/ck/ - Food & Cooking

low fat, low cal and regular exercise is all you really need to know
fit sticky has more in depth stuff
don't ever take /fa/'s advice, or even visit /fa/ for that matter

high fat low carb

don't start exercising for atleast 3 weeks, because making multiple changes to your life at once is a recipe for failure

>>5079783
wat
this interests me if you're srs

>>5079786
dietdoctor.com

>>5079780
What would be for you the good and bad fat?

>>5079783
Why?

>>5079794
meat fat is really good for you in moderation I believe
bad fat would be from greasy shit like chips and deep fried food
I try not to be scientific about it because it gets uncomfortably obsessive, just use common sense for what you think will and will not be good for you. calorie counting is pretty bitchy and again will get obsessive.

seems mom bullshit tier
>do you want great results without any effort?

>>5079797
meant to link
>>5079793

>>5079796
I'm also always debating if I should or not stop eating bread, sugar like everybody says we should when we want to lose weight.

>>5079801
I'm kind of addicted to bread but it does make me feel bloated.

>>5079801
i'd go for brown/wholemeal bread rather than white, but it's such a common food and I don't feel like the minor negatives would make enough of a difference to prevent you from losing any noteable weight so I wouldn't bother. sugar is basically the same, but if it's not going to make subject nutrient intake taste like butt then you may as well cut it out. I've been enjoying black, unsweetened coffee for the past few months and feeling pretty patrish but i'm sure it's made effectively no difference.
cutting out very clearly shitty food is enough to make a big difference, especially if it's habitual.

>>5079771
Losing weight is easy (and hard)

You already know what a balanced meal is: lots of fruits and vegetables, less meat, less fat. Don't eat food you know is junk. Don't eat when you're not hungry.

Then, start exercising. At least 30 minutes, every day.

Try to lose no more than a pound or two per week. In a year, that's 50 pounds.

>>5079801
low carb was just a fad diet. Bread is fine. Humans have been eating it for thousands of years.

Just don't eat the whole loaf.

Serving sizes on the box are your friends.

>>5079797
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

http://garytaubes.com/works/books/why-we-get-fat/

>>5079794
fat from meat is good in moderation like that guy below you said.

you should try to get the majority of your good fats from sources such as nuts, seeds, and avocados.

Bad fats are transfats. Look on the back of a label of an item before you buy it to see if it contains any "partially hydrogenated oil". Whether it's soybean oil, peanut oil, whatever; if it says "partially hydrogenated" it's a transfat.

Also general advice is to shop around the perimeter of the store, buying fresh produce, meat, and dairy. When buying things likes spreads, sauces, pastas, breads, etc. make sure you read the back of the package so you know what you're getting.

Number 1 things to cut out of your diet (if you haven't already) are: pastries, ice cream, potato chips and french fries, pretty much everything in the same "snack aisle" as you find potato chips, white sugar, butter (but don't use margarine either), and especially soda (yes, even diet soda)

Also like the guy above said, calorie counting is a bitch. Read the labels, research the calorie content of produce items, and come to a conclusion as to what a good, healthy portion size is. You don't have to measure out exactly everything that you're eating and count every calorie, just develop a general sense of how much of something you should be eating.

>>5079807
My understanding is too many carbs increases insulin resistance

insulin resistance makes you fat

While some carbs in higher amounts are fine for healthy people, once you are insulin resistant you can't really have many carbs of any type

Too many sodas and cookies during someones youth will ruin bread and potatoes for them

>>5079796
>>5079804
>>5079806
>>5079807
>>5079810
Danke! ^_^ Thanks

>>5079810
>meat fat in moderation

Only because modern farming practices causes meats to be higher in omega 6 fatty acids and lower in omega 3 fatty acids.

Wild fish, and cattle that eats grass, and poultry that eats bugs is all great for you.

>>5079810
One more thing: exercise 2-4 times a week. If you aren't used to exercising, ease in with a little calisthenics at first. Then move on to cardio stuff like treadmills, bikes and ellipticals. 2-4 might not sound like a lot, but working out less makes it easier to stick to a diet, and dieting is much more important than exercising in regards to losing weight.

>>5079819
either diet for a month before starting exercising
or exercise for a month before starting dieting

>>5079814
>too many carbs increases insulin resistance

Yes, but we're talking insane quantities. I know fat people that will eat an entire loaf of bread on their own in one or two sittings.
Colas are particularly bad because they're packed full of sugar.
A bowl of rice or a pasta dish won't hurt if it's reasonably sized.

If OP adopted a normal, healthy person's diet and exercise regimen tomorrow, weight would slowly but surely start falling off.

The only way to make a diet/weight loss actually stick is to make a permanent change to your life. If you "go on a diet" you'll start putting weight on as soon as you get off the diet, since you're not supposed to be on a diet permanently and you never learned proper eating habits or portion control.

Instead, if you just eat like a normal person you never have to change again because your diet is sustainable.

Since you can't control every single meal you have, make sure to exercise portion control when you go to a restaurant. Many restaurants, especially in america, give you double or triple what constitutes as a meal. When you go out, order something you really like, eat half of it (or less if you get full before that), take the rest home and have it for a later meal.

>>5079824
i'm a skinny dude and i'd chomp an entire loaf of bread in one or two sittings if it was healthy lol
it's so tasty and never really fills you up

How old are you, what is your height, what is your current weight? Do you lead a physically active life or are you mostly sedentary? Do you like cooking?

>>5079829
28, female, 170 lbs, 5'8. I walk a lot, but I know that it is not enough. And yes, I love cooking!

>>5079810

>fat from meat is good in moderation

Why?

>Bad fats are transfats

Which are naturally found in meat

>>5079814

Look at every population of people in the world who eat high carb, low fat diets. Carbohydrate does not make you fat, fat makes you fat. It's deposited directly as fat in your adipose cells.

>>5079824
>The only way to make a diet/weight loss actually stick is to make a permanent change to your life. If you "go on a diet" you'll start putting weight on as soon as you get off the diet, since you're not supposed to be on a diet permanently and you never learned proper eating habits or portion control.
>Instead, if you just eat like a normal person you never have to change again because your diet is sustainable.

Quite happy about this. Motivation FTW.

If we are going at it's most basic level, just measure calories. Majority of it is going to be calories consumed v. calories expended. Though I wouldn't advocate counting them manually, too much effort that eventually leads to saying screw it for many dieters. Personally I use myfitnesspal on my phone since it has a database to search by name or barcode, and guestimate with ingredients.
Most people just don't realize what they eat or how much of it they eat.

>>5079824
40% of Chinese are insulin resistant because they eat so much rice. As for anyone asking about weight loss, if they are obese they are 90% likely to be resistant.

>>5079859
>transfat
> meat

Wat

>>5079874

Trans fats are made by introducing hydrogen to vegetable oils. Animals eat vegetation and have hydrogen inside of them, making trace amounts of trans fat naturally

>>5079873

>because they eat so much rice

More likely it's the modern use of cooking oil, which impedes absorption of the glucose from the rice into muscle cells.

>>5079863
Usa
Mexico
Uk
New zealand
Egypt

All have the majority of calories from carbs
All have high obesity rates

>>5079875
> trace amounts
Trace is the key here
The majority is healthy saturated fats

>>5079879

Ah, now I see the problem. You choose to ignore fat consumption and just blame carbohydrates. In the US, "carbohydrate" means a greasy pizza, or cookies baked with whole sticks of butter, or potatoes deep fried with oil.

>>5079881

> healthy saturated fats

>>5079877
What I know is white flour, pasta, and white rice are non-foods and have been destroyed by processing. They have a higher glycemic index, little fiber, and radically lower nutritive values. The basic result in your body is like eating sugar mixed with glue – congestion, fatigue, weight gain, malnutrition.

Refined sugars are often a factor in numerous disorders.

>>5079886
As well as white rice

>>5079886

>Refined sugars are often a factor in numerous disorders.

Definitely, but insulin resistance is not caused by them. Even eating pure sugar alone isn't going to hurt your insulin sensitivity, and in fact will more likely increase it. What decreases insulin sensitivity is the inability for your body to process all of the sugar efficiently, which is caused by blood lipids impeding its absorption

>>5079863
The majority of dietary fat in adipose cells are there for short term processing. The fats in adipose cells for storage come from fats manufactured by the body. These fats are mostly manufactured from carbohydrates, a minority are manufactured from carbohydrates that were manufactured from other fats.

>>5079882
Not ignoring it. But every year fat consumption as a percentage of total diet goes down. Yet every year total caloric consumption goes up. The difference is in consumption of carbohydrates. An extra 300g per day compared to 50 years ago.

>>5079893

>The fats in adipose cells for storage come from fats manufactured by the body. These fats are mostly manufactured from carbohydrates

Not true, you can even see what types of fat a person ate by looking at the fat deposits on their body. The chemical conversion to store dietary fat as body fat costs only 3% of its calories, while carbohydrate has many mechanisms that inhibit it from becoming fat, such as conversion to glycogen to fuel muscles and store in the liver, or even thermogenesis, and in rare cases when de novo lipogenesis occurs the conversion cost is 30% of the calories

>>5079891
Insulin resistance is directly related to insulin production. The more insulin produced the more likely your cells are to become resistant.

Insulin production is directly related to carbohydrate consumption. The more carbs consumed the more insulin is produced.

Dietary fiber slows the absorption of carbs By increasing the amount of fatty acids that freely travel in your blood.

>>5079900
Only within 4 hours of a meal. After 4 hours we cannot determine dietary fats because they have been processed and removed

why do you have to post gay stuff on here bad enough we have to live on the same planet as them

>>5079917

I can't finding any information on that

>>5079858
ok, so you don't need to lose a ton of weight. I am guessing about 20 lbs max? Cut out added sugar for a while, don't substitute it with artificial sweeteners. Count your calories. You should probably be aiming for 1200 - 1700 calories a day if you want to lose weight. It will come of slow, maybe two lbs or so a week, but it will be easier to maintain the weight loss.

I am running late and I will check back with the thread later if you have questions and I will try to answer them, but
http://www.nourishingourchildren.org/Pyramid.html

is essentially the way I eat (except not raw milk). I have had weight loss success ( 40lbs last year) and it is pretty easy. You pretty much eat whole foods and avoid diet and prepackaged stuff. but watching your calories and avoiding sugar for a little while is really going to help. Oh and stay active, that helps too.

>>5079956

>http://www.nourishingourchildren.org/Pyramid.html

The only good advice there is organic vegetables, grains, and fruit. The rest of that shit you don't want unless you can get clean, unpolluted fish from somewhere. Other than that, legumes like lentils and chickpeas, black beans, brown rice, nuts like walnuts and pistachios, and berries are good food

>>5079956
>>5079965

You can always tell an industry shill by the way they promote eggs by saying "it has lutein and xeazanthin to promote healthy eyes!" as if eggs aren't the shittiest source of these compounds. One spoonful of spinach has as much of those things as 9 eggs. Kale has even more.

>>5079807
we have not been eating bread for thousands of years! how the fuck do our early ancestors dry, grind and then bake bread in bread pans no no no its not a regular staple of our diet and our bodies can't digest it properly because of that. Jesus fucking Christ

>>5079972

>how the fuck do our early ancestors dry, grind and then bake bread in bread pans

Wheat was the staple food of people living on the Nile. If the Egyptians could build giant pyramids and monoliths and develop technology to lift and carve through massive stones that we still today would have trouble with, I don't think it's unlikely they knew how to grind some grains and put it next to fire

>>5079936
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1470.long

Any study after 4 hours only looks for n3 n6 n9 acids because those are what are stored. Dietary fats will range from 2 to 24 bonds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/472505.stm

>>5079972

>>5079965
yes nuts and legumes are fine, I eat them. I usually soak the legumes though. That was the closest link I could find to the way I eat. I I was running out the door and wanted explain what worked for me without taking up twelve posts. Pastured meats, eggs, and milk is fine too. I don;t know why that lady didn't mention the meats. (she does things a little differently than I do, I guess) .

As far as bread goes. I don't care for most commercially available one. lots of crap piled into them and sugar too. I really like ezekiel bread, sprouted tortillas, and even baking my own stuff using white whole wheat flour. I try not to make grains the majority of my diet. Maybe two or three servings a day.
>>5079971 eggs are awesome though, little pods of nutrition. we eat quite a bit of them.

>>5080017

>eggs are awesome though, little pods of nutrition

More like cholesterol death bombs.

>>5080068
Oh lord, what a faggot your parents made

>>5080077

You've certainly made a strong point for why eggs aren't bad.

>>5080110

Do you need it spelled out for you?

This isn't 1990 anymore. We now know that dietary cholesterol (e.g. the cholesterol in the food you eat) has little if any affect on your body's serum cholesterol. In other words, your body's cholesterol level has little to do with how much cholesterol you consume. Your serum cholesterol is made by your liver, it does not come from diet. You can eat all the eggs you want, the cholesterol will not hurt you.

>>5080124
Just because dietary cholesterol does not directly translate into serum cholesterol does not mean that dietary cholesterol is not bad for you.

>>5080128

so how is it bad for you?

>>5080124
>>5080142

Hey egg industry shill, nobody's talking about blood cholesterol, we're talking about the adverse effects of dietary cholesterol in the body

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21076725

>Diet is not just about fasting cholesterol; it is mainly about the postprandial effects of cholesterol, saturated fats, oxidative stress and inflammation. A misplaced focus on fasting lipids obscures three key issues. Dietary cholesterol increases the susceptibility of low-density lipoprotein to oxidation, increases postprandial lipemia and potentiates the adverse effects of dietary saturated fat. Dietary cholesterol, including egg yolks, is harmful to the arteries

Egg consumption has been shown to contribute to atherosclerosis almost as much as smoking cigarettes

>>5080164
I smell vegan faggotry afoot.

>>5080169

Me too. Fucking faggot vegans and their science. Why do they always have to be right? Just let me enjoy the foods I like and pretend it's good for me, fucking dicks.

>>5080169
>bait meme
>faggotry
I smell genuine /b/ faggotry. Don't leave your board, cunt.

>>5080178
>>5080183
Here go the vegan brigade with their insults and scare tactics. Eggs are not unhealthy for you. In fact, they contain extremely beneficial nutrients. Like with anything else, moderation is key.
"Dr. Thomas Behrenbeck, a cardiologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., wrote in a blog, "Although eating too many eggs can increase your cholesterol, eating four egg yolks or fewer on a weekly basis hasn't been found to increase your risk of heart disease.""

Stop being huge cocksucking faggots, you cocksucking faggots. Take your smegma lipped vegan slush mouths somewhere else.

>>5080206

>muh moderation
>it's not unhealthy, just eat as little of it as possible!

Yeah, that's basically it's not good for you

Always funny to see egg industry apologists try to justify their bad habits by just telling you to eat less of it, while not realizing the irony of what they're saying

>>5080164
>dietary cholesterol is harmful to arteries

bullshit. Cholesterol is the body's mechanism for repairing arterial damage. This study even links research that injecting rabbits with cortisone to lower inflammation lowers cholesterol levels. Cortisone is a synthetic cholesterol.

Then they show research that obese people are more likely to have heart attacks. Which they link with obese people being more likely to consume eggs more than once a week. No shit sherlock! They are also more likely to eat everything more than once a week.

>>5080223
When I was a lad I ate four dozen eggs
Ev'ry morning to help me get large
And now that I'm grown I eat five dozen eggs
So I'm roughly the size of a barge!

>>5080206

>cigarettes aren't unhealthy for you, just smoke them in moderation. The oldest woman that ever lived smoked cigarettes, that proves it

Lots of water and lots of fiber. A good big poop always flattens out my tummy.

>>5080223
Yes, you fucktard, moderation. Even things that are considered immeasurably healthy are bad for you in excess. You sound like a sad sack with no self control who has to just deny themselves things because they can't control themselves, fucking twat.

>>5080228

>Cholesterol is the body's mechanism for repairing arterial damage.

That's not dietary cholesterol, that's blood cholesterol. Blood cholesterol is something you can't not have regardless of what you eat, but ideally you want low levels of LDL and you want to keep your cholesterol from oxidizing, which causes plaque build-up. Dietary cholesterol promotes LDL oxidation.

>>5080258

>Even things that are considered immeasurably healthy are bad for you in excess

The difference, and I'll use the water example because that's what everyone tries to use, is to make water unhealthy you need to drink several gallons in a few minutes, so much water that your body can't even process it all at once. Meanwhile 1 egg a day is enough to increase risk of many health problems. This is why we call it unhealthy.

Now I'm more confused than ever. ITT:
>food pyramid is bullshit
>calories in/out is bullshit
>low carbs is bullshit
>high fat is bullshit

So... what is it? Anyone have actual sorces?

i has a question about the 2500 calories a guy is meant to consume a day.

does that assume you do nothing but sit on your ass all day? ie 2500 calories allows you to simply 'exist' or does it assume you walk a few miles a day

>>5080258

>You sound like a sad sack with no self control

The guy who can't give up unhealthy foods has more self control than the guy who can?

>>5080271
Lose weight: eat fewer calories.
Exercise: can help supplement weight loss but its main benefit is cardiovascular.
Nutrition: In addition to just calories health can be improved by changing diet, especially cutting out refined sugars and flours. Eat whole foods, a lot of fruits and vegetables, probably less meat.

>>5080271
dietdoctor.com

>>5080274
2500 is what they put on the box because it is an easy number.

most men need between 2400and3300 calories, but the politicians thought that putting a higher number would lead smaller people to overeat.

Nowadays they don't even put 2500 on the box anymore, just the female 2000. (2100-2600)

>>5080260
but dietary cholesterol doesn't into the bloodstream?

please explain

>>5080276
Eggs are not unhealthy, you fool. The problem is that you're stupid.

>>5080276

reminds me of this kid we used to hang out with who we caught sucking some guy's dick one time when we went to his house without telling him we were coming and he got all defensive and was like "you guys are the gay ones because if you don't get dick-sucking out of your system every once in a while you'll be thinking about sucking dicks all the time"

didnt know how to explain that literally none of us had the urge to suck dicks ever

>>5080314

Cholesterol is made by your body from saturated fat, you can't incorporate pre-made cholesterol into your own. Cholesterol also worsens the effects of saturated fat, so a breakfast of either bacon or eggs alone aren't as bad as a diet of bacon and eggs together

>>5080271
i looked over the thread and didnt see anyone say explicitly calories in/calories out is invalid.

in terms of thermodynamics its true and is not bullshit. you WILL lose weight if you run a calorie deficit.

the "intervening variable" which is debatable and the concern of people here is what portion of that weight will be fat loss vs muscle tissue loss. this gets into the physiology of lipolysis, or commonly 'burning fat.' the various diets out there such as ketogenic diets exploit certain triggers or mechanics of lipolysis or the human body's metabolism more generally (lipolysis is just one aspect of metabolism). arguably, someone running a calorie deficit with a carbohydrate-rich diet will lose fat at a slower rate than someone running the same deficit on a keto diet.

it sounds like you need some reading to do to begin to grasp what people are debating. i'd like to point you somewhere in particular but unfortunately ive mostly learned what i know through wikipedia and links from the /fit/ sticky.

>>5080339

>the "intervening variable" which is debatable and the concern of people here is what portion of that weight will be fat loss vs muscle tissue loss

And also the digestion and use of the calories from different food sources. Not every calorie is used. If you drank a bottle of olive oil, you wouldn't wake up the next day 10 pounds fatter, you'd shit most of it out. The same concept happens with other foods, like nuts, where the fiber content clings to some of the fat and you end up taking less calories from it than you would expect.

>>5080346
wouldn't that be factored into the calorie content on the label or no

>>5080339
>thermodynamics
Actually that is the only case where it is bullshit
Our bodies are not furnishes, we do not burn food. we use nutrients like building blocks. But calories correlates nicely, so we use it.

>>5080326
that doesn't explain the oxidation part

>>5080351

Fiber usually is, but the absorption of the food isn't accounted for. Back in the olden days, they measured the calorie count of food by burning it and using it to heat water. That model isn't indicative of how our bodies process it, so now they just measure the macronutrient content (4 calories per gram of carbohydrate, 4 calories per gram of protein, 9 calories per gram of fat) and use that as a rough estimate of what to expect from the food.

The best example is the difference between cooked food and raw food. The use of fire to cook food was a big deal back in the day because it made food more digestible, giving us more access to the calories.

Find this and try to use

>>5080266
Funny, because my uncle drinks about 24 liters of water a day due to an addiction and has quite a lot of problems with his organic functions and general healthiness.

>you need to drink several gallons in a few minutes

Read the sticky on /fit/

For your meals, more lean protein like chicken, turkey, tuna etc..
More fibrous veg, broccoli, asparagus, and the like.
Less fat.
Daily calorie intake should be roughly
Protein:Carbs:Fat
50%:30%:20%

Google TDEE and count calories

Good luck

>>5080484

>more lean protein like chicken, turkey, tuna etc...

Even leaner would be legumes and beans, and they'd come with more fiber and antioxidants as well

>>5080496
First off, they're trying to hit a 20% fat intake.

Secondly, they're not aiming to kill themselves through food-boredom.

Thirdly, there's no reason you can't eat both meat and protein-rich vegetables.

>>5080502

>they're trying to hit a 20% fat intake.

Even more reason to eat leaner protein and make room for good fat sources like nuts and seeds

>>5080526
Expensive, not satiating, and will not help you lose weight any more than meat sources.

>>5080533

Are you talking about the legumes or the nuts? A legume-based diet is already satiating as fuck and extremely cheap and healthy, a $9 bag of walnuts will last you over a week and are just a general healthy addition to any diet. Studies have shown that nuts are actually very good for burning fat, thanks to its L-arginine content and likely other polyphenol compounds

>>5080526
meat fat=best fat

Just don't eat so freaking much, add more fruits and veggies and cut out fast food. I dropped 40lbs and have kept it off for about a year now.

>>5080585
I don't even eat a lot. The only fat I have is the belly, which is mostly swollen/bloated and water retention more than fat, said the doctor and gastroenterologist. I have mostly one meal a day because i'm almost never hungry, but I do know it is not good for a diet. So everything here in this thread does help.

>>5080777
this is going to sound silly but have you tried eating yogurt daily? or some other probiotic? my spouse has been suffering from gastrointestinal problems since childhood. We added lactofermented vegetables and other probiotics to our diet and the problem is all but gone.

>>5079771

Potassium cyanide.

>>5079771
>>eat
low calories and things with fiber and volume (it fills you up) good example: Brussle sprouts.
>>not to eat.
Calorie dense foods: butter, marbled meat, most pork.
>>what do
Exercise

you can diet on mcdonalds if you watch your diet and eat what your body needs and not more. but for most people this is easier with calorie sparse foods.

>>hard mode
eat small ammounts of calorie dense foods and unlock a bonus: fuller faster.

>>5080785
I'm lactose intolerant, but I saw that they are now having probiotics (from Bio-K) that are not made of dairy, like soy or rice. I have the same problems as your spouse, with irritable bowel syndrome. But i'll check this out for sure, I think this could help.

>>5080789
>Potassium cyanide


Not even funny. Better luck next time!

>>5080795
buy some bubbies pickles at whole foods, they are fermented in a brine instead of vinegar and my spouse loves them. you can also get kombucha or make it yourself. Water kefir is pretty easy to make and you can flavor it so it tastes like anything you want.

>>5080831
pretty much this i'd say

>>5080831
Bubbies pickles are amazing.

>>5080803

Since when am I funny?

>>5080851

>>5080795
You can eat lactofermented pickles or sauerkraut, as long as they have not been pasteurised. These are the items you find refrigerated in the grocery store. You have to read the label to make sure the bacteria are live. Drink the brine too!

>>5080851

fuck off idiot

>>5080863

Solve more captchas!

Eat what ever you want. Just down 2 large glasses of water 10 minutes before a meal. It will curb your appetite.

>>5079771
You can lose weight by eating 1000 calories of Twinkies a day if you are expending 2000 calories doing exercise/daily routine.

It's honestly about calories in and calories out.

If you eat more calories than your body burns you will gain weight (either fat or muscle depending on if you exercise) if you eat less calories than you use you will lose weight.

That really is the bottom line.

Calculate your calorie deficit and orchestrate your meals around the a healthy deficit, usually 500 calories.

>>5080881
drop the trip NOC, I ask you kindly.

>>5080914
Thanks.

>OP asks for diet advice
>shitload of advice later
>turns out she usually eats one meal a day
>"the only fat on my body is my belly, hurr"

Do some goddamn crunches, OP. You don't need to lose weight.

>>5080924
Well maybe the diet advice could help lose my belly as much as being healthier!?

>>5080795
along with probiotics/and beneficial ferments
this may be helpful to you http://mindfulmealsblog.com/2013/11/20/intro-fodmaps/ also look into the benefit of "bonebroths" http://ohlardy.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-benefits-of-bone-broth ohlardy has a nice recipe for one. I really hope you find a solution, it sounds miserable.

>>5080924
BTW the fat is everywhere, just concentrated on the belly. Kthanksbye.

>>5080942
Thanks! :) Looks like I got ideas for recipes.

>>5080924
>>>5080924
>implying you can spot reduce fat

it doesn't work that way. you lose overall fat, it comes off where it wants to come off. people distribute it differently, its how you are born. some people carry it nice and evenly distributed, some people carry all their fat in their belly.

op you have to lose fat overall for the belly to go.

>>>/fit/

SS+GOMAD

I'm dieting too. Dieting opinion is profuse with bullshit. Here's mine.

Google your basal metabolic rate.

A pound of fat is 3500 calories. Eat 500 cals a day less than BMR to lose 1 pound a week. 1000 cals less a day to lose 2 pounds.

Make sure you eat protein. You want your body to burn fat and not your muscle. protein is the most important macronutrient when you are dieting.

Count calories. Your ability to estimate is wrong.

Write a daily meal for your chosen calorie limit and stick to it.

Dieting is hard. It is especially hard in the first few weeks as you transition onto the diet. It gets a bit easier than that but is never easy.

You can do it.

It also seems to take a long fucking time so get used to the long haul.

I generally advise a 1200 calorie a day plan as my ~800 calorie diet is hard and miserable, and hard to stick with when exposed to feeders who buy a lot of food.

When you have reached your diet goals your journey is not over. Use your new skills to determine a new maintenance diet at your new BMR.

Good luck.

Mostly or all plant foods. Anti-inflammatory ones especially.

Low-carb diets work for quick weight loss, but it's not healthy.

You can lose weight quick with healthy foods too.

The Eat To Live diet is the smart way to lose weight. You don't have to sacrifice your health.

You focus on these foods:
Greens, beans, onions, cooked mushrooms, berries, seeds.

(G-BOMBS)

It won't only help you lose weight, it will make you feel better too which is best for long term health and weight management.

http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article17.aspx

Good luck. :)

>>5079879
>from carbs
bullshit
I live in NZ and the obese people are this way because of massively overconsuming fat, sugar and food in general

>>5080473
>water addiction
whatttt
how do you develop a physical addiction to such an ingredientless compound

i suggest you eat lots of vegetables and fruits and nuts and some grains. i suggest eliminating meat, eggs, and dairy. do this and you will be on a path to purity.

>>5081302
Psychical dependence, not physical.

Eat. Not too much. Mostly plants.

>>5081295
not according to every diet study out of your country. 50% or more of your diet(on average) comes from carbohydrates.

>>5081295
Sugar is a carbohydrate.

Look up keto diet
Op space your meals out to 5 times a day and try to limit the amount of carbs and calories after 1500 the body will use the fat for energy depends on how much fat you have it you will lose a lot of water weight fast

>>5079912
huh, so thats why fiber is good for you.
SCIENCE

>>5079771
Eat a 9mm sandwich. You'll lose weight real fast, as the blood pours out of you

>>5082275

That's not the only reason fiber is good though. Fiber also lowers cholesterol by binding to it and carrying it out of your body through your shit, and it can also be used to form short-chain fatty acids that feed the helpful bacteria in your digestive tract

>>5079771
read the fucking sticky

>>5082607

Fuck off idiot

>>5079771
high protein, modest fat, low carbs.

burn more calories than you eat. if you like low calorie foods like celery and broccoli and leafy greens be sure to incorporate a lot into your diet.

you cant spot reduce off of your belly. you just have to lose weight until youre happy with yourself.

have a cheat meal once every few weeks to keep yourself from going off the rails

This thread is way to fucking long to read since I pretty much just got here.

I figure the basic is to burn more calories than you take in and you will lose weight. ie...if you really want to lose weight, you need to exercise, at least somewhat to offset what are taking in.

Of course fat intake is an issue too...as with carbs (to a lesser degree I guess). But no matter what causes the most fat gaining....exercise coupled with a healthy diet is the only way.

You don't have to cut out all your favorite foods for good, you can still partake in some not-so-healthy stuff if you keep it to a minimum.

My dad is in better shape than me and he's in his mid 60s. He was a marine for about 34 years though, haha. He still eats shit like pepperoni pizza or whatever else. He just doesn't do it all the time, and he runs or at least walks for about an hour every day.

Good luck OP!

>>5082693
*runs for at least...

>>5082663
Well, high protein if you're working out right? My understanding is that all that protein will convert to fat if you (extreme example) are taking a bunch of workout protein supplements and then just sit on 4chan all day.

>>5079771
just eat all natural.
nuts berries fruits vegetables beans

avoid additives in your food.

ask your doctor before doing anything

>>5082706
read the ingredient labels always.

>>5082706
I dunno, there are plenty of people that are in good shape that don't only eat organically. I'm no expert but I have sort of likened the organic only diet to other diet fads.

True this was only once out of many times buying corn on the cob, but here is some organic corn I bought. hehe

>>5082710
the whole point to eat organic is to avoid gmo varieties full of horrible stuff.

its important to eat all natural, but then if your going to eat all natural, you might as well eat organic whenever possible so that you avoid the bad stuff.

I am not a doctor. Ask your doctor before doing anything.

>>5082825
>its important to eat all natural
no it isn't lmao
"processed" is effectively a meaningless word
you can't artificially create nutrients

>>5082710

the benefit you may see from eating organic is that you're avoiding processed foods which generally have a lot of added sugar, fat, and sodium

but really just eat less PROCESSED food, whether it's organic or not, if weight loss is your goal

if you are just completely out of shape I highly recommend you browse over to /fit/ and get them to set you up with a basic weights/resistance routine

yes in the long term it's cardio that burns calories but

in the very short term, if you are weakling-tier, building all of that initial muscle will burn energy like a motherfucker

don't starve yourself while you're doing it though or you will surely get injured

>>5082839
>"processed" is effectively a meaningless word
>you can't artificially create nutrients

you can process food so that it is more palatable to plebs and has longer shelf life by pumping it full of sugar, corn syrup, fat and salt

those are things that make processed food unhealthy - processed is not a meaningless word, it's referring to that shit

>>5082858
Shut the fuck up; processing food usually aims to preserve it, and that involves adding salt and fat sometimes. However, if you're grouping things like canned veg and jarred tomato sauce with junk food, you need to close your fucking case.

natural≠healthy.

>>5082839

angsty reddit atheist detected

>>5079771
Join Weight Watchers and eat whatever you want.

I'm down 67 lbs in 7 months. No exercise.

High protein and a lot of good fats (poly and mono unsaturated). Carbs are good if you plan on exercising a lot, but avoid refined sugars. Studies link high protein, low calorie diet with building muscle, and when you lose weight you'll lose more fat than muscle mass if you increase your protein intake. If you aren't a meat fan, beans, eggs, and nuts are a fantastic source of proteins and good fats as well as other vital nutrients.

>>5082374
>fiber lowers cholesterol by binding to it

I thought fiber lowered cholesterol by lowering blood sugar levels, which lowers irritation within the arteries, which lowers the need for your body to produce as much cholesterol

>>5082839
Exactly. Everything we eat comes from the earth.

>>5082700
Pretty much only in the extreme example. Proteins primary use is muscle repair and maintenance. It just sits in your blood cycling around waiting to be used. Each pass through the kidneys removes a bit of protein so a portion will get pissed out. Some of the protein will also be sweated out, but I'm not sure about the path that takes.

Other excess protein will be turned into glucose by the liver. This glucose is used to help break down the fat intake from your meal. Or fat from your body stores.

Only once your liver is full with protein parts and busy converting fats will the body turn excess protein into fat. Also any excess glucose from the liver will also be turned into fat.

>>5082246
Rather sugar is a shortened form of carbohydrate like proteins vs amino acids.

>>5082864

jarred tomato sauce is usually pumped full of sugar though so actually it is unhealthy garbage so why are you so mad and wrong and mad though

natural≠healthy, but processed food is on the whole generally much less health than food you make at home out of unprocessed foods.

yes there are some processed foods that are fine but in general, avoiding processed foods is a useful heuristic for maintaining a healthy diet.

>>5083348
>proteins are shortened amino acids
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