/ck/ - Food & Cooking

It's ridiculous in America.

>go to restaurant
>the food is shit
>the waitress is rude as fuck
>ask to pay
>the tip is already included in the bill
>18 fucking % on top of an expensive shit dinner
>ask them to change it
>they won't
>can't be arsed to make a fuzz about it and leave

>buy anything
>they expect a 15-20% tip

Just fucking pay your employees already, America. I already payed for my meal.

Tipping is for when something is extraordinary, that is if the food tasted really good for the price you payed or if the deliverer made it to your door fast during harsh weathers.

>>4506314
I only tip if my steak is cooked well done, and served with plenty of ketchup.

>>4506314
I tip if the food is good and the service is good.
>tfw the last time I went out to eat the tip was $26.64

>>4506325

You really are quite a negative person.

I live in a country where waiters are paid monthly by the owners, so tipping isn't necessary.

I'll usually leave the change for them, and for restaurants I frequent often and know the owners I'll always tip a good amount.

>Sonic
I usually round up to the next dollar, which means I tend to tip pretty well, all things considered. Most of the time I go to Sonic, it's for a Happy Hour drink that costs me $1.27. I pay $2, tip 73¢. On the rare occasion I get food, it's usually about $10-12, and I tip $2-3+coins.

>Chili's/Applebee's/etc
15-20%, unless service was damn good. If service was particularly bad, no tip, but it's hard to piss me off that much.

>Fine dining
Can't afford it, but I could see myself droppin' $100 for a $60-75 meal and walking away.

If servers got minimum wage or better, I wouldn't tip Sonic for drinks, and Chili's/Applebee's would get lucky to get 10%. If a 'gratuity' or 'service fee' is included in the price of the meal, I only tip for exceptional service (and it averages 20%).

I fucking hate it. Waiters end up disgustingly overpaid compared to the cooks who are actually skilled.

>>4506337
why? Because I don't like when people jew out money from me because they feel entitled to a bonus over the actual price I payed? Wouldn't that require them to perform their job more than well then?

Tipping is the most retarded thing mankind ever has invented.

>>4506345
This is why I'd like to see servers keep only 75% of their tip or so, and the kitchen staff divvies up the rest. Owners get their "tips" when people buy there at all, but I support financial compliments to the chef.

I don't live in a tipping country, and I feel bad for those Americans whose hourly wages is mostly made up of tips. (even though a good server in a good restaurant will make some decent money.) But still sometimes I will tip for extraordinary service or if I don't want my change or whatever reason.

I would gladly write the damn ticket myself and go pick up my own food from the damn counter rather than be charged for it.

>>4506346
I disagree. Tipping, as a concept, is not bad. If someone provides excellent service, they deserve special compensation.

I do think compulsory tipping is pretty ridiculous, though.

>>4506345
>implying waiting tables takes no skill
are you a cook

>>4506314

I used to get tips (bartender/server) and, I mean, it was nice to be given wads of money but I felt like it was stupid. I hate tips, but I always tip about 20% when I eat out, 50 cents - $2 per drink depending on how complicated it was to make (ranging from 'poured a beer' to a 'special that takes 5 minutes at an old fashioned cocktail bar')

I only do it to follow the status quo. I don't want to potentially stiff a server because I worry that their boss might not fill the money gap. The restaurant I worked at also monitored the waitresses tips and if the amount ever dropped they would see it as a sign the the waitress was giving bad service and harass her for it or possibly fire her. (Of course the owner's daughter waitressed too, and if she got poor tips it was just "oh well, stingy fucking customers". Bitches.) This is something that needs lobbying to fix, I'm not going to change it by pissing off a server.

Customers could have been more discerning. Such as, don't tip the fucking owner when she's bartending, she is making 100% of the profit off that 300% markup drink you just ordered. If she helped a waitress or bartender when it got really busy, she took half the tips. Frankly I wish customers would just be bold and ask where their tip is going. /bitter

15% unless your deadbeat

I'm a waiter and whenever someone asks if gratuity is included I say "nah, we don't do that here. In my opinion that's pretty bad taste'

I make 20% a night. That's $60 - $100. $200 on a good double. I close the store a lot, so that's more money, just also more blacks. I'm fine with it. I always thought i was overpaid for just being a decent person. But then I learned how horrible most people are and how most people I know couldn't make it as servers.

Tip or don't. It averages out fine

I rarely go to restaurants of any sort because I am competent enough to make my own food.

But I feel that is it not my responsibility to tip them. It is the people who hired them and supervise them that should do it. ever other job does it. You dont tip a plumber or an electrician do you? No, because they are being paid to do it so there is no need.

If I ever go to a restaurant (which I rarely go to need I remind you) I go for the food I am being served with, not for the service.

>>4506484
Your plumber or electrician charges $20-100/hr. A server in the U.S. can get paid as little as $2.13/hr, which only gets bumped up to $7.75/hr (fed. min. wage) if they don't happen to make enough in tips. You're comparing foie gras and KFC.

Some people, incidentally, do enjoy the experience of dining out. Dining is not restricted to shovelling food you didn't make in your mouth.

>>4506343
>If servers got minimum wage or better
If a server does not make up the difference between minimum wage and them salary in tips, by law the owner has to pay them the difference.

Not that that's even an issue, because servers make bank for unskilled work.

>>4506489
If they want to go for the experience why not just go to some other public place like a park or something then?

That does not make sense to me.

>>4506498
>because servers make bank for unskilled work.
This is why this shit needs to stop. It is encouraging shitty ethics and workers.

>>4506359
Are you trying to compare serving skills to cooking skills. Yes, there are "skills" involved in the same sense as whistling and armpit farming are skills, but a server is not a skilled worker like a cook, carpenter, electrician, etc.

>>4506498
It's academic information, since it almost never actualy comes up, but still...

This law only applies to a work week. So if you get 2 tables on slow weekdays and make $15 for a 4 hour shift, but then you make $100 on friday. it averages out and the employer doesn't pay you anything more. I don't know if my math's right, but you get my meaning.

>>4506501
You do not understand how eating out is a different experience than eating at home? Seriously?

>>4506512
I am a NEET who lives off of autism bucks so I don't see the difference.

>>4506489
They make that much because they have businesses expenses (a lot of them), the work is unreliable, and they actually spent time learning skills that are valuable. If they don't get work, they don't get paid, it's not some easy serving shit where you have hours and you do them to get money.

>>4506507
I work in a corporate place (Ruby Tuesday)

Sometimes I'm a cook, sometimes I'm a server. Sometimes I'm bar, sometimes I'm shift leader.

They all have their ups and downs. Serving isnt easier than cooking. Hell, cooking is just following directions. Serving has improvisation. Try waiting on old deaf people. Or old ladies who try to flirt with you, or dick kids, or people with crazy specific allergies, or drunk people who find out they dont have enough money to pay. I'm not complaining, because I'm really good at dealing with people. But yeah, it's a job. All jobs are jobs. You have to be able to do your job,

Managing though, that's nothing. It's not like I'm high enough up the ladder to deal with real problems. Just handle any problems and do the deposit at the end of the shift. Mostly just stand around.

>>4506511
So, worst case scenario, you're still making minimum wage overall. The wage that we've determined as a democracy is the amount we can allow people to pay their customers. Don't tip, and you can fix this shitty situation by forcing owners to pay their waitresses what they're worth (or lose them)

>>4506498
But if they made min. wage, they're *starting* at $7.75/hr, plus whatever they get from everyone else. If they're already making that, then like I said, it wouldn't be anything special, and mid-tier restaurants would have to earn even 10% from me. Also,

>unskilled work

Have you ever done the job? I haven't, but I can see it being a lot harder than people in this thread make it out to be. A proper server needs to be able to remember faces (I personally can't), often balance heavy trays on one hand (I shudder to think how many such trays I'd drop), handle hot dishes, and catch all the shit from the kitchen and their customers. Also on a proper server's duty roster is knowing the menu and what the items taste like and what's in them, plus-selling, keeping track of daily specials and missing ingredients, etc.

I wouldn't tip the woman at Whataburger for bringing my tray to my table. She's carrying a cool tray in front of her with both hands with less than five pounds on it (helps not having dishes). And she's getting min. wage or better. But there are a lot of differences between Whataburger Woman and Jean-Philippe Susilovec.

>>4506489
>$7.75/hr (fed. min. wage)

You have to be the dumbest server ever.

>>4506504
I'd rather see a good server make $300/night than a pro athlete make $3m/year, but here we are.

>>4506511
Damn, I thought it was by the day. That sucks, because even on the slowest weeks, weekend work will probably boost their tips over that threshold.

>>4506522
Glad to hear from someone that's been there. You sound like you know what's up, and I bet you can handle even difficult customers with a smile. I'd probably tip you :)

>>4506523
Unskilled work isn't an insult, it's a category. If you didn't have to spend time and/or money on learning to do your job before you got to do it, you're not a skilled worker. Skilled workers get degrees, or work apprenticeships for many months to years.

>>4506523
It's not about balancing and remembering faces. It's about upselling things and selling alcohol and above all it's about pacing and timing.

It's just a sales job. You have a right to dislike sales people, because they tend to be dicks, but that's all serving is. Instead of selling you on why this granite countertop is better for your kitchen than that laminate, they sell you on how that top sirloin is better for your night than that shrimp Parmesan, and how a $11 glass of cabernet sauvingion would go great with it.

>>4506531
This. Well said. It's not a judgment. It's just a fact.

>>4506522
>Dealing with people is hard
This highly functioning autist
>>4506523
I'm thinking I live in another country, but you mentioned Whataburger. Can I assume you live in Texas? Because federal minimum wage is $7.25, you fucking ignorant server. I used to defend tipping, but now I know you guys actually are retarded.

I'm not a waiter, but I've got to say that I love the concept of commision work. Do your job, get paid. Do it great, get paid more. Do it poorly, get paid less or nothing. I kinda wish all jobs were like that. I bet work across the board would improve.

>>4506523
severs wrote down notes on the dockets to help them remember faces, and balancing trays of food and drink is easy. just because you lack the skills anon doesn't mean it's hard to do.
plus it takes a maximum of two weeks when you first start out to memorise the menu, after that it's ingrained and so explaining things and up selling is second nature.
this simple shit doesn't mean they should automatically deserve a 20% tip.

>>4506527
>The federal government mandates a nationwide minimum wage level of $7.25 per hour

I was close enough, for having never actually made minimum wage. I think the fact that the figure is even lower than I thought just makes my point all the more.

Also, IANAS.

>>4506531
>>4506537
I stand corrected. Given the general feel of this thread, it did appear to be an insult. But there is an awful lot of skill in this little sector of unskilled labour (at least, if it's done well).

>>4506534
But they do have to keep track of who ordered what (the good ones do; I've seen servers ask "So who had the..."). I did mention plus-selling, and to recommend the carbernet sauvingion, they have to have at least a minimal knowledge of wine and what the menu items are like compared with their wine selection.

>>4506541
From Texas. Can't believe so many people flip their shit over 50¢.

Still not a server.

>>4506542
Word.

It's just how it works. When I go to a restaurant I never even think of what the waiter's making. I just tip whatever percent and leave and then I'm done thinking about it.

Why do you all care so much? I have trouble believing that restaurant eating is such a significant portion of your budget.

>>4506553
>automatically

Of course not. But if your service is flawless and pleasant, why not thank the person that made it possible with a small gratuity? It's not rocket surgery by any means, but it's not mindless factory work, either (I mean the jobs where you're just pushing a button at a particular time 100x/hr for eight hours, mind).

As a general rule I tip
>a buck at food trucks and a bucka drink for bartenders.
>2$ at buffets and for takeout from sitdown style places
>10% at Applebee's level places 15% if excellent
>15% at normal restaurants
>20% at fancy ass joints that have a sommelier and a dude just for water.
Also just got back from vegas where everyone witha name tag expects a tip even if they just point you to the pissroom

>>4506570
>implying half of /ck/ can afford Chili's, let alone Petrus

>>4506566
That's 50¢ is per hour, it adds up, and I have had many fine people quit/turn down a job over it.

>But they do have to keep track of who ordered what (the good ones do; I've seen servers ask "So who had the..."). I did mention plus-selling, and to recommend the carbernet sauvingion, they have to have at least a minimal knowledge of wine and what the menu items are like compared with their wine selection.

OMG, you had to remember people or interesting facts! You see how I surmised you were from Texas, that takes very little mental aptitude. You, sir, are retarded!

Alright, I guess we're done here.

War. War never changes.

>>4506583
I understand that it adds up, but in an anonymous conversation on 4chan, multiple people shouldn't flip their shit over a small error.

I promise, angry denizens of /ck/, that if I should ever open a business, I will do my research and adjust payrolls accordingly.

>>4506590
Just admit you are from /b/, and move on. You are either retarded or a child. I hope you are retarded.

>>4506595
>get trolled on /ck/
>must hail from /b/

I think the ones from /b/ are the ones flipping their shit here. Like you.

>>4506597
>Be retarded
>TROLOLOLOLOL

>>4506336
damn did the waitress give you head

>>4506325
yeah I'd just refuse to pay my bill until its set to 0% because they're arguing with me

if they refuse to change it I'll just walk out and not come back, because fuck that shithole

>>4506325
>>the tip is already included in the bill
>>18 fucking % on top of an expensive shit dinner
>>ask them to change it
>>they won't

It's always an optional gratuity. If the waitress is "rude as fuck" and you don't want to pay the 18% then you subtract it from the total and then write the total without the 18% when you sign the bill. Make a note of the total and if they charge you more then you report it to your card company.

If you're too cheap to tip for the service at a restaurant then don't eat at a fucking restaurant with servers. Either eat at home, order fast food, go to a taco shop, or find a restaurant that sells carry-out. You have a million options.

If you don't want to tip for delivery service then pick up your own food.

It's THAT fucking simple, cheapass fucking Jews.

>>4506325
>>the tip is already included in the bill
>>18 fucking % on top of an expensive shit dinner
are you going to TGIFridays?

I do it cause I have to, though I don't eat out because of it. I don't really want or need someone to pour me a glass of water, let alone pay for it.

>>4506522

>cooking is just following directions

>>4506522

No
Just no

>>4506660
u mad, low class server scum? yeah u mad, u real mad

>>4506660
>order fast food, go to a taco shop, or find a restaurant that sells carry-out.

Those places have servers

>>4506574
Only relavent and rational post itt

I average about $60 a day in tips, that is in addition to my $9 an hour wage. Sometimes I make $200 in tips on a good day. How does this make you feel, /ck/. Not a stripper, and not lying.

>>4506660
you sound like the lazy shitstain I fired a week ago
hows unemployment you stupid cunt

>>4506833
that means you're probably either working in a busy resteraunt or doing a good job
you can't troll with that, sorry.

we dont like the servers who demand a tip while they sneeze all over us when we're trying to take our orders, instead of putting in a small amount of effort