/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6366566
Those hotdogs look disgusting.

>>6366571

They're vienna sausages, not hot dogs.

>>6366578
A vienna sausage is a hot dog.

>>6366566
I cook vegan food for everybody. It's easier for me and most people don't even notice or care.

>>6366578
My Wiener doesn't look like mystery goo in sausage shape.

I never expect or force anyone to cook in a way that is consistent with my own habits but if I am cooking for someone with dietary differences I try to respect those.

>>6366586
No, no they are not.

>>6366566
>supporting the murder of innocent animals and destruction of the planet by buying meat

why are you vegetarian in the first place? you probably realise it's a healthier life style so why would you feed your guests unhealthy shit? work on making delicious vegetarian food.

>>6366640
You're the reason people hate vegetarians.

>>6366649
kek i know. caring about things is my greatest downfall. fuck animals fuck the planet and fuck me

>>6366591
>most people don't notice or care
they're being polite

>>6366640

I own a dog. I buy meat for them, they eat RAW. I am vegan myself.

Stop being a damn hippie. My friends like meat so I will feed them meat

>>6366662
Why are you still using a computer and supporting the exploitation of chinese workers and the enviroment?
Why are you still using electricity provided to you by the local coal power plant?
Why are you using any transportation method that is not your own two feet?
You could can go on for hours.
Unless you live in a cave and are completely self sustained, you are a hypocrite hipster trying to take the moral high ground.

>>6366764
>I own a dog. I buy meat for them, they eat RAW. I am vegan myself.
Thank you for not torturing your pet.

Seriously. An adult human can inflict whatever diet they want to on themselves, but I can't stand the ones who try to push something like veganism on carnivorous pets.

You are officially one of the handful of vegans I respect.

>>6366566
Don't you know how to cook good vegan food? I find it odd that you would serve meat to guests despite being ethically opposed to it.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with feeding your kids vegan food.

>>6366790
Dogs are not obligate carnivores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#Diet

>>6366806
>Besides, there's nothing wrong with feeding your kids vegan food.
As long as you don't exclusively feed them vegan food.

>>6366806
I want to fucking punch you in the face.

>>6366813
carnist values

lol

>>6366813
Why you would be so mean anon?

:(

>>6366827
Some crazy hippie couple starved their kid a few years ago and it was all over the news, so now if you let your kid even TOUCH a legume he's going to get rickets, shrivel up, and die

Basically anything that isn't McDonalds has vegan cooties and we must be very careful not to offend them

>>6366806
Yeah, dogs can live for a while on vegan foods, but it will be it's death.

It's amusing that the Wikipedia article claims that they can thrive on such when literally no legitimate source claims the same. If you want a pet that you can feed nothing but veggies to, get a rabbit. Meatless diets are non ideal and most often detrimental for dogs.

>>6366841

>>6366640
>why would you feed your guests unhealthy shit
To me it should be "my home my rules" so I would cook vegan for my guests, and accept to eat non vegan by them.

>>6366841
I can never tell if you're being serious, or just shitposting

>>6366873
I get the feeling that mm actually is that insufferable. You don't actively hint down and attack a single group with his regularity without there being real gate to fuel it.

>>6366858
Animals aren't people.

I know how to cook meat dishes, I've only been a vegetarian only three years, but I never have to cook meat dishes because everyone I make food for is vegetarian.

my best dish is okonomiyaki which blows most meat dishes out of the water imo

>>6366678
Nah. The only person who ever notices or complains is my housemate, but fuck him. He always expects me to make him dinner but never does the same in return, so I stopped catering to him awhile ago.

>>6367013
Because you're vegan... Wtf do you even eat that's worth cooking.

>>6366858
>all genders
>all sexualities
These people should not be near children.

Let kids make their own choices on food - I have veggie friends whose kids eat meat and love it. Plenty of girls decide they want to be veggie for a while when they turn 12, start worrying about animal testing of make-up, etc. most of those I knew at school are full on carnivores again and they gave in over horrid, cheap shit like Big Macs, not a delicious roast or steak. Hmmm, now I want a sandwich, bacon and black pudding I think......

>>6366806

Don't start that shit. We have enough morons on /an/ who insist dogs aren't carnivores

>>6366841

I own several books on how to raise healthy vegetarian or even vegan children from infancy to adulthood. I still don't trust them enough with my future kids health, and this can't be discussed with doctors because they got batshit about vegetarian kids

>>6366566
Y-Yeah, my g-guests
;_;

>>6367257
You kidding? Whenever 'what should I feed my cat/dog' thread pops up, it's all about raw diets.

>>6367267
Jesus christ please don't raise your kids veg. Just wait until they are old enough to decide. Don't fuck with growth.

>>6367282

No, I use /an/ often and we discuss raw and canned. Everyone agrees Purina is crap

I'd probably keep the dishes vegetarian. If my guests can't enjoy a healthy meal that doesn't have a pound of bacon and cheddar in it, I don't want to eat with them.

>>6366783
that's funny as shit

i'm gonna go shoot guns in the air and throw invasive species of snakes out of my car window while speeding, to prove im not one of those fucking hipsters

>>6367282

>Jesus christ please don't raise your kids veg. Just wait until they are old enough to decide. Don't fuck with growth.

or from another perspective, please feed your kids atleast a mainly vegetarian/vegan diet (like the mediterranean diet) so the beginnings of heart disease don't afflict them

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/heart-disease-starts-in-childhood/

"fucking with their growth" is an unrealistic concern, but the number 1 killer of men and women is all too real a threat

>>6366924
>Okonomiyaki

That's a pescetarian dish...

>>6366783
This is stupid as fuck. First, becoming a vegetarian is easy whereas it's virtually impossible to escape the industrial system. Further, eating meat is inherently problematic because it entails hurting/killing an animal, whereas a computer could be produced without exploitation. In the first case the solution is to stop eating meat, in the second case the solution is to change the system of exploitation.

>>6367295
Yes because salmon is so harmful to the body bitch tits

>>6367332

>inherently problematic

Get out. Tumblr is that way. >>

>>6367316
Does it just go over your head that a compromise exists between your ideological perspectives?

Stop relying on your ridiculous
strawman that because someone doesn't exclude meat from their diet must mean they eat it every 3 meals a day.

>>6366678
This depends on the dish. Something that is vegetarian by nature- eggplant parmesan or stuffed portabella wouldn't be noticed because the cheese/butter/egg substitutes aren't as far off as the meat replacements.

The only time I haven't noticed the fact that I'm eating tofu or textured vegetable protein is Jack in the Box tacos.

>>6367355

why so defensive? I said to eat mainly vegetarian/vegan, which apparently you agree with

>>6367345

>one of the most polluted foods on the planet

>>6366566
RE: raising kids vegetarian - my partner is a lifelong vegetarian. 34 years old and never eaten meat or fish! I've always been an omnivore. We eat vegetarian at home and bring vegetarian items to gatherings. My partner is not crazy about his vegetarianism (he won't fuss if someone uses the same grill to make beef burgers and his veggie burgers, doesn't freak out if there's some chicken broth used in cooking, etc.), and he's very good at being gracious and making a good meal out of vegetarian sides. He's pretty healthy (for a programmer...), and I respect his dietary choice and think that having him around makes me more appreciative of meat - and the vegetarian meals we eat most of the time are cheap and mostly healthy, which means when I do buy/eat meat I can really go all-out.

All that being said, if he was a vegan we would not be together. I can't trust someone that gives up butter.

>>6367354
>mommy that guy's ninth grade vocabulary intimidates me!! :(

>>6367571
maybe he just doesn't want to have a conversation with a 9th grader, seeing as this is an 18+ board

>>6367267

Feeding your kids a vegetable every now and then isn't going to hurt them.

Raising them carnist most certainly will.

>being a vegan for anything besides medical reasons

>>6367601
Why would I convert to the religion of veganism for health reasons?

I can see going veggie for such.

>>6367614

veggie, vegan, same degenerate shit

In response to OP's question - I stick to a vegetarian diet 95% of the time or so (easier to digest, cheaper, and I just prefer it really), but yeah I do know how to cook meat dishes too - I used to work as a meat cutter even, have cooked pretty much every common preparation of beef, pork, chicken, duck, turkey, goose, and many of kinds of seafood too. I have nothing against eating meat, but there's so many kinds of delicious food to enjoy that don't involve meat at all that I don't really miss it. That said, the one thing I can't imagine doing without completely is stock - vegetable stock just doesn't cut it for soups and sauces, you absolutely do need collagen for certain applications.

>>6366566
>o no vegetarianism before middle school
wrong, no vegetarianism before college

let their bodies fully develop. Middle school is when puberty starts, and cutting out meat during the prime years of puberty is a fucking stupid idea

>>6366806
>Don't you know how to cook good vegan food
>good vegan food

I only eat meat when I'm with friends.

Let's be honest here, vegetarian/vegan options are going to be shit at restaurants unless you specifically go to a vegetarian/vegan place, but my friends won't want to go there.
So rather than inconvenience them with food that they may not like, we go to a normal place and eat normal food.

(Plus it's nice to have a juicy 20 ounce medium-rare steak every now and then)

Don't.

Just fucking don't.

Let them make their own choices you rancid cunt.

You think a 12 year old who grew up eating meat is going to just not eat meat because his parent is like "BUT EATING ANIMALS IS BAD!!!"?

>>6367646
Meat is just a source of protein mainly.

Taking meat out will leave them with nice lean skinny bodies. Keeping your son nice and femme.

http://gentleworld.org/to-be-a-feminist-is-to-be-a-vegan/

What does /ck/ think about this?

>>6367705
And vitamin b, l caretine, and a few other amino acids that I would misspell

>>6367638
Nope, not at all. Vegetarianism is just eating veggies. Veganism is an ethical stance that affects all aspects of life.

>>6367728
no you're thinking of ethical vegans

most of the vegans I know aren't cunts and only really follow the diet for the protein game you get from the pulses.

>>6367705
Meat is fucking delicious. If I could never eat meat again, I'd just go ahead and end my life right there.

It's not "just a source of protein."

>>6367728

same shit fuck off

>>>>6367743
No, that literally is what veganism is. "Ethical veganism"is a redundant phrase. People who claim to be vegan and don't adhere to the ethics of it are like Christians who deny the existence of Christ. They're literally not doing it right.

Your friends aren't vegan, they're vegetarian. They are just more veggie than lactoovarian or whatever that term is.

>>6367788
I'm pretty sure there's a difference between ethical vegans and dietary vegans

do you require medication?

>>6367798
Veganism is defined by Donald Watson and The Vegan Society.

>Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose.

"Dietary vegan" is a misnomer. Your friends eat a plant based diet, that's all.

>>6366566
No because that would involve buying the meat, which is the part I want to avoid the most. Once it's bought by someone else, eating it isn't so bad.

>>6367798
Be wrong all you want. Misuse the term all you want. You'll still be incorrect.

Here's the test, what in your mind is the difference between strict vegetarianism and veganism if not the ethics? Both eschew meat, meat byproducts, and any animal product (like dairy or eggs),so why two words?

>>6367819
yes, but it's quite common in the english language to take things that take a long time to say, and shorten it into something that takes less time to say

>Hi, I eat a plant based diet.
can be shortened into
>Hi, I'm Vegan
And it's still mostly correct unless you're being autistic about definitions, which change anyway depending on who you're talking to.

>>6366919
Which is irrelevant to the point the comic is trying to make.

>>6366858
well, the difference is there is still debate over whether a vegan diet can be nutritionally complete. giving a kid a bad diet on purpose would be considered abusive.

not that kids who eat nothing but chicken niggers are healthy. but people jump on the seemingly *purposeful* deprivation. suddenly the parent is under intense scrutiny that magically doesn't apply if the kid is fed factory-sweepings-tier meat.

this is just another reason why I won't have kids.

>>6367828
You can shorten vegetarian to a word that doesn't refer to extremists and eco terrorists though.

Look, you and your friends are ignorant, that's fine, but there literally is no middle ground with veganism. They make ELF look reasonable. It's like if you and your friends called yourself ISIS because that was easier to say than ice cream lovers, or the KKK because y'all really like kryspy kreme.

>>6367654
Falafel
Most vegetarian Chinese
Rissoto
Pesto
Stuffed bell peppers
And tons more,I'll readily admit that foods designed to be vegan can be aweful, but foods that happen to be vegan can be delicious

>>6367882
pesto isn't vegan unless you get one without cheese in it

also you forgot hummus/houmous/حُمُّص

>>6367569
That's weird, your partner sounds like me when I get older, I've been vegetarian my whole life, same lax opinion, and I'm in college right now in computer science

>>6367870
>the difference is there is still debate over whether a vegan diet can be nutritionally

Well planned vegan diets are considered nutritionally adequate for all stages of life by dietetics organizations.

>>6367870
In any case, the intensity of fights over veganism makes me think the need for self-defense of one's entrenched lifestyle expresses itself as hysterical PROTECT THE CHILDREN syndrome. Nobody wants to consider the lives animals if they're eating them at every meal, so grasping at straws is gonna happen. The actual potential nutritional deficiency of a vegan diet is irrelevant to many of the people who spout nutrition-based criticisms.

>>6367893
It's pretty universal that you don't give babies a vegan diet.

>>6367893
Well, most parents don't plan their kids diets beyond tomorrow. So the idea of a diet that has to be planned to succeed freaks people out, since they probably didn't think diets needed to be planned at all. As long as you're eating meat, you're fine. Meat is treated as a panacea like that. Which might be true for some of the more obvious deficiencies, I guess. But really to fully live off meat, we'd have to eat the entire animal. Processed chicken product isn't even close.

>>6367903
>not breastfeeding until natural weaning occurs at 2-3 years old

>>6367916
And then it's the mother who can't subsist on a vegan diet to produce that much milk

Also many mothers can't produce for that long.

>>6367880
I assure you, it's possible to extend vegetarianism to cut out dairy and eggs without joining a cult. I mean a lot of people can't eat dairy anyway, so vegan is just vegetarian minus eggs. And honey? If one considers insects to be animals that need protecting.

Personally I think the word merely refers to a diet and doesn't have to involve a life of crusading for the end of all animal products in all industries. You pick your battles.

>>6366790
Last year, i was looking for a job in an IT-company, and naturally, i looked up their website. There were some ridiculous pics of their staff, and one was the picture of the dog of the boss (just that is pretty ridiculous, it feels like bad marketing). The description of the picture was so hilarious: "With X (the name of the poor poor dog) we now are three vegetarians in our company!"

Fuck that. I'm a vegetarian. But i'm not stupid.

>>6367932
..yes you are...

>>6367926
>Also many mothers can't produce for that long

>not letting natural selection take care of the rejects

>>6367903
False. See the American Dietetics Organization.

>>6366566
Op is....not...a faggot. Most interesting. I'm omnivorous but my fiancee is vegetarian. She's literally allergic to meat although she also doesn't like eating things with a face. She has said many times she'd like to learn to try to cook meat for me but it hasn't happened yet. She doesn't force anything on me, but i do eat less meat. I feel pretty good.

>>6367929
Which is strict vegetarianism (or just Vegetarianism), not veganism.

I'm not saying it's impossible to cut out all animal products while not being a vegan, I'm saying that by every non ignorant definition of veganism it takes far more than that to be a vegan. Veganism is an ethical movement, period. Any other understanding is like the Hollywood belief that PETA just doesn't like fur coats and dog fights ignoring things like their founder/most of their leadership literally believes animals have more rights than humans and more than one of them literally wants all humans to die.

You can't coopt this kind of legacy No matter how hard you try. It's like trying to remove the stigma with the swastika, it's just not going to happen Irrespective of what you believe.

>>6367956
I've never heard Ingrid Newkirk say she believes animals should have more rights than humans.

>>6367956
>people who eat differently than I do are like genocidal mass-murderers
Carnism is an amazing ideology

>>6367956
>I'm not saying it's impossible to cut out all animal products while not being a vegan
Yeah, I just don't agree on this definition. I've never heard anyone use the term "strict vegetarianism". I have come to understand veganism as simply not eating animal products. It's a useful distinction on a restaurant menu, for example. Vegetarianism would consume animal milk but vegans would not. What you're describing is beyond even that.

I am confident that when someone says "I'm vegan", they are likely to mean, according to your definition, "I'm a strict vegetarian".

However, vegans are often involved in animals rights organizations by association. But I don't think it's REQUIRED.

>>6367974
a bullshit source, but I'm on my phone at the moment and dupont feel like giving down a real one (feel free to check veracity yourself, I've seen legit sources on many of these)
http://www.bullmarketfrogs.com/2008/02/thursday-thirteen-top-13-most-idiotic-quotes-from-peta-and-ingrid-newkirk/

>>6367978
>here I illogically warp what's said to something that has no actual connection to what was said

>>6367979
What you're describing is a lactovegetarian, not a vegetarian.

>>6367982
>PETA PETA PETA!!!
jesus christ. this is a predictable way to make your own position look reasonable. PETA is indeed hypocritical, that doesn't mean the ideas they claim to be founded on are hypocritical too.

>>6367891
Comp Sci is a great choice, good for you!

If you're anything like my dude, I am glad for the world. There needs to be more chill easy-going respectful vegetarians - cut down on all this knee-jerk (ahem, thread).

>>6367993
I never said their popularly espoused ideas were bad. I agree with a lot of points, but PETA and veganism are much the same. There's this semi reasonable popular face that they use to fund and protect an insane core of extremists.

>>6367990
Nah, I don't think so. In the vernacular here in Murrica, vegetarians just don't eat animal flesh. That's the only firm association there. Milk/eggs/honey etc. aren't excluded by default.

Vegetarian is synonymous with "lacto-ovo-vegetarian". That's why the term vegan is used, if needed.

>>6368003
>PETA and veganism are much the same
You can believe this, but be aware how many people use the term vegan as a simple dietary restriction. You probably see a lot more PETA members than actually exist. Doing the diet is hard enough, only a few people dedicate their entire lives to animal activism (or political stunts that appear to be related to animal activism but really aren't).

>>6368004
Different anon, not where I'm at its not. People are specific as hell about what they eat and why.

I always get a kick out of the vegetarians who spout their opinions about animal cruelty while wearing animal tested cosmetics, wearing leather shoes and carrying that $300 leather purse.

>>6368019
...cute how you cut the bit about reasonable public face to fund and protect extremist insane core, which is exactly what you're describing.

>>6367982
What you said doesn't follow from that list of quotes. At best, you could say PETA believes animals should have the rights of a retarded human child, which would include the right to life and a few other things. No one at PETA believes animals should have the right to vote. When someone says "a dog is a human", they don't literally mean that a dog is a human. They are making a moral equivalence.

>>6368024
If I were a super duper vegan, I'd probably be happy those people were doing *something*. I mean if someone does something that prevents a murder, isn't that good, no matter how superficial the reason for doing so? We're all hypocrites to an extent. Also, I think people who don't want to change at all jump on the apparent hypocrisy of others in order to rationalize their own complete inaction.

>>6368024
They could have had those things before they went vegan.

>>6368030
PETA is more of an exploitation of the ideals for profit than it is the ideal course of action. Also their idea of "exploitation" of animals is more extreme than most vegans would agree with, I bet. You are fixated on this one organization because its hate-ability attracts you.

>>6368064
Except the tenets of veganism are pretty much exactly the same. And I'm not the one fixated on them. I merely mentioned them once then replied to others who decided to go down that track.

That said both follow the same tactics as any cult. Sensible face to the public, popularization of terms in public to normalize their existence, then more and more insane the deeper you go into the organization. If you don't want to talk about PETA, sub in scientology, although they aren't as good at the whole public image thing.

There are same ways to affect change in these areas. There are effective and sane ways to do so. My problem isn't that one takes a moral stance, it's that moral stance being extended to asinine and dangerous lengths, especially while masquerading as something benign or good.

>>6366806
I'm ethically against be served vegan shit.
All vegans should die.

>>6368112
You could label any advocacy group as a cult by those standards. Nobody wants to keep an insensible face to the public. What sense would that make? The term veganism was coined because a term didn't exist for it. PETA is upfront about their beliefs, they don't hide them.

Your biggest problem is that you're unable to think about this issue clearly. For instance, you think that not wanting to unnecessarily kill animals means you are putting them above humans, so even that sensible position seems extremist to you.

>>6367929
> And honey? If one considers insects to be animals that need protecting.
By eating honey we are protecting bees.
Bee keepers only take enough honey that the bees won't need anyway (during winter), they give them a safe home, good food (if it's a farm that houses them they usually take precautions with what they're growing so it won't harm the bees).
There's no reason to stop eating honey, seeing as it doesn't harm the bees and actually protects them since you would obviously take good care of them or lose out on your honey production team.
Please kill yourself.

>>6368452
That's similar to the argument for keeping pets.
The best owners benefit the animal, but poor owners cause suffering. I'm pretty sure some bees are very stressed out by honey-producing practices. Not that I...care about insects that much, but still.

>>6368498
there's also Colony Collapse Disorder, which we are causing and mostly refuse to do anything about.

>>6368504
CCD is a hoax by the same people who think there's a hole in the ozone layer: gullible hippes who can't into science

>>6368505
"scientific" denialists like you look just as dumb as hippies. neonicotinoids are fucking insects up and it's already biting us in the ass.

>>6368515
Bee populations have been rising and falling for as long as bees have existed. The idea that there is some man-made diaster that's killing off bees, and only bees, is something that has only taken root in hippie places where GMOs are banned (hello, europe?)

Check your facts, I'm in my 2nd year studying engineering at FSU. You're a starbucks barista with $80k in debt from an anthropology degree.

>>6368279
No, actually you can't. The core of every advocacy group is not a bunch of nutters.

You're going through the same mental gymnastics that allowed normal Germans to begin roasting jews alive. I'm not even kidding.

>>6368558
It's just pesticides building up in the the plants honeybees use for forage. Obviously, when we create new chemicals designed to kill insects, these kind of things to happen can happen. It's not a conspiracy, it's just carelessness.

I know you are busy worshipping at the altar of progress and have trouble with the idea of a pesticide having a downside.

>>6368718
>No, actually you can't.
Then don't pick an extremely broad set of criteria that could easily apply to anyone.

>>6368718
Also, the founder of the US Animal Rights movement is a Holocaust survivor who would argue that the mental gymnastics people pull to justify unnecessarily killing billions of animals annually is a lot closer to the mindset that led to the holocaust than me pointing out your definition of a cult is retarded and could apply to anyone.

>>6368850
I didn't pick them and literally, no you cannot ascribe the practices and makeup of the likes of the Vegan Society and PETA to most other groups. They are extremists who adhere to extremist acts and tactics.

>>6368868
Those are the criteria I am criticizing.

Unfortunately, your opinion doesn't mean anything if you can't logically back it up with anything other than a weak Hitler appeal.

>>6368863
That holocaust survivor got booted in the head one too many times.

>>6368884
And other people like you were dropped on their head as a baby. It evens out.

>>6368883
>Unfortunately, your opinion doesn't mean anything if you can't logically back it up with anything other than a weak Hitler appeal

explain how the core of the red cross is insane and refers to humans as cancer. Explain how they actively use indoctrination techniques that goebbles used. Or the American Cancer society or ducks unlimited or the make a wish foundation.

Seriously guy, if you don't see mayor issue with how these groups do business, don't see the clear parallels to other extremist groups and cults you're being willfully ignorant.

>>6368863
>I Don't know that PETA kills 90%of the animals that people give them.

>>6368884
top edge

>>6368902
where did he say anything about peta?

>>6366566
yeah, I work at chipotle and grill medium rare steaks and chicken thighs all day. I cook and shred the carnitas and barbacoa too but those are just heated up out of the bag. I eat a lot of double black bean salads, and haven't tasted meat in ~8 years.

>>6368929
*shillpotle

>>6368896
You're writing off the entire animal rights movement based on something Ingrid Newkirk in the past, likely during a time where she felt frustrated and hopeless. Most vegans are regular people who don't want to harm animals, and there's nothing extremist or nutty about that. Words like cult and indoctrination lose their meaning when they're thrown around to discredit anyone who makes you feel uncomfortable.

i grew up cooking meat dishes and was taught how to and went veg on my own accord when i was nineteen for health/gut issues. i do pay attention to animal rights issues, but i can't expect every person i know specially my husband to convert and i was raised to appreciate food and be thankful, so no, i'm not gonna become the preachy vegetarian shit at family dinner.

>>6366858
>implying I'm okay with any of those
I'm just going to teach my child how to control his impulses, how to be patient, and how to hide his power level. Why should I raise my kid to have my correct, infallible opinions?

>>6369113
You're going to impose your ethics and beliefs on your children unless you give them up for adoption, in which case someone else will do it for you. Are you going to feed your child? I hope so. If so, you've already imposed a moral belief on him (whether eating animals is okay or not). If you ever discipline your children for anything at all, you're imposing your beliefs of what constitutes acceptable behaviour on them. When you choose whether to homeschool them or send them to a public school, you're imposing your way of life on them.

My mother's vegetarian (well, pescetarian, technically, but still) but she always cooked meat for us growing up, there was no attempt to bring me or my sister up as vegetarians. She cooks meat a damn sight better than my dad, too. He says he likes well-done meat because it's "easier to chew".

>>6369080
No I'm not. I'm writing off two nutter organizations and idiots who make excuses for them. I've said multiple times that I agree with most of the core values and that there are better ways.

Defending them is like wanting shria law because you think the youth dress too revealingly. There are not crazies working in the same realm, support them. You don't have to go to the opposite extreme and doing so is harmful to the cause (read up on group polarization).

Also, newkirk hasn't changed her stance one bit and the leadership of both is relatively unchanged.

It has nothing to do with comfort but what they actually do and how they actually act. They are cult like and they practice indefensible indoctrination.

>>6369198
I don't believe you when you say you agree with most of their core beliefs, but that doesn't matter. PETA has done good things for animal rights and they get people talking about the issues. They've also done some silly things in the past, but nobody is perfect. There are a lot of armchair activists who think they have a better way of accomplishing the same goals, and a lot of (ironically) indoctrinated whiny crybabies who think telling people what they support when they buy something at the supermarket is indoctrination.

>>6366566
>those fucking hotdogs
It's at that point (probably a bit before actually) where I'd reconsider if having a meat component in the meal is really all that important.