/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Pros:

>cheaper
>expires slower
>freezes better

Cons:

>you're a pussy who is scared of modern-day food practices

whats wrong with tube meat?

>>4047377
Pink slime scare from this year or the last.

>>4047369
It's got a higher fat percentage so you're getting less meat, and in meatloaf it's kind of a pain to have all that fat soggy-ing up the bottom of your loaf.
I use tube meat for burgers, sloppy joes, or hamburger helper exclusively.

>>4047369
>27% fat
Jesus christ.

>>4047428
>>4047391

Some of it comes leaner.

>>4047378

There is nothing wrong with "pink slime". It is simply a process to remove the left over meat that is still on the bones.

>>4047462
It is a way to make something that is not meat seem like meat.

>>4047471
what is your definition of meat?

>>4047471
haha what do you think pink slime is if not meat?

>>4047462
So stupid.

>>4047471
Finely ground meat is still meat.

>>4047471
>>4049792

your ignorance is precious.

if you had any knowledge of what constitutes animal tissue, and what our digestive system does to it, you would not post such delightfully ignorant comments.

>>4047391
They have leaner tubes of beef available usually

>>4049809
Are you drunk?

>>4049822
Would YOU be sober at this time of day? In this thread?

>>4047369

DUDE...it's barely meat; srs'ly how much cheaper could be possibly be than just regular 100% meat...meat?

>>4049832

good point.

>>4049845
what have you got against efficiency you squeamish twat.

>>4049858

I don't eat meat that looks like dicks or that contains more than 3% dick.

>>4049865
You and your mom are very different people anon.

Who gives a damn if tube meat is shitty? It's not like I'm going to make it into Steak Tartare. I'd grind my own chuck if I wanted to make a gourmet burger or something.

>mfw I just turned a giant 3lb tube of beef into bomb-ass chili

>>4049876
I made some into extra rare burgers and they were gucking great.

>>4049876

sure if you like some greasy-ass chili with fake meat....gods speed anon.

>>4049891
How is it fake? Are you simply unwilling to learn about this?

>>4049887

>2012
>eating GMO soy
>homogenized meat like product
>rare


You're going to kill some one.

>>4049901
100% beef anon, no matter how much it asspains you, you are wrong.

>>4049876
I could never have children.

>>4049899

>fillers
>animal unrelated added fat
>GMO soy
>pink slime
>ground bone
>chemically treated off cuts
>painted meat on the dick to hide the true nature of the product

>>4049910
Sauce or GTFO

I love how much faith you people have in the meatpacking industry.

"Oh, they say it, so it must be true! Corruption doesn't exist, honest!"

>>4049904

In 2001 in the United States the product was approved for limited human consumption and began to be used as a food additive to ground beef and beef-based processed meats as a filler at a ratio of usually no more than 25 percent of any product. The production process uses heat in centrifuges to separate the fat from the meat in beef trimmings.[10] The resulting product is exposed to ammonia gas or citric acid to kill bacteria.

enjoy your fake meat.

>>4049916
It's just ground beef, calm down.

>>4049916
If they put anything else in there, some young reporter will make his name taking that shit to a lab and exposing them.
The system works flawlessly.
Our food supply is insanely safe because of this.
EVERY time something fucked up makes it into the food supply (no I dont mean a few rats and bugs) it makes national news.

>>4049916
making a product that kills your consumers is not a very good business model

>>4049921
Have you verified this with your own two eyes? Stop believing things other people tell you. People like you are what makes humanity so sheeplike.

>>4049930
Tell that to the tobacco industry.

You guys are idiots.

>>4049917
>The production process uses heat in centrifuges to separate the fat from the meat in beef trimmings

so if you use anything other than a knife to separate fat from meat then the meat is fake? I feel bad for animals who dont know about butchering techniques and knife skills, they have been eating fake meat for all these years. poor bastards.

>>4049926


bullshit...this is directly from Kroger..."Our Private Selection Ground Meats and meats sold from our meat counter in store are free of "Pink Slime" (ammonium hydroxide), yet this guarantee cannot be placed on our Kroger Brand or Kroger Value Ground Beef."

so they do allow pink slime in their cheap-ass meat dicks

>>4049939
Have you verified that it is not with your own two eyes?
Then shut your hippie hole.

>>4049949
Fuck off, benefit of the doubt always goes to distrust, not trust. Until you know someone is honest, you assume corruption. Cease your childlike ways.

>>4049944

No you ass hat...it's this part that's the problem...

>The resulting product is exposed to ammonia gas or citric acid

>>4049945
Oh for fucks sake how many times do you have to be told that pink slime is just meat?

>>4049958
It might be meat by the muscles and tissue definition, but lets not kid ourselves, it's crappy meat that can only be eaten due to chemicals having processed it.

Considering how shitty quality pink slime is it should be a tenth of the price "real" meat is.

>>4049939
I know, man. I ate the tube beef one time and I totally started puking blood. I had to rush myself to the ER. Stay away from the tube beef, man!

>>4049958

You don't even know what your talking about; a bunch of finely centrifuged bone and tendons that's chemically processed, IS NOT MEAT.

>>4049971
And it is. There is only so much of it in the burger. All is as it should be.
Quit being such a douche crybabby.

>>4049986
Yes it is.

>>4049930
Nice faith dude.

>>4049971
>can only be eaten due to chemicals having processed it
The chemicals sterilize it. Because the meat is mechanically separated and then ground, it becomes a food risk.

If this could be avoided, they wouldn't use the ammonia, and it wouldn't be "pink slime". What would it be instead? That's right: meat.

>>4049926
>The system works flawlessly.
>Our food supply is insanely safe because of this.
Then why is the FDA so corrupt?

>>4049991

NO there legally can be up to 25%, that's a whole lot meat jelly; which will dramatically
change the taste and texture of the burger.

>>4049994

NO IT IS NOT

>>4049986
>centrifuged bone and tendons that's chemically processed, IS NOT MEAT
My understanding is the small bits of meat that are impossible to completely trim from the bone are mechanically separated instead. You're not eating bone and tendons, you're eating small fragments of meat that were stuck to them.

>>4050002
>Then why is the FDA so corrupt?
Source.

>>4050004
I have eaten it and its fine.
Dont have any if you are such a crybabby but dont prevent me from having it.

>>4050014

it's for your own good, just don't put that poison in your body.

Incidentally, no one in here is saying "Stay away from tube meat." Fuck, I eat Jack-in-the-Box tacos, you think I give a shit about some pink slime?

Don't think you can call tube beef the real deal though, cuz it ain't. It's the white bread of meats, the lowest of shit tier, all the worst things they can possibly make to resemble beef and slip into a tube while counting out the cash they need to pay to the FDA inspector to look the other way.

Just sos ya know.

>>4050010
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/us/fda-surveillance-of-scientists-spread-to-outside-critics.html?p
agewanted=all&_r=0

>>4050022
That has nothing to do with food.

The issue arises when ammonia gas comes in contact with water, like the water within meat. This interaction produces ammonium hydroxide or "ammonia water". Now we have a hazardous gas turned to liquid form that can wreak havoc on the human body.

>>4050030
no

>>4050035

Commonly sold as window cleaner, floor cleaner, wood polish, and a source of food (slime), ammonium hydroxide is a serious threat to a person's health. The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for ammonium hydroxide classifies the substance as very hazardous when in contact with skin. Ammonium hydroxide may produce tissue damage on mucous membranes. The human digestive system is basically one long mucous membrane from mouth to finish. Repeated or prolonged exposure to ammonium hydroxide can lead to health deterioration through accumulation within human organs. Although ammonium and ammonia are essential to proper kidney function and maintaining an acid-base balance within the body, chronic high levels of the chemical can ruin delicate blood vessels and cause harm on the cellular level. By offsetting the balance with the addition of more ammonia molecules, there is more conversion of waste urea by the liver and more excretion of ammonium in the urine.

I bet the ammonia meat was untested before putting it on the market.

>>4050046
That says nothing about the concentration though. Normally I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I would like some source that says pink slime is actually unhealthy.

And for future reference, that prelude of window cleaners doesn't do much for your credibility.

>buying shitty ground beef or industrial beef byproduct slurry

lol okay

>>4049956
>implying those are harmful
>>4050046
dammit, learn about fucking amino acids faggot. ammonia is VITAL to life. you would literally have to drink a glass of ammonia straight up for it to be harmful, common table salt is deadly in lower concentrations than ammonia.

did you know that gold can cause heavy metal poisoning? better not eat anything with gold leaf on it, ooh iron too, better watch out for that shit. that is literally how retarded you sound right now. oh and better avoid all fish too since mercury can hurt you.

>>4049945
I shop at Kroger sometimes, this tube meat is more expensive than store ground, i don't even see the point to considering the tube.
(like 3.99/lb for 80-20)

>>4050081
You know, there's a county on the west coast somewhere, I forget which one, but about 20 years ago their cancer rates among young women skyrocketed, along with things like stillbirths and such. They couldn't figure out why for a long time, until eventually they traced it to swordfish. For some reason, women there were eating swordfish like 2-3 times a week.

Nowadays the recommendation is what, 1 swordfish meal a month or something like that?

The more you know...

>>4050081
>ammonia is VITAL to life.
lol @ people thinking this is an argument

>>4050081
>you would literally have to drink a glass of ammonia straight up for it to be harmful
Full fucking retard.

>The New York Times reported in October, 2009 on an American company, Beef Products Inc., which turns fatty beef trimmings, averaging between 50 and 70 percent fat, into seven million pounds per week of lean finely textured beef ("pink slime") by removing the fat using heat and centrifugation, then disinfecting the lean product with ammonia; the process was rated by the US Department of Agriculture as effective and safe on the basis of a study (financed by Beef Products) that found that the treatment reduces E. coli to undetectable levels.

lol the USDA gives it the green light because of a single study conducted by the company selling the product.

America!

In Norway pink slime is not allowed, barely any stores ground their own beef (if they do it costs 4-5times as much as pre-packed ground beef).

Tube meat is a bit cheaper but in my experience they have a better taste than the pre-packed "ordinary" ground beef

Unless you live in the city and is willing to pay 10x the price all food is pre-packed. Norwegians in general don't care about quality and is buying "meat" that is mostly additives because it's cheaper and still complain about it being too expensive.

>Pic related, meat selection in Norways largest grocery chain.

>>4050124
That paragraph seems fine to me. Its not like some crazy rocket science, they are just stripping meat.
What the fuck has you so concerned??

>>4050124
it was financed not conducted

>>4050124
>financed by

The USDA makes the company pay for their study.

>>4050127
Wow, I'm sorry.

This is what we Americans get.

McDonalds and shit fast food places don't even use pink slime...

If it isn't good enough for those places, it should tell you something!

>>4050139
There are a few of the larger stores were meat is cut and packed in the store, but this is the exception and in general almost all meat is pre-packed and of the pre-packet most of it is industrial meat.

Norways biggest steak supplier have 1 steak packaging store, meaning that no matter where in Norway you buy steak it is all packed in the same facility. Same with eggs, if you live in northern Norway and your neighbour is eggfarmer, his eggs are driven 800km to a packaging facility before they are driven 800km back and put in the stores.

>>4050139
corn-fed, antibiotic-laden, subsidized beef?

>>4050154
In epic quantities, yes. Though a good part of that selection will be grass fed, and a much smaller part will be organic.

>>4050154
Corn fed beef is best beef.

I buy most of my meat from a local butcher. Outside the city you can usually buy beef from local farms.

If you fear shitty meat and additives, try to buy meat from a kosher deli or something. The grocer where I live has a separate meat counter for kosher meats. You could also try going to a Halal butcher. There is a Turk butcher right down the road near me.

>>4050221
Good advice. Its the same sort of thing and the same sort of solution.
Stupid religion? Try religious foods.
Stupid political memes infecting your feeble brain?
Try religious foods.

>>4050046
The real question that arises in my mind is why in the hell do they need to treat the meat with ammonia in the first place. If feedlot cattle are so dirty from their environment, their environment should be changed. Like if you kill some wild game the meat isn't covered in shit. If you are slaughtering cows covered in shit you need to improve the standard of living for the cows so they aren't covered in shit. Doesn't that make sense?

>>4050246
treating meat with ammonia is no big deal. you are acting like ammonia is nuclear waste.

>>4050250

You aren't wondering why they need to do this in the first place? When I clean some meat that I caught I am not dropping it into an ammonia bath first. I find it odd that you are ok with this.

>>4050252
If you had to clean 500 pounds of meat a day you might change your methods.
Just because you dont understand something does not make it scary for me.

>>4050266
>sheeple

>>4050210
lol nope

>>4050252
They are using a mechanical method to strip all "meat" from the bones, during this process bidproducts such as bonemarrow etc. that contains bacteria and is carriers of diseases such as mad cow is also extracted.

It is to kill the bacteria and neutralize the danger of diseases that it is treated with ammonia.

Not saying pink slime is dangerous, but it contains something that ordinary ground beef does not and hence it must be bathed in ammonia before being sold to be safe.

>>4050269
you are the sheeple. you think anything you dont understand is dangerous.
you are a feeble minded hippie.

>>4050270
lol yup

>>4050246
The meat is being mechanically separated and ground. By this point, the beef has went through every stage of butchery. It now has to go through more machinery to strip the bones of any remaining meat.

Think of it like a whole chicken that you're breaking down. When you finish carving off the thigh, drumstick, wings, and breast you are left with a breast bone, the ribs, a wishbone and the back. There's not enough meat on those parts to serve any of them. What if you could blast it with pressurized water and press it through a wire sieve leaving the bone fragments behind? Then you strain the water, add an egg and bread crumbs for binder, roll it in flour and deep fry it to make chicken nuggets. It's as much meat as the meat in the thigh or breast.

The USDA requires that before the chicken "slurry" is used that it's treated with ammonia to kill bacteria. The same reason that restaurants sear beef before grinding it to make steak tartare and not using fresh ground beef from the butcher. When you grind food, any bacteria on the surface of the meat will now be in the interior.

>>4050291
You are ignoring the basic about mechanical extracted meat, basically that the process also extract other products from the bone that is not meat and that is why the ammonia is needed.

>eating meat that is so filthy and covered in coliform bacteria that it must be disinfected with ammonia

Wow. And defending this practice? Wow-er.

>>4050309
Once its clean its fine.
You would rather be wasteful and toss it out.
Not very green of you little hippie.

>>4050303
>other products from the bone that is not meat
Bone marrow is edible.

>>4050274
>during this process bidproducts such as bonemarrow etc. that contains bacteria and is carriers of diseases such as mad cow is also extracted


wow you apparently have no concept of what is actually going on here. If a cow had BSE (mad cow) the would obliterate the entire herd of cattle. They wouldn't try to kill mad cow with ammonia....

>>4050312
I think we have failure to communicate here

>not very green of you little hippie

I doubt >>4050312
has seen the conditions the beef cattle come off of the feedlot in. If cows were fed grass and not corn (which they do not eat in nature), and were not covered in their own e coli I doubt sterilization of meat would ever be necessary. I know damn well my local farmer doesn't do this, and yet he has never had to recall his beef, because his beef never killed some poor 2 year old, unlike what happens with the giant meat packers who use chemical sterilization.

This suggests a failure to see both sides of the argument, therefore I can only conclude......

>>4050341

one can't destroy prions with antiseptics you dummy

pro: cheap as shit

con if you're a little baby: it's gross

con if you're a smarty smartpants: meat produced in this setting is likely to also be produced with overuse of antibiotics, putting you at risk of infection by an antibiotic-resistant organism

pro if you're a real dude: tastes like shit

>>4050366

wait... I mean con

shit

my scatophilia has been announced

I buy this stuff all the time, it's not bad.

>>4050361
Well that is not what I am saying here, but whatever

>mah reading comprehension son

According to the WHO there is only a few ways to guarantee no prions are present on a surface, and these sterilization methods would never work for food, if that food was to remain palatable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Sterilization

I think NaOH would qualify as an "antiseptic", so who is the dummy now.

>>4049942
and the alcohol and automobile as well

>>4050381
If your meat is being immersed in strong enough ammonia for long enough to denature prions you should be worried.

>>4050655
Automobiles have made our life better. Cheap meat and beer has raised the standard of living for the poor classes.

Welcome to the Modern World.

>>4050820
I see no reason to be worried. Your concern is silly and childish.

>>4050823
>beer has raised the standard of living for the poor classes.
Oh really?

I personally don't care if this garbage is being sold and consumed.

I know this will sound elitist (then again, not eating Taco Bell is considered elitist on /ck/), but I really don't give a flying fuck if the stupid and poor eat this and other foods (poor actually means lazy, cheap, and ignorant in most cases... who prioritizes entertainment and luxury goods over good food?).

If you think the burden of proof lies on proponents of traditional "whole food" eating habits than that is your issue. If you think a peer-reviewed research paper is necessary to know how to eat than you are simply dense and do not understand how modern science operates.

There is no reason to argue and try to convince people to avoid certain eating habits. We have a pretty good idea of what is healthy eating and a healthy lifestyle. It is one of those things that an intellectual person who still is connected with their instincts can appreciate.

>>4050917
But you still have a pantry full or ramen, right?

>>4050926
No.

>that feel when you shop at HEB and have never even ingested pink slime.

Not that I really give a shit. Ammonia is in everything from cheese to peanut butter.

>>4050917
>There is no reason to argue and try to convince people to avoid certain eating habits
Then shut your smug cunt face.

Did any of you even bother Googling before starting the pink slime debate? The majority of stores stopped carrying ground beef that contained additives months ago when the shitstorm was at its peak.

>>4050977

see>>4049945

Even though most of the stores have taken it out of some meat they sell, as to pretend that they actually give a rats ass about the public butthurt over meat jelly; the fact of the matter is they still sell it all over the place in cheap meat dicks.

>>4050904
Yes.

>ground beef

Never heard of it, although in england we sell minced beef/lamb/turkey as pic related, but it is usually 15/12/8% fat and ground up from just cuts of meat themselves.

>>4051414
>minced beef

lol, silly island speak...that's clearly not minced it's ground; look at the spaghetti strand texture from the "grinder"

>>4051438

>doesnt know that mincing is synonymous to grinding
>doesnt know what a meat mincing machine looks like

>>4051441
> mincing = grinding

what

no

>>4051441

wut....mincing is done with a knife, which that meat was clearly not minced, it was put through a mechanical meat grinder.

>>4051414
That is very obviously ground.
However, predominately, real minced meat is sold here in the UK.

>>4051446
>>4051444
>>4051438

wut

>>4051446

>mincing meat

STFU, they just grind it

>>4051450

Yeah, and in each one of those pic's you can clearly see the evidence of mechanical grinding, you don't get squiggly lines in meat if you actually mince it.

>>4051457

to me grinding = mortar and pestle

mincing = making it squiggly in lines

In my family we've used proper minced meat and I can't imagine anything being any better.

>>4051465

Look even the straggle toothed islanders call this thing a meat grinder, NOT a meat mincer.

>>4051469
Whats the difference?

I think the "minced = ground" thing must be the british equivalent of americans calling cheese "real cheese" and plastic cheese "cheese".

I know they're really not all that stupid but it's the stupids that get noticed.

>>4051472
Oh ok cool. It's just that we don't mince/grind our own meat but we always buy what's displayed as "minced beef/lamb" etc.So I don't understand the distinction.

Oh look, the brits are here to cunt up the board.
Mincing fucking faggot country.

>>4051478

>british people bring up a naming difference
>other countries flip their shit, make racist comments and get anal anguished

>>4051478
>mfw

>>4051511
This is an american board
Hell this is an american world.
There are over 300 million of us now.We control the english language now.

>>4051515
At least the Yanks are actually in control of something any more

>>4051515
>dat patriotism

>>4051515
lel, more than half of those speak mexican

>>4051573
Mexican AND English.

Check and mate, amigo...I mean bro.

ITT: everyone argues about everything, including if they're even arguing.

>>4051580
>mexican
>mexican
>mexican
>mfw

>>4051573
300million is the amount of citizens. You must speak english to citixen

>>4051591

the fuck you tryin' to say bub?

i fought fags like you in 'nam

>>4051515
>we language now

>>4051601

>i ate fags like you in 'nom

fix'd