/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>7029323

Whether you live in a country where tipping isn't customary, or you're just crying out of poverty...that driver gets paid either way. Cash rips are just an easy way for pizza guys to buy beer, drugs and cigarettes daily without having to wait for pay day.

I made enough driving pizzas in college to never have to get a "real" job, plus all the free pizza at the end of the night was nice. Shop/window pizzas that are left over get thrown away, so might as well feed your staff right?

Man...bringing home 3 or 4 full pizzas a night was always awesome. Roommates were all fat fucks by the end of the 2nd year doing it.

Nostalgia, thanks OP for being so poverty stricken and lazy.

>>7029323
I grew up as part of your average family. I've got a dad, a mom, and a sister. We always got pizza every friday. And between you and me, something amazing happened... and now I can talk to animals. It's really cool, but totally secret. And you know what? Life's never been the same.

>>7029333

The delivery driver isn't the lazy one, and isn't the whiny one for expecting tips, but OP is? I'm just confused here.

>>7029335


No Charlie you can not talk to animals.

>>7029336

Like I said, yoire either paying a delivery charge, or tipping. Either way the driver is the benefactor of your extra spending. 90% of pizza guys are using their own vehicles and petrol, so tipping is just an accepted custom.

If you're too poor to abide by thus custom, start making your own pizza, absolutely nothing stopping you.

>>7029344
>If you're too poor to abide by thus custom, start making your own pizza, absolutely nothing stopping you.

No, OP can just not tip. And you're not usually either paying a delivery charge or tip. They charge for both. Drivers can certainly handle one poor guy not wasting their money on optional monetary gratitude for a decent box of pizza now and then.

The pizzerias near me are 1-2 miles away. They're pretty close, so I usually just give them $2-4. OP isn't poor for doing this, he probably has a good reason for it too. $2 more than enough covers for the cost of the driver's gas around here. I also have to say that expecting more tip money for delivering more orders in the same car is ridiculous. I say this because some people honestly expect more money because they delivered two pizzas instead of one, which takes the same trip.

If the delivery fee isn't paying for his gas, then what's the point? It seems arbitrary.

>>7029357

This argument is arbitrary as well.

>>7029365

It's not if you want to look at tips as a means of paying for the driver's gas and convenience and nothing more. There's also more than one arguments made, but I guess it's easier to dismiss an entire post like this than it is to contribute.

>>7029386

In Countries where gratuity is included in the bill via inflated delivery charges, or places where people give cash directly to the driver doesn't matter much. Driver still receives compensation for petrol either way. Especially in Australia, those drivers make piles of dosh.

>>7029391

So delivery fees are gratuitous while tips are for petrol?

>>7029396

Compensation is compensation, they can spend it on whatever they want. My pizza guy always smells like weed and beer, so I'm guessing that's what he spends his spare money on...and probably why he's also a livery service for pizzas.

>>7029403

In America, tips are usually compensation, gratitude, weed, drugs, whatever he wants to see it. That's how people see it and that's how they usually spend it. For some reason, most pizzerias are charging for both delivery and tips, so that's the confusion.

I wish delivery fees and tips were the same thing. That sounds like a blast. Why are we always getting the short end of the stick?

Oh look its this thread again

>>7029408

You're paying for the luxury of others not only feeding you, but hand delivering it as well. I don't mind paying both. I always give my pizza guy $10.

>>7029414

When I walk into Pizza Hut and spend money on a pizza, I don't get an extra charge for the "luxury of others feeding me". I assume that goes into the price of my order, right? And the tips goes torwards the driver for the convenience and for the gas he spent. So this explanation doesn't make much sense. Where is that additional money going towards?

>>7029412

This is a "What's the delivery fee for?" thread rather than your average tip thread. You see the difference? I'm glad it's less general than your average tip thread, because then it actually can go somewhere.

>>7029422

If you're picking up pizza, you pay neither...you are however paying an exorbitant amount of money for takeaway food. It's a luxury to have others cook for you.

So here's the thing.

Pizza guys don't get a gas stipend or anything like that, in North America.

They get paid minimum wage for their job, but they have to pay for their gas, which should be paid for by their employer, but isn't, so they end up making less than minimum wage.

It's a shitty job, and they could find another, sure, if there are other places hiring. There's a reason you only find teenagers with no experience, old guys that are clearly drug addicts, and FOB immigrants doing the job, because everyone with a brain fucks off to do something else.

The delivery charge doesn't go to the driver, it goes to the pizza place. They're charging it because they can.

The tip though, that'll go to the driver.

>>7029425

Of course you pay neither. My point is that if I'm picking up a pizza, I'm already paying for that luxury of others cooking for me. If the delivery fee is paying for the same thing, it doesn't make much sense. If it's for the driver's gas and convenience, then the tips wouldn't be necessary.

>>7029430
>They're charging it because they can.

This. In fact, no one should stand for it and no one should justify it. Delivery costs extra just because, while. That money really should go to the driver, since pizza delivery is pretty well established in this country and isn't much of a novelty these days (and I'd hardly consider 16 year olds cooking my food a "luxury" like >>7029436 and >>7029425) but I digress. Pizza Hut isn't THAT good, is it?

>>7029436

The delivery fee I'd the charge a restaurant imposes for you occupying one of its employees. They could be sweeping or making dough you know.

Tips are for the driver.

So dominos is rolling out with its own vehicles for delivery drivers. I suspect the delivery charge to go up $2

>>7029444
>for you occupying one of its employees

>damn, that sounds dirty
>also three fours in a row at the end

>>7029478

I'd occupy her in a New Zealand minute, if you know what I mean

better question is: why do we ever tip anyone?

>>7029323
I actually kinda like tipping. It gave me way to send feedback without talking too much. I like to be generous and be known for it.

I dont think i am paying more, since without tipping stuff would be just more expensive. At least this way i can make someones day.

((OK, i guess i just like to abuse the power.))

I make $5.00 an hour, which isn't as bad as say working for somewhere else, but I tend to always make minimum wage on that this way. Please tip us.
If you don't your food will probably be last priority. Delivering without tip doesn't make us money, it makes the store money. If the owner isn't there I don't really care.
If you make me drive 10+ min no tip, I won't spit in your food next time but I wont guarantee my manager won't.
I break my back for regulars that tip well. I'll even throw in extra hot sauce or salsa or whatever if you ask for it.

>>7029526
If you don't like it, get a different job.

>>7029531

Or, you could get a better job that would afford you the opportunity to be generous to your servants.

One or the other.

>>7029533
I've got plenty of money for tips, but I refuse to tip out of principal.

>>7029531
I do like it and they're training me to be a manager so it could be worse. But there's a whole industry out there you're telling to "just get another job". There are people out there relying on your tips to pay for gas, groceries, bills, ect. We shouldn't have to rely on customers like that, but companies and owners are cheap and will go to any resort they can to cut down the amount they have to pay us. So a decent tip is good, a good tip makes an impression. No tip will probably be overlooked as much as possible. This is all on a basis of "next time", but we remember.

>>7029536

Doubtful. I am willing to bet your disposable income this week went towards a family sized bag of Halloween candy which you will eat by yourself watching nig-tier horror movies on Netflix.

Sorry your life sucks bro.

>>7029533
The only person I tip is my barber because cutting hair does take a bit of skill. I don't not tip people who only know how to carry plate of food or show up 45 mins after I order a pizza.

>>7029538
If you like it and you choose to work there, stop complaining.

>>7029531
Spoken like someone who wants to live beyond his means
>>7029533
This. I studied hard and finished school and now I can afford to enjoy food establishments that involve tipped employees.

If you don't like it, you can always cook at home, like I did when I was living on practically nothing.

The thing I hated most about being a student was that other students, who didn't live within their means, gave every young person a bad reputation by not tipping. So I'd go out for my once every 6 months nice restaurant meal (which wasn't even all that nice) and the maitre'd would give me the evil eye because I looked like "one of them" even though I tipped the correct amount. Students, don't go out to eat unless you can afford to go out to eat.

Luckily I don't look like "one of them" anymore so I can live like a human being.

>>7029540
Sorry you're so butthurt you can't get a job better than delivering pizza. But yeah, I'm totally the loser here. Me, not the fucking adult-sized delivery boy

I was friends with a pizza delivery guy. He said he'd spit in your pizza if you didn't tip.

I straight up told him to fuck off and not take it out on the customer. His boss is the one not paying him enough money, and he's a giant dick for expecting tips. If a pizza bitch is late, guess what? No tip. A tip is extra money for excellent service, not a freebie handout you get because people pity your job.

>>7029550
>I straight up told him to fuck off and not take it out on the customer
Is this what they call a social justice warrior?

>>7029546

I'm not the delivery guy though, adults can spot manchildren with only goodboy point to spend a mile away.

>>7029557
Only a delivery guy would get so angry about someone not tipping.

>>7029553
>wanting spit pizza the next time you order because you didn't have any ones for the guy
I shiggy diggy.

>>7029553

No, thanks a child living with his parents that doesn't understand why his "friend" with a job, car, and nice things isn't a loser like he is.

He's expressing pent up rage anon.

>>7029558

I'm not angry, I think you're pathetic for going against the grain just to "stick it to the man". That's what children do you know...

>>7029562
You seem to like calling everyone else a basement-dwelling NEET. I bet you're >>7029557 too. Projecting so hard.

>>7029562
I'm actually a homeowner at 20 with a car and a far better job than "pizza bitch"
Stay mad service industry

If you can't spare a dollar or two to tip a delivery guy but you're paying for the delivery fee willingly anyway go pick it up instead.

>>7029565

What does that have to do with your lack of disposable income? Don't backpeddle now that we're engaged in an a crush adult conversation about your financial house.

This is what you do when it's time to do your chores too huh...

TOPMOTHERFUCKINGKEK

>>7029553
Only if you believe consumers of delivered food are a class of people that have an unequal distribution of wealth, opportunities and privileges in society.

>>7029570
What if I have company and I want that shit delivered but it takes an hour to get there?
You best believe I'm not tipping for that shit.

>>7029569

Why are you trying to prove yourself on an anonymous image board?

Pics or it didn't happen, if you want to go the slow and painful route.

>>7029578
I'm saying if I get there within 30 min and you have no dollars to spare I'll be mad.

I can understand if it's a busy night and I don't reach your house til 40+ min. That's understandable. I don't tip for that shit either.
But my delivery times average out to 20-25 min from kitchen to doorstep.

>>7029573
Yeah, that comment was definitely written by an adult. Just look at yourself.

>>7029582

>n-no y-y-you

Btfo

>>7029579
Here's a picture of a house because we're on the internet.
Why do you keep trying to pretend anyone is jealous of pizza delivery drivers.

>>7029591
>everyone but me is a kid
>yeah, I totally BTFO'd everyone else

>>7029592

That's not your house nor am I the pizza guy. I'm just curious why you're trying to prove yourself to an imageboard full of slovenly neckbeards.

>>7029598

Not the same guy. Try keeping pace with the conversation swaggy American teen.

Why don't you have disposable income as an adult?

>>7029599
I never said it was my house. I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm only saying
>>7029562
is projecting.

>>7029602
Right, silly me for not noticing the difference between 2 people on an anonymous imageboard who both type like 15-year-old Americans

>>7029323

>order a pizza to be delivered
>driver shows up
>pay for pizza plus
>throw him a couple few bucks for tip
>eat pizza
>that easy
>nothing to debate
>what are you a child?

>>7029604

Don't brag about things you don't have unless you're prepared to support that claim.

>>7029606

>n-no, y-you're the American, n-not m-me.

Gets better with each post, keep going Mr. Money bags.

>>7029609
Except you actually act like an American, I don't.

>>7029609
Why should I have to prove anything to you?

It's the truth. you can believe me or not, it doesn't really make a difference.

>>7029612
You are the most American motherfucker I've ever seen on this board

>>7029614
Okay, where are you from, Mr. Delivery Boy?

>>7029612

North or South American? Which culture do I embody the most? Peruvian? Canadian?

>>7029613

>I own a house I'm better than pizza drivers
>NO I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING HERRRRRRR PIZZAAAAAA HERRRRRRR

Stay frosty faggot.

>>7029617
Nah, I'm American, too. I was just fucking with you

>>7029621
>too
I'm from England, mate. I knew you were American though, you really act like it.

>>7029623

Still not the same person bongboy. Why aren't you out killing the rioting muslims deeming Halloween a satanic festival?

>>7029623
That was my first post in the thread.

>>7029619
>REEEEEE I NEED PROOF
Okay buddy. Believe whatever you want to make yourself feel better about delivering pizzas.

>>7029627
>>7029628
You fucks need to stop replying to posts that weren't intended for you. I've been talking to 3 different people thinking it was 1 guy this whole time

>>7029630

I don't deliver pizzas though. I do however laugh in the face of your poverty.

>>7029631
Ha. Typical American

>>7029640
>implying I'm impoverished

ill just leave this here

>>7029640

All poverty should be laughed at anon, that's why tipping's gotta go

>>7029644

Who are you trying to prove that to?

>>7029651

Tipping ends poverty though.

>>7029656
Nobody, why are you trying to convince an anonymous Taiwanese cartoon picture cooking board that someone else is poor because they don't want spit in their food.

>>7029657

He is poor, no other excuse to not tip delivery servants.

>>7029670
Yes there god damn is.

>The pizza is late
>The pizza is not what you ordered
>The delivery driver is a woman
>Your order is not complete when delivered.
>The delivery driver is rude

>>7029672
>>The delivery driver is a woman
this is the only reason i answer the door naked when expecting a pizza

>>7029499

I see tipping as donations. I like to save every penny because I'm not exactly a wealthy person at the moment. Paying for gas is fine by me, but I also know that even without the poor guys tipping drivers still make more than I would if I still worked at McDonald's.

Tipping culture needs to end, not because I'm a fedora or "hardcore edgy" (apparently when an opinion hits ad nauseum, it's now edgy these days. love these new times) but because it encourages a lot of bad behavior.

What would be a good middle-ground? Where people can tip, but where drivers don't expect it? I mean if it wasn't allowed, I guess drivers can secretly take tips on the side.

The thing is, it's a stranger delivering my pizza from 15 minutes ago to my lazy ass. Gas prices keep hovering around ~$2.40. The driver could reach my house on the damn fumes. So I usually tip $2. He gets to pay for almost an entire gallon of gas.

>>7029323
You tip the driver because he is waiting on you. You pay a delivery surcharge for the additional overhead of delivery. Dumbfuck.

>>7030223
Why should you have to tip wait staff?

>>7029323
Don't order from Pizza Hut or Papa Johns. They're pretty much the only places that have an additional delivery charge and they're not even that good.

>>7030329
That's how they make their wages.

>>7029467
>So dominos is rolling out with its own vehicles for delivery drivers. I suspect the delivery charge to go up $2

If those are their vehicles with a built-in oven, for faster & fresher deliveries on average, I don't mind their charging more for deliveries.

Overall my jimmies are rustled at delivery charges, as they were largely added by big chains as the gas price was inching up as a way of accounting for the increased business costs, but now that gas prices have toppled they haven't lowered those fees, so the whole thing seems like a disingenuous sham. Jims would have been rustled less if they'd just said they were tacking on the fee because deliveries cost the business more than in-store pickups.

>>7029323

the companies have to insure the drivers.

>>7030341
no no no don't give me that shit

If they don't make enough money they can quit.

I'm paying for the food it costs x dollars I'm paying x dollars.
This mandatory tipping shit is for the birds.

>>7030361
Just find a new job! It's easy!

If they had found a better job already don't you think they'd be there?
Some people really don't have much of a choice.

>>7030341

That's wrong, actually. I can see why you'd tip a delivery person since they're actually using their own gas to deliver without additional compensation.

However, wait staff are paid the difference if their tips do not equal or exceed what they'd make on minimum wage. People who say that restaurant wait staff are not paid minimum wage are 1) lying or 2) are horrible with banking their tips.

It's not our concern that money burns a hole in your pocket. Do I tip really nice wait staff? Yep, but it's not because they're being exploited by Mr. Shekelstein.

>>7030223
>surcharge for the additional overhead of delivery

The surcharge goes to the business, which isn't paying for the delivery overhead. The driver is paying for that in the form of wear and tear on his car.

>>7030391
Their job is not my problem. I don't give money to the homeless, why should I give money to an entire profession of beggars?
Just because society tells me "boo hoo they don't make enough money"?

i still don't understand what the delivery fee is actually for

>>7029592
Okay Baker Nimocks house heritage square Fayetteville nc

Tips are for service. Delivery isn't service. It's delivery. He doesn't serve you the pizza doesn't refill your drink, doesn't recommend dishes or pairings, doesn't even take your order. Either he delivers on time or he doesn't. There is no outstanding service. Also, delivery guys get paid above minimum wage so they don't depend on our tips although that system is shit to begin with.

The only time tips for delivery are appropriate is during bad weather. Otherwise the delivery fee should cover it.

>>7029430
The gas it takes to drive from the pizza place to a house is measured in cents. Between a dime and a quarter at worst. No one would mind tipping that much but most people are too ebtitiled to even take that small an amount from a customer.

>>7030407
If you want people to do a job, you should want them to make money. When I delivered pizzas, between gas and car maintenance, I didn't make any money before tips.

If you want the job to not exist, that's fine. Go pick up your pizza at the store.

>>7030563
Depends on the car, climate, etc. I personally put like twenty to thirty in my car for every day I worked a shift, sometimes more if I got a full 8 hours. And that doesn't factor in maintenance of driving hundreds of miles every week

>>7030583
Considering you made $8 an hour it would give you 4 gallons of gas. Realisticly you're not covering more than 20 miles an hour during deliveries. 1.5 gallons worth. 2 gallons worth if you include maintenance. You're still making at least have of what you get. This is assuming you're on the road for every single hour you're working. So yeah I'm calling bullshit.

>>7029323
The only time I've ever been charged a delivery fee was when I ordered from a pizza joint that was a 15-20 minute drive away rather than one actually in the neighbourhood, y'all are getting reamed.

As people have pointed out, the delivery fee does not go to the driver it goes to the business.

In the US, that fee goes to off set the cost of the insurance costs for operating a delivery business.

I shit you not, when I was delivering for Pizza Hut they had to insure me against injury or death while on the job IN ADDITITION to my personal car insurance.

If I had died in an accident while delivering, my family could have gotten up to $1 million.

>live in europistan
>if you want a pizza, you just order one online and pay with card
>delivery guy is driving a company vehicle, perfectly isolated, fuel and maintenance provided by the pizza place itself
>delivery guy smiles and gives you your pizza, you paid beforehand so you can just take it
>driver doesnt even expect a tip because he's well compensated by his paycheck
>everyone is happy

Seeing you amerifats squabble over giving a driver some dollars because else he will spit in your food is hilarious yet highly depressing

>>7030973
That's why the tipping culture has got to go.
People say the drivers don't make any money but that's their own goddamn fault.

>>7029323
>they use delivery
>they don't go to pick it up themselves to save themselves pennies of difference that'd result from using gas money opposed to giving out a tip

>>7029540
>Doubtful. I am willing to bet your disposable income this week went towards a family sized bag of Halloween candy which you will eat by yourself watching nig-tier horror movies on Netflix.

>Sorry your life sucks bro.


If you're assuming all this because the guy says he refuses to tip, then you're insecure to the max.

>>7029564

>just to "stick it to the man"

There's a whole multitude of reasons you're watering down with this, and only to call someone "childish" for not tipping as well.

>>7029544

I don't like this notion that you should just "cook at home" if you don't have enough money for a tip. Most people make more than enough money from the people that do tips that there is no excuse whatsoever to bash people who don't spare the extra money.

Consider it part of your pay. You don't like it? Don't work there. There's a wide range of different low-skilled jobs that are always hiring. Convenience stores and retail stores and fast food jobs. There to where there's really no excuse to settle for a job that involves tipped employees unless it's literally the only place hiring in your area, and in that case just focus on the net sum of the tips rather than each individual person tipping you.

There's no reason to be so judgemental over people. They're not doing it unless their reason for tipping is out of spite. There should never be anything implied in someone who simply does not tip. Especially when you're talking about students, who aren't happy to spare $15 for a tip a restaurant just because they have a cell phone plan and a computer.

>>7029553
>Tells a guy to fuck off for spitting in people's food
>social justice warrior

>>7029640
>poverty
>not wanting to spend money if they don't have to

Stop derailing my thread with this fantasy about what an "adult". I don't know a single grown adult in the real world who would call someone a "child" for not tipping, or for almost anything that they disagree with. This is not how grown adults ask, this is how people who are trying hard to be "adult" will act.

>>7029670
>no other excuse to not tip delivery servants

You don't have the money? You can't spare the money? You just don't like spending money you don't have to? Go right ahead. Fellow delivery drivers sometimes don't tip either, or leave really small tips. That's because minimum wage doesn't pay, even with tips.

>>7030223
There is no overhead on delivery. The price is arbitrary. It's out of the novelty of delivery, which isn't that novel our a luxury after many decades of it being a practice.

pizza is bread, tomato sauce, a bit of cheese and reconstituted pigs assholes that they call toppings, yet they sell them for 10$? they can afford to pay their delivery drivers a decent wage. fuck tipping.

>>7032002

Pizza is really cheap in other countries! Us Americans really tolerate the worst in our food culture. We flock to the worst restaurants, even if the better competitor is cheaper. We pay up the ass for less quality and sometimes even less food. It's a huge industry based off of people's lack of self-control.

I'm not sure why we don't seem to care too much about it. I get that a lot of us have disposable incomes, but it doesn't justify spending $10 at McDonald's. It's hardly even convenient anymore when the alternatives are plenty.