/ck/ - Food & Cooking

OP Here, currently embarking on the long arduious journey of becoming a MS. I will answer as many questions as I possibly can. Currently 1/4.

>>6859076
never post this image again

same with that other one

>>6859081
Whats wrong with the 82 Lafite?

>>6859074
So..... what's people's opinion on pinotage, aka the marmite of wine? Never really see it discussed

Also does anyone resent / think it's bullshit that some criterias for wine quality (i'm looking at you WSET), rate quality of wine based on how well the nose balances the palat. I mean why the hell should it need to balance? If it's taste and smell are different but still good, it shouldn't matter

Also recommend me some god tier aged Rioja

>>6859076
I'm currently drinking a Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Pauillac 2005. Is it still too early or what?

>>6859089
>Rioja
Garcia Carrion, Pata Negra, Reserva 2010. Not a huge fan of Spanish wines, but this is one I have had and its a great bang for your buck.

>pinotage
I remember the first time I tried this varietal unknowing of its characteristic. I'e Cab franc =/= Green pepper. I swore to my friend that it smelled like acrylic paint. I do not like this varietal, but I have had some stellar South African wines. Stellar Chenin Blancs.

>WSET.
Keep in mind that the nose and the tongue are so intertwined that making a universally compound of flavor and smell. I cannot criticize them for going about the rating system that way. Personally I think that RP, and WS, and all the rating bodies sell wine before regarding everything else. Don't get me wrong its a fantastic tool to pick wine, but shouldn't be taken past face value. I hate Wine A but my friend loves Wine A. Vise/versa.

>>6859102
Very highly regarded vintage. Its ready to drink now, better to hold on to. Are you really drinking a first growth Bordeaux at 4am on a chinese anime board?

>>6859115
It's 8:24pm here in Hong Kong. Not everyone's in LA.

>>6859120
Hey, i'm in Hawaii.

Whats the deal, are the chinese still booming on the purchase of 1st growth Bordeaux? 2010,11 boom over yet? I understand there are a lot of fake bottles overthere.

>>6859123
I have no idea about other people or any wine booms, but my dad sources ours directly from the UK. We have a lot of Bordeaux 2005's from all manner of chateaus.

I do also hear about stories of rich chinese people here buying expensive red wine and cutting it with coke or chilling it lol.

>>6859130

Is this guy your dad?

on a serious note, go watch this documentary.. Its quite insane how the chinese market operates when it comes to expensive french wines.

>>6859132
We aren't chinese haha.

>>6859132

let me guess. English ex pat?

I do recommend you check the documentary out. Really is an interesting flick.

>>6859137
I wouldn't say expat (I was born here after all, when it was still part of Britain) but yes, ethnically a Brit.

Drinking this currently. This is always the third best value White Burgundy in my opinion, second and first being Pernot Bourgogne and Olivier Leflaive Bourgogne Les Setilles depending on vintage quality. Unfortunately, Matrot has the worst premature oxidation rates of all White Burgundies, so cellaring the Meursault 1er Perrieres is a waste of time and money.

What should I expect to spend if I want to try a decent, red Burgundy? Something that represents the style well and represents good value. Specific recommendations welcome.

>>6862022
Burgundy enthusiast here. This is an absolute crapshoot of a category, and expect to spend around $25-40. Generally, you would want a regional (Bourgogne) or value appellation from a known good producer. If you want to go the Bourgogne route, I would avoid the ones from the big merchant producers (Jadot, Bouchard, Faiveley, Drouhin, Latour) as I find their Bourgogne generally uninteresting. Small good producers generally have better grapes to put into their Bourgogne, but the top producers' Bourgogne would also be relatively expensive, so you have to find the right balance here (see Hudelot-Noellat).

For value appellations, Mercurey is probably the most popular choice because the quantities are higher and Faiveley makes a lot of them, ensuring decent distribution. The 1er Clos des Myglands is always good QPR. Savigny-les-Beaune has a number of really good producers but their wines are getting more expensive and might not be "value" to you. Pavelot, Chandon de Briailles, Simon Bize, Guillemot are all top SLB producers. Pernand is similar with Chandon de Briailles, Pavelot, and Rapet making good examples.

There are a lot more value subregions and good producers, but it will take too long to list them all. The theme here is that a good producer is paramount. If you buy based on land first and producer second, you may end up with bad wine. I would rather drink a good Savigny-les-Beaune than a poor Gevrey-Chambertin.

how to get into wine?
i've been buying the liquor store near me's closeout 5~8 dollar bottles and i have yet to figure out what I'm doing
I have managed to finish every bottle I've bought but some of them have been pretty janky

>>6862208
Probably by going to a proper wine store. Wine stores have an interest in getting you into wine, and they may run tastings or classes. You really have to drink around until you know what you like. Since you already have those closeout bottles under your belt, maybe you already have some idea about what you like and dislike in wine.

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>>6859135
This guy really thinks that to white people Hong Kong faggots aren't Chinese.

>>6862208
going to tastings is the best way to learn about wine. you can try a lot of wine side by side and develop a better understanding of what makes each one different from another. it'll help in figuring out which wines/characteristics you like more.

>>6859074
OP is mein fucking 1982 neger.
Pic related. The bottle i got for my 32'nd.

>>6859115
>nose and the tongue are so intertwined that making a universally compound of flavor and smell
No doubt, but the nose is so much more powerful than the tongue at identifying flavours that I don't find it fair to necessarily lump them together. I mean I've had wines that have an incredible depth of herbaceousness on the nose, leaning heavily toward a more vegetal side; but then on the tongue it changes and leans much more towards the fruity side. Both elements are great, but because they aren't similar the wine should be penalized? I don't think it's really fair

Also
>becoming an MS
Why would you put yourself through that anon

Does anyone in to New Zealand wine?

Personally, I really like it for the Sauvignon Blanc and the Pinot Noir. Always seems excellent value for money to me.

>>6862399
NZ Pinot Noir is great in my book, I think their SB's are overrated though

Sweeping generalizations I know, but still

>>6862400
I guess I stick with their SB because I normally know what to expect. Im not a big white wine drinker, but I know if I spend £10 on a NZ SB its normally going to be something that I like.

I recently tried a red wine from Italy (I think) that was around 16%. Im struggling to remember the name or find it online though if anyone has any idea.

>>6862414
It's the more pricey SB's I take issue with: I don't think they're worth the money (i'm looking at you Cloudy Bay)

Remember anything else about it? Italy has a large variety of wine m8, although 16% is on the high end of alcohol so it's going to be a hot area it was produced in

>>6862327
How much is it worth?

favorite wines (brand and or style) for cooking beef stew/roast with?

I used some yellow tail special reserve merlot (or something along those lines) last time and it was pretty nice.

>>6859076
>dat pic
>the long arduious journey of becoming a MS

>>6863732

any dry, bold red would work

merlot, cab, malbec, shiraz/syrah

>>6863772
That chart is extremely superficial despite how detailed it looks. If all it takes to be a MS is to know that chart, everyone would be a MS.

>>6859081
What's wrong with them?

>>6863843
>MS
This is ungooglable. Care to fill me?
1st guess: m'drinker of s'wine

>>6865525
*in
(I am not a big guy for you.)

>>6863843
OP here. Its a really rough idea of what types of wines there are, if you know more then take it at face value.

>>6865525
Master Sommelier.

>>6863732
Anything cheap really. As long as it doesn't taste terrible.

>>6862429
Cloudy Bay.... Moet ruined them. Its a nice wine for females but for fucks sake it is insane how expensive it is.

What do you use to pen your bottle?

My penknife crushed part of the glass rim while I was jigging the cork up, so I'm not sure about metal bottle openers any more.

Current favourites:
2010 Villa Puccini Tuscana Syrah Granache
2013 M. Chapoutier Luberon

Honourable Mention:
2013 M. Chapoutier Cotes-du-Rhone

>>6865674
Get one of these m8

>>6865739
Fuck

>>6865741
I've owned one of these.... The Chinese make a cheap clone of it that is 1000x times better than the Original, I believe you can find them on amazon under True Fabrications or something of the sort.

I want to get one of these.
http://www.code38.com/shop/elite-series/code38-elite-series-titanium
right now I just use a Chinese Le-Creuset clone for 2 months, and toss and repeat.

>>6859076
>currently embarking on a long arduous journey of becoming a gigantic bullshitter

You're well on your way

>>6859074
What do people think about elderberry wine?

>>6867355
Not OP. Live in SF Bay Area and know guys studying for Advanced Somm. They are the most detail oriented, obsessed guys I know. If you think they're bullshitting, well, goes to show what you know.

I worked in a restaurant for 2 years and learnt that 9/10 people can't tell the difference between shit wine and good wine. We ordered the cheapest stuff from an Italian wholesaler and sold it at exorbitant prices, giving people some spiel about how it's authentic Italian blah blah. Never got bad feedback, got lots of people talking about how great it was and how well it went with their food. Really amusing stuff.

>>6868270
Never had it before, I'd love to try it if you have anything you would recommend.

>>6868409
I get to sometimes work with Patrick Okubo MS of Hawaii... When I hear this guy talk about wine it really blows my mind.

>>6868505
9/10 people have shit palates and cannot differentiate shit garbage between something of quality, which isn't necessarily bad. This is something that is learned. No one is a natural taster. Think of it this way. If it was a blind tasting no one would know better. You are essentially doing the same thing.

>>6863801
only uses merlot and cab so far, but they both seem to work great. maybe i'll try those others next.

>>6865644
the only way you could have been less helpful is by not responding.

>>6865644
>Cloudy Bay
>Expensive

Maybe it's overpriced, but those prices are fairly inexpensive as far as fine wine goes. If you want to know expensive, try being a Burgundy collector. Almost everything of note is at least double the price of that Cloudy Bay SB.

>>6869032

It is expensive in the whole scheme of things compared to similar wines from the region bought in bulk.

What do you have in your burgundy collection if you do collect?

I like wine, but becoming an MS is in top 5 along with women studies and the upcoming hot new addition to colleges: LGBT studies.

>>6870526
>MFW I need to take LGBT 121 - Jenner: from Wheaties to Weenieless for my matriculation...

>>6859074
>vinifcation

Cringe

>>6870529

>>6862327
Holy shit anon, enjoy that, make it a special ritual.

I love Bordeaux more than anything.

Drank a magnum of this one time.

I know absolutely dick about wine. Like all I know are basic shit like dry, crisp whites go well with chicken and hearty, deep dark reds go with steak. I consulted a friend of mine and decided on serving a fruity Pinot Noir with the duck breast I'm making for a dinner party.

But I forgot to ask them about dessert wines. For dessert I made a very tropical dessert with coconut sorbet, mango-pineapple glaze, and macadamia nuts. What kind of dessert wine will go with this? Port? Sherry? Those are the only two I know lol

>tl;dr
What dessert wine goes well with tropical fruit flavors

Is there a general go-to place /ck/ approves of to buy wine online? (I'm in the US)

Just looking for some feedback on positive experiences some of you have had, i.e. quick shipping, maybe good bonus programs for frequently ordering; I wouldn't be surprised if some of you have a "wine card".

>>6870809
Generally it's difficult to buy wine online. The various local liquor laws make it a giant pain in the ass, if it's possible at all. If you find a place that will ship wine or liquor to your door and it's not a giant hassle then consider yourself very lucky. Most places it's illegal, and in those places where it's legal it's a pain.

>>6870878

Well, hopefully /g/ gets their ass in gear with delivery drone schemes so winemakers can just bring me a case above the cloudline straight from the field.

>>6870705
>What dessert wine goes well with tropical fruit flavors
muscat

>>6870878
where ?

i just orderer a botttle of old rum on amazon they delivered it in 3 days after my order.. the only thing had to do is put my IDcard number during the online order

>>6870878
Hi-Time Wine dot net and Drink Up NY. As long as you're in one of the places they'll ship alcohol to, they usually will.

Strangely, where I live (Indiana) it is illegal to ship wine and beer or something, and yet most websites online ship alcohol directly to my door. However, some websites will only ship me hard liquor and not beer or wine.

Really stupid ass laws

>>6868409
That's why they're pro bullshitters as opposed to run of the mill trolls you see online

>>6870526
Dude, those guys (the straight ones) pull more hot, rich chick pussy than all of 4chan combined.

>>6871002
Nope. They don't use all that Robert Parker BS language. They discuss wine aroma and flavor in terms average Joe can grasp. I've seen guys blind taste at parties. They don't hit 100%, but they're not bullshitting either. It's a learned skill like cooking.

>>6867343
If it's titanium, wouldn't that make it even more likely to crush the glass?

>>6865674
>>6872709
What the hell are you guys doing to break the glass of the bottle?

>>6859074
tip from an actual sommelier to you, cut the fancy pants bullshit. i know the rule of thumb is that if you cant baffle them with your brilliance you need to blind them with your bullshit, but this is an image board about cooking. most of the people here dont know jack about appelation controlé or the vinification process.

Good luck with your upcoming tests though, the 3 blindtastings are always fun, dont get too stressed though

Where do you start with red wine for the casual daily glass while you read a book or browse the web or have a friend over just eating cheese or chocolate or small-time shit not huge dinners?

Are there specific reds good for that kind of light daily type scenario? Or is there no difference between your red wine at dinner and your casual "order at a bar during a chat" wine?

>>6873152
Guy, singular. Screwed it in, pulled the top too far to the side, levering against the bottle, which then got crushed.
Makes me think a wooden corkscrew would be safer.

>>6873301
I think people usually prefer white wine to drink without a meal. If it were red, there would be no food for the tannins to interact with. But I'm no expert.

Why don't you own one of these yet?

>>6873601
Normally the waiters knifes work perfectly, heck, they are used by professionals opening a hundred or more bottles a day. Just don't screw it in too deep or you could set up an angle where you put more sideways pressure on the cork or the glass than pulling power.

>>6874043
These are great when dealing with old bottles where the cork might not be in good condition any more. I find them a little clumsy though for the normal, good cork.

>>6873601
I've opened hundreds of bottles with pulltap and ah-so. Never had any glass break or damage. Maybe you had a defective glass bottle.

>>6874514
Seriously, how the fuck did you break the neck? that seems like bullshit.


I do carry one of these for when I have to open older bottles in the collection. The Ah So!
https://anythingwine.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/ah-so-what-the-heck-is-that/

What's in the "wine enthusiast starter kit" besides a set of glasses and one of those cork multitools?

I want to get into it, but I don't know what shit I need to buy for a solid starter. Do I need one of those pour-aerator things?

>>6875712
You don't need anything to get into wine other than wine, corkscrew, and a good glass. Decanters, aerators, multiple glasses, etc are all optional. There are definitely too many useless wine gadgets out there. I would buy each piece separately rather than as a kit.

>>6875045
Corks are such pieces of shit that I'm finding myself using the ah-so on almost every bottle. I've had 10 years old cork break in half on me even though the cork wasn't dried up or brittle. Dealing with moldy crumbly corks on mature wines is never fun. Can't wait for Stelvin screwcap to become mainstream in fine wine.

>>6875045
>Seriously, how the fuck did you break the neck? that seems like bullshit.
Yes, I'm fucking with you. That is something I would spare five seconds to do.

>>6875929
Even though I know that the Stelvin caps are badass. I still enjoy the feeling of real cork. When I go out to dinner, I really enjoy the presentation of the cork.

I pretty much am just as sufficient with my Ah-so than my regular key. It takes a while to be able to do it fluently during service, but once you get it down it is such a blessing for older wines. I even will not chance big wines, always using the Ah-so. Even for some older Burgundian wines.

>>6876763
Meant to quote the one you quoted
>my bad homefry

>>6875929
I think 10 more years and most of the winery's change from cork to screw caps or glass-cork .... better then synthetic foam cork

>>6876972
I remember people saying this in the 1990s. It's not going to happen. You might as well say that most wineries will be switching to tetra pak in 10 years.

I'm not saying it won't be more common to see screw caps but "most wineries", maybe in 100 years. Definitely not 10. Unless there's some plague that wipes out all the cork trees.

>>6859076
First step in your wine career, delete this image. It's horribly wrong

>>6862399
It's shit. The sauv blanc tastes like shitty fruit punch, and the pinot noir is undrinkable unless you spend $30+ and at that point you might as well get french, american, or german

No one should even be drinking sauv blanc that doesn't come from the loire, it's just one of those grapes that doesn't do well in other places

>>6859074
what are some good sparkling wines? preferably brut or extra dry, but ill try anything new.

on a related note, is moet considered overrated in the wine world?

>>6877002
forgot to add, when i say good, my budget is 80/bottle. i know there are a lot of good cheaper wines, but going up the price scale isnt a problem.

>>6867343
>625 dollars for a single hinge waiter screw

My sides, the chinrese drop dough on anything

>>6877004
At this price point, you're basically only looking at Champagne. $80 is awkward because you don't have enough for the prestige labels from big houses. I would avoid the basic NV stuff from big producers because they tend to be boring and similarly priced grower champagnes are usually better.

>tfw Majestic Wine is doing 33% off Veuve and Perrier Jouet
>tfw so tempted
>tfw like you're cheating on your wine merchant

>>6876987
Covered it earlier, something I never look at and saved of of CK. It isn't "horribly wrong", its basic.

>>6876993
I disagree, I have had amazing wines from New Zealand. Some great quality wines come from Marlborough as well as Hawkes bay. They also produce some great Riesling. The best Sauv Blanc is from Loire, hands down. I can agree with that.

>>6877002
Moet Imperial.
Perrier Jouet if you can get it on sale.
Louis Roederer NV Brut.
Nicolas Feuillatte Rose

I mean.. be a little more specific, what do you like? those are some good easy wines to enjoy.

>>6877019
gotta pay to play nigga, also I am not chinese, OP here. Think of it this way, in this line of work, its a tool I would use for 6+hours a day 5-6 days a week. Its justifiable in the scheme of things.

>>6878002
He doesn't need to know baby...

>>6877515
80 bucks can buy something nice man! he said he can scale.

>>6878386
B-but he's such a nice guy

Fuck they've got tonnes of English sparkling wine on sale to, something which i've only tried once. Does Chapeldown live up to the hype guys?

>>6878386

It's wrong right from the basic idea, anyone who picks a wine because of that nice strawberry aroma or whatever isn't getting it, that's not what a good wine is about.

I don't understand how someone who wants to be a sommelier can defend this.

>>6879694
Let me explain, I am not saying its right or wrong. But if you even at least take the names of different regions and generally what some of those regions produce style wise.

look at the tab under Spicy/fruity.

What does a Chinon red taste like?

Green bell peppers.

Hence, Cabernet Franc would be green pepper. It isn't such a insane idea to categorize wines for some basic tastes attributed to the style and or varietal.

Its NOT perfect, its a rough idea of region to style. Really, don't try to nit pick it. You pick out a flaw in it and yet do not explain why you have an issue with it. I respect your opinion, but I do disagree.

Good wine is what you make it to be. It is about a moment, an experience, or a uncovering of self and or conscientiousness through the labor of love that is wine making.

>>6879660

dat heavy Chalky as fuck soil m8. I can imagine it can be some really good bubbles. I've yet to try it.

Well my floor manager just gave me a college lecture on wine.

>California #1 ;D
>France mad at Chinese
>Australia coming up
>Chinese are a great business people

>>6879983
I really want it to be good, it would be nice for the UK to have something half decent to contribute to the world of wine, seen as we've been such a major importer for such a long time

>>6879976
>do not explain why you have an issue with it

I thought the issue is obvious, a good wine is about the composition of flavour and aroma. The right 'amount' of sweet, tart and fruity. Just the same amount of sugar can be pretty disgusting in an otherwise bland wine and just great in another if there's a lot of flavour coming with it. That cherry aroma can be great if it's just a hint, too much and you have cherry wine. A little acidity is needed too. It's all in the balance of flavours, picking a wine for a single aroma seems rather silly to me. Pumpkin spice wine anyone?