/ck/ - Food & Cooking

1. Eat vegetables.
2. Don't eat meat.

Congratulations! You are now a vegetarian!

When I am in the mood for a new vegetarian meal I often start with http://www.101cookbooks.com/..

See if you like her style of cooking? If not she has other good blgs in her blog roll, try to find one you like...

>>5660637
Thank you.

>>5660616
The best guide is called 100000 years of evolution.
Verdicts in, humans eat meat.
You're welcome.

>>5660669

>>5660691
That's right boys, evolution is just your opinion. Who let all these puffed-up "scientists" tell us what's what by observing reproducible phenomena and collecting empirical data?

>>5660733

>>5660616

"Vegetarian" does not mean "healthy".

A bunch of my group went veggie about (years) ago. (Many of us have since flipped back to omni.)

Mostly, we ate pasta & french fries. Ovo-Lacto was the norm at the time, so eggs & cheese were definitely in.

The people who were doing it with a focus on longer life, better for the planet and themselves, they mostly eat beans and fresh produce, and are often hungry - not sure if the calorie restriction is due to finance (they be poor), general scarcity of planet-friendly food, or whatnot.

I'm now back to being perfectly content eating animals raised on antibiotics.

>>5660795
calorie restriction is healthy though (assuming proper intake of nutrients)

I used to be vegetarian for 5 years
the start was easy as fuck
>cut most red meats
>cut fish out
>cut all meat out and eat veggies
>buy lots of nuts

As >>5660795 said just because you're vegetarian doesn't mean you're suddenly healthy.
I honestly ate like shit after the first two years. I was lacking in protein, but didn't really give a fuck. Cheese and chips every fucking day mate. I'm now back to eating meat, and I probably eat better and healthier now than I did as a vegetarian.

If you still really want to do it I would suggest learning to cook with tofu, eggs (if lacto ovo), nuts, lentils and rice. Of course you still need spices and shit. Indian food is great if you can find the ingredients they use at the store. If you're doing vegetarianism more for health reasons I would suggest first becoming pescitarian and exercising more.

>>5660814
I just don't see the draw.
My diet consists of steamed vegetables, leafy greens and grilled/steamed chicken/fish.
Why would anyone ever cut meat out completely?

>>5660733
>dat argument from authority
>empiricism
>ignoring the Word of God

>>5660819
your diet is pretty healthy
i figure mostly replacing meat with beans/legumes/nuts etc. is cuz of "poor animals ;_;" or for environmental reasons

im even a vegetarian and everything

I don't have a specific guide, but I've been a vegetarian for almost 6 years now.
Indian food is great.
Tofu is amazing since it absorbs lots of flavor.
Beans and dairy are tasty and healthy. Also vegetables.

>>5660819
I dunno man I kind of regret my last 3 years as I ate like shit and stopped exercising. The first reason I had for becoming vegetarian was I thought it could live a much healthier lifestyle. Then after a while I was just kinda like might as well stick with it because people doubted I would be able to continue living like that. I think most people who do it now are just more for 'muh animals'

You've got a pretty good diet man, but most people eat like shit. I know a few people I've met asked if vegetarianism was a good way for weight loss. I basically explained if you still eat like shit as one then whats the point

>>5660819
My diet is this but adding in fruits, nuts/seeds, bread, pork, and lamb. Rare amounts of beef, once a month at best.

Here you go:
http://www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals/

There's also:
www.chooseveg.com
www.vegankit.com

(I know you said vegetarian but you can still use those recipes and it's just as easy, and tasty.)

>>5660844
>"poor animals ;_;"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=THIODWTqx5E

>>5661006
I'm a vegetarian and don't give a fuck about animals, problem m8?

>>5660872
>'muh animals'

Seriously what is up with all these dumb pieces of shit trying to mock people for not being 100% self-centered?
Like, "Wow, you care about someone suffering for trivial desires so you stop funding it, how ridiculous! Muh extreme suffering. Muh saving the environment. Muh caring about anything."

>>5661016
Yeah you're a fucking pathetic piece of shit m8.

>>5660616
Look up Fully Raw Kristina. She will make your eyes change color from eating her diet!

>>5661036
>someone suffering
animals arent a "someone"

>>5661036
i care about eating delicious organisms. plants suffer too, anon. just because they aren't sentient doesn't mean you are self-centered for putting your needs above theirs.

>>5661043
>>5661044

>>5661049
>cant refute, better post a reaction gif

>>5661053
Would there be any reason for someone to refute those comments?

First comment, pretty sure no one gives a fuck. Second comment, Christ, even if I were to take it seriously I wouldn't even get into it because animal agriculture requires way more crops and way more environmental destruction.

I like to assume people like this are trolling to keep my stress levels down.

>>5661070
yeah and i like to think retards that refer to animals as a "someone" are trolling but I know im just lying to myself

>>5661072
>im just lying to myself
As usual, huh?

>>5661073
nice fallacy m8

>>5661075
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/9

>>5661077
switch that topic baby!

>>5661072
obviously not the anon with reaction gifs, but i am curious as to what criteria you have for regarding an object as "someone".

is it self-awareness? humans are the only species (that we know of) that has the notion of a self, true, but would the statement "this statement is false" not also be self-aware? if not, why not? it certainly offers a description of itself, something which some humans are incapable of. should we humans not eat paradoxes?

is it the capacity for pain? i don't think it could be argued that paradoxes feel pain, but animals absolutely express avoidance behavior to painful stimuli—as they well should, eons of evolution having done its job. some humans born with a congenital defect in their nervous system do not have the physical capacity to experience pain, should we eat them instead?

is it intelligence? if so, i would argue that this is a highly anthropocentric argument and probably invalid. what makes the human's brand of intelligence superior to that of an ape, or fish? creation, destruction? arthur c. clarke seemed to think the first human emotion was envy, do we only wish to eat creatures who don't know envy? if so, that's a little strange.

i'm not trying to be a philosophy101 douchebag (though this may come across that way), but i'm really curious as to why you would call a person "a retard" for using the concept of "someone" to include species other than human. this is not an exercise in rhetoric, i'm genuinely hoping for a well-thought out reply in return.

>>5661176
call me crazy but for me to call something a someone they have to be human

>>5660616
>oh look it's the vegan with her everyone is going vegetarian propaganda again
>never seen this attempt before

>>5660616
How to the HEALTHIEST poops EVER that will clog toilet before you even paper.

you might not agree with everything said, or do things the way that I do.
this is the way I do things. to each their own.

Joe Rogan mentions poop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmPSBRu6wg

I don't eat fish meat chicken milk animal products and I eat max fruits and vegetables all day+ drink alot water.no soda.
I get all protein from hemp beans quinoa, nuts seeds
I don't drink almond milk. I eat almonds + drink water

no eat processed foods, like bread.
I eat oats and whole grain wheat and other grains, cooked into porridge.

I buy all fruits veggies nuts seeds beans lentils grains bulk whenever I can find them at good price opportunistically, even better when find a great deal on organic version or "food" like babushka used to call it.

I chew all my food until totally obliterated in my mouth. no pieces of corn show up in toilet. better surface area = better absorption into body.

I chop up all stuff and prepare in pieces, put into bags and press the air out, then put into another bag and press the air out again then freeze it all.

you can wash bags out and reuse again if you want.


I buy chia+ flax seeds whole and put them in the coffee grinder at home, two teaspoons of each mixed into a big glass 50% prune juice 50% water. I drink this in the morning every other day. (1 day break in between)

I internet search: what food contains this vitamin, and do that for every vit and mineral until I have all accounted for.

every morning I do ten crunches. not alot but does alot for stomach.

when I need to poo I stand on toilet seat carefully, kneel down into squatting position hugging knees against stomach while leaning forward a little, using one arm to grab hold of wall or other useful object next to toilet.

careful to not push too hard and develop hemorrhoids, I use my stomach to push, not head or butt.

I am Not a doctor. Ask your doctor before doing anything.

>>5661227

what the fuck is going on in that image

>>5661214
okay, so the real question for me is "why?". what separates humans from the rest of the animals? what about being human makes it absolutely taboo to eat a fellow person? what are the moral implications of human-ism?

>>5660616
Eat vegetarian meals with complete proteins. I know rice and beans is one of them, and soybeans and I think squash?

>>5661263
maybe if you gave it a good read you wouldn't be asking silly questions anon?

>>5661227
I can imagine unfortunate days falling off the toilet in the middle of shitting

>>5661227
he wouldnt be having such a hard time blending if he put some fucking fluid into it

>>5661227
This has to be a parody.

>>5661600
nope. its serious.

>>5661637
why does it look like it was made by a child in the 80s?

>>5661642
you don't get it do you?
>80's
>terminator
>time travel
>except its not terminator its unhealthy eating systems gone crazy
>we are the resistance

>>5661006
>factory farms do this
>some factory farms do this
>eating meat is now evil feel bad

>>5661036
It's not about caring, it's about self-righteous faggots who think "look at me, I'm special because *insertcause*, now everyone needs to live my lifestyle or you're evil, and are raping women and children with your words." Just because plants can't scream out and move when you cut them from their roots, dry them under a lamp until they are but crisps doesn't mean you're any better. Killing is part of life, get over it, I don't agree with the factory farm and abusive shit, and that's why I buy free range, and I'm able to buy free range because I worked my ass off

>>5661662
just a random anon here, but if you check our dr.gregors videos on nutritionfacts channel on youtube there are a huge amount of videos saying why meat and fish, animal products are really unhealthy etc.

>>5661681
The debate of healthy and unhealthy will be waged a millennium and quite frankly I don't care. I enjoy the tradition held behind cooking and I enjoy eating, so, if I die at 70, I won't complain, not to mention the oldest living person smoked for literally 100 years so I won't be relying on any new scientific studies to prove anything, especially when I can cook tradition cuisine that has gotten our race up to this point

>>5661002
Thank you very much!
>>5660868
So, far I'm downloading some Indian and vegeitarian cookbooks off the internet. Hopefully, I can make some shopping lists from these and get a menu going.
>>5660819
How do you steam chicken/fish?
>>5661042
Is that a good thing, LOL!? (also, could be pron?)
>>5661227
That infographic has a horrible layout, but I think it's probably got useful info in there. Also, this isn't a personal judgment, but you sound kind of obsessed with poops. I mean, that's cool an all, but I doubt a lot of other people share your "enthusiasm".

>>5660844
>>5660868
>>5660875
>>5661002
>>5661042
>>5661227
>>5661600
>>5661637

I'm going to go check www.chooseveg.com
and www.vegankit.com right now.

1.) Can I download shopping lists with accompanying menus from somewhere?
2.) Is choosing to eat vegetarian more expensive?
3.) What do you guys do for breakfast? I used to do oatmeal with chopped nuts or strawberries with cinnamon/sugar. However I noticed that I would get hungry again shortly after the meal. Not the same when I have eggs and spinach on toast. Any good breakfast tips?

>>5660819

>Why would anyone ever cut meat out completely?

Because they don't want the myriad of diseases associated with it

>>5660844

>i figure mostly replacing meat with beans/legumes/nuts etc. is cuz of "poor animals ;_;" or for environmental reasons

It's mostly because those are two of the healthiest food groups

>>5662238
So I just checked the following suggestions from this thread. These are my opinions and they are not necessarily what you would think:
>>Fully Raw Kristina
Sadly, not pron. Also a little bit annoying. New aged Latina wearing a ridiculous amount of hippy bracelets sharing her personal life stories which are neither interesting, nor useful. She is knda cute/hot though.
>>http://existentialcomics.com/comic/9
Pretty funny. Sad ending....
>>www.chooseveg.com
Pretty useless. Lots of big colorful pictures, short on information that can be practically implemented.
>>www.vegankit.com
Only clicked the "food" link. Seems to me the most useful and practical so far, however still no menus coupled with shopping lists.

Thank you everyone for sharing these links with me. Hopefully everyone here can explore resources they maybe didn't know about previously.

>>5661227

Here's the original version of that pic, OP, so you can see what it's supposed to be saying. There's some examples of grain and bean dishes (oatmeal, whole grain bread, whole grain pasta, quinoa or barley salad, split pea soup, black bean chili, hummus, lentils and herbs) to give you an idea of what to eat. Once you get a grip on what you have to work with, you can put together your own meals

>>5662281
Thank you.

Also, does anyone have tips on how to cook dry beans from the store?

I buy dried beans from the store and try to cook them in a soup. No matter if I soak them the night before, or boil the beans first, they are always hard/crunchy/and under cooked in the soup.

I added sodium bicarbonate one time, out of desperation, the beans turned out great but I noticed the broth I cooked them became very dark almost black.

Can anyone help me with the dried beans? Is this just the way it goes when using dried beans?

Thanks.

>>5662372

What kind of beans you cooking? I usually go with black beans and chickpeas, and in my experience you need to bring them to a definite boil for a few minutes at the start, then lower the heat but still have it bubbling. If the water is just plain hot, it's going to take forever to cook

This won't help you figure out what to eat, but you should check out this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DCjwIVJmMw

>>5661353
The definition is what separates its. I never said anything about the other shit you mentioned just that the only thing that should be refereed to as a someone is a human

>>5662394
I usually get the "15 bean" package.
Do you beans come out tender doing this? How long do you boil for?
If making soup, after you reduce the boil, do you just dump in the rest of your ingredients or do you drain and rinse the beans?

Thanks for the beanformation.

>>5662623
did you consider the fact your beans are coming out undercooked because you are trying to cook 15 different kinds at once?

>>5662626
No.
Why would the same quantity of lentils cook to a different tenderness, then an equal amount of variety beans?

Also, are you speculating out loud or trying to ask me a question to guide me to a fact you already know?

>>5662372
>are always hard/crunchy

You're under-cooking them. Just cook them longer. Keep simmering until they are tender.

In my experience it normally takes about 1 hour in a pressure cooker or about 3 hours on the stove in an open pot.

>>5662639
>Why would the same quantity of lentils cook to a different tenderness, then an equal amount of variety beans?

Different beans have different cooking times. Lentils cook quite fast. Pinto beans can take a very long time.

That being said, I just posted >>5662650. There's nothing magical about this, just keep cooking until the beans are tender. The amount of time this takes will vary depending on how fresh the beans are, how long you soaked them for, and so on.

I often buy that "15 bean mix". I soak overnight then go either an hour in the pressure cooker or 3 hrs in an open pot. The lentils are usually overcooked if you wanted to be strict about it, but that's par for the course with a mix of different beans.
When I make Mexican-style Charro beans, I start those from dry (no soaking) that that has taken anywhere from 5 to 6 hours. Just keep checking on them and simmer until they're done.

>>5662650
>3 hours on the stove in an open pot.
Sheeet. I had no idea it would take hours on the stove to cook the beans.

Kind of makes me reevaluate the utility of dried beans. But I guess you can't have cheap, good, and convenient, huh?

>>5662659
Thanks!!!
In your experience, are dried lentils the quickest cook time?

>>5662520
and i'm trying to get to the root of what is retarded about calling something other than human a "someone". you started this semantic shitshow because you dismissed it out of hand. since this is an issue of definition, i'm using philosophy to get at the root of it.

an old dead white guy once claimed that there were two types of relationships in the world: "subject-object" (i-it) and "subject-subject" (i-thou). the difference is that the object relationship doesn't account for the needs, desires and fears of the recipient (the object, in this case, could be a fellow human/"someone").

the i+thou relationship takes into account the perspective of the "other" (which could be a human, animal, plant, etc) and so recognizes the sanctity of independence for both entities. basically, do unto others (including animals!) as you would have them do unto you.

i have no problem with the humane farming and slaughter of animals (which accounts for a negligible portion in the USA), but surely you can't deny the cattle's ability to experience fear, pain, unhappiness and even anger in this cruel environment.

>>5662669

I haven't tried to cook every legume/bean/pulse in existence, but in my experience lentils and split peas are among the fastest cooking of the dried "beans".

>>5662682
>and i'm trying to get to the root of what is retarded about calling something other than human a "someone"

Philosphy has nothing to do with it. It's about the common useage of the word "someone". Words that end in -one, such as "someone" or "anyone" are commonly accepted to refer to human beings. A dog or a chair is not "someone". It's a grammatical mistake to use those terms to apply to something that's not human being.

>>5662623

My beans come out tender, with the black beans taking around 30-40 minutes and chickpeas taking between 40 and 60 minutes. Lentils take around 20 minutes in my experience. Like other people said though, different beans have different cooking times. I find those 15-bean bag mixes are great for slow-cooker recipes, but they're probably not ideal for how you're trying to cook them.

To make a soup, if I was making it with black beans for example, I would first add the beans and cook them about 10-15 minutes to soften them up, then add in the veggies and let it continue simmering until the beans are done. If you add barley, add that in at the start with the beans. Split peas are also awesome for soups to make them thicker while adding extra nutrition and flavor. They cook quicker than most beans and then kind of dissolve into the broth

>>5662718
How are you cooking these beans in 10-15 minutes or 40-60 minutes, and yet the other poster is boiling them for three hours before they are ready?

Am I missing something?

>>5662727

They aren't cooking in 10-15 minutes, I said to start them off 10-15 minutes before you add in the vegetables since they take longer. The final cooking time will be around 40 minutes. I don't know what that guy's doing where it's taking him 3 hours to cook his beans, but he's doing it wrong. Probably using too low of a temperature

>>5662709
if it's a matter of grammar alone, this should be easy. "someone", "anyone", et alia all use the english pronoun "one" as a suffix. so what exactly does the pronoun "one" mean?

———————————————————
one (possessive one’s, plural ones)

(impersonal pronoun) One thing (among a group of others); one member of a group.
"The big one looks good. I want the green one. A good driver is one who drives carefully."

(impersonal pronoun, sometimes with "the") The first mentioned of two things or people, as opposed to the other.
"She offered him an apple and an orange; he took one and left the other."

(pronoun) Any person, entity or thing.
"driver", noun: one who drives.
———————————————————
it's pretty clear that the ambiguity of the pronoun can allow for other living entities, such as a dog, or even inanimate objects, like an apple or a chair.

if we take a step back and say "well yeah, 'one' does mean this, but when someone says 'someone', they usually mean a human", i'd agree. remember, however, that your thesis is that "it is retarded to call an animal 'someone'" whereas mine was "it is not retarded (unfounded)."

>>5662727

"three hour guy" here, for lack of a better term.

Perhaps I wasn't clear: I cook the 15-bean mix for three hours because that's what it takes to cook the larger tougher beans in the mix to the texture that I want. In other words, I cook until the longest-cooking-time-beans are tender. That means that the shorter-cooking-time-beans do end up overcooked to some degree, which is the nature of working with a mix of beans with different cooking times.

If I am cooking just lentils or just split peas then the cooking time is much less. The 3 hour figure was for the mix, not beans in general.

>>5662744
>"three hour guy" here
lol.
>>5662744
>the 3 hour figure was for the mix, not beans in general.
Cool. Thanks for clarifying.
>>5662735
>>5662735
>I said to start them off 10-15 minutes before you add in the vegetables
>The final cooking time will be around 40 minutes.

Thanks for clarifying. Still a big difference between 40 mins and 3 hrs. When you add them in 10-15 minutes before the vegetables are you at a boil? Do you leave it at a boil when the veggies go in?
Thanks!

>>5662833

Boil first, then lower it to a bubbling simmer. When the water is flat, beans take longer to cook

>>5662925

Also, I'm talking about black beans here, which aren't very big compared to some other beans. I don't have experience cooking red beans or lima beans or other big ones, I could see those taking up to an hour and a half to cook

>>5661662
>some factory farms do this
Nah. Haven't seen that video in a long time and I don't feel like sitting through it again but I'm pretty sure all or 99% of it was standard practice in all factory farms and a majority of "humane", "local", "organic" farms too. And that wasn't even the worst of it. Worse undercover investigations have come out since they made that video and they literally were merely showing standard practice. Again, I haven't seen the video in a while but I'm pretty sure everything in that video was completely legal.


If your first thought when someone tries to educate you about an important issue is that you think they're self-righteous then it's you with the problem. Easier to point a finger at them than take responsibility for yourself, right?
Why am I even responding to someone who is feigning concern over plants?

Free range is a marketing term.
http://www.peacefulprairie.org/PPS-Lit/Farming_Screen.pdf

>>5660616
read and watch
http://www.adaptt.org/
go vegan

>>5662481
this guy's awesome. I'd recommend all vegetarians check out his videos (Dr Greger is his name)

>>5660616
Oh look, its the faggot thread.
Omnivorous is best.

>>5662661
Yeah, you can. You just cook a bunch at once and put it in the fridge.

>>5663504
I never said he was being self righteous, I was bringing up why people often scoff at those who claim they are righteous and godly because they decided to take the lazy way out of fixing a problem. First they say Blacks aren't human, then they become freed and equal, now they say animals are people and just like us, they want to free them, logical conclusion as to what comes next, plants are just like us, lets stop eating them, food paste here we come! Also, your pic, chaff is inedible by humans, not only that, but a meme pic immediately makes your opinion moot and more so, you visited meme generator to make it, and not even follow the memes joke. Conclusion: you are the degeneracy that can't handle people killing animals, you're the weak link that is too fixated on muh animal rights to realize that killing anything is bound to be brutal, and can't even appreciate when areas that I have driven passed and farmers who I know treat animals with decency. Go back to facebook, reddit, tumblr, what ever hole you popped out of

this thread is really cool and I greatly appreciate it.

>>5663602
Oh look, it's the angsty teenager, don't you get tired of being always angry?

>>5665147
Put the lighter down Mr.Chan.

>>5660814

I'm curious about that picture, is that an US bakery? How common is it to find one with that selection? The prices are $ per lbs?

>>5663602
why did you come here then?

>>5665528
>is that an US bakery?

I think so. The large white paper sacks say "acme bread" on it, and a quick google search shows that is a bakery in California.

>How common is it to find one with that selection?
Depends on where in the US you're talking about. I've never had any problems finding places like that, but I doubt you'd luck finding that kind of selection in highly rural areas. Fresh bread? Sure, just not that kind of selection. Near a major city? No problem. Also, many supermarkets have bakery counters which have an excellent selection of freshly made bread.

>>The prices are $ per lbs?

I'm not sure. At the bakeries I shop at sometimes it's sold per pound, but more often it's sold per "piece", which will have a known weight. You see how some of the signs just have a dollar price while others have some text underneath the dollar price? That probably makes it clear, but the photo is too blurry to read.

About a year and a half ago I just dove right in, OP. For about three or four months I was still eating fish, but even then it was on occasion. Vegetarianism seemed like this huge daunting thing ("Oh no, how will I ever stop eating chicken or burgers!") but once you start, and you pick up meat-free items at the grocery store, and you only choose veggie items from a menu, and you deny if someone offers you a bite, and you have good self-discipline... then it's actually really easy. Enough with the training, just quit eating meat. It opened up my palette to SO many new foods I would have never tried before.

>>5665872
>t opened up my palette to SO many new foods I would have never tried before.

Why would eating meat stop you from eating delicious veggies?

>>5665147
>implying omnivores are the angsty ones

Vegan pls go. Don't you have some patchouli-stank rally to get to?

>>5665872
>pick up meat-free items at the grocery store
Get load of this asshole.

Meat substitutes are fucking awful and shouldn't be consumed by anyone.

>>5665911
>gmo free tofu, as consumed by 100% of people in japan is awful.

Read a fucking book idiot.

>Black bean burgers are satans tool to tempt meat eaters to the vegan side

You sound like a fucking retard.

>>5665922
>satan's tool
Isn't that what you suck on every night to help you sleep?

>thinks buying fake burgers made from multiple unsourced ingredients is better than a single food stuff.

>>5666005
1g of sat fat compared with meaty cheeseburger 10 grams of sat fat. (2 more grams than eu guidance)

Mkcrowave for 1 minute, flip, microwave one more minute.

Or... Make yourself for 6 hours, they cost more, and they don't microwave or store as well.

Why don't you tell me which of those ingredients is going to kill me? Because the sat fat in cheseburgers will kill you.

Its easy and its perfectly healthy, whether your meat head thinks so or not.

>Multiple unsourced ingredients is worse than my ground chuck sourced from thousands of cows.

Shiggy

>>5666035
>17 grams of protein in black bean burger
>15 grams of protein in mcdonalds cheseburger

Lels

>>5665905
I'm nit a vegan, and stop being so fucking mad.

>>5665880
this

i don't understand this exclusivity at all

>>5665922
not that guy but i don't consider tofu a meat substitute

it's its own thing

when you say meat substitute i think of stuff that attempts to emulate the texture and flavor of specific meat products while not being meat, like.. morningstar stuff

vegan chicken nuggets and shit

>>5666035
I grind my own beef, bitch, from meat I get from a local farm, so SUCK IT. THAT is what clean eating is, not some shitty frozen bean burger full of sodium, chemical flavorings, preservatives, and three different versions of msg (that I could easily see).

>>5666101
Why don't you piss off, angry anon. This thread is for vegetarians.

>>5666101

>I get my OWN colon cancer from a local farm
>I'm a strong, independant woma-- oww, my heart

>>5666131
> same old nonsensical blather from typical vegan mouthbreather.

>>5666112
4chan is for everyone.
> muh vegan right to exclusivity.

>>5662709
>deciding whether or not it's morally acceptable to butcher and kill a living organism based on semantics

You are the most pleb poster I have ever seen discussing vegetarianism, faggot.

>>5666174

You managed to misunderstand completely.

I didn't say anything at all about whether it was or was not morally acceptable to butcher an animal.

I was simply pointing out that the term "anyone" or "someone" refers to people, not animals.

I was nitpicking grammar, not making a statement as to the moral qualities of killing animals for meat. They have nothing to do with each other.

>>5666131
[citation needed]
Right, because forcing your omnivorous digestive system to subsist on plants is totally healthy.Quick question, if we aren't meant to eat meat, why do we have small masticatory muscles and a short intestinal tract? If you'd like treatment for your eating disorder, I'd be happy to point you to the help you need.

>>5666174
>Implying i give two shits and a good wooden goddamn about inferior creatures.
If deer were so intelligent, they'd learn how to operate fire arms.

>>5666216

>Right, because forcing your omnivorous digestive system to subsist on plants is totally healthy

Well, let's see what one of the most respected, accomplished medical doctors in the world has to say

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

>>Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores

>if we aren't meant to eat meat, why do we have small masticatory muscles and a short intestinal tract?

Humans don't have short intestinal tracts, and small mast muscles make sense in a species that's adapted to eat primarily fruit and cooked foods. What actually matters though is the observed effects that foods have on us in practice. Meat is clearly unhealthy. Whole plant foods are clearly healthy.

>>5666261
> meat is clearly unhealthy

No one can take you seriously when you say such stupid things.

>>5666266

The denial game ridiculous though

>>5666266

Get ready for a future where plant-based diets are the norm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DCjwIVJmMw

>>5666269
We'll let the future generations decide, when they look back. Based on all the research I've read, studied, and practiced, Omnivore is best. Omnivore for longevity and life.

>>5666203
Congrats for your null contribution. I guess you're just autistic, which is much better than what I assumed, at least.

>>5666269
People will still eat their boighas and steaks, just less.

>>5661036
>>5661006
>>5661049
Autistic levels of avatarfagging on the fucking cooking board. Why? For what purpose?

>>5663504
Nice unsubstantiated bullshit, m8. Did it hurt when you pulled it out of your ass?

>>5663504
You just reminded me that I was supposed to go out and eat with my friend since I had to cancel last time. We were going to just eat at Red Lobster but your post has inspired me to go get a big ass steak instead. Thanks, anon.

>>5666464
Enjoy the dead and decaying corpse flesh your putting into your stomach. Your intestines, arteries, and soul thank you.

Also, thanks for driving up the cost of health care with your shitty cholesterol and fat laden diet.

>>5666637
Those are some hot talking points, bro. Thanks for sharing.


>tfw healthy as fuck
>tfw not a pale sickly looking vegan
Feelsgoodman

>>5666637
hmos, ppos, big hospital corporations are driving up the cost of healthcare dumbass but why would I expect a vegan to be informed.

>>5666637
> dead and decaying corpse flesh
what do you think the fruits and veggies you eat are?

>>5666704
>big hospital corporation

Actually, the majority of hospitals in the US are state owned.

>>5666723
top kek

>>5666704
Excessive heart disease cases diabeetus drive up health care costs.

>>5666709
Plants, nigga. Dey plants.

>>5665922
>>5665911

random vegan here. I don't like any of the meat substitutes. I really just like vegetables and fruits etc.

>>5666035
>hydrated wheat gluten
>corn oil
>soy protein concentrate
>calcium caseinate
>cornstarch
>dextrose
>hydrolyzed veg protein
>artificial flavors
>disodium inosinate
>caramel color
>thiamin hydrochloride
>lactic acid

>Mkcrowave for 1 minute, flip, microwave one more minute.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA.

>NOPE.

vegan here, as you can see from my reaction, this is just as bad as a hungry man meal.

why would you eat any of those things (and think its better than meat) and then on top of it, microwave them? I'm sure you use a teflon pan too...

anyways, I'm not judging. I'm just saying how much I don't like this, as an opinion. don't get pissed at me. we cool bro.

>>5666151
I just saw this thread and found your comment, if you see a vegan thread why don't ya just hide it?

you think your going to bust into the thread like some mighty douche and change everyones mind in here? cmon...

we don't jump into another religions temple or church and start preaching because they know that nobody wants to hear that. people need to choose for themselves. this is a vegan thread, you guys have like what 9 meat threads right now?

>>5668362
the same reason they feel the need to comment in nonvegan threads instead of just hiding them

>>5668362
What, are you new here? You do know where you are, right? Also, as the other anon said, there's no such thing as exclusivity on 4chan. Threads are for everyone, regardless of topic.

>>5668365
but I don't. that's just trolls.

>>5668412
>Also, as the other anon said, there's no such thing as exclusivity on 4chan. Threads are for everyone, regardless of topic.

true true, but what I'm saying is that you should just save yourself the trouble because shouting "your wronnnng"is like that church that holds up signs that gay people are bad, vegans and gay people are not going to stop eating cucumbers.

>>5668362
>>5668733
Vegans do though, they barge in and tell everyone how eating meat is evil. Ones with the same shitty sources I found in the vegan thread

>>5668900
just because some vegans are annoying judgmental weirdos doesn't mean all of us are.

still I think they are trolls.

the trolls post them in threads to bother people, the non-trolls post them in vegan threads to share with their friends.

>>5666035

People who eat shit substitutes piss me off. If you don't want to eat shitty burgers, just don't eat shitty burgers. Eating shitty veggie burgers doesn't make you any better.
If you don't want to eat ice cream, don't eat ice cream. 'Frozen yogurt' can go fuck itself. Just don't fucking eat that shit if it's so important to you.

Eating pretend unhealthy food is not anywhere in the same league as just fucking eating healthy food. It just means you're being a dishonest, self-aggrandising faggot about it. Just eat a goddamn vegetable.

>>5666203

I beg to differ.
>Does someone wanna go for walkies?
>Does someone want their dinner? Yes he does, ahyes he does!
>Asomeone wants a tummy rub abubububuh!

>>5669734
That is someone (a human) who personifies a dog.

>>5668900

Well, isn't it?

>>5669793

And who makes the language, anon? Think about it!

>>5669813
I think people who do that shit are mostly stupid emotional females.
They'd probably not do it with cows if they lived on a farm.

>>5669829

Bite your tongue, cows are great.

>>5669833
Dairy cows you can name, not meat cattle.

>>5669836
i dont see a problem with it i raise chickens and rabbits and name them but have no problem killing them when the time comes

>>5660616
vegetarians do not eat pork ribs so you should also not eat pork ribs if you are going to be vegetarian

>>5669841
stop with the fucking pork ribs

>>5669839

Don't you run out of names?

>>5669862
No, I call them all the same name.

>>5669862
you can recycle them plus I dont name them all, my breeding rabbits are named but ones I eat dont usually live long enough to name, Same with the chickens, egg layers get names usually but the ones ill kill quick dont.

Plus its not like a have a fucking ton of them. I live by myself and can only give away so many.

I do have a pet pig and a dog who get along really well together. I had 2 pigs but when I saw how big they got I just killed one and kept the one I liked as a pet.

>>5669864

I'd number them. Then every day, I'd greet them by name, "Good morning, James the 14th! How do you do, Gloria the 52nd? My dear Theodore the 37th, of course I haven't forgotten you!" Then I'd leave them all to wonder what the fuck happened to all their predecessors. Then introduce them to their replacement the day I take them out...

>>5669867
>I just killed one and kept the one I liked as a pet.

I bet he's well behaved.

>>5669869
lol

>>5669870
he actually is, during the day when Im at work he usually stays in the house so my dog doesnt get lonely but he sleeps outside, He cant make it up on the couch anymore though :( and he loves to run around and play with my dog. I have 7 acres and the people I bought it from (my neighbors) have 43 more. Its mostly woods but I have a decent area for a large garden and a good size back yard which is where my pins are. Its funny he'll try to keep up with my dogs but cant so she runs ahead and then loops back around to catch up. Here is an old pic of her, dont have a camera phone or id take some pics of them when I get home from work