/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>4853774

troll threads are in direct violation of rule #1

>>4853786

I guess it's easier to be vegan around vegans.

>>4853789

I really have to seduce Moot.

>>4853786
>>4853797

Kill to eat, or to avoid being eaten. It is the law of the Jungle.

I eat a plant-based diet, but I don't care about using animals for leather.

if you just ignore him he will go away

report, hide, move along

this is now a lentil pie thread

>>4853786
>>4853797


Future customers

Been vegan for about 5 months now, best thing I ever did. So much more energy, and feel cleaner.

>>4853939
Yeah, I've been vegan for 2 years and it's probably the most detoxifying thing i've ever done.

>>4853951
Yeah, ever since I fully accepted the glory of Allah my life has been so much richer and more fulfilling.

>>4853857

That doesn't look like a pie.

>>4853939
>>4853951
>>4853987

That's cool, but this one thread is about dishes you made and photographed. Not ethics, pros and cons, etc.

focis

>>4853774

In other news, I herd from unofficial sources Sceak's boyfriend sent him a message yesterday. This is a poutine our lord and savior – the glorious Sceak – made. Entirely vegan, and it was pretty tasty...or so I herd.

Reposting this because shit was delicious.
Vegan apple pie with cider caramel sauce.

>>4854037

>Vegan apple pie

Pretty much all apple pies are vegan.

>>4854030
that picture actually put a knot in my stomach

>>4854042
hm true. redundant word was superfluous. Still delicious tho

>>4854030
That looks like my cat vomited on a plate of fries after eating a lizard. Really. Looks just like it.

Had this the other day. French potatos with cream 'cheese' a huge ass salad, german pumpkinseed/carrot-bread and garlic butter, topped with carrots, bits of apple and some marinated tofu.

>>4854086
god damn it so many potatoes
must be nice to ingest so many kcals without fear

It's okay to eat fish because they don't have feelings.

>>4854271
Or fur. You shouldn't eat furry animals. Fish are ok because they're cold hearted scaly bastards. Hmm, maybe it's ok to eat birds too Nasty pecking taloned savages.

>>4854271
>they aren't animals because I say so

>>4854284
What about badgers? They can be real faggots.

>>4854271

Kurt, is that you?

>>4854284
Chickens are evil, don't forget that. Not enough for a life of suffering but enough for a delicious death.

>>4854261
what's there to be afraid of? taters be good for ya. I hail from the land of potatoes, I could not imagine a life without them.

>hot mashed potatoes with a hint of nutmeg eaten with cold sweet applesauce
>ultimate comfort food

>>4854271
recent evidence says otherwise.
>>4853951
>detox
ugh.

Terrible pic op.

Todays dinner. I couldn't decide on what to make, so I just made a bit of everything.

>>4854559
vegan sushi with marinated tofu, bell pepper and cucumber. I love eating that shit almost as much as I suck at rolling it.

>>4854563
delicious taters

>>4854568
tiny stuffed bell peppers with leftover tofu

>>4853774
What a shitty thread over all. No one even mentioned any recipes, not OP, and not any so-called vegans.

I personally don't usually buy meat, but will eat it when it's about. I treat it like a dessert, not a staple.

I learn from youtube :(

RECIPES:

>I've sliced up zucchini into "noodles". I made a cilantro sauce for the top, but that was an awesome recipe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQJzK4P8N5U&list=PL7Hvi6LUJ-5xM3jgE7UIGECR3ODhX6VGc&index=4

>Grilled Veggie Pasta Salad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9nQNJoVUc&list=PL7Hvi6LUJ-5xM3jgE7UIGECR3ODhX6VGc

>Pilaf is always nice. I've started getting vegetable stock from the Asian market, which is always lovely.

>Speaking of the Asian market, go get fresh noodles and begin combining with everything. Enjoy.

>Last but not least, rice. I usually go get random veggies I'm not familiar with, stir fry, enjoy. But mostly I get bok choy, cabbage, mushrooms, and onions together.

>>4854574
and for desert puff pastries with plum jelly.
Thank you, internet. You are the only reason I even try to make my food look nice.

>>4854559
>>4854563
Assuming those chopsticks are for the sushi
fucking pleb

>>4854613
You shut your disgusting hipster mouth, anon. I'll eat my sushi with a bloody spoon if I feel like it.

>>4854559
Please tell me you fed several people with this.

>>4854559
Honestly, that's the tastiest looking vegan food I've seen in my life.

>>4854623
Nope, all mine. Didn't manage the stuffed peppers though. It's not quite as much as it looks, because the plates appear bigger than they are.
Still, one of the perks of veganism I suppose. As long as it's more or less healthy I can eat as much as I want.

>>4854630
why, thank you.

>>4853774
brocolli and onions, sauted in bacon grease.

fuck you op. thats a loaded question.

>>4854559
please eat all by yourself. Vegan = no guilt.

>>4854292
Yeah we should eat those pricks. Mongooses too.

>>4854296
They are birds, so by definition they are bastards and deserve everything they get.

>>4854578
The recipe in the second video sounds awesome, but holy shit is that girl annoying. Still, gonna try that

>>4853857
>liquidshit.jpg

>>4853951
I'm trying to go vegan, but scared I'm going to sound like you when I succeed

>>4854296
Lies, falsehoods and trickery. Chickens are sweet, friendly animals that make great pets. You haven't lived until you've had a chicken feel so safe around you that it fell asleep in your lap.

>I eat chicken anyway, it's delicious

Sorry, I'm not vegan (just vegetarian) but I've heard, they smell better, than people who consume animal food, is that true?

What is fucked up is not eating meat, but eating industrial food, vegs included.

I laugh at faggots buying vegetrian shit at the supermarket.

>>4855486
I'd like to think that my sweat smells less awful than it did before, but I'm not sure if that's actually true. You're supposed to smell more attractive to the opposite sex too, but that's mostly pheromones and you won't be able to detect that consciously.
The most noticeable difference is the way your shit smells. It's not better per se, just very, very different. The smell also doesn't linger as much. You'll make up for that by being gassy as fuck though, especially if you eat a lot of raw stuff.

>>4854886
Chickenfucker.

>>4854030

I don't think he's going to make it.

>>4855533
Last time I went to whole foods this old lady in front of me in the checkout bought half conventional and half organic. I literally laughed in that whores face.

>>4855677
And this, THIS, is the #1 reason not to go vegan, kids. If you do, your brain rots and you start describing your bowel movements to people.

Recaptcha: Seasonable Porkon

>>4853875
>implying implications

>>4855766
This guy is probably stuffing his fat face with a breakfast pizza right now.

>>4855677
>The most noticeable difference is the way your shit smells.

This. After 2 years of being vegan, it's crazy to think but my shit smells and looks almost exactly like fresh soil.

>>4855774
Thank you for proving my point. And it's not breakfast time on this side of the planet.

>>4855782

>implying breakfast pizza isn't a delicious anytime snack.

>>4855774
you'd love my vegan breakfast pizza, anon

Made cashew cheese last night, was incredible. My wife didn't know it wasn't dairy and said, "Wow, this is the best cheese I've had in a long time, where did you buy it?"

>>4855956
recipe?

>>4855968
seconded.
Also, hurry up I'm about to head out for grocery shopping. I want to try this as soon as possible.

>>4855956
I'm not a vegan (fuck you guys), but I do wish you'd give the recipe, because I'm allergic to dairy and really want to make this.

>>4856078
protip
vegans post shit like this all the time to try to convert people to veganism. it never happened.
how the fuck would someones wife not know their partner is vegan?
>My wife didn't know it wasn't dairy
yeah right

>>4856074
4ch won't let me post the link 'cause it's to a blog. Just google "cashew riccotta cheese"

>>4856109
thank you very much!
I'm off. Pictures of dinner shall be posted later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ZwJiK0fJ0

>>4856115
I can vouch for cashew cheese, had it on a pizza once in Berkeley and it was the best pizza of my life.

>>4856101
This guy knows what's up.

>>4856148
well, cashews be soaking now, really looking forward to this. I've had almond feta before, which was rather nice but far too much work, since it needs to drain in a cheesecloth overnight and has to baked afterwards.

While shopping I discovered that these fuckers were vegan. Holy shit, I had no idea! I always assumed there was egg or something in the, so I never bothered to check, but fuck yea. This is more awesome than the day I found out about oreos. Manner wafers are the shit.

>captcha and eggstles
>damn right captcha, damn right.

>>4856109
have you ever tried tofu ricotta? it's pretty good. i even use it with some adjustments to make tofu scramble. it's just nutri yeast, salt, and garlic powder. Probably the easiest way to make tofu palatable

>>4856268
Tofu + nutritional yeast + garlic + salt = awesome vegan scrambled eggs too.

>>4856598
add some curcuma for color. It will also give the whole thing a bit of an egg-yolky taste which is awesome.

serious question- with all the delicious natural foods that could constitute a vegan diet, why do so many insist upon using nasty meat alternatives?

there is literally a whole world full of natural foods which have no relation to animals and could constitute a balanced, and (more importantly) delicious diet.

Vegan food either looks/tastes like shit, looks/tastes like a poor imitation of meat, or is a foodstuff that was already meat/eggs/dairy-free to begin with, but still required an animal's effort to make

fuck yeah
xVEGANx forever

feast your eyes on this
http://www.thisrawsomeveganlife.com/2013/03/raw-lasagna-with-cashew-cheese-and.html#.UlSLVlP6O8B

>>4856654
>pork
cook for several minutes, add salt and oil. serve with a side of carbs.
>fruit/vegetables
eat raw without adding SHIT

I'm not even vegan

>>4856692
>xVEGANx forever
Don't Srsly, just don't.

lasagna roll thingy does look nice though. But I'm a fan of zucchini pasta anyway

>>4856109
riccotta cooling in the fridge now. I already tried some and it wa delicious, but still warm which was a little off putting. Gonna be amazing when it's cold. Thanks again for sharing!

>>4856654
I find most vegan foods are just fruit, nuts, vegetables, and fungi. The terribly processed crap you are speaking of is for poser vegans. Aside from that, ALL processed stuff, vegan or not, is human pet food crap you shouldn't be eating anyway..

>>4856648
>serious question- with all the delicious natural foods that could constitute a vegan diet, why do so many insist upon using nasty meat alternatives?

If you mean like fake bacon, fake sausage, and that sort of thing, I'd hazard a guess that it appeals to people who grew up eating the real meats, so it's a familiar texture and flavor that they like. If you mean things like fried tofu or seitan, I think its resemblence to meat is more or less incidental...nothing against beans or wheat, but it's nice to consume them in different form factors with different cooking properties than just regular beans & whole grains.

>>4856703
>picking a single ingredient

Yeah, I think he meant dishes ya fuckjaw.

>>4856730

I really really don't get what the issue with 'meat substitudes' is. I can understand if you avoid them if you're a vegan for health reasons, because some of that stuff is full of crap, but some things are fairly nice and not even all that bad for you, if consumed in moderation.
I don't really eat that stuff because it tastes 100% like real meat, which most of it doesn't anyway, but because it tastes good in itsself. I don't really consider most stuff meat 'replacements', but alternatives. Like, there is beef, bacon and chicken, and there's tofu, seitan, lupine and bean burgers.
I really don't get why people keep going on and on about it.
I also don't get why people keep complaining about stuff not tasting 'like the real thing'. No, it doesn't taste like chicken, it tastes like fairly delicious, well seasoned lupine, because that's what it is, damn it.

>>4856719
>Thanks again for sharing!
No problem. I dream of the day all pizza places embrace cashew cheese.

/fit/izen here

Looking to go vegan for strength and muscle gains, anyone got some good high protein recipes?

>>4858118
Avoid soy
you need beans anon, lots and lots of different kinds of legume

>>4858118
>/fit/izen here
>vegan for strength and muscle gains
its like youve never been on fit
stop shitposting

>>4853774
Go away you horrible little twat.

>>4858239
Instead of whey, go for brown rice/pea protein isolates/hemp/spirulina.

>>4854632
>As long as it's more or less healthy I can eat as much as I want.

Fat girl logic

>>4858118
check this. Should be right up your alley.
http://www.patrikbaboumian.de/?page_id=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4lb6IevWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFjX-Wrg6vU

>>4858733
lol you wish.

>>4858291
Not all of /fit is idiots, give me a break.

>>4859353
>Not all of /fit is idiots
>is idiots

lol

Gonna try a vegan pizza tomorrow. Will see how the cashew cheese works.

I was ordering re-stocks on all of my Penzeys spices and they had an offer for a free 1/2 cup container of their Taco Seasoning. It has lactose in it but I don't give a fuck about that, and I'm planning on making lentil tacos in corn tortillas with it.

For toppings I can use avocado, salsa, hot sauce, and lettuce, but if anyone has other suggestions I'm glad to hear them

>>4853774

>Vegan thread?
>Post vegan dishes!

No. Just fuck off.

>>4862205

You alright, man?

Tonight was Chinese rice cakes (more like rice pasta) soaked for half an hour, then added near the end of a stir fry of cabbage, oyster mushroom, flower shitake, garlic, ginger, hot bean paste, vegetarian oyster (mushroom) sauce, chile oil, white pepper, vinegar, scallion and sichuan pepper. With just enough water added with the rice cakes at the end to cook them, leaving a bit of a gravy around them, the cabbage and the mushrooms.

Sorry I don't have a pic, but it's not the best looking dish anyways. Delicious as hell, regardless.

daily reminder that meat is not necessary and you are all slaves to to your tongues. Protein is found in most vegetables. I don't know what lies you repeat to yourselves, but get one thing straight about meat. You don't eat it because you need it. In fact, you don't need it at all. You eat it because you're weak willed faggots who have no control over their shitty appetite. Enjoy heart disease, queers.

>let me cut this animal up, cure it, season it, cook it, and use tools to eat it.
>OMG IT'S SO NATURAL.

Pic related. Go chew on a cow, fuckheads.

>>4853951
>>4853939

Been a meat eater for about 4 months now.

I feel stronger, have more energy, and my meals are more delicious!

>>4862289

>>4862289

>maybe if we evolved claws

Maybe if we evolved eyes that are at the front of our face so we can stalk prey instead of eyes that are on the side to be weary of predators we'd.. oh wait, we have that.

>>4855774
Speaking of bowel movements another great thing is with all the fiber in a healthy vegan diet is they are completely painless and very quick. When I ate dairy and meat I had really bad constipation and painful eliminations with lots of straining. Now it's quick and effortless and I don't need any fiber pills or metamucil or whatever.

>>4862294

This was already explained in another thread. Forward-facing eyes are good for many things, that's why horses, deer, elephants, cows, gorillas, rhinos, and other herbivorous animals have their eyes like that. Same thing with canines.

Having said that, there's no reason to be antagonistic like that guy is being. All I want to do is talk about healthy plant-based food

>>4862297
That's probably because you didn't eat any fiber at all.

BALANCE PEOPLE
BALANCE

I fucking hate you all vegan or meateater 'discussing' the same shit every day on /ck/

>>4862297

Why do vegans always bring up that they can shit better.

I've eaten meat my whole life and I have only had to deal with bloating when I ate two things that didn't comply with eachother, one was lots of melon and beer late at night, not meat.

But fucking vegans? they have to imply that anyone who consumes meat has a bloody volcanic eruption out their ass

>>4859384
Joke's on you because it's a collective noun.
ex: the jury is, the team is, the majority is.

However, the sentence does sound a bit awkward. Using it in a more proper way might sound like "not all of /fit/ is made up of idiots."

Meat is a healthy part of the human diet, I think the problem is most people eat too much of it either through excessive portion size or babies that can't cook and hate vegetables.

>>4862309

>meat is a healthy part of the human diet

Stopped reading there. Stop spreading this lie. Why would meat, something that every human could live without, be good for you?

>>4862310

You can live without it, but only be getting what meat provides for your body through other things inefficiently as if you were eating meat.

>>4862294
>stalk prey
Lol what was the last time you chased down a squirrel or deer with your carnivore speed and then took it down with your bare hands and ate it down to the bone; fur, fat, bone marrow, brain, and everything? If a human did that we'd think they're crazy, if a lion does that we know it's normal.

>>4862312

okay, anon. Keep telling yourself that. Why don't people actually research what the fuck they're talking about? It's so annoying.

>>4862311

We got better at it, we just shoot them now.

>>4862304
>That's probably because you didn't eat any fiber at all.

Actually my previous diet consisted of lean meats, salads, fruit, grains, milk and cheese. A balanced diet with more fiber than SAD eaters get. Ate too much dairy and meat. And hey man, chill, chill. If you hate vegans and meateaters discussing the same shit every day on /ck/ then leave the board or look for other threads. Or learn to stop hating others for what they eat or don't eat. We're all adults here and we can make our own choices.

>>4862316
What are you more against?

The cruelty the animals suffer making their way to our plate

or

Health and well being of all the humans on earth?

>>4862312
>through other things inefficiently as if you were eating meat

Actually, if you're getting to the source of the nutrients then it's more efficient. Filtering nutrients through somebody else's body is less efficient. Cows, chickens, and pigs all eat plenty of grains and vegetables. Just get to the source directly and you consume more concentrated nutrients, vitamins, and enzymes.

European time. Americans may ignore. Europeans carry on

>>4862327

I did not mean efficiency through manufacturing the protein, but rather vegan protein alternatives are vastly inferior to non vegan ones.

>>4862332

no. they're not. \Why do you believe this? Where do you think cows get their protein from, retard?

>>4862334
Americans ignore. European fruits carry on. This is your time while we sleep. Nothing to see here

oh, and this twelve year study was just released. guess what? Eating more fruits and vegetables makes you live longer. The effects of meat? Nowhere to be found in this study.

A simple recipe to warm the soul during the winter time.

Piping Hot Cocoa:

3/4 cup plain nondairy milk
1/4 cup water
2 tablespoons unsweetened cocoa or carob powder
2 tablespoons raw sugar/turbiando/stevia (for stevia use the equivalent of 2tbsp, it's very concentrated!)
1/8th tsp vanilla extract
dash of cinnamon
dash of cayenne pepper or chili powder (optional for some heat)

Heat liquids together in a saucepan on gentle heat, add your powdered ingredients and whisk until smooth. Best served hot.

>>4862339

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/25/jn.113.177121.full.pdf+html

>>4862332
>vegan protein alternatives are vastly inferior to non vegan ones

Could you give an example of one which is inferior to it's conventional vs vegan version? From my experience the vegan alternatives are cholesterol free and typically much lower in fat and have more nutrients since they're from plant sources.

>>4862343

>b-b-but meat is better for some reason!

Eggplant Tofu:

1 eggplant
2-4 cloves of garlic
1 white onion
1 red bell pepper
vegetables of your choice (I enjoy adding broccoli, asparagus, string beans, peas, carrots, corn, or cauliflower typically.)
1 tablespoon brown sugar
1/4th cup soya sauce
1 teaspoon grated ginger
1 cup extra firm tofu
2 tablespoons sesame oil

Prepare tofu by removing excess liquid and pressing with a clean kitchen towel or paper towels until most moisture is removed. Cut tofu into triangles or squares. Heat a non-stick skillet on medium-high heat and add sesame oil. Add tofu to pan and stir-fry until all sides are golden-brown, be gentle so you don't break the tofu. Remove tofu from pan. Add eggplant to the pan first and cook for a few minutes. Add the rest of your veggies and brown them. Add the sugar, soya sauce, and grated ginger to make your sauce. Cook together until the eggplant is soft and tender. Add tofu back to the pan with everything else and heat through, stirring gently to coat tofu in sauce. Feel free to add a bit more soysauce if it needs any more, or other desired spices to taste. Best served with jasmine, brown, black, wild, or any other type of rice.

>>4862343
>humans need a certain amount of cholesterol and fat
>foods that lack this are somehow better

>>4862379
>humans need a small amount of cholesterol and fat
>foods rife with these are somehow better

>>4862382
>all meat is deep-fried lard

>>4862382
>small amount of fat

Also, a normal, healthy person eats between 4 and 7 servings of meat a week, and rarely more than one serving of red meat

A normal, healthy vegan doesn't exist without supplements and meat susbstitutes that cause far more ecological damage than meat ever could

Does anyone know any good vegan foods for hot weather? Over the winter I've been relying on foods like oatmeal for breakfast and typical hot foods like soup and curry for lunch/dinner. Now it's hotter my appetite for anything hot is completely gone and I'm not sure what to replace my main meals with. There's basic stuff like fruit and smoothies for breakfast, and a salad with beans for lunch, but past that I'm not entirely sure what to have and I couldn't afford to have that every day.

>>4862395
You cannot reason with the insane or the brain dead.

>>4862379

Human body makes the cholesterol it needs and dietary cholesterol does nothing but harm you

Also

>plants have no fat

The fuck?

>>4862399
cold cutd

>>4862399
Cold Cuts

>>4862395
>substitutes that cause far more ecological damage than meat ever could

Actually, no. Where did you even hear that or what is your source? Farming animals is much less sustainable. You need to cut down large forests and clear lots of land to let them move around, and then you have to have corn and grains shipped in to be fed to them. For meat substitutes they have a factory and they get the ingredients shipped to them in the exact amounts that they need for the recipe. For just one pound of meat you need to use a few thousand pounds of grains which could easily be given to humans instead. And of course don't forget about factory farm cesspools which destroy and contaminate the earth and our water supplies if they're anywhere near one.

Carrot Ginger Blast:

apples
oranges
carrots
an inch piece of ginger

Juice the above ingredients, making as much or as little as you want to. Juice oranges, apples, and carrots in a 1:1:1 ratio. I enjoy making two quarts of juice in the morning and I pour the rest into a pitcher so I can have fresh juice all day. Keep in the fridge and drink preferably within the day, but it can store for two to three days.

>>4862450

>Human body makes the cholesterol it needs

Incorrect, it makes a baseline amount. That does not mean that it can make the amount necessary for optimal health. The body can also manufacture a lot of vitamins, but that doesn't mean that it manufactures enough to be optimal or healthy.

>and dietary cholesterol does nothing but harm you

Incorrect, please stop misinforming people simply because you haven't read a single nutritional/dietary study published after 1958. Dietary cholesterol has been proven to be a) healthy and beneficial to the body and b) to have absolutely nothing to do with blood cholesterol levels.

Please, just stop posting. You clearly don't know anything about the topic other than what you've heard from people who were equally as misinformed as you are. You're just continuing the spread of outdated, misinterpreted information that has long since been disproved. Either get with the times and actually learn something - anything, really - about the topic, or just don't talk about it, because you aren't doing any favors to anyone by the spread of erroneous information.

My vegan boyfriend wants to know whether or not it's properly vegan-kosher to eat his own cum. I mean, it's just going to die anyways; wouldn't it be just as not vegan to shoot a load in a man's ass? I mean, if you're not using that semen for it's intended purpose, that is making babies, you're just letting the poor cells die for nothing.

So anyways, do any of you vegans eat your own cum?

>>4863120

>You clearly don't know anything about the topic other than what you've heard from people who were equally as misinformed as you are. You're just continuing the spread of outdated, misinterpreted information that has long since been disproved

Well here's a report written by the head of the arterioscleroris and stroke prevention research teams in Canada, plus David Jenkins who invented the glycemic index

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21076725

You get your information from industry propaganda and Richard Atkins. Don't talk about nutrition.

>>4863121

Semen isn't vegan. If you're not vegan, here's a good cookbook for you.

>>4863130

So, how do you get from a dietary recommendation FOR PEOPLE WITH A DISEASE to dietary recommendations for the general public?

Why are you taking an article with a very specific focus and blowing it up to assume that applies to the whole population?

>>4863143

Prevention, motherfucker. Are you even literate? I'm not even that anon, but holy shit.

>>4863143

It says "at risk of vascular disease," which Dr. Spence has been quoted also saying "which means everybody who isn't already suffering from a terminal illness"

But even besides that, why would it be so bad for you even in that case of it was healthy? Usually when you're heading towards heart disease, eating healthy food helps your heart. Dietary cholesterol just makes everything worse, faster.

>>4863130
I hate you fucking vegans when you ignore modern studies. Cholesterol and salt have been found to be much less harmful. enjoy eating no meat because its "moral" even though animals eat each other every goddamn day. I actually wish veganism was really medically dangerous so you would all fucking die.

>>4863159

That is a modern study, and for some reason you're in denial about it. I also don't avoid meat for moral reasons, just health reasons.

>>4863152

But if you're not "at risk" then you aren't preventing anything. You're overreacting.

>>4863155

Why would you trust a doctor who paints with such a broad brush that he considers "everybody" to be at risk? That ought to equate to a complete and total lack of trust in him. No trustworthy professional in ANY field should make such broad statements. It's one thing for a doctor to examine a patient and come to a diagnosis after sufficient study and testing. But to say such things about people that he/she has never even met, let alone tested or examined is ridiculous. Would you trust a doctor who told you to take medication or alter your diet without even so much as meeting you or examining you? Would you trust a mechanic to tell you what's wrong with your car without you even reporting a problem or having him look at it?

>>Dietary cholesterol just makes everything worse, faster.

Except it doesn't. Your repetition of this makes it clear that you lack any understanding of how cholesterol functions in the body.

>>4863169

>But if you're not "at risk" then you aren't preventing anything

But you are at risk. You're not immune from vascular disease.

>Why would you trust a doctor who paints with such a broad brush that he considers "everybody" to be at risk?

Because there's nobody who doesn't have to worry about contracting a diet-related disease when they follow a diet that promotes that disease.

I realize you don't WANT to believe you're wrong, but you're stuck against a wall here.

>>4863163

Of course it's a modern study. It just applies to a specific slice of the population, not to humanity in general.

Then again, this is what people are very good at: taking a specific detail and blow it out of proportion. Humans are great at drawing incorrect conclusions.

>>4863178

You're misinterpreting the words. "People at risk of vascular disease" doesn't mean people who already have it, it means people who CAN get it. If you're not already about to die from something else, you're at risk of getting vascular disease.

>>4863163
there is nothing all that unhealthy about meat you god damn idiot. Not eating meat won't make you that much healthier, were fucking omnivores you twatty cunt. One study...literally one study. Your still going to die by 80 so enjoy 2 more years of shitting yourself in adult diapers. Hur durr I do it for health reasons, why not get your ass into a gym or some shit for health too. Faggot

>>4863183
shut the fuck up. You faggots do veganism bc its cool and makes you feel better about yourselfs. You can be just as healthy while still eating meat. What about big bad eggs? Oh yeah study found their cholesterol isnt harmful to us. So fuck yourself with an eggplant then eat it and pretend its a steak/porkloin/nice hunk of grilled chicken.

>>4863223
You're a moron with an agenda. I'm not vegan, I love eating meat, eat it all I can. I don't care if someone is vegan, I certainly wont go out of my way for them though, I just don't care about them.

It's you vegans and non-vegans with agendas that are morons that try to justifiy your own existance that are seriously annoying...

Live your own life without an agenda.
Try it sometime, it's fun.

Madness - The Harder They Come (Madstock, Finsbury Park)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o39pZIt8k_M

>>4863221
>>4863223

You're free to eat what you want, but don't try to downplay the risks associated with it. We see time and time again that these are the worst foods for us and that plant foods have a huge range of benefits. I do exercise as well, but diet is an important factor.

>>4863173

Not Immune =/= at risk, at least not in any meaningful sense of the term. Since nobody alive is "immune" to any disease that would imply that we're all at risk for everything under the sun. Better stop eating nuts, you're "at risk" for an allergy. Better start monitoring your blood sugar all day, every day--you're "at risk" for diabetes. Better start wearing ankle and knee braces--you're "at risk" for a sprain.

"at risk" means you have verifiable, diagnosable condition(s) which put you at risk, such as pre-existing diseases or a genetic predisposition. That does not apply to the general public.

>I realize you don't WANT to believe you're wrong, but you're stuck against a wall here.

Actually I'm having trouble following all your double-negatives.

>> when they follow a diet that promotes that disease.

The point is that for the average person the diet does NOT promote any disease. It only promotes disease if the person is at risk Did you even read the whole article? Or are you just reading abstracts and making up things to keep arguing?

>>4863256

The study shows a build-up of plaque in the arteries over time caused by egg consumption. What this means is that eggs contribute to vascular disease, and so the only people not directly at risk of vascular disease are the ones who aren't eating them and are lowering their saturated fat and cholesterol intake.

These diseases don't come from nowhere, you get them from diet. Using your diabetes example, someone who eats a diet that doesn't promote diabetes doesn't really have to worry about getting diabetes, but if they change their diet to include ice cream and donuts and other fatty, sugary foods, they would be considered "at risk of developing diabetes" and then you'd be on here defending ice cream and saying it's good for you

>>4863256

The study shows a build-up of plaque in the arteries over time caused by egg consumption. What this means is that eggs contribute to vascular disease, and the only people not directly at risk of vascular disease are the ones who aren't eating them and are lowering their saturated fat and cholesterol intake.

These diseases don't come from nowhere, you get them from diet. Using your diabetes example, someone who eats a diet that doesn't promote diabetes doesn't really have to worry about getting diabetes, but if they change their diet to include ice cream and donuts and other fatty, sugary foods, they would be considered "at risk of developing diabetes" and then you'd be on here defending ice cream and saying it's good for you

>>4863242

>>4855760

Uh.. some people shop for more than one person. That's. I mean. You literally laughed in her face. I hope you're lying in an attempt to sound badass, because holy shit are you retarded if not.

>>4863285
>These diseases don't come from nowhere, you get them from diet

No, they come from other conditions or genetics. Your diet can make them worse or can help, but they don't magically appear from nowhere.

Hence why some people can eat massive amounts of sugar and never get diabetes, or other people can eat massive amounts of fat and not develop heart disease.

Here's a 105-year-old who eats bacon every day. That makes it pretty clear that eating saturated fat does not necessarily cause heart disease:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/05/09/105-year-old-woman-says-bacon-keeps-her-alive/

Go read you own article again.

>>4863314

What's that implying? The thing that makes the omnivore side look healthy is the plant foods. Nobody ever said any junk food vegan diet is the healthiest thing you can do, but a diet composed of healthy plant foods is clearly the best.

>>4863351

From that very same article:

>A University of Zurich study published by the journal BMC Medicine in March found that processed meat was linked to a premature death. The study, which analyzed the diets of more than 440,000 people between the ages of 35 and 69, found that eating processed meats in moderation–less than 20g per day–could prevent an estimated 3% of premature deaths each year. As The Atlantic pointed out, however, that’s equivalent to a matchbook-sized portion. An earlier study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine last March found that even a single serving of processed red meat (yes, that includes bacon) increased the risk of participants dying by 20%. That study tracked over 121,000 doctors and nurses over the course of 22 years.

>>4863351

The oldest living woman also smoked cigarettes throughout her life. You can't say not smoking is only for people at risk of lung cancer though.

>>4863385

Indeed you can't. But it does prove that not every smoker will get lung cancer

The argument is being made to refute the claim that diet necessarily creates disease, not to say that overeating has zero risk.

>>4863383

I seriously doubt that the aritice said anything like that--or if it did, it's being misinterpreted:

>>An earlier study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine last March found that even a single serving of processed red meat (yes, that includes bacon) increased the risk of participants dying by 20%.

>>increased the risk of participants dying by 20%.

Clearly bullshit since every human has a 100% chance of dying from something or another.

And again, you're misunderstanding the argument here.

The previous poster claimed that dietary factors necissarily causes disease. I found you a very clear counterexample that shows that isn't always true.

I agree that diet can increase the RISK of disease, but that's not what >>4863285 stated. They clearly said:

>These diseases don't come from nowhere, you get them from diet.

Obviously not, because that woman was the poster child of bad eating habits for processed meats (and saturated fat) yet here she is at 105.

Thus it is quite clear that the diet does not cause the disease but is one of many factors which may contribute to it. Cause =/= contributing factor.

>>4858118
lots of soy and nuts. also OATZ.

A University of Zurich study published by the journal BMC Medicine in March I stopped reading. a prominete study, conducted by the university of phenoix concluded thatcq99 has heat and hrrdon benifits. only 39.99.

>>4863479

>I seriously doubt that the aritice said anything like that

It's right there in the article YOU linked. Did you not even read the article you posted?

>Clearly bullshit since every human has a 100% chance of dying from something or another.

It increased the risk of dying within the trial period, you idiot.

>The previous poster claimed that dietary factors necissarily causes disease. I found you a very clear counterexample that shows that isn't always true.

Yes, diseases form when you eat food that causes them to form. That's how it works. Your example was an old lady who was lucky enough to be able to handle bacon better than other people, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't have been healthier if she hadn't eaten so much bacon. Some people are more resistant to bacteria and viruses, but viruses don't just "increase the risk of influenza," they cause it. You start building up plaque in your arteries from the food you eat and it's not an "increased risk" we're talking about but a countdown to heart failure. You may die of something else before it sets in, but it still exists in varying stages even before it could kill you

>>4854632

...aaaand this is why there are so many fat vegans.

>>4855774

I hear after ten years you literally start shitting rainbows and sunshine.

>>4855956

...you and I must have very different interpretations of the word 'cheese' if that's what you think you have pictured there.

>>4865114

That whole meal is like 1500 calories max. Most of that stuff isn't very calorie-dense; it looks like a lot of food but it really isn't.

>>4854846
I have two vegan friends.
One is perfectly fine, doesn't care if you eat meat, and isn't holier than thou about it.
The other, a much more recent convert, is a psycho motherfucker about it and it drives me crazy.

>>4865128

...I'm not that up on my nutritional information, but as far as I can tell, 1500 calories in a single meal is pretty fucking large. If that's a general indication of your portion sizes, I expect you are either overweight or heading that way.

>>4865141

I weigh about 120 pounds, my breakfast is typically 1000 calories and I eat a pretty hearty dinner too, though those are about my only two meals in a day. Not the guy who posted those dinner pics either, just saying not everybody is a fatty who's trying to lose weight, we need calories to live

I made these yesterday and they were delicious
http://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/2011/12/11/secret-peanut-butter-cookies/
Super chewy, and all the ingredients are always in my pantry

>>4854559
anon pls cook for me

>>4858118
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

>>4863314
>tfw Veggie Slices aren't vegan

>>4854559
fuck yeah, family style dinner all day every day

>>4865119
You have to be a black belt vegan to shit rainbows. But shitting sunshine only took me 3 years.

>>4853774

i wish i hadn't cleared my cookies so i could delete this thread.

>>4865843
Do you think the vegans sit there hiding any thread with any mention of meat? Holy shit you're a sensitive child.

naw, i just don't want to see this thread anymore. it's my fucking thread and if i want to delete it i want to delete it, fuck off.

What's the best vegan icecream? Coconut milk icecream? Or almond milk?

>>4865114
>>4865128
>>4865141

Woa you guys, don't get all worked up over my dinner. It's not as much as it looks, because small food on small plates (see pic plates I used next to ordinary plate.). I love making tiny food. That sushi was about the size of my thumb.
I guess that meal would have been enough for two if you include the peppers.
It's not like I eat like that all day err'y day, but since this is like 50% raw vegetables I can certainly afford to have a large serving of the stuff I love once in a while. Also, If I were fat I'd pretend to eat less and wouldn't show off stuff like that.

>>4865241
mwahaha, feast your eyes on them potato pancakes

>>4866006
Variety is the spice of life and shit. I love most kinds, lupine based stuff being my favorite I guess, with coconut being a close second. You need to try 'kara smooze coconut' btw. You will never want any other kind, ever again.

>>4855956
Tried the ricotta, it was pretty nice. Although mine turned out more or less like cashew paste at first, probably because my blender is a piece of shit and overheated. Added a bit of soy cream and it was fine. Picture related, used it to make pasta-salad.

@thread: less shitposting more recipes
If you're a passionate Omnivore just pretend this was an awesome and interesting stuff to do with vegetables thread. No one is stopping you from adding animal products where you see fit, and you can get great ideas for nice side dishes itt, so feel free to contribute instead of just being all
>m-muh meat

bamp

>>4865114
>fat vegans
Pretty sure these are a myth, like unicorns.

>>4855533
>industrial food
Hi! Welcome to the modern world! You may have noticed that not everyone is a fucking subsistence farmer anymore, because we have developed technology that allows one person to grow enough food for several people. This may be confusing and scary at first, but by freeing up labor power for other tasks, it results in a higher standard of living for everyone.

>>4867505

ain't nothing "higher standard of living" about eating human pet food.

Just as you pointed out, industrialization has made food much more widely available. You can go to the supermarket and buy fresh fruits and veggies, nuts, (and meat for the non-vegans), any day you want. Eat that, not processed shite in a box. You don't need to buy a preservative-loaded fake meat patty to eat vegetarian, just go get some veggies! Want a hamburger? Put a portabello mushroom cap in a bun.

>>4867528
>You can go to the supermarket and buy fresh fruits and veggies, nuts, (and meat for the non-vegans), any day you want. Eat that, not processed shite in a box.

but you just said you laugh at people buying vegetarian shit at the supermarket, as if the fact that all that shit is mass produced makes a significant difference

>>4866006
>What's the best vegan icecream?
Anything So Delicious makes.

>>4867334
I'm sure they both exist. Somewhere in a land filled with rainbows and flowers a fat vegan is riding a unicorn.

>>4853875
>implying the lipid hypothesis is real

watch fat head pleb

fat vegan

>>4858118
Pea protein. Look it up.

>>4872066

Urea?

>>4872069

>>4872081

<- Joke
<- Your head