/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>20302829
Never understood the point of carbon steels
>dude its like regular steel but rusts
ok, why?

>>20302829
That is a very minimal patina, retard.

>>20302829
>>20302835
Why can’t faggots just ask nicely? Why do you have to start a troll thread and then reply to yourself like a frat boy fuckhead?

>>20302852
I'm trans btw if that matters

>>20302852
fag

>>20302835
2% easier to sharpen
??% easier to forge (cheaper?)
1000% more exotic and confusing to squares like your dad

>>20302859
The fact that you even did this shows that I’m right. I don’t care if you posted from your phone for one of the posts or if you did an inspect element edit. You’re a tragic failure and need to delete the thread now.

>>20302865
yeah you're right I posted from my phone in case I'd need evidence for the one schizo who thinks any two people who agree on this website are the same guy talking to himself

>>20302829

>>20302829
No, i'm not retarded.

>>20302852
>and then reply to yourself like a frat boy fuckhead?
like a what? a fratboy? what are you talking about man

ah, shit... I bet that's some pasta I just fell for

>>20302863
There's nothing "exotic" about patina, it's just disgusting
>my knife has rainbow colors on it XD
are you 5?

>>20302892
uhhh that's not what makes it exotic, what makes it exotic is that it's different from American knives, and they make it in a foreign country called Japan

I like carbon steel because when I touch up the edge on the stones I can see the contrast between the new shiny steel edge and the rest of the patina, it makes it look extra sharp

>omg there is a tiny layer of oxide on the blade!
it's fucking science

Carbon steel sharpens like a dream

>>20302829
It's based if you live alone and don't have anyone else around to fuck it up.

>>20303055
actually it's very simple

1. keep a set of beater stainless knives around, make sure they feature prominently in the kitchen and are easy to access. keep them decently sharp and let everyone know that these knives belong to everyone and are free to be used however
2. keep your fancy knives sequestered away somewhere a bit less obvious. make it known that these are FRAGILE and only ok to use for those who are willing to be lectured on how to do so correctly
3. make sure everyone you live with is afraid of upsetting you, doesn't matter how you do it, make them afraid
4. do not live with anyone retarded enough to still use the wrong knives in spite of 1, 2, and 3

5. if you have advance warning that your mother-in-law is coming over, pack all your knives into a box and store them in a closet until she leaves

nice knives in general ive learned are pretty much a meme. blade geometry matters so much more than blade steel

I wish I could get a legit French sabatier carbon steel knife

>>20303029
I can't sharpen my stainless steel knives for shit. I've tried everything from pull through electric machine sharpeners to autistic Japanese whetstones and these faggot knives still can't cut an onion without using force.

I got a carbon steel knife specifically because it's supposed to be easier to sharpen.

>>20302829
Carbon steel is based

>>20303079
>>20303055
My beater knives exist so I can cut through bones, hard shells and frozen things and so my wife can use them and not touch my nice knives.

>>20303526
imagine failing at rubbing steel on a rock. No seriously imagine fucking up something even cavemen managed to do to sharpen their ooga sticks. Like, fuck, imagine being given perfectly flat synthetic whetstones with abrasives graded with grits from 120 to 10000, retard wrangling angle guides, nanoliquid strops and ceramic honing rods, and STILL fucking up the task of rubbing knife on rock. I'd kill myself, I'd stab myself with the dull knife of my own making to make it hurt.
The West has fallen. White man knows not how to fashion stone age weapons.

>>20303563
You bit the bait...

>>20303526
I hope it was at least a $1200 custom Japanese knife, otherwise you wasted your money.

>>20303550
is that Yoshikane? what's it like?

>>20303526
Yeah stainless is nice for not staining / rusting but it will not stay sharp.

>>20302835
hrc is usually higher for less money, the best smiths work with it

I fell for it yeah. Easier to sharpen, loses sharpness in a linear and useful way, the reactivity is generally not an issue

Some hipsters claim "real" stainless is just as easy to sharpen if not easier and also holds and edge better but I fucked around with enough supposedly decent stainless knives enough to not care to give stainless another chance

It's a bit like australian wine being supposedly not universally undrinkable trash. In the abstract, I have no problem accepting that I may have developed an unreasonable bias. In practice, I do not care to challenge my supposed biases at all. I have tried. I am confident that trying further would be a waste of time and money.

>>20303172
What do you think happens when someone gets to spend time hand shaping a blade, dingus? Do you seriously think that every knifemaker produces the same blade geometry?

>>20303859
I actually have no idea who made it. It's a Hatsukokoro Inazuma but the smith is anonymous.

>>20302829
It looks cool what's wrong with it?

>>20303888
The only stainless I've ever encountered that isn't trash to sharpen is SG2/R2.

>>20303888
>>20303550
Why do knives, Japan look like something that was pulled from a garbage bin and used to hammer the nails?

>>20303941
oh, I thought the maker's mark looked similar. mb

I have a blue #1 petty knife from the Tosa region which was quite a bit cheaper than Hatsukokoro (appearance is no-frills), it took some thinning before it was nice to use but I like it now, doesn't hold its edge all that wonderfully though. A bit disappointing given the steel, but it's also one of my favorite knives to reach for and it only cost me $65 so I can't complain

>>20303970
actually now that I look it up, Inazuma is made in Sanjo, not tosa (where the other Hatsukokoro lines are made)...

I feel less silly about mistaking it for a Yoshikane now

>>20302829
Learn to take care of your shit faggot. The real benefit to a high carbon steel knife is that it can get sharper and stay sharper making it superior for certain applications that require your knife to be extremely keen such as slicing sashimi. When you're done with the knife, you clean it and oil it for storage.

>>20302877
you're the only fag in this thread

>>20303958
baka 白豚, ano hagane was taken from the kōjō no sandobikku in yōroppa prefecture and folded over 1000 times. aporogaizu!

>>20303550
Is that a hand or a ham hock?

>>20303875
>hrc
>Human Rights Campaign
ywnbaw

>>20303555
why isnt your wife partaking in quality cooking with you?

>>20302897
Japan has been a State of America for 80 years.

>>20304981
oh hey I donate money to them

t. carbon steel knife fag

>>20303945
I gotta wonder why S35VN isn't used more for kitchen knives, it's known for being nice to sharpen

>>20305078
Nevermind, Google told me SG2/R2 can be great treated to higher HRC, which is more useful for kitchen knives where toughness isn't prioritized.

>>20305105
Heat treated*

>>20302829
I just purchased 10 fibroxes and have them professionally sharpened once a year after rotating through them as they get dull
Also have a chinese cleaver and a cheese knife, haven't ever needed anything else

>>20305127
Crazy. A 350 dollar knife and a 50 dollar stone would do you better, and you would only really need to sharpen a good knife like that 2 or 3 times per year. Atleast you don't throw them away after they get dull!

>>20302829
yes. i have a keijiro doi, an itsuo doi, a couple takedas, an ancient sabatier, and various others.
some people think i'm insane to bring the keijiro doi to work with me, but it would be an insult to his memory to have it squirreled away in a case on display.

>>20305139
It shows you're courageous enough to have enough trust in the people around you at work, what a flex

>>20304991
I just do most of the cooking. Sometimes she'll hang out at the table while I cook but she doesn't have to contribute just keep me company :)

I thought the elitist choice was supposed to be ceramic.

>>20305248
ceramic is a midwit's elitist choice. extremely brittle and obnoxious to sharpen. the germoid move to make every knife child-safe is bad, but taking it to the opposite extreme is not much better

>>20302884
"Fratboy" is brown turd worlder code for anyone white

>>20305302
t. mother's name is karen

>>20305139
>he doesn't have a Kazuo Doi
ah, well, I guess his son and grandson make ok knives,

>>20302829
what's the point of paying 6 million dollars for a fancy japanese knife

wouldn't something with high quality steel be just as good?

>>20302865
>The fact that you even did this shows that I’m right.
smartest /ck/ poster

>>20305316
when you have a job, the difference between $10 and $130 actually appears to be meaningfully different from the difference between $10 and $6,000,000

no and it feels great

>>20303526
>still can't cut an onion without using force
its called geometry. A shit knife will not get laser sharp from putting an edge on it, the real work is in thinning the primary bevel

>>20303526
buy a diamond plate and every knife will be just as easy to sharpen

>>20305323
i could lease a low end ferrari in a month if i wanted, doesn't mean i'm badass or somehow cool

answer my question retard

>>20302897
Kek. We need a knives; knives, Japan meme pic now.

>>20305248
the elitist choice would be powder metallurgy steels

>>20305316
>wouldn't something with high quality steel be just as good?
no, something with a high quality steel would be a lot better. there are some high end rusting steels that are actually superior to any stainless in very measurable ways, but these retards buy "white steel" knives which is basically the cheapest type of rusting steel available.

>>20305248
Elitist? No, but I really like them for fruits and vegetables and shit. It's pretty easy to use, but you gotta treat them as disposable. They basically last for a year or ten depending on use.

>>20305358
Naaaaah. Mastersmith level pattern welded steel, or one of the great smiths in Japan using tamahagane or something is true elitist.

>>20305347
your question is inane trolling garbage, try rephrasing it in a way that sounds constructive and I might play along

>>20305393
okay mutt

is there any real benefit to spending $6,000,000.00 on a japanese ultra high sudoku sugoi desne knife versus a nice $40 knife from a store or online

>>20305402
sure. the $6,000,000.00 urotsukidoji will vanquish your enemies, give you the body of a 14 year old half-japanese half-german eva pilot, and make aerith from final fantasy fall madly in love with you

>>20305402
If you care about the performance of your knife, yes. If you don't care, and just need something that cuts, not really. Do you need a fast car to go from point a to b, or is a prius okay with you? Same deal.

>>20302829
Yes, the entire Japanese nation fell for this meme quite hard as I recall

>>20305696
And yet stainless japanese knives shit all over stainless westoid knives, curious

>>20305696
if you look at rakuten jp # of reviews it appears that in addition to sometimes falling for all kinds of marketed memes like ceramic knives, Japanese normies mostly tend to either go for cheap trash or spend a little extra to get a ~$75ish stainless knife, just like the rest of the world does.

carbon steel japanese knives that rust are a "traditional craft" subsidized by their government and sold all around the world; things like this help maintain Japan's good image abroad. Some of the older Japanese styles like the Usuba, Yanagiba, etc. are specialty equipment popular with chefs, but the "Aogami Super 240mm Gyuto" phenomenon is as far as I can tell mostly a popular international fad for line chefs and middle-class white guys who like to "buy it for life" (compulsively spend an extra $200 on every object they ever need to buy).

>>20305761
meant to say line cooks* ofc

Basically, if you are a guy who, when he had to get a new keyboard because a key stopped working, "looked around" online before settling on a fully-customized $240 beast from "DROP.com" with pre-lubed premium switches and double-shot PBT keycaps, or who, when he needed a new pair of headphones for his laptop, "did his research" and somehow ended up with a $200 amp/dac combo as well ("an amazing value"), then you are constitutionally incapable of pulling the trigger on a normal purchase.

Something inside of you has to know that a complete stranger on a dedicated hobbyist forum would think you "made a good choice". You have to be able to imagine passing a kitchen knife on to a grandchild as a treasured family heirloom, or else some part of you knows your money went down the drain. You only bought "a knife", when you could have bought "a special knife." This is why you are now loading up a cart full of $200 more of knife maintenance items (including "rust erasers") after you barely convinced yourself that getting that 210mm Aogami #2 gyuto (clad in 'soft iron') was a sensible investment. It's ok, you'll just re-learn how to do meal prep to prevent your superior knife from rusting.

That's not more of a pain in the ass than a stainless knife that just werks. It was probably good to get more methodical in the kitchen anyway, right? You didn't fall victim to some marketed meme that is now causing you annoyance, no, that only happens to people who don't spend enough money—falling for a meme is when your shoes only cost $120 and are held together with glue, or when you bought something (anything) made of plastic which could have been made of aluminum. You always, always get what you pay for, which is why you, sensibly, always pay extra.

>>20305845
>somehow ended up with a $200 amp/dac combo
why, literally just go with the iphone jack, you're not getting anything good for $200

as long as you keep your knife clean and sharp, it literally does not matter at all what it's made out of, unless you have a steel or glass cutting board

>>20305927
>as long as your car is fast it literally does not matter what brand it is

>>20305946
it literally does not matter what your knife is made out of. a $40 and a $4000 knife will perform identically if they are both sharp and clean. the shape of a knife is more important than the material.

>>20305980
Wrong. There are complex grinds that take a very skilled worker a lot of time to make that absolutely out perform your simple flat ground knives.

>>20305891
It's garbage, but I'm not defending $200+ stacks either. Let alone anything over $50 USD for anyone. Let alone $5 USD for most people. But stock audio on devices is garbage

>>20305980
Look at this peasant cope.

>>20305980
Look at this peasant cope.
>ahem, excuse me sir Knight, my pot-metal sword is just as good as your made in Solingen sword

>>20306084
>>20306017
you're cutting mostly soft shit in a controlled environment, not getting in knife fights. the durability/hardness of the knife is completely irrelevant unless you're clumsy and drop it a lot, or something. Otherwise, basic maintenance prevents any possible issues.

>>20306156
Why are you telling me this garbage when I'm talking about knife grinds, and not talking about hardness? Regardless it seems like you don't understand how knives work. Kind of embarrassing...

>>20306164
I already mentioned the shape of the knife, which you conveniently ignored...

*wraps fancy reddish weebwood handle in grip tape*
shit handles better now, Japanese handles suck ass

>>20306285
If a wa handle sucks for you I would recommend correcting your form. They are the best handles if you know how to properly hold a knife. A wa handle made from magnolia wood provides better grip than most synthetic handles also.

>>20306257
>ignored

Dumbass.

>>20306285
>*wraps fancy reddish weebwood handle in grip tape*
>shit handles better now, Japanese handles suck ass
>>20306320
>If a wa handle sucks for you I would recommend correcting your form. They are the best handles if you know how to properly hold a knife. A wa handle made from magnolia wood provides better grip than most synthetic handles also.
The problem is you, not the knife. The knife is perfect in every way. You are inferior.
You should use your weeaboo knife to slit your wrists, American scum. And watch some anime.

Classic seething response from a true knifelet. Nicely done.

Most jap knives are not even full tang ahahahahahah miss me with that shit nigga XDddddddd
Not full tang = not real knife
keep your circumcised toys bitch weebs Loooool L::DD

Knifelets love making themselves look stupid. Entertaining and amusing.

>>20306393
I need some full poon-tang, picrel

Shit poster must a ch'nk. Nobody wants their shitty knives.

I like it, probably wouldnt get a fancy cooking knife in it though personally
Anyway, you boys like my grease patina?

>>20305127
a fibrox and a pull thru is all you need baby

>>20306408
look at that itty bitty tang, much like jappy dick

>>20306522
That's a victorinox, smarty pants.

The hidden tang on Japanese knives makes it extremely easy to replace a handle that will eventually break out wear down from use. They're strong enough to never break when used properly. Only idiots and morons are not aware of this simple fact.

>>20306582
Here's a novel idea: don't buy japanese trash and you won't need to replace them

>>20306591
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. Life will absolutely get easier for you. I promise.

>>20306509
these are a scam, get a honing rod
t. cook

My parents had some ancient Carbon steel butcher knife probably from the 20's or 40's. It was the sharpest knife they had because it was the easiest to sharpen. I dont own any carbon steel except for bladed tools. Everything in my kitchen is stainless. Because I own a bench grinder, belt sander and replaced my stone. The stone is just an el cheapo from a chinese grocer. Stainless is harder metal alloy so harder to actually get a blade on and not sure if "gums up" your stone or just murders its grit from the hardness. I dont sharpen on my stone. I touch up existing sharp knives I sharpened once on a belt sander or bench grinder.

If youre some plebeian with no access to tools except a $5 rock Id go with rusty old carbon steels as theyre good for entry level.

>>20306605
not a scam i've got both
t. cook

>>20306620
Uncooled powered abrasives destroy the temper on your knives. I would recommend stopping that, and no you are not fast enough, or gentle enough to not overheat the apex of your knife.

Stainless isn't necessarily harder, and usually carbon steel is harder. The difference is that stainless has hard carbides that are significantly harder than martensitic steels. It doesn't increase the hrc, but it does increase edge retention/abrasion resistance. Carbon steel uses very hard and fine grain for edge retention, and stainless uses relatively large carbides for edge retention.

Stainless is generally tougher than carbon steel. That's why it gums up abrasives more, and part of why it is harder to sharpen. The hard carbides are what wears your belts down.

Last thing. If you're using a belt sanders designed for metal is called a belt grinder. :)

>>20305927
>unless you have a steel or glass cutting board
>>20306620
here. I have a dedicated glass cutting board for meat and a plastic 1 for everything else. I dont have an industrial sanitizer to want to deal with chicken salmonella in the cutting board cuts. Thus carbon steel is less relevant, since your veg. isnt really a high demand knife area.

>>20306636
youre a fucking tool. Welcome to the real world kiddo. Dont talk to me ever again.

>>20306639
You've been ruining the temper on your knives for a long time, and you were too stupid to even notice, LMFAO DUMBFUCK.

You're such a little shit you get angry when I was graciously and selflessly attempting to lift you out of the idiotic quagmire of bullshit and constantly dull knives you've delved head first into. You are inferior to me, and it will forever be that way. LOL!

>That's why it gums up abrasives more
jfc its not the 80s anymore
we have zirconia abrasives nowadays

>>20302857
are you single?

>>20302835
you have to pay double for the same sharpness if it doesn't rust. as in 150 vs 300+ bucks

>>20305845
The only knife maintenance items that are remotely expensive are nice whetstones and you can get a good set for <$100. Barkeeper's friend is $2.50 on Amazon. Why are you such a faggot?

>>20307695
He is a fart sniffing pseud. What more do you expect? Probably upset that a rock filtered him.

Friendly reminder that 5$ walmart knife + whetstone will always mog an overpriced nippon banzai gay steel. Cheap steel is actually great cause its soft and sharpens easily.

>>20308029
Lol! You are so silly. Carbon steel is easier to sharpen than cheap stainless. If you said kiwi knives I would at least think you knew a little about knives, but it just sounds like you're a copemaxxing.

>>20308029
>soft and sharpens easily
doesn't work that way

>>20307093
and ready to mingle? yes

>they all date to before 1860 except one, can you guess which one?

rescuing this from page 10 because I'd like to harvest some more poorfag cope before it ends

>>20309376
Gonna guess the far left because that brass looks very weathered by time.

>>20311222
far right is the only new one, the rest are ancient

>>20309376
The middle one

>>20305845
Most hobbyists are wealth flaunting faggots and this is the board where wealth flaunting faggots congregate.

>>20305845
Fuck. Didn’t expect to be called out this hard on /ck/ of all places.

>>20302835
Rust in food is just free iron.

>>20313060
t. peasant

'Unlike master morality, which is sentiment, slave morality is based on ressentiment—devaluing what the master values and what the slave does not have. As master morality originates in the strong, slave morality originates in the weak. Because slave morality is a reaction to oppression, it vilifies its oppressors. Slave morality is the inverse of master morality. As such, it is characterized by pessimism and cynicism. Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as good'.

>>20313060
>$130 knife
>wealth flaunting
Which sub saharan african country do you live in

>>20313692
not him but a $50 knife is just fine, if you actually care about cooking and not falling into the gay ass "gear acquisition syndrome" LARP trap.

>>20313705
It is fine, some people just like the way a nice knife looks, and I've never used a budget knife that cuts as well as a thinly ground Japanese knife.

>>20313705
>>20313692
The "unbridgeable wealth disparity between impoverished peasants with their $50 knives and billionaires with their $130 knives" is a fiction you've crafted in your head. To any basic functioning adult with a job there is no financial difference between the two.

>>20313705
$20 jeans are just fine. A $10 temu watch is fine. A rental pod with a sleeping pad is fine. Protein slurry, chopped vegetable mix, and water is a perfectly fine diet. You don't need money either. Just take SNAP and section 8. Ancient peasants would have been jealous.

>>20313725
agreed. i make okay money and just bought some $25 old navy jeans.

>>20313705
>BUYING a knife
Your teeth are perfectly good, you gear queer.
Do you own a bowl and cups as well? Fucking gear LARPer. Just use your fucking hands.

>>20313727
>Do you own a bowl and cups as well?
yes but they're like 30 year old hand-me-downs from my parents, and they work perfectly fine.

>>20313726
>i make okay money
For a Mexican.

>>20313730
Get rid of them, you gear queer. Actually live by your ideals or stop pretending you actually have any and aren't just a coping poor.

>The stories told of Diogenes illustrate the logical consistency of his character. He inured himself to the weather by living in a clay wine jar belonging to the temple of Cybele. He destroyed the single wooden bowl he possessed on seeing a peasant boy drink from the hollow of his hands. He then exclaimed: "Fool that I am, to have been carrying superfluous baggage all this time!".

>>20313721
this inability to conceptualize wealth disparity is why the future is feudalism. a significant portion of the population is unable to mentally handle the difference between their dentist with a slightly nicer house in a slightly nicer suburb, and the 100 or so people who actually control the vast majority of everything in the US, who buy and sell entire neighborhoods the way people on /r/knives/ buy and sell edged tools. so as soon as bernie says tax the rich, a bunch of mathematically challenged individuals grab their pitchforks and tiki torches and march in the streets protesting "white genocide", it's absolutely unreal how stupid the average voter is

>>20313738
>it's absolutely unreal how stupid the average voter is
'He claims that the nascent democratic movement of his time was essentially slavish and weak. Weakness conquered strength, slave conquered master, re-sentiment conquered sentiment. This ressentiment Nietzsche calls "priestly vindictiveness", based on the jealous weak seeking to enslave the strong and thus erode the basis for power by pulling the powerful down. Such movements were, according to Nietzsche, inspired by "the most intelligent revenge" of the weak'.

>>20313738
it's pretty funny when you realize that even executives are wagies these days.
>compulsively work 80+ hours a week like slaves
>harassed by management/customers (board of directors/shareholders)
>fortune 500 ceo average tenure is like 5 years, minimal job security
>beautiful mahogany offices replaced with glass cuck cubes, no different than a common wagie

>>20313745
Executives are the worst kind of wagies, they're the "house niggers" that whip all the other niggers on the plantation for good boy points.

>>20313744
oh yeah the real problem here is people pointing out voter ignorance, I'm not a nazi you're the nazi!!!!! *lights tiki torch and heils hitler* the allied forces were the real nazis!!!!!!! the holocaust didn't happen (but it should have!!!)

>>20313745
that's because everyone with a customer-facing role is now, at minimum, a "vice president" because companies realized they can get away with not paying their employees if they just give them a fancy title

>>20313774
Oh, you're a commie.
Nevermind, you slave.

>>20313774
'"Modern socialism tends to create a form of secular
Jesuitism, to make instruments of all men"; and again: "What we desire is well-being. ... As a result we
march toward a spiritual slavery such as has never been seen. . . . Intellectual Caesarism hovers over
every activity of the businessman and the philosopher." Placed in the crucible of Nietzschean philosophy,
rebellion, in the intoxication of freedom, ends in biological or historical Caesarism. The absolute negative had driven Stirner to deify crime simultaneously with the individual. But the absolute affirmative leads to
universalizing murder and mankind simultaneously. Marxism-Leninism has really accepted the burden
of Nietzsche's freewill by means of ignoring several Nietzschean virtues. The great rebel thus creates with
his own hands, and for his own imprisonment, the implacable reign of necessity. Once he had escaped
from God's prison, his first care was to construct the prison of history and of reason, thus putting the
finishing touch to the camouflage and consecration of the nihilism whose conquest he claimed'.

Is there any greater signifier of being a midwit than quoting shit you don't understand and citing philosophers who's work you miss the point of instead of forming your own argument?

>>20313788
>paying someone a decent wage is communism

>>20313790
>socialism is communism

keep this up and people are going to decide they like communism, is that what you want?

>>20313801
Having a big library of unread books.

>stainless steel takes over
>peoples goes ro shit
Did you know smiths who work with stainless steel have to wear protective gear beocuse chromium is poison.
And they want you to make food with those tools.

>>20313804
>people are going to decide they like communism
Only sub-human countries have ever voluntarily resorted to communism.

'In 1917 the revolutionary world really believed that it had arrived before those gates. Rosa Luxemburg's prophecy was being realised...
The Spartakus movement believed that it had achieved the definitive revolution because, according to Marx himself, the latter would come to pass after the Russian revolution had been consumated by a Western revolution. After the revolution of 1917, a Soviet Germany would, in fact, have opened the gates of Heaven [communism].
But the Spartakus movement is crushed, the French general strike of 1920 fails, the Italian revolutionary movement is strangled...
...Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg are assassinated...
The Russian revolution remains isolated, living according to its own system, still far from the celestial gates, with an apocalypse to organise'.

>20313801
>you didn't get it
>I've never read it but I understand it
>forming your own argument
It's always the same, retarded talking points.
Leftists must all draw from the same book, never coming up with their own ideas.

>that guy that thinks reading what people tell him to think online and listening to what his favorite talkings heads tell him to think is "forming is own opinion"

'Young people get the foolish idea that what is new for them must be new for everybody else too. No matter how unconventional they get, they're just repeating what others before them have done'

>>20305696
>Yes, the entire Japanese nation fell for this meme quite hard as I recall
The chefs like fucking with the juniors, carbon steel is just another way to do it.

Clean the knife wagie, patina is for filthy gajin.

>>20313853
*white people

>>20313813
What's the point of having a big library of read books? At that point it's just a funko pop collection

Having a large selection of unread books available to you means you can usually find something new and interesting to read

poorfag mindset is saving $50 on the knife you'll be using for 10 minutes a day for the next 20 years so you can spend that $50 on weed

>>20314149
>saving $50 on the whore you'll be using for 10 minutes a day for the next 20 years so you can spend that $50 on weed
It worked for your father though

>>20314253
Holy fuck anon

Yes I fell for the meme. By buying a cheap ass carbon steel santoku from Solingen. I've been using it for 5 years now. Razor sharp, rusty as fuck. Slices through everything like butter. Never cut it's wielder. I think it's possessed by an old German spirit cucking the faggots and trannies that spent 1k+ for stainless Japanese knives like absolute retards.

>>20315182
>soylingen

>>20315182
My 1k+ Jap knives are all carbon steel, so ha! I guarantee you would notice better performance from them, but that's aside from the point.

The beauty of carbon steel is that great quality CS is cheap, while great quality stainless is almost always really expensive. Even the cheaper CS like 1018 will perform far far better than cheap stainless in almost every way. As long as your knife isn't ground like an axe you'll be enjoying your slicing and dicing.

Regardless of the steel your knife will always get dull, so why not get one that's enjoyable to sharpen?

>>20315304
>while great quality stainless is almost always really expensive.
Only if you refuse to count most stainless as "great quality".

I think people write off a lot of the low end stainless because it's associated with cheap trash, but there are decent knives made from even AUS-8. I have an old stainless 240mm from Japanese Knife Imports which wasn't expensive, and the steel was probably AUS-8 (although back then he didn't disclose that info), it's easy to sharpen and holds an edge reasonably well. Since I thinned it out it has become one of my favorite knives to use. It doesn't feel like a shitty steel at all.

I have no doubt that some VG-10 knives are excellent as well

>>20315304
Why the fuck would type of steel influence performance? Performance is 100% geometry

>>20316596
He wasn't implying the steel would affect performance. I'm certain he means that the geometry of his $1000+ jap knives is superior.

>>20316649
>paying someone 900$ for a two hour job
guess that anon makes two million a year

>>20316649
Correct.

>>20316684
Hand forged, and shaped using a scraper does not take 2 hours.

>>20316582
Yeah, that's pretty true. I prefer carbon steel to vg10. Vg10 is maybe 10% harder to sharpen than cs, but that's not too big of a deal.

>>20305408
lol urotsukidoji

>>20316596
Different steels have different hardness, typically stainless steels are a softer steel and don't hold an edge quite as well, but they're commonly used because nobody wants to slice their veggies with a rusty knife.

I dunno, I just need my kitchen knife to chop carrots and meat so I don't need anything fancy, I can just sharpen it a little more often.

>>20318080
>I dunno, I just need my kitchen knife to chop carrots
carrots are the most difficult of all. none of my expensive forged jap knives can do carrots.

>>20318080
>typically stainless steels are a softer steel and don't hold an edge quite as well
No, that's wrong: stainless steels are typically harder. They hold an edge better, but will never take an edge as sharp as can be achieved on carbon steel. Carbon can be super sharp when properly sharpened, but is high-maintenance; stainless is low-maintenance and works "good enough" for most people. Hence most home cooks went to stainless decades ago, while pros often still prefer carbon.

>>20315304
>>20316596
>>20318080
>>20318219
You're all kind of missing some key details. Metal alloys vary more than just "it's hard." On a microscopic/molecular level, different alloys have different crystalline structures in the metal, orienting atoms of each component metal in various different ways. Since alloys vary by the proportions of different elements, the variation in the nature and shape of each alloy's crystalline structure can have implications for all sorts of different properties relevant to knife-making.

Some alloys are more or less brittle, whereas others are more malleable, for example. Will the edge bend when it encounters something hard, or will it just snap and result in a chipped blade, is an important question to answer before buying a knife. Some alloys are more resistant to abrasion--the crystalline structure lines up atoms that form stronger bonds closer to one another--these metals may have any number of hardness ratings, but they will generally be more difficult to sharpen, as the metal abrades more slowly/less evenly than other alloys. Some alloys are more easily abraded, but have such a strong molecular structure that they can hold a narrow edge better. A different alloy might be able to hold an edge for longer but not be capable of sharpening to quite as sharp of an apex. Corrosion resistance is another important property for knife-making that different alloys excel at more than others. It's all a trade-off, and no single alloy is "the best" for every user or every use.

>>20318286
>You're all kind of missing some key details. Metal alloys vary more than just "it's hard."
This is why JKI used to refuse to list steel names and properties. If you put that info out there most of your buyers will just learn a couple of metrics and maximize for those. "Why would I pay $250 for Aogami #2 w/ 62 rockwell when I could get Aogami Super w/ 65 rockwell for the same price?"

>>20302852
>>20302865
>>20302877
>>20305319
kek this thread is fucking shit

>>20302829
No, I use plastic, don't even have to wash them after.

>>20318286
no one in this pathetic faggot reddit thread including you knows what martensitic, austenitic, etc. mean
lol
lmao

>>20318406

lmfao niggas talking about alloys like they're fucking blacksmiths crafting the perfect sword for their daimyo
You cut vegetables, fucking relax

>>20318406
>>20318491
>y'all's ain't spose to talk smart an sheeit
>tha's foh ME to do
>I know about da martesitics an da austenitics

Calm your ass down, nigger faggot. Nobody likes you in real life, that's clear from how you talk to strangers, but here you're just some random faggot trying to shut down a conversation instead of even trying to say something on topic. Go suck on your transgender mom's prosthetic penis.

>>20318406
Wrong. I happen to be that guy that makes knives.

>>20318334
>"Why would I pay $250 for Aogami #2 w/ 62 rockwell when I could get Aogami Super w/ 65 rockwell for the same price?"
The American pocket knife industry is partly to blame here. A quick look at Spyderco's catalog would suggest that steel type is about as important as handle color. They vary it so much, and even invent their own alloys, as if the consumer has any clue what's going on with this shit. Then they list the hardness, which is a concrete number people can wrap their mind around, and people think that's going to keep their knife sharper for longer. For retailers trying to sell chef's knives to Americans, it's an uphill battle as soon as the hardness rating is known.

>>20318286
>>20318334
>>20318526

shill me on carbonised bronze knives. i want a bendgate knife that i can take out to war when the SPQR rises again.

>>20318540
>chef's knives to Americans, it's an uphill battle as soon as the hardness rating is known.
just sell it to chefs and bizes that aren't run by retards?

>>20302829
It's not a meme, it's a type of steel.

>>20306509
pull throughs only make a micro apex that doesnt last long and eventually fucks up your grind entirely.

>>20318579
lol

>>20318286
1080 carbon is all anybody ever needs for kitchen knives and nothing you say will ever change my mind.

>>20302835
Carbon steel IS regular steel.
Stainless is special

>>20320010
No. It just has more chromium.

>>20318406
congrats this is the most neckbearded comment of the week

>>20306408
that's an awfully tiny handle anon, looks very uncomfortable.

>>20320097
The comfort depends on what you're holding it with.

>>20320010
Yes very special indeed

>>20305323
6,000,000 with only FOUR knives? I don't know, Tone.

>>20305412
>or is a prius okay with you?

i don't shill shit EVs, elon musty. >>>/o/

>>20318547
>carbonised bronze knives
no one answered. kaiser rolls in roman grave.

No one uses these expensive knives in Japan. Only retarded gaijin paying 6 gorillian yen for 1000 folded steel, meanwhile average Japanese is using a basic 3000 yen knife for 10+ years.

>>20323990
That's not true I've watched dozens of videos where some old japanese man is in some dim shitty wooden shed hand-crafting them while mumbling incoherently about quality.

>>20324002
there's videos where koreans eat grotesque amounts of fast food on camera, doesn't mean most koreans are doing that every day

>>20323990
I don't model my behavior on what "average" people do, in any country.

Japanese knives are for wealthy people, cooks, and fine craft appreciators.

>>20324537
It's typical of a poorfag cope poster to believe that buying anything of high quality from Japan means that you are obsessed with Japan. In their tiny minds it is not the high quality that matters. It is the made in Japan that matters.

In reality they are the ones obsessed with Japan, but it is a negative obsession. In true fashion their incredible lack of self awareness forces them to prove this obsession with almost every post they make.

>>20324695
Arigato sumo gaijin des

boomers will spend $700 on a set of shoddy solingen knives but then cry about "knives for wealthy people" when you buy a good knife for $150 that happens to be from a japanese brand (even though the steel is from sweden)

look up "tamahagane" if you wanna see how jap steel is made. interesting. they get it from sand.

South Korea: "we have $300 hand-forged knives at home"

>>20326378
was made. you might as well be saying the italian army uses hoplites or mongolia controls 2/3 of asia. the only use for tamahagane is traditional metallurgical artwork (read: obscenely expensive collector swords)

bump

>>20328540
Thanks for the bump! What sort of knife do you like?

>>20328558
NTA but my wife had an 8" Victorinox (you know the one) when we got together. The first time I tried it I thought it was shit. Then just to see I got it sharpened and my god if it isn't the best knife I've ever used.

Did you know that the steel used in all Japanese knives is folded over 2,000 times?
This is how all Japanese knives are capable cutting hairs in half (lengthwise), and it is why Japanese knives can be used instead of scalpels for surgical operations

>>20328558
I posted a picture of it already