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>Also, I take fish oil pills when I can.

well you're already a friggin' pescetarian then, aren't you.

Treatment of fish isn't much better than treatment of other animals, the only reason people become pescetarians is because they don't think fish and seafoods are "cute" enough to care about the same way.

>>3736088
Hm yeah, guess so. I was thinking that to I mean I would have an easier* time chopping off a head of a fish rather than of a chicken or cow.

Still seems like fish struggle when they die but they don't scream as loudly as a chicken or cow.

>>3736088

>the only reason people become pescetarians is because they don't think fish and seafoods are "cute" enough to care about the same way

I was under the impression it was because -- and excuse me if this is just a myth -- fish do not feel pain. No pain and suffering -- no moral dilemma.

>>3736095

They're not struggling. They're swimming.

When you enter the water, how do you swim? Usually upright and kicking your legs. You're walking, essentially.

Fish do the same when they're flat on the sides.

Think about it.

>>3736105
Well, there has to be a mechanism (for lack of words) that activates when the fish tries to swim away, and it's probably some kind of pain or fear.

>but dunno if I'm missing out on some kind of special mineral only found in meats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_b12

>>3736113
nah I can get b12 from rice milk or eggs

>but dunno if I'm missing out on some kind of special mineral only found in meats.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Benefit-Of-Cod-Liver-Oil.html

Just read the part about Vitamin A.

>>3736088
>that feel when I think shrimp and crabs are pretty cute

Why do they have to be delicious?

>>3736077

My wife, who's been vegetarian for 12 years, has recently had some health issues because of her lifestyle. She doesn't eat a healthy vegetarian diet (inb4 there isn't one), so she's allowed me to cook wild game (deer, turkey, trout, bass, crappie, bluegill and locally grown beef) for her lately.

We're trying to eat a "cruelty free" diet, and I don't think I have a definition of that yet. I don't want to eat chicken that's been in a coop its entire life because it doesn't taste good, and she doesn't want to eat a chicken that's been cooped its entire life because that's not moral for her. Same goes for any other meat source.

If you're not like her, and you are eating a balanced vegetarian diet, try to include some nutritional yeast in there for B12, and try to find some multivitamins without animal derivatives. Nutritional yeast is pretty tasty, anyway.

Marine Biologist (in training) here, are you missing out in terms of nutridents that cannot be in non-animal products by being vegetarian? Most probably yes.

Can you replace that with pills or synthetic substitutes? Also probably yes.

But if you approach this from a animal-welfare prespective or a sustainablilty prespective, consuming fish/seafood in generally is not going to end the world.

Most land based animal farming has a feed:flesh ratio of around 4:1 at the minimum, fish has a average of 2:1.
For as long as there will be consumption of meat and fishthere will be accusations of cruelty because some of them will feel pain. The only thing you can do is give it a quick, painless one and hope that its lived a relatively stress free life.

>>3736148

I think you just gave me my definition of eating cruelty free. I want the animal to have a normal stress level (i.e. only caring about whether or not natural/human predators are going to get them, not staring at a cage wall or sitting in an overcrowded farm pond all day). Killing the animals you eat with your own hands also tells you that they died instantly, whereas you may have qualms about beef standing in death lines all day.

>>3736113
Idiot. That is in pretty much all animal products.

>>3736162
yeah, but have you ever shot a deer in the rump instead of the heart and then had to track its bloody hoofprints in the snow for 4 hours only to find it cowering in a dirty ditch while it bleeds out. feels bad man. and you might never find the thing - it's agonizing.

but this is rare. and still better than slaughterhouses.

I went from ovo-lacto vegetarian to chicketarian (fish & chicken & veg); now I'm back to a full omni diet.

The big thing to remember: you don't have to eat meat at every meal; much of the diet can still be vegetarian, plus an occasional bit of deliciously murdered animal flesh.

Should you? Hell yes. Tuna steaks every weekend.

>>3736148
If you are a marine biologist (in training) you would realize how wild harvest are fucking up our oceans/lakes, and how lots of farming practices are causing the introduction of invasive spp. to water bodies, proliferation of pathogens, poor pollution control measures, etc.

>>3736168

You must not be in a very good place to hunt, or you must not be very selective in your shooting.

>>3736116
>Milk
>Eggs
Unless you're raising your own animals, the conditions for dairy cows and hens aren't much better. If you don't live in a city, maybe you should consider keeping a few chickens for eggs (and possibly meat), and doing a bit of hunting.

>>3736184
Sometimes the deer turns and runs right before you shoot... it happens.

>>3736168
How the fuck is that better then a slaughter house?? Live stocks are usually killed instantly not left to run in fear for hours while slowly bleeding to death.

>>3736101

fuck fish, and most animals. im a pescatarian cuz shrimp is just too delicious. im not into sympathy for the animals, they taste great and are plentiful.

>>3737152

thanks for announcing that, feel better now?

I love it how whenever a completely neutral speculative remark about animal pain is seen, the self-cutting absinthe-drinking marilyn manson listening edgy "atheists" come out and announce that they have no concern for animal welfare.

>>3737159

i just joined this thread cuz i saw tasty fried catfish.

thats my favorite fried fish!

i think people are more concerned with cruelty to animals because standing up against cruelty to humans is harder.

>>3737128
Not only that but people seem to have the "noble savage" fallacy more and more, certainly for animals.
Surviving in nature is not fun, no, not even for (most) wild animals. Why do you think we took ourselves out of it?

I'm a damn wildlife biologist, I get to count cute little baby animals with maggots crawling all over them (which is totally normal), almost all nests/litters die horrible deaths, bigger animals are plagued by parasites; ticks, flies, warbles.

Meanwhile farm animals might get pushed into the slaughter bin by a bulldozer at some super shitty factory. Yanno, AFTER being fed and pampered for their entire two year life span (which is way better than most wild animals get). We do some shitty things to farmed chickens, though.

This goes for all the minor little critters we like to eat, nature is cool for some critters- like orcas, they do terribly in captivity. But some of you fu/ck/s want to eat them surely.

>>3737171

id eat pan seared orca. eskimoes did.

>>3737159
Hehe, I've seen that archtype too. I think it's less the counter culture type kids you describe, more the counter-counter culture angry middle class kids that had super nice and supportive ex-hippy/liberal parents. and want to tear down anyone with any kind of real convictions and concerns. They usually become republicans too. lols

>>3737177

sounds disgusting. pretty much any seafaring mammal sounds gross as hell. I'll bet it tastes like fish-tainted pork belly but with more gristle.

>>3737177
-and then there's this guy with the if-ought fallacies:

> If aboriginals/nature did this, it's cool for me to do it too

>>3737183

im sure that there is a GREAT way to cook it.

i just dont know it because my fishmonger doesn't get orca too often adn i cant experiment.

>>3737184

cool? nah.

tasty.