/ck/ - Food & Cooking

*farts loudly*

wow, a drug addict trying to justfying the consumption of cytotoxic swill as "being cultured"?
as pathetic as stoners who think you need to be drug-addled in order to "fully understand" certain music

>>19305997
Spoonfeed me then OP

Wine tasting is objectively a farce. The best sommeliers in the world fail blind taste tests.

>>19306026
It's about the sensorial experience, not the alcohol, it give something into the mix but it's very far to be the main reason.
If I was an alcoholic I would drink spirits, they are cheaper and will get the job done quick and with less effort

>>19306048
Lol where did you get that from? That's a complete bullshit. Sommeliers do blind taste test regulary

>>19305997
For me it’s a crisp refreshing Sprite

>>19305997
>I smell my own farts, they're so yummy. -OP, 2023

>>19305997
I make my own wine, you pretentious fart huffing tosser

>>19305997
>drink wine
Stopped reading right there.
Alcohol is literally a poison.

>>19306074
You need to go to the doctor if your piss is that cloudy.

I occasionally get boxed wine from Trader Joe's if I want to get shitfaced

All you need to know is the variety you like, after that its just a matter of price and there is virtually no difference once you cross $30

>>19305997
Wine
>tastes like shit from all the alcohol
>damages people's health, again with the alcohol
>costs somewhere between $5 and $15000 depending on how much money you feel like throwing away
Move on OP, you don't need it anymore

>>19306060
Unfathomably based.

>>19305997
Yeah but you're supposed to enjoy it without being pretentious.

>>19305997
Fair enough; I'm the lowest level plebster. It's not like I didn't already know that.

I ordered some plum wine at a sushi restaurant one time and the female friend I was with ordered sake. The girl who brought it out wasn't the same as who took the order and she laughed when my friend handed the plum wine to me and took the sake.

>>19306026
>>19306048
>>19306082
>>19306091
>>19306113
t. baby palates

>>19305997
>drinks pét nat
>accusing other people of being lowest level plebsters

>>19307832
That's because Japanese "plum wine" isn't wine (and also isn't plum). It's a liqueur made with an immense amount of sugar and, while usually delicious, doesn't really require any particular skills or experience to appreciate. But the crux of the matter is that you were probably served by suburban boba-sipping rice traitor daughter of jungle gooks who doesn't know jack shit about Japanese anything either; umeshu is widely consumed by old men in Japan.

>>19305997
>Only for patrician taste and intellect.
But your biggest consumers of wine are middle-aged moms on a girl's night out.

>>19307991
>hating on natural wine

kys pleb

>>19305997
I've been getting into Wines lately, as mainly a beer drinker. Tried some French and Spanish stuff so far. But I really need to buy a bottle with a cork so I can uncork it with my swiss army knife. But I've found corked bottles are more expensive!

>>19308741
Here in Spain almost all wines use cork even the most cheap ones.
Also a swiss army knife is very unconfortable to open a wine, just get a pic realted, they are cost next to nothing.

>>19305997
Ahem, wine sales here. WSET lvl3 WGS Acco

Wine can only make food taste better, food Cannot make wine taste better. All is subjective. Drink what's good to you. Only buy expensive wine if you are a fan of appreciation and finesse. Manipulative wine making is a thing. Price is usually a matter of wine making effort and time. Careful not to spend your money on packaging.

>>19305997
Friendly reminder that every scientific study done on sommeliers has found that wine snobbery is 1000% bullshit. If you have any opinions on wine beyond 'it tastes good' and 'it make me drunk tee hee,' you are a pretentious faggot desperately projecting an aura of sophistication

>>19309316
You are full of shit and a retard. Link those " scientific studies".
Sommeliers do blind tests regulary to test their habilities. How the fuck do you think they can become a certified one?
Even I can diferenciate between different grape variaties and speciphic geographic origins, is not even that dificult, a Rioja have clear difference from for example Beaujolais nouveau, they are in the opposite sides in the body and intensity.
The fact you are an ignorant amerifart with an atrofiate palate because of goy syrup and processed food, does not mean anybody else is the same.

>>19309373
Yeah I'm sure you can taste which toe of the greasy frenchman squeezed out each particular drop of wine, you absolute faggot
>http://www.daysyn.com/Morrot.pdf
You're just fooling yourself, you pretentious dork

>>19309414
Did you even read that study? They were students, and in the case of the grand cru in a cheap wine bottle even some of those students discovered the difference.
If you try that kind of shit with professionals they will tell the difference right away.
You are a paletlet retard, try some wine before posting retarded shit you don't know shit about.

>>19309530
>He read the whole thing to justify his snobby little oral fixation
lmao just start sucking dicks like a normal queer

I know enough about wine to know what's manageable to chug.

>>19309543
yeah I know reading is for faggots

Wine, like absolutely everything else a human puts in their mouth, is a matter of personal taste.

Some only like whites, others reds, others sparking, but it's not uncommon that an individual doesn't like the taste of wines, regardless of region, type, and vintage.

That doesn't make them plebians. It does however make you a colossal dickhead with low intellect for making such an opinionated statement. You belong here.

>>19309553
No, being a pretentious alcoholic is

>>19309530
This I screamin cause he based his whole personality on something he thought was cool?

>>19309299
>Wine can only make food taste better, food Cannot make wine taste better.
i don't have any book learnin' to tell me otherwise but there absolutely are wines that taste better with food
one of my favourite wines there are vintages i wouldn't bother to buy except to use as a food wine but due to the tannin structure and acidity they are wonderful for that purpose
can't even begin to imagine what sort of semantic horse shit you would have to come up with to tell me why the food isn't making the wine taste better

>>19306022
>Natural wine

>we deliberately sabotaged the testing and it turned out they failed the test!
>this is proof of...something

Why does wine cause such utter seethe?

>>19309569
People who only drink one kind of wine are just revealing that they're plebs, it's no different from people who refuse to eat fish or won't touch chicken if there's bones or skin or think vegetables are a vegan conspiracy to take away their tendies

>>19305997
whatever faggot, you go ahead and "enjoy" your fancy assed wine. i'll be crackin an ice cold natty daddy

>>19309373
The fact that you give that much of a shit about rotten fruit juice says more about you than people who can simply enjoy wine

>>19310696
You must be a restaurant manager if you care this much about the food other people are putting in their mouths

>>19305997
Let's all laugh at this ignorant hipster faggot who thinks winemaking has as much complexity as Whisky production

>>19310903

>put vodka into a barrel

Yes, very complex. Now, how long is your beard and what part of your anatomy do you intend to have pierced next?

>>19310903
Whisky faggots are the worst, they are either boomers or LARPing supreme gentlemans fedora tier autists.

>>19310891
No, I just take women on dates at restaurants and have people over for dinner that I cook, so I know a thing or two about human behavior when it comes to food and drink

>>19305997
>If you don't do the things I do, you suck
Damn OP, you must be undefeated at your middle school playground

>>19310948
So does everyone who has ever grown up to be old enough to post on this site, but nobody lets it personally effect them as much as you. The anti-picky eater crowd is the most vocal, outspoken, womanly group on this board

>>19310959
haha you spelled anti-ricecooker very wrong

>>19310959
t. posts at least one thread per week bitching about how they changed the color of the floor tiles at McDonalds

>>19310981
Why would anybody ever see the floor tiles in the building

>>19308552
Natural wine is fine, bottling wines full of gross lees are another thing. Enjoy your undisgorged garbage.

>>19311042
>gross lees
you don't have to drink it and there is nothing gross about it.
I find the brett more disgusting in the natural wines, and people just calling it "funky"

>>19305997
For any pairing you can do with wine, you can do a similar pairing with beer. I don't drink wine, it fucking sucks. It's great for cooking with though.
But I don't do pairings because that's stupid. I drink water with my food so I can taste the food.

what's actually wrong with snobbery? it's fun to have an enriching hobby.

>>19306022
>>19306026
>>19306048
based

It must be really shitty for Americans, any wine from Europe cost double for them just because of transportation, and even their localy produced wine is overpriced for the same level of quality.
I get why wine is not very popular in /ck/, most anons here are Americans and probably never tried a decent botle.

>>19311604
it's a more expensive hobbie in America than in Europe

>>19311604
Euro wine is subsidized so heavily that even the stuff that has to get shipped here ends up being cheaper for the quality than what you'd get domestically. All serious american wine regions have such good climate that rich people want to live there and so growing grapes and turning them into wine is hilariously expensive and the idea of subsidizing wine is a political non-starter, here we only susidize HFCS and GMO soy.

>>19311604
That's not even close to being true esl

>>19311260
Yeah I don't understand why anon is bitching about a little sediment, what I don't appreciate is when a $35 bottle is undrinkable unless I put it in the blender for 5 minutes and then let it air out for another 6 hours and it still has a vinegar aftertaste and smells like wet socks but oooh lah lah you can really taste the indigenous yeast!

The main thing I like about natty wine is that it did raise the standards for transparency

>>19306053
Nta but I remember hearing about this a few years back: https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infamous_study_on_wine_tasting.html

>>19311604
I'm a scandi and I enjoy wines from Napa. One of my best memories is sipping a nice chardonnay on a sunny day at a vinyard in the valley :) hugs to all americunt wine enjoyers

>>19312014
see:
>>19309530
>>19310692

>>19311886
I do enjoy some "animalistic" aromas when they blend in well, but some wines smell like rotten egg that ruin them completely.
But regardless I would say natty wine is fun and interesting.
Still I never paid more than €30 per bottle so far. I usually buy €15-ish wines.

>>19305997
the best thing I can say about wine is that you can afford it if you can't afford whisky.

>>19312474
that's only because whisky price inflation happened and what used to be entry level whisky is now like $120 a bottle, I'm not paying those prices, sorry but I know what that shit tastes like and it literally is not worth the money

how do i get into wine ?

>>19312014
interesting
wonder why those students were primed to taste red and white wine differently in the first place though\?

>>19312589
option 1: make a fortune in finance, tech, or entertainment, and buy your way in

option 2: be born into a wine making family

option 3: go to UC Davis

>>19312589
buy some bottles of wine from france or NorCal that are under $15

drink them

repeat until you find some you like

>>19312589
don't buy wine in supermarkets
go to a wine shop
ask for recommendation from the staff, they know their shit
buy wine
drink it
remember what you like
try new stuff next time and discover
also you can use vivino app to at least get some idea about some wines

>>19312589
Decant it into a bucket then step into the bucket

>>19312956
how do i get into wine without leaving the house

>>19312974
find an online wine shop, research the wines in your price range based on reviews and rating on vivino and cellartracker

>>19305997
Wine is for middle-aged women and homosexuals. Way to out yourself OP

>>19305997
I have real friends and peers who actually respect me, so I don't have to make my life revolve around shitty rotten grape juice for people to think I have personality

>>19308767
your tism is showing

>>19309373
no you can't you fucking mouth breather, you can't even spell "specific" and you're over there trying to act like a faggot version of james bond because you drank some rotten grape kool aid and decided to pretend you enjoy it to seem smart just like you pretend not to love nigger dick

>>19310944
no, wine faggots are the worst

whiskey faggots are a close second, followed by brew-your-own cucks

>>19311535
you should try enriching cocks down your throat, since it's obvious that's what you really want to be doing

>>19311609
being an alcoholic isn't a hobby, retard

>>19312589
there's easier and cheaper ways to be a homosexual

>>19311535
as long as you dont try to make it a competition, nothing
people who yell pretentious at everything are oversocialized

I went on a tinder date that claimed to know everything about wine bc she worked at the Olive Garden. I went to the bathroom and never went back to the table

>>19305997
Well I may be a pleb but at least I'm not a fag

>>19312614
Exactly, they're students. Their tastes aren't nearly as refined as actual sommeliers.
That being said, most wine is the same shit. With how it's made these days even cheap wine will taste fine

Alcohol is a toxic, carcinogenic solvent. I refuse to ingest something so damaging to the mind and body.

HOWEVER, I keep a nice bottle of red wine handy for stews and deglazing. The heat cooks of the alcohol and what remains gives a depth of flavour to my dishes.

Dishes. You know, for cooking. This is a cooking board after all. So take your fucking drug talk and piss swill and fuck off to the gutter with the other drunks. Faggot.

>>19314020

The heat doesn't cook off all the alcohol. You've been consuming that drug you claim to hate for years.

>>19305997
Alchohol bad
T. Mormon

>>19314020

That's not how it works., alky.

>>19312892
anon are you trying to turn op into one of those "california wine sucks" people because this is a good way to do it. I'm ok with this just double checking

>>19311535
fastfood picky eaters think "I enjoy this monopole mercurey more than that belle glos we had yesterday" is white genocide, you're supposed to pretend it's all the same or you're "putting on airs", it's best not to argue with them because they are the kinds of people who will have a meltdown when mcdonalds puts a black person in an advertisement and will probably drive across state lines and shoot you over it with an AR-15 and get acquitted

Wine is ok because it tastes good and gets you drunk but spouting shit like "it unlocks the flavors" just instantly exposes you as a pretentious midwit who likes repeating old wives tales. I bet you think that meat is cooked because it "seals in the juices" you utter fucking spastic.

>>19314219

Retarded zoomer weighs in and publicly shames themselves by being wrong. More at noon.

>>19314219
I have never heard anyone say that, I'm sorry the waitress at cheesecake factory made fun of you

>>19305997
OK boomer

>>19312589
Use Vivino and log the ones you tried until you find one you really like, once you log that one; you will start getting recommendations towards your taste.

If you knew the basics you'd know that natural wine is an overpriced meme and the concept of it is fucking ridiculous considering that wine is not a natural product to begin with because of human intervention. There's a reason why ancient winemaking techniques got abandoned, because the consistency was fucked and the quality was shit.

>>19314234
Vivino is a gay app used by cool wine aunts with zero taste. Use Cellartracker instead.

>>19314250
>Cellartracker
I'll check it out thanks

>>19314247
If there's no such thing as "natural' then there is nothing to get butthurt over

I view natural wine as just a broad tendency to pay more attention to ingredients and techniques (and if you think it's "just rotten grape juice" you are wrong)

Some producers have taken it too far and will try to push tainted product on consumers and then bully them into pretending it's "supposed to be that way", but if in the end it means more quality control and purity are rewarded by the market then I think I can live with a few consumers being fleeced by disgusting dumpster juice by a few unethical pushers, it's a small price to pay

>>19312014
The study specifically surveys oenology students, aka biochem students, not fucking somms or experienced tasters you fucking donut. They are not fucking experts in the slightest.

>>19314250
t. cellartracker employee

>>19314253
it really doesn't matter, eventually you outgrow those apps but literally anything even a paper notepad will do initially, the key is to pay attention, keep track, and integrate that knowledge into your future wine choices, this is how you develop a coherent sense of likes and dislikes and improve your batting average when blind buying

The only alcohol worth bothering is rum

>>19314254
>I view natural wine as just a broad tendency to pay more attention to ingredients and techniques (and if you think it's "just rotten grape juice" you are wrong)
I literally sell wine for a living. The odds of a natural wine producer paying more attention to their fruit over a high quality producer that simply limits copper sulfate spraying and does extensive vineyard management is slim to none. You can literally make a better version of a natural wine using concrete egg or amphora for fermentation with non-natural techniques because that's the entire point of why those techniques are used. Of course I've had great pet nat wines and low intervention wines, but the vast majority have no structure or complexity.

>>19314271
circular logic, "it's not natural wine if I approve of the producer doing the exact same thing as this other producer I disapprove of because they physically printed the term 'natural wine' on the label", if anything all you're doing is supporting my statement that bad product being pushed as good product is the problem and people paying more attention to quality control is good

>>19314260
>it really doesn't matter, eventually you outgrow those apps but literally anything even a paper notepad will do initially, the key is to pay attention, keep track, and integrate that knowledge into your future wine choices, this is how you develop a coherent sense of likes and dislikes and improve your batting average when blind buying

Yah but theres just so many it's hard for a complete noob to really distinguish, that app has been a lifesaver for me

>>19314307
Not saying don't an app (an app is great for the same reason a smart phone camera is great, the thing you will use is always better than the thing you forgot at home)

Just saying as long as it lets you keep track of shit, splitting hairs over whether it's approved by cool wine nerds is kinda stupid, unless you're only drinking wine to impress people which is absolute fucking cancer and you should kys

>>19310692
The Morrot study never intended to prove that wine tasters are morons, the whole study is about humans having terrible sense of smell and our smell being strongly connected to other senses which was already known.

>>19314282
>it's not natural wine if I approve of the producer doing the exact same thing as this other producer I disapprove of because they physically printed the term 'natural wine' on the label
That's not what I said. I said that producers who REFUSE to use sulfur based sprays and non-natural winemaking techniques like conventional yeast and clarification are generally going to be worse than producers who chose to use those techniques because it results in consistent wine and controllable quality unlike natural wine which is like Russian Roulette more times then not. I was a natural wine believer myself too, believe me I was, but after you keep spending way too much on mediocre wine that costs the same as good to very good quality Bordeaux, Barolo, Rioja, or even Sonoma or Napa Cabernet then clearly natural wine producers are doing something funky. Obviously I'll spend money on quality producers who are "low intervention" aka not quite natural but close enough to where they actually do WINEMAKING and not "throw grapes in a clay pot and see what happens! This is how the Romans and Greeks made wine!"

>>19314222
OP literally just said that.

>>19311260
>>19311886
>doesn't know what gross lees are
Ngmi

>>19314264
Why would you have such a ridiculous opinion?

Let me guess, you're some zoomer that just had his first glass of quality alcohol and it was some shit like Bumbu.

>>19305997
Imagine being this insecure over grape juice.

>>19314349
is there a rule that specifies what you're allowed to use to be able to say a wine is "natural"? I didn't think there was but you're the expert here. I was under the impression there were producers in your "good quality" DOCs/PDOs/etc that trim their vines and have adequate spacing between rows and avoid certain compounds and various other meme things, they just don't put the phrase "natural wine" on the label. also some wine makers that are pushed very aggressively as "natural" avoid the term "natural", yet are thought of as "natural", yet they use the naughty things when they deem it necessary

so at the end of the day you're just as guilty of superstitious behavior as your "natural wine believer" strawman, these words don't refer to a specific defined thing but rather a relative location on a spectrum so of course you'll be able to cherry pick examples that satisfy your desire to either rage at the dumb hippies or rage at big chemical, whichever happens to be the agenda of the minute

>>19314213
Oh shit I was just drinking monopole Mercurey the other day.

>>19314375
good taste detected

>>19314271
That's why I go for biodynamic wines. Best of both worlds imo.

>>19314207
nobody anywhere in the world except america gives a shit about californian wine

>>19314372
Not that anon but Bumbu is based

>>19314374
I dont really care that much about hippies pal, I just don't want to pay the same price for somebody's low effort natural Carignan than I could for good quality Priorat.
At the end of the day all I'm saying is that quality control is key, especially for wineries that do enough volume for international or country-wide commercial sales. Natural wine, for the most part, has questionable quality control.

>>19306082
A tasty poison with a very manageable LD50 though, and fun to boot

>>19314387
Eh, it was ok. Could probably find better local Chardonnay for the price but I haven't explored Mercurey much.

>>19314391
I wouldn't say that's true, I found opus one in a gift shop in the departure lounge of the macau hydrofoil terminal but it was probably fake

>>19314399
>same price for somebody's low effort natural Carignan than I could for good quality Priorat.
sure I guess but this just feels a little reactionary to me, everyone was all over natural wine's dick 8 years ago and now they found out that modern technology was probably invented for a reason but if they find a designated cool producer making as you call it "low effort" (actually probably higher effort) wine without too much adjuncts they'll still talk up how sprezzy and cool it is, they've just gotten less tolerant of bullshit and so the "natural wine" section of the store is now just the delinquents corner where they dump all the bottles that were causing complaints and put a warning sign up saying no refunds

>>19305997
No. It really doesnt matter all that much.

>>19314399
Quality control is an honest critique.
But beside that it's a blow of fresh air into the wine world, same as happened with the rise of the craft beer, I would take the defects but in exchange we have very interesting and new stuff going on.

>>19306060
after they changed the recipe it no longer goes well with food :(

>>19314990
why did they do that?

>>19306022
FPBP
Wine snobs don't have loving families or fulfilling relationships

>>19306022
fpbp wine is gay

>>19306022
fpbp a wine snob lives rent free inside me and makes me feel uncultured every time I see someone drinking something other than bud light (which is white genocide)

>>19311604
They get ludicrously cheap bourbon to make up for it.

>>19317320
last time I was buying wine there was a bottle of bourbon for like $1700 for sale, I will never get it and I am not interested in getting it, bourbon is dumb

>>19317628
It's not my thing either actually; it's too sweet for me. I appreciate it, though. But rye whiskey is a lot more my thing.
Still, obviously given I'm British I mostly drink Scotch whisky (I know Scots don't call it Scotch but wtf else am I gonna call it, nobody's gonna notice the lack of an e).

>>19307987
This retard can't tell the difference between a $10 bottle of wine and $100 bottle of wine, but pretends he can

>>19317630
I remember back in the day when scotch whisky was the expensive stuff and value hunters got knockoffs from other countries

Now the tables are turned and if I want to get my wallet raped I'll buy scotch style whisky from japan or taiwan and if I want a bargain I'll buy scotch from scotland

it's amazing that thread after thread, no matter the level of faggotry of boring cunts that use wine as a personality replacement, the autistic straight edge dweebs of /ck/ seem to take it as a challenge to be even greater cringetards

>>19306060
Sorry to hear about your blackness.

>>19317756
nta but I drink and love sprite, always have, and I'm not black. I do currently live in a majority black area, but I liked sprite before that too.

>>19305997
>Wine
"Alcohol is a poison, harmful to the soul and body, therefore it is a great sin to drink alcohol and to offer it to others, and it is an even greater sin to produce and sell this poison" Lew Tolstoy said that shit bro

>>19306053
Sommeliers are gatekeeing frauds that can't tell a cabernet from diet Pepsi. Wine is wine until it's vinegar, and that's that.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to clean my toilet with a bottle of 2005 Chateau Lafite Rothschild. Toodles.

>>19317797
Is that in the servant's quarters? I only clean with 1945 DRC. I don't know what the help uses.

>>19305997
No thanks, I don't drink!

>>19313206
Tell us more of the glories of wine coolers anon.

People seem to keep echoing wine being expensive
The best price point for wine is 10-20 bucks, going higher isn't worth it unless you're really into it

>>19318578
flyovers think that wine is something rich people drink to show off hence why every conversation about wine on this board immediately turns to an imaginary strawman that needs to be attacked or else cletus will feel like he's being implicitly criticized

>>19318716
>drink to show off
tbf tryhards like op aren't helping that impression

>>19318578
Kinda true. Go past 20 and it’s a different experience.

>>19305997
there's a time and a place for wine, but the people involved with it are the most insufferable beings imaginable. not to mention that so called sommieliers are bullshit artists that can't tell a $2 wine from a $100 one, and for good reason: 99% of wines of a certain style all taste the same. both beer and spirits mog wine in terms of variety

>>19319078
guys like op are fucking annoying (thankfully few and far between irl ime) but i don't know why you'd see a guy using wine to replace the need for having a personality and think the answer is using contrarianism instead, what the fuck am i supposed to talk to you about if i meet you, the most effective way to criticise sour grapes?
>not to mention that so called sommieliers are bullshit artists that can't tell a $2 wine from a $100 one, and for good reason
you able to back this up with research or is it just more misrepresented shit passed through a telephone game of sour grapes contrarians

>>19305997
I'm not a wine snob but I 100% agree that wine is the next step you should take in your cooking/dining expierence. I can't imagine not having a nice glass of wine that pairs well with my dinner.

>>19305997
I don't like drinking anything WITH my meal.
After? Sure. But during? Fuck off.

I don't like drinking wine with food honestly
At one point I was drinking 6-7 glasses of red wine every night but I always drank them after a meal
Maybe white wine would be more suitable but personally white wine makes me feel sick even when it's served room temperature

>>19320492
do you not own a fridge?

>>19320518
I feel worse when it's chilled

What's the least dogshit wine review/ wine finder website?

>>19308767
>swiss army knife is very unconfortable to open a wine

How? They are round and smooth at the edges. If the corcscrew is in the middle of the knife it should be very comfortable

>>19309414
>>19309543
How you tell the world you''re American without telling anyone.

>>19306026
>drugs = wine
Found the brainwashed weeder

>>19320691
Wine review? Depends on your palate.

Wine finder? Idk what you mean by that.

>>19321590
Imagine, if you will, a website which aggregates reviews and allows oneself to search wines by region, style, varietals, average price, etc. Now what if there several competing ones each with their own flaws, foibles and idiosyncrasies? It would be useful to know which was the least flawed.

>>19313047
>Wine is for middle-aged women
Only women say this to keep me from getting drunk for cheap.

>>19305997
For me, it's apple cider

>>19305997
I have tried to drink wine before but every single one was freaking bitter as hell, and I can't stand too much bitterness.

>>19323525
Red or white? I've never had a white wine that's bitter, but those in turn tend to be overly sweet. Reds always feel more sour than bitter to me, but I know I also like bitter tastes more (I really like dark chocolate and stouts, for example).

>>19320480
What kind of actual philistine are you? The right wine with food make both the food and the wine taste better. It’s like in the mouth.
>>19323525
Get some French Pinot noir. I think you’ll like it. Look up pairings: have it with some duck

>>19322909
Vivino and Cellartracker are the main two for review aggregation. Vivino has far more reviews per wine, but the reviews are largely by people who don't know wine very well. Cellartracker's reviews are more focused on how a wine's aging, but are generally higher quality than Vivino.

Neither of those are very good wine databases. I usually use wine-searcher for that, as it allows you to sort by region and style more easily. It's still not that good.

Overall I wouldn't trust any of these to buy wine. Best method is either to buy from a source where the staff are knowledgeable and can recommend something, or pay for a domestic professional reviewer who has a similar palate to you.

>>19314029
most of it evaporates

I don't like alcohol anymore

>>19323525
Try some white wines. If they're all too bitter for you, maybe wine isn't for you.

>Wine basics
>It's drinkable
>Has various flavours you might enjoy
>Is alcoholic
That's it. Drink wine you like the taste of, get drunk

>box wine from a ceramic cup in the luscious garden of an older woman who works in theatre
This is peak wine and nothing compares. Straight up Cohen stuff and I wish it on all of you friends

>live in NZ
>where the best wine comes from
>get plastered like J Depp for a buck a glass

Feels good, man

>>19324187
TFW the salt pork is particularly good

>>19323702
thanks for the info

>>19323683
buying a wine from france that has the phrase "pinot noir" on the label is a pretty reliable way to get trash tier pinot noir, that's an amerishart thing (and amerishart pinot noir is all over the place and not for beginners)

appellation labeling exists for a reason and it's not to make you feel uncultured as shocking as this may seem

>>19324187
I only had whis white from NZ, pretty good for the price.
What is the staple or the most well known NZ red?

>>19324500
central otago pinot noir is the meme product. australian wine just isn't very good, they will get very angry about this and call you a pleb so the best thing to do when they try to give you the "you just haven't had the good stuff" is politely say "oh, interesting, I will have to try that some time" and then not try it some time. don't take my word for it, tasting bad wine is an important part of the learning experience

>>19324516
>they will get very angry about this
mid-boggling levels of projection from somebody using any excuse to rant about a thing nobody else mentioned in the thread

>>19324546
uhm excuse you it's called an inb4 and it means have already I won, normie

>>19324549
fuck off yoda

>>19308007

>based schizopost

Whenever I go to fancy restaurants I order a diet coke. I want to enjoy the food and everyone knows the markup on wine is 3 times the actual price of the bottle.

>>19324659
so you'd rather spend $10 on 45 cents worth of coke?

>>19320876
Civilized men use levers to remove corks, rather than brute straight-line force.

>>19324516
Rent free.

bumping this shit thread because its the only wine thread on the board

>>19323525
>and I can't stand too much bitterness

Why the fuck are you on 4chan then?