/ck/ - Food & Cooking

When their crop tests positive for GMO and they don’t pay Monsanto- they sue the farmers and succeed in doing so! See how they can scare farmers?!
These crops, because of how large the sale is, must be maintained with the use of chemicals. (Chemicals synthesized by Monsanto as well). As stated before, Monsanto’s use of pesticides and fungicides contain chemicals that are very harmful to us and the environment. It’s odd how a chemical can kill all the plants (weeds) around the crop but not the actual crop itself. When it rains on these crops, its causes a toxic runoff that drains into bodies of water and pollutes them! Hence why it’s only recommended to eat fish once a week, as their mercury levels are so high (and for some reason we take that as fact and we’re all okay with it!)
The only financially reasonable way we can help is to spread the word and raise awareness of this company and what’s its doing to us and our planet. We all have power and we need your help! As a company that only cares about revenue, when people become aware, their sales will go down! When more people find out, Monsanto will only have two choices: either change their ways or go out of business.
Thanks everyone for your time reading this and perhaps together we can discuss environmentally sustainable agriculture such as polyculture (see google lol)! I appreciate everyone’s feedback, negative or positive. A quick reminder that not everyone will agree (even some farmers), so remember to be patient and respectful of everyone’s opinion… as change does not happen overnight!

whats this gotta do with cooking

this is food

>>7428626
this is nonsense is what it is go back to /x/ where conspiracy theories like this belong

>>7428618
>Monsanto is responsible for the deaths of Indian peasants

Is there any way we can support their work besides buying GMO products where possible? Seems like they're making a valuable contribution to help solve the overpopulation crisis t b h

Sup, Laura from Reddit. I'd like to inform you that 4chan™ and the /ck/© brand are owned by Hiroshima Nagasaki™ an extension of Monsanto™

Any further assault and unlawful agression towards our fine brand will be severely punished and you will be forced to work at a 3rd world cornfield.

>>7428618
>They created DDT

Jake "The Snake" Roberts invented the ddt you dumb fuck

>>7428618
monsanto is bad, that's common knowledge

but there is nothing wrong with GM technology, it's letting us grow crops in a greater range of climates, increasing yield and opening up new avenues to adding nutrition to people's diets

they are wearing suits btw because
A. it's a stock photo, not a real farm
B. because pesticide spraying just took place
C. to stop their crops being contaminated
D. to stop their crop becoming a weed in someone elses fields

>>7428664
GM technology is highly experimental. Comparing it to classic breeding is like comparing metallurgy to nanotechnology. America and India has the honor of being the guinea pig for this new tech.

>>7428664
people afraid of GM technology are comfortable with their lives and feel like there's no reason to improve the lives of other people, or they're afraid of science in general but are okay with buying cheap electronics made by suicidal asian sweatshop workers

>>7428636
Underrated post

10/10

>>7428674
There is nothing inherently scary about gm tech. But it's still in its nascent stage and is being propogated by the worst company with a track record of not caring about the human cost of anything. Imagine if nuclear tech was pioneered by Exxon. But worse.

Business is business. Don't mix Monsanto's horrible corporate ethics with the efficiency and viability of genetically modified foods.

6/10 bait Laura, maybe it'll be successful at /pol/

>>7428618
>>7428619
Immunologist/biologist who posts in these threads when I get the chance. Just wanted to say that,

1) Monsanto is a shit company. You're right. They do a lot of shady shit.
2) You're wrong about GMOs. They are one of the greatest forces for good in the world today.
3) Labeling all GMOs as harmful is idiotic, as each GMO has one or several modified genes which likely have little or (more likely) no interaction with human proteins. Each one should be investigated separately. It's like saying that every single Rb gene is cancerous even though only a few rare polymorphisms cause cancer. In other words, generalization is bad.

tl;dr Monsanto a shit. Stop spreading lies about GMOs.

pic related: new GMO pizza ferns.

>>7428689
Ok science has gone too far lets shut it down.

>>7428690

no pineapples on them though

science needs to go further

without GMOs the majority of us wouldn't be able to eat due to lack of yield. even if we don't directly eat a lot of vegetables, the animals we eat do.

also whenever people say "chemicals" and infer they are bad, I most often switch off because they have no idea what they're talking about typically.

also, you need to substantiate the implication that "the chemicals" are causing mercury increases in natural bodies of water.

as an English person I've never heard that you shouldn't eat fish more than twice a week, the only claim that rests with is with certain tuna, and even that is if you eat it consistently over a long period of time.

>>7428805
>without GMOs the majority of us wouldn't be able to eat due to lack of yield
No, you're confusing "GMO" with "modern agriculture in general". Stop believing everything that shills tell you.
>also whenever people say "chemicals" and infer they are bad
You mean insinuate. Infer means something else. Please stop trying to sound scientific.
>the only claim that rests with is with certain tuna,
Wrong. You can stop posting now.

>>7428805
>I most often switch off because they have no idea what they're talking about typically.

Why? Are you too autistic to realize that when people say "chemicals" with respect to food they are referring to things like artificial flavors, preservatives, and so on? Do you not realize that writing the word "chemicals" is a lot simpler than describing all of the above in more detail?

>>7428817
This is 0.9999 pure autism

>>7428618
>Why are they wearing protective clothing.

Because that shit is being sprayed with pesticides and herbicides.

>>7428618
DDT? your facts are flawed. DDT was first synthed by two Austrians and Geigy (Switzerland) found out that it works as a great insecticide. So all in all it is in the history of Syngenta.

Please check next time, obviously you may have a point in generall that I agree with (Monsanto) but maning errors like you did with DDT ruins your credibility.

>>7428817
>you're wrong because I say so
>any evidence you might provide is shit because it's clearly from the GMO shills
>you mean insinuate
no, I mean infer. it's not my fault if you don't know the definition or usage of it, if it makes you feel uncomfortable for using "scientific" words you're only proving my point.
>wrong
feel free to prove that claim /r/conspiracy

>>7428827
no, I'm not autistic, but if you're trying to prove that something is dangerous by calling them chemicals you come off as incredibly dumb. if you named the chemicals that would enable people to do their own research and come to their own conclusions instead of being spoon fed tumblr level conspiracy.

>>7428636

Sup /WWE/

Do you guys realize that without GMO, 2/3rds of the worlds population wouldn't be able to have food? Even if, IF GMO MIGHT give you cancer, I'll take a small chance of cancer any day of the week than a guaranteed death of starvation

>>7428907
why two thirds? no (zero) gmo here and we are very happy this way. stop forcing your shit on us over here.

Thx everyone for your feedback - negative or positive I take very thing into consideration :)
Remember I only mentioned GMO for context . I'm more focused on environmental factors and the hardships of farmers- especially in the 3rd world

>>7428937
Ever had a banana?
GMO
Corn?
GMO
Strawberry?
Bet yo ass
Apple?
Fuckin' A
Rice? Wheat? Potatoes?
Be happy we have GMO, or else we wouldn't be able to eat all of that world wide.

Norman Borlaug is also a god

>>7428943
maybe where you are you poor faggot. zero here and importing it is banned.

>>7428946
So you've never had any of those I mentioned? You've never had a banana?

>>7428946
where do you live that has a climate suitable for bananas, corn, strawberries, apples, rice, wheat, and potatoes all in the same local area?

>>7428951
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_genetically_modified_organisms_in_Switzerland

>>7428953
With the magic of GMO, anything is possible!

I certainly hope people like OP haven't enjoyed potatoes served in most eateries over the last ~50 years. Most potatoes that you eat are not a naturally occurring strain of spud.

>>7428954
wow. so you can't have any fruits and vegetables in switzerland? what do you eat?

>>7428954
and guess what: if it goes up for a vote again we'll ban that shit again.

>>7428961
you are obviously another degenerate that we snigger about over here. and no, 4th july is not a day off here.

>>7428941
for context. right.

I'm opposed to forcing farmers sterile seeds, but GMOs are overall good for us.

>>7428970
you didn't answer my question. since the ban, have you ever eaten a banana that didn't look like this?

>>7428971
no fucking way. we don't want it and all it does is support the industry making you that obese you are.

>>7428970
regulation =! ban
also they're right, you don't have have the climate to produce all those things.

>>7428977
>no fucking way. we don't want it and all it does is support the industry making you that obese you are.
>GMOs magically give you the uncontrollable physical urge to eat at a calorie surplus

holy shit! well, you convinced me.

>>7428976
no, but cavendish was invented well before some crazies started meddling with nature. mendel is fine with me btw.

>>7428977
>eating GMOs makes you obese
I'm sorry but it sounds like Swiss schools are lacking.

either that or you're just a retarded, uneducated outlier.

>>7428986
>crazies started meddling with nature
>mendel is fine with me btw
so you've just stated you don't know what GMO is. do you think scientist are out there in the fields injecting tomatoes with syringes or something? is that the image in your head when you think "GMO"?

>>7428618
bump for truth

>>7428977
Swizz education ladies and gentlemen

>people shit on Monsanta because "hurr big corpurashun must be ebil da movies told me so!"

>>7428989
no but I happen to work in the biotec industry where we modify bacteria and monkey cells to produce the proteins for healing your illnesses. so I do know how gmo works - as I stated - mendel is fine with me but no (zero) non-species genes in another organism.

>>7428998
It's funny how these people seem to have a bigger problem with capitalism than GMO. Most large companies in America work almost exactly like how Monsanto works

>>7429000
>I totally work with biology guize I swear

>>7428674
we literally don't need to though. the world produces enough to to feed the world twice over. we should be concerned about all the food that is wasted

>>7429000
>I work in the biotec industry
as a janitor?

>>7429007
>the world produces enough to to feed the world twice
And guess what that food is made of

nooo, it couldn't possibly be GMO

>>7429007
>the world produces enough to to feed the world twice over.
...why do you think that is?

>>7428689
organic is still better vs gmo, even in terms of overall crop yield over the past two decades

>>7428907
where did those 2/3 come from? deliver a source.

>>7429015
>even in terms of overall crop yield
It isn't nice to lie, anon

>>7428827
this

>>7429007
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
how fucking retarded are you?

we are set to run out of food as our birthrates are so high and we're not advancing our yields fast enough to meet future demands.

>>7428840
>even reffering to reddit

killl yourself

>>7428907
not true, we got double the food we need

>>7429015
t. organic warrior moonbeam sunshine, of the tribe tumblr

please prove your claims.

>>7429017
The 2/3rds most likely came from their mothers anon

>>7429025
>kill yourself
just how angry are you right now that no one is buying your bullshit?

>double the food we need
source: my ass

>>7429027
the stupidity is endless

>>7429030
>where did the two thirds of the worlds population come from?
Their mothers. I mean, this isn't exactly rocket science

>>7429019

you're right, so stop then


http://www.ewg.org/agmag/2015/03/claims-gmo-yield-increases-don-t-hold

>>7429031
>talking about food, agriculture and horticulture
>no one mentioned world population
>thinks the other poster is stupid

stop.jpg

>>7429022
source or stfu

>>7429039
>crop that isn't designed for higher yield doesn't give higher yield
nooooo, really?

>>7429026
>>7429030
see >>7429039


www.huffingtonpost.com%2Feric-holt-gimenez%2Fworld-hunger_b_1463429.html&usg=AFQjCNGKBZUVo6svepNc1rsVAiOcekcj4w

http://naturalsociety.com/new-study-ge-crops-dont-increase-crop-yields/

now suck a fucking cock you monsanto bitch boys

inb4 ablooblooo

>>7429055
>huffpo
>naturalsociety
Mind finding some actual scientific data?

>>7429026
it's funny how people who don't wanna eat shit are tumblr hippies hurr durr

http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/our-failing-food-system/genetic-engineering/failure-to-yield.html#.VtWzD5wrKUk

>>7429039
>>7429055
>hardcore cherrypicking=conclusive evidence
Nice meme you got there

>>7429059
let's see yours since you just like to bitch and not post anything

>>7429068
A claim without evidence can be refuted without evidence. Fetch us something actually scientific and then we can talk. Burden of proof lies with you

>>7429067
>can't post a response
>claims its a meme

LMAO

>>7429070
there are already like links posted

>>7429070
>ignores all the links posted in the thread

wew lad

>>7429075
>>7429080
I can post a link of someone saying "eating shit is delicious"

Doesn't make it a scientific fact

>>7429059
this

also, the one idiot who thinks GMOs are bad linked an article that itself said that our food production is too low to meet future needs.

>>7429055
>>7429064


http://m.livescience.com/33311-food-prices-global-hunger-skyrocket-2030-oxfam-warns.html
http://www.beep.ac.uk/content/391.0.html
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/14/un-global-food-crisis-warning

>>7429075
>>7429080
>all the links posted in the thread
Why bother refuting what is clearly the ramblings of some treehugging retard?

>>7429088
GMO's are bad for the environment, none of your posts refute that

>>7429094
>GMO's are bad for the environment
Proof, nigger. Do you have it.

>>7429093
nice strawman

>>7429096
Not him, but I remembeer reading a paper about how golden rice tokk nutrients from the soil that would've otherwise gotten to fish in a nearby lake
The fish population dropped with like, a few %, but nothing damaging to the overall state of the area. GMO does affect the surrounding areas a bit, but nothing fatal to anyones survival

>>7429075
links from hippie organisations that cite the same single study to back their claims.

DECADES of GMO development and studies refute them.

http://www.ask-force.org/web/BioEconomy/Qaim-Zilberman-Yield-Effects-2003.pdf
http://libcatalog.cimmyt.org/download/reprints/96422.pdf
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.resource.050708.144203?sa=U&ei=Ptm-VK74LdSmyATHloHoDw&ved=0CJwBEBYwFQ&usg=AFQjCNEesQaZw6w5cpYDmB028GHZC40q3g&

reputable studies

>>7429096
>soil nutrient depletion
>chemicals seeping into water run-off

>>7429094
so first the claim was that there is no impending food crisis despite the UN disagreeing with you.

second it was that GMOs don't increase yield and that organic has higher yields (which you provided no evidence for BTW). however both are true to some extent with the latter being less common in high population countries like India as proven by the studies I provided

now it's GMOs are bad for the environment, again with nothing but hot air to substantiate yourself.

>>7429129
>>soil nutrient depletion
that happens with literally every plant. that's why rotation farming was developed.
>>chemicals seeping into water run-off
better stop everyone from using pesticides too

are you actually stupid or trolling?

>>7429119
>muh muh my studies are the legit ones guise

>>7429133
they shouldn't be using pesticides

>>7428840
Swordfish
Literally everything else in your post is factually wrong, and I'm not even going to waste time on your ignorance
Just post "but science" and tell yourself that the word is a magical talisman that obviates the need for using your head

>>7429133
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/gmo-farming-poisoning-worlds-drinking-water

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GM_Crops_and_Water_a_Recipe_for_Disaster.php

http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/03/farmers-address-u-s-data-gap-gm-crop-contamination/

>>7429129
>I say it happens so that's all the proof you need

sit the fuck down you monumental mong.

>>7429134
yes, they're not blogs from hippie websites like what you posted earlier.
it's no one's fault you are unable to operate Google scholar, you dullard.

http://www.pgeconomics.co.uk/page/36/-gm-crop-use-continues-to-benefit-the-environment-and-farmers
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jun/13/gm-crops-environment-study
https://www.americanscientist.org/science/pub/gm-crops-good-for-environment-study-finds
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-11-18/how-gmo-crops-can-be-good-for-the-environment

I'm willing to believe GMOs may sometimes have a negative effect on the environment, but they clearly also have positive effects too.

>>7429133
"Glyphosate, the active ingredient of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide, is one of the most commonly used herbicides in the world, owing to the widespread planting of glyphosate-tolerant (GT) crops. It has been associated with a host of human and livestock health issues including birth defects, reproductive problems, carcinogenicity, endocrine disruption, neurotoxicity and internal organ toxicity, as well as lethality to frogs and harm to soil and aquatic ecosystems (see [5] Why Glyphosate Should be Banned, SiS 56). With all this in mind, the contamination of water supplies with glyphosate, a highly water soluble herbicide, has wide-ranging implications."

Fuck it, I'll post in this thread, even if it does just look like bait.

GMOs are fine and are why we're able to feed so many people. They can be harmful if they're invasive and get into the wild.
Monsanto has become a shitty company.
The biggest problem we have today is that government subsidies are imbalanced and mostly go to corn. This corn is then used to feed cows, which can't even digest corn, so they mix bacteria in with it to digest the corn for the cow.

>>7429138
again, because you said so?

you realise that organic crops also use pesticides right?
https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

>>7429144
>literally factually wrong
are you a psychologist? because I don't think you can "literally factually" diagnose someone with autism through a post on fucking 4chan.
nor was the use of infer wrong, and they did in fact fail to provide any evidence for their claims. why are all you organic shills fucking retarded?

>>7429159
>The biggest problem we have today is that government subsidies are imbalanced and mostly go to corn.
Which has been a complete failure regarding ethanol

>>7429156

So compare that with the alternative herbicides that farmers would use in place of glyphosate.

>>7429138
>they shouldn't be using pesticides

>>7429156
>it has been associated
by whom on what grounds?

>>7429176
how about read the fucking article

>>7429147
and I can link you three that says they do good.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jun/13/gm-crops-environment-study
http://www.pgeconomics.co.uk/page/36/-gm-crop-use-continues-to-benefit-the-environment-and-farmers
http://www.isaaa.org/resources/publications/pocketk/4/
https://www.americanscientist.org/science/pub/gm-crops-good-for-environment-study-finds
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-11-18/how-gmo-crops-can-be-good-for-the-environment

>>7429185
how about linking the fucking article instead of posting an excerpt and expecting people to magically know what crevice of your ass it fell from?

Jesus Christ you are annoyingly airheaded.

>muh monsanto
>muh pesticides
>muh gmos
you fags are worse than my mother

>>7429194
it's just another thing middle-upper class do in their free time to feel important about themselves instead of actually contributing anything of value.

it's the pass time of the economically fortunate and the intellectually bankrupt, as is complaining about being fart raped and Twitter campaigning to ban the word bossy.

they like to feel self important and feel immense satisfaction when they feel they're healing the world when paying premium for their GMO free, organic, fair trade, green supreme plastic bottled smart water.

>>7429017
still no source for this claim. lots of blabla..

>>7429186
That's 5 articles m8 and the third one is a link to a gay porn site

>>7429190
it's literally linked in the post above you fucking mongoloid

>>7429147

>>7428986
>posts banana
>says it was gmo
>no source

more blabla.

>>7429217
I linked 3 + 2 more, who cares?

also
>muh I hate rich white people maymay
>>>/r/srs

>>7429221
1) you realise you could've not wasted both our times by just linking it when I first asked, right?
2) you're apparently too autistic and/or new to realise I can't telepathically know who posted what, right?
3) I'm totally flattered you're taking my insults used against you against me now.
4) since you've wasted 10 minutes of my life with your faggotry, you can tell me which of the three articles your excerpt is from or quit being a whiny bitch.

>>7429238
first one

>>7429225
>I linked 3 + 2 more, who cares
You said you linked 3 but you linked 5. If we can't trust you with basic mathematical accuracy why should we trust your views on science?

Ooooh! People please stop telling people theyre retarded or to kill themselves ect! This isn't what this is about! Haven't any of u written essays?! U can argue an issue without swearing (believe it or not). Should I source that? <3

>>7429240
I was actually going to criticise that blog post to begin with but decided it was a waste of my time.

changed my mind because why the fuck not.

>greenmedinfo
really?
>literally a blog post
>begins blog post with water that looks like any seaside scene in the UK
oh how terrifying
>we found pesticide in 40% of 140 samples
and?
>this proves it doesn't break down quickly
not unless you prove how long it's been there for and define what quick is in terms of pesticidal half life.
>pesticides are used to kill things so if some get into aquifers it's obviously bad mmmkay
nice citations. it's supposed to kill CERTAIN living things. are you going to campaign against topical bug repellants and head lice treatments?
>another study finds contaminated water this is highly concerning
could you at least properly explain why that is so?
>the pesticide has been linked to killing cultures
only source for that is THEIR OWN FUCKING BLOG.

I've had enough of this bullshit.

>>7429215
>>7429221
damn this is interesting. pro gmo doesn't have the numbers and acts like trump. the organic veggie fraction has huffpost etc. at least someone has a number and "facts".

>>7429244
don't know about anyone else but getting hung up on something as trivial as that instead of refuting the content of the articles and studies themselves is pathetic and worthy of the Top Autist of the Day Crown.

>>7429247
I have no idea who you are or where you came from but asking people on 4chan to not insult each other is like asking a vegan to eat a turducken

>>7429274
"acts like trump", "doesn't have a number"

the fuck are you on about?

>>7429282
2/3 of the population could not be fed without gmo

>>7429287
yep I understand that.
but what does that have to do with Donald trump, Huffington post or veggie fractions?

>>7429010
>starts insulting
>can't sort peas

>>7429287
>few thousand years ago
>around 100k people on earth
>agriculture is invented
>booms into a couple million
>population steadily increase
>modern science together with GMO is invented
>huge population boom, we're up to several billion now
Remove GMO, billions die
Remove agriculture, everyone else dies until we have a few 100k left. The earth can't naturally support us all, and still we have a food shortage

>>7429298
whatthefuckamireading.exe

>>7429300
no numbers supporting your claim. come on..

>>7429287
>still no source

WEW LAD

>>7429305
>increase in food
>increase in population
>decrease in food = decrease in population
How dumb are you?

>>7428712
>pineapples
>on pizza
>of all things
why

>>7429300
by the way - so fucking what. we have the guns, we'll protect our non-gmo-crops. let them starve. would be better for the enviroment than everyone adopting a western diet based on a lot of gmo-fed animals.

>>7429313
still no numbers. as a janitor in the biotec industry you start to ask these things.

>>7429305
if you weren't an illiterate nitwit you'd have seen the articles I posted earlier.

https://www.worldfoodprize.org/en/dr_norman_e_borlaug/about_norman_borlaug/
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1970/borlaug-bio.html

he has indirectly saved more lives than anyone on the entire planet by bringing high yield GMOs to the forefront of the food industry that has enabled us to feed hundreds of millions.

>>7429328
It's estimated that Norman alone has saved over 1 billion lives

>>7429300
why is gmo = agriculture for you? I don't get it. are you a redneck that thinks crossing plants is gmo? that natural selection and breeding prefered traits is gmo? that's mendel. not rocket science - just time, patience and some stats. like the Syngenta strains.

>>7429319
first of all, why do you think anyone wants to take your organic, pesticide ridden crops from you?
second of all, I'm not at all surprised you'd be OK with the majority of the world dying.

>>7429322
glad you're being honest with us but I'm beginning to think you're not even a janitor, rather the biweekly window cleaner.

>>7429331
fine - so what? why not let them starve. natural selection. and I still haven't received numbers..

>>7429336
right. pesticides. explain round-up ready strains.

>>7429319
>>7429338
>I would rather see billions of people die than have GMO
The edge is real, ouch

>>7429336
the gmo shit polinates as well - aha!

>>7429348
"not so bad mate, they fucked up our nice organic seeds we collected this harvest for next season - who cares.."

>>7429333
Is the reason for your idiotic opinions based on your lack of reading comprehension?

>>7429344
what exactly are you trying to establish?
>>7429348
I don't know if you know this but it's typically customary to fully conceptualise what you're trying to say before writing it down and hastily pressing submit.

>>7429351
no, you obviously understand less of gmo / there are different meanings. mendel is not gmo.

>>7429357
Read the post 10 times again and then read your reply

You're a fucking moron

>>7429354
no answer to that issue. contaminating classic phenotypes acustomed to the local habitat with genes from another species.

>>7429360
if you had said that in the fucking beginning then I would've answered. instead you say cryptic, half baked thoughts in broken English and expect people to be able to understand what you're trying to say.

it's my understanding now that by Mendel you mean selective breeding, and that you are most likely Czech.

no one is talking about selectively bred crops, so why are you talking about them? and why does your learning about your one cultural export in school make you believe you are more well versed in GMOs when you yourself don't classify Mendel's methods as being GMO?

secondly, please provide evidence of GMOs contaminating native flora on a large scale.

>>7429369
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Nolan3/publication/222428682_Genetically_modified_crops_and_agricultural_landscapes_Spatial_patterns_of_contamination/links/02e7e528cfe73c7932000000.pdf

common sense.

you are implying that gmo saved a large population. who cares? we don't need it. waste less, less meat and sensible breeding is sufficient.

>>7429369
whats your profession? all I see is the janitor arguing with the plumber.

>>7429384
and by the way - I am happy to pay a premium proce for good non-gmo food and even more if it's organic. I think the idea of taxing farmers that use gmo and the pesticides related to many of the strains should be taxed. for their gmo produce, for the seeds, for the pesticides and a bounty also for large monocultures that harm bees and generall wildlife.

>>7429384
plants can grow out of bounds, shocker. it's more of an issue with people who think even the sight of a GM crop will give them literally Hitler cancer that are the problem, not the GMOs.

it even says so in your study. it's literally a political issue than a health hazard.

also I didn't "imply" anything. I explicitly said he did save hundreds of millions of life and that other anon said it was closer to a billion. that can be substantiated by those who award Nobel prizes and all the other bodies, societies and people who have worked with and awarded Norman Borlaug for his contributions to our planet.

no one gives a shit whether you personally believe people should've died of hunger from no access to organic food, either.

>>7429389
why do you care what my profession is? you/he said he was "in the biotec" industry and despite that is seemingly clueless when it comes to discussing GMOs, which is why I called him a janitor.

otherwise I don't give a fuck what anyone does as long as they're able to argue their point whilst providing evidence to substantiate it.

>>7429408
Don't even bother dude, people like him are so hardcore into the "Science is wrong! I am right!" that he will never, ever listen. no matter how much evidence you throw into his face, even if ONE person supports his belief, he'll take it as a fact, regardless if thousands and thousands of scientists say he's dead wrong.

It's sad desu

>>7429411
you're right, but I actually learnt from looking into these studies from either side so that's a plus.

especially have no issue with buying GMO food, now.

...

>>7429419
right. amd we'll ban it again.

>>7429422
>but that is not capitalism!

>>7429422
Many countries ban books, freedom of speech, gay marriage etc.
Taking bans as being a moral highground is fucking ridiculous

>>7429428
no, it's the will of the people. you have no idea how democracy works even though the constitutions of the usa and the swiss were very alike in the beginning.

How about we discuss agricultural solutions ? Ways of increasing biodiversity instead on name calling? If u grew many plants together (polyculture), u can reduce the amount of pests without pesticides :) monoculture ( a farm say only growing corn in 500acres), will attract insects that specifically target that crop. So many crops together = less pests. Someone take the reigns from here :)

>>7429437
but there is no machine yet that can seperate corn, beans and whatnot covers the soil

>>7428618
>They created DDT and Agent Orange.
So?

Mitsubishi made the planes that bombed Pearl Harbor. Dyson made the gas chambers used in the Holocaust. Kodak made the bombsights used in the firebombing of Dresden.

>>7429437
Crop density is reduced and the yield has to be harvested by hand in order to correctly separate the different crops. This reduces the amount of food we can grow dramatically

No Dyson did not lol. That was created by another German chemical company that still exists today though .

>>7428943
Selective breeding is different to GMO.

Ahh yes that makes sense. There isn't a machine for that. That would slow production and require hand picking. Thanks!

>>7429466
No worries, you can also reply to a post by pressing the number on the right side of the post

>>7429437
>wants to avoid name calling
>thread is titled Monsanto: the lobbying company that poisons your food

>muh corn

>>7428966
>we
what part of switzerland are you from m8

>>7429470
Haha yay you're awesome! :)

>>7429482
the part with no schools and where everyone is at least ¼ mountain goat

>>7429483
Thanks. Also, word of advice, never reveal your name or personal info here. You'd be surprised what people can do with very little information

>>7429416
What are you even trying to say with this image?
>>7429422
>38 countries ban GMOs based on hyperbolic scare mongering and non science
>They can't all be wrong
>funnyblackman

Also notice how Laura's only contribution to the thread has been the drivel in the OP that's since been refuted and these ebin maymays she probably heard about whilst reading her glossy magazines about trendy up and coming new websites that promote free anonymous discussion.

You passively aggressively mocking those who disagree with you is pathetic.

>>7428618
>protective clothing
Because research
Because pesticides
Because protective clothing is worn for pesticide application for non-GMO foods too

>>7429482
north-west

>>7429482
where are you located?

>le ebil monsanta meem :DDDDDDDDDDDD

>>7428618
This is a troll. Not an anti-Monsanto troll, but an artificial caricature of every negative, annoying side of anti-Monsanto activists, meant to reinforce the annoyance factor of people who really aren't that interested in the whole issue, but are more likely to favor monsanto on the issue simply out of irritation towards airheaded lefty hippie college numbnuts. This post is worked very hard to portray the poster as a caricature of a young, female ecological idealist idiot throwing around intentionally clumsy half-truths, unresearched opinions, condescending, sheltered WASP attitudes (those poor suffering Indian peasants, huh?), sloppy grasp of grammar, intentionally un-4chan-savvy tumblerisms and most of all, immaturity.

Don't eat it as it's served, folks. Monsanto is a real problem. Don't ignore it just because the people who clamor about it the most are portrayed as over-priviledged daddy's girl art student twits. It's a ruse.

>>7429598
Sure it is.

If you're anti Monsanto, contribute to the discussion instead of claiming she doesn't represent you.

I'm not trolling. This is a very serious issue, regardless if others fail to see it or not.

>>7429598
I'm a few months away from my bachelors of science in nursing and it hurts me to see people be Ill due to poor nutrition in first world countries. They barely touch on nutrition in med school and when I ask my profs about it They act like it's not important. They'd rather sell medication. So don't say I don't care!

There's no way there aren't shills working damage control for Monsanto on this board. Nobody impartial cares about defending the reputation of GMOs and Monsanto enough to get that worked up when someone mentions Monsanto.

Every time someone mentions that corporate fucking monster (that wrecks lives and the environment for profit), the Monsanto Internet Defence Force burst onto the scene like clockwork, using every weapon in the internet shill's arsenal. It's cringeworthy and if you work for Monsanto in any capacity then you're a piece of shit and the world would be better off without you.

>>7430044
>There's no way there aren't shills working damage control for Monsanto on this board.
Seriously bro? Your tinfoil hat needs polishing.

>>Monsanto Internet Defence Force burst onto the scene like clockwork

Lol again. Just because people are arguing for GMOs doesn't mean they love Monsanto. I personally think they are evil as fuck. But that being said, I think arguing against Monsanto is stupid. When you have a problem with vermin then the best way to fix the problem is to address the root cause. It's just like having a dirty kitchen: you can stomp roaches (Monsanto) all day long. But until you clean up the mess which attracts them they'll just keep coming back. The real root of the problem here is that the gov't allows patents on genetic modifications. Until that is addressed it's a giant waste of time to rag on Monsanto. Even if they were to magically disappear tomorrow another similar entity would pop up in their place.

>>7430044
Geez who's knows lol. No way of saying no or yes. But I'd like to think that people who disagree are shills rather than idiots. More likely they're just very ignorant though

>>7430059
What do u think we should do? Or who's the higher up that we should discuss? I'm not being sarcastic or anything. I'd love to get to the root of the problem. Saying the government is too generic. I've met with members of parliament in Ottawa who listened to me and there are legislators that's are helping us fight Monsanto right now. They're getting fucked though :(

>>7429989
Hello Laura, do you still remember me? I'm the one who farted evil gas clouds when we were out dancing two years ago.

>>7430083
>What do u think we should do?

Point out to people that Monsanto may well be evil, but that is only a symptom of the real issue, which is allowing genes to be patented. Without that ability Monsanto (and anyone who wants to copy them) dies.

Talking to government representatives is all well and good, but the real key is educating the masses about that fact. You talking to a congressperson is useless. Ten thousand people talking to them is a different story.

>>7430101
Digression at its finest. Please contribute to topic

>>7430115
Yes theyve suggested getting petitions signed and using social media. That's kinda why I'm here. I actually learnt most of this Monsanto stuff in my elective course, Environmental science. So at least my countries education system hasn't failed us :).... Yet lol

>>7430115
It's creepy that they've copyrighted a living thing (plants). Isn't it?!

Uh oh. I meant country's. Grammar nazis have mercy

>>7430131

Oh, another suggestion. While I appreciate your anti-Monsanto stance, you need to make sure that your points are honest. You need to be above board.

I get triggered by bullshit whenever I see it. The OP photo is a fantastic example. Even though I agree with you that Monsanto is evil, that picture and its caption is obviously out-of-context. It makes your cause look bad when you resort to obvious bullshit to promote it. Stick with facts that can be backed up with peer-reviewed research. The moment you start posting propaganda you will lose the support of a lot of people, even those who agree with you.

If you handed me OP photo on the street I'd immediately dismiss you as a nutbag, even though it seems we agree about a lot of things.

>>7430144

Country's what, Laura? Don't tell me you can't tell the difference between possessive and plural.

>>7428689

>>7428668
>highly experimental

rubbish, at this point they are just expanding what they can do with what they already know, and double checking everything in the field

GM crops have been widely used for the last 10 years in some areas of agriculture

>>7429317
nigga have your ever tried? They're the only thing that salvages that trash style pizza.

>>7430178
I typed Monsanto in google images and found it . I didn't create it

>>7430178
Thanks for the suggestion ! :)

Production of seeds that don't yield more seeds is a crime beyond all crimes, should be punishable by death-penalty to everyone currently producing / selling

>>7428618
I love these threads, I always learn something. Monsanto sucks and the farmers plight should be more publicized. But while I myself don't eat gmo food whenever possible, organically farmed produce has just as many pitfalls.

Almost the entirety of genetic understanding still eludes us. I'm not exactly comfortable with cross-species gene manipulation until we know more about it. However, the practices of Monsanto aside and taking into account the doctrine of double effect, gmo foods have the potential to do more good than harm at them moment.

>>7430351
I think your response is reasonable, but my reservations go a bit beyond your own, so I must disagree with your conclusion.

is an "Ice 9" scenario with Monstanto 'seedless' crops possible?

Even if GMOs could solve world hunger, it's beyond callow to think that is how they would be employed, given what sorts of entities would be in charge of them.

>>7430409

>Billions should starve to death because unscientific GMO hysteria gives me bad fee fees.

Here we go again with this shitty GMO non-sense. Lets keep pretending that we all know what's its like to farm. GMO isn't just a Monsanto concept. Monsanto themselves are a retarded company because they're ethically stupid, but that doesn't mean GMOs are evil because of that company. A lot of smaller farms around here use GMOs because it makes better yields, resists disease, gets rid of weeds, etc. But yes, lets all continue this retarded anti-GMO trend because of some autistic food documentary that uses propaganda more than real scientific facts.

>>7430424
>I'm actually illiterate

m8, learn to read
seriously

GMO companies are evil.

The practice of genetically modifying food isn't.

>>7429989
>it hurts me to see people be Ill due to poor nutrition in first world countries
poor nutrition in first world countries isn't due to GMO foods. there are a lot of contributing factors, like food deserts, junk food high in calories and sugars being cheaper than fresh produce and good cuts of meat, and just plain no one knowing how to eat properly because serving sizes in restaurants and on tv commercials are fuckhuge. but gmo is not a contributing factor to poor nutrition. a carrot doesn't lose its vitamin content because there's a new protein in its DNA.

>>7430430

>"even if GMOs could solve world hunger"
This statement implies doubt on part of the writer that GMOs have any role in lowering world hunger. Then you write
>"it's beyond callow to think that is how they would be employed, given what sorts of entities would be in charge of them."
Even though Monsanto is your boogieman, they don't own the concept of GMO, and we've been modifying our crops to suit our civilizations for thousands of years. Even if /one/ person owned the patents on all 'GMOs', they do not own the farms that grow those crops.

You betray a vast ignorance when you don't understand that the human population growth curve is rising exponentially, and we are losing available agricultural land suitable to feeding those people. We are rapidly going to reach an impasse where we either greatly increase our crop yields, or we start executing half the population.

Your stupid ignorance is not only destructive just on the bases of how unimformed you are, you play your hands in the same circle of people who legitimately think eating GMOs will give people three eyes. That's how retarded this debate has become.

Why is it that Monsanto are conflated with ALL GMO's ?

Doesn't any other corporation make GMO's?

>>7430474
What are you even talking about? Right, I don't konw whether or not they could solve world hunger. What I know is that GMO patents are in the hands of entities that have no interest in solving world hunger, and to think otherwise is beyond naive.

What difference would it make that monsanto doesn't own the farms? They don't own the farms now, but the food produced thereon doesn't go to feed the hungry. Why would that change with GMOs?

I'm not sure what's confusing about that

My thread isn't really about GMO being good or bad. I mention GMO for context. It's about the environmental and health concequences of the chemical (-cides) use in and on food. Also focussing on the hardships of farmers- especially in the 3rd world. However, it's still relevant to this page because it revolves around agriculture.

>>7430474
And beyond that, I'm bot sure how any of what I said, and then your after the fact repetition of it, has anything to do with
>Billions should starve to death because unscientific GMO hysteria gives me bad fee fees.

I mean, a slightly more literate person would see those things as being almost totally unrelated, and certainly you wouldn't get the impression of one from the other.

>>7430498
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Educated or not, smart or dumb, agree or disagree. I know it can be frustrating but plz be fair and kind on this thread.

>>7430490

Uh, in what way doesn't it. Do you know how much food gets sent to Africa? many countries in Africa, and I'm saying countries as in the entire country depends 90% on foreign agricultural to feed it's people. That means if those countries (Which includes the US as one of the largest crop producing countries in the world) could not supply those crops to these countries they would die off. Again, you're being ignorant, you do not understand the scope of foreign aid and so you assume it somehow doesn't exist. That and if GMOs didn't exist do you fathom the cost of gas? Most gas today is cut with corn ethanol. Eat anything sweet lately? 90% that was made with HFCS.

GMOs lower the price on things like food, gas etc. the price for volume of crop goes down, the more foreign aide buys, the more countries we feed, the deathtoll as a result of world hunger slowly goes down.

Monsanto owns patents in the same way Apple owns patents, that does not keep other companies from developing GMO seeds which are then sold to farmers. What is your alternative for solving the food crisis problem that doesn't involve GMOs or mass executions? And who would you turn to to select who should/shouldn't be genocided in the event we need to start culling our world population?

>>7430514
My solution would be for more people to go vegan.

Or I guess we could grow more crops to feed to more cattle to feed the more rapidly industrializing nations. Maybe one day, the Chinese can be as unhealthy as we are. Thanks, GMOs

>>7430511
lol, all I want is, before someone green texts with a faggot anime character while being sarcastic, that they learn how to read. That really doesn't seem like too much. We get the reactions that we earn, often.

But you're alright.

>>7430533

Maybe if you didn't get outrageously butthurt the moment someone posts a reaction image, people wouldn't do it so often.

The hilarious thing about this point is that we were talking about growing crops and you suddenly asspulled cows and veganism out of fucking nowhere. Like somehow Africa is full of McDonalds and if only those idiots went vegan they wouldn't starve. Your solution is the same thing as every other person with really strong FEELINGS, but when it comes to the grim reality of what we as a world have to do to avert catastrophic death on a level beyond even WWII, you suddenly get cold feet.

You're value in this debate is pretty much 0% because it's apparent from your foo-foo responses that you have no alternative and no substantive reasons against GMOS beyond 'it makes me feel bad'.

>>7430560
>out of nowhere
You really are a fucking moron, do you know that? Like, you legit think that crop growth and cattle and meat eating habits have nothign to do with one another?

Holy shit, there has never been anyone as stupid as you. I mean that in total seriousness.

And I didn't get butthurt that you posted a reaction image. I only suggested that, if you are gonna do that, you might want to up your reading comprehension skill a bit.

I didnt yet realize that you were actual retarded

A majority of crops go to feeding cattle and raising livestock for slaughter. I think the point is, that if we are all vegan, and it would be more crop readily available for human consumption

Rather than the consumption of livestock. Im not vegan or anything, just trying to make that persons point more clear to everyone

>>7430586
This
Also, we would greatly reduce the incentive for 3rd world farmers to ship their crops elsewhere (to meat-eating countries for cattle feed). They could use their land to grow crops to feed their people.

>>7430595
That makes sense. Considering how much debt a country like, say Africa is in. From an economical standpoint it makes more sense for them to sell their crop to other countries rather than use it to feed their own people. Which is not fair of course

>>7430573

This must be the trick to geting a Vegan ragingly butthurt. Everything comes down to bulletpoint lists of arguments. Antivax! GMOs! Cattle grazing! When the argument track skips, the argument starts all over again and you have to just repeat everything you've learned in some crazy affluent health cult.

The reality is you care so so much about starving Africans up until it comes to making a decision, how do we feed them today. How do we solve this problem now, and if not, how do we decide who to exterminate? All of your solutions amount to preaching to the choir on college campuses on the danger of eating a McRib, and actually none of your expended activism goes towards the people starving and dying as we speak.

Reality doesn't operate on fantasy, and while you're crying in you quinoa salad, actual fucking scientists are trying to save billions of lives in the next 10 years from an inevitable human population bubble. Your position is stupid, worse yet it is destructive ignorance paralyzed by social-signally activism with no actual action, your use to society is exactly 0.

>>7430603
Africa isn't a country, but pretty much

But the more important point, I think, is that there is literally no reason to eat meat in 2016, and it's just a waste of resources, and it damages the environment.

>>7430607
What are you even talking about at this point?

You are just rambling, scrambling to come up with anything that isn't idiotic, but you don't have the tools necessary for that.

Again, the notion that GMO crops would go to feed the hungry is nonsense. It's not the case that we don't have enough RIGHT NOW. We do. The priority isn't on the poor. Why would GMOs change that? All it would do is allow for more meat production for the burgeoning Chinese appetite (which of course would ultimately be bad for them, as per our example.)

>>7430603
>country like, say Africa
women!

>>7428618
There is nothing special about being 'natural' you conspiracy theorist retard.

Vaccinate your fucking children.

>>7430610
Of course I understand it's a continent lol . My mistake, thx

>>7430618

>How would lower costs of food crops allow the US to send more food to Africa which is the primary recipient of foreign aid.

>>7430636
Because, AS THEY DO NOW, they would just use that extra crop to feed more animals to feed growing economies, not the poor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

>>7430628
I'm a nursing student I definitely believe in vaccines and I'm not a conspiracy theorist. And I don't have children ;)

>>7430639
>And I don't have children
want a couple?

>>7430638
Agreed!

>>7428668
it's not experimental. This technology has been around for decades and has been used commercially in many different ways, from bacteria that produces insulin to crops that can resist disease.

>>7430638
Start from around 4:45 in this vid to understand what I"m telling you

>>7430638

In case you didn't know this, but the cost of maintaining a vegan diet exorbitantly high. These are people who are nomadic, who often have to walk 10 miles to the nearest river to get water. Who have to primarily eat tree grubs. Insects, animals, etc are extremely high in energy, and one slaughtered animal will feed a village for over a month. You don't seem to understand in all your fairytale fantasizing of some stupid vegan utopia that the diet is unviable except for upper middle class stupid white people.

>>7430628
>Thinks that there is a conspiracy to experiment on Americans because of a personal lack of understanding of genes and genetic modification

>I'm not a conspiracy theorist

>>7428618
fuck off with your tinfoil bullshit

Im going to eat GMO foods because I support crops being able to survive viral and fungal outbreaks

If youre okay with losing it all then plant your own fucking garden and let everyone else do what they want

>>7430660
No, it isn't
I do it now, and I am EXTREMELY poor. I can get 1200 calories of beans for a fucking dollar.

Eating whole plant foods is ridiculously cheap, so long as buy intelligently. Beans, potatoes, bananas... these things are very inexpensive.

You don't have to shop at designer markets. I would never do that anyway, poor or not

>>7430660
>These are people who are nomadic, who often have to walk 10 miles to the nearest river to get water.
3rd worlders aren't the ones who need to go vegan. They can't afford meat anyway. We are.

>>7430671
Why should we abstain from a luxury we can afford?

>>7430660
>one slaughtered animal will feed a village
What do you think they do with all of the food that went to feed that animal?

What would be a more efficient use of resources? I could eat you or I could eat everything you've ever eaten.

>>7430687
Because it's cruel; it damages the environment, and it's a poor use of limited resources.

>>7430669

You don't run the entire day, the amount of food you need to eat to supply your body with enough energy you need even just going to work and sitting on 4chan is an impossible diet for a hunter/scavenger people. Veganism will never become a solution because the human body is not designed to eat only plant matter. It was designed with the diet of the average African villager in mind who eats crops, insects, lizards and the occasional beast of burden.

You're comparing the excess of western civilization to Africa and you have no actual concept of how truly privileged your white, suburban lifestyle is. Your entire solution hinges on this fantasy of veganism being the savior of humanity based on nothing by your neurotic desire to FEEL like you care about Africa.

We push towards GMOs because it's the only working solution that doesn't condemn billions of humans to a slow death. Just fuck off already with your pretentious faux activism.

>>7430694
It's not the most efficient source of food, but we feed them with renewable resources.

As for being cruel, I don't think the cattle are very reflective of how their life is spent.

How does it damage the environment?

>>7430695
No, the human body was designed to get its nutrients from wherever it can get it. That is why we are omnivorous. It's a resource, not a requirement.

You dont' understand how omnivorism. We are able to get nutrients from plants and animals. This doesn't imply a requisite split (we don't need to get a certain amount of plant and a certain amount of animal). It is opportunism. When one is unavailable, we'll get it from the other.

I'm not comparing lifestyles at all. I'm telling you were the crops go now, and where they would go if we had more of them. They would to the same place they go now, only more of it, and we could sell it to China. Why would we give it to the poor when we can sell it to China?


>>7430703
omg pls just google anything at all

>>7430704
>google anything at all

I found pictures of delicious steaks.

>>7430711
I'm not offended by pictures of steak. I've not been a vegan forever, and I live in America.

You should wonder about your impulse to try to offend someone who tells you the truth.

I mean, the thing is, this isn't even debatable. Veganism is less cruel, more environmentally friendly, healthier, and more sustainable. and not by a small margin either.

>>7430716
You told me to google anything.

I'm not trying to offend you, you just aren't addressing my rebuttal.

>>7430703

>>7430721
What rebuttal? We feed them with renewable resources? This ENTIRE THREAD is about how we don't have enough crops. WHY THE FUCK ARE WE FEEDING THEM TO ANIMALS?

You don't think cattle are reflective? wtf does that even mean? What about your dog, is he reflective? What if you tortured him? would that be okay? Clearly not, as there are laws against that sort of treatment of animals that are far dumber than some livestock.

How does it damage the environment?
No, seriously, google anything, man. No matter what you google, you'll find that meat is terrible (worse than anything else) for the environment. That's how ubiquitous that information is; that you are ignorant to it can only be willful.

>>7430704

You seem to genuinely not understand how exactly foreign aid works since you constantly seem to not understand where the crops come from and how they get to Africa. GMO crops come from GMO seeds, grown by farmers. Some crops are bought by the government which then sends that crop to Africa into various countries that need it most. Multiply this by US state, country until several dozens of countries are shipping millions of tons of vegetation to Africa a year.

Africans don't just go out killing their pack animals for food, typically they live a long life towing fields and hauling water, near the end of their life they're slaughtered and they feed the village and the animal's kids continue the duty in their parents place, the mother is often milked and sired, and when she gets old she'll be slaughtered too. One, it's a very humane way to kill an animal rather than letting it die of old age and rot away, and two do you expect them to not eat it if it keeps the cycle of life going in their village? You are so fucking out of touch with reality it is frankly alarming. They can't go down to Walmart and buy a bag of beans like you can, asshole, they have to face reality and eek out a living using everything available to them, which includes animals.

Just because your delicate sensibilities cannot handle the concept of death, does not mean you can clean your conscience of the even greater evil of letting billions die so you can feel better.

>"At least those dead Africans were vegan!"

>>7430730
I don't know where to begin with you. You don't have the first clue about a single thing that you've said or I've said. I think we can both agree to that at this point.

>>7428618
>>7428619
Yea, it's pretty fucked and a reason why I want a house that's big enough for a garden.

>>7430729
We don't have food shortages in America.

Yes, I don't think cattle are reflective. Raising cattle for food isn't the same as torturing an animal. This is a straw man.

If it's so ubiquitous, why can't you give me an example?

>>7430733

>I have no argument

Since I've shot down every empty-headed malnourished talking point you've presented so far, maybe it's time you try saying something original and not just parrot every vegan infographic you've been force fed in lieu of actual difficult reality.

Veganism is truly the act of shedding the concept of ordinary human reality and replacing it with unfiltered, unleaded kool-aid.

>>7430735
Just don't steal gm seeds for the garden.

>>7428618
>>7428619
i hate monsanto's bidness practices too but this is /x/ tier and doesn't help. also people are catching on they are hemorrhaging money. probably have to finance another war with vietnam or some other jungle place just to stay afloat in the next decade.

>>7430742
lol
okay bucko

honestly, I've wasted far too much time in this thread already

>>7430740
because I don't feel like it, and you aren't curious. otherwise, you could google pretty much anything. you are wasting my time for the sake of wasting it

>>7430668
You're free to do as you like :) enjoy!

>>7430754
>you are wasting my time for the sake of wasting it

No, I am responding to something you have said that I disagree with.

When you make a claim, you should expect that you might have to back it up with evidence.

>>7430669
That's right!

>>7430754
Actually, it would explain a lot if you base your opinions off of the first thing you see on google.

>>7430747
Thx for your input !!!! :)

>>7430765
>>7430771
I've schooled you idiots on every single thing we've talked about so far.

So there are a few explanations
1)You're too stupid to see that - continuing would be a waste of my time
2) You're too entrenched to care/be able to see it - continuing is a waste of my time
3) You're just trolls - continuing is a waste of my time

Ultimately, peace out holmes. You either understand how completely wrong you were shown to be or you don't. Either way, you'll do with it what you will.

>>7430779
You didn't show anything. You just made assertions.

These topics are great and important and do somewhat relate to the topic but we have digressed a bit from the true thesis. Monsanto! But feel free to discuss what you like. :) Just prefer it about Monsanto

>>7430779
Also, self awareness is a good thing.

Wonder if any of those can apply to you.

>>7428618
not this hippy bullshit again

>>7430832
Just because YOU fail to see the value of this type of awareness, it does not make it less valuable .

Pesticide use causing toxic runoff. anyone?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_pesticides

>>7430853
spreading fud about big agribiz is not awareness bruh

A fantastic source here:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Lydy/publication/7302066_Aquatic_Toxicity_Due_to_Residential_Use_of_Pyrethroid_Insecticides/links/00b7d517676ea87a41000000.pdf

Yet another scholarly article:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.364.6912&rep=rep1&type=pdf

>>7430122

>>7430906
Lol!

I know the 2nd link can be hard to understand if u never took sciences but I didn't mean to shut everyone up.

>>7428618
aren't some/most of monsanto's gmo's made to be roundup resistant? with roundup all but being declared carcinogenic, how will that affect their shit?

>>7430988
haven't you kept up with the news anon? everything is a carcinogen, the planet is out to kill us

>>7430988
I'm actually not sure. Perhaps you or I could google it and find that out. As soon as I find it , I'll post a link :) if u find first plz post if u have time!

>>7430991
Not our planet. It's chemicals we make silly willy ;)

>>7431001
that's hippy talk anon, the planet is trying to kill us, it has been for millions of years. if it's not man eating animals, then it's disease or climate extremes.

>>7431006

And poison monkeys.

>>7430988
I'm so sorry all this stuff it's heavy science and my links are hard to understand to most. If u know dna, haploid and diploids (referring to number of chromosomes) then you'll get it. I'm close to my bachelors of science, so it's not a problem for me. I tried to some it up in my og post but clearly people need more - and won't understand it when I provide it. Hopefully u will. Here's a link : http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s002170050461

When u do your research, the scholarly article are long but my fav reads. Hopefully u guys understand

>>7428618
>Laura
Tits or GTFO

>>7430988
The link is an abstract to a scientific article btw

>>7431019
interesting but I meant the possibilty of roundup being forcibly withdrawn from sale because it's too dangerous for the farmers and people living nearby the farms. They must be getting much bigger doses of the stuff than the end consumer.

>>7430862
Here you go 'bruh'
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7302066_Aquatic_Toxicity_Due_to_Residential_Use_of_Pyrethroid_Insecticides

>>7431039
Mmhm, that's actually out of the control of us. Monsanto does lobby and this type of thing needs to be regulated by the government. Sometimes the issue can be something as complex as corruption or as simple as a lack of regulation. I'm sure as time goes on, and more people become aware- as a democracy, they'll have to ban it. But that doesn't stop its production, just it's use in the country. Ex: some countries still used DDT even though it's toxic and banned in North America

>>7431039
I hope that answers your question. If not, I must not know enough about that topic specifically to answer it accurately. I apologize in advance if it doesn't help

>>7431039
Your point makes sense. They (farmers and their neighbors) probably do have a higher toxicity levels in their bodies

>>7431039

I really wouldn't worry about roundup unless you're a farmer using it every day, most shit containing solvents is generally carcinogenic.

>>7431065

I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>7431069
I didn't post this why does it say my name? Or did I just glitch?

>>7431076

I clearly am an idiot.

>>7431056

I don't know anything about what I'm talking about because my highest degree is a high school diploma.

Generally people with high school diplomas are only found shitposting on cooking boards on mongolian aquatic chess board carving forums.

I'm a huge faggot.

Uh oh ... Hackers? Pretending to be the OP?! Oh well, I guess I'm done with this thread. Enjoy the articles - they're long but good reads

>>7431019

I enjoy being this much of a pretentious cunt.

>>7431053

Oops I forgot DDT is one of the most effective pesticides ever created, and since its use has stopped mosquito borne illnesses like malaria have skyrocketed in developing nations.

>>7431086

Thanks for shitposting in our cambodian blueberry juice crushing tutorial forum.

Thx for everyone feed back! Good/bad/rude. Still got attention to the issue! Take care of yourselves and each other

LOLOLOL I CAN LOOK UP WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES AND PULL PAPERS OFF OF RESEARCHGATE, THAT MAKES ME AN EXPERT ON GENETICS, MEDICINE, CHEMISTRY, BIOLOGY, PHYSICS, AND MATH.

YOU GUYS WILL UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU *ALMOST* HAVE A BS LIKE ME.

I LOVE MAKING THE BOARD WORSE FOR NO REASON.

>>7431088
DDT isn't a pesticide ... Okay pretend Laura :D

You guys are showing you care by being assholes, it's cute :-)

>>7431095
>DDT

DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) is a colorless, crystalline, tasteless and almost odorless organochloride known for its insecticidal properties and environmental impacts.

Wow, I can read wikipedia and cite it like a make believe academic too.

Perhaps we should argue about semantics next to draw attention away from the fact that I have no idea what I (Laura) have no idea what I'm talking about and have no academic or industrial background in the subject I am shitposting about.

I never swore on this page. And this is my last post. Anymore posts from "Laura" are not from me

>>7431096

No, we are being assholes because this is 4chan.

>>7431098
>>7431095

Hey look I can quote wikipedia again, just like my earlier posts made by me (Laura).

The term pesticide includes all of the following: herbicide, insecticide, insect growth regulator, nematicide, termiticide, molluscicide, piscicide, avicide, rodenticide, predacide, bactericide, insect repellent, animal repellent, antimicrobial, fungicide, disinfectant (antimicrobial), and sanitizer.[2]

Isn't it amazing when people who have more than "almost a BS" come into your shitpost thread to prove how fucking wrong you (I, Laura, the OP) are?

Okay guys, this is really my last post.

I actually work for DOW chemical and I wanted to do a little bit of viral marketing against Monstanto because they are a competitor for some of our product lines.

My associate (Dave) should be in the thread soon since I just hit my post goal for the week and he still needs to make a few more viral posts to hit his limit.

Turns out you get banned from the NYT comment section if you shill too hard LOL.

>>7431104
Can I join in on the fun posting, Laura?

>>7431113

Of course you can, Laura.

Will you whipser sweet marketing, shill posts, and lies into my ear?

I desperately seek to make the board quality of /ck/ equal to that of /b/ by providing as many shitposts as possible that clog up the board unrelated to cooking.

>>7431111

Some fine work, Laura.

Buy DOW products, their chemicals do not pollute the environment and cause puppies to spontaneously appear on your laps.

For a nurse, I sure am desperately uninformed (especially considering my love of citing wikipedia) about the health of our poor children.

Critics argue that limitations on DDT use for public health purposes have caused unnecessary morbidity and mortality from vector-borne diseases, with some claims of malaria deaths ranging as high as the hundreds of thousands[118] and millions.[119] Robert Gwadz of the US National Institutes of Health said in 2007, "The ban on DDT may have killed 20 million children."

But remember kids (well, those of you who got to live past the age of 5 based on the miracles of modern agriculture and medicine, anyways), Monsanto is evil and any corporation who tries to make a profit should be eradicated.

The worst part about absolutely uninformed anti-Monsanto shills is that they don't even criticize Monsanto for the reasons that really matter, like them being general dicks to some farmers and litigating when it isn't necessary.

Instead, all we get to hear about week after week is the same old tin foil hat shit,
>muh GMO
>muh roundup
>muh organic food
>muh toxins
>muh health

Monsanto is evil stupid fucking trolls. Go back under the bridge

>>7431144
magic crystals are good for you health desu senpai

>>7431153

This is our bridge. Go back to tumblr, faglord.

>>7431155

Remember chemtrails senpai, the illuminati might get you otherwise lel.

>>7431122

Thanks for taking over my shift, Dave.

I was worried our new friends on 4chan.com might not be getting the right message about DOW Chemical (TM).

>>7431168
>.com

Every. Tim.

>>7430073
>Everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot or a shill
Says the idiot AND the shill.

>>7430135
They copyrighted the genetic code of the seeds, not the plants that they belong to.

>>7431153
So why has no one in this entire thread been able to prove it beyond linking to some nobody hippie's blog posts?

There are a lot of shitty things being committed by large corporations but they all have proof and evidence to substantiate the claims.

All I've seen on this thread is psychobabble, hyperbole, half truths, outright fabrications, and opinion based on hippie science.

>>7431799
There is one blog link and it's written by a doctor. There are many scholarly articles that I posted the links to after that youre welcome to read but probably won't understand. My focus on the article is not whether GMO is good or bad but rather the environmental impact of pesticide use and the hardships of farmers (especially 3rd world)

>>7431792
I never said that. Some troll just put their name as Laura and ruined the thread. I know this is 4chan but I never even swore or was rude to anyone on this page. Anything that was said by 'Laura ' that was rude or insulting was not me. I'm posting anon now anyway

>>7431793
Seeds are still living things on a biological standpoint. If u were to look at it under a microscope- with stain of course- u would see its composed of plants cells :) they look box shaped and have a cell wall structure to hold the shape of it.

I posted simple links because not everyone is like me and took sciences. I chose to make it more understandable but if u absolutely need this ... Then here it is. Good luck understanding ppm, haploid diploids and all the other things that'll make u derp :)
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.364.6912

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7302066_Aquatic_Toxicity_Due_to_Residential_Use_of_Pyrethroid_Insecticides

>>7428618
genetically targeted herbicides are not safe for exposure

>>7431799
I justed posted some scholarly articles above^^. Enjoy- I know u won't lol

if you think corporations don't modify foods to make them addictive and push the first domino in the line to auto-immune disorders, infertility and cancers then you're as naive as a child. consumers are seen as mice in an experiment. we'll die and reproduce another batch of medical test subjects.

antibiotics, vaccines and antacids for example.

but hey do what you wanna do. i'll stick to my fish, egg, chicken, turkey, fruit, veggies and rice while i watch you all die.

>>7432045
At this point there's no evidence that they do things like that however they can take advantage of mammal instincts . Humans, along with every other mammal, when they taste something hi sugar or high fat their body automatically tells him to gorge and to consume more of that . Mammal bodies are always trying to prepare for the winter or the famine that's going to come. The problem is, at least the North American culture, that famine is never going to come. We are just going to get fat. People who are addicted to food, is surprisingly an actual addiction, as the act releases dopamine, a hormone in the brain that makes them happy. So I'm very doubtful that they add things to make it addictive...when all they have to do is add high sugar high fat #mcdonalds lol
- Laura

>>7432045
But thank you for your input !!! I appreciate all comments (unless their insulting and unhelpful haha )

>>7432063
that's what i'm sayin. there's sugars in things that don't need sugar. there are advertisements directed towards children for breakfast cereals that have ridiculous amounts of sugar. 3.49 for sugar flakes when a dozen eggs cost roughly the same. it's sick to see people my age eating mcdonalds, chipotle and drinking soda and starbucks not because they don't care but because they were never told the risks. this is coming from a person who used to be fat. i had to learn from the internet how to live clean. my life would've been 5x better if as a adolescent i was taught about how much nutrition and exercise effects us mentally and physically. .

>>7432097
Oh wow good for you, losing weight very difficult thing to do !!! :D
Yes it is pretty sad, because you're right. They do specifically target and market to children knowing they can annoy there parents into submission. Ronald McDonald was not created to entertain adults

Their lol oops