/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6921370
jew pls go, your seeds are shit and monopoly is bad for everyone

i dislike the stigma because i think we could probably come up with some really neat shit if people were just allowed to tinker and fiddle and make crazy things

but i get it so whatever

>>6921383
> monopoly is bad for everyone
This is what's fucked about the GMO debate. Monsanto =/= GMO. Yes, Monsanto uses GMOs for some shady shit and they've cultivated GMO crops irresponsibly and fucked up the environment. But the answer is to regulate corporations like Monsanto, not to claim that modifying food somehow makes it inherently bad.

>>6921370
>No gmo's
>Planet starves
Where does this meme come from? Definitely not logic. Is it really just pure shilling or was their a questionable study somewhere? It reminds me of the "Islam is peaceful" meme.

>>6921432
>can't engineer plants to resist crop blight and insects
>they all die
what's hard to figure out about it

>>6921435
he's mentally retarded, take it easy on him

>>6921432
There are literally people that are currentyl starving, and the planet's population is in the middle of a boom, only GMOs give us any hope of feeding these people by allowing more food to be grown on less and shittier land

>>6921428
>Its evil but its not guys

The same reason why the FDA keeps banning poosible cancer cures snd things that would wreck big pharma and the cancer industry.

Yes the potential for a holy fruit or a holy infallible cure is their but everytime someone gets close to this fact they end up in jail mysteriously die coincidentally commit suicide or is just out right banned.

Capitalism is not conducive to a true utopian ideal such as this because things like this would be the death of capitalism.

Do you think they are ever gunna produce a seed that needs no tending that can grow in anything including desert?

It would not make them money.

But please keep parroting propaganda, the earth was doing fine before gmos all it really did was create more controversies.

>>6921435
>They all die
That hasn't happened yet and doesn't agree with all knowledge of agrarian history.
>>6921446
More food is not the solution to 3rd and 4th world population woes. Less assistance and prophylactics are the keys.

>>6921465
>the earth was doing fine before gmos
was that also before the population passed seven billion?

>>6921370
I only came here for the grill, tbh

I'm off to post some more Pepes

>>6921469
>More food is not the solution to 3rd and 4th world population woes
being able to grow more food in the 3rd world on less land and make that food more nutritious will be necessary

>>6921481
No it isn't. They need a population reduction.

>>6921465
>But please keep parroting propaganda, the earth was doing fine before gmos
Not really, more people are leading good lives now than ever before. The percent of the population dying from war and hunger are at all time lows. Capitalism and science have brought us incredibly far in a very short amount of time

Thats like saying "we were fine before computers"

>>6921435
How can a gmo seed possibly be better than a natural one?

You really think a capitalist system will give you a cure for cancer or even the holy grail of seeds?

They are linked to the FDA which is linked to the medical industry and big pharma, they are about perpetuating a system to make money preventative measures and cures and infallible healthy things dont make them money, they are all in cahoots , grow up kid.

>>6921492
We were better before computers.

>>6921488
>They need a population reduction.
Only if we shun technology and progress

but if you think it is necessary you might as well just kill yourself and help out

>>6921495
Thats just a ridiculous belief to have

>>6921493
>You really think a capitalist system will give you a cure for cancer or even the holy grail of seeds?
why wouldn't a corporation be interested in growing more food on less land? as far as the cure for cancer, I don't think we're too far off. you can provide no evidence of some conspiracy that's sweeping cancer cures under the rug. who knows, maybe there is one but at this point its like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. what would you say if I told you there's a pill that effectively prevents HIV infection? it exists, look up truvada. why didn't the companies that make AIDS drugs suppress truvada?

>>6921474
Yes due to the fact that gmos were introduced in the 90s and gmos are banned in the majority of countries for certain reasons.

Your not telling me the majority of the worlds planets scientist are wrong.

>>6921496
The white race needs to reproduce more. They are the ones facing birth rate crises. The non-whites are reproducing too much. Only Japan is an exception.

>>6921506
>and gmos are banned in the majority of countries for certain reasons.
nationalism, marketing, and fearmongering

>>6921370
Who is this jizzard wizard?

>>6921488
How different, your a revolutionary individual, your ideas will change the world for the better.

>Population control
Keep buying in to that zionist propaganda when less than 35% of the world is populated.

Notice how most of the population is coastal and the more you go inland its barren, just look at a map of lights, the planet is deserted for the most part.

>>6921506
>Your not telling me the majority of the worlds planets scientist are wrong.
The vast majority of scientists agree GMOs are safe. Don't tell me you honestly believe these governments are consulting actual scientists when banning things. They are making these laws to appease various special interests, usually because most of the major biotech companies are american and Europe is stuck in an age where anti-capitalist economic protectionism is still a thing for some reason

>>6921520
Most of the world's over populated countries don't have lights or use little electrical lighting.

>>6921492

http://web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/impact.html

Obvious disinfo and false equivalencies.

Again gmos were introduced in the 90s how do you think we got to this point?

The world is not in surplus because of gmos, they purposefully engineer gmos to be less nutrtious so your esentially eating air and cancer promoting cells which are resistant to treatment

>>6921535
>they purposefully engineer gmos to be less nutrtious
No they don't. In fact there are many GMO crops in the works specifically designed to be more nutritious that could be a real boon for poor people so long as luddites aren't successful in blocking them

>>6921505
Lol truvada is 2000 dollars

Hence why the guy last week tried to up the anti hiv pill from 13 to 3000

Its not a cure and its not infalliable and its expensive as fuck

Capitalist greed at its finest it cost 10 dollars to make that pill the mark up is ridiculous even if it cost one hundred to make its still insanely expensive.

>>6921513
Republicans are for gmos, they are for big companies your not fooling anyone.

And again the same can be done here in the states to promote gmos. Im going to take the worlds scientist advice before i take anything as a fact from entities regulated by a board that shuns preventative medicine and has an incentive to poison food and create false medicine to perpetuate an economy dictated by greed instead of utopian values.

>>6921526
Actually all of south america, asia, russia and even africa wont take gmo seeds.

Sorry the western world has an agenda.

I mean if it was really safe why not label Gmo food? Let the people decide.

>>6921538
>luddites
That doesn't mean what you think it means.

http://www.gmeducation.org/faqs/p149407-gm-crops-do-not-deliver-more-nutrition.html

Gmo shills please go.

I mean you can tell this is an obvious disinfo thread especially with the obvious grill in the picture used as bait

Paid shill confirmed.

>>6921561
Fair competition based on an informed consumer. How preposterous.

>>6921570
Why are they doing it here and not on /pol/?

Why genetically modify them when you could of been doing it the natural way and breed them like nature intended.

>>6921575
Why do we make medicines to cure diseases and fight infections when we could have just been doing it the way nature intended?

>>6921571
Lol fair competition is a front your trying to be politically correct in the name of evil.

Its like saying aids its not a virus its a living organism.

Damn the shill is strong.

Your obviously going to /b/ and /pol/ possibly sci next so good luck are your fraud campaign.

http://www.gmeducation.org/faqs/p149407-gm-crops-do-not-deliver-more-nutrition.html


>>6921582

Link above shill elsewhere.

They poison our food so they can cure us? Yea right.

And fluroide is not a nuerotoxin thats good for you.

In b4 autism is caused by certain vaccines.

How coincidental that every scientist that proved some vaccines cause autism mysteriously died shortly after.
So dont answer my question and rebuttal with a false equivalent comprised of seperate factors.

>>6921585
That was sarcasm, son.

>>6921370
literal 10/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

>you can drink a whole quart and roundup won't hurt you

>want to drink some?

>I'd be happy to

>okay we have some here

>No no I'm not stupid

>>6921604
Its hard to tell because an informed consumer would be aware of gmos so if they ever used that form of trickery to push their agenda that is outright lying.

An informed consumer would know which is gmos so might as well label it since they know not doing so raises suspicion, the only reasoning to this is that they dont want uninformed people parroting smart people than eventually doing the research themselves to confirm smart peoples suspicion.

>>6921520
> less than 35% of the world is populated
That's like 100% of all land masses.
Go live in the ocean then.

>>6921632
Keep it in context shill im obviously talking about the landmass excluding the poles.

By your rebuttal your claiming currently 100% of current land mass is populated when its actually less than 35% go shill to the goys on facebook.

>fucking with earth's ecosystem and making a quick buck on it

Jesus Christ, America, stop ruining life for everybody.

>>6921643
Go live in the sahara then. Fuck, there's so much land nobody would like to inhabit.
And much of it couldn't be cultivated anyway, not even with heavy use of GMOs.
That said, why would humankind even WANT to inhabit 100% of all land masses.

>>6921657
Because awesome hyper supercities and
Ultra suburbs, utopian concepts a programmed docile slave wouldnt understand, under the ocean and on the ocean is next, then underground which iscurrently being done then floating cities then artificial continents then space then terraforming other planets to do it again and by that time virtual reality where a lifetimes equals 88888888^-8888888^-8888 of a nanosecond


But then again you need vision for utopia and your most likely a peon.

>>6921627
All of the facts for a product should be on the packaging so the customer can make a properly informed decision. They omit quite a bit and lobby congress to allow this in order to facilitate unfair competition with better products. People think they are getting a deal when they are getting swindled.

>>6921669
I understand you saw a planet city in star wars or some other scifi trash but it would be a terrible place to live and usually they demonstrate that as well in your sci-shit.

If you feed rats blue m&ms, it reduces the effects of spinal cord injuries , but it turns their skin fucking permanently blue.

>>6921650
Yes, no one has ever ever done this before

Everybody has stayed in their own little huts and inbreeded with each other since the beginning of time

>>6921608
you have no idea. she's so gorgeous and sexy it's hard to believe she exists. I don't even mind that her nose and jaw are kind of big, it gives her face character. I dislike a stereotypically 'pretty' face in a woman, too symmetrical, it just looks bland

>>6921566
>>durr dant dont mean what you dink it men
yeah moron, that guy? he was talking about someone bitching about economic revolution for the growing of crops and efforts to resist it

>>The Luddites were 19th-century English textile workers who protested against newly developed labour-economizing technologies, primarily between 1811 and 1816

the parallel is clear. weather or not it is a good idea is up to yourself to decide but objectively the word was used correctly.

as for gmos. gmos are a bullshit topic meant to deflect attention form the beaurocracy benefiting it. essentially what that means you organic dipshits, is that the people who use the tool have convinced you to hate the tool more than the people using it

>>6921795
absolutely man, she has the rare combo of rocking bod and interesting face. incredible.

>>6921544

You're just pretending to be retarded right? That pill that was marked up doesn't fight HIV, it fights toxoplasmosis which you can get from being infected with AIDS.

>>6921370
>Can we talk about what utter bullshit the non-GMO fad is?

Can we talk about how little people lecturing others about GMOs usually know about GMOs?

Familiar with pollen drift and genetic pollution? No? Okay, thought not.
Keep pontificating though.

>>6921909
Luddites smashed machines because they thought they would take their jobs. Anon was not referring to anything like that. The Luddites were the working poor. They wouldn't resist efforts to improve their lives. Anon was using Luddite as a general label for anyone who was against technological progress though they were against advancement with one sided benefits. It was like he said minimum wage increases would be safe as long as McD workers didn't get in the way.

>bureaucracy

>>6922248
It was a Freudian slip. He realized gmo's only benefited capitalists and not the people which Luddites oppose.

>>6922248
>>thought they where taking their jobs
in this case the luddites are the organic farmers and their ilk, you know, the ones in direct competition?

or are you so fucking up your ass that this thought never occured to you?

>>6921943

Everyone with an educated background in agriculture that I've spoken to is in favor of GMOs. But it must be Monsanto infiltrating those universities, it's the liberal arts students that will enlighten us on the truth of the matter.

>>6921561
>if gmo foods are safe, why not make companies label them?
>gmo's need to be labeled, obviously they're dangerous!

>>6921561
>I mean if it was really safe why not label Gmo food? Let the people decide.

Because most people are retarded and there's already been a wave of fearmongering. Your average soccer mom will see "GMO" and instantly refuse to buy it based on fearmongering and not any actual research she did on her own. Like in the EU, it will kill the usage of GM foods.

Then, the science of genetically modifying crops will be gone. Killed in its tracks by fear, and what may have been a great boon to society would be lost. Imagine if we banned the production of automobiles because they used highly explosive fuel and were extremely unsafe at the time of their invention? These day's it's practically impossible to survive without use of an automobile for transportation, and GM foods are nowhere near as unsafe.

>>6921570
>I can't argue against you
>sh-sh-shill! That'll show them!
Fucking /pol/ is here

>Monsanto false equivalency shill appears again

Lmao, looks like those vaccines caused a raging form of autism, again

>>6921370
>2. if you take away GMOs the planet starves. so its academic whether or not they're bad for you anyway

Like famine is a bad thing at this point? The booming third-world population is going to be the single largest crisis ever faced by humanity in the coming decades; we could do with a couple billion less Chinese, Indians and Africans because otherwise they're going to drag the rest of the world down to their level.

I just want a genetically modified seedless grape that grows to be the size of a watermelon

>>6922684
World population is going to go downwards after 2060, very downwards, to troubling levels for many nations

>>6922694
And so I'd rather have the worst parts of the world depopulated NOW to give the nations worth a damn more breathing room; as far as I'm concerned, we should already be sterilizing Africans, Middle-easterners, Asians and Indians en masse or at the very least letting them starve and kill each other off to sustainable levels.

ITT: I am mentally incapable of distinguishing between the science and application of genetic modification, and the particular actions of one corporation.

>>6921469
everything you eat that isn't wild berries are GMO's you fucking retard, you think wheat and tomatoes and potatoes haven't been genetically modified over the past 200-2000 years?

What's your obsession with "all natural" buzzwords?

>>6923247

Jesus, I support GMOs and this argument is just as dumb as the anti-science side. GMOs refers to organisms that have had their genetics directly modified, as opposed to indirectly through breeding.

>>6921465
>The same reason why the FDA keeps banning poosible cancer cures

Source or STFU.

>>6922704
That makes no sense, you're an idiot

>>6923269
The mothership

>>6921510

That's a problem why?

Low birth rates happen as cultures move out of agriculture, where many children are good, into post-industrial economies, where the quality of the child raised matters more.

The only people arbitrarily shitting about Latinos having a higher birth rate than whites are dumb fucks who have ONLY the fact they're white going for them.

>>6921446
but the third world shitholes where people are starving are already overpopulated. producing more food just masks that and leads to more overpopulation. as shitty as it is, starvation is a major way nature curbs overpopulation.

>>6921370
Who is this semen demon?

>>6923481
>someone likes the jewfus

>>6921370
kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot. it's not a fucking fad. it's the same shit humans have been eating for thousands of years. fuck off shill

I'm surprised no one has said this yet:

One of the most legitimate reasons to oppose GMO food is the fact that according to US trade law, any GMO crop is wholly owned and controlled by the company that makes it. This means that any person found cultivating a crop that happens to share DNA with a company's GMO crop is technically violating copyright law .

Essentially this means that any GMO crop (which have been engineered to be the strongest motherfuckers out there) that may end up crossbreeding with another crop will yield a generation of crops that are technically that company's and not the person who cultivated them.

And, considering a lot of trade/copyright law is dictated by the US, guess which laws get supplanted in 3rd world countries full of farmers looking to get the most resistant seeds on the market?

it's probably not a good idea to put control of the *world's entire food supply* in the hands of 3 agriculture companies.

>>6921370
how about we label GMO food so the consumers can decide for themselves?

>>6923270
>That makes no sense
Western civilization is beneficial to the rest of humanity but that relationship has essentially only gone one way for a very long time and as such it makes sense to bolster the welfare of the part of the world that actually has a shot of finding a way out of our impending global crises at the expense of those who don't. The way things are going, the west is going to crash and burn under the weight of third-world GIBSMEDAT and we're ALL going to be fucked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O133ppiVnWY

>>6921370
Who dis bitch is?

>>6924068
This is a problem with copyright law, not with GMOs. It shouldn't be possible to copyright a living thing.

>>6921370
moar of girl in OP. she fine. and not too slutty

>every GMO thread

>>6921383
JEWS PLS GO

>>6922581
Yet ain't said a lie.

I'm pro GMO yet I want the third world to starve. Such dilemma.

>>6921370