/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>3826083
It is the authentic way to use cheese whiz.

Research

Philadelphia is a nasty place full of stupid fat people. enjoy your greasy cheeze whiz and gristle sandwich.

The authentic way is more or less cheese whiz. The only alternative I can think of would be processed American that melts nicely.

Just go to subway and get a cheesesteak hoagie.

No, I have never been to Philly or even eaten a Philly cheesesteak style sammich but most of the people that claim to be from Philly on here say provolone is the legit cheese and with green peppers and onions. Any place serving one with cheez whiz claiming it's the original is full of shit faker.

It's provolone. The Cheez Whiz places are fucking tourists traps.

>>3826098
I always assumed places that used Cheez Whiz did so because it's cheaper than doing it the real way, and because you can process orders faster.

Hell, the places that serve it with Cheez Whiz probably heat theirs in the microwave, too, using pre-cooked frozen meat and pre-sliced buns.

Most places will throw provolone on your steak. Dont worry OP.

Don't worry OP you will be able to SMELL the melted cheez whiz from outside the restaurant, you don't even have to go inside and ask which kind of cheese they use in order to check.

Just browse around town by following your nose until you find a respectable joint, that's the easiest way.

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>FAILADELPHIA CUISINE

Hey OP!
I Live in Philly. actually only a couple blocks from the famous places like Pat's and Geno's. The cheez whiz combo isnt bad but isnt great. But do yourself a really big favor and get drunk before you eat one with whiz it will be so much better that way.

But to answer your main question i think Tony Luke's is probably what your looking for. They have most of the shiit you mention and is an actual authentic cheesesteak spot as opposed to some hipster faggotry.

Hope this helped, but tony lukes is the way to go (their roast pork is really good imho)

i kid you not, philly was the city i had the worst cheese steak sandwich at

According to Wikipedia, the most commonly used cheeses on Philly Cheesesteak are Provolone, American Cheese, and Cheese Whiz.

So I suppose you can get real cheese on it, but only if you order Provolone.

>mfw an amerifat was fat near me

>>3826083
You can get provolone at any good cheesesteak place, don't worry.

Jim's steaks on south street

get a provolone with onions

Any tips and tricks on how to make some of this? Englishman with an envy for American food here, it looks simple enough but I figure I might as well ask if there's anything specific that it needs, beyond what-you-see-is-what-you-get.

>>3826083
Never been to Philly, but this shit looks legit, check it out OP.

http://www.travelchannel.com/video/sharp-provolone-cheesesteak

I wouldn't go to Pat's or Geno's, no matter what people tell you.

Fuck a cheese steak u need to go to the reding terminal market and get yourself a roast pork from dinicks!

Real steaks use the whiz man. and it works for them. peppers and onions are all you need on them, if anything. Philly fag here.

>>3826083
Don't bother OP, the roads are terrible, the people are terrible, and the food is an overrated mess.

If you want to have some truly good cheesesteak subs the only option is steakums.

>>3826409

>>3826087
No this is a lie, cheese whiz is some shit they started in the 80s because its cheaper.

Go to Chinks, or if its too far away go to Jims.

DO NOT go to Pats or Genos

>>3826349
The bread and getting the steak sliced thin enough are the two main things that make a cheese steak good. I've been able to make a competent one at home but it didn't taste right because I couldn't slice it thin enough

>>3826426
is it so hard to believe that it might be tasty?

>>3826467
They're only good if you've never had a real cheesesteak before

>>3826467
Is that ketchup and mayo on there? Yeah, it is rather hard to believe.

>>3826469
Most people in Philly actually like Ketchup on their cheesesteaks. Its not bad but Im not a fan. Mayo is way better.

Fuck all you Eurotwats talking out your ass. Philly is a wonderful town, and friendliest place you will ever visit.

There was good advice about tho. Pats and Ginos is bullshit. Overpriced, tastes like crap, skimpy, and you will stand in line for an hour to get it. Definitely agree with the pork sammich at Reading Terminal Market. Cool place to visit, the pork is just a bonus.

> i kid you not, philly was the city i had the worst cheese steak sandwich at

This is why people from Philly bitch and moan about everyone else in the country calling their cheesesteaks "Philly". The Philly is a very specific type of cheesesteak with a very narrow definition: lean ribeye sliced thin (chopped or not, doesn't matter). American, provolone, or cheeze wiz (its usually just a cheese sauce, doesn't have to be kraft). Grilled onions optional, and its on an Amoroso roll (crusty). Any deviations from that and it can of course still be a cheesesteak, but its not Philly style. That's what trips people up.. Just because you like cheesesteaks of different styles from elsewhere does not mean you will like Philly cheesesteaks. I made same mistake when I moved here 10yrs ago. First steak I bought, I was like "wtf is this shit???"

>>3826472
Crap, forgot to include my recommendation. I would skip any big, glitzy tourist traps. Those guys try way too hard and it fucks it up. Put it this way, I have never had a good steak from any of the famous places and oddly, I have never had one from a mom-n-pop pizza place that I didn't like. Unless you are in a hurry, just find a pizza place that looks really busy and get one there. Green peppers is not standard but they will put them on there for you. Be sure to tell them you want them grilled or you will get fresh. Also, everyone tends to go light on the cheese. If you want it more like the steaks from elsewhere, ask for extra cheese, especially if you get provolone.

> Most people in Philly actually like Ketchup on their cheesesteaks. Its not bad but Im not a fan.

"Most" my ass. I have never seen anyone putting ketchup on their cheesesteak.

>>3826472
Philly is the biggest crime ridden cesspool I've ever been to and I have been to Detroit.

Just go to any pizza place that doesn't look like absolute shit and you will probably get a good steak.

>>3826481
Well you should make some friends then since every time I've gone to get a cheesesteak with someone from Philly they've gotten ketchup on their cheesesteak and think im a weirdo for getting mayo

>>3826087
>>3826089
>>3826091
Whiz is for tourists. It has never been for Philadelphians.
Whiz on cheesesteaks is something that originated in the midwest, the mitten of Michigan, to be precise. Michigander tourists to Philadelphia going to Pat's were dismayed that Pat's didn't offer their beloved whiz BS on cheesesteaks. Joey Vento, originator of Geno's, became aware of this situation and opened directly across the street from Pat's and covered his place with eye-catching shiny lights because, as we all know, midwesterners have never evolved past the point of bizarre obsessive fascination with bright, shiny object. And so, Geno's began as it was then and as it is now: as a tourist trap for fat Midwesterners.
Geno's was the first place to offer whiz on cheesesteaks.
Pat's was the first place to offer the steak sandwich.
Pat's (or Dalessandros, actually; it was a Pat's satellite place at the time) was the first to offer cheesesteak.
Ishkabibbles' original location (near Pat's and Geno's, where La Lupe Mexican restaurant currently is; Ishkabibbles' current location is on South Street) was the originator of the chicken cheesesteak (which was meant to provide cheesesteak-like food to Romaniote and Italki Jews who used to live in the area, but left in the late 80s through the mid 90s; they don't believe the kashrut ban on meat and dairy extends to poultry and dairy).

>>3826437
> Chinks.
> Jims.
Neastie detected. Stay up there. They're both pretty awful.

>>3826502
This. Or any cart on the street. Seriously. I tell tourists this all the time, but they don't often trust it, but believe me; street carts.

>>3826518
>>That one guy in the entire city that uses the word neastie and its always directed at people not from the north east

>>3826518
I was there in the spring and mine had probalone on it.

>>3826520
> that one hipster newcomer that has never lived outside of "Newbold" (lulz) and has never associated with native Philadelphians for longer than 30 minutes

They're all average except for Geno's, which is terrible. I loathe Geno's. As others have said, find a decent clean looking pizza joint and get a sandwich there. Then go to Wawa and buy one of everything.

Key to local food in any city:

If its a well known dish and specific to a certain city, most mom/pop restaurants that are worth eating at will have a pretty decent 8-9/10 version of the dish you're looking for.

Was in Philadelphia a day ago. Grabbed a cheesesteak from a street vendor. Had provolone. Kinda bland honestly. Had what I think was ketchup or spaghetti sauce on it.

Also what is with Philadalphia and spaghetti sauce. Everyone in line asked for spaghetti sauce on their shit.

>>3826537
I live in Philadelphia.
Never heard of "spaghetti sauce" on a cheesesteak.
There is such a thing as "pizzasteak" which adds tomato sauce and swaps the provolone/American cheese for shredded mozzarella. The composed sandwich is then put into a pizza oven just long enough for the mozzarella to melt.
It's impossible that you got this from a cart. You only get that at pizza joints and a handful of diners.

Watch out for steaks like the one in the pic. Notice that it is thick cut. Its not a bacon sammich, and thick cut is a completely different texture. It should be just slightly thicker than the beef from Arby's.

>>3826551
> I think was ketchup or spaghetti sauce on it.

He's trollin ya bro. Don't worry, summer is almost over.

>>3826559
Totally not trolling.

> put into a pizza oven just long enough for the mozzarella to melt.

Speaking of that, try an original philly steak first without modification (a half is fine, it just so you know what it tastes like). After that, get it however you want.

My favorite is cheesesteak grinder. Regular cheesesteak with lettuce, tomato, onions, and american or provolone on top. Then they bake it until the cheese browns.

>>3826562
I know what you're talking about. Some local places put tomato sauce on their cheesesteak to make them "unique". I usually ask for no sauce.

>>3826385
this a thousand times

>>3826653
No; they don't. No place in Philadelphia will put tomato sauce on a cheesesteak without being asked for it. Ever. They add tomato sauce if you order a pizzasteak and that's it.

It always tickles me that some people are actually proud to be from that shithole Philadelphia.

nothing good comes from philly its the city of brotherly murder.

pic related a real cheese steak.

The only good thing with the word Philadelphia as it's name is cream cheese.

>Where can I go in Philadelphia to find a place that sells cheesesteaks using REAL cheese? Like I dunno, melted mozzarella or provolone or whatever. Also green peppers or grilled onions or something like that would be a nice bonus.

Basically anywhere that isn't cuntrag "brand name" cheesesteak joints. Tons of places use mozzerella or american, sometimes provolone. DW about it. Anyone who tells you that wiz is an authentic philly and then tries to chock onions and peppers on it with a shiteating grin on their face screeching AUTHENTIC AUTHENTIC deserves their reproductive organs scooped out with a spoon without anesthesia.

I mean sure that shit's okay but they're by no means the most common. They're just the most publicized.

/phillyfag

>>3826819
> pic related a real cheese steak.

Penn Station = a "real" cheesesteak??

They're actually pretty damn good and about the closest thing to a real Philly I've seen outside of philadelphia. In fact I think it would qualify.

I do suspect you probably never compared the two since closest Penn Station to here is 650 miles. And poorfags around there couldn't afford a drive to Philly and if they were loaded with that kind of dough, they could obvious go to some place hip like Nashville or Indianapolis instead.

>>3826769
> It always tickles me that some people are actually proud to be from that shithole Philadelphia.

I don't understand why you would bother to waste your time with such a feeble troll attempt? As if some would get rustled about the quality or style of the local crimal element. Besides, there no more/less murder here than anywhere else. Only crime problem here is the thieves. They have gotten desparate since the whole 2008 thing. They will break in your house and steal the food out of your fridge, shampoo out of your shower, aluminum siding off your house.

The hoodlums prowl around at night and if you don't bring your house or refrigerator with you, you'll be just fine.

>>3826900
Clearly, you haven't been "here" long (or, as I suspect, you don't actually live in Philadelphia at all).
Violent crime has been on a recent climb around the nicer areas such as Olde City (where a/many parking attendant/s stomped a man to death), Society Hill (where a man was robbed and shot at gun point a few years ago and another man similarly attacked just last month or so), Bellavista and the newly christened "Hawthorne" (where a café-worker showed up for her opening shift only to be pushed into the shop, shoved into the bathroom, raped and beaten last year) and Northern Liberties (where the opening of the Piazza was met with a gun duel).
Oddly, the less ritzy areas are more safe, likely due to octogenarian neighbours, their watchful eyes, 911-speed dials and distrust of outsiders.

This is my adoptive home town. I'm a foreigner (from Europe or Asia... depends on what you'd consider as "where I came from") to the US, living in Philadelphia. I very much like it here; it is, thus far, my favourite American city. Even if I'm disgusted by many newcomer hipsters and many asshole locals alike, the vast majority of people here, like anywhere, are good and caring neighbours, if a little pushy or brusk.

OP, I'm from the suburbs of Philadelphia, and traditionally, everyone uses cheese wiz on their cheese steaks which I find utterly disgusting. About 30 minutes out of the city you can get to a small join in Wilmington, Delaware called Claymont SteakShop, and they use provolone slices on their steaks. Alternatively, you can order it from pat's PIZZA. Not Pat's cheese steaks.

>>3826956
> This is my adoptive home town. I'm a foreigner (from Europe or Asia... depends on what you'd consider as "where I came from") to the US, living in Philadelphia.

Of course. Sissy eurotwat or asian getting freaked out because someone got murdered. Let me guess, you sit and stare at the TV and watch the taboid evening news where they spend the first 15 minutes of every broadcast to show you the most hideous stuff they could possibly dig up. And almost all immigrants who brought their animalistic tendancies with them. Just stay out of their trashy neighborhoods (why would u go there anyways?) And the only exposure you have will be from the TV.

For a city with 5 million people of course people will be stomped and shot and raped. That happens everywhere, and at a higher rate than in Philly. Just from the size alone its as big 15 "big" cities in the midwest combined, and most of those cities will have a murder or two per week. They have the benefit of spreading their totals out over 15 different city names.

Its like saying NYC has a higher crime rate than Detroit because 3 people were murder today in NYC, but only 2 in Detroit.

>>3827014
> Driving 30 minutes to Deleware to get provolone on your steak

That's dumb. OP is going to philadelphia not deleware. I'll bet you $1,000 and a BJ that every shop you go to will have provolone.

If you tell me an approximate address or which hotel you will stay at, I will personally research it and give you an exact recommendation. See, told u we are friendly.

Pat's and Geno's are tourist traps?
Should of figured that Steak Paradise would lie to me.

>>3826900
>Nashville
>hip
wut?? I suppose if you like bars and country music, but I live here, and would not suggest it as a vacation spot. There aren't enough local restaurants of quality, either... Just a bunch of overhyped places that only sell southern food.

>>3827047
Reason I was asking... In case you need it delivered, don't have a car, need to go by train, etc. Even with a car, I think you may be a bit shocked at the size of the place. If you happen to fly in and drive/cab to your destination, look out over the horizon when you are on the bridge by the shipyard. That's like 150 feet above the water, and still, the center city is wayyy the fuck out on the horizon, so far it looks tiny. The city extends about that same distance to the and right, and about twice as far behind it (north). You certainly don't want to drive from one end to the other for a sammich. They really not that great.

>>3827062
>Nashville
>hip

Was being sarcastic. I lived in Ohio my whole life and always wondered why my parents always headed south for vacation and never, ever east.

Then I drove to Philly. Holy fuck. That PA turnpike is the absolute most boring drive you will ever take. Its a solid 10 hour drive from one side to the other, and in a lot of spots it is so desolate you don't even have a cell signal or radio station. The Amish don't want you around so exits are rare.

The point... If you are driving to a vacation spot, 1/3 of your time might get eaten up with the travel, so you at least want to drive through some interesting areas.

PA and West Vagina -> nope

>>3827041
>5 million
There's 1,5, at most.
NYC has a lower crime rate than Philadelphia. You're not from here, you don't live here, you know nothing of here and you quote completely made-up statistics. 5 million my cunt lips.
Next, the "immigrant neighbourhoods" are the safe ones. All those neighbourhoods are predominantly and overwhelmingly and extremely white. But... you'd know that if you lived here.
Stop making things up and making assumptions about what I know, what I do and what I watch. I don't even watch the news; what I know about it is from talking to friends, associates, colleages and people on the street. Also... all the fucking signs in every coffee shop from Olde City to EPX about the rape at Bean Exchange for, like... a year.

There is a really nice food cart right by independence hall. The sammich I got there was beyond tasty. I'd highly recommend it

>>3827059
Pat's used to be for Philadelphian's, but after the collapse of their satellite locations in Roxborough/Manayunk, Southwest and Northeast, the remaining location had to follow Geno's example and cater to fat midwesterners rather than fat locals, so they serve whiz now, too.

If you're going to be near Pat's and Geno's, go to J&J. It's within spitting distance of the two and has a superior cheesesteak altogether. Really, best thing you can do is just buy it from a cart. Trust. Carts are better than any place that does cheesesteak almost (if not entirely) exclusively.

the AUTHENTIC "cheese steak" is cheese wiz...you dipshit, if its anything else its a steak and cheese sub, which is better but dont say you want a cheesesteak but not how its supposed to be made.

>>3827079
>authentic cheesesteak
>cheese whiz
1) Philadelphia doesn't even use the word "sub." Not in reference to sandwiches and not even in reference to underground trains (well, Philly used to, but that terminology has been on the steady decline for 15 years now and will eventually fall into complete dissuse).
2) Cheesesteak was first created in the 30s.
3) Cheese whiz was first available in the 50s.
4) That's 20 years before cheese whiz.
5) ?
6) You're stupid.

Definitely provolone. Lived here all my life and that's all I've ever eaten. That's a real Philly Cheesesteak.

I've lived in Philadelphia all my life and Cheez Whiz is certainly not the "authentic" at all. If anything, it's just the mainstream type of cheesesteak people think of because of Pats and Genos being on TV and shit. There are plenty of places on the corners of Philadelphia that can make cheesesteaks a million times better than either of those. Mostly, you are going to find America or Provolone as the main cheese.

Best thing to do OP, would be to go somewhere in Roxborough/Manayunk and look for either Eve's, Chubby's, or Right off main and get a Cheesesteak from there. Also, make sure you get Banana peppers on it.

>>3826083
You can get excellent cheesesteaks in any northeastern/midwestern city, even though they originated in Philly like with so many other things they have been improved elsewhere

>>3827530
Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit
Don't listen to this guy. I haven't gotten a good cheesesteak anywhere past the Lehigh Valley. Especially over in Pitt.

>>3826472
I'm from new york, lived in Harlem, philly is a big shit hole full of rude people, people say we are rude but people in philly were actually mean stomping around like blow hards. I was walking down the street and there was a guy getting the shit kicked out of him by 4 black guy, they were grabbing on to him and punching him, I don't know if he was getting robbed or what but it was right in the middle of a sidewalk with people all around and nobody even spared a passing glance like this is just a typical thing, walked right by it like business as usual. And the cheese steak sandwiches blew, I have had better cheesesteaks out if gas station markets. If you want a better sandwich buy some steakums and pop them in the microwave with some processed cheese on top and its higher quality than that trash I ate there.

>>3826083
Every Philly cheesesteak sandwich I've ever had has been an exploration of sadness. No other sandwich on this list gets as much scrutiny and faux expertise bloviating about the "real" sandwich as much as the Philly cheesesteak. It's not even a sandwich anymore, it's just an excuse to be smug (like New Yorkers and their magic pizza).

Went to Philly in May and the first thing I did was get a cheesesteak. Apparently, Tony Luke's has the best in town. I really liked it, I did the touristy thing - "wiz + wit" (wit apparently means with onions and peppers. But I do remember a provolone option. Good luck!

http://www.tonylukes.com/

>>3827539
the best cheesesteak I ever had was in fucking Wisconsin. All of the philly popular places are completely unremarkable

>>3827553
The difference is new york actually has good pizza and is in fact a destination, philly cheesesteaks are shit in philly

>>3827560
Its funny how philly has ruined cheesesteaks by making wiz the go to option when provolone is so much superior

philly cheesesteaks for the most part suck, and philadelphia for the most part is a shitty dump. i've had better cheesesteaks in fucking houston. but the best cheesesteak i've ever had was bought from a small deli inside of an antique shop about 45 minutes out of philadelphia. i don't remember the name of the place but the sandwich was godly.

>>3827578
yea i agree. i dig me a good steak and provolone but that whiz is fucking heinous. i don't know why they rep it so hard, maybe to make them "unique". imo its just nasty and in poor taste.

>>3827567
Heh, I live in Wisconsin, and the hospital cafeteria across from where I work makes ones that are just as good as any that I've had in Philly. Of course they use provolone, don't even think cheese whiz is an option.

>>3827586
>i don't know why they rep it so hard
probably because its significantly cheaper, and philly residents aren't exactly known for their affluence

Don't get me wrong, I -love- real proper cheese on my cheesesteaks, but sometimes reverting to childhood where you just don't give a crap about what you are putting in your body... oh yeah. Gimme dat wiz.

>>3826083
I honestly see nothing that special about a cheesesteak sandwich. It tastes pretty one dimensional, kinda bland really. But it is really nice comfort food i guess? Nice richness etc.

Really you don't need to be in philly to make this thing.

Provolone is too mild for a cheesesteak. Cheez whiz and American are kinda shitty, so I get cheddar on mine typically, but I don't live in Philadelphia.

What I can tell you though, don't trust any of the advice on this board from someone who has the audacity to call it a "sammich." They are clearly 10 years old and probably lack adult taste buds.

>>3827596
steak and cheese are two of the best foods known to man, so cheesesteak should be pretty good

>>3827594
I prefer provolone to wiz because of taste, not because I care about what I put in my body

>>3827594
that'd be fine if whiz actually tasted good. i don't really worry about what is good for me, i just like things that taste nice. whiz tastes straight up cheap and bad.

>>3827596
there is absolutely nothing special about a cheesesteak made in philly as opposed to a cheesesteak made elsewhere. unlike new york or chicago or st.louis or any other cities special pizzas, there is nothing that makes a philly cheesesteak any better than a cheesesteak made anywhere else.

that being said, i do like cheesesteaks but the ones in philadelphia weren't any better or different than the ones anywhere else. i live in texas not far from a shop that specializes in cheesesteaks, but they are higher quality, less expensive, and bigger than the shit i had in philadelphia. and yea they do offer whiz, but most people opt for provolone. and they also offer italian hot peppers which makes any cheesesteak 100x better.

>>3827604
i love getting banana peppers on my cheesesteak

It really upsets me how shit philly is because there is so much national history and monuments there, same with DC, total shit hole, its sad to me the nations capital with beautiful marble monuments and museums is surrounded by such a high crime poverty ridden area, but then again its a very accurate representation of our governments failings that there are beggers down the block from the presidents giant mansion.

>>3827602
>>3827604

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just figured a lot of people felt that way. I kinda like the whiz, even if its chemically tasting to me. I think its more a texture/color thing.

>>3827627
those areas are old and full of history. but the cities are just that, they are history. its just a bunch of old crap and poverty these days, the glory days are over. call my superficial but i'd much rather live in a shiny new and booming part of miami, houston, phoenix, or los angeles. to me old cities are depressing and dead, i feel like i am in a tomb or a decaying monument. to me new development and growth is a result of prosperity and it makes me feel optimistic about our future. those old and worn out cities are just so depressing to me.

sage for highly off topic, i just wanted to say that.

>>3827653
god dammit i forgot to sage. sorry.

>>3827634
don't worry, you didn't come across as being rude at all. and there isn't a damn thing wrong with liking whiz if it tastes good to you, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. i just personally do not like the way that it tastes and i feel that it is a cheap substitute for a decent cheese. but to each their own, if you like some whiz then eat some motherfucking whiz and don't give any fucks about what we say.

>>3827663
Th-thank you

>>3826526
What the fuck is newbold? I went to college at Temple and lived on campus, in north, and south philly and all my roommates and most of my friends were from Philly. You're the only person to ever use the word neastie.

Real Cheesesteaks have Provolone. Mozzarella at the least.

If you're hellbent on a yellow cheese, go Cheddar. Everything's better with cheddar.

Damn now I want a cheesesteak with green peppers and smothered in fried onions. Fuck you all.

>>3827530
Yea you're full of shit, I've never gotten a good one outside of the Philadelphia metro area EXCEPT in NYC, but they are the exception to the rule when it comes to nearly every regional dish in the world. Im not even from Philly, but I had my first cheesesteak there and lived there for a while until recently. Im always mad at myself when I order a cheesesteak when I'm not there

>>3826530
One of the best comments I've seen all night. Wawa is the shit.

>>3827694
>Yea you're full of shit, I've never gotten a good one outside of the Philadelphia metro area EXCEPT in NYC
Then you really haven't tried. I have gotten them in all sorts of places across the north

I would imagine the south would be tougher because they suck at most things, but thats just speculation

>>3827698
is that so? hows the tex mex and bbq up there? had a good chimichanga lately?

>>3827694
Did you read the thread? There is a pretty overwhelming agreement that philly is one of the worst places to get one.

>>3827705
Im saying that is wrong and is just hold over from people hating Philly. Cheesesteaks became one of my favorite things while I lived there and they legitimately suck outside the area.

A fantastic cheese steak usually ranges from 7-10 bucks in Philly, with a competent one starting at 5. Once you leave the area you're lucky to find a shitty one for less than 8 and the cheesesteaks I've had outside the area that match the competent level have always been atleast 10+. I've only ever had a good one outside the city. Once Im spending that much I might as well just pay some more and go for an actual steak.

>>3827718
>only ever had one good one outside the city
obviously

>>3827718
holy shit, those prices are fucking insane. i can get a 10 inch fully loaded cheesesteak here for like $6, and it tastes better than anything i had in philadelphia. better meat, more meat, better cheese (provolone) more cheese, grilled onions, hot peppers. what the fuck? what is minimum wage in philly? unless its $10 an hour then that shit is over fucking priced.

Can someone please tell me which place in Philly does not have provolone? I've gotten provolone on every single cheesesteak I've ever gotten in the city.

>>3827745
Tony Lukes has provolone, but its gross tasting extra sharp variety that ruins the sandwich.

>>3826518

Philadelphian here. South Philly currently, lived in NE practically all my life though. First time every hearing the term 'neastie.'

On the OP's note, I would recommend Chinks in the Northeast. Funny because I've tried Tony Luke's, Geno's, Jim's, and Ishkabibbles. I would rate those 5 in this order.

1. Chinks
2. Ishkabibble's
3. Jim's
4. Tony Luke's
5. Geno's

Funny how Geno's is the big touristy trap. Haven't tried Pat's quite yet though. I actually live about 5-6 blocks south of both of Geno's and Pat's.

Also, I prefer American/wit.

These threads are hilarious. It's just a fucking steak sandwhich, make one at home with actual quality ingredients.

>>3827772
Home made ones aren't as good because its nearly impossible to get the meat sliced thin enough. The bread is a major component and the good places all get their bread from local bakeries.

>>3827766
Pretty sure neastie is a term he or one of his friends made up. Every thread I've ever seen on here that has to do with Philly or cheesesteaks that same guy always uses the term neastie at some point in the conversation.

>>3827777
Right, if minimum wage paid minorities in Philly, of all places, can manage to cut it thin, I'm sure anyone could. And there are bakeries all over the fucking country.

Seriously though, it's the 21st century. These ingredients are available everywhere. Regional food is pointless.

>>3827783
Regional foods still exist because someone when someone tries to bring the food back they always try to put their own spin on it or get the recipe wrong. Usually they fuck it up and its not as good, every so often its good but its too different to be called the same thing

Well have fun with the deli slicer in your kitchen

>>3827783
Bakeries exist all over the world, but the same bread doesn't. Bakeries in Philly make their rolls different.

>>3827766

Sup, >>3827779 here again. Just checked urbandictionary. It's not even on there. I think your hypothesis is correct and this dunce is just trying to coin one of his own terms. Through 4chan, of all places.

>>3827795

Ah, fucked up the post ID's, but you get the idea.

>>3827792
Because no other bakery inthe world can produce a crusty white bread

Right

>>3827777
Any butcher shop or supermarket will be capable of slicing it for you when you buy it.

>Cheez Whiz

All the faggots in Philly say it is done that way, but Provolone is the best way to do it.

>>3827795
Bullshit you checked urban dictionary, because here's the link:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Neasty

>>3827850
OK so you posted it on there a while ago. 14 ups and 15 downs means no one uses the term. Now look up jawn, a term people from philly actually use.

>>3827850
Found the oldest unmistakable reference online to the term referring specifically to Northeast Philadelphia and things from there is from 2004.
There are some older references, but I'm not convinced they're not typos of either "nasty" or "beastie."
>>3827847
No Philadelphian eats it with whiz who isn't a neasty/neastie.

>>3827854
>implying
Nope.
You've likely never heard "Fifth and Jabip," have you? No? Know why? You don't know anything about Philadelphia, that's why.

I love cheese steaks but 99 miles to Philly here sucks and I've never been to Philly so I'll leave the experts to it lol.

But I would just like to bring up the fact that it seems like the argumentative anon who misquotes people, derails threads and simply likes to argue is again doing what he/she does best.

You were called out a few nights ago in a few threads... Vent your frustrations on another board. You know who you are.

Colleges in Philadelphia. Just go to a lunch truck down town for the way cheese steaks, pat's and Gino's just use the cheese whiz

>>3827854
Oh! Look! A NEWSPAPER article archived on dagooglez that uses the term to refer to fashion trends amongst girls in... Northeast Philadelphia! Really!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Jbgur8vGYuoJ:archives.citypaper.net/articles/20
08/04/17/shopping-spree

It's a term. Because you've never heard it just means you're cloistered, not that it's not a term.
You don't speak Aramaic; I guess that never existed, either.

>>3827869
Which posts would you say? This doesn't seem irregular for a normal /ck/ thread.

My favorite place to get a cheesesteak is at a Diner. They make 'em to order, rather than an assembly line, so the roll is toasted and delicious.

Wawa's cheese steaks are okay for what they are. I like mine with yellow mustard, raw onion, and pickles. Sounds weird, but it tastes good. If you get it toasted, don't put too many condiments on it because it will get soggy very quickly.

>>3827869
how in fucks sake can you live 99 miles from a major city that everyone in the country knows about and not have been to it? do you have a fucking car? do you have a fucking day off of work? for fucks sake, drive to philadelphia if its really that close.

i'm not saying that because its a good place to go to, its a fucking shit-stye. i hate philadelphia. but man, its a major city and i dont know how you can be so close and not go. fuck, have you even been to baltimore or d.c.? put down the bottle and go to some cities, yal are lucky because everything is close together up there. you should really take advantage of that and explore. i mean hell, the closest big city to mine is like 250 miles away and i go there all the time.

>>3827891
He lives in NYC. Brooklyn native, methinks.

>>3827891
He might live in the Alabama part of Pennsylvania. Still no excuse for never going to Philly though

>>3827897
see >>3827894

>>3827882
Not even gonna get into it...

>>3827891
99 miles to Philly is a place that serves cheese steaks here, it's okay, but I've never had a cheese steak from Philly.

>>3827891
>>3827894
There is no excuse. Many different trains go into Philly.

I won't say Philly is the greatest city ever, but you should go and see it. There are a lot of different things to experience. I will say it's not as great now as it was 10-20 years ago. South Street is barely worth visiting, except if you want to bar hop at night. Independence Mall is depressing with all the security wall bullshit. The Philadelphia Museum of Art is nice, though.

>>3827894
>>3827897
no, i know he lives in nyc because i am on /ck/ alot. which is cool, nyc is arguably the best city in america. but even still i cannot fathom how somebody so close to so many other "important" and culturally significant cities could so badly fail at not bothering to go to them. nyc is 10/10, but for fucks sake when you are surrounded by other big cities so close wouldn't you wanna at least see them. i mean just one time?

>>3827905
i agree with going to see it, but personally i think its a shitty city overall. not trying to offend the philly natives, thats just what it is. but it is definitely worth visiting, there is a ridiculous amount of history and character in philly. i'd never live there but i'd visit again in a heartbeat.

>>3827904
You're not missing too much, likely. So long as you avoid whiz and just buy cheesesteak from a cart, you're golden.
Really, any cart in the city will have a better cheesesteak than any big name cheesesteak joints.

>>3827905
Currently, East Passyunk is "the new South Street." It's become the epicenter for fagdom, bohemia, hipsterdom and bad coffee places that don't think they're bad. Also, useless nick-nack shops, soap stores, "hand-made" (on a machine... what?) woolens and brick-a-brack and all the stuff that South Street had once. No tattoo parlours or peircing shops yet, though. Doubt there ever will be, to be honest, but there /is/ a firing range!

>>3827913
Out of curiosity, what makes it shitty in your eyes? What makes a good city? I'm really very interested in this sort of stuff.

>>3827913
>>3827906

I like Pennsylvania, been to Pittsburg, just haven't had the chance, time, $ to visit Philly. I travel through Penn. a few times a year.

>>3827916
Personally, I just miss Pearl Art Supply and the tshirt/thrift store. Pearl closing was bad enough, then once the other place closed, I haven't been back.

>>3827925
The thrift store moved down the street into a smaller storefront. To its original storefront, actually. That larger one was a Blockbuster once-upon-a-time, then that closed and Retrospect moved in.
Better than Retrospact, though, is PAT/TFA (Philly Aids Thrift/Thrift For Aids) which is on East Passyunk but just off of South Street (Passyunk and Montrose-ish area).
It's triple to quadruple the size of Retrospect with a cheaper bottom line and a furniture delivery service.

>>3827922
you should go man. and i'm really not trying to be a dick and give you a hard time, for the most part i like your posts and your cool. it just really bothers me that someone can live two hours from a major city like philly and have never been there. fucken go man, day trip. do the tourist shit and have a mediocre cheesesteak. but at least you'll be able to say you've been to philadelphia.

>>3827918
It's dirty with bird shit all over the place that looks like it goes months without a hosedown, homeless people everywhere, rude people, indifference to crime and plenty of it, and if its not annoying hipsters its angry old racists.

>>3827933
>mediocre
If he gets it from a cart, it'll be better than mediocre and still only cost $5.
Food Tek (which is now Steaks on South) used to have a bizarre cheesesteak twist: crabsteak. In Philly, and likely other places, too, appending "crab" before something implies the addition of Old Bay seasoning. Crabfries? French fries with Old Bay seasoning. That sort of thing. Crabsteak sounds weird, I know, but on a chicken cheesesteak, Old Bay is actually pretty good. I don't think SoS has crabsteaks, but you could always sneak your own little shaker to try on whatever cheesesteak from whatever place you hapen to buy it.

>>3827918
its old, filthy, poor, compact, sketchy, and sometimes dangerous. there is little natural beauty in the city itself. everything i saw was bricks, puke, grime, and poor people. it seems like nothing has changed since the 60's, its just gotten poorer and more worn out.

i'm glad i came though, i did enjoy some things there. i would never want to live there, though.

>>3827932
It's not Retrospect. I don't even think the place had a name. Just "dream" hand painted above its doorway. The last time I was there, the guy was selling the property, potentially to become a bar/restaurant. :(

>>3827933
Noted. I just don't have the time to travel much. If I do have the time it's usually Japan (in law family stuff)

But I like your idea of a day trip deal... I've done that with DC. I've always wanted to see Philly, Boston too, imma fan of city architecture and of course food!

>>3827936
The birdshit /does/ go months without a hosedown, this is true. It's disgusting.
Fun fact: cold season's longer in Philly than in neighbouring areas cuz the bird shit dries up, gets inhaled by people, carrying bacteria and virii along with it, then people get sick. Pretty gross.
As for the homeless: I don't know how true it is, but I hear that in Philly, for some reason inexplicable, identification is needed in order to enter a city-run shelter. I think this is pretty bizarre, really, but it's weird enough to be true. Knowing how shitty city council and the mayor's office is, I wouldn't doubt it, especially since (and I know this for a fact, since I used to volunteer time and money helping the homeless and still do occasionally) a site needs a restaurant license in order to handout sandwiches to the homeless. Read that again: if you want to hand sandwiches to the homeless as a non-profit, you have to buy a restaurant license from the city. Yup.
I don't find the people here necessarily rude except the hipsters, to be honest. Brusk, sure, but not rude. Just something I find bizarre that this is a popularly held opinion.
I can patently say that there is no indifference to crime on the part of the community; on the part of the police, unless one of their own is wronged, though, absolutely.
They still haven't caught the guy who shot that teacher in Society Hill at point-blank from a few years back and I doubt they'll catch the one who shot the other guy last month, but when some guy in West or East Oak Lane (don't remember which) shot a cop, rest-assured, the police found him... over a thousand miles away, in Florida... within 24 hours of the murder.
As for the angry old racists: this is a problem, absolutely, but their way of thinking will eventually die out.
What makes a good city, other than the absense of those negative traits?

>>3827948
Was it Imagine (pic related)? If so, it wasn't a thrift store, just very, very cheap. It's a jewelry store now.

>>3827954
sweet jesus. you live in ny and you haven't been to philly OR boston? get yourself together man. yes, do a day trip to each of them. savor the inferior foods and admire the inferior architecture. walk around awhile. but hey, at least you've been there. they aren't nyc but they are both definitely worth seeing since you live so close. pack a sack full of kosher pastrami and corned beef for the trip, throw your waifu in the station wagon and fucking go! GO!

>>3827974
Yes! Damn it, I loved that store. They did have thrifted tshirts along with their mass-produced tshirts.

>>3827947
>little natural beauty
It has the largest city park in the world, complete with rolling hills, waterfalls, caves, streams and mulberry trees.

Can't argue against the other points, though except the "gotten poorer" bit: it's been gentrifying at an incredible rate. Property values in many parts of the city have been doubling or even tripling every 5 years for the last 15.

>>3827978
I liked it, too. Haven't found a hat to replace the one I bought there a few years ago and I lost that hat because I left it behind after an (overly) prolonged hospital stay (4 months straight).
It cost me only $3, but it was priceless.
The hot dreadlocked girl that worked there now works across the street in the Celtic/Pagan/Wicca store.

>>3827982
point taken on the gentrification bit, its been a little over 10 years since ive been so i can't speak for how it is now if its changed. i know my city is way different and better than it was ten years ago due to gentrification, so i'll take your word. i would very much like to visit again.

>>3827985
Yeah I have a tshirt I bought there from their going-out-of-business sale, and I'm sad because after a few years of washings, the printing on it is starting to crack.

>>3827970
Positives just need to outweigh negatives, its hard to enjoy monuments in philly when they are covered in feces

Sadly yes, canned cheese is the "original".

However, most places offer sliced (sometimes just "cheese product", but stay clear of those...) instead, should you so desire. Peppers are also optional.
The "big" two places have such options. And they're relatively good.

Honestly, there is no flavor that is unique to either place: it's pretty easily replicated. Cheesesteak is chesesteak.

>>3827992
I can see your point there. I work as an interpreter and translator, so I have to deal with tons of people from other countries and cultures; I myself am a Euro who was raised in Asia, so blah blah blah. Anyway...
Many of the people that come here and need 'terps or translation work are similarly appalled at the birdshit dilemma and the large numbers of raving vagrants; there's sadly nothing anyone can do, since city politics are so corrupt here that the only way to fix it all is to destroy council and rebuild from the ground up. Short of that, we're kind of stuck with the vagrants, the indifferent police and bird-shit-coated statuary for a long, long time.
I'm kind of used to it, I guess, having been here for quite a number of years now.

Philly cheesesteaks use cheese whiz. Nasty as fuck. If you want a real cheesesteak, it needs onions, mushrooms, and peppers on it, and provolone cheese.

IMO, your best bet is to just make one yourself. Get a ribeye, and lightly sear it on both sides, not till it's cooked, just so it firms up enough to slice, and then slice that fucker into strips as thin as you can fucking get. Then, throw some sliced onions, mushrooms, and bell peppers in a pan, and cook until the onions are nice and browned. Add the sliced steak in, and cook until it's done.

For cheese, you can either use just plain old provolone slices, or you can do what I do, and make a beer cheese sauce.

For the sauce:

1. Dice up about 1/2 cup of onion, and saute in a small saucepan with half a stick of butter, and a tablespoon of flour. Once the onions start to brown, add a bottle of brown beer, along with about 1/2 cup of half and half, and 1 cup of provolone, and half a cup of shredded cheddar. Cook until it's nice and thick.

Philadelphia fag here.
Geno's is alright but I love Steve's.
Get it with American cheese, with onions.
It's a bit pricy but it's fucking amazing.

>>3827916
Cart cheesesteaks are good, and cheaper than any cheesesteak you'll ever get outside the city, but Chinks and Jims are better.

>>3828556
Jim's is rubbish. Chinks is good, but in the middle of nowhere. Dalessandros is better than either of those places by leaps and bounds, but I don't recommend it because it's out of the way. Though both Chinks and Dalessandros are within city limits, they're both a rough 30 minute drive from Center City/Downtown Philadelphia and not worth the effort to drive to either for a mere cheesesteak since there's absolutely nothing else to do in either area.
For tourists, I recommend sticking with carts in town. For locals, if you live near Dalessandros or Chink's, go there by all means and disregard the cart suggestion. For locals who don't live near either, I'd recommend giving them both a try.

>>3827974
Haha...I used to live down that alleyway, near 3rd and bainbridge. South Street sucks though, it went way downhill in recent years (too many trashy people from jersey). I am so happy I moved to Manayunk.

>>3827997
>>Sadly yes, canned cheese is the "original".
You're a liar