though, no beans. But their Espresso and Rich Italian beans are okay as well.

I found Lavazza to be quite good value, although that may be my unconventional taste talking, and I've only ever tried their Qualita Rossa beans. I think it's widely regarded as a pleb brand of coffee.

You could also get your coffee online if you can spend a bit extra. See >>8008853 for example.

Organic decaf with unsweetened vanilla almond milk and organic stevia extract

Caffeine raises your blood sugar and pure sugar is terrible for you

black coffee peo ple are living in a literal nightmare might as well drink water that shit is mud water

>>8012281
Caffeine has numerous positive health effects buddy

>>8012316
Maybe in a tiny amount like 10mg to increase your blood flow a little

But a cup of coffee is way overkill its like a drug and gives you negative effects

>>8012330

Thanks Spoogyman, 2c has been deposited to your account

>>8009738
... why not just snort some coke

>>8010529
As soon as I get off my lazy ass, I'm ordering an electric kettle so the yuros will stop making fun of me for microwaving my water.

>He doesn't drink instant coffee
This board is autism personified

ex finally understood he's my ex and took his large french press and hand grinder.

What grinder should I get now?

>>8012787

Hario Skelly with a french press that matches its size (30-38g if you really fill it up)

>>8012787
Are you a grill?

>>8012812
No, and I really did try.

>>8005499
I haven't made it back, it seems.
>>8011217
It's good, but, granted, I prefer coffee in the day; so, having some for school is nice.

>>8012795
Does that need to be upgraded?

>>8012643
Those are slow in the U.S. because our standard outlets don't put out as much power. I think you should just get a stovetop whistler.

>>8012871
>stovetop whistler

No temp control.

>>8012828
So you're a transgander goose?

>>8012875
If you're getting a kettle with that, it's worthwhile. A basic on/off boiler often isn't.

>>8010529
>>8012643
How?

Post your mugs lads

>pic related its my mug

>>8013002
aaaaand I posted it sideways

>>8013002
please use coaster to not abrade desk

>>8005499
anime is for nerds

>>8009741
fucking americans...

>>8012846

Am I being memed @?

>>8013016
There's nothing in it. I just placed it on my desk for the picture.

So I'm going from a regular coffee maker to my first espresso machine. Coffee has been my life for the past few weeks. I've been drinking coffee since I was literally a child and I'm just recently going down the rabbit hole.

I've been learning all about different types of coffee, brewing methods, types of drinks, everything I can get my hands on. I dunno why I'm so into this shit, lads, but I'm really stoked for my machine to get here.

I've heard lots of good things about this espresso machine. Looked at a lot of reviews and videos and I liked it. It seems to have a lot of good features at its price point. I'm beyond excited to take my first steps into the rabbit hole.

>pic related

>>8012655
>he comes to a food and cooking board
>complains when people talk about making drinks

>>8005499
Any advice for thicker french press brewing? I think I might not let it steep for long enough.

It usually comes out delicious but a little on the thin and watery side.

I've been using a french press for about six months but still don't get a consistent brew. This is partially because I'm making it when I'm half asleep in the morning.

>>8013112
How long do you steep it for?

>>8013098
>i'm going from a $20 Mr Coffee to a $600 espresso maker rated for commercial usage
don't lie bitch nigga that's why you don't get replies.

>>8013119
30 seconds at the most while swirling it. I've let it steep for 1:30 while having my morning cigarette but it doesn't seem to have as much of an effect.

What does push results is using a lot of grinds (1/4th a cup) ground very finely.

How long would you recommend I let it steep?

>>8013112
Your water:grounds ratio should be 10:1. For example, 350 ml of water (~12 fl oz) for 35 g of coarse grounds, 1 min of stirring, 5 min extraction.

350 ml/12 fl oz is the max amount of liquid the standard coffee mug in 'murica can hold.

>>8013127
Woah that's waaay to short,I swirl mine to make sure the grinds are all mixed in then let it steep for 4 minutes,I recommend coarse grinds when you try this and this way you won't need as many grinds as you were previously using

>>8013122
Why would I lie about that? I just wanted to get into espresso so I bought a good machine with a built in grinder. I don't see why that's so hard to believe.

>>8013133
I really don't mind throwing grinds at it. They make excellent compost and at $12/lb for very good coffee (which comes out to about 40 cents a cup) I'm not stressed.

I do mind waiting four minutes, especially in the mornings when I don't have the time. I will try to respect the ratio >>8013132 and aim for 2:10 to achieve the desired result with less time put in.

>>8013188
Increasing the grounds without increasing the water results in under-extraction (sour taste).

Especially with a french press.

>>8013188
The only problem is that when you extract too soon it will be watery because it hasn't had enough time to set in,do you really not have 4 minutes to wait? It's literally 2 and a half minutes longer than you were previously waiting.

>>8013202
not really.

I've been doing this for half a year I know how to get the right flavor and consistency with the beans I use. I'm sure that we're venturing into foodie territory here.

>>8013220
I said it takes me 30 seconds to make coffee in the morning and I can get the right brew in that time but it's inconsistent.

Yeah I don't really have an extra 3 1/2 minutes. Sure that sounds like nothing until you say alright now you're gonna have to take time out of your morning shower, watching VODs and reading the news, taking a shit, preparing myself for the day etc.

If its the weekend and it's 10am and I have nothing ahead of me I can do it properly (and I fully intend to do a test cup exactly how both of you have recommended because I don't have work tomorrow). But that's not when I get inconsistent results so eh.

>>8013140
I believe u anon

Hello anything i should be aware of when buying a french press?

i'm on that caffeine powder senpai. totally worth switching over from coffee. i feel like shit when i drink coffee now. can't stand that groggy headfeel coffee gives you and i hate smelling it in my pee. mixing caffeine powder into some sodie pop feels completely clean in comparison

there's truly nothing like latte though. coffee is shit but latte and espresso is godly. i could never give either up

as an experienced peruser of coffee i'm going to lay down a hard truth:

french press coffee really isn't as good as properly made drip coffee. drip coffee is only lacking in flavor if you're using crap beans (lol if you expect good coffee from beans that were roasted over two weeks ago) or a crap grinder (lol if you're using a blade grinder). drip coffee is far cleaner and more consistent than french coffee can ever be

>>8013455
They all do the same thing, but higher price usually means better quality plunger/filtration.

A cheap Mr. Coffee french press will let a few coarse grounds through, while a better french press (bodum, idylc, primula) will produce a mostly clean cup.

>>8012875
who on fucking earth needs temperature control? what kind of idiot do you have to be to not be able to figure out how to make water to make coffee? you get it to boiling, put a thermometer in the water, and if it's too hot, wait a minute until it's cooled a little. like holy shit what kind of fucking cuckold retard idiot do you have to be to think you need some nannying computer controlled cuck kettle just to make fucking water for coffee. i swear to god some people are absolutely fucking helpless

>>8013503
>cuck cuck cuck

You killed 4chan.

>>8013509
not him but cuck is one of the easiest terms to dismiss that 4chan has ever meme-ized. just filter it outright.

retards say it like a nazi juden badge. it immediately identifies them as having nothing of value to say. i usually don't filter anything on 4chan since its so easy to miss a decent post because it quoted someone or something like that.

but I guaran-fucking-tee you no one has ever written anything worth reading that contained the word cuck.

still, all that being said, cuck is just autism which is just beta which is just trolling which is just another empty shell word that people have always packaged the same sentiment into: Fuck you but I'm not smart enough to make a point and too much of a coward to be wrong about something

>>8013509
really though what kind of partner is going to be impressed you can't even make coffee water without some dork computer controlled shit to hold your hand and do it for you. "oh honey the way you waste our money on pointless electronic waste because you're too much of a baby to learn how to make hot water turns me on so much oohh fuck me daddy" yeah right

>>8013455
If you get a glass french press, don't use metal tools to stir it. You run a risk of breaking it that way.

>>8013455
>Hello anything i should be aware of when buying a french press?

besides the fact that french press coffee is gross and is prone to raising cholesterol levels?

>>8005499
been drinking coffee since I was 12. Have an actual addiction. Kill me.

>>8013240
>Sure that sounds like nothing until you say alright now you're gonna have to take time out of your morning shower, watching VODs and reading the news, taking a shit, preparing myself for the day etc.

If you truly can't spare 4 minutes, your life isn't worth living, m8.

>>8005499
So deep that my cardiologist says I can't have it anymore.

>>8013455
You don't want a glass one if you plan to use it.

>>8005499
I get these migraine headaches behind my right eye that last for like two or three weeks. Drives me absolutely insane. I discovered, however, that ibuprofen, acetaminophen, and coffee together pretty much kill the pain for like ten hours.

So I'm caffeinated pretty much all hours of the right now. I need coffee to fucking sleep or the pain will wake me up.

>>8014188
Did you see a doctor about that?

>>8014188
prescription lenses

>>8014195
Not a GP. I went to the emergency room the first time this happened because the pressure from the headache was causing me to vomit everything up, even water. Lost like 15 lbs in two weeks. The docs there told me it's a migraine, nothing more, since they're ER doctors who don't give a shit once you're able to walk out, unless you want to order more expensive shit.

I'll see one at some point, but it's incredibly expensive for me because I can't afford good insurance. I hate going to see these bloodsucking fucks. My Dad is pretty much demanding that I pick a doctor to go see, though.

>>8014199
Can glasses cause that?

>>8013098
Please keep us updated when you receive it.

>>8009741
>I'm interested in only real coffee aka espresso

>>8013122
That isn't a commercial machine or even a good home use one

>>8013098
my coworker has the machine on the right. he raves about how good it is. I'm not sure how much I trust him considering he insists an aeropress is an espresso machine
>>8014530
also what this guy said

>>8014274
>notquitegettingthememe.jpg
You tried.
Newfag.

>>8013503
>>8013521

Relax your autism.

Temperature controlled kettles are convenient. If I want to make green tea, I can get it to heat and hold water at 158f while I do something else, or similarly heat and hold at 204f while I get my pour over process set up.

It's not like it was that expensive anyway.

>>8014608
But why not just get to temperature when you need it instead of keeping it at temperature for longer than you needs it. Learn to power efficiency and stop polluting my world, fuckbag.

>>8014633

We're generally talking a minute or two on hold here, not half an hour.

>>8014647
story of your wife's life, i bet.

>>8013002

>>8013098
Breville Barista is shit. Terribly inconsistent pulls, crap temp. You know a machine is shit when reviewers INSIST you warm the fucking machine up for an hour before using it.

>>8007348
Whatever you do get a rancilio Silvia or a good jura

Chemex or what?

I need the best drip

i don't like coffee it tastes like my depression

Are there any decent burr grinders that aren't made of plastic and won't grind themselves to pieces over time?

>>8014857
Most of the reviews were positive from what I saw. I looked at a lot of youtube video reviews as well as reviews from well known coffee blogs. I think this is a good machine to start with cause I'm going from a fucking $15 coffee maker to a $500 machine. Most reviewers say that once you find the right bean and grind setting, it makes great espresso. Its no $1000+ machine that makes orgasmic espresso I'm sure, but for my budget and what I'm looking for, it seems right. I hope it all works out though.

>>8015676
https://www.amazon.com/Pasquini-Moka-Doser-Grinder-Chrome/dp/B0007YYPBO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

>>8016230
>$395

nice meme

>>8016648
well he said he didn't want some plastic piece of crap, so I figured he wouldn't mind spending a few bills on a quality grinder. Besides, having a good grinder is arguably the most important tool in a set-up.

>>8015676
For espresso or brew? For brew there's the Lido or Feldgrind for hand grinders. Under $200 for either.

For electric there's the Bunn G1 which can be modded with Ditting burrs. $200ish for the grinder used off Craigslist, $450 for the burrs.

There are also some very high end Ditting or Mahlkonig options. Those being well over a thousand you'd probably know of them already if you were willing to drop that much.

Don't get something like >>8016230 for brew, it'll be trash grind quality. Honestly subpar for espresso too.


For espresso there are lots of options out there. The lowest thing I could honestly recommend is a used Compak k10 and I'd only do it reluctantly with the better stuff out there now.

>>8009696
Worst comment 2016

I have only used an aeropress for the past 5 years, I bought an autodrip today. Excited to use it tomorrow morning. Oxo 9 cup

>>8016146
both latte love and seattle coffee gear are paid breville shills. i've owned the breville barista, it's crap.

How much coffee do you have to drinkto have a dependence on it?

I want to have a cup or two every day but I don't want to feel tired without it.

>>8017715
you honestly don't need to worry about dependence until you're drinking multiple four cup pots daily

>>8017715
you don't feel tired, coffee withdrawl (like many other forms of withdrawl) will give you headaches

Madcap roasters vs Heart Roasters?

Also any good recommendations from some other roasters? I'm from Cali so I'm spoiled with the LA and SF coffee roasters.

>>8017739
I thought some of the symptoms of coffee withdrawl were fatigue/lack of focus?

>>8007337
>pedophile
>get help

Do you know what website you're on?

>>8005499
>How deep have you gone down the rabbit hole?
kek

to the point where I won a regional barista comp to qualify for state, which I'm training for

...fuck, I need to have more going on in my life

>>8017906
That's kinda cool desu
How do you train? What are the challenges?

Post some of your work anon I'm curious :3

>>8017843
I experience stuff like that.
If I skip coffee for 2 days, I get all cloudy in the head for most of the day.
After that, i'm pretty much cured of coffee dependence.

It's not fun.

>>8017906
>>8017917
This

Which cold brew is best cold brew? I've tried Chameleon and Publix-brand and I liked both.

>>8019998
the cold brew you make yourself

gween tea

>>8020529
cawfee

>>8005724

>wife's son: the post

>>8005708

>OP's face when he watches that

>>8005499
I take amphetamine

I don't know where that falls on the rabbit hole of a low tier stim

>>8018539
How much do you have a day to experience this?

>>8020752
well my mug fits 18oz

so 18oz.

What is the best brand of coffee for a drip brew machine? I know I should get a french press but that's not an option right now.

>>8021872
costco kirkland brand

>>8005499
Been almost a year since getting a Hario Skerton, a french press, scale, timer, etc

No fucking ragrets. At all.

>>8017175
what's a good espresso machine as a noob
I prefer espresso over drip

>>8017764
Anyone?

>>8022291
There is none. Learning curve is pretty high plus you have to be willing to shell out 1000+ for an espresso machine and an extra 500+ for a dedicated grinder.

>dont do it

>>8022302
thanks

>>8009897

>self-described gearfag
>hario scales
>moka

You are a joke and should humble yourself

>>8021872
Don Francisco.

bumpu

Can someone explain the advantages an aeropress over a normal French press? I see them shilled constantly on here but don't quite get what the point of them is supposed to be when a French press makes a perfectly good cup with minimal fuss

>>8023764
>I see them shilled constantly on here but don't quite get what the point of them is supposed to be when a French press makes a perfectly good cup with minimal fuss

its called post-purchase rationalization

>>8023764
It's a more controlled brew because it ends completely when you press the piston. Unlike a french press which continues to extract after pushing the plunger

It's a paper filter so there's no sediment and it's somewhat more forgiving of fines

It's a more concentrated brew, which you can drink full strength or dilute to "normal" strength according to preference

It's not really comparable at all

>>8023764
you'll hear a lot of reasons why, but the actual reason is that it's easier to clean
>compressed puck of coffee that you just eject into the trash
>run the press under some water or just wipe it off
vs having a bunch of loose, wet sludge that you have to deal with

>>8023773
it's the single cheapest piece of brewing equipment most people own, how can it be post-purchase rationalization? with my hand blown chemex, my french press, my V60, my preciso grinder, and the $60 I spend every month on beans, and you think I'm worried about a $30 piece of plastic?

the fact that such an ugly, weird, not to mention CHEAP piece of shit is wildly popular among a crowd that normally thinks expensive and pretty = good ought to tell you something

pic related, people will actually defend this

>>8024106
>People 2x the price of a used Super Jolly for a manual conical grinder.
Not who you are replying to but to me an Aeropress is pointless. If I'm camping I just use an ibrik or a moka pot. If I want an espresso I wait till I'm home and do it properly. It's also deceptive in that it look portable but actually requires a whole load of fuss to do it properly and you couldn't carry a proper grinder with you anyway so what's the point? Also, pretty sure V60s cost less than Aeropresses

>>8024138
>ibrik
Not the same thing
>espresso
Not the same thing
>it looks portable
No more or less than any other single-cup setup
>fuss
No more or less than anything else

It might be time for you to discover that "espresso" isn't "strong coffee" and "strong coffee" isn't espresso

An aeropress isn't an espresso machine nor is a moka pot, and a moka pot isn't an aeropress.

They produce different tasting results, because they are different

>>8009897
Used Gaggia Classics cost $70. You've easily paid twice that.

Pretty far but got all the expensive gear on the cheap:
Used GC for $70 - Great, but now I want to mod it.
Used 65mm flat-burr Eureka MDCMA for $120 - Great, was a pain to clean
Hario Mizudashi Cold Brew Jug - Terrible, I do the Mason Jar + 2 stage straining method now
Moka Pot - Great, take it on holidays and camping
Porlex knock-off (ceramic) - Acceptable for holidays and camping
Beko Turkish coffee maker - Great if you're in a rush. 10/10 crema each time. A little on the watery side though because it doesn't brew for as long as it should
Ceramic V60 - Great, really like it. Use it with the non-bleached filters
Ibrik - camping or when feel like I wanna take my time with it

Total: around $300 for the whole lot over the course of 8 years = $40 a year. I can live with that.

>>8009897
>Hario syphon
>Hario scales
>Clever Dripper
>Aeropress
>Bonavita v-spout kettle

>can't afford a real espresso machine yet tho

All that useless shit, when you could have bought a new Silvia for that money.

>>8013098
Please don't pay $600 for a Breville Barista. Breville is consistently mediocre at everything they do.

Split your money 50/50 and buy a Mahlkoenig Vario and a Silvia (that you can then PID, add a gauge to it etc.)

If you're not bothered about buying used and live in a big city go on gumtree or craigslist or the buy/sell section of a coffee forum and you will find many MUCH better deals than both that and what I suggested. Seriously don't do it. You could get some serious gear with that money.

Remember: The grinder is more important than the machine!!!!!!

>>8007348
Get an S1. It's bang on your money

>>8016146
>Its no $1000+ machine that makes orgasmic espresso I'm sure, b
A $1000+ machine without a proper grinder will give you shit.

Your spending should be allocated:
1. Your grinder
2. Your beans
.
.
.
3. Your machine

>>8024217
I'm getting a second hand one of these for $250AUD. Did I do good?

>>8024270
>250AUD
That's 2/3 of their price new in the UK (£324) so no in UK terms.

BUT: Google tells me they cost 900AUD in Oz so yeah seems like you did pretty well. As long as you're under or equal to 50% of the sticker price you did well. Cheapest Silvia I've seen recently was £80 a couple of weeks ago.

Dunno how much water hardness varies according to region in Oz but here in the UK it varies wildly. Harder water = tons of scale, I never buy anything from London or the areas near it - made that mistake once never again.

>>8024308
Sorry that's 1/2 the UK RRP so even in UK terms that's a good deal.

>>8024270
Make sure you read up everything you can on them on home-barista, coffeegeeks, coffeeforums etc. It's a slightly temperamental machine AFAIK and you can damage it if you heat it without any water in the boiler so be careful. Other than that it's a really good machine according to what I've read. There's a reason that and the Gaggia Classic are so popular. Also, you'll probably end up adding a pressure gauge or a PID somewhere down the line like many people do.

>>8005499
I like drinking coffee every morning with breakfast. I don't want to deal with a machine, so I've been using instant coffee for the past 6 months or so. I like that it's cheap and fast. I'm worried about the acrylamide, however. Should I consider switching to a french press or cowboy method if I'm concerned about my health?

>>8024333
Get a Porlex knock-off on amazon for like $15
Get a V60 (non-BPA plastic one goes for $5) and unbleached filters. Takes 3mins to brew.
Buy the best quality coffee beans you can afford from a local roaster or an online shop.

Thank yourself for not poisoning yourself anymore and finally realising what coffee tastes like.

>>8024344
You can also buy a Bialetti (about 5min to brew) for $20. Don't get the Brikka, it's a meme, get the Moka which is cheaper.

>>8024350
>Don't get the Brikka, it's a meme

holy fucking shit. some guy told me its awesome. why is it bad now?

>>8024344
>V60

thoughts on the v60 vs a moka pot?

>>8024704
It supposedly produces crema (which for many of the users disappears quickly or doesn't even make it into the cup). Part of the mechanism by which it does this, results in a higher brewing pressure, however this requires a longer time to be reached (and a higher temp I'd imagine). With Moka pots you generally want the coffee to be in there for as short a time as possible, hence the trick that most people do where they let the bottom half on the stove first to heat the water and only add the basket and screw the top half on when the water is beginning to bubble. The longer the coffee stays in there the more it will burn and you don't want that. You'll never get the 30 seconds that it takes to brew an espresso but at least you can get away with 2 or even 1 minute. However, that hob needs to be on a low setting (about 1/3 of your hob's power), basically just enough to get that water to boil and no more. You will know that you've done it right if the coffee is slowly oozing out the top rather than bursting out.

tl;dr you get fake crema (and not even that is guaranteed) and you lose flavour (and an extra $10)

>>8024725
Completely different. V60 makes good filter coffee, a moka pot makes a sort of longer version of an espresso. Get both, a v60 only costs about $10 (price of filters and the plastic v60) if you already have a kettle.

>>8025000
Are the filters reusable or is there an initial outlay on the v60 product and then you're locked into buying proprietary filters for the lifetime of the product?
Unlike a moka pot which is a single-purchase product.

Hey guys.

>>8021872
>brand

you're wasting your time if you're buying your beans at the grocery store. beans start to lose their flavor a week after roasting. how fresh do you really think those beans at your grocery store are? hint: they aren't. you want to find a local coffee place that roasts their beans in-store and ask them how long they've been on the shelf.

>>8009736
I just got some honey processed costa Rica whole bean from happy mug and I quite enjoyed it, brewed in an aeropress and it had a citrus like taste. Would recommended

>>8025012
Not reusable, you could try rinsing them but there would be coffee oil residue. I don't think the V60 comes with them but they cost $6 for 100 so kinda negligible.

>>8025875
anyone know anything about the Saeco Sirena machine? i can get one for $80

>>8025943
P.S.I. isn't that great. Be warned that your extractions will be pretty bad in general
>>8025438

>nujabes
>coffee

Please be a grill and marry me.

>>8025943
As far as I can tell it's a decent machine. At that money you could almost certainly find a Gaggia Classic, which won't be CRAZY better but it has a shit-ton of forum posts, tutorials and spare-parts available online. To me, that alone is worth getting one.

The Sirena seems to have a good boiler, a good portafilter (Some say it's 52, some say its 58mm chromed brass, if that's the case that's a proper commercial type one) but I don't know if it has an OPV to adjust pressure and to me it seems like it would be hard to tinker with due to it's shape/size. If you can haggle $10-20 dollars off the price then definitely go for it, otherwise have a look for what Classics you can find in your area and judge accordingly. This machine, used, should cost about $20 less than a used Classic, according to what I've seen on gumtree etc. If buying a Classic make DAMN sure it's a pre-2015 model. After 2015, Saeco (who also owns Gaggia) made a ton of bad changes to them.

>>8025943
P.S. Do you have a grinder?

So I finally bought a BV382510V and learned why the price on Amazon yo-yo's so much.

It seems the Chinese factory Bonavita uses is unreliable as fuck and whether or not you get one without some defect or mistake is a gamble, usually a broken sensor or a rusty lid.

I somehow got a 120v model with chink labels.

>>8026048
yeah, nothing that great though. just a breville dose control pro

>>8026147
There's a shitload of fake and grey market stuff on Amazon, might as well cut out the middleman and go Ali express

>>8026597
The seller was Amazon themselves though, so I qualified for a free replacement.

>>8026628
Amazon has been caught selling fakes too

But the easy returns are nice

>>8026592
Spend that $80 on a grinder. I reckon for that money you could find a used Baratza Encore or a Virtuoso for a little more, or an Iberital MC2 for that money. If you went to the $100-120 mark you could find really excellent used grinders. Then save up for an espresso machine.

Two reasons for that: You can use a good grinder for all your other methods of coffee preparation and it will vastly improve the quality of your coffee

You can buy the best espresso machine in the world but if you don't have a good grinder you will get mediocre results.

Also, look at the grind particle differentiation graph in this article. You will notice how much better the Baratza does even though it's actually cheaper to buy new than a Breville.

http://thesweethome.com/reviews/the-best-coffee-grinder/

>>8026876
a dose control pro is a better grinder than the encore bro

>>8026928
No it's not. It's actually a tiny bit worse, but it's fancier looking. Of course if he's gonna upgrade he might as well get something much better rather than a little better.

>>8026967
medium grind isn't really relevant considering it's being used for espresso. the dcp performs better than the encore at espresso & turkish fineness

>>8026981
If you say so. The Virtuoso isn't that much more expensive than the Breville and it's a better espresso grinder. All I'm saying is that Breville seems to consistently be a bit of a rip-off. They usually add all sorts of cool (and useful) features to make their products more appealing but the actual parts that matter aren't as great as what you could get with that money.

>>8026981
Also, in the last few months I've seen used Mazzers for $150, Nuova Simonellis and Eurekas for $100, Iberital MC2s for $80, Ascaso l1s for $100 and so on. Replacement burrs don't cost more than $20-30 and the bigger diameter the less wear they will have. I really don't understand people who pay $180 for a new Breville.

>>8027034
it was $120 new. likewise replacement stainless steel burr is like $25 on breville.com. and spending $150 on a spin of a dice isn't really being frugal

i won't drink coffe anymore becouse my neurologist banned it since i'm treating my CRONIC AND UNCURABLE migraine
but that's ok, i plan to suicide drinking 2L of coffe some day
go out brain and heart busted, just how i'm meant to die

>>8027059
That's a more reasonable price, I would pay that much.

Used grinders are not really a roll of the dice at all. You get to see them, some sellers even let you use them and on anything with flat burs and over 60mm, it takes A LOT of coffee to wear them down.

Should I buy a 2-group La Spaziale S1 and a Macap MXD for $800?

Do any of you tried growing your own coffee?

>>8027164
Probably not worth the time, effort, land, equipment etc. required.

>>8027164
that's what mexicans are for

>>8012871
>Those are slow in the U.S. because our standard outlets don't put out as much power.
>tfw only just now I realize US power outlets can only shit out 1800 watt
That said, an 1800 watt kettle still isn't that bad. Most kettles here don't go much over that, most are just 2000 watt.

Tried adding salt to mine for the first time last week, holy shit /ck/ why did nobody tell me what a great idea this is?

>>8026147
I love this kettle

so is frieze dried coffee always shit or is it just a meme? pic related is what my parents have been drinking for years now, but it tastes like shit black as you can imagine. is a grinder + beans the only way to get into "real" coffee (aka the ones that don't taste like shit black).

>>8027566
Always shit

>>8027566
try this
it's not GOOD coffee but it's crazy how much better it is than other brands of instant coffee

>>8027566
Unless you're willing to get autistic about roast dates and such, you're better off sticking with instant. You don't need to be getting Panama Gesha or some fancy shit like that, but if you drink a lot of coffee plan on spending like $12 a week on your fix, rather than whatever it is you spend now (presumably much less). You also need to find a roaster nearby that isn't shit, or oder from the internet

People who buy non-instant coffee at the grocery store, roasted god-knows when, out of god-knows what, for like $8/lb, are just flushing money down the toilet. Pre-ground or not, it's the same garbage.

>>8027820

Can confirm. Best alternative for lazy fuckers.

>>8027839
>False dichotomy
There's a middle ground between drinking sludge and being an autistic poorfag

>>8027839
Basically everything about this post is an outright lie.

>>8027839
I get top quality organic or microlot beans from my local roaster for between $7-$8 per 250g. If I drink one cup of V60 brew per day (which uses 27g), I need 3x 250g bags per month. That's $24 or $6 per week. More than a jar of instant but by no means a lot of money and I get to enjoy fucking amazing coffee every day.

>>8027872
*local but internet based roaster

>>8027856
I don't know which one the sludge is and which one the poorfag is, so I'm not really seeing your point

The point is, instant coffee is pretty tolerable if you're mixing it with scaleded whole milk and sugar, which is pretty much what it's meant for

Good coffee requires some level of parity between bean quality, roast, freshness, grind, water, and brewing method

It can only be as good as the worst of all of those elements

When you're starting with bad beans (stale or low quality), no amount of voodoo with grinders and pourover digital scales is going to make a difference

I am pretty autistic about my coffee I brew at home but I'll drink instant at an indian restaurant at least once a month. I'd sooner just do that and make things easy, than fuck around with running Maxwell House through a grinder and timing my brews

It's like buying $400 headphones so you can listen to Youtube videos. Just why?

>>8027872
I go through a 341g bag of coffee each week, it's about $12 a bag

If you don't drink much coffee, obviously your budget will be lower

>>8027856
Being an autistic poorfag who drinks sludge and being autistic about grind dates*

Instant: absolute trash
Preground: flavorless trash
Whole bean not from shit like Dunkin Donuts/Tim Hortons/Starbucks: actually good coffee

If you seriously believe there's no difference between preground and ground or that whole bean is expensive or that it costs nearly $12/week (not like that's even a lot of money) then you're outright retarded and just lying

>>8027895
>Whole bean not from shit like Dunkin Donuts/Tim Hortons/Starbucks: actually good coffee
That's pretty vague, whole beans roasted six months ago from a fancy brand costs basically the same as whole beans roasted today from the same fancy brand, and there is a marked difference in quality

What's the point? You like flushing money down the toilet?

Just drink instant

>>8027906
>Literally the only coffee that exists is six month old "fancy brand" and instant
I sincerely can't tell if I'm being trolled

>>8027915
You should really work on your reading comprehension if you think that's what I said

Re-read my posts... actually no, make that the entire thread, and don't post again until you understand

There is some decent instant coffee, right now just one brand, "Sudden Coffee". There's another one or two planning to enter the market though.

Comes out pretty expensive though. $3 a cup.

>>8027880
>than fuck around with running Maxwell House through a grinder and timing my brews

Few people do that. Even people who don't know better or couldn't be arsed getting more involved will eventually buy beans from Starbucks or somewhere like that. It's still far better than instant. Instant coffee is to proper coffee is what Kraft singles are to cheese.

>>8027931
>starbucks better than instant
No, it really isn't. And the fact that it costs the same as real coffee just makes it worse

Stop giving coffee advice

>>8027887
Like I said, if you want to get by cheaply I don’t feel like $6 a week is a lot of money although if you’re on a tight budget I understand that’s the cost of a decent, home-cooked meal. However, it works out as 85c per 320ml mug of coffee and that’s cheap even by the standards of shit takeaway coffee and you will be drinking Organic Sumatra or Guatemala Finca El Derrumbo or whatever the fuck delicious micro-lot hipster shit your roaster has that week. I'll put it to you this way, I became a coffee drinker after finding a good roaster, until then drinking instant was just not an option for me. I truly find it terrible.

>>8027935
I was referring to Starbucks beans you mouth-breather. You really suck at reading comprehension don't you?

>>8027954
I wish there was a roaster near me. They're all downtown and I'm in the burbs

>>8027962
No, I can see how you might, in your desperation, think I misunderstood you, but I got you just fine. Starbucks beans are shit. Seems you're the one that sucks at reading comprehension, maybe drink some more or your third-rate ashes until you wake up?

>>8027978
Just order online. There are so many roast-to-order joints on the internet, unless you live in Svalbard or something, you have no excuse.

The people sincerely arguing for buying Starbucks bags at your local grocery store need to get kicked in the nuts.

>>8027989
http://49thcoffee.com/collections/coffee Should I try the pricey foreign sounding stuff or start smaller?

>>8027983
>third-rate ashes
>unironically calls instant good
M8 I drink top quality stuff because, unlike you it seems, I can afford to buy proper beans from my local roaster. Starbucks beans are shit yes, but they're less shit than instant. If you cannot taste the difference then that's your problem, but stop shitting up this thread with your instant spray-dried shit. It's not good and it won't be however annoying you get about it.

>>8027954
I'm not guessing whether $12 a week is a lot for anyone, or not. I'm financially comfortable and it's nothing to me, I happen to like the $12 coffee more than the more expensive coffee at the place I order from. It's great. I sometimes order more expensive stuff for variety's sake, but I always go back to the cheap stuff because it's just objectively great coffee.

The point is, I think it's a waste of energy to buy a grinder and brewing gear if you're just going to drink burned Starbucks shit from Safeway, or Maxwell House, or whatever. Does it taste different? Sure. But the question is, does it taste better. And it doesn't.

Any coffee that causes involuntary grimaces when drinking it cannot be endorsed, even if it seems more "respectable" because you ground it all by yourself like a big boy.

>>8027978
This >>8027989
Order online. Many online-based roasters manage to have really good prices because they don't have the costs of maintaining a hipster shopfront and some of them do good subscription type deals.

>>8028022
Nobody is arguing for this, enough with the strawmen m8. This began when we claimed instant is shit and you claimed it isn't, don't try and shift the discussion. Have you invested in Nestle stock or what?

Like I said, instant coffee belongs in a coffee thread as much as Kraft Singles belong in a cheese thread. You can justify it all you want, but at the end of the day you're just a lazy fucker who drinks worse coffee than he could be drinking for much the same money.

>>8028015
Between coffees of equal freshness and quality, here's the stuff that you'll notice the difference, from most to least
>roast level
>blend or not blend
>processing method (washed/pulped/natural/etc)
>specific terroir and varietals
Most people have already made up their mind with the first three, there's little room leftover for splitting hairs over the last item, which, ironically, is the one that affects the cost the most

>>8028042
Cont'd

You don't even have the convenience argument now that I think of it. You can make big batches of cold-brew and have it hot or cold which requires absolute minimal preparation. You're just a lazy pleb and you should feel bad.

>>8028042
Nobody is arguing for what? There's no strawman. Someone asked if they should get a grinder to "upgrade" over instant. I explained under what circumstances they should.

It's kind of amusing to see you try to snob out over your Starbucks grocery store ashes at this point, do you also consider Cheesecake Factory to be fine dining?

>>8028050
>specific terroir and varietals
>Most people have already made up their mind with the first three
I've kinda made up my mind with regards to the 3rd one. I've yet to try an African coffee that I liked and I've tried a whole bunch of Ethiopean and Kenyan varieties from many different roasters. Central American micro-lot varietes on the other hand seem to be consistently great.

>>8028060
I.don't.drink.Starbucks.coffee.
I don't know how to drill this into your thick skull. What I was saying is that, even shit-tier beans like Starbucks are better than instant. Because they are! If you don't see why that's your problem.

Do those home roasters have any merit to them? Roasting my own beans at home sounds fun but opinion seems to be across the board about it.

Plus I just really hate talking to the old ladies at the coffee store.

>>8028071
>What I was saying is that, even shit-tier beans like Starbucks are better than instan
And what I was saying is, they aren't. You tell yourself they must be, because grinding seems to make it into a Real Serious Brewing Affair, and of course costs more means tastes better.

I really don't think you've ever had good coffee before.

>>8028066
Maybe you just don't like the taste of dry process coffee.

>>8028087
You can try and spin this anyway you want or "insult" me in any childish way you choose to.

But all we need to keep from this exchange is that you have admitted to unironically, honestly, enjoying instant coffee and that you prefer it over freshly-ground, freshly-brewed coffee. You have announced your pleb status loudly and clearly, no need to carry on.

>>8028117
>unironically, honestly, enjoying instant coffee
Yes. You should try some dissolved in scalded whole milk with some sugar, it's actually quite good, a small miracle of food science.

> that you prefer it over freshly-ground, freshly-brewed coffee
That I did not say. Otherwise I wouldn't bother ordering a weekly shipment of actual good coffee. I appreciate it for what it is, because I have a mouth that works, and no cash flow issues, and therefore I don' judge things by what they cost or what kind of social status I perceive them as giving me.

>You have announced your pleb status
Let's talk about plebs here, shall we?

You think Starbucks is better than instant, indicating that your mouth is completely broken. You proudly drink coffee roasted by some local moron, which you've admitted is on the same tier as Starbucks.

You're literally defending coffee that costs, I'm going to hazard a guess here and say at least $10 a pound, that is designed to perform the exact same function as instant coffee crystals: dissolve it in hot milk, and add sugar. And you're probably drinking it black, and you've learned to suppress your grimace for so long that you sincerely think you like it.

>>8028099
>dry process coffee
Is that more prevalent in Africa? It might actually, because my second-least favourite coffee varieties tend to be Brazilian ones and I just read that dry process is popular in Brazil. However, I tried a Brazilian that I liked recently, I think it was Daterra Sunrise.

I know this is too vague, given the massive variety and range in quality they produce, but Costa Rica and Guatemala seem to produce amazing coffee. Costa Rica's Tarrazu 'Finca Hermosa' is really good and surprisingly cheap.

>>8028134
Yes, it's basically ubiquitous in Africa. I guess there's less water to go around.

>>8028133
>Yes. You should try some dissolved in scalded whole milk with some sugar, it's actually quite good, a small miracle of food science.
So....you're suggesting I try as hard as I possibly can to mask the horrible flavour of instant coffee? Yes, I'm sure with enough added ingredients it might be drink-able, after all that's what Starbucks does with their drinks.

>That I did not say.
You literally said that.

>You think Starbucks is better than instant, indicating that your mouth is completely broken. You proudly drink coffee roasted by some local moron, which you've admitted is on the same tier as Starbucks.
>You're literally defending coffee that costs, I'm going to hazard a guess here and say at least $10 a pound, that is designed to perform the exact same function as instant coffee crystals: dissolve it in hot milk, and add sugar. And you're probably drinking it black, and you've learned to suppress your grimace for so long that you sincerely think you like it.

My roaster is not on the same level as Starbucks (which I disapprove of), he's one of the best in the UK and I have no problem buying a £6, £10 or £25 250g bag of coffee as long as it tastes good. Some of my favourite varieties were some of my roaster's cheapest. If you think me or anyone else considers coffee a status thing then that speaks more about you than us. I drink good black pour-over, cold-brew and espresso and unlike you my palate is not broken enough to consider instant coffee good. Stop trying to prove that instant coffee is good, because it isn't.

tea is better

>>8028154
That makes sense. All of them seemed to have a slightly "dirty" taste to them and from what I'm reading that could be caused by the dry-process.

>>8028172
>Yes, I'm sure with enough added ingredients it might be drink-able, after all that's what Starbucks does with their drinks.
You're slowly starting to get it
>You literally said that.
Quote the line that you misunderstood, then. Most likely just by re-reading it you'll see where you went wrong.
>he's one of the best in the UK
That doesn't really say much though now, does it.
>If you think me or anyone else considers coffee a status thing then that speaks more about you than us
Do bongs not understand what the word "pleb" means? Maybe you should try not to use such big words in the future, senpai.

>>8028187
>You're slowly starting to get it
And you’re slowly admitting that instant actually tastes like shit and that you like brown sugary milk drink.

>Quote the line that you misunderstood, then. Most likely just by re-reading it you'll see where you went wrong.
>And what I was saying is, they aren't. You tell yourself they must be, because grinding seems to make it into a Real Serious Brewing Affair, and of course costs more means tastes better.

>That doesn't really say much though now, does it.
Cool meme there, let’s not get started about American food & drink """"""culture""""" now shall we?

>Do bongs not understand what the word "pleb" means? Maybe you should try not to use such big words in the future, senpai.
You’re on a food&drink board, pleb refers to your plebby taste, your underdeveloped peasant-tier palate which allows you to enjoy instant coffee not your actual socio-economic status. If I’m offending you by using the world pleb I can use that other chan classic “babby-tier”.

>>8028231
It tastes like shit if you try to use it like you use normal coffee. It's pretty cool for what it is.
>And what I was saying is, they aren't. You tell yourself they must be, because grinding seems to make it into a Real Serious Brewing Affair, and of course costs more means tastes better.
What part of "Starbucks isn't better than instant" means that I prefer instant over the coffee I drink every day? You're making a lot of assumptions about me, based on your own ideas of coffee, but those assumptions are wrong just as your mouth is broken.

So let's be clear here because you are really dumb, and probably drunk: Starbucks and instant coffee taste different. Starbucks is not better than instant coffee. They taste different. Starbucks is not better.

Is there any way to make that clearer? Obviously not, because you think Starbucks beans are some fancy "patrician" high class thing, obviously. There's no helping people like you.

>tl;dr I was just pretending to be stupid
No, you really didn't know what pleb meant and you spent 16 minutes looking it up. Amazing.

>>8028248
>It tastes like shit if you try to use it like you use normal coffee. It's pretty cool for what it is.
Instant coffee is not cool and never will be, all you're doing by shilling for it is further proving how bad a taste you have.

>What part of "Starbucks isn't better than instant" means that I prefer instant over the coffee I drink every day? You're making a lot of assumptions about me, based on your own ideas of coffee, but those assumptions are wrong just as your mouth is broken.
>So let's be clear here because you are really dumb, and probably drunk: Starbucks and instant coffee taste different. Starbucks is not better than instant coffee. They taste different. Starbucks is not better.
>Is there any way to make that clearer? Obviously not, because you think Starbucks beans are some fancy "patrician" high class thing, obviously. There's no helping people like you.
I don't think that. I think what I posted about 10.000 times already in this thread, which is that even SHIT-TIER beans like Starbucks, once freshly-ground and freshly-brewed produce a result that is better than instant coffee. Jesus, I don't know how to explain this to you so that you get it.

>No, you really didn't know what pleb meant and you spent 16 minutes looking it up. Amazing.
Do you actually know people who don't know what the word pleb means? Is this considered some kind of fancy word in America? Do you want me to use Simple English, to make you feel more comfortable?

>>8028278
I'm not shilling anything, tard. If anyone is shilling it's you, trying to trick people into buying a Lido2 and an Aeropress so they can enjoy their patrician garbage from the grocery store that magically turns into good coffee if you do enough voodoo. It's plain as day you don't know what good coffee is, because you actually believe this crap.

> I think what I posted about 10.000 times already in this thread, which is that even SHIT-TIER beans like Starbucks, once freshly-ground and freshly-brewed produce a result that is better than instant coffee

Except that's fucking wrong, because your mouth is broken. The whole point of Starbucks beans is to be used mixed with milk and sugar. It is completely unpalatable any other way. And yet, here you are, claiming it's somehow worlds beyond instant coffee, which does the same thing with zero fuss, at 1/10 the price. Your actual logic seems to be that "if I run it through the grinder that makes it fancy, also the fact that I am a patrician who can totally afford $10 for a bag of ashes". Retard logic.

>Do you actually know people who don't know what the word pleb means?

In real life? No. In this thread, I just met one, though. Pleasure to meet you, always interesting to learn the strange things bongs believe about words, coffee, and so on.

>>8028287

>I'm not shilling anything, tard. If anyone is shilling it's you, trying to trick people into buying a Lido2 and an Aeropress so they can enjoy their patrician garbage from the grocery store that magically turns into good coffee if you do enough voodoo. It's plain as day you don't know what good coffee is, because you actually believe this crap.
I own neither of these two things and I have advised people against buying both OE grinders (all of them not just the Lido) and the Aeropress, indeed I do so earlier in this thread. Keep assuming shit to make yourself feel better.

>Except that's fucking wrong, because your mouth is broken. The whole point of Starbucks beans is to be used mixed with milk and sugar. It is completely unpalatable any other way. And yet, here you are, claiming it's somehow worlds beyond instant coffee, which does the same thing with zero fuss, at 1/10 the price. Your actual logic seems to be that "if I run it through the grinder that makes it fancy, also the fact that I am a patrician who can totally afford $10 for a bag of ashes". Retard logic.
So basically instant coffee is better than actual coffee, okay gotcha.
>In real life? No. In this thread, I just met one, though. Pleasure to meet you, always interesting to learn the strange things bongs believe about words, coffee, and so on.
I on the other hand learnt nothing new. The fact that Americans like disgusting, processed-to-fuck, factory-made imitations of actual foods and drinks is well-known.

Let’s end this here, we’ve wasted enough time arguing on this. It’s clear that you not only consider instant coffee acceptable, but also better than freshly brewed and freshly ground coffee (yes even that made from shitty Starbucks beans). One piece of advice: cancel your monthly shipment of “good-quality beans” as you’re obviously wasting your money, I can’t imagine how someone who enjoys instant coffee can conceivably have a palate that appreciates actual good coffee.

>>8028359
>I own neither of these two things
Fine, a Rancilio rocky or whatever it is you wasted your money on. No matter what kind of equipment you bought, you're putting ashes through it.
>So basically instant coffee is better than actual coffee, okay gotcha.
Taste wise? They're on the same level. The fact that one costs 10x what the other costs? Retards like you will defend it, because in England they don't have good coffee, and it confuses them to see foreigners arguing over coffee when it's all the same crap. So you assume there must be to this coffee thing, and judge by price tag. Starbucks costs 10x what instant crystals cost, ergo Starbucks is better coffee. Sad, but not surprising.
>I on the other hand learnt nothing new
Obviously not, but how could you? You lack the frame of reference to discuss coffee. It's like trying discuss sex with a eunich.

>>8028395
>Fine, a Rancilio rocky or whatever it is you wasted your money on. No matter what kind of equipment you bought, you're putting ashes through it.
For the umpteenth time: I don't buy Starbucks beans, you thick fucking cunt. Also, Rockies are shit.

>Taste wise? They're on the same level. The fact that one costs 10x what the other costs? Retards like you will defend it, because in England they don't have good coffee, and it confuses them to see foreigners arguing over coffee when it's all the same crap. So you assume there must be to this coffee thing, and judge by price tag. Starbucks costs 10x what instant crystals cost, ergo Starbucks is better coffee. Sad, but not surprising.
>Obviously not, but how could you? You lack the frame of reference to discuss coffee. It's like trying discuss sex with a eunich.

Time to end this so let's keep it simple: Do you ever voluntarily drink instant coffee? Yes or no?

>>8028427
>damage control intensifies
It puzzles me why you even bother pretending to like coffee. But then I remembered. There's some weird pleb vs patrician thing going on over in England, I guess because coffee is seen as an exotic foreign thing, and you're the English version of an Ameriboo? Kind of like how in Sweden there's this weird subculture where people wear confederate flag shirts and ride American motorcycles?

>>8028440
Stop using chanspeak and greentext, to cover your tracks you utter cretin. You posts are here for all to read.

Answer the question: Do you ever choose to drink instant coffee?

>>8028446
Re-read the thread, Ameriboo. There is nothing for me to cover because I drink coffee for the taste, not as a counter-culture fashion statement. I'm not hunting through hundreds of posts to show you what I've already shown you.

You should really come and visit us some time assuming you have no ASBOs on your record, you might have a chance to taste competently roasted coffee and then we might actually be able to have a real conversation about coffee, instead of your ridiculous posturing over Starbucks and how it's almost as good as "the best coffee in all of England"

>>8028463
Oh my god, you really don't want to admit it do you? That's okay I'll just quote your posts from earlier as an epilogue to this wonderful display of tastelessness on your part:
>Unless you're willing to get autistic about roast dates and such, you're better off sticking with instant
>The point is, instant coffee is pretty tolerable if you're mixing it with scaleded whole milk and sugar, which is pretty much what it's meant for
>I am pretty autistic about my coffee I brew at home but I'll drink instant at an indian restaurant at least once a month.
>Just drink instant
>Yes. You should try some dissolved in scalded whole milk with some sugar, it's actually quite good, a small miracle of food science.

Here we you go, your pleb-tastes laid bare for all to see. I think my favourite one was the “small miracle of food science one”. I don’t think that even the people who invented instant coffee have ever said that.

>>8028482
>coffee isn't about social status
>but here let me have a stroke over someone actually enjoying some cheap crap after a cheap meal
>ok now that that's over, let's get classy with some patrician Starbucks
The hilarity continues

>>8028498
Ah, now that you mention the Indian restaurant again: I think I should have figured out how clueless you are from the moment you admitted that your preferred sugary milk drink at Indian restaurants was instant coffee rather than Masala chai.

>>8028508
You dumb ass bongs are really in your own little world aren't you? Are there only Pakis there or something?

South Indians drink coffee. They're supposed to use finely ground actual coffee but most South Indian joints (I guess you don't have any) use instant. After a volcanic hot South Indian lunch there's nothing better than a sweetened cup of nescafe in hot milk with a ton of sugar.

Masala chai. I'd be cringing, but my cringe muscles are already exhausted from reading the crazy shit you've posted already.

>>8028523
>there's nothing better than a sweetened cup of nescafe in hot milk with a ton of sugar.
That's it, keep going. The more you post the more you prove I was right about you all along.

>>8028530
All you're proving is that you're used to being the coolest cat in town (wow! he drinks the American drink! and with the authentic "grinder" method!) and you're not really used to talking about coffee outside of your easily impressed group of Tetley drinkers.

>>8028523
You went from:
>Instant is on the same level as shitty starbucks beans
to
>nothing better than sweet nescafe

in the space of 10 posts. At this rate, in another 10 posts you'll admit you've never actually had non-instant coffee. Will you save us the effort and just admit it now?

>>8028537
>coffee
>american drink
I think I'll stop posting, you're doing my work for me at this point. I couldn't possible be lay more irony on you than you already have yourself.

>>8028537
>coffee
>the american drink
I think I'll stop posting, you're doing my work for me at this point. I couldn't possible lay more irony on you than you already have yourself.

>>8028540
If they were serving sweetened starbucks I'd drink it. If they were serving cuban style cafe con leche I'd drink that. You can go look up cafe con leche, I know you don't know what that is.

Point being, that's a completely different type of drink than black coffee, and starts with a different kind of base ingredient: shit tier beans, usually burned to a crisp, or, if desired, instant. Same basic result.

And here you are recommending the use of that kind of bean, and autistically grinding it in your special grinder that's even more special than a Lido2, because your hipster bong friends who have never even smelled good coffee before think that's totally "deck" or whatever they're saying in your weird little bubble of Pakis and tetley drinkers.

>>8028545
You should have stopped posting about 2 hours ago, but I gather by posting bizarre beliefs to trigger the Americans, this is how you learn about coffee. Maybe you did learn something, maybe not. I know you'll never let on.

>>8028551
>If they were serving sweetened starbucks I'd drink it
There we go, my work here is done. Cheerio!

>>8028564
>furiously googling "cafe con leche"

>>8028576
Gee I wonder what the Spanish phrase for "coffee with milk" could possibly be?

Not only have you admitted you love sugary milky instant coffee, you've also negated pretty much a whole thread's worth of arguing and admitted you'd gladly drink sweetened Starbucks too. I really don't think I can top that. I'll allow you the dignity looking the other way, while you log on to your coffee delivery service and quietly cancel it. Just think of all the Nescafe jars you can buy with that money my dear friend.

>>8028587
You're the one who has been furiously defending Starbucks this whole time, I'd think you'd be pleased that a real American occasionally deigns to drink it.

What's the problem exactly? Is this some kind of Paris Syndrome, but for Ameriboo coffee hipsters trying to figure out how to be as authentic as possible?

Take it from a real coffee drinker: sometimes it's ok to drink crap. What's not ok is to pretend it's anything other than crap, and what's really not ok is to buy a bunch of "gear" and hope that it magically turns to something other than crap.

I know this is really hard for you to get, because crap is all you have over there, but if you can wrap your mind around this, you might actually be able to understand most of what's been posted in this thread.

This thread sucks

Stop arguing retards

>>8028607
>You're the one who has been furiously defending Starbucks this whole time, I'd think you'd be pleased that a real American occasionally deigns to drink it.
>Attacking instant = defending Starbucks.
You really not good at this reading comprehension thing are you?

>What's the problem exactly? Is this some kind of Paris Syndrome, but for Ameriboo coffee hipsters trying to figure out how to be as authentic as possible?
What makes you think ANYONE in the world, perceives coffee as an American thing? America's contributions to the coffee world are Mr. Coffee, McCafe and Starbucks, you can't even call them contributions. You actually managed to make the coffee world worse.

>Take it from a real coffee drinker:
topkek
>sometimes it's ok to drink crap.
It's not.
>What's not ok is to pretend it's anything other than crap, and what's really not ok is to buy a bunch of "gear" and hope that it magically turns to something other than crap.
Never said that, cool strawman.

>I know this is really hard for you to get, because crap is all you have over there, but if you can wrap your mind around this, you might actually be able to understand most of what's been posted in this thread.
I got you loud and clear mate: You force yourself to drink milky, sugary, Nescafe to feel like you're getting the proper South Indian experience and then lecture people over the internet about it. It's called Columbus Syndrome.

>>8028874
Fine. Case is closed anyway, he already confessed everything there was to confess.

So let's see if we can bring this thread back. Here's a topic I've been wondering about: Is it better to do cold brew with a lighter roast, or a darker roast? I was thinking you could skip a lot of light roast's acidity, but since acidity contributes to the fruitiness, would you be missing out on flavor? Would it be better to do it with a naturally less acidic dark roast?

I intend to fuck around with this with a few types of beans, but until then, what does /ck/ think?

>>8029053
I've used both but in my experience, the brew time had a bigger effect than the roast-type. The problem is that it takes so long to brew and the batches are pretty big so it's hard to experiment.

>>8029081
That makes sense too. I kinda had myself resigned to drinking iced coffee for several days and hoping filtering it and letting it sit in a thermos didn't affect the taste too much.

How long do you prefer the brew time to be? I haven't experimented with that at all yet.

>>8029091
I won't just give you the brew time, because without all the rest of the info it's kinda useless.

I use:
-100gr of really coarse ground coffee for 1L of water (my grinds are usually about 2/3s the size of a black peppercorn)
-let it sit in a mason jar for 24 hours (shake it around occasionally
-sift through a metal sieve and then pour through a V60 or Melitta filter

The results are actually really good. I also found that putting the grinds through a sieve before brewing helps get rid of (a lot of) "dust", basically coffee that's been ground too fine for cold brew use and which would have formed a layer of silt in my jar. It made it a little less bitter, my guess being that the finer the grinder the easier it is to over-extract perhaps? But I don't even know if that's possible with a cold brew.

>>8029173
That's even better, thank you! That'll be the place I start off from, that sounds like a great recipe.

>>8029227
You're welcome. For what it's worth, the results are much better than what I got from my Hario Mizudashi (nice piece of design but doesn't do a good job sadly) and almost as good as the one made by my local coffee shop in those huge drip-towers. In fact it's so close to the taste of the latter (I bought the beans they use to compare fairly) that it made me wonder to what an extent these drip towers are just a fad.

>>8029250
Also forgot to mention that the recipe is for a medium-roast.

>>8029250
>>8029253
Sometimes it's hard to compete with sheer simplicity. Good to know, though. In that case it really will make for the perfect control value.

>>8028133
>You should try some dissolved in scalded whole milk with some sugar, it's actually quite good, a small miracle of food science.
Coffee should taste of, you know - fucking coffee, not a warm coffee milkshake. If you can't drink it black by itself then it isn't coffee.

>>8029280
Yeah, I was about to buy a Toddy (which is relatively expensive) or an OXO when I figured I had nothing to lose from trying it. The V60 is also proof that simple can be very good. I mean I've tried chemex brews many times and they were great but not great enough to justify the hassle over the V60, which I find to be very close. I also like how cheap the plastic one is (perfect for camping, taking on trips etc) and how durable the metal one is (but kinda expensive).

>>8009516
It's too late, anon. Rejects from /pol/ and /tv/ have flooded every board.

>>8028897
>Never said that, cool strawman.
>Even people who don't know better or couldn't be arsed getting more involved will eventually buy beans from Starbucks or somewhere like that. It's still far better than instant
Your exact words. Sorry m80, but there was never any hope of recovering from this.

>>8029791
What I said:
>Even people who don't know better or couldn't be arsed getting more involved will eventually buy beans from Starbucks or somewhere like that. It's still far better than instant

What you said:
>What's not ok is to pretend it's anything other than crap, and what's really not ok is to buy a bunch of "gear" and hope that it magically turns to something other than crap.

Being far better than instant =/= being magically turned into something other than crap. Things can be better than other things and still be crap. Like a healthy person's shit, which smells better than a sick person's shit, yet they're both still shit. Have we really hit the ceiling of your mental capacity in this thread? I feel like you're having trouble understanding what is being posted.

>>8029570
On this board, liking instant coffee should be more of an affront than being a /pol/tard. Although I can see how there would be an overlap between these two demographics.