/ck/ - Food & Cooking

didn't this fad blow over like 2 years ago already cus some guy died or something

>>6154237
The only way someone could die is if they went into ketoacidosis, and that's why you eat SOME carbs, not no carbs, and have a carb bomb once a month.
Fuck, you'd have to eat literally 0 carbs for more than a few months for that to happen. The only way I could see that happening is if something literally drank lard for like 3 months +.

Don't forget butter, cheese, sour and normal cream, coconut and olive oils.

A lot of vegetables will be ok, look them up online first to see how they fare for carb/fibre content. Off the top of my head I'd say peppers, cauliflower, cabbage, asparagus, broccoli, cucumber, zucchini and all the leafy greens should all be good for it.

There's meats other than beef you can use - chicken thigh, pork belly, salmon, tuna, etc.

Most people fuck up by not eating enough vegetables.

>>6154237

Your thinking of the HCG diet. It involved injections of a pregnancy hormone and a starvation diet free of both lipids and carbs. You were essentially eating nothing the equivalent of rabbit. I think lettuce, cabbage, an apple, one fat free chicken breast or 4 jumbo shrimp, and grapefruit with sugar free tea were about the only things you could eat on it... once a day.

Anon, look up 'negative calorie' foods. They aren't truly zero calorie but are like green beans in that you aren't going to get fat off them any time soon.

I'll warn it, it'll pull up a bunch of pro-anorexia sites, ignore that.

>>6154285

negative calorie vegetables. My bad.

>>6154229

Also, spices and herbs are always good to use so long as you don't buy mixtures containing a lot of salt or sugar.

Using spices, you can make the same meal a number of ways. I like to keep garam masala, bay leaves, marjoram, chives, allspice, oregano, parsley, cilantro, garlic, flavored sea salts, dill, and a good soup base (Seasoning/dried vegetables) around as staples.

Also, save any bacon or ham/pork fat and add it to your peas while they are cooking. The flavor of pork compliments peas well.

>>6154229
There are many hand-holding guides to ketogenic diets (as they are written for stressed out undereducated parents of refractory epileptic children.) What is wrong with all those easy-to-google resources?

anyone le bacon here lol :D : D :D :D
le eat le manly meat hahahahahahha we strong

>2001+5
>still following fad diets

>>6154335
Fat ass detected.
Here's the food you'll want to eat.
I like how early human eating habits are considered "fad diets." You must be American.

>>6154263

>The only way someone could die is if they went into ketoacidosis

Or have a heart attack http://nutritionfacts.org/video/low-carb-diets-and-coronary-blood-flow/

>>6154346

>keto
>early human eating habits

did you think the flintstones was a documentary or something?

>if you don't eat my dumb fad diet, you eat nothing but sugar!

>>6154379
Do you think humans ate wheat on a daily basis?
No, the agricultural revolution is only happened roughly 10,000 years ago, and homo sapiens have existed for at least 200,000. Most of the human diet consisted of fermented fruits and any meat they could scrounge up.

>>6154390

>humans originally evolve from fruit-eating apes
>develop extra copies of the amylase gene to digest starch and survive largely by eating underground storage tubers
>eventually transitioned to grains, possibly as far back as 100,000 years ago
>massive population explosion ensues
>even today, starchy foods make up the majority of the calories of most hunter gatherer tribes

even if the starch thing never happened, humans sure as hell didn't have any fatty meats to evolve around like the keto diet is based on

>>6154374

Or cardiac arrythmia and heart failure from your body using up all your electrolytes trying to get the ketones out of your blood http://nypost.com/2003/08/24/her-battle-of-bulge-is-fatal-for-teenager-doing-atkins/

>>6154401
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution
Get educated son.
Humans could've eaten starchy foods sooner, yes, but we weren't built for such high carbohydrate diets.
We're made for a mostly fat and meat based diet, with most of our carbs consisting of sugars found in fruits. If you're a nomad and moving from place to place, it doesn't make sense that you'd eat something that takes months to grow and has to stay in one spot.
Use your brain faggot, it's simple logic.
You're just a brainwashed Americunt who's fogging up the McDonalds window with your heavy breathing.

>>6154285
>>6154287
It's notable that the concept of negative calorie vegetables is total bullshit. Even fucking celery gives you some net calories after digestion. (cold non-nutritive stuff like ice water is technically slightly negatively caloric however.)

>>6154410
>it doesn't make sense that you'd eat something that takes months to grow and has to stay in one spot.
>what is foraging

>>6154410
nomadic societies are shit tier though. why would you want their diet?

nomadics didn't build the modern world.

>>6154421
>What is a small patch of wheat that disappears over night?
>What is a water buffalo that will last you a few days?
Obviously there's a reason humans have the gene to digest starch, but you're defending that we need carbs is rediculous. Out of the three sources of calories, carbs are definitely the one you can and SHOULD neglect the most.

>>6154410

those foods existed before the neolithic revolution. humans ate those foods.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2009/12/17/humans-feasting-on-grains-for-at-least-100000-years/

>but we weren't built for such high carbohydrate diets. We're made for a mostly fat and meat based diet

the problem is when you make a theory, it's supposed to be based on science instead of your personal thoughts and feelings. according to organizations that exist to research diet and health and make policies about them for the public, your conclusions are about as backwards as they get. take the world health organization for example

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/diet/en/

>limit energy intake from total fats and shift fat consumption away from saturated fats
>increase consumption of fruits and vegetables, and legumes, whole grains and nuts

or the world cancer research fund

http://www.wcrf.org/int/research-we-fund/cancer-prevention-recommendations/plant-foods

>Eat mostly foods of plant origin.
>Eat relatively unprocessed cereals (grains) and/or pulses (legumes) with every meal

this is the result of using scientific inquiry to determine what foods are ideal for humans.

ironic too that the food you associate with carbs like donuts and mcdonalds are also very high in fat. maybe if you ate some oatmeal you'd get better blood flow to your brain and be able to think more clearly

Kek this is shite. I'm no caveman m8. Welcome to the 21st century cunts.

>>6154287

you sound like my retarded parents, who ironically are also fat

>>6154390

No... but other grains then wheat exist...

Ugh, do you fags have to make even your diet edgy?

>>6154420

He'll find what he's looking for if he uses that term.

>>6154428
No one is saying to drop fruits and vegetables from the diet altogether. I don't know how you keep continuing to strawman this hard.
Yes McDonalds has a lot of fat in their food, but it's not the fat you want, they're saturated fats. It doesn't matter if something has a high fat content either, the main thing you need to be avoiding is carbohydrates. If something is 50% carbs, and 50% fat, just because it's 50% fat doesn't overwrite the fact that it's also 50% carbs.
Did you have brain damage as a child, or is it all the carbohydrates going to your head?

>>6155238

>strawman

how is that a strawman? the keto diet is first and foremost about lots of meats and fats and avoids whole grains, beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, and severely limits fruits. that's about the opposite of what every mainstream organization that gives health advice says to do.

>If something is 50% carbs, and 50% fat, just because it's 50% fat doesn't overwrite the fact that it's also 50% carbs.

nor does the fact that it contains carbohydrates mean that nutella, snickers bars, and cake are representative of all foods that contain carbohydrate, and saying you should avoid barley because cookies are bad for you is as stupid as it gets, and of course a massive strawman too.

also noticed you posting pictures of fatty, sugary foods and referencing diabetes. well I can find studies linking no-carb foods to diabetes

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23779232
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19017774

and high-carb foods to reduced diabetes risk and better glycemic control

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16400060
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25351652

but you'll never find a study saying "whole grain intake associated with increased metabolic syndrome risk" or anything like it. so why focus on refined junk foods when unrefined carb sources are clearly healthy?

>>6154229

So, there's a lot of carbs in your pic, OP. Do you realize this?

>>6155297
the keto diet is first and foremost about lots of meats and fats and avoids whole grains, beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, and severely limits fruits. that's about the opposite of what every mainstream organization that gives health advice says to do.
What is Avocado, asparagus, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, garlic, green beans, mushrooms(I know they're not a fruit or vege, but stick with me) onion, cabbage, kale, peppers, pickles, peas, spinach?
now onto the lentils
What are almonds, brazil nuts, chia seeds, hazel nuts, flax seeds, macadamia nuts, peanuts, pecans, pumpkin seeds, and walnuts?
The reason why we avoid carbohydrates is because without them, your body switches to ketones, when your body does that, it's ALMOST exclusively burning your fat reserves. That isn't to say you can't over consume fat and not get fat, but this method of reducing your BF is about as effective you can get with a diet plan outside of starving yourself. This coupled with some high intensity workouts, and vitamins that boost testosterone, you become the peek physical male.
I haven't started my bulk yet, but since early june until now, I went from 6'1" 195lbs 25% BF to roughly 156lbs ~12-13% BF. Obviously I'm doing something right on my cutting phase before my bulk, or I wouldn't be losing weight this fast. Yes I realize some of that was muscle(I've only been on a ketogenic diet for maybe 2 months, so the muscle loss rather than fat loss was to be expected), it'll all be made back in due time. The point is the diet works when you're doing it.
>and high-carb foods to reduced diabetes risk and better glycemic control
Now I know you're fucking trolling. High carb foods cause your insulin response. If you have carbs when you're a kid, fine, that'll get you used to them early on in life, but to continue on into your adult years to "reduce diabetes" is like drinking water to dehydrate yourself, or asking if there's any married bachelors. Retarded.

>>6155334
I didn't make the pic. The only thing in that picture is probably the orange juice because of the natural sugars. Any of the bread is most likely paleo bread, which has virtually no carbs at all.
It's expensive as shit, but only gives you 1g of net carbs per slice.

>>6155349
Jesus, the paleo tards are even worse than the vegans. That looks awful.

>>6155354
I personally can't afford it, all I was doing was explaining the pic.
The only things on there I can visibly see that aren't ketogenic are the oranges and orange juice. Everything like rice or bread can have a protein and fat based substitute.

>>6155354
Of course it is, at least the majority of vegans understand what is and is not an animal (and avoid eating them, though sometimes they're a little fuzzy on what things are produced from animal byproducts)

The paleo diet is based on totally misunderstanding prehistoric diets, and for some reason finding replicating them desirable in the first place.

>>6155346

>What is Avocado, asparagus, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, garlic, green beans, mushrooms(I know they're not a fruit or vege, but stick with me) onion, cabbage, kale, peppers, pickles, peas, spinach?

foods that you're not eating for their calories and some of which even have to be restricted so you don't go over your carb quota. also gotta love how the presence of vegetables makes people think their whole diet is great

>What are almonds, brazil nuts, chia seeds, hazel nuts, flax seeds, macadamia nuts, peanuts, pecans, pumpkin seeds, and walnuts?

not lentils, but admittedly good foods in quantities of a handful per day. are you on some kind of vegan keto diet?

>The reason why we avoid carbohydrates is because without them, your body switches to ketones, when your body does that, it's ALMOST exclusively burning your fat reserves

now this is where keto logic gets especially nutty (no pun intended). this is how food and calories work: you eat food, your body uses the energy from them and stores what it can of the excess for later use. when your body is in a fasted state, it's using its fat stores to fuel itself. keto people get sneaky with the word "fat" when they talk about this concept, trying to make it sound like your body is "burning fat" as in body fat even when you're eating, when they really mean your body is burning the fat calories you're consuming, which is what would happen if the fat calories were carb calories or protein calories. the difference between keto and normal weight loss is that with carbs, fat is able to be efficiently broken down with little metabolic waste, whereas on keto your body is struggling so hard to deal with the stress that you may lose extra weight through loss of water as your kidneys attempt to rid your blood of all the acetone that's built up, also leeching electrolytes like potassium into your urine. to consider this the default human diet that we're designed to eat is ridiculous.

>>6155346

>Now I know you're fucking trolling. High carb foods cause your insulin response. If you have carbs when you're a kid, fine, that'll get you used to them early on in life, but to continue on into your adult years to "reduce diabetes" is like drinking water to dehydrate yourself, or asking if there's any married bachelors. Retarded.

causing an insulin response does not equate to diabetes. diabetes is a condition of insulin resistance. natural carb-containing foods increase insulin sensitivity.

>to continue on into your adult years to "reduce diabetes" is like drinking water to dehydrate yourself,

reminds me of this MIT article about avoiding carbohydrates http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2004/carbs

>"When you take away the carbohydrates, it's like taking away water from someone hiking in the desert," Wurtman said. "If fat is the only alternative for a no- or low-carb dieter to consume to satiate the cravings, it's like giving a beer to the parched hiker to relieve the thirst -- temporary relief, but ultimately not effective."

if you believe carbs themselves are the cause of diabetes, it's hard to explain why people eating higher carb, lower fat diets tend to have less diabetes, especially when you look at groups like vegetarians and vegans

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/plant-based-diets-and-diabetes/

>>6154229
I make chicken cutlets using almond meal as the breading. Soak the chicken in heavy cream, 1 egg and hotsauce for about 10 minutes then toss in seasoned almond meal and shallow fry in a cast iron pan.

I burnt myself out on eggs doing this diet and now eating something with egg as the dominant flavor makes me gag.

>>6155400
I'm not going to "restrict" my veges or fruits because of a carb quota. Any of the above listed foods were picked specifically because of their low carb %, now you're just straight out lying.
Also, of course I'm not eating things like cabbage or asparagus to get calories, that would be retarded, you eat the foods because you A: like them, and B: they have some vitamins and minerals you need. You'd have to eat more than 300 servings of asparagus to get a full days calories, NO ONE IS SAYING TO DO THAT, strawman harder.
>not lentils, but admittedly good foods in quantities of a handful per day. are you on some kind of vegan keto diet?
No, I was replying to what you just said, do you have short term memory loss?
> the keto diet is first and foremost about lots of meats and fats and avoids whole grains, beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, and severely limits fruits.
>avoids whole grains, beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, and severely limits fruits.
Proving my point. You already know I eat plenty of meats and fats, but you were arguing that I for some reason don't want fruits or veges. Strawman harder.
>Your last paragraph, won't fit, but here
What is a caloric deficit?
Most of the calories in your caloric deficit would be from body fat stores. If you have a 500 caloric deficit daily, that's going to be MOSTLY fat stores burned. Of course the daily fat you eat will also be used, but that's why you need to go into a caloric deficit as well. I addressed this all earlier.
This is like the 7th or 8th point you've missed with your shitposting, and continue to strawman my diet into another dimension. Nowhere in my diet, am I doing what you think I'm doing, lmao.

>>6155409
>causing an insulin response does not equate to diabetes. diabetes is a condition of insulin resistance. natural carb-containing foods increase insulin sensitivity.
Never in my entire years did I say insulin responses cause diabetes. What I was pointing out was the only way to get an insulin response was to consume HIGH CARB DIETS, in which your insulin response becomes fucked, and you can no longer healthily ingest carbs without risks.
This is essentially the same thing as taking too many drugs at one time and fucking your dopamine receptors. Same concept, different part of the body.
>if you believe carbs themselves are the cause of diabetes, it's hard to explain why people eating higher carb, lower fat diets tend to have less diabetes, especially when you look at groups like vegetarians and vegans
Yes, a large influx of carbohydrates are the only way I'm aware of giving yourself type 2 diabetes.

>>6155349

The orange juice, the orange, possibly the bread, is that corn?

>>6155437

Sausage often has carby fillers, looks like rice there too.

>>6155429
>you were arguing that I for some reason don't want fruits or veges

Not that guy, but I've been following this and he never said you don't eat vegetables. You made that up.

>>6155437
Palio bread and I don't think that's corn, looks like cubed fruit.
Already said oranges and orange juice.
>>6155439
Probably soy rice, which has virtually no carbs.
>Sausage often has carby fillers
>often
Not always, that pic was supposed to be ketogenic for a reason, I doubt they have carbs.
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Before anyone wants to shitpost more, anything you're about to nitpick and shit post, google the substitutes for the food, they're probably protein and fat based.

>>6155453
>the keto diet is first and foremost about lots of meats and fats and avoids whole grains, beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, and severely limits fruits.
>avoids whole grains, beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, and severely limits
Sweet potatoes vegetable
Beans and lentils are vegetables
He may not have chosen his words correctly, but by saying I limit things like those, he was saying I don't eat enough vegetables.

>>6155478
>He may not have chosen his words correctly

No, he chose them correctly, and you decided that his specific list of three vegetables corresponds to all vegetables. You're backpedaling really hard and it's kind of pathetic.

>>6155429

>Also, of course I'm not eating things like cabbage or asparagus to get calories, that would be retarded

wouldn't it be amazing if you could also get your calories from foods that are considered as healthy or healthier than fruits and veggies? if you don't follow dumb fad diets, you can

http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid/4184/

>Proving my point. You already know I eat plenty of meats and fats, but you were arguing that I for some reason don't want fruits or veges.

where did I say that? don't claim strawman if you're going to use strawmen in all of your posts. the heart of keto is meats and fats, which is also what you consider the original and ideal human diet. my point is that the presence of vegetables doesn't change that any more than eating vegetables alongside a diet of soda and ice cream doesn't take away from the fact that the basic diet is still built around junk. and of course you do, by definition, have to severely restrict your fruit intake, as well as whole grains, legumes, and sweet potatoes

> If you have a 500 caloric deficit daily, that's going to be MOSTLY fat stores burned.

of course, but that has nothing at all to do with keto. you can have a caloric deficit while eating carbohydrates. this is the logic that convinced you to start eating keto?

> What I was pointing out was the only way to get an insulin response was to consume HIGH CARB DIETS

which would also be a lie, and that would be pretty ridiculous when you're also trying to argue that your diet is the diet humans evolved to eat. if the diet didn't allow insulin to be secreted, you'd be dead pretty quickly. saying again, diabetes is a condition of insulin resistance. when your insulin action is impaired, you're susceptible to diabetes, and meats and fats can contribute to insulin resistance. notice china's newfound diabetes epidemic with increasing pork consumption. rice isn't a recent phenomenon in china, but diabetes is

>>6155492
>No, he chose them correctly, and you decided that his specific list of three vegetables corresponds to all vegetables. You're backpedaling really hard and it's kind of pathetic.
No those were the things I was refuting from the beginning, are you retarded? Just look at my list of foods.
>Avocado, asparagus, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, garlic, green beans, mushrooms(I know they're not a fruit or vege, but stick with me) onion, cabbage, kale, peppers, pickles, peas, spinach
>green beans, onion, peas, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, garlic
Half these things were vegetables, lmfao.
This is now a troll thread I guess.
>wouldn't it be amazing if you could also get your calories from foods that are considered as healthy or healthier than fruits and veggies? if you don't follow dumb fad diets, you can
So you don't eat cabage or asparagus? Seems restrictive dude. I clearly said I ate them because I like the taste and their nutrition value, not their calories.>>6155429
>>6155429
>>6155429
Third line down
>, you eat the foods because you A: like them, and B: they have some vitamins and minerals you need.
You're just losing the arguments all over the place. This has to be some kind of troll, you're blatantly ignoring all of what I'm saying and strawmaning me to death. You must be some kind of fat ass and jealous that people are losing fat or some shit.
Stay mad.
Stop shitposting and thumb through my responses before you repeat yourself for the 4th or 5th time.

>>6155516

>the average ketofag losing an argument

>>6155516

>So you don't eat cabage or asparagus?

Been watching the thread. You say strawman in every post, but it seems like every point you try to make is a strawman. Is this what they call trolling?

>>6155494
Refer to his words
>>6155494
>wouldn't it be amazing if you could also get your calories from foods that are considered as healthy or healthier than fruits and veggies? if you don't follow dumb fad diets, you can
This heavily implies he eats other foods and ignores cabbage and asparagus. If you can't see that, you must have extreme autism.
>>6155521
Great rebuttal new friend :^)

>>6155533

>This heavily implies he eats other foods and ignores cabbage and asparagus

It heavily implies that he eats other foods. The words "if you could also" implies that those other foods would be eaten alongside things like cabbage and asparagus. In other words, "if you could eat cabbage and asparagus for their nutrients, but also obtain the bulk of your calories from foods that are similarly healthy"

>>6155539
>It heavily implies that he eats other foods. The words "if you could also" implies that those other foods would be eaten alongside things like cabbage and asparagus
If you took them out of context by cutting the sentence short, yes it could.
Read the rest of that sentence.
>wouldn't it be amazing if you could also get your calories from foods that are considered as healthy or healthier than fruits and veggies?
That means also as in together, not also as in cabbage, asparagus, and other foods. What he's saying is wouldn't it be nice to eat foods with the nutrients AND calories, not just the nutrients.
Context matters.
>What is a 5th grade reading comprehension.

The fact that people get fat enough in the first place that they need some extreme diet to get into a healthy weight really boggles my mind. I eat a carb heavy diet, probably something like 60/20/20 (carb, fat, protein) and I've never been fat in my life, I can't even stomach enough throughout the day to begin to get into an unhealthy weight. It has to be something you're born into like your parents keep stuffing your face and then you get used to the shitty feeling of being so extremely bloated which allows you to eat big enough portions to get fat, I just don't see how you could get fat otherwise.

>>6155549

Now that's some stretching.

>What he's saying is wouldn't it be nice to eat foods with the nutrients AND calories, not just the nutrients.

Or what I said, "wouldn't it be nice to also be able to get the calories you need to live from foods with similar health promoting qualities." If you take the people of Okinawa for example, famous for their long lifespans, they eat a lot of green and yellow vegetables but they also eat starchy purple sweet potatoes for 69% of their total caloric intake, with most of the rest of their calories coming from grains and beans. All of these foods are well studied and known to promote health. Wouldn't it be sensible to eat them? This post from earlier is still relevant >>6154428

>>6155554
>i don't know how people get fat because i'm not fat

what a self-absorbed useless post

i thank you for it

>>6155554

>I eat a carb heavy diet, probably something like 60/20/20 (carb, fat, protein) and I've never been fat in my life

but in THEORY you SHOULD be! that's what counts!

checkmate, high carbers!

>>6155554
>The fact that people get fat enough in the first place that they need some extreme diet to get into a healthy weight really boggles my mind.
I actually lost the bulk of my weight on just a caloric deficit and nothing special.
Refer to my old post>>6155346
>>6155346
>>6155346
>>6155346
> I went from 6'1" 195lbs 25% BF to roughly 156lbs ~12-13% BF. Obviously I'm doing something right on my cutting phase before my bulk, or I wouldn't be losing weight this fast. Yes I realize some of that was muscle(I've only been on a ketogenic diet for maybe 2 months, so the muscle loss rather than fat loss was to be expected), it'll all be made back in due time.
The first 30lbs from 195 to 165 were just from not stuffing my face all the time, and a good deal of stress.
The last 9lbs from 165 to 156 recently were from a ketogenic diet.
Also this isn't some "Extreme diet", it's sound like you're putting me on par with anorexic people. I'm just merely trying to minimize my muscle loss and maximize my fat loss until I reach 8% BF and start my bulk to a godlike body.
> probably something like 60/20/20 (carb, fat, protein) and I've never been fat in my life
Yes, one person who eats carbs and is skinny totally rebuttals everything. Also, you can still be skinny and eat carbs because of a caloric deficit, no one is saying you can't. What I'm saying is I just want to minimize muscle loss during my cutting period, nothing more. You guys have a real bad habit of reading between the lines or just making up invisible arguments.
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Can we please get back to topic of what ketogenic foods and recipes people recommend? Everyone seems so damned butthurt I'm not just guzzling carbs down my food hole.

>>6155578

>Also this isn't some "Extreme diet", it's sound like you're putting me on par with anorexic people

Any diet that causes acetone to spill out of your lungs is extreme in my book.

>>6155584
Any diet that causes acetone to spill out of your lungs is extreme in my book.
Lol what?

>>6155594

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Is-Your-Low-Carb-Diet-Giving-You-Bad-Breath.htm

>>6154229
Carbs are love, carbs are life.

The only people who get fat from eating carbs are sedentary couch potatoes. Kenyan marathoners eat almost all carbs and they thin as fuk.

>>6155601
Well I have had bad breath, even after brushing, so I knew about that, but not the acetone part. Thanks for that. Although I would say that if it is acetone secreting into my lungs, it'll evaporate as acetone usually does, and most likely in a very small quantity.
As someone who does directed research in a chem lab, I know if it was a fuck ton of acetone, I'd pass out, it's most likely a small negligible amount.
>The only people who get fat from eating carbs are sedentary couch potatoes. Kenyan marathoners eat almost all carbs and they thin as fuk.
What is a caloric deficit?
It's not hard to be thin eating nothing but carbs when you're only eating 1500 kcals a day son.

>>6154229
what's so hard with eating a balanced number of calories, mainly vegetables. eating lean protein and having just a few complex carbs?

>>6155637
You basically just explained my diet, except for the lean protein, I mostly consume fatty protein sources like bacon or beef.

>>6155565
It's like you guys are ignoring my whole reason for being on this diet. I've said it at least 3-4 times this thread. No where have I ever said carbs are unhealthy. The whole, and I'll repeat myself this one last time, is too MAXIMIZE FAT LOSS and MINIMIZE MUSCLE LOSS, this is exponentially easier when you consume roughly 5% OF YOUR CALORIES IN CARBS. I capitalized the most important parts of the diet.

>>6155578
>Yes, one person who eats carbs and is skinny totally rebuttals everything

But it's not just one person. Most people who eat carb heavy diets are a healthy weight rather than overweight.

>>6155674

>No where have I ever said carbs are unhealthy.

"We aren't built for high carbohydrate diets" and the constant posting of donuts and diabetes talk kind of gave that impression, but we can ignore that because this is more interesting:

>The whole, and I'll repeat myself this one last time, is too MAXIMIZE FAT LOSS and MINIMIZE MUSCLE LOSS

When I read your posts, these are the lines that confuse me and make it hard to see where you're coming from

>The reason why we avoid carbohydrates is because without them, your body switches to ketones, when your body does that, it's ALMOST exclusively burning your fat reserves
>That isn't to say you can't over consume fat and not get fat
> If you have a 500 caloric deficit daily, that's going to be MOSTLY fat stores burned. Of course the daily fat you eat will also be used, but that's why you need to go into a caloric deficit as well.
>you can still be skinny and eat carbs because of a caloric deficit, no one is saying you can't.

So if you acknowledge that a caloric deficit is what allows weight loss whether you're eating carbs or fat, what's all this keto business about?

>>6155699
His argument, not mine.
> I eat a carb heavy diet, probably something like 60/20/20 (carb, fat, protein) and I've never been fat in my life
Talk to him about it, not me. He made the argument that since one person is thin on a carb diet, my diet must be not be healthy, not me.
>>6155702
I just posted my favorite carb foods for when I do my monthly carb bomb. I love doughnuts and lemon bars. I'm not going to say pic unrelated every post.
>So if you acknowledge that a caloric deficit is what allows weight loss whether you're eating carbs or fat, what's all this keto business about?
Key word, weight loss, not fat loss. On a keto diet, you'll lose fat, but you may gain muscle. A caloric deficit is going to be the only thing that is going to make someone lose weight. You really did ignore my words even after you green text them....
>The whole, and I'll repeat myself this one last time, is too MAXIMIZE FAT LOSS and MINIMIZE MUSCLE LOSS
Are you seriously not getting this? What part are you not getting? I'm trying to help you understand me. All I'm trying to do is get down to 8% BF before my bulk, and I could drop WEIGHT with a carby diet, but if I did that, I would have to drop a lot more weight because the weight I would lose would also be muscle as well as fat. Refer to the green text, MINIMIZE MUSCLE LOSS, MAXIMIZE FAT LOSS.
Seriously, do you STILL not understand this?
Please tell me you do, this is getting pathetic.

>>6154410
>If you're a nomad and moving from place to place, it doesn't make sense that you'd eat something that takes months to grow and has to stay in one spot.

The sheer amount of nomadic herbivores should be a clear indicator that your logic is awful and that you should kill yourself.

>>6154426
>>What is a small patch of wheat that disappears over night?
>>What is a water buffalo that will last you a few days?

You can actually get relatively large patches of wild rice, emmer, or spelt. Definitely enough to last you a few days. Berries are enough to last bears for days, and mushrooms are during certain parts of the year very plentiful and nutritious. Roots are also common, can be found pretty much anywhere and contain a lot of energy.

Water Buffalos were also relatively rare. Many of the animals that would provide significant amounts of meat, I.E: Elephants, Mammoths, Moose, Bears were considerably more dangerous to hunt.

>>6154229
http://www.atkinsexposed.org/
Are you guys trying to lose weight or something?

>>6155717

>Key word, weight loss, not fat loss. On a keto diet, you'll lose fat, but you may gain muscle

That's some magic diet you got there. One potential issue I see with that is the fact that whether you eat low, moderate, or high carb, your body and brain require glucose. Much of your protein then is going to be converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis, making it quite hard to build muscle. Lifting also helps to retain muscle while losing weight, I don't see why you'd think the addition of carbohydrates would whittle away your muscle mass. If anything, it'd improve it, sparing the protein to be used for muscle maintenance and keeping your muscled supplied with glycogen.

Let's keep calm, my friend

>>6155749
> glucose
What is a ketone?
K I'm done with you.

>>6155782

Ketones can't do everything, you still need glucose whether you eat it or not. If you didn't have some level of blood glucose, you would be dead. To avoid death, your body can take protein and convert it to glucose.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hrdRROeCI9IC&pg=PA261#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>6155797
>To avoid death, your body can take protein and convert it to glucose.

>>6155802

Yes, that's what I said. To make up for only 5% of energy in the diet coming from carbohydrate, your body then takes dietary protein and uses the amino acids to form more glucose in order to provide fuel for the many processes that require glucose. Also pretty funny the way the medical textbook describes ketosis.

>When a person has uncontrolled diabetes or is starving, ketone bodies help provide emergency energy to all body tissues
>If this removal process cannot keep up with the production process, ketone bodies accumulate in the blood-- a condition called ketosis

I mean what about that sounds like an ideal metabolic state? It's like giving yourself AIDS and claiming it's for maximum weight loss

>>6155820
>YOU NEED MORE PROTEIN!
Protein 20% of diet
faggot