/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>19358778
Marketing, catering their menus and designing their shops around white trash women.

Women decided it's good. 711 installed a fresh ground each cup machine by me, and it's unironically better, more flavorful coffee.

>>19358778
It's designed more like a ultra-commercialized non-alcoholic pub and they cater to children with all the milkshake meme coffees.

It's the early 1980s mall sized down for (((purely economic reasons)))

>>19358799
>dude my coffee with no sugar or whipped cream tastes le good!!
No. It doesnt.

>>19358843
>she puts whipped cream in her coffee
post uggs.

>>19358867
Now explain why making something taste good is wrong

>>19358843
native peepo were drinking that shit for 100s of years before you came along, whitey

>>19358843
>>19358868
You're either a child or a woman and I can't tell which one is worse.

>>19358868
Explain why you don't think coffee tastes good? Do you mix coke in scotch too?

>>19358876
>>19358875
>>19358872

>Yeah I like it black! I'm such a man! Drinking things that taste bad makes me a man!

>>19358872
>Chews on coffee beans

vs.

>Sails across the world to plant coffee due to religious wars with those pesky Ottomans

Right Pedro, you really did a lot.

>>19358889
>le science told me that bitter things are bad for you!!!

I feel like there's way, way more coffee shops around these days. I don't know.

>>19358889
>no argument
>resorts to strawman
yawn

>>19358889
I kind of understand the argument against black coffee because you're obviously on summer break, but advocating for the addition of whip cream of all things is making me think this is just a poor attempt at bait.

Marketing directed towards stupid white women

>>19358778
I unironically work here. It sucks and I hate talking to customers, but the pay and benefits are good for a loser with no degree

>>19359515
Wanted to add that the coffee sucks and it’s only popular because people are addicted to sugar. I have an espresso machine at home (a good one) and order actual beans (not shitty burnt sbux beans) and the difference is crazy.

>>19358778
I dunno. I worked with a guy who worked at the first starbucks before they went big. He harbored a lot of resentment to his co-workers there, said they didn't like him and talked him out of investing in starbucks like them, blamed them for him not being rich. He was kind of a sad old loser.

>>19359530
he sounds like a fag

>>19359533
Nah he wasn't that bad in terms of cringe honesty. He was just an old man working at the same place as an 18 year old. One time he was screaming in the parking lot in the early morning for like 15 minutes.

>>19358778
they sell the illusion of a milkshake being "just a coffee" and they are very good at the bland consistency fat people want

there's loads of coffee shops in cities. the one i go to most often has three different single-origin roasts and pinball in the basement where every surface is Drawball

>>19358839
that pic is basically happening now

>>19358787
And now they're too big. Old stores are closing and many others are unionizing. Imagine that, building a store, giving people jobs, and then those same people extort you and essentially claim ownership of your property, intellectual and physical. Oh well, that's what they get for spreading themselves too thin.

>>19359957
Only in the (((cities))).

In rural America, it's still super popular because union faggotry is shut down and dangerous minorities will be shot by the police without hesitation because Soros can't buy District Attorneys where the Sheriff isn't a Neo-Marxist.

>>19360592
>>>/pol/
Unironically you need help

>>19360606
Shut the fuck up twitterite tourist

>>19359957
why do americans hate unions so much

>>19360606

Fuck off lefty faggot

>>19360629
They were infiltrated by the mob & leftists. So the dues for members are used to pad pockets while never improving shit for the workers and letting them make outrageous demands so they can shutter industries to East Asia.

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>>19358900
Yeah I moved to a relatively poor town of 20k people and there's one starbucks but several trendy coffee shops. I wonder if it's just the delay on trends in smaller places? A bunch of brewpubs opened within the last few years too.
Also I never go to Starbucks but it's annoying as shit when people act like literally every other coffee shop doesn't have drinks loaded with sugar available.

>>19358905
>advocating for the addition of whip cream of all things
which is very popular in Italy.

>>19360629
Because they're mafias.Everyone inside of a unions is basically economically exploiting every person outside of that union.

>>19360661
>leftists are the ones who ruin unions
>not the corporations themselves that are almost exclusively owned/operated by conservatives who vote solely to further their business interests
Okay buddy.

>>19360695
You're brainwashed by Disney-tier storytelling

people who go to starbucks are the same people who stand still on escalators

>>19360695
if they can be influenced like that then they were never fit for purpose, other countries seem to manage unions fine

>>19358778
By being strong-arming assholes.

Back in the mid 90s, I was in college. The locally beloved breakfast joint was a tiny shop across from the Library with like 10 seats, beloved by the students. The two dudes who ran it knew most people's order, one of thier wives made the cakes/pies by hand, etc. It rocked. Anyhow, one day there's a sign on the door that they're shutting down. We asked the owner why, and he says. "Starbucks wants to buy the building." We reply, "So, tell them no." He says, "I did. Then they said they'd just buy the building next to me and put me out of business in six months, with no money.... So I should just take the money, which frankly is quite a lot.". Tough to blame him, but it made me sour on them ever since. Literally every local coffee shop (we had quite a few, it was a college and tourist town) was gone or replaced by Starbucks within a year. I still refuse to give them my money and will go literally anywhere else if given a choice.

>>19359515
It's funny that they make you do a coffee tasty every now and then when 98% of our orders are sugar milk.

>>19360710
Whats wrong with standing on escalators

>>19360592
>neo-marxist

tell me what you know about marxism without looking anything up and what it's relation to so-called neo-marxism is. prove to us you're not an illiterate mouth-breathing muppet.

>>19360629
Because they only exist to promote Marxist revolutionary ideals.
>it's just Workers Rights, bro!
Proposing that a collective 'worker/labour' class exists as distinct from a 'capitalist/owner' class is Marxist by definition. It is forfeiting your individual bargaining rights and ability and subsuming yourself into a racket that only exists to deny the property rights of the people who actually own the business in question. It's a tacit admission that you as an individual are a failure and always will be, and that property/business ownership is permanently unavailable to you, and therefore you need the State to create legal protection racket for you to navigate this inescapable paradigm. It's the mediaeval peasant vs aristocrat mentality, except this time it's learned helplessness rather than objective reality.

Unions are the reason why Europeans have drastically lower rates of small business ownership, and is why most european big businesses are owned by multigenerational zaibatsu with ties to local or national royalty who have been the landowners for 500 years.

>>19360661
>infiltrated by
Invented by* the modern labour Union was first described in Das Kapital, and specifically proposed as a way for the Working Class to seize control of the means of production from the Capitalist Bourgeoise.

>>19360721
>manage just fine
Most countries literally have a Union (labour) party who dictates laws based on what Unions want. If you want to see what happens when those fags get unfettered control of government, look at what happened to much of Europe in the 1970s. Soviet-tier poverty and recessions. Entire industries' unions would go on strike over inconsequential and irrelevant laws not even related to labour, bringing the country to a standstill and leading to having to ration electricity. Hell. They managed to tard wrangle them in the 80s because everyone was sick of it and started emulating Reagan and Thatcher, only to start reeling it back in the 90s and 00s because "capitalism is racist and sexist and destroying the environment" FUD propaganda got popular (there's a reason why Green parties spiked in popularity around this time). And it's why Europe's economy in general is starting to implode even worse than the US'. They created the EU to try and hide this by forcing the only reasonably productive countries in the continent (Germany, France, UK) to subsidise the rest. But now that the three of them are also going full retard on leftism again, it's only a matter of time.

>>19360792
Well considering a meme undergraduate degree in History and working on my Masters and even took a class on Marxism taught by a legit Jew Marxist who was beaten senseless by based Chileans when he was younger creating havoc in South America.... fuck off you pinko fuck.

>>19360629
Because we are the only country with people who aren't retarded I guess

>>19359519
I don’t mind the blonde roast. I can drink it black.

This stuff is like liquid candy

>>19360686
Yeah local cafes overwhelmingly serve oversweetened meme drinks, but they do that because Starbucks popularized it and that's what sells. Most local cafes are just dumbshit hipsters making their own version of Starbucks and selling it as better because it's local. Granted most of them with even halfway competent employees are still better than Starbucks just by merit of usually featuring locally roasted coffee and using actual espresso machines instead of the dogshit superautomatic things they have at Starbucks, but none of that matters if you're still ordering a 28 oz cup of sugar and steamed milk with a shot of espresso dumped in as an afterthought.

>>19360792
Marxism is the philosophy of some retarded faggot named Marx who couldn't into being employed and died like an idiot.

Neo-Marxism is when you act like a faggot the way Marx did, but with a neo-vagina.

>>19361106
Maybe starbucks popularized it at a commercialized level but all of these that act lke back in the good ole days before starbucks only black coffee existed is annoying as fuck. Starbucks didn't even invent the frappe and I doubt they were the first place to add sugar to espresso and milk. it's kinda weirder that people will spend $2.50 on a 2 cent cup of drip black coffee but think everyone else is crazy for spending 4 dollars on a caffeinated coffee milkshake or 3 bucks on espresso with milk and vanilla flavoring. Anyway I mainly drink black drip at home but have a pour over and a french press. When I used to have people over more frequently I'd keep some torani around.
Also, check out this fucking place's prices.

>>19361250
>but all of these that act lke back in the good ole days before starbucks only black coffee existed is annoying as fuck.
Nobody is acting like that you projecting retard, before Starbucks most people just drank regular old shit Folgers from a drip machine with way too much sugar and/or flavored creamer, or they didn't drink coffee. Before Starbucks popularized the daily coffee milkshake, most Americans didn't ever even think about drinking espresso.

>>19361335
First time I went to a Starbucks was with my aunt in Texas since she was showing the store off to our family, they had a set up where you could burn your own CDs. I got to pick a song, Before I Forget by Slipknot. We listened to the CD on the way back.

>>19361250
>London fog
Pretty sure this is leafbux

>>19360692
but this is an American website....

>>19360592
>Only in the (((cities))).
>In rural America, it's still super popular
Oh thank God this chain that killed thousands of family-owned coffee shops is still popular in rural America! Those (((cities))) don't know what they're missing!

There’s 6 different coffee shops on one street in my town. Go outside

>>19358778
The secret is that nobody actually likes coffee. They like the sugar in the coffee. So Starbucks and storebought wins while cafes lose.

>>19358778
lots of sugar and oil into mediocre coffee

>>19362044
OP is either being retarded or lives in some shitty suburb where it's actually like that (they do exist). To be fair though I'm willing to bet at least 5 of those coffee shops are just (((locally owned))) Starbucks clones serving the exact same shit but with quirky drink names.

>>19362032
He was saying the opposite, clown

>>19358778
I prefer my coffee black, and Starbucks has absolutely atrocious tasting coffee.
Maybe im spoiled with my bean grinding coffee machine but its so much better.

>>19359957
That's capitalism and the natural cycle of a business. Once it becomes successful, it attracts investors. The owner accepts investors because they give him tons of money. Once the investors own part of the business, they demand it spreads as fast as possible so that they can get their short-term returns. Once those returns come, thinks are OK. Eventually the returns stop because the business has bloated and its expenses eat away the profit. What's left is squeezing the last drops of profit by selling off anything useful and jumping ship. This leads to bankruptcy
What's funny is that the whole economy works that way. Modern destitution is by design

>>19358778
How should I know retard

>>19363196
It's a revolving cycle of small startups growing into conglomerates that then get replaced by small startups who grow into conglomerates. The great equaliser, no more aristocrats or landed gentry. Jeff Bezos is more powerful than any mediaeval king, and he grew up lower middle class with a single mother. Gotta love it

>>19363236
Dumb esl poster

>>19363240
I know you are, but what am I?

>>19359515
It could be worse, you could be working there ironically.

>>19363265
>didn't even deny it
Relax brown boy

>>19363268
>retard can't read

>>19363290
>still didn't deny it
You're the one with brown skin. Not me.

>>19360798
>>19360822
Kek you’re delusional. Enjoy your no holidays in a year, cool aid drinker.

>>19363306
I set my own hours. Imagine not being self-employed

>>19363319
Not everyone needs to be self employed you anti social fag.

>>19358778
Continually putting a Starbucks across from the Starbucks next to the Starbucks and forcing out the small local coffee shops.

>>19358778
they went bankrupt here
they couldnt compete with local family-owned coffee shops

>>19363436
Yes actually, they do. Being employed by someone else teaches you servility, which is a form of learned helplessness. See: unioniggers thinking they need someone else to speak for them because they are "powerless and helpless on their own".

>>19363436
I make my own hours despite not being self employed

>>19363436
>antisocial
Motherfucker who do think the customers are for the self employed? Birds?

>>19363436
>antisocial
Why do you think that modern leftism is inherently social? The workers aren't gaining control over the means of production. The management class is. It happened in the Soviet Union and it's happening again more slowly under capitalism. Take Blackrock as an example. Ownership widely spread out through individual workers yes, but the management of Blackrock takes advantage of this to exert control of the owned companies to achieve their own class's goals.

As to unions, there is a real risk depending on how unions are legally structured in your country, that the union becomes more of a managerial structure to represent the business to the workers rather than the workers to the business. The union's management team has more class solidarity and shared culture with the management team of the employer. They definitely have more solidarity with the culture of fellow captured unions, quasi-ngos and charities, and friendly government departments or political parties pushing social policies and norms that have little to no grassroots interest from the union's own membership.
Centralization of power in the hands of elite systems was supposed to be a right wing thing originally.

>>19360592
Tell me how I know you haven't been to an actual city in decades if ever

There are plenty of coffee shops, stop living in a wasteland.

>>19358778
Don’t know how Americans doing that slop it’s like adding a teaspoon of coffee to sugar water absolutely disgusting

>>19358778
>>19358787
>>19359957
>>19360629
>>19360661
>>19364306
How you can tell a USAian without asking. Unions like corporations and governments are a formal organization of people. None are intrinsically bad but bad people leading it can steer it into achieving bad outcomes. USAians are a special breed of dumb in thinking that the Wild West is still relevant.
Also see Hollywood Writers Guild.

>>19364949
No, they are definitely bad, sorry your national pride demands that you subscribe to retarded cuck ideology. It was truly unfortunate you weren't born an American, I think even you can feel that deep down hence your obsession with us.

Maybe its a lower 48 thing, but I rarely see starbucks up here anymore. Its all locally run coffee shops.

>>19364958
>unions are bad because.... they are!

Based oxfordlicker.

>>19364981
They are bad because they interfere with your rights. Government and unions and corporations are not the same thing, because only the corporations actually have a right to exist and aren't violently coercing others to ensure their continued existence.

>>19364446
>Lived in Seattle
>Lived in Portland
>Lived in RDU
>Been to NYC, L.A., North Jersey, DC, Philly, Miami, Atlanta ,Orlando, Columbus, Cincinnati ,Pittsburgh, and (((Detroit)))
>Layovers in Dallas, Denver, and Shitcago.

New England, Mountain West, SW states, and most of California are the ones I haven't been to.

Only Canada, Spain, Mexico and the UK for international travel

>>19365012
What compels you to lie on this Ecuadorian potato farmers forum?

>>19358778
I think it was mostly thanks to them effectively monopolising the international Iced Coffee business.

I mean, have you tried their Hazelnut?!
That's a godly flavour right there.

>>19366036
I bet that was funnier in your head

>>19366721
Imagine being a grown non American man simping for an American company

>>19358889
Im gay as fuck; Im the least masculine male I know and I really love a freshly made black coffee
its not a manly thing, its a taste thing. Black coffee only tastes bad because you've probably only had shitty black coffee

>>19366935
So, you like big black coffee?

>>19367319
Grinding them yeah, I have to use both hands even!

>>19367319
a big black coffees good
I don't like the other bbc though, I'm not racist or anything, at least I dont think I am, its just not my thing

>>19367801
bigot

>>19358778
>How'd they get so big? There's hardly any other coffee shops around anymore.
Not gonna read this long shit thread but let me chime in with some ancient boomer wisdom. Until 1995 or so, in America, "coffee shops" were found only in big cities and college towns. Otherwise, if you wanted coffee, you went to 7-Eleven, or McDonald's, or a gas station, or most importantly, an old-school DINER, the last being the classic mid-20th century American coffee experience (you can almost hear /ctg/ having an aneurysm over the sound of the percolator). In those days, nobody cared about wifi, nobody was ordering venti pumpkin-spice milkshakes, and nobody was pretending to write a screenplay in public on his Macbook. The 1990/2000s massive expansion of Starbucks, for all its faults, was not putting local cafes out of business, it was installing cafes where cafes did not exist before. Personally I am not a fan of Starbucks these days, but if a local cafe fails, it's likely because of other reasons, not Starbucks competition.

>>19358778
>How'd they get so big? There's hardly any other coffee shops around anymore.
Not gonna read this long shit thread but let me chime in with some ancient boomer wisdom. Until 1995 or so, in America, "coffee shops" were found only in big cities and college towns. Otherwise, if you wanted coffee, you went to 7-Eleven, or McDonald's, or a gas station, or most importantly, an old-school DINER, the last being the classic mid-20th century American coffee experience (you can almost hear /ctg/ having an aneurysm over the sound of the percolator). In those days, nobody cared about wifi, nobody was ordering venti pumpkin-spice milkshakes, and nobody was pretending to write a screenplay in public on his Macbook. The 1990/2000s massive expansion of Starbucks, for all its faults, was not putting local cafes out of business, it was installing cafes where cafes did not exist before. Personally I am not a fan of Starbucks these days, but if a local cafe fails, it's likely because of other reasons, not Starbucks competition.

>>19367819
I've never seen faggot misspelled that way

>>19358778
It seems like there are more now not less.

>>19364992
>corporations actually have a right to exist and aren't violently coercing others to ensure their continued existence.
What is PMC Wagner?

>Government
Next time police stops you; please swear at him and see how little he interferes with your rights.

They also made generous offers to the landlords of existing coffee shops, so they would not renew the lease without giving them a chance to react.

>>19364976
AK?

USA has to pay Canada's "Tim Horton's Tax" every time coffee crosses Canada's border. Not worth it from Starbuck's perspective

>>19366036
If I was going to lie, I would pick some hella more exciting places to visit and live. And fuck Seattle, I hate that city so goddamn much. The arrogance of SoCal with the pretentiousness of Bay Area faggots.

That is why Starbucks makes bank because it's nice and inviting when you live in fucking Seattle.