/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>5446630
If these ridiculous $15/hour proposals actually pass, these are going to be incorporated much faster than you think.

It's because people can't act like a dick to a machine.

>blaming the users

The reason people have trouble with self-checkout is because those machines are terrible.

Over only the last few years I've seen those self service things at grocery stores explode. I can't see people being a major part of retail in the future because self checkout is 100x fucking better.

The problem with a lot of them though is that they can't take promotional offers and you can't ask them questions and it's a huge pain in the ass if you've already paid for the damn thing before you notice a problem. There are pretty simple ways around this stuff though.

I sincerely hope we do away with the stores altogether. I'd be happy with a store that allowed me to order my shit online and then have my order waiting for me at the nearest branch.

These are so much better than the self service things at the supermarket though. Wawa (local convenience store) has been using these things for years and they work excellently.

I feel like most of the confusion at the supermarket comes from the fact that everything is a scale. It gets weighed on the scanner, then again in the bagging area to make sure you don't steal. The food ordering ones are much simpler.

>>5446686

Once you could leave a list and get your shit later. It would be nice to just get a list of things people want and the time they want to come get it and then do it instead of having to deal with them.

>>5446667
>not being able to follow simple instrctions

>>5446630
They use these at Buc-ee's with seemingly no problems, and their clientele is pretty inept at life in general

>>5446630
Here in Pennsylvania, Wawa's have had self service kiosks for years. People get used to it. Then again, I shouldn't expect people in the south and west of the country to be as smart as those of us in the northeast.

>>5446630
>Also, 80% of the time I go grocery shopping, there's that one person who tries to use the self checkout with no idea how it works.

Ever go to a fast food place and stand behind someone who looks at the menu as if they haven't ever heard of a cheeseburger?

>uhhhh, ummmm, uhhh, I think I want a burger, do you have any coffee? How big are your medium french fries? What kind of oil is the chicken fried in?

I would be more inclined to eat at a place that used as much robotics and automation as possible. Electronic ordering menu, food made by robots etc. It sounds like i can't stand human interaction, but if you're such a failure in life that all you can do is menial labor like flipping burgers, cleaning toilets, and pushing buttons on an order screen, then I really don't feel bad if you get replaced by a touch screen.

>>5446667

Somewhat true, if the weighing platform is miscalibrated it can freak out and require a manager to unlock, and if you accidentally flip around the product just so as you're trying to find the bar code, it can scan twice.

Still the majority of the problems are user-induced.

>>5446778

I'm really more interested in being able to get access to the full range a big supermarket offers without having to go out to the big store and without having the hassle of home delivery

>>5446630
you only need one person helping the retard instead of 5 people helping everyone

>>5446802

In Cali you cannot buy booze using self-checkout. The odd times that I'm not buying hooch I use it exclusively. Real time save, IMHO.

>>5446635
The minimum wage is lower in real value than it has been since about the 1940s.

>>5446840
And? Capitalism won't allow high pay for low skill. Ever.

>>5446839
A person comes over to check you out. If you memorize what they punch in (if it's not a card system) you can get around it without waiting.

>>5446848
$15/hr is not high pay.

>>5446630

I never use anything but Self-Checkout at the supermarket.... and it's way more difficult. You have to search through 12 categories of onions by photo and pick what you have ... then weight it out on the scale/scanner. (sclanner?)

Also... McDonalds workers are fucking retards. They are always fucking shit up on that little machine... then another one comes and says "no, you dod this... click click ... press press... oh... wait.. its not woprking... its saying CODE2... whats code2?"

fucking a... i would love to order my own meal. I can make all the customizations i would be afraid to ask the cashier to enter... like.... light mayo, no pickles, extra tomatoes... etc.

I feel like an ass... but I totally yell at fast food employees sometimes.
> HOW HARD IS IT TO MAKE IT A MEDIUM SIZE!!! YOU PROBABLY JUST PRESS A BUTTON THAT SAYS [MED.] RETARD.

>>5446848
Not true at all. Just go out to North Dakota.

And not just the riggers either, they were paying $20 an hour at McDonald's during the boom two years ago (although couldn't confirm if they still are).

>>5446858
It is for being a fry cook HS dropout

>>5446864
Statistically speaking, of course. I get a little absolute sometimes.

>>5446848

That's such bullshit. If your company can't afford to pay someone $15 an hour then you should close up now. Somewhere like McDonald's throws more shit in the bin every hour than they pay their staff for the whole day. People have these highfalutin arguments about minimum wage but they never seem to take into account that the money they are talking is basically nothing for a company and everything for an employee. Not to mention if you pay people a somewhat reasonable wage then you can start getting something out of them.

>>5446864
> they were paying $20 an hour at McDonald's during the boom two years ago

citation needed.

>>5446848
> won't allow high pay for low skill.
> Capitalism

>>5446875
> take into account that the money they are talking is basically nothing for a company and everything for an employee.
> Communism.

Lol... you guys are funny.

>>5446783
you really shouldn't be surprised people can't read or form logical connections. I work at a casino and any instructions that are more than two words long people loose their shit. Also the machines don't speak like at self checkout

>>5446876
I went there to see if we could build homes up there and talked to some of the workers. It was crazy, everyone coming from all over, every home being rented out like illegal mexicans, and Wal-Mart parking lots being completely packed full of RVs.

>>5446875
>wahhhh why won't this company whose actions are ultimately the result of the decision of an actual person pay people reasonable wages and give them lollipops and puppies

This is the world we live in. Corporations are money-making machines and only look after the bottom line. Start your own company if you want to be fair to hourly employees. Maybe you'll become a billion dollar corporation with respectable practices. As it stands, this is not how the world currently works.

>>5446802
> what is silicon valley?

>>5446863

They probably are retarded but keep in mind those places have a high turnover of staff meaning the people telling others what to do have only been there for a few months themselves and there just simply is no one with the experience to fix things when they are broken.

No to mention they get paid so little that they have 0 incentive to learn how to do things properly and there is a lot of pressure when something like that doesn't work because people do get mad about something this petty. If somebody at their place of work started screaming at them they second they made an error they'd just walk out.

>>5446811
Ever heard of an automat?

In the future it'll just be one guy in the back loading the hopper with beef patties from the freezer. And to get that job you'll need a masters in mechanical engineering and 5+ years prior experience.

>>5446875
>That's such bullshit. If your company can't afford to pay someone $15 an hour then you should close up now.
Plenty of small businesses just squeak by. If we have to start paying our small staff more then the $10 an hour they make now we are going to have to cut them all back, get rid of one, and stop taking warranty work.

>>5446858
>$15/hr is not high pay.
Are you fucking kidding me? That's $30,000 a year for UNSKILLED labor.

Here in the UK they're now in every single supermarket, and have been for years.

>>5446888

I wasn't arguing that that corporations were nice. The fact that they can totally afford to pay employees more and they choose not to makes them massive fucking assholes.

The point really was that they can afford to pay extra but they won't and it's probably not because of the money they save. I think it's probably just easier to have a bunch of disposable dipshits that you bully for a few months or a year before they quit than establishing a working relationship with someone that will actually be an asset to your company. Ultimately if they treated employees better and paid them a reasonable wage rather than an exploitative one they'd probably probably make more money back. Not enough for the effort it would take though.

>>5446901
automat kalashnikova?

>>5446910
That's below the poverty line.

>>5446907

Right therefore you should close up now because you are not making enough profit for you business to be worthwhile.

>>5446910
Not to mention the fact that, as the lower class moves into the lower middle-class, inflation will make sure that there is always major class disparity.

$15/Hour just passed in Seattle, and has to be fully implemented in just a few years. I think it's going to be great.

>>5446910
And what's the cost of living these days?

Also:
>Tipping
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/no-tipping-affect-seattles-minimum-wage/nfrtk/

>>5446888
Fuck off hippie. If you made a company you'd likely incorporate it too for legal purposes. The fact that it's a corporation doesn't make it EVIL, it's how it's run.

Stop with the stupid space aliens and lizard people are running the world shit. It's boring already.

>>5446925
If folks use his service, doesn't that necessarily mean that it has value?

>>5446923
Bullshit. The poverty line is $23,000 for a family of four. Assuming another person works in that family, they are well above the poverty lien

>>5446925
>you are not making enough profit for you business to be worthwhile.
Nine people make a living there, the owner makes only 8% more then the employees, everyone puts food on their plates, and we service over 5,000 customers. Profit is for evil publicly owned fucks.

>>5446933

If they want his services he should run his business better and make dollar. If you have to rely on basically slave labor in 2014 then you need to shut the fuck down.

>>5446901
What ever happened to those things?

>>5446936
r u fucking kidding me? who can feed a family of four on $23,000 a year? do you live in a fucking leper colony? jesus fuck.

>>5446930
>hippie

lol okay, broski. I probably WOULD become a huge conglomerate if given the opportunity. I'm not the naive teenager ITT who thinks that it should be legal to force a company to be nice to its employees. You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that corporations were evil. I said that they are money-making machines. Which they are.

You fucking faggot.

>>5446923
>>5446929
This is exactly why the minimum wage should be dictated on the local level. I made $31,000 at my old job, which was management level, but in my local economy was a pretty decent living. Nothing wrong with a $15 minimum wage, if you are in a high cost of living area.

>>5446943
>who can feed a family of four on $23,000 a year?
That's why it's called the poverty line you clueless fucking dipshit.

>>5446886
maybe there's more to it then McDonalds... maybe theres some shady land developers that want to fill up their land....and they maybe bribed the manager to pay people extra... or maybe just because of the laws of supply and demand... they really need to hire peopel so they offer a higehr price.

i dunno. just seems weird. I bet after the ulterior motive was complete they dropped all the wages back down and fired anyone that had the high wage..

>>5446894
i dont know how much of a turn around they get. the same managers and the same employees that have been manning the jack in the crack and micky deez for like 10 years now.

ive seen them get pregant, get kids.... haven't seen them hire their kids on fries yet. but i will.

>>5446941
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat#Decline

>>5446930
>The fact that it's a corporation doesn't make it EVIL, it's how it's run.
This is absolutely true. What makes them evil is that they are publicly owned. Publicly owned companies almost never stay on the good side of the evil line. It's just too much of a priority shit.

>>5446940
Don't you have a Wall Street to occupy or something?

>>5446947
hurr durr, but surely that assumes that people earning a little over $23,000 can afford to have a family of four?

>>5446940
Holy hell. This is one of the times I actually hope the poster is underage.

>>5446943
>who can feed a family of four on $23,000 a year?
Anyone who has a garden and hunts regularly can do it a lot more cheaply then that.

>>5446910
$15/ hour is $30,000

YEAAH AND TAXES DONT EXIST>........

youll be lucky to keep 18k of that in cash... and 18k for a year isn't even enough to live in a fucking studio apartment in the ghetto.

Get fucking real, this isn't the 1980s.... 30k is fuckign LOOOOOOW. Unskilled labor... you mean like waitresses, telemarketers, retail salespeople. They all get paid more then 30k.

>>5446939

Food on their plates and what else? This is America bro. If you have such an enormous customer base you shouldn't be struggling this much. Run your business properly and give your manager a fucking slap for being such a colossal dipshit that he makes $11 an hour.

>>5446956
> Anyone who has a garden and hunts regularly can do it a lot more cheaply then that.
right. so noone but you. exactly.

most people have an office job and get their food from the supermarket. Not live in the woods and dig for their own petrolium...

fucking hate outdoors people always shoving their shit. If you want to collect rainwater... GO FOR IT. But don't say that "water is free" if it's $1.29 a bottle.

>>5446940
It ain't even my business, I'm one of the $10 an hour fucks.

>>5446957
It sure is with roommates.

>>5446956
Sure is easy to have my garden and go hunting when I work 50h/week just outside the major city I work in and live in an apartment which is all I can afford.

>>5446961
It's very common in my area: VERY common.
The problem is city people making their stupid city laws effect everyone. Fuck anyone who can live in a city isn't even a human being.

>>5446961
>buying bottled water

Hey, just because you're a retard with money doesn't mean others can't make it work.

>>5446956
someone who spends half their fucking life hunting and gardening is pretty much forced to work a job that only pays $23,000

sounds like a miserable fucking life.

>>5446963
roommates means you can't afford a home dumbass....

it's a temporary situation while you're in education or training.

You don't fucking live with "roommates" unless you're going to school.

Wtf is wrong with you? You wanna live with The Guy On The Couch all your life?

ive had roommates. it was fun for a semester. im not sharing my fucking space with other fleshbags.

>>5446969
You sound more miserable then me man. I've never done one thing in my life that didn't make me satisfied and happy.

>>5446965
yeah, man. I live in the city. And teh shit you are saying to me sounds like a dream come true.

I would toss this fucking cellphone in the gutter, leave this gridlock trafic, and go live in the woods with you if I could. I love nature, I love animals. I would live on trapping rodents and venison.

Fuck yeah. But unfortunately i live in Los Angeles - the biggest shithole ever. Where are you located?

>>5446970
What arbitrary shit is this? If you can't afford something, you can't afford something.

>>5446974
you're probably right

>>5446953

It's pretty simple. If you HAVE to pay your employees minimum wage (as it currently stands) then you are not making anywhere near enough profit to bother continuing. If you want to be a cunt so you can save yourself a few cents instead of actually looking at what's wrong with your business model that's fine.

>>5446969
hunting and gardening is fun.... you're sitting on a computer clicking spreadsheets for people that are having lunch and making 100 times more money then you per minute....

im following my destiny, being the animal i was born... living off the land. Creating life... taking life. Eating it. Living life.

Enjoy your Flappy Bird and Playstation though...

>>5446976
West Virginia: Some of it is awful; much of it is great.

>>5446980
you're assuming I do any of those things.

>>5446981
i love forests. back at home we used to drive out to the forest and make our own campsite by axing a few trees... take an inflatable boat with us on teh river... hunting.. fishing...
and the wild mushrooms! so many mushrooms.

only mushrooms in LA make you trip for 8 hours

>>5446979
>there are people in this world that are this stupid

You don't know the first thing about business, and it's painfully evident.

>>5446979
So basically small businesses shouldn't exist?

>>5446981
I live in WV too. Where are you?

>>5446986
I've been to LA, it's awful.

>>5446979
Okay, but he and his fellow employees are making 10/hr. Last time I checked that was above minimum wage. You can't just choose an arbitrary number and tell me that it's the magic number of dollars companies must pay employees per hour.

EVERYONE SHOULD MAKE 30.00/HR THIS WILL END POVERTY AND JUSTIFY MY POOR LIFE DECISIONS

>>5446982
no im not.. im not talking about you. How fucking self absorbed are you? I'm providing an example... Like someone saying.

YOu work hard! You play hard! You deserve it!

im not actually talking about you... its a commercial. When I said you sit in front of a spreadsheet i was just referring to the fact that you consider hunting and gardening a "job", while i consider it a hobby and fun as fuck.

If you think its a chore... then you won't enjoy it. I dont know what you do instead and i dont care.

>>5446991
Eastern panhandle.

>>5446997
Oh. I'm in Morgantown

>>5446979
the purpose of a business it to make money, not provide a life for it's employees.

if minimum wage is not enough for you, go ahead and find another job.

Salaries are set on supply and demand. If you have a huge rush of people coming in for some World Series or something , you're going to pay people more to keep up with that business.

If you're doing slow... then you pay minimum wage and it's a grind.

EVERYONE wants more money. I don't understand why you think we should start with the most expendable people.

I've never ever gotten a minumum wage job.... and ive had many jobs in many fields since i was 15.

Not a single minimum wage job. Becuase i considered myself to be skilled enough for $10/hour (back then it was 5.50 minumum)

And i got it. Then i got more. Then i got more.

If you want more - go get more. Don't fucking bitch at the employer for wanting more to. he doesn't owe you anything. Its not his responsibility to make sure you survive.

You think if the employee cant afford food and dies of malnourishment they'll sue the boss for not paying him enough? probably but they wont win.

>>5446998
I was just there last week. Had to go out and pick up some keys from the BMW place out by the old mall.

I lived there for three years about 6 years ago while I was working from home; a buddy of mine needed help with the rent and I didn't really have a regular home. I lived up in south park; it was too city for me. I could barely sleep with the sounds of other people about.

>>5446988

I really don't care whether they exist or not. If they like what they are doing then that's great but if they are not making enough from each employee that a relatively small pay increase would ruin them then it's pretty much fucked.

>>5447001
>the purpose of a business it to make money,
The purpose of a business is to provide a good or service. Making money is a necessary effect of the primary purpose.

>>5447011
Yeah you get that with college towns. I live in South Park myself. Personally I love it but I'm not going to be staying in West Virginia much longer.

>>5447001

>the purpose of a business it to make money

Absolutely. Therefore if your business can't stand to pay out $200 an extra a week for each employee then it's not a worthwhile business.

>>5447018
>arbitrarily pull a number out your ass to make absolutes about generic businesses

Are you in high school, or just a liberal?

>>5447011
> south park

>>5447014
Completely wrong.

>>5447027
You are an evil fuck that needs to go to the Eric Clapton school of business.

>>5447031
Completely Idiotic.

>>5447014

no. Providing a good or service is neccessary to make money.

Which business would you open?
> one that offers goods and services but makes no money?
> or one that offers nothing and makes money?

yeah. The primary purpose of any business venture (not including non profits and charities) is to MAKE MONEY.

and even non profits are obsessed with self preservation. they spend millions strengthething their inner company.


You sound like you live in a village of 5 people. "Well, how can you start charging us for milk, Hank? We're gonna start having to charge for bread! How about you give me a bottle of milk, and I'll give you a loaf of bread!"

> The purpose of a business is to provide a good or service.
come on,... thats like saying the primary job of a police man is to "protect the people". ITS NOT. The police are agents of the executive branch of government. They enforce the laws and execute them. You call them to get someone in trouble, NOT TO HELP.

if you call the cops and they show up at your door... don't be surprised if they end up arresting YOU for some bullshit they noticed... taht was more important to them then what you called about.

stop being such a kid.

>>5447031
>evil fuck
> eric clapton

dude... shut the fuck up... go take your meds. you sound like one of those ward of the states that wears mu-mus.

>>5447027
I work a low pay computer tech job for a long standing local company. We've had some competition over the years that has offered our guys more money to come work on the other side.

Those places never last. It's not a high profit field in this area and the only way you can get away with paying your employees that high in this case is to lie to, steal from, and shit on your customers.

>>5447022

It's not really an arbitrary number.

>>5447043
Never heard of the Eric Clapton business model? It's an actual thing.

eric clapton makes shitty music

>>5446941
pull arms rusted out

>>5447050
lol

>>5447038
>thats like saying the primary job of a police man is to "protect the people"
You are correct, the word police doesn't even imply protection. But when it comes to business you are just a sick fuck, and you excuse yourself because tons of other people are too.

>>5447049
yeah.. get famous and sell yoru guitars.

no i haven't heard of it, and google returns no relevant results for "eric clapton business model"... are you sure it wasn't Bob Dylan busines model? Or maybe Slash Bash - the Smashed way to Make Cash

>>5447050
You take that back!

Crossroads? Cocaine? Sunshine of Your Love?

Get out!

>>5447060
fuck off dad

>>5447055
If you want to do honest work, then volunteer. Or live in a commune. Otherwise, you're just another cog in the machine. Wealth rules this world.

>>5447055
you are a childish self entitled faggot. if i open a business, that means i worked fucking hard to do it.

you want a fucking piece of it cause you're too lazy to work yourself.

Why dont YOU open up a business in which its primary purpose is to suck people's dick... and the money is an afterthoguht.

I want to see YOU explain why you have to fire yoru best workers (because you pay them more... cause they're the best...) and replace them with a bunch of mexicans that dont speak english.

you dont know shit.

>>5447062
> lol doesn't like clapton
enjoy your chemical romance

>>5447055
It's sad how stupid you are.

Do you think carpenters from their own business in order to frame your house? No, they do it so they can make money within their skillset!


>hurr dur business people bad, profits evil!
You should stop having your world view shaped by 80s cartoons and box office movies.

>>5447059
Lemme see if I can remember it correctly. It was something along the lines of, 'I didn't set out to make money, I set out to be the best at what I do. You will make money if you are good at what you do.'

I'm paraphrasing like crazy and cutting a bunch of shit out, but that's that.

>>5446970
>im not sharing my fucking space with other fleshbags.

Translation:
>I don't want to share my fucking space with other fleshbags so instead of getting a better job I'm going to complain until I'm paid more for the same work.

What's better: a higher minimum wage, or more people on food stamps and welfare?

>>5447077
Obviously a higher minimum wage. But forcing a company to do something it doesn't want to is like forcing a person to do something it doesn't want to.

>>5447069
>you want a fucking piece of it cause you're too lazy to work yourself.
What the hell are you talking about? I've worked a regular job or been in classes since I was 17. I'm saying that starting a business with the primary goal of making money is a crooked way to go about it. You should provide a service so well that you make money. I'm also saying that if you just make enough to feed yourself and your employees you are just as entitled to your life as someone who is rolling in the dough.

Also we would fire are lowest paid workers, slim down, take on less profitable work, and scale back the hours. For me this means I'll make 30% more but work 50% less. I guess I'll get to go find a 2nd (shittier) job.

>>5447077
neither you faggot

>>5447075
That's what every fucking asshole says - once they get to a point of success.

Every mother FUCKER that has a successful business says "gotta do what you love... gotta love what you do."

fucking doesn't help anyone until those 12 years have gone by and you're either living the american dream - or getting the fuck divorced.

"follow your heart" is not a legitimate business model. It's fucking CLAPTON. hes a psycho. All celebrities are crazy. Where do you think that money goes? He probably pays aliens to abduct him or some shit. He's not one of us. he can't tell a non-celeb how to be successful. he doens't know.

he's fucking CLAPTON - god given talent. Michael jackson was a fucking metnal retard - a 9 year old trapped in a pedofile's body... and he got super famous and rich.

Cause he had talent. Only talent you're showing so far is the talent to give yourself way too much credit.

>>5447086
> I'm saying that starting a business with the primary goal of making money is a crooked way to go about it.

IM NOT FUCKING T ALKING TO YOU ANYMORE YOU FUCKING KID.. STOP RESPONDING TO ME.

The definition of a fucking business is to make money... you dumbass.

crooked way ... shut up.

>>5447088
>he probably pays aliens to abduct him or some shit

holy shit lol

>>5447086
I take it you've never been anywhere near the administration side of business because you sound like a fucking retard.

>>5447091
>The definition of a fucking business is to make money... you dumbass.
Fine. My new business is busing gheto niggers into your neighborhood to rob you and your neighbors. I'll make WAY more money then doing the honest work I do now fixing shit and helping people.

What was I thinking!?

>>5447099

how can you possibly make money off of that? who will pay you? are you just really really high right now? you don't make any sense....

This reminds me of Maeby's plan at the Banana Stand....

>>5447099
>can't tell if mentally challenged or just liberal

> implying complete automation isn't the full downfall of human kind.

It's like you can't even into dystopian/idiocracy/isolationism/worstcasescenario/Orwellian nightmare

Get the fuck out of your basement.

>>5447103
man, me either... i don't understand. Is he just frustrated that money isn't free?

Does he hate rich people?

Does he realize rich people are the ones that create jobs?

>>5447103
I'm actually ridiculously conservative. I just feel that utility comes before profit; that doesn't make me liberal.

>>5447102
I bus a bunch of fucking niggers into your town; they rob you blind; I bus them back to my area where we fence the shit. I pay them $15 a hour, they take all the risk, I make money, and my business is good by your ass crazy set of ethics.

>>5447106

oh okay, he's just a paranoid schizophrenic with conspiracy theory and OCD.

cool beans.
>>5447106
Hey Anon, Would You Like To Have Sex With Me?
(pic related)

>>5447115
No, your business is successful. What the fuck are you on, seriously?

You shouldn't have a fucking family if you can only get a minimum wage job.

Normal people make sure they're financially stable before having children.

>>5447115
what makes you think the niggers will hand over the stuff? they'll play you like a fool and keep all the good shit. you'll end up bussing them across the country and paying them $15 for a reported-stolen iphone and a car stereo.

Nice business model man. Also, not like taking things is illegal.

> they take all the risk
what risk? they just got 15 bucks an hour and a free ride. You're the one risking your money and gas.

dumbass

>>5447103
> mentally challanged
> liberal
Is there a difference?

>>5447120
Lack of education correlates with early pregnancy. Social safety nets like food stamps, section 8 housing, etc. make it seem feasible to raise a child in poverty.

>>5447118
I was just trying to defend small businesses that make almost no profit but provide a good service while keeping their employees fed. It spiraled into no one really know what we are talking about anymore.

I blame that guy that isn't capitalizing all his sentences.

>>5447014
>The purpose of a business is to provide a good or service.
what?

>>5447117
And you're full fucking retard. I bet you sit and watch Fox news and nod along and audibly talk to/agree with the TV screen, even though you have no idea what they're actually talking about.

>>5447120
>Normal people make sure they're financially stable before having children.
normal conservatives don't

>>5447120
> doesn't understand how life works

Confirmed for 12 year old.

>>5447128
I get what you're saying. If you manage to pay your employees well while providing a necessary service, then all the power to you. The reality of the situation is that there is a guy who cares slightly less about his employees. He will pay them less than you pay yours and will save money. He will spend this money on advertising and infrastructure. You will not be able to compete unless you live in a community that is into kitschy artisan shit.

>>5447140
>being a retard and knocking up a girl when you don't have a job is how life works

>>5447133
I know exactly what they say on the TeeVee.

> "The US Goverment is hiding The Truth from us. They're putting a veil over our eyes to shield us from mass hysteria. The human body generates more bio-electricity than a 120-volt battery and over 25,000 BTUs of body heat. Combined with a form of fusion, the government has found all the energy they would ever need. There are fields, endless fields, where human beings are no longer born. We are grown. For the longest time I wouldn't believe it, and then I saw the fields with my own eyes. Watch them liquefy the dead so they could be fed intravenously to the living. And standing there, facing the pure horrifying precision, I came to realize the obviousness of The Truth" - Alex Jones

>>5447088
Incorrect. I work because I have to and I'm paid to do it. I don't love to work, that's an excuse that people use to get away from their bitchy wives and babies that they've pumped out.

I get paid a lot of money to write code for some really big ass companies and it took a long time to learn how to do that so I don't come across as an asshole in front of some of the smartest people on the fucking planet.

If I didn't have to work I wouldn't.

Are you a stupid hippy with a retard agenda?

>>5447144
> implying all these bitches want to get with you and you tell them off like "yeah, its just a bad time in my career for a GF right now."
> implying you're not being a retard right now because you're utterly alone.

>>5447144
>is how life works

It sort of is, though. There are many Americans who don't know how babies are actually made. It's a symptom of a larger problem.

>>5447147
>pregnancy isn't easily preventable in this day in age

>>5447147
>you can't have sex without getting a girl pregnant

Confirmed for 12 year old.

>>5447143
That's actually what *I* was saying. I was defending a small company that would have trouble completing if it had to pay its workers $15 an hour instead of $10. In my example though it's the customers that would have to bear the burden. An increase in wages that large would drive our customers hourly cost from $45 an hour to $65(ish), and I'm pretty sure we'd be better just cutting back most of our workers or folding up entirely.

>>5447145
What the fuck. The fact that you even can reference fucking crazy time means you dabble too close to the line. I have zero interest in anything else you have to say.

>>5447084
That would be true if corporations were people. They're not. They're much stronger than people, because they're a group of people operating under one name. Since they have more power to do harm in society, they must be held to a higher standard.

>>5447146
nah.. lol. im in QA as well. I try to break the code you write for really big ass companies. (NASA, Wells Fargo, Deloitte & Touche, John Hancock, etc)

I was just saying that every successful person gives themselves a lot of credit. My millionaire boss is kinda smart... but much more lucky. He got super lucky here, then there.. then opened a company and got lucky enough to hire another genius that saved it from falling through.

but he just says "i worked really hard to get where i was today" and tells people "if you work hard, you can get here too."

That's the one tiem im gonna sound like a hippy - hard work doesn't always pay off. Some people work their entire life very hard and never get to that level of success.

>>5447153
You can't have satisfying sex without getting a girl pregnant, ( if you have a fetish for that kind of thing ).

>>5447145
>mfw

>>5447151
>>5447153
what? when did i mention fucking pregnancy????????

>>5447161
>You can't have satisfying sex without getting a girl pregnant
so you literally are retarded

>>5447157
Do you think that this stuff should only apply to mega-rich companies?

>>5447156
i dont know what crazy time is.... that shit is OC. bitch. get a fucking brain maybe you can be funny sometimes.

>>5447164
kill yourself

>>5447157
If high profit corporations were they only ones a higher mandatory wage was shitting on I could look the other way. Many people just like to pretend small businesses don't exist.

>>5447153
This is how I know you're either underage or a basement dweller. The only constant in life is the unpredictable - ness of it. Once you get older/more experienced, you will start understanding these things.

>>5447158
Agree. But success is a silly thing to be in love with. Satisfaction is a much better thing to have. I can be a dirt farmer with one car to share between three people and still be happy if I'm doing good hard work. Hard work is it's own reward.

>>5447170
You. You are crazy time. I don't do crazy.

>>5447166
So I was literally making a joke. Of course I'm not out getting ladies pregnant: I'm a wizard.

>>5447181
>seriously thinking that everyone gets pregnant unexpectedly and there's no way to prevent having a child when you have sex
Are you black or something? How is it possible you're this stupid?

>>5447183
>implying success and satisfaction are mutually exclusive

>>5447197
I didn't intend to imply that.

>>5447200
I know, I'm just being a dick. Sorry brah.

>>5447158
I'm not in QA, never said I was. I'm a straight dev. I've worked indirectly for NASA and have had their auditors on my code, they can't break it. Then Pfizer, Philip-Morris, BNP Paribas, shit, I've forgotten them all.

I really didn't work hard, writing is easy and fun for me, I like to say it's hard so people don't get too jealous. I'm no billionare but if I wasn't lazy I'd be close.

Luck does have a place, though it's in no way anything. One can be lucky but never trusted, you can't get trusted positions through luck, it doesn't work that way, especially when serious money is on the line and legal ramifications. That's what middle level managers are for, they can fuck off, I prefer to write, it has benefits such as being left alone and fucking around here on 4chan.

Report to directors and higher, don't bother with mid level wankers.

Just remember that there's always someone quicker than yourself. As a Roman general went into Rome there was always someone at his side wispering and reminding him that success is fleeting.

>>5447221
That's Philip Morris without the dash.
Also Lockheed Martin for the USAF.
Those aren't people to fuck with.

>>5447221
>>5447248
lockheed is a client of ours too lol... those people are retards. we're more in the finance sector so i have to talk to AP people and huge companies hire total retards to overlook all the money. kind of funny reminds me of the IT Crowd... have you tried turning it off and on again?

>>5447221
> I really didn't work hard, writing is easy and fun for me, I like to say it's hard so people don't get too jealous.

see. thats what i was saying earlier. Rich people act like its so hard... but no. You found a niche, a spot you're good at. Maybe you did make some good decisions... but it's 20/20 hindsight to claim you knew exactly what yuo were going to do, and "just did it"

>>5447253
I'd have to look up the group I was working for from my resume but I didn't find the folk at Lockheed stupid at all, nor were the USAF folk.

Maybe you were working for the quota division?

Nobody stupid comes up with an sr-71 blackbird.

SR-71 Blackbird - Eye In The Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeXQOBb7h7s

If it doesn't take cash I'm not going to use it. Otherwise it would be great.

>>5447270
bookkeepers dont design jets. we were handling their money not their tech

How do you all feel about MLK's idea about a guaranteed wage? Would it just fuck everything up and everyone stop working, or would it actually drive them to have more productive lives now that they don't stress over their living situation? Some say it would create a world of neets, where as others say it would create a new generation of more productive workers when the stress of money isn't looming.

I know a lot of people here would go /jp/ truneet if you were guaranteed a livable wage for doing nothing, instead of using it properly.

>>5447308
It says a lot about a person, and it would easily single people out as shitters at the very least. Even if I was getting six digits annually for nothing, I would still have gone through university to pursue my career because we need more change than Obama has for us. We need heroes, anon.

>>5446839
I live in california (you clearly don't seeing as you called it CALI) and you can buy booze at self checkout

>>5446630
I refuse to use them based on the idea that they not only replace a worker, but they also save the company lots of money and all I get is a shittier experience. If these things offered a discount or something I would use them

>>5447308
Had I been given a living wage I would have been able to pursue treatment for a medical condition that I have far earlier, and thus would have become a productive member of society much sooner.

>>5447322
The benefit is lack of line and punctured pocket pasta

>>5447325
>>5447322
But for every 1 of you there is probably 10000 lazy fucks who would do nothing.

>>5447330
We're moving into a era of post-scarcity. We already cannot supply enough actual jobs to our labor force, so who even cares?

>>5447332
What the fuck makes you think we are approaching post scarcity when we have growing people and lower farmland? I know this sounds like a dick thing to say, but even if a society of one million could run on the work of one hundred, I would still be pissed at the fuckers who weren't contributing or attempting to. I can't stand leeches. This is also why a socialist utopian post scarcity society would not work.

Even if everyone were given equal living space, amenities, and high class luxuries there would still be class warfare due to doctors being paid the same as truck drivers.

>>5447145
Isn't that a quote from the Matrix?

>>5447340
We produce more food than we can possibly eat. The problem is not farmland, it's logistics.

>there would still be class warfare due to doctors being paid the same as truck drivers.

No one said anything about paying doctors the same as truck drivers, to speak nothing of, I'm not sure that you understand the phrase "class warfare".

>>5446783

>scan item
>place in bag
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>machine pls stahp item is scanned and in bag let me continue
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>A MANAGER HAS BEEN NOTIFIED TO ASSIST YOU
>repeat process for every single thing I'm buying

>>5447394

Sounds like someone doesn't realize there is a scale in the checkout machine and something you're doing is fucking with the scale.

>>5447394
>scan item
>place in bag
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>fuck you, fine, I'll pick it up and put it in again
>ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BAGGING AREA, PLEASE REPLACE
>ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BAGGING AREA, PLEASE REPLACE
>find, fuck you, I'll put it in.
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAGGING AREA
>look around for the inevitable manager
>...
>PLEASE SCAN NEXT ITEM AND PLACE IN THE BAGGING AREA
>mfw

>>5446923
try getting disability for mental disorders faggot.

I used to get about six hundred dollars a month. Not fun to live on. So bad I had to get a shitty job just to compliment it.

Too bad I can't work full time, I nervous breakdowned'd my way out of three jobs

I think the problem with this would be people getting nervous about using the machine when there's a line. Maybe the customer is having a difficult time making a big order or finding the right item and making sure to

>>5447528
Well not everyone have fucking brain problems. Despite the shit you hear on /jp/, its actually a very elaborate and difficult process to get 'autism bux.'

>>5447528
You CAN work. You shouldn't be on autismbux.

>>5447321

I live in Los Angeles and no you cannot. There's a big sign right in front of the self checkouts that has the law printed on it and everything.

>>5447528
>I nervous breakdowned'd my way out of three jobs
i did the same shit.

they claim it was drugs but i say i took the drugs cause i was stressed out.

I'm suprised the whole kiosk thing hasn't been skipped and we're at the point where you just text your order, verify it and then send you a picture of a number to.know when your order is ready.

Nb4 some one rips off my idea and makes millions

I actually thought I was on the /co/ board until I clicked "return".

Also, if I got fired from Kroger after working 12 hours for 5 weeks, and I am not able to get hired at any Kroger ever again for the rest of my life (because of the nature of me not working there anymore), where could I work that deals with food? McDonalds, Wal-Mart, Subway, and Burger King already said no.

>>5447559
Doesn't Japan already do that?

i do not frequent walmart, but what the fuck can i say, but every once in a while for something random i will go. my local walmart has 2 "self-checkout" areas that each have like 10 stations, so about 50% of the check out stations are self serve kiosks. they always seem to be busy. i have to imagine these stations are more complicated than a fast food order would be (with the whole bagging/ weighing operation)

tl;dr the future is now and these alread work.

>>5447133
>Someone not even holds a conservative position but dares disagree with a liberal claim
>"bet u watch fox news 2 dont u"
I don't even hold but like 1 right-wing stance and I hate this more than the tumbr-esque "PRIVLUGE" single-word argument-ender, because more people take people like you seriously for some reason.

>>5447343
yes

but LOL REPUBLICANS R STOOPIT

I have to say, I'm surprised at this discussion. I thought /ck/ was all just fat tumblr feminist retards. I am enlightened.

>>5447399
sounds like someone doesn't understand linearity

the problem isn't that you're fucking with the scale, it's that the scale is so fucking cheap the plate isn't sufficiently large to hold the average shop and weigh it accurately, especially if you're using your own bags because you want to be green/don't feel like paying for plastic ones that fall apart before you get home/don't want a lot of plastic bags to get rid of later

you literally cannot do anything right because in most of those machines, the plate is a 6" square directly under the bag rack, which gets in the way of using other bags etc

the irony? a second scale (or multiple plates) would cost around $5 each, which is nothing compared to the cost of the machines - but the manufacturers don't make them that way as standard and the resellers who buy them direct from the manufacturers and gussy them up for retail chains won't order additions for the manufacturers except by doubling the cost of each unit (because that's how sales logic works) and nobody would buy direct when they could just get into a buy-to-service agreement with a third party

tl;dr everyone knows they don't work, nobody actually cares

the absolute best part? if you live in the US (but not the EU), they don't even have to be calibrated to a single standard - individual scales can easily be as much as 50 grams out at the baseline and when you get up to capacity, something like a kilo out, on arrival from the manufacturer. this is just the limitation of the technology - the only way around it is to calibrate the control board of each unit

calibration takes a couple of minutes per scale and there are agreed ISO9001 standards to meet- but again, the US doesn't care enough to make it mandatory, so the scales never get calibrated


now if you've ever added something to the bag and it just wouldn't get recognised, that's probably why- the scales were not calibrated properly because the store/supplier of the machines wanted to save money

>>5447572

I applied to Kroger in 2003, got accepted after my drug test, then turned it down when they told me it was a union job.

Two weeks later they went on strike. I really dodged a bullet there.

>>5447550
>everyone is capable of exactly everything

go back to bed, Stalin

>>5446729
My nigger. Wawa has used these for sandwiches for years - they are actually better than ordering from a person.

I miss Wawa. They some in NY.

>>5447642
Nice try bag messer upper. Take your logic and reasonable discussion and GIT OUT

>>5447651
Everyone's capable of the bare minimum, oh excuseful one. Other than people in legitimate need.

>herp, I had a hard time, I can't do it!
Yes you can faggot, I shouldn't be subsiding your lack of determination.

I always wonder why people want to insert their own opinions and insist that they are correct

instead of listening to others and trying to understand their logic and their why they believe that logic.


That's not to say their isnt right or wrong. I just don't see why there needs to be argument over it.

Put down your egos please. Put your feet into other's shoes instead. THEN you can come a conclusion.

>>5447145
>The goverment relys on having more and more people working and spending money because its funds come only from taxes, they bring mexicans only to breed not only to have more labors paying taxes but to collect more taxes from the people already working to give to those mexicans so they can spend it and they get even more taxes.
every worker is able to generate enough money to survive but the goverment raises prices and minimun wage to be able to collect even more taxes. I have seen them destroy the middle class by making saving money impossible only to keep them in eternal debth to collect more.
translated for people that dont understad analogies

>>5447784
tl dr
they want to keep people working and in debt to be able to keep collecting from them. They want the poor to stay poor and the amount of poor people to keep growing so they can collect even more

>>5446630
>Also, 80% of the time I go grocery shopping, there's that one person who tries to use the self checkout with no idea how it works.
i FUCKING HATE those self serve checkouts. I only use them if I have to, and if I do I purposely act dumb so someone has to come and help me.
FUCK SELF SERVE CHECKOUTS

>>5447797
>they want the amount of poor people to keep growing so they can collect even more

the top 10% pays 70% of all taxes collected federally and the top 1% pays more in taxes than the bottom 90%

>>5447884
i like em theyre faster IMO and i can make sure everything is priced correctly and not wrang in more than once

>>5446630

God I fucking hope so. One of the only things I order from McD's is iced coffee, which is legit. I always ask for it black. Yet 9 times out of 10, they fuck it up. I don't know how they do, but they do.

I used to order it without sugar, just cream. EVERY SINGLE TIME, no matter which idiot I was talking to, would have to ask multiple questions to understand. And countless times they'd just add sugar free shit. Fuck.

>>5447890
And they get ALL their wealth from exploiting the poor. Its a small price to pay.

>>5447890
that isnt true

>>5447912
>exploiting the poor

Your political beliefs have as much substance as a bumper sticker.

>>5447912
they get their wealth by exploiting their workers and the middle class. The poor is the goverments meal ticket.
Ayn rand wated the goverment to stop collecting money from people except to support army, police and judges so this wouldnt happen

fucking liberals in this thread keep forgetting that these fast food jobs are meant to be part time work for students and other young people to earn pocket money. that is why the job requires no skill and the turnover is so high. no one is entitled to a comfortable life, that is why we all are supposed to get an education and work hard so we can get a good job

>>5446630
> TFW they have them at Sheetz and I absolutely love them
Seriously, fuck people.

>>5447924
http://taxfoundation.org/blog/top-1-percent-pays-more-taxes-bottom-90-percent

http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/top10-percent-income-earners

oh and bottom 50% pays 2%

>>5447931
how can the poor be the govts meal ticket when they take the most from the govt

>>5446969
> Implying anyone aside from farmers or other agricultural workers do that
Lol okay
I hunt, 99% of my meat comes from hunting, and I garden, at least half of my vegetables and herbs and all that shit come from gardening. I really don't spend a lot of time doing that, and when I do, I enjoy it.

>>5447950
you can work any full time job and still do this

>>5447942
the goverment exorts money from citizens to collect in their big piggie bank and gives some to the poor as an excuse.

>>5447955
everything taxes is an excuse to get that piggie bank fatter

>>5446630
>that pic

What a wonderful world we live in, isn't it?
>DO THE JOB FOR ALMOST NO MONEY!
>B-but it's not enough money! I need more to feed my family and pay my house rent!
>FUCK YOU THEN, STARVE! I'LL REPLACE YOU WITH THIS ROBOT!

Capitalism, folks!

>>5447958
in fact they want poor people and unemployment because they want people economically epending on them. The goverments wet dream is socialism where they get to decide where goes every penny and what belongs to who so everyone in the entire country depends on them.
This iswhy they push for more divorces. To make familys with 2 working parents depending on the state too

>>5447958
while i dont think its right to tax people on the money they work for, their property or to make someone pay say a school tax and not have kids, ( i think we need a VAT tax instead) a lot of tax money is spend on good things(though a lot isnt and need to put towards more beneficial things), maintaining roads, a military etc. its certainly not just an excuse to get "their piggy bank fatter" especially when its empty

>>5447973
they would support anything as long as it got their pockets full. They supported anti gun polices and they also supported mass murders in a foreing country. Both to get money.
Oh govermen you sexy mistress, oh goverment you backstaving whore. Why cant i quit you?

>>5447973
they get money from maintaining roads too

>>5447986
most politicians oppose anti gun legislation

and while i dont really care about mass murder but i dont support any wars agaisnt someone who doesnt directly pose a threat or have something we want/need, nothing wrong with imperialism if we want something and we have the means to take it why not

>>5446977
leftists don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights

they think having a right to own property means its against the law to be denied property you can't afford instead of it meaning you have a right to acquire it if you are able to

I can tell you this much. if minimum wage is raised to $15 an hour I'm sure as shit quitting my job and working at mcdonalds. Why am I wasting my time doing real work?

>>5447993
do you think taxes dont get spent but instead just go to the lawmakers? i dont really get your posts

>>5447995
i hate how they raise the minimum wage so it goes up but all other incomes stay the same

>>5448000
that's what these retards don't understand.
When you raise minimum wage the poverty line doesn't stay where it is, the poverty line raises along with the minimum wage hike. The result is not lifting people out of poverty, all you are doing is throwing people who were above the line below it.

>>5447994
some politicians get monry for supporting gun rights
some politicians get money for supporting nti gun meassures.
gun legislation gets constantly pushed back
they keep pressing for it
every politician keeps getting money
oh goverment

>>5447997
all that money belongs to them until its used. They in fact decide where and how to use it

>>5448012
>>5448014
you know taxes dont actually go to the lawmakers, yes they dictate how it gets spent and can also get kickbacks but the tax money isnt theirs to spend on whatever until it gets allocated

>>5447994
you think that murder money goes to you.
it goes to big buisness and a ton of it to the goverment in the form of taxes

>>5448018
have all the money in the country at their disposal
it doesnt belong to them

>>5446802
This. I recently moved to philadelphia and was shocked at how well implemented self serve kiosks were implemented into Wawa's. Sure, they still have cashiers and all, but they do away with at least one extraneous person/job of taking orders.

Still, don't get ahead of yourself with your regional hatred; the average Wawa goer is no genius either.

>>5447939

But we have so many people and so few jobs that a lot of people who aren't students or teenagers have to take fast food jobs so they can pay bills, not so they can earn weed and booze money. It's not the 90s anymore.

>>5448019
>>5448021
you guys are literally retarded

>>5448030
prooven wrong everytime
the banks now own money to the goverment, the goverment keeps asking for loans to china.
you guys are retards
follow the money stupid

>>5448028
>so many people and so few jobs
and there are going to be WAY less.

There are plenty of people with college degrees that can't get work so you are kidding yourself if you think someone with GED is going to get that fry cook job once people with bachelors degrees start applying for it.
$15 an hour is entry level for a college graduate as it is

>>5448040
>proven wrong everytime

you havent proved anything you just keep saying the same thing over and over, no matter what i say youll still argue so why put the effort in

>>5448044
depends the the bacholors degree guy gonna bitch and moan since he had to lower his standard or is he going to bust his ass like the GED guy would being grateful to have a job

also the GED guy prob got more experience

I work at a pizza place and I'm completely fucking amazed at how many calls I get from people who are incapable ordering their pizza from a website.

>>5448051
the gun legislationis not proof that they dont care about anything but collecting money
the fact that they are the biggest gun consumers doesnt proove it either
the fact that they get more and more control over the economy doesnt proove anything
the fact that they collect more and more debt doesnt mean anything
the fact that theyr pawns parrot socialism doesnt proove anything
the fact that ronald regan was president doesnt mean anything
everyone keeps complaining that they can only vote for two partys, every president does the same. Nobody asks why
when will you stop being retarded, the nsa was a thing. The have no respect for any human right, it applys to the people in other countrys where they inforce their control and it applys to the people in their own country. The biggest prison in the world

>>5448052
someone with a GED probably isn't going to do much ass busting if they couldn't even stick it out to get their free public education.
work experience literally means nothing against someone that throws a degree around, the only time work experience is taken into account is when both parties are equally educated and its needed as a tie breaker.

the main thing here is if you are paying $15 an hour you are going to take on less employees and require the ones you do take on to take on more responsibilities. They will be held to a higher standard.

I watched a mcdonalds interview happen from start to finish once while I was having lunch. The manger sat down with a woman at a table and it went like this
>nice to meet you, do you have a green card?
>yes
>welcome aboard, we can start your training tomorrow

that will be a thing of the past

>>5448044

Oh I don't disagree that a $15 minimum wage would result in higher quality fast food workers, thus displacing a lot of the people currently doing it. I'm just saying that anyone who believes fast food jobs today are only worked by teenagers and college students while everyone else who has a degree or skills is working a better job isn't living in reality.

>>5448044
Plenty of jobs. Burgers need flipped. Ditches need diggin.

Its just that everyone is 'too good' to step down off their imaginary high horses and delusions of a 'perfect life' to realize they're not a special snowflake.
They become depressed when they start to slowly realize that the world doesn't give a single shit if they succeed or not.
They screw themselves in the ass with all this school debt, because they've become disillusioned into thinking that having a degree automatically means employment, when at best its a gamble.

>>5448062
hello rambling man

>>5448069

>spend first 18 years of life constantly being told by parents, teachers and society that everyone needs to go to college
>told a degree guarantees better jobs and a living wage
>wonder why people think they're entitled to work not-shit jobs that pay above minimum wage after they graduate college

>>5446630
>self service kiosks

Fuck yes. We need more of these things. Especially at grocery stores and fast food places.

>>5448066
i dont want older uneducated people serving me
mcdonalds doesnt want less healty and energised old employees
young college students want to work for mcdonalds, there are sadly no jobs available
i wonder who is being the doughebag here

>>5448074
ask for proof
no, not that proof. I wanted proof that prooved me right
rambling man

>>5448069
I'm hoping to get into the college thing next year, after I pay off my credit card by the end of this year.
One debt at a time.
Thankfully i'm so poor that the government will pay for a good 80-90% of my schooling fees, but that 'tiny' chunk left over will still require a respectable sized loan to take care of.
Which itself will take a bit of time to pay off. (Hopefully less if my nursing degree shit actually works out)

Money has always been, and will always be the main obstacle for continued education.

>>5448065
i regularly hire people with work experience over a culinary degree for two simple reasons they work harder and know more practical skills. kids with an education think they know everything and have no idea how shit really works

and if i had to choose between someone with a GED and someone with a technology degree or something then id choose the GED chances are they can handle the heat, stress, and hard labor better

>someone with a GED probably isn't going to do much ass busting if they couldn't even stick it out to get their free public education

there are lots of reasons why someone would have a GED, some leave to work for a family business or earn money for their families, i got my so i could leave school after sophomore and go to college early and just because you have a college degree doesnt mean you can bust your ass in a physical work environment and most degrees nowadays require little more than putting the time in.

The self checkout kiosks are awesome for small purchases. But they sort of fail when your order is sizeable.

>>5448087
just typing a bunch of shit doesnt make it true

My dick is not tiny.
damn, still not true

>>5448093
I'd personally be quicker to hire the guy with the GED.
It means he's made the conscious choice to get off his ass and 'do' something with his life. He's trying to better himself.
I can respect that.

>>5448095
was rergan not a presiden?
where other countrys rights no violated?
wherent your rights violated?
what did i say that isnt true?

>>5448098
this is bait

>>5448100
its all bait

>>5448065

>work experience literally means nothing against someone that throws a degree around, the only time work experience is taken into account is when both parties are equally educated and its needed as a tie breaker.

You've got some hard lessons coming, kid. I work in HR/Management and if I have a choice between someone with a degree and someone with experience then I'll hire the person with actual experience every time.

The number of fields where a degree is more useful than experience are pretty small. If I'm hiring a manager for a new store my company is opening, do I want the guy who worked his way up to assistant manager at one of our competitors or the guy who just graduated with his business degree?

Having worked in retail with kiosks in the store, I can safely say replacing people with kiosks will be a miserable failure.
Old people don't know how to use them. There's always something the machine can't do that a cashier could, the customer doesn't understand the layout or interface, the machine is faulty or won't let them enter information and the staff don't know what's wrong half the time either.
They just don't work well enough to replace even 1/4 of the people. It's a nice alternative to alleviate some of the load so you don't need as much stuff but as a full scale replacement it's not going to work.

>>5446630
have you guys even heard of skynet?

this cannot end well

>>5448104
old people know how to use facebook now

>>5448102

Trick question

You worthless HR cocksuckers only hire the people you know, the hot girls who aren't as good at the job as other candidates or the people who you know will be lifers because they can't get a better job

>>5448114
Bitter about being to autismal to get a job? It's okay, anon, you can cry on my shoulder.

>>5448107
>mankind dominated by army of self checkout machines

>>5448120
it happened in the 80's

>protip: check out the documentary: maximum overdrive

>>5446853
and then they arrest you

>>5448308

>"Sir you are under arrest for impersonating a grocery store clerk"

lel sure whatever you say

>>5446863
>not ringing up the cheapest onions every time
Look who's the fucking retard now.

>>5446686
Yes, The grocery store I go to is all automated machine checkout after 11pm

>>5446666
nice quads

>>5446929
>$15/Hour just passed in Seattle
RIP Seattle, you were the only reason I've remained in the US for this long. I guess I'm moving to Poland when everything here doubles in price.

People can't seem to use windows 8 without freaking out and it's retard tier simple to use as an OS. They think this shit will work?

>>5448366
I'm uneducated and work shit jobs to cover my expenses. I don't work a lot, just two shifts a week.

I'm not scared of robots taking my job, but I see it as a very real possibility. And it dose make me feel fucking miserable about my own life. Getting a meaningful job is my big dream, I kind of don't care what it is, just something that a robot couldn't do better than me.

I feel like I'm part of a system that pity me, that gives me something to do, just so that I have something to do. It would probarly be easier just to give me a monthly payout to keep me afloat. Which by the way is a very real option here in Denmark.

>>5446948
Look, dude, it's basic fucking supply and demand. When there is an enormous boom in a low-population state, wages go up for everyone, even fast-food monkeys. North Dakota's economy was extremely hot for a few years due to shale-oil fracking. Therefore, unskilled monkeys got $20/hr.

Those self-same unskilled monkeys in Chicago got $8/hr, because there is an oversupply of unskilled monkeys there.

>>5448406
This. It would be a clusterfuck. Also, another effect of this would be a serious decline in standards, and I really don't think we need to lower those anymore than they already are, do you?

>>5448471
Get out of your cave, interactivitiy isn't new and even old people know how to use it just fine.

>>5447995
For a 40$ an hour wage that doesn't put you into daily contact with the screaming children, retarded and dregs of humanity.

>>5448434
Nah dude I feel the same way and I do a job that a robot can't do.

It's just that we are shit at what we do.
I honestly think in 100-200 years most jobs will be outsourced to robots and humans will be free to do what they really want to do, and that this will be much more effective than today's capitalism.

I mean I do a lot of stuff in my free time, I even make furniture, it's that I hate contacting other people and don't care enough to sell it.

>>5448479
I see you've never worked with the general public. Perhaps you should stop talking out of your ass.

>>5448487
>100-200
>and humans will be free to do what they really want to do

Yeah and I can't wait. But I fear the next 100 years, the years that I will be alive in, the transition period. Where people like me, and literally about 5.5 billion others wont have anything to do.

>>5446630
I think for that case, they might have like one person still taking orders
There will be too much of a line for everyone to want to take an in person order and the vast majority who's competent enough will use the automated kiosk

>>5448488
>I see you've never worked with the general public.
Yawn. Talked like a real jobless college drop out I guess.

>>5448104
Seconding.
Half the general public can't even figure out how to read and use the pinpad on the registers to get cash back, let alone how to use a self checkout.

Its almost painful to see them slamming the little screen with the pen over and over as hard as they can to get a button to press, while bellowing that it doesn't work.
Or the machine telling them quite loudly and in plain english to "Place the item in the bagging area"
...as they stand there holding the fucking item in their hoof, staring at me accusingly.

>>5448487
>I honestly think in 100-200 years most jobs will be outsourced to robots
The problem with this thought is that eventually the robots will be competing with humans for energy.
Do we feed people with these crops, or do we grind them up for robot oil?
Do we sell this land for housing, or do we build wireless Tesla receivers for space solar?
Do we shut down some of these robots and go back to work, or do we find a way to limit the resources the poor need?

>>5448342
This is why I love self checkout - Organic Apples at 3.99 a lb? Potatoes. Fresh Mozarella? Yellow Onions. et fucking cetera

>>5448652
>Its almost painful to see them slamming the little screen with the pen over and over as hard as they can to get a button to press, while bellowing that it doesn't work.

That's because you cheap fucks never replace the goddamm screens. If you want to use fancy touchscreens at least replace them every few years considering they're (a) made of fucking plastic and not even gorilla glass or something modern, and (b) getting poked and scratched on 16+hours a day every day for years.

But no, you'd rather keep looking at me like a retard when I try the signature pen and it's not capturing my input so I have to bear down on it to the point where I'm afraid the damm thing is going to break.

>>5447967
If you need money to support a family you shouldn't be taking a high school kid's part time job. There are plenty of jobs you can get that don't require college level education. Don't keep blaming the economy when its you that just doesn't try hard enough to look around.

>>5448675
First off, we have more than enough food for humans already. Secondly, energy sources are going to change dramatically in the future, and a renewable source will provide for the robots. In terms of land, eventually we will start building up. You've probably already seen plans of multi-story farms and greenhouses in places like Japan. I would assume our future will be skyscrapers across the board (excluding national parks?). Gotta build tall, not wide.

>>5448825
>we will have a magical renewable source
How is this even an argument?

>>5447321
>I live in california (you clearly don't seeing as you called it CALI)

you sound like a pretentious cunt.
Also, I love how you sound proud of the fact that you live in California.

>>5447653
Those bastards behind the counter can will fuck up a sandwich though

>>5448850
Not from California, but it is a beautiful state with good beer, wine, olive oil, and other agri products.

>>5448857
I do I agree that it's a nice state, probably my 4th favorite or so.

But the way he put his words together just made him sound like a snobby douche

>ooh I'm from California, we're better than you, don't you dare pretend to be from here

you know?

>>5446630

You don't generate as many jobs anymore? Say hello to wave after wave of restrictive legislation aimed at fast food chains.

>>5448850

California would be perfect if half the people who lived there fucked off and went back to wherever they came from

I'm very jealous of my grandparents because they got to live in California before it was an overcrowded mess

>>5448832
Because we already have them, they're just not being support and being held back by lobbyist that have money invested in oil. Eventually well get into a critical situation where they'll change.

>>5447893
>faster
please put the thing in the place
the thing is not in the place
please wait while the guy comes and puts the thing in the place
repeat
>make sure everything is priced correctly and not wrang in more than once
what is a receipt
>wrang in
RUNG UP retard

>>5448686
I really think the future of self-checkout is phone apps. Scan barcodes and go.

It requires the shops to accommodate and remove all fault-prone steps from the checkout, but that's overall a good thing.

>>5447321
I haven't been able to self-checkout with alcohol in los angeles or orange county

>>5448872
not the guy you're talking about but the only people I've heard call it Cali are people from out of state.
I don't really care though