/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>5403556

well no shit asshole, boiling water kills plants.

I'm ok with that, I don't use microwaved water to water my plants.

I use a microwave maybe once every 2-3 days. Have been for years. You're not gonna get me to put on a tin foil hat that easily.

>Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumours]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer in UK and America .

BS (I hope)

>>5403556
>methodology not documented beyond summary(how much water for each plant, vessel in which each amount of water was heated, etc.)
>sample size of 1
>control size of 1

Try watering your plants with water that has been boiled with conventional methods and report results...

Heating water removes oxygen that has been dissolved in the water and when you water a plant with such a water, the roots suffocate. The method of boiling makes no difference

>>5403556
>>5403562
>>5403568

Microwave ovens heat water with radio waves. There's no way radio waves can contaminate your water.

Pls, dun be dum

>>5403556
>comments are closed

Can't handle their own bullshit ehh?

Not to mention the insane amount of variables that are not checked(the dirt itself, the pots, the seeds, etc) and blame is solely placed on the water.

Crackpot site is cracked.

>>5403556
>I am a starseed, possibly from the Pleiadies or Andromeda. I am on this journey since age 3, so.. for 35 years.. and i am doing spiritual group work for over 15 years also. I enjoy poetry, music, nature, animals, joking, having fun, listening to spirit. I have connected with many star beings, from various worlds, humanoid or not. Connections happen while awake or in dream like state. Shall we expand our consciousness together.

>>5403600
lmao i dunno what you're quoting but it sounds EXACTLY like how trees talk to me on shrooms. lol.

>>5403610
it's the blogger's self-description, you can find it down the page on the right

>>5403614

I can't access the page, I have FagBlock Plus. It just redirects me to the Hooters website.

>>5403646
>it just redirects me to hooters
sweet

>>5403580
Read this you vegan organic fuck.

>>5403610
haha me too
pretty fair guess dis niggas no stranger to quarters of cubes

>microwaves corrupt the DNA in water
Oh God.

There are so many variables. Two identical seeds will sprout plants that won't grow at the same rate. Or even sprout plants at all.

>pruned back to record new growth
I don't think they're experts in pruning and know how to make it so pruning two plants keeps them exactly even.

>>5403568
They probably do, but only because most "microwaved foods" are cheap, processed junk food. If you cook a homemade meal, then reheat something in a microwave, it's not suddenly toxic and going to give you cancer.

>they microwaved blood and injected it into someone and he died so water must do the same thing

I don't know or care about the science or even logic behind the safety of microwaves. And I don't really know or care about the "experiment" in OP's post either.

BUT. I don't like microwaves, I don't feel like putting my food in them. I'm not being superstitious, or cancer scared. They just feel... unnatural to me. Much like I prefer cotton or wool to polyester and fleece. Besides that, I have never been served anything well tasting that came from a microwave. It usually ruins most food.

>>5403764
I have the same thinking. I'm building a menstrual hut for my wife and daughter to stay in during their periods. They bring bad spirits to the home.

>>5403568
This is almost certainly because "microwaved foods" means Hot Pockets full of shit that is just bad for you.

>>5403771
Yeah I know I sound like a nut. But can you at least appreciate that I don't back it up with fake science and bad conspiracies.

There are people on this board right now who think mandatory irradiation of produce is OK.

>b-b-but muh salmonella
It wouldn't be much of an issue if transporters had stricter standards on not placing meat above produce in trucks. Any other traces of food-borne bacteria would probably be killed off the normally occurring bacillus lactis. Irradiation could potentially create super-indestructible viruses/bacteria, if they some how survived the irradiation process. So, tl;dr - get fucked irradiation fags.

>>5403556
This myth has been thoroughly debunked. Mythbusters even did it.

>>5403776
As though radiation creates mutations that are impossible naturally.

>>5403776
Any large scale destruction of bacteria can do that. It's a problem with the method itself, not the tool used to accomplish it. Instead of wiping out the bacteria, it would probably be better to figure out a way to make people immune to it.

>>5403775
Yeah, you just back it up with bullshit and bad logic. Just like the people who are against "GMO" crops or "chemicals" in food because "chemicals" are "unnatural".

>>5403776
You do realize that radiation isn't like in the Godzilla movies, right?

There's nothing wrong with properly irradiated food. Nothing. It's safer, it reduces loss due to spoilage.

You're not going to create super-mecha-salmonella by irradiating it.

Suppose somehow we accidentally create super duper radiation resistant salmonella, so what? It's not going to be magically resistant to bleach.

>>5403845
>>5404736
He's saying that irradiating them could lead to creating a strain that's resistant to irradiation. I don't know how possible it is with radiation, but it happens with antibiotics.

>>5403556
God damn science ovens stealing the nutrition out of our food

EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME CUBE
WITHIN SINGLE ROTATION.
4 CORNER DAYS PROVES 1
DAY 1 GOD IS TAUGHT EVIL.
IGNORANCE OF TIMECUBE4
SIMPLE MATH IS RETARDATION
AND EVIL EDUCATION DAMNATION.
CUBELESS AMERICANS DESERVE -
AND SHALL BE EXTERMINATED.

>>5404530
Explain why non-therapeutic antibiotic use in the agriculture sector is a good thing.

>>5404758
>I don't know how possible it is with radiation, but it happens with antibiotics.
It's kind of like a species of snake developing an immunity to .50 calibre machine guns, which we all know is possible because some snakes are resistant to poisonous frogs.

>>5404825
You don't think organisms with short generation times have ever adapted to intense UV exposure?

>>5403556
It would be interesting if it was a controlled experiment with actually replicates.

>>5404830
Low UV is to ionising radiation as water pistols are to bullets. Does intense refer to wavelength or power?

>>5404843
>Low UV
Define low UV.

Melanization is a well-known adaptation to ionizing radiation and can be acquired.

>It has been known for some years that the problem with microwaved anything is not the radiation people used to worry about, it’s how it corrupts the DNA in the food so the body can not recognize it.
Isn't this like, the entire plot of "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs"?

>>5404822
Fuck, is this from some crazy ass website? I vaguely remember reading something like this somewhere.

>>5404848
>It has been known for some years that the problem with microwaved anything is not the radiation people used to worry about, it’s how it corrupts the DNA in the food so the body can not recognize it.
If DNA recognition was so important to food, you think denaturing via cooking or low stomach pH would have killed us already.

>>5403745
>DNA in water
its h2o. with minerals on the side

>>5403556
>How does /ck/ feel about this?
don't care
>How many times do you use a microwave on a daily basis?
i used mine maybe once or twice a week, either to reheat leftovers or to make couscous. everything else i cook on the stove/oven

mythbusters already did this

>>5404851
TIMECUBE.COM

>>5404762
But anon you can heat anything in them! Ravioli, lasagna, spaghetti..

>>5403764
>I'm not being superstitious
>They just feel... unnatural to me

>>5403581
this guy knows

although, I should point out that a microwave oven uses microwaves rather than radio waves. either way, light waves can't hurt water.

>>5403764
> unnatural
Microwaves are naturally occurring, you fucking momo.

The way microwaves work is that they excite water molecules causing them to generate heat.
That's it. It's probably healthier for you than cooking it over a fire.

>>5403764
would it feel unnatural to get a wisdom tooth removed and take a course of antibiotics.
Or have it become abscess, get infected, have the infection spread die which it causes a fatal fever or swelling in blood vessels.

This obviously is an extreme example. But why let cosmetic lifestyle choices limit your possibilities in anything? Sure a microwave is not a big deal in comparison to using a computer for all your recreation.

>>5405038
>It's probably healthier for you than cooking it over a fire.
Not if you're following the paleo diet!

>>5403556
It's useful when necessary. An example being frozen shit when I don't have a proper over available and still I think this is better.

Heat it up in microwave until it's warm, not ready, but warm ,that about a minute. Then the rest in a proper pan.

That's really good. If it's frozen shrimp dont tell me that I can't do that better than some retaurant given the same equipment or even home level stuff because I can and do.

>>5405040
If your dentist has a foreign name, don't trust him. I'm saying this seriously. Remember that it's up to you what to do with your own mouth. Likely it wont matter, but then again it might. If you get to a dentist, a real surgeon that doesn't have a foreign name you might be OK. If you trust someone with an indian or paki name, then that's your problem, not mine.

The point is, do research before picking someone who recommends surgery, they might have alterior motives and that's usually pakis and indians. Just sayin.

oredingl turaev

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

debunked

>>5403764
>muh appeal to nature

When you heat water you increase the total amount of water soluble substances the water can hold per unit of weight. This can be easily seen with sugar or salt. The girl boiled the non-microwaved water on the stove. From this I infer that she used a pot.
The water would have absorbed metal ions when she heated the water, calcium and other deposits especially. When she watered the plant it was obviously not still boiling, but it is reasonable to assume it would be hotter than it was from the tap, since tapwater is usually colder than room temperature.
Now iron, copper, calicum are all mineral nutrients, but the soil would already contain sufficient amounts of these. It is not so much the presence of these in the stove-boiled water that gave the plant a boost: it would be the lack of water soluble substances in the microwaved water that killed the other plant.

The microwave container could not have been made out of metal, it was most likely glass. Glass doesn't release ions, which is why you use glass vials to hold acid. This water would have absorbed nutrients from the soil instead of releasing them because the ion content of the water had not increased during boiling and the water is therefore not saturated even at room temperature. When it was used to water the plant gravity would have pulled both water and nutrients downwards.

Since it is a school experiment testing how "different types" of water affect plants, the student would probably have been inclined to water the plants more than they actually need to survive. For the stoveboiled water that wouldn't have been a problem, the water was already fully saturated and would even have released minerals if the soil was cooler than the water. The water that poured out of the holes at the bottom of the pot would have had less or equal nutrients than it had comming in.
That would not be the case for the microwaved water which would have washed the soil clean of nutrients if it was allowed to escape the pot.

>>5403556
alot of this stuff isnt true, only reason why i dont say all of it isnt true is cause i didnt bother finishing it. you have nothing to worry about unless you stand next to your microwave allll day while its on

i use mine maybe half a dozen times a year for food - more for popcorn if i buy a box... cook on a stove

>>5405079
1/2
>The water would have absorbed metal ions when she heated the water, calcium and other deposits especially.

yeah i can understand a very miniscule amount of metal ions, though probably not considering that most pots are treated, non-metalic as the final coat, or dont easily ionise. As for the calcium what the hell are you talking about when you say "calcium deposites"

>Now iron, copper, calicum are all mineral nutrients, but the soil would already contain sufficient amounts of these. It is not so much the presence of these in the stove-boiled water that gave the plant a boost: it would be the lack of water soluble substances in the microwaved water that killed the other plant.

Im pretty sure that the main thing the plants need is the nitrogen, an increase in these other things isnt likely to alter the way the plants grow

>The microwave container could not have been made out of metal, it was most likely glass. Glass doesn't release ions, which is why you use glass vials to hold acid. This water would have absorbed nutrients from the soil instead of releasing them because the ion content of the water had not increased during boiling and the water is therefore not saturated even at room temperature. When it was used to water the plant gravity would have pulled both water and nutrients downwards.

This has almost nothing to do with anything related to the topic at hand. Also, when the water is poured over the soil it will then cause the nutrients in the soil (not from the water) to ionize or dissociate, where it can the produce the things it needs to grow.

>>5405104
2/2
>Since it is a school experiment testing how "different types" of water affect plants, the student would probably have been inclined to water the plants more than they actually need to survive. For the stoveboiled water that wouldn't have been a problem, the water was already fully saturated and would even have released minerals if the soil was cooler than the water. The water that poured out of the holes at the bottom of the pot would have had less or equal nutrients than it had comming in.
That would not be the case for the microwaved water which would have washed the soil clean of nutrients if it was allowed to escape the pot.

This also makes little sense, the water is nowhere near "saturated" as you say because the amount of ions present is so miniscule (e.g. fluoride present in tap water is 1:1 000 000)


I do agree, their are a lot of variables that are undocumented, such as the amount of soil present, time of exposure to sun light, and it is a very poorly conducted experiment, but most of your points are pretty bad

>>5403571
This.

>>5405025
some use high frequency radiowaves. weird i know

>>5405047
i got fucked like that by a white dentist
>said i needed fillings
>my teeth felt fine but i was young so didnt argue.
>the fillings were done really poorly, go to another dentist to have them checked out.
> i tell him i have more scheduled for my front teeth, he looks at them
>anon you dont need fillings for those teeth, none of this is necessary
goodguy dentist is white
its better to be cautious regardless of race

>>5405127
I always get three opinions for any sort of medical work

>>5405127
Pushing brown doctors much. To each our own. I'll do my own research thank you and it likely wont result in somone from india or pakistan, that's for brits.

White or black fine, indian or paki, no, just no.

I haven't used a microwave in four years. I've found it's not really that necessary.

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

>>5405104
>As for the calcium what the hell are you talking about when you say "calcium deposites"

Calcification. You use pots to boil things and steam contains no minirals, a little cold tapwater to rinse it out does little against poorly soluable mineral deposits. If you don't have a water softening filter it does nothing. The metal of the pot isn't a major factor by itself, but metals attracts other positive ions to their large electron shells. The reason you can make metal alloys and the reason metal tends to oxidate is because metal doesn't resist impurities, it forms stable bonds with them. That doesn't stop at the surface. Glass repells impurities and it will always be cleaner than metal. Essentially the evaporation of water deposits, both boiling but more importantly any water you leave in the pot.

>an increase in these other things isnt likely to alter the way the plants grow

Agreed, as I said there is enough of these minerals in the soil. The problem is the "hole" left in the water due to their non-presence. Humans can get water poisoning for the same reason, the water sucks electrolytes out of your blood across the intestinal membranes.

>This also makes little sense, the water is nowhere near "saturated" as you say because the amount of ions present is so miniscule.

The amount of ions found in freshwater naturally reflects the amount of ions *not* found in soil. Rain pulls easily soluble substances with it down into lakes, streams, and eventually your tapwater. The water already contains everything it can get from the soil, and if it is heated in a pot it can pick up more from the pot, because those deposits came from the same water. You are right that the water is not saturated in itself, because the soil is also trying to be saturated with water. The balance between the gravitational pull and the electrical attraction and repelsion on and between atoms at work here is very complex, but entirely consistant.

>Number of test samples: 1
do you even science bro?

>>5403764
Are you scared of magnets as well, you superstitious idiot?

Same principle. In fact, the same faggots that tell you to be frightened of microwaves often tell you to wear magnets, because THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYTHING ACTUALLY WORKS.

I bet you won't walk through a graveyard at night for fear of being dragged into a grave and eaten by zombies.

>>5405261
You put them colse together and... they come alive!
They jump together, rolling and flipping if they wish!
Always the same two sides touch, they must be intellegent
They are planning our deaths! Waitting and watching!

>>5403775

Reminds me of the "Let's kill other people's kids!" movement that's gaining trajection in the US and Europe.

Though to be honest, they call themselves an anti-vaccination movement, but the effect of it is basically that they're killing other people's kids by making their own darlings carriers of diseases we've been successfully keeping in check for probably more than sixty years now.

>>5405104
>Im pretty sure that the main thing the plants need is the nitrogen, an increase in these other things isnt likely to alter the way the plants grow
Plants need more than nitrogen. N, P, K are the major macronutrients, but a lack of Cu, Fe, and other nutrients will cause deficiency symptoms.

>>5405449
kk, Im not a biologist and didnt do biology, but the chemistry is was interested me

>>5405353
Why would you think unvaccinated children would be carriers but unaffected by the disease?

>>5405025
"Micro" in microwaves just denotes a relatively shorter wavelength than "regular" radio waves.

Your microwave oven heats food by generating ~1kW of RF in the 2400-2500 ISM band.

>>5405461
I suspect he's referring to herd immunity, ie Timmy legitimately can't get vaccinated for [common childhood disease] because of his medical condition, so he has to rely on Billy, Sue and Bobby's herd immunity to stay healthy.

When Billy's dad decides that autism is caused by vaccination, he puts Timmy directly at risk and he also puts Bobby and Sue at risk because there's the chance that the disease will mutate and the vaccine will stop being effective.

>accepting an "experiment" conducted by children as fact

show me a peer reviewed, published study and maybe I'll care. Maybe.

>tfw i dont even microwave that much

>>5403771
>your face when this is commanded in Deuteronomy
>mfw under grace, not law, according to Paul of Tarsus
feels God man

>>5405542
>tfw there is no god

>>5405555

Does anyone else smell peat and iodine in here or is it just me?

>>5405564
I don't do drugs and I don't drink bourbon, all I wanna do is shake my turban!

>>5405564
what does that mean?

>>5405570
It means scotch tastes and smells like an old rubber hose.

>>5405564
Since ye mention Scotland the Brave..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3aniiKuxL8

>>5404923
Anon do you know the dangers of Dihydrogen monoxide?

that shit is so dangerous

i bet this is the same downy faget that tried to say that freezing stuff takes the nutrients out of it.

>>5403771
Pic related.

>>5405542
We are under both.
"Until heaven and earth pass away, the law shall not change." "I did not come to change the law or the prophets." "Whoever follows and teaches the law shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven, and whosoever disobeys the law and teaches others to disobey shall be called least." -Jesus Christ

>>5405555
There is most certainly a God.

>>5405613
There is most certainly no proof of a god. Get naked and dance like a crazy person, because when you die, you're gone forever.

>>5405743

>you're gone forever

there's no proof of that, either.

>>5403788
>Believing US government shills
They actually made a show to "prove" the moon landing wasn't faked

> the structure or energy of the water may be compromised by microwave.
The what

nobody microwaves water outside of the US

>>5405886
to poor to get a microwave, eurotrash?

>>5405897

>>5405503
>>5405461

Basically because we switched to repeated inoculation with smaller doses decades ago, any un-vaccinated kid is a potential carrier within a group of kids (who aren't completely immune to the carrier's infection yet).

And while the vaccinated kids generally have SOME resistance that's likely going to keep the overall infection down to a level at which it isn't going to bother their peers, the unvaccinated kid does not.

>>5405799
All the evidence points to your consciousness being in your brain. Once your brain is gone, your consciousness is gone.

Nothing in physics or biology suggests there's any such thing as a 'soul' or any way for consciousness to survive death.

So while we can't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, the only doubts that remain are in the minds of people who don't care about the preponderance of evidence.

>>5403556
0/0

I didn't even bother opening up the link for obvious reasons...

>>5405913
So vaccination is useless because it fails in contact with carriers. Uh huh.

I hate you fucking asspies repeating shit you heard from pop science fags.

>>5405025
microwaves run around the same frequency as common routers do, hence why they can cause interference.

>>5406073
damn i thought routers were radio waves and microwaevs was microwave waves... but you're absolutely right.

In short, yes. Microwave ovens typically operate in the 2.45 GHz frequency range which is almost right in the middle of the wifi range which is 2.412 GHz to 2.472 GHz. Now microwaves are generally pretty well shielded, and they don't run constantly. But if the AP or the wifi user is in close proximity, it will cause a drop in signal strength and could even disrupt the connection.

Keep in mind that microwaves aren't the only thing that can interfere with wifi. Thinks like cordless phones, bluetooth, and improperly shielded electrical outlets can also cause issues.
Source:
MBA-IA, MBA-MIS, and 20+ years of IT experience.

>>5406067

Anon, stop being dumb. Immunity isn't an on/off-system that activates after you got your shot.

We do not immunize kids completely with a single shot, but with repeated injections and through those, they slowly build up an immunity.

Slowly.

They can still get the disease during that period and their immune systems still can get overwhelmed by it. Having been vaccinated mainly makes it less likely for any random infection to catch on and helps them to battle it, which eliminated a lot of cases already, but it's likely ot fail if you're dropping a kid that hasn't been innoculated at all among them.

>>5405028
this.

when my last microwave broke, i just went to the woods and haunted me a new one. they are pretty heavy and slow so it didn't take very long.

1. Boiled water is bad for plants. No shit?

2. If you're afraid of microwaves you're a fucking moron. You're constantly exposed to radio waves. How do you think wi-fi works? Your phone? Radios? TVs?

People are fucking stupid, holy shit