/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6730471

Listen master of reading comprehension, the pic clearly states the price is due to rarity not taste.

>>6730473
If I create an indistinguishable copy, it's not rare anymore.

>>6730478

So you want to flood the market with shitty tasting whiskey to shift the supply curve....to what end, asshat?

>>6730478
>if

>>6730485
>shitty tasting
It's a synthetic copy that passes double-blind tests. It tastes exactly the same as the original.

>>6730492
What you're describing is scientifically impossible.

Or you could just let the idiots spunk all of their money on whiskey.

>>6730493
How so? It's every day reality with modern techs such as High Performance Liquid Chromatography. This isn't rocket science. Some molecules will have to be synthesized. No problem. Nowadays you can get a custom synth for any possible chemical.

>>6730471

Just let the richfags take there rare whiskey. also half that shit would cost more time and money than to figure out how to make a good whiskey yourself

>>6730497

I can see you failed chemistry and economics. The sheer cost the synthesize this product which would ultimately be a poor representation of the original wouldn't even result in cheaper product.

>>6730471

Do you also have a High Performance Time Machine to age the whiskey?

>>6730505
Age is irrelevant
>>6730503
Not at high volume. Whiskey is mostly water, ethanol and minuscule amounts of hundreds of molecules.

>>6730506

Naw, bitch the research and development cost coupled with the associated capital equipment and manufacturing costs of your exotic particles alone would make it more expensive.

>>6730497

>this isn't rocket science

In some ways it's harder.

Anyway rare whiskies are always going to be valuable. At least until we stop valuing scarcity, and I don't see why that would happen.

>>6730506
>implying water and ethanol don't have any molecules

>>6730471
its basically a moneysink to keep richfags numb minded and poor.

jews come up with all sorts of stupid shit like this and richfags eat it up. their goal is to make sure you pass as little money onto the next generation as possible.

think limited lifetime items such as cars, consumables(whiskey), food, clothing, technology(cellphones).

not even /pol/, not going there so fuck off JIDF.

>>6730553
>think limited lifetime items
i guess i should have said items that depreciate/amortize very quickly. cars/technology instantly decreases in value upon use and constantly degrade 99% of the time.

>>6730497
If you honest to god think it's easy to analyse every single molecule in a drink like 62 year old whiskey,take those molecules and create carbon copies of each other and put them back together at the exact same ratio as the original,you're the dumbest guy I've seen today

>>6730553
>not even /pol/
Yes. You and your post belong there. Fuck off with your le jews are bad shit

>>6730565
>Yes. You and your post belong there. Fuck off with your le jews are bad shit
nope, but thanks for the free advertisement :^)

>>6730568
No, seriously, go back to that shit infested mall-tier political board.

>>6730565
Oh fuck off back to reddit. Everyone is really getting sick of your constant whining about people saying mean words on fucking 4chan of all places.

>>6730572
nope, but pls quote my original post when saying so >>6730553

>>6730576
>>6730578
GTFO poltards

>>6730553
>its basically a moneysink to keep richfags numb minded and poor.
kind of like magic cards or any TCG, they print a type of currency and control the market value. eventually the cards are bound to wind up out of use due to technology, yet nerds rich and poor alike blow loads of cash on it instead of things that will last.

>>6730592
>eventually the cards are bound to wind up out of use due to technology
pretty much how it is anyways, people print out proxys(fake cards) of 1000$ black lotus', theyre getting so good a lot of judges cant even tell the difference.

>>6730471
wont be long before someone is able to fake good whiskey, it happened in the prohibition era, and it will certainly happen again.

>>6730471

why don't you just check your privilege and purchase whiskey on a tier on your poverty level?

>>6730576
I don't give a fuck how mean you are, but keep /pol/ on /pol/. Reading the rantings of paranoid retards is entertaining for only so long

>>6730595
>wont be long before someone is able to fake good whiskey, it happened in the prohibition era, and it will certainly happen again.
the funny thing is, im sure most good whiskey is just chemically induced flavor with a pricy looking bottle to hold it.
kind of like how bottled water is just tap water sometimes.

You could send it for chemical analysis, but usually what happens you ask if the substance has X in it, and they'll answer yes/no and how much. They rarely tell you everything about it due to legality.
>>6730506
>age is irrelevant
age affects the taste and the makeup of the drink

>>6730497

you will never in your lifetime meet a person capable of perfectly imitating the whiskey in the OPs pic. a few may exist on earth with sufficient genius to synthesize an ounce.

>62 years old

What are the odds it is overoaked as fuck?

>>6730497
ye, i make gold out of literal dust at work but no, you can not recreate the drink.
theres a reason why we still grow stuff on trees instead of synthing it

>>6730680
I came here to say this.

>>6730679
>you will never in your lifetime meet a person capable of perfectly imitating the whiskey in the OPs pic. a few may exist on earth with sufficient genius to synthesize an ounce.
doesnt matter, not everyone is a renowned whiskey taster, if you can fool 99% of people then you can sell garbage for 200$ a bottle, just like fake art masterpieces.

>>6730705
So you've totally changed the goal from "replicate the product exactly" to "make it close enough to fool people who drink whisky for prestige instead of taste". Which is something people already do with a still, some oak barrels, a few years on their hands, and a good marketing department. For much cheaper than a mass synthesising operation would cost you.

>>6730725

You keep trying to make it sound more complicated or scarier than what it basically is: a coke factory. Just mix the tubs together and you're good to go.

>>6730820
>making coke is the same as making whisky
Okay

it's pretty easy to cheat/accelerate the barrel aging process with ultrasonic infusion or cavitation or whatever it is

but we still don't know exactly how this shit works

Just don't buy it. If nobody buys it there'll be no point in them selling it and they'll have to adapt. Of course most whiskey isn't as ridiculous as that example there, but still, whiskey isn't cheap.

Who cares if there's a few extravagantly priced bottles sitting around for a rich doofus to buy, though? Doesn't affect you. Though I'd still be fine with someone finding out how to exactly replicate the composition of say a 10 year old whiskey in order to reduce the price by speeding up production since aging time could be cut out. I suspect it isn't as simple as simply injecting the right amount of oak juice, but go for it.

>>6730680
This, it's kind of stupid. Nothing fucking magical is going to happen after 60 years in wood, the shit's just going to taste extremely like wood. The right amount of oak complements the spirit nicely. I don't have the money to find out for myself but I can think of no reason, in terms of taste, than an ultra-old whiskey is good for anything.

>>6730563
You dont need to analyze every single molecule to get an idea of whats in the liquid.

You just need to identify what molecules give the whiskey its flavor, and what doesnt. Then use multiple spectrophometry to figure out what the concentration is of each molecule that we care about.

If it doesnt end up tasting the same, you can go back to the original sample for to find more molecules that may have been overlooked, and repeat the process.

Note that I am not a chemist and I don't know how much any of this would cost, but I imagine that would allow you to get a pretty close replication of the expensive whiskey.

>>6730959
>Note that I am not a chemist and I don't know how much any of this would cost

That's evident. I have about 15 years experience working in Chemisty labs. Here's the problem: unlike what you see on TV shows like CSI, there does not exist a method to simply "find out what's in it". That's pure fiction.

What a lab can do is basically the equivalent of asking yes or no questions: e.g. is there chemical X in the whisky? What about Y? And Z? You have to specifically look for each individual thing you want to detect. That creates several problems:
1) You often times don't even know what you're looking for. If you don't know what it is then you cannot devise a test method to look for it.
2) There are an awful lot of individual tests required: hundreds if not thousands. That's time consuming and therefore expensive.
3) Some things you may want to measure could easily require specialized equipment or perhaps even a new type of test to be invented.

...it's not like you can pour a sample of booze into the Analyze-O-Meter-6000 and have it spit out a list of everything that's in it and what their concentrations are. You're talking about a truly massive undertaking.

>>6730473
>price is due to rarity not taste
Thanks Obama!

>>6730959
You come across as a jap trying to hork it's soulless and heartless shit to Americans, but how like the jap soulless and heartless culture it is.

>>6730979
Devaluation and inflatation of our currency goes way back before obama. That nigger doesn't have a clue about the Federal Reserve and BIS.

>>6730979
As much as I don't like Obama you can't blame a nigger for things that a nigger can't understand. Really, look into the federal reserve and bis, that's bis.org on the latter.

>>6730968
Well that kinda sucks. One would think that there would be some sort of machine that would allow for the identification of multiple known molecules in a sample.

I probably shouldn't think too hard about it, its really not my field.

>>6730999
The financial system of the USA and the world transcends both democrats and republicans and makes them both look like puppets.

>>6731002
Not really sure what your getting at, can you elaborate?

>>6730999
That's only one reason that when you see people yammering on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and CNN you know that they're just yammering and really full of shit.

>>6731006
I could write books about it but it's better if you start at a source book.

It's not asserting anything, yet.
This may seem a bit dated, but it's really not.

This is cooking in a lot of ways, cooking books, cooking our economies.

>>6730725
>So you've totally changed the goal from
not that anon, not that it matters youre still wrong

>>6730501
Really though. Just look at the winners of best in show at the SF World Spirits Competition. A lot of them aren't very expensive. http://sfspiritscomp.com/pdf/S15-BestInShowWinnerList.pdf

>>6730968
you dont even need to copy every molecule, you find the distinct flavour profile and develop a flavouring to mimic that. make one that bonds properly and noone would know the difference, not even professional tasters.

still a massive undertaking, but much cheaper than your idea of it.

>>6730471
>- Perform in-depth chemical analysis, HPLC, GC/MS, whatever. Qualify and quantify each and every molecule in the $200000 whiskey
>- Recreate an exact copy

This is what they did for the 1908 Earnest Shackleton Highland Malt
Still costs $100

>>6731044
Awesomo approves of your assertion.

>>6731032
Wow you sure showed me.

>>6730497
I'm a chemist who works with HPLC quite a lot.

What you're suggesting...fuck that

I don't think you realise just how much time and effort replicating that would be. I doubt if it's even possible to do it properly, and if it is it's going to cost far in excess of £200 grand.

Stupid idea, you should feel stupid.

>>6731034
Craigellache 23 runs in the $500 range but yes a far cry from bottlings which cost thousands. Those really aren't "whisky drinkers' whiskies", they are mostly aimed at the collectors market. I wouldn't be surprised if only one bottle of that Dalmore actually gets consumed really, it is a showpiece for collectors or something they will hang on to for some years and then try to auction it off at a profit.

>>6731048
Not through the methods op was talking about. They just recreated the process, they didn't synthesize the molecules and mix them together. Still interesting to read about though.

>>6731284
I've never had a Dalmore but I defer to the opinion of Based Ralfy who seems to think it's shit.

>>6731145
yup, i did.
see >>6731048
>>6731044

>>6731419
And again, you could do it cheaper by just using similar methods in distillation and maturation at less cost.

>>6731429
nope, i dont think you read the posts

>>6730553
>business wants to make money
>JEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWS

>not /pol/
Sure, buddy

>>6730576
And nobody's sick of your tinfoil hat ramblings

>>6731290
Really ticks all the boxes of something he'd avoid. Heavily chill-filtered, e150a everywhere, bottled at 40%, lots of marketing and "fashion" appeal. From what I ree the only Dalmore he's even revised was a Signatory bottling.

>>6730959
>>6731002
>>6731010
>>6731015
Fucking retard fuck off back to /pol/
>>6731203
He's a fucktard /pol/faggot who blames people wanting to spend money on themselves on the Jews and made this whole thread to "redpill"

>>6731450
You're fucking retarded, in none of those did they ever use HLPC.

>>6730478
>implying the presence of counterfeit merchandise changes the price of the real merchandise

What's keeping me from pretending I found a 50 year old barrel of whiskey in my grandpa's cellar and cashing in massively? Everyone knows overpriced alcohol is just pretentious bullshit, so they can't tell my the taste.

>>6731489
And I think that was the review in which he said that he's never reviewed a Dalmore before because while it might be a good whiskey, it's overbranded and treated badly. You can see the artificial caramel glow in the OP image.

>>6731552
While placebo is real sometimes, people who know whiskey will know by the taste if it's actually something very old. Also, unless you actually have a labeled barrel with the documentation from the distillery from which it was bought I don't think anyone would take you seriously. If you can find a rich retard to take your word on that with no proof, go for it.

>>6731203
>The Human Whiskey Project: The brightest chemists all huddled around their chromatography machines attempting to replicate the zenith of overpriced whiskey
>Research institution calls them on their bullshit and cuts funding
>Project ends just in time for happy hour; two dollar you-call-its

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