/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Good lord

I thought it was CAD$30

>>19258230
that's a fairly normal amount of food for an average sized person I'd say?

>>19258230
zimbabwean dollars?

>>19258230
this has to be outside the u.s.

I deleted burgerking from my phone. They used to have 2 whoppers for $5just this year. Now it's $12 and they include 2 little tiny boxes of fries. 3 times I've shown up on time and they wouldn't give me my food. Had to wait several days for a refund.

Value apps are: taco bells $5 now $5.99 cravings box with 10 cent upgraded drink. Popeyes 2 can dine for $9. McDonalds 2 quarter pounders for $4.89 + 2 large fries for $2.49 under the shareable tab. Or jack in the box munchie meal with 2 extra tacos and whatever coupon they have. Alternate between these and you should collect a ton of points for free food. Avoid fries if you don't want Alzheimer's.

>>19258230
in yen maybe

Stop buying the goyslop

Covid was the greatest wealth transfer in human history and you all just sat there and called us conspiracy nuts and took your poison like brain-dead fucking cattle.
Enjoy the rest of your shitty lives in this shitty hell that you helped create.
And know when it's all over God will likely judge you harshly for being spineless fucking worms.

>>19258361
>Fast food prices went up?
>Billions must fry

>>19258365
this but unironically

Ok now I'm mad

>>19258361
What did you do about? Bitch on 4chan?
So brave.

it's barbados.
one barbados dollar is worth 0.50 USD

>>19258361
This but unironically

>>19258389
>>19258361
LMAO

>>19258361
didn't read commie

>>19258306
They recently redid the jack munchie meal to $10 all day, and removed all the unique items. Another bites the dust.

>>19258306
>taco bells $5 now $5.99 cravings box with 10 cent upgraded drink. Popeyes 2 can dine for $9.
Those are pretty much the only fast food items I still buy, aside from the occasional bacon king from BK with mustard and no mayo. It's like $10 for the burger alone but it's worth it.

>>19258444
>No more chicken tater melt
Well no reason to ever go back there again.

>>19258230
>>19258389
Have you heard the one about the baiter from Barbados?

>>19258389
>>19258390
BUT REMEMBER, YOU CAN OnLY REBELL IF YOU ACCEPT COMMUNISM, AFTER ALL IT WOULD BE RUDE IF YOU WASTED THESE BILLIONAIRS TRILLIONS THEY TOOK OUT IN YOUR NAME TO GET YOU TO WANT IT.

>>19258492
better dead than red, comrade

>>19258230
Wait, WHAT!
$30?

fake, it's 2 for $9 actually and i'm in waterloo

>>19258464
for real wtf that was the best item on the menu
why do these companies hate money so much
fucking MBA retard pieces of shit can't even figure out how to take money from willing customers anymore

>>19258894
you'll get your wish. your guys will only stop once they've sucked every last drop of value out of your desiccated body you've willingly offered them.

>>19258950
it was like 2 for 6 before the pandemic. then creeped up to 2 for 7 for the longest time. $4.50 for a fucking whopper is not a deal. that's like regular price. may as well just buy a non-shit burger at wendy's instead.

look man inflation is pretty fucking bad but at this point companies just have to be bullshitting with some of these prices right?

>>19259030
>inflation
80% a meme, 20% reality.
it is driven entirely by huge corpos realizing they can collude and price fix the whole economy and people have to go along with it or die

>>19259068
It's payback for shorting gamestop

>>19258361
God forgives everyone in the end. He says so himself.

>>19259121
what about homosexuals who are into butt stuff

>>19259030
yes
they're too big to fail, the average person is too far from any means of self-sufficiency that the world at large has no choice but to go along with it
price elasticity for 99% of goods may as well be zero - what are you going to do, make your own gasoline? grow everything you need to feed yourself in your 1 bedroom apartment? there's no alternative in the average person's situation to just wageslaving enough to get by and that remaining margin gets squeezed thinner every hour

>>19259020
are those stargate atlantis props??

>>19259136
eventually doesnt mean you don't spend a few centuries sauteeing off the sin first

>>19259171
yes lmao. wraith victim corpses. seemed appropriate.

>>19259161
ceo, boards and all that shit unironically need to taste some car bombs

>>19259172
what about judas who would be better off to have never been born... surely infinite goodness as a reward would make it better to have been born and just get a little bit of searing for a while

>>19259020
>willingly
lol wut?

>>19258230
Nothing wrong with this. I will usually spend close to $15 on one meal. So if you get 2 that comes out to $30

>>19258906
welcome to Joe Biden's economy. Don't forget to pay your Caymen Island-- I mean Ukraine tax.

>>19258230
last time I went to burger king there was a nice girl at the first window that was clearly new and struggling to work by herself. then when I got to the second window the store manager was standing there talking extreme amounts of shit about her and how fucking dumb and useless she was.
I wasn't even simping for the girl but shithole fast food managers acting like they're drill sargents always pisses me off and I filed a complaint and got a $10 gift card and the manager got written up or something.
lol, lmao even.

>>19259199
>implying judas wasn't the lord's inside man
Someone had to make sure christ stuck to the plan

>>19259304
>I wasn't even simping for the girl but shithole fast food managers acting like they're drill sargents always pisses me off

I got stuck in a BK drive-thru last weekend because the poor window worker caught like 3 psycho boomers in a row. The manager was either completely truant (but I'm sure they'll bitch people out for not working weekends) or too much of a spineless cunt to start forcing people to pull into the parking lot or fuck off for holding up the car line.

Is it any surprise no one wants to work this shit any more?

>>19258390
>unironically posting twitter screencaps
kill yourself.

>>19259264
>with us or against us mindset
Religion yo.

>>19259365

>>19258361
From and to whom did the wealth transfer?

>>19258230
>Coca Cola NO sugar
>that's a good thing
>but it's full of high fructose Corn Syrup
>ooh, that's bad
>but we recycle the bottles
>that's good!
>the recycled bottles contain incredible amounts of cancerous microplastics
>that's bad

>>19258390
They must die, all of them, for the good of the realm.

>>19259380
This doesn’t even make sense, CEOs don’t make up their own pay and increasing taxes on corporations wouldn’t necessarily make them cut costs by reducing CEO pay, what stupid liberal twaddle for a stupid liberal like you.

At least the right wing explanation of immigration lowering the price of labor makes sense though it is still incorrect, fact of the matter is that CEOs get paid that much because they are worth that much, the value of managerial talent has simply increased to that level.

>>19259020
>implying this didn’t literally happen under communism

>>19259489
>the people who control wages decide how much their own employment is worth

>>19258482
No tell it to me

>>19259511
CEOs salary is decided by the board, the job is different from being the owner you idiot, this is why you are a leftist because you are just so goddamn stupid

>>19259520
dunning kruger in action

>>19259528
Retarded retard in action

Imagine

>>19258950
Napoleon is that you!?

>>19258361
I made money during COVID but I could've made more. Honestly upsetting but I try not to think about it. There is no reason why anybody needs 1 billion dollars unless they're trying to literally buy humans themselves.

>>19259520
>CEOs salary is decided by the board
So all of their friends? Perfect. You retard.

>>19258387
Not voting for Biden would have helped. Not much, mind, you, but it would have.
>none of us did
well ok, what'd you do?

>>19259857
fuck off retard

>>19259858
pretty much the answer I expected

>>19258365
all prices went up too much too quickly for no reason and nothing has gone back down

>>19258230
that's in Canadian dollars so that is like $17.50 in USA money

>>19259908
Canada printed 5x the monetary supply during the holocough. So we have 500% inflation.
US printed slightly less and I think it is down to only 300% inflation.

>>19259847
Their employers you insufferable intellectual black hole known as a leftist. What exactly are you proposing even, that every single ceo is secretly the board embezzling every single company’s funds?

>>19259938
so what good does it do a company to throw millions of dollars a year at the ceo? you really think each of those board members aren't having something thrown their way to encourage them to raise that figure?

>>19259500
The two biggest improvements in living standards in global history were soviet russia and soviet china.
Also, if your complaint is "bad shit happened", like that doesn't happen constantly in the other types of society. Look at the US, the richest country on the planet has swarms of homeless druggies in every major city that isn't too cold to live, can't feed it's children or provide health care for it's citizens, needs millions of illegal immigrants from mexico to fuel it's construction and agriculture industries and had a fascist takeover attempt at the last presidency switch. Oh and you might get randomly murdered by an incel with an AR15 or gangbangers with switch pistols.

>>19259978
Yes I do, it is a much more reasonable explanation that CEOs are simply worth their pay than there being a massive conspiracy to steal from all the shareholders in the world. Even if there was a conspiracy, is that actually an argument against capitalism even? If a corporation is just trying to maximize shareholder profits for better or worse and that is your argument against capitalism then it logically follows that everything a corporation is doing is to maximize profits including offering big money for competent CEO services.

Again, at least blaming immigrants is logical and follows the timeline of the wage gap.

>>19260003
they're not actually worth what they're being paid, actual pay increases should go to everybody in the company because collectively they make it function. a 1% maximum bump for CEO will still be 50x the size for a 10% bump for all their employees

>>19259994
>The two biggest improvements in living standards in global history were soviet russia and soviet china.
Lmao, just lmao, you idiots have no idea how objectively horrible the soviet union was, like horror movies cannot even compete with living in the soviet union, read the gulag archipelago homie. Even if you don’t attribute the horror of the soviets to communism/socialism you should at least want to investigate it to make sure it can’t happen to you and can really be explained away as a coincidence. Communism destroyed the russians as a people, punishing hard work and intellectual honesty as far as systematically genociding it, more than bad shit happened it was the worst shit of all time. Russia was also feudalist before the revolution, not capitalist.

The US government spends more than half the GDP btw, that means we are more socialist than capitalist and you can blame our problems more on socialism if it must be the fault of the system.

>waaah guns
He who gives up liberty for safety gets neither

>>19260013
>CEOs aren’t worth their paycheck because janitors are worth just as much as managers and should only make a few dollars less to be fair
Great argument there fucktard. The market isn’t about your feelings, maybe you consider that an argument against the market but it still isn’t a conspiracy. It also isn’t even fair, if anyone could do what the high paid CEO does anyone would. Interesting that you can’t start off with your real retardation though isn’t it, like deep down you are subconsciously ashamed and know you can’t come outright with the ideology.

>>19258230
30 meals for 2$?

>>19260013
>a 1% maximum bump for CEO will still be 50x the size for a 10% bump for all their employees
Let's use McDonald's here since that's both a favorite scapegoat for anti-capitalists and also familiar to all the fatasses on /ck/. The math also works out easier for 4:00 AM.
McDonald's has the second-highest ratio of CEO pay to average worker earnings: $20m for their CEO in 2021 versus roughly $9,000 average worker pay. (Keep in mind most of these workers are not full-time but that is irrelevant)
OK, so say we give the CEO a 1% pay raise. That's $200,000 extra per year.
Let's take that $200,000 and spread it among all McDonald's employees. How many employees do they have again?
Well, in 2021 it was... roughly 200,000.
Congratulations, you just gave everyone a $1 (not 1%, $1) yearly raise.

>>19258230
As someone who doesnt eat fast food (yeah really), do people A: actually go into fast food restaurants and order "deals" like this? B: actually spend 30 dollars at Burger king? These are legitimate questions.

>>19258390
>twitter literallywho
boy i'm really enjoying all those sources

>>19259030
If anything we haven’t even seen the worst of the inflation yet, it should be much worse, there is literally 5x as much currency as there was 3 years ago.

>>19260062
Just wait until the petrodollar is gone

>>19259161
>they're too big to fail, the average person is too far from any means of self-sufficiency that the world at large has no choice but to go along with it
This is pretty much why Canadian prices are so high, even without inflation.

>>19259161
Too big to fail isn’t even a thing, massive companies fail all the time (yet another plothole in anticapitalism rhetoric). Usually when you people say too big to fail you mean to big to let fail as in the government will bail it out, not that there is any consistency to your beliefs beyond a desperate shameless stupidity. Idk if you are obliviously thinking that anything you can’t make for yourself must be a monopoly in the market or that they can only put the screws to us on necessities (or if even you know exactly what you are saying) but here is the rub, monopoly is not real. The idea that private monopolies are something to fear is an invention of politics, before the turn of the century the term monopoly was assumed to mean a company that was in bed with the government and cheating the free market. Monopolies are not actually possible in a free market, even if you are so big you can sell at a loss for years and put all your competitors out of business it would all be wasted effort as soon as you tried to cash in and people start undercutting your price hikes. Even cartels don’t function, someone always undercuts their fellow monopolists in secret to get ahead.

cont

>>19260303
Monopoly fearmongering goes back to teddy roosevelt, a puppet president for JP morgan. Roosevelt was married into his family and the rough rider cowboy image was created by him for propaganda. Teddy roosevelts war on trusts was actually just JP morgans war with rockefeller that had started decades earlier over the transportation of oil. Not only was it ridiculous and hypocritical with teddy even saying there are good trusts and bad trusts, it was entirely unnecessary since standard oil had lost the vast majority of its market share already to increasing competition, so much for standard buying everyone up and becoming the only oil company as the commie narrative suggests should happen. There are men who famously got rich off of rockefeller when he was trying to buy up the market by just continuously building refineries for him to buy out, that is another argument against monopoly I think, if it ever did exist you could just become a property developer for it lol. Also, if monopolies are an issue, it is still preferable that every industry will be operated by its own monopoly than for one single overarching government monopoly to control every industry, so you need to prove not that monopolies are a problem but that they are a problem because one day they will all conglomerate into one, and once you have proven that you would have to convince me why your arbitrary seizing of total control is preferable, after all at least the monopoly earned it.

>>19258361
>>19258390
Probably the final nail in humanity's coffin was this weird switcheroo where typical anti rich anti consumer Andy's were duped into thinking they were FIGHTING the billionaires by shilling for globalism. Yes yes, take the vax, open your borders, castrate your kids and protect the corporation in the name of socialism amirite.

>>19260305
And today nobody even knows Standard Oil New York.

>>19259380
>unironically posting twitter screencaps
kill yourself.

>>19260317
It was Occupy Wall Street, the banks realized that all they had to do was post their support for social justice memes on Twitter and Facebook to get people to support them and the rest of globohomo followed suit. Of course the fact that they are all run by the same people trying to destroy Western civilization and the white race helped immensely

>>19259429
>The microplastics make more femboys
>That...uhhhh..ummm
>That's bad....

>>19258230
its so fucked

Mcdoubles in Canada used to be $1.39 in 2013.

10 Years later they are $3.89. What justified the 280% rise in price???

>>19259857
>not voting for lobbyist puppet XYZ could have stopped that decade year old plan
sure bud

>>19260322

>>19258306
>Alternate between these and you should collect a ton of points for free food.
A sucker is born every minute.

>>19258389
OH NO IT'S BARBADOS SLIM!

>>19260464
people paying the price

>>19259380
But have worker wages trended up since then? Just because the gap gets larger doesn't mean wages have gone down. Also the idea of trickle down means more that it benefits the whole system. If you can mark positive economic growth across classes then it works by definition.

Not trying to defend corpos btw. I just hate disingenuous rhetoric

>>19260796
>inflation is right wing conspiracy theory pushed by russian spies, the real reason is because the whole business world is colluding to set prices exactly as high as you are willing to spend and not competing with each other for prices

>>19260832

>>19259520
Not all companies have boards, doofus.

>>19260845
So?

>>19259978
Talent acquisition and retention. The same as any other salary. Everyone wants a fortune 500-caliber CEO so they have to pay appropriately for them. If you had any skills beyond stocking diapers at Walmart you could also get payed more for your skills.

I'm not going to deny that they're probably overplayed in a lot of cases, but the bulk of their salaries are legitimately substantiated by supply/demand

>>19260305
>that is another argument against monopoly I think
Only if the monopoly doesn't own government enough to put restrictions on building new property with absurd regulations

>>19260843
>Minimum wage decreased
>no source
Ok

>>19260855
Their salaries are based on finding new ways to pay the people who product their products less, generating artificial demand for products people don’t need, and incessantly raising the price of products to maintain profits - which aren’t just supposed to be maintained but are somehow always supposed to grow.

To keep profits for products growing all the time necessarily means doing many bad things.

>>19260720
I’M NOT WIGGLIN’ DEM, DEY DO DAT ON DERE OWN

>>19258230
test

>>19260876
>artificially raising demand
>raising the price of products to maintian profits
>profits are expected to grow for some reason
Explain how any of those effects are caused by paying CEOs more

>>19260875

>>19260617
Milton Friedman put forth the idea that this is the ultimate result of the liberal agenda and social democrat politics. By half assing communism you are just making it harder for new business and competition to enter the market and big business grows since it is best equipped to deal with all the regulation and social demands, meanwhile opening the floodgates on regulation lets lobbies for these businesses push regulations in their favor that are casually explained away as being for the greater social good.

>>19260832
Trickle down economics is a valid concept because all taxes, whether they be on corporations or other countries in the form of a tariff, just come down to the consumer, it isn’t like you are taxing extra profit they squirrel away, the less money taken by the government the more goes to competing in the market ie lower prices and more higher quality goods. Ideally there should be no taxes at all, it is theft and government is wasteful and useless.

>>19260869
Hence why monopoly is defined by government privilege. Hell the government itself is technically just a monopoly on force.

>>19260855
>>19260876
It is absolutely conceivable that CEOs aren’t worth their pay, and that they practice an inefficient means of boosting shareholder profits by stripping a company to a skeleton crew and lowering the quality of materials used/generally lowering the value of the product (or are simply doing the best that can be done in the degenerate society around them). Maybe that is just what appealing to the lowest common denominator means (and maybe taxes lower that denominator further). Point being it isn’t a conspiracy and that the market actually prices CEO wages that high. If there were a problem with CEO practices the freer the market the faster it would be solved.

>>19260892
That is what you get for not working for Big Macs I guess. Or even better, gold.

>>19260892
Oh so minimum wage DID go up

>>19259938
>What exactly are you proposing even
These people laugh at you, and want your children to starve. There is no competition up there, it's a bunch of friends, friends of friends, friends of family, keeping their reigns on society. When you have billions or trillions of dollars you have an obligation to benefit and aid society. When you don't, you should be fairly paying your employees, not throwing money at your CEO, VP, board of directors, etc.

>>19260855
>Talent acquisition and retention. The same as any other salary. Everyone wants a fortune 500-caliber CEO so they have to pay appropriately for them.
Meanwhile Hollywood has been losing billions of dollars on garbage shows, Amazon throwing multi million at garbage writers not writing anything. THEY'RE THROWING THEIR MONEY AT TALENT
I don't know why people make up this crap. They're hiring their neices and nephews, their friend's sons. They're not hiring talented people. There's a reason it's the same people over and over again in these positions. Every time you see a "CEO's" work history, it's being the CEO of multiple other companies. That just means the positions aren't open for people with the talent, just people in the group.

>>19260849
Then who decides the CEO's salary?

>>19260892
>americans measure economic activity in big macs per hour

>>19258365
yeh billionaires, along with their scummy lapdogs (You).

>>19260043
Disingenuous. McDonalds is worth 195 billion dollars. Divide that by 200,000, and each employee gets 975,000 dollars. Prices either need to lower or salaries need to be higher. 20m divided by 200,000 is 35,000. You'd change lives if you gave each employee 35k more a year.

CEOs or whatever these people call themselves are not doing any back breaking work like they used to. These companies are essentially monopolies and they are all connected. All the owners know each other already, they're not at each other's throats. CEO should be making a couple of million a year, and the rest should be used to bump employee salaries by 15-20k a year. I don't know what you tried to prove but 20 million dollars to that guy is clearly unnecessary.

>>19258230
That's literally an ounce of silver for that meal

>>19259010
they listen to the bean counters more than publics opinion nowadays. muh bottom line.

>>19259121
>God forgives everyone in the end. He says so himself.
Everyone still around after he divides the wheat from the chaff, and throws the chaff into the fire.

>>19261275
Good. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>19261253
>You'd change lives if you gave each employee 35k more a year.
You would mostly change inflation statistics upwards.

>>19261334
If you don't have any rope lying around remember you can always use an electrical lead.

>>19261218
>These people laugh at you, and want your children to starve.
K, that’s fine. I don’t care and I forgive them even. I am happy to believe in a conspiracy theory don’t get me wrong, I have no doubt there is a jewish cabal. What I don’t believe is that it is relevant, either that there is a cabal or that they are jewish. All this special interests and monopolistic control comes from government and nothing else, with no government the jews are a nothing burger.
>When you have billions or trillions of dollars you have an obligation to benefit and aid society.
No you don’t, they already have, and they will continue to do so. Their money isn’t just hoarded, it goes into investment ie the creation of new capital and this is where the prosperity of capitalism over other systems comes from, the superior efficiency of the entrepreneur to account for the needs of the market as compared to a peoples statistics bureau (it is by no coincidence that socialist governments have gone by this name) and just as well the superior efficiency of the free man to choose his vocation rather than dealing with the communist problem Lenin termed “who, whom” or as modern economists call it “who goes to siberia”. Who does the harder work, but even deeper than that who will be best at the harder work, this is the greatest reason communism doesn’t work, it simply cannot account for the vast natural processes of economy. Unknowable variables.

You also can’t do an inheritance tax or it all falls apart for this reason, with no way to pass on their legacy people will have no incentive to continue building their wealth past a certain amount they can use in their life time and thus less investment and less capital and less real wealth as a society.
>When you don't, you should be fairly paying your employees, not throwing money at your CEO, VP, board of directors, etc.
They are fairly paid at the market rate and minimum wage is unnecessary and actually harmful.
cont

>>19261410
Minimum wage lowers employment and is a two fold problem that means less people working for more and less people earning for more expensive goods. Minimum wages origins in the US are from unions demanding the government pay a certain rate for contracts since black owned businesses were outcompeting them on bids, not exactly a pretty history. The economist WH hutt has a great book on how unions created apartheid in south africa as well called the colour bar.

The problem with society today is with the monetary system and other government involvement related issues. The fed literally exists for the express purpose of decreasing the value of your money and to raise the price of goods to match the rate at which they fall naturally due to increasing efficiency and industry competition. You are being stolen from so that you don’t save money, and the perks are the government has a viaduct for money printing for anything including pumping the economy full of cash to turn around a recession for the benefit of an upcoming election and making the next recession worse ad nauseam (that’s where we are now, nauseam).

>>19261253
Ok, so you get put in charge of mcdonalds and you fire the ceo and replace him with the 2 million dollar ceo. The company loses more 18 million dollars from the comparative lack of talent and your whole plan is bust and some people even lose their jobs. Maybe things are more complicated than a retard like you can surmise them to be, fact of the matter is you have no idea how to hire a CEO asshole.

>>19261348
That is not true and plays into the commie idea that inflation is all a big scam

>>19261413
>fire the ceo and replace him with the 2 million dollar ceo. The company loses more 18 million dollars from the comparative lack of talent

imagine actually believing this horseshit. The system is no longer free market capitalism, you dumb twat, it's been replaced with a highly controlled neo-feudal system.

>>19261464
Yea, I call it socialism

>19261470
>calling the open corruption, theft and destruction of the public's wealth "socialism".
absolute fucking worm. What do you get out of this?

>>19261489
That is literally exactly what socialism is I could not have worded it better myself. And you are a fascist while we are making things clear.

>>19261499
lol. The only thing that "we" have made clear is that you are a worm.
Your posts defend the current criminal corruption and hijacking of our society as natural and necessary, with no recourse.

>And you are a fascist
lol...

>>19261546
I didn’t defend it, I blamed idiots like you for it happening. I defend free market capitalism, the freest and most righteous form of society and the coincidental bonus of being the smartest system economically.

>>19261560
So you don't believe in a public funded police force, waste management, Emergency services, etc?

>>19261602
Not at all lmao. The waste one is easy, calling for free market waste management has always been low hanging fruit for the libertarian and that is kind of what they were known for in the 60s and 70s. Private waste management already exists and proves the theory that government does everything more expensively and less effectively than a business can. Medical emergency services are already private obviously. I am aware there was supposedly a private fire station in new york that was a disaster but actually the government was still involved, some boomer wrote that in a really bad book recently about how covid is proof libertarianism doesn’t work lel, I’m sure you can figure how much that argument phases me. Fire stations can be private as a subscription service as a form of insurance, and even if you don’t subscribe they still have a responsibility to put out your fire as a hazard to their subscribers, or at least the company that gets the most business would take on that responsibility in order to get their business (e.g. turn of the century industrial boiler manufacturers sharing legal liability with their customers in order to get their business). Actually as a matter of fact insurance companies would probably morph into the free market emergency services, including police. One reason this will be better is because of the restitution focus of anarchist law, there would be no prisons to store prisoners, all crimes would have to be treated transactionally and guilty would be sentenced to repay the victim at the threat of blacklisting and ostracization from the charging court and its customers, which could be very painful indeed. Anarchist law will be decided by the free market like anything else, courts will market their system of law and in all likelihood a system heavily biased towards freedom would emerge.

>>19261730
In theory, with good evidence, this should all be cheaper to pay for than taxes due to private sector efficiency through harder budget constraints and the superior price accounting of entrepreneurs, as well as businesses not passing the cost of their taxes onto the consumer. This is a great book by Milton Friedman’s son who, unlike his father who is a great deal responsible for the shittiness of today, is based af. He has a whole chapter on plethora of reasons why private cops would be a massive improvement including being immune to corruption.

>>19260464
>they mcdoubled the price
you can't say you weren't warned

>>19258230
Its from Qatar

>>19260839
no retard the inflation rate IS them fixing prices. do you think you have some kind of control over the inflation rate? the government, owned by shadow government inc, tells the fed to print money, so they do or they get their heads chopped off because everyone in the fed as well is a middle manager for the shadow government, and then that cost is passed on to us, in the mean time prices raise to keep any of the printed money we get as propitiation from improving our status in any way. then for the next 20 years talking heads will blame half the country in succession for the thing that was always planned to be done to us.

At least we don't make cows hate half their heard when it's time to cut a head of a steer.

>>19260617
>>19260908
>how do we do this? w-well, we;ll just get the seat of these billionairs power to tell them to do it or esle!
>what do you mean I'm crazy!? give all your rights and powers and money to the government right wing biggot!
That was always the plan of the big businesses since they are the ones that get nationalized and socialized. Once that happens you are now forced to pay for their products.

>>19260843
>average CEO increased by x percent
wrong
>>19260875
its wrong anyway, minimum wage decreased by a factor of 6.

What is this thread about?

>>19260855
their sallary is hush money for money laundering you god damn retard.

>>19261253
>CEOs or whatever these people call themselves are not doing any back breaking work like they used to. These companies are essentially monopolies and they are all connected. All the owners know each other already, they're not at each other's throats.
whoa cool it with the antisemetic remarks

>>19261470
>nazism
lmao
>individualism good
God I hate you atom niggers. you are responsible for all of our suffering.
Fuedalism is the way. It is a system based upon FAMILIES
upon NOT BEING ALONE

>>19261489
thats exactly what socialism is, the forcing of the public to pay for goods and services by force.

>>19261563
no, its the other way around. Capitalism is about getting the wealth. Socialism is about keeping the wealth.
It's much easier to avoid competition and bankruptcy when you make it illegal to buy from anyone who's not you.

>>19261560
There is no such thing as free market capitalism you absolute retard
There is no system of government or market that can be divorced from violence, therefore the NAP and all markets are bloody ones. The only way you can have a market that is free from this is when someone has a monopoly on violence. that is not a free market at all.

>>19261602
>waste management
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13X-7mbBo9A

Schizos out in full force tonight

>>19261734
there is no such thing as private sector efficiency you retard.
The private sector WANTS these regulations, it is a way to squeeze competition into subserviance and destruction. once you have your crop established, you weed the field.

>>19258230
Thanks biden and Zelensky.

>>19261874
stop taking your meds

>>19259857
I got a job

>>19261815
idek how to respond. If the inflation is the fixing of prices then why are the cost being passed on to us and the prices rising in the meantime separate events?

>>19261825
It doesn’t have to be an evil plan by businesses it can just be economic determinism, the existence of a government is like welfare for business, breeding laziness and rewarding failure. This is especially true when you have nationalized banking. Socialists on the other hand.. definitely just elites trying to secure their position which is inherently insecure in capitalism where generations of nouveau riche constantly rise up and replace the old crust. Even Marx called out socialist movements of the 1800s as being led by feudal elites as an act of revenge and reconquest on the new bourgeoisie elite.

>>19262374
Socialism is a complex problem, Carl Jung and Nietzsche identified the collectivist as a scared and powerless individual living in a post God world seeking society as a new religion and government as a new god. Jung believed the death of religion was the birth of anxiety disorders and that humanity lost a precious cope with mortality and infinitude of existence and Nietzsche wrote his philosophy for a future people living in a now totally godless world, for certain men to find it and become the ubermensch and rise above the leztzermensch who were coincidentally described as socialist in character. Nietzsche also talked about true world beliefs and identified christianity as platonism and believing in this reality as just a stop for an immortal soul, and likened it to socialism and how they believe we don’t live in the true human world. As Marx said, communism is the end of history. That is probably deeper than I can put into a 4chan post, let’s move on.

>>19262379
Then there is the intelligentsia and their predilection to socialism, Thomas Sowell has a fantastic book on this called vision of the anointed, and Hayeks iconic road to serfdom sheds some great light on the subject too I highly recommend them both. One thing that needs to be understood is the ancient relationship between intellectuals and the government. As Hume pointed out, no government can exist without the support of their people, even the soviets needed propaganda, and to accomplish this the state has maintained a relationship with the intellectuals originally in the form of the priesthood and now in the form of college professors. The state subsidizes the existence of the intellectual and forces them to have prostate intellectual opinions, lest they find themselves out of the job. There is a certain person who is right to be hired as an intellectual, and that person is the smarmy dim witted socialist. This is why economics has always been a troubled science despite being so simple, its conclusions have always been fundamentally anarchist.

Collectivism is amorphous, there can be an infinite number of collectives, blacks, women, gays, etc and therefore it is a perfect tool for manipulating the public. It should just be obvious that communism is an elites wet dream because if they pull it off with them in charge they never have to worry about displacement ever again and it is completely arbitrary to centralize power to deal with the threat of capitalism.. centralizing power.

>>19261847
I am really losing my patience for decyphering retarded. People will raise more families in a good economy.

>>19261847
>Yeah bro this inbred dickwad is your boss for all eternity now
>Why he and not you? because his surname is better than yours
I absolutely cannot understand why you fucking tradcucks think Feudalism or Monarchy would be a good thing, even with a fucking dictatorship you could atleast say the biggest dick has clawed himself onto the throne but making it a matter of blood is absolutely pants on head retarded.

>>19262384
>>19261865
That is wrong, the governments ability to use force even is a complete lie, they are writing checks their ass can’t pay. The government does not have us imprisoned here, and they stand no chance at keeping us under martial law. I believe the US military themselves has determined that just 20 million revolting americans would defeat them. That is 5% of the country, same amount of this country that fought the british for our independence fun fact.

Even if it isn’t and the emperor actually does have clothes, it would still be worth it to try anarchy. Worst case scenario we just end up back where we started as rightless slaves.

>>19261883
The private sector is absolutely more efficient than the public sector, this is actually why communism doesn’t even work ever no matter how bad you might want it to. The private sector has budget constraints, superior pressure creates a superior product, and it doesn’t try to solve its problems by throwing even more money at it, and more importantly is the impossible task of price accounting of the market which means an inability for communism to even address the needs of the people with all of the means. There are a lot of problems with communism, but this is one you can’t even solve by miraculously mind controlling everyone into perfect willing slaves that will sacrifice themselves however you deem necessary.

>>19262386
Welll ackshually it would be much better to be under monarchy than democracy as far as our health wealth and rights go. There is a little known but easy to understand concept in economics called time preference, basically instant vs delayed gratification. The child has a very low time preference and wants instant gratification, the middle aged person has a very high time preference preferring to save, and the old person reverts back to wanting instant gratification in the time they have left and they spend more money. This is the explanation behind why loans exist and why outlawing usury would be depriving people the right to act according to their preferences, it also takes away peoples ability to capitalize on opportunities if they don’t already have the funds and would make it so only retired people can go to college.

Anyway, this concept also applies to how people behave with something when they are renting vs when they own something, and well in terms of rule the president vs the king is like renter vs owner. The president is not invested in the future of America and Americans, they aren’t his. He just has a temporary lease, and beyond keeping the opportunity to earn a second his priority is to fleece the people and put forth as much policy as he can. The king on the other hand owns the country and the people, and with that comes an implicit agreement about respecting property rights since it is property rights that give him his position over us. The king cannot over tax the people without damaging his own property and future value of his stock and must strive to maintain more economical taxation schemes and so taxes will always be higher in democracy.

>>19262463
Anarchy can save the planet even by solving this time preference problem. As it stands now, governments own natural resources and lease them out to bidders, the leaseholder then has no incentive to protect the resources as opposed to extracting as much as they can in their allotted time, whether it be clear cutting or overfishing. By allowing all the property on earth to be privately claimed including the oceans, which could be done with the same common law system used by the pioneers, we can actually protect the earth since it would just be everyone maintaining the integrity and value of their own property, at the very least this should translate to safe zones for fish to repopulate the oceans in the property of high time preference owners.

Them leftists can’t give a solid plan to actually saving the planet can they, they just seem certain it involves relinquishing our rights somehow.

>>19262463
All that shit just to say monarchy good if the king is good?
Good fucking luck with that.

>>19262495
That isn’t what I said, I said monarchy is flat out better than democracy in all cases. Not that I am a monarchist, I am an anarchist. Monarchy is just better than democracy.

>>19261835
It was about food. Now it's just idiots arguing politics they don't understand.

>>19259380
That has nothing to do with trickle down economics but mass immigration, feminism and other left wing policies completely collapsing the average worker's labour value.

>>19259395
From small and middle sized independent companies that got forcibly shuttered up to the the centralized megacorps who were "too essential" to stop from swooping in to take over and consolidate market share.

He's right, and it isn't even a commie thing, not should it be. The elitists pulled a grand scam on everyone.

HOLY SHIT, SHUT THE FUCK AND TALK ABOUT FOOD YOU BITCHES, CAUSE GODDAMN YOUR POLITICS ARE HORRIBLE.

>>19259511
If you weren't retarded you'd realise that decades of corporate mergers have shrunk the available pool of CEO positions considerably, skyrocketing their value in a supply/demand ecosystem.

>>19259994
This is just flat out false.

You retards are sitting here with a magnifying glass on seven figure CEO salaries like they mean anything when a small group of central bankers directly control trillions. All so you can try and force your outgrown failed little political cult instead of looking forward for humanity.
If fucking only the loudest voices of rebellion weren't brainwashed little commies that function as controllable useful idiots for the global elites. The. Maybe we'd have a chance.

>>19262707
>t. underageb& twitter commie who wants the thread buried after getting btfo'd

>>19261253
>20m divided by 200,000 is 35,000
Is this the power of socialist math?

>>19262386
>making it a matter of blood
That's what a nation is, a matter of blood.

>>19262743
Shut the fuck up, and get your politics our of my food board

>>19258361

I don't disagree with you but purely in the food realm, I would say uber eats and shit like that fucked prices more than anything. Every time a fucking god damn piece of fucking shit moron decided to pay $25 to have a burger delivered, a burger king or a mcdonalds or a etc. saw that and said "why are we charging $7 for a burger meal when literal morons will pay 3 times as much for the same thing?" And then burger king execs come out with their 2 for $30 promo and we think they are the one's who lost their mind.

>>19262844
>Every time a fucking god damn piece of fucking shit moron decided to pay $25 to have a burger delivered, a burger king or a mcdonalds or a etc. saw that and said "why are we charging $7 for a burger meal when literal morons will pay 3 times as much for the same thing?
This is a chicken/egg problem.
What's actually happening here is that people have so much disposable wealth and so little direction in their lives that they don't mind doing stupid shit with the money they didn't earn and don't value.
I mean I'd rather skip a meal than eat at BK or McDickhead's, if I was sitting in the parking lot with coupons, and yet there are people who, given a service where they can have food delivered from any establishment in a 30-mile radius, choose to pay triple the price to eat it.
Then they have the gall to complain because they can't afford a house or because a $15/hour minimum wage is too low.
We need a total economic and social collapse to cull the herd and we need it yesterday.
>inb4 but you'll die too!
I don't even care at this point, dying is a more merciful fate than continuing to exist in this fucked hellscape of degnerate morons.

>>19258306
>McDonalds 2 quarter pounders for $4.89
What the hell? That's less than one quarter pounder costs.

>>19262697

>>19263075
Hey its one of those >wordswordswords memes

>>19258230
dude I can't get burger king sinced the foot lettuce thing. i think of it every single time i think of burger king. any part of me that could possibly have wanted anything from there remembers that.

>>19262738
the global elites can, will, and in fact are currently endeavoring to, set those who have identified the problem of global elites against those who have identified the problem of global elites
there is no victory without reconciliation, and reconciliation is simply impossible
the path is irrevocable; only the scenery may change
I'd say it's been nice knowing you all, but I genuinely hate most of you, as I've been trained to do, for all the reasons that daily arrive fresh by the miracle of packet-switched highly available networks originally designed to withstand the kind of catastrophic devastation that only the pinnacles of humanity could produce
and Jesus wept, for the lies told in his name

fuck you, and good night

>>19260317
I remember when my radical liberal friends were bitching about police action at anti-globalist rallies in Seattle and Berkley. Now their predecessors chant antifa shit while promoting corporate takeover and censorship of anyone who disagrees with sexual fetishes being pushed on everyone. It's really fucking batshit.

>>19263080
the cops and christcucks start shooting everyone.

>>19263729

>>19260417
>>19260317
>neolibs are all leftists

>>19261249
Believe it or not it's a pretty interesting indicator of living costs in economy classes

The justification for goyslop was the cheapness. $10 and a tiny bit of change would get you 10 of those banquet frozen dinners now like $11 will get you about 5 of them. Fuck paying more than a $1 for a banquet meal lol

>>19260417
this is what /pol/ does to the human brain

Man, I miss when I could live a very very comfortable life earning about $2,500 a month. I know everyone has moved onto complaining post covid economy but I'm still bitter over the post 9/11 increases

I feel weird going to Burger King and buying a chicken sandwich instead of a burger. Anyone else like this?

>Commies are fat fucks that need to eat fast food and don't know how to cook
Nice thread

>>19263075
Most people are angry that the immigrant was in the position to do it in the first place, if there was no mass immigration there’d be no immigrants to take it.
>>19263790
Most of the people on this thread, me included, are too young to remember pre-9/11 prices for most things. Hunter S Thompson was right, the latter half of the 20th century was a giant party and the 21st was the hangover.

>>19260928
Not in real terms. It increased nominally, but much slower than inflation, so it decreased in real value.

>>19259068
This. Wings are still ungodly priced where I live despite their actually being a surplus in chickens available now. Anyone who charges more than $1 a wing now should fucking burn

>>19262374
>if the goal is to make us as poor as possible as fast as possible why are they making us poorer using two seperate vectors???
????
>It doesn’t have to be an evil plan by businesses it can just be economic determinism,
those are the same thing.

>>19262391
>That is wrong, the governments ability to use force even is a complete lie, they are writing checks their ass can’t pay.
stop paying taxes right now then nig nog. see how far that gets you.
>>19262391
>tht-the private sector!11119kone
Wants communism retard.
thats how it works, they win, and then they make it illegal not to buy their products.

You cant pretend otherwise. the private sector BOUGHT the world with MONEY
they are the invisible hand that is pushing for socialism.

>>19258361
It didn't help that most conspiratards were focused on muh vaxx or muh mouth muzzles, when the obvious most tangible consequence of the quarentine was this >>19262703
You don't have to be a schizo or a commie to realize how much the lockdown fucked small businesses in the ass and how much it benefited Amazon and the like

>>19265883
It absolutely helps that people were fighting against the vaxx and mask since they were restrictions in general,

>>19263790
>Man, I miss when I could live a very very comfortable life earning about $2,500 a month. I know everyone has moved onto complaining post covid economy but I'm still bitter over the post 9/11 increases
I laugh at all of the poors that can't afford to buy a bucket of KFC for $60.

>>19258361
>Covid was the greatest wealth transfer in human history
Uhh, nah homie that is the collapse of the dollar

>>19258390
Nah there were way more people worth $100 billion before Covid

>>19258361
Nobody was calling you conspiracy nuts for observing, like literally everyone else, that rich people were exploiting the pandemic to get richer. You were being made fun of pretending to ACK!! over wearing a mask for 5 minutes to get groceries.

>>19266484
Cringe NPC

>big mac is now 10$
>over 200 relpies
Burgers on permanent suicide watch

>>19266484
We have reached the point where leftists think everything in the world is a conspiracy except for covid

>>19266528
Yes, over $10 in faggotlands like Canada and the Caribbean.

>obsessed

>>19265615
They are not separate vectors though, the inflation is the rise in prices, what do you think inflation is? Does it not even worry you how stupid you sound?

>>19265619
My point is just that the emperor has no clothes. Not paying taxes is not the nigger thing, government is the nigger robbing you at gun point.

I know that communism is pushed by business interests I have explained so ITT a bit already even. Everyone wants to cheat. The crux of it all is government though. Just get rid of government, and special interests and commies and jews are no longer problems no violence necessary.

What’s your point, because capitalism is the real third alternative, communism and fascism are the same thing.

>>19266627
>jew acts like a jew at last
yeah I figured as much, now that you have no arguement, you are back to felating your dream of owning 100 goyim yourself in your own NAP respected micronation. Protip retard, you are just as much of a goy as anyone else.
>My point is just that the emperor has no clothes
no, your point is that you are felating the concept of government as if they are anything other than the toady of the real power, who very much can and will kill you, not that they need to bother, since their middle managers are just fine otherwise nobody would be paying their IRS bill every year.

>>19266484
Kill yourself jewnigger I almost fell into machinery multiple times being forced to wear your goy muzzles from the CO2 poisoning.

>>19259121
Well god is fucking retarded and satan was right. Humans belong in hell

>>19258230
Take Wendy's
Wendy's is selling Junior Bacon Cheeseburgers for 1 cent to celebrate National Hamburger Month
https://twitter.com/DailyLoud/status/1657131808394207234

>>19266528
Post your axe wound eurohomotranny

>>19258361
I get my posts deleted and even banned over absolutely nothing yet posts like this stay up for days unironically. Where did it all go wrong?

>>19259365
>>19260322
Why are you angry?

>>19258306
>Americans disgruntled with fast-food restaurants.

The struggle is real!

>>19260305
I don't know how you can have this cognitive dissonance where you honestly believe a monopoly can exist and form naturally without government legislation/corruption/control. Monopolies and almost-monopolies are encouraged by the fed system because it's easier to bully a few large corps into doing what you say than a few dozen thousand small companies doing the same thing, however, it's also easier for large corps to bully/bribe the gov into working for it's own interests at the expense of the public.

>>19261413
Wages are not the problem. The problem is there is an excess of jobs which do not produce or spread material wealth, and act more as a drain of resources than a producer of resources. If we had more people growing food, food would be cheaper. If we had more cotton and tailors or industrial machines, clothing and industrial goods would be cheaper. When you have more office workers, you receive more.... Paperwork? There's plenty of jobs that are of low value, and yet overvalued due to the vital and sometimes not so vital aid to capitalist centralization they provide. There's whole pseudo-industries that did not exist at all during the industrial revolution. Insurance, for example. Something that, in many cases, you're legally forced to pay for.

Also, having a monopoly on their field is the end goal for every capitalist enterprise, because then they can force you to pay whatever they want. Capitalism does not always give you more freedom of choice. If you cannot afford the choices, the choice does not exist at all, thus you are in actual fact a member of a tiered society, not a free citizen. Choices are privileges, not rights, and capitalism does not discriminate between an illegal, legal, ethical, or unethical dollar. It's only law and goal is whoever makes the most money wins, the model of capitalism being a universally uplifting or freedom and rights-respecting model is so thoroughly debunked just by paying attention and asking the people around you how they survive. Medieval peasants had better diets than modern first-world citizens, and there's several statistics of communities in europe, africa, and asia of average height going down once communal village systems were disbanded and capitalism installed.

>>19258306
Is this pasta or the actual state of slopzoomers today?

>now 15$ for 1 mlbog mac
>over 200 replies
Bugers on permanent suicide watch

>>19266533
We have reached the point where rightwingers think every developed nation on earth one day decided to coordinate the biggest lie in history, that they've successfully perpetued for over 3 years now to...make people sit at home a few months, then get a vaccine? When basically everyone already gets around 10 vaccinations in their first 15 months.

>>19266799
What makes me a jew, not wanting to be stolen from at gun point for an inefficient and wasteful community fund? You got me completely backwards, I am not a hard worker or a trust fund kid that wants to protect my wealth from the less fortunate, I am a poor person who wants to live the happy go lucky work part time and live simply lifestyle that is only possible under unadulterated capitalism.


>>19267649
I have always been naturally inclined to freedom, been capable of using logic, and recognizing when something is arbitrary, so it is big mystery to me why people become leftists in general but I can forgive them for not understanding that monopoly isn’t possible in a free market. I was basically a libertarian before I even understood that, I just believed in the sanctity of competition and if it did end in monopolies it must be for the better, but yes monopoly is in fact not possible without government granted privileges. Mind you if industries do tend to monopolize it is absolutely still preferable to centralization since it would be better to have 2 monopolies than 1.

>>19268544
>>19267677
There are a lot of problems, wage laws are one of them. One wonders if you are going to bother with a minimum wage why not just go all the way and set prices, and as I have explained minimum wage has an ugly history of being pushed by unions to cut out black business that was undercutting them. A union hardly differs from a monopoly if you think about it, it is a workers cartel. Make work is hardly a concern bud, go back 100,000 years and you can find humans doing highly economic activity for the time period that would be considered waste today. Or even just 150 years back to the days of candlemakers. The market has every ability to correct for useless work, and communism is absolutely not going to have an efficiency edge over a free market.

I’m sure everyone wants to charge others anything they want for a product or service only they can provide, the idea is to get rid of government so nobody can.
>Capitalism does not always give you more freedom of choice.
I see what you are saying but I have to disagree, capitalism will always give you MORE freedom of choice. You might not have all the choices, but it is better than no choice at all and complete slavery. You realize that is what you want right? You want to be a well taken care of slave. Also capitalism has solved this problem it is called loans.
>It's only law and goal is whoever makes the most money wins
To the libertarian this is a good thing and the beauty of capitalism, the winner is whoever meets the needs of the people most efficiently. I can cite Heinz which took over the market by selling prepackaged food without sawdust before any regulation demanded it.

>>19268553
>the model of capitalism being a universally uplifting or freedom and rights-respecting model is so thoroughly debunked just by paying attention and asking the people around you how they survive
Not surviving doesn’t debunk that it is a free society for starters those are opposite and opposing values (safety vs freedom) for which you must give up a degree of one for a degree of the other. Pretty much all politics comes down to this debate between safety and freedom with most people not falling all the way to either side. Surviving is not your highest value either, if health was the only concern of everybody then there would only be 3 industries, gyms, organic farms and healthcare, and everybody would spend their days filtering between healthy eating exercise and doctors visits. And nobody would smoke cigarettes. Most importantly, we don’t live under free market capitalism, capitalism is the untried ideal.
>Medieval peasants had better diets than modern first-world citizens, and there's several statistics of communities in europe, africa, and asia of average height going down once communal village systems were disbanded and capitalism installed.
Lol, besides this idea that capitalism is just a brief tarnish on humanities otherwise spotless record of communism, this is anti-marxist in the sense that you are rejecting communism as the end of history. Marx also literally identified this “peasants never starved” argument as a tell for fake socialist movements lead by feudalists trying to restore the old hierarchy lmao.

>>19268558
>>19268127
>if everyone says something it can’t be wrong
Try going a day without defending yourself with logical fallacies, just once it will be fun.

>>19264123
>>19262697
I suppose I should be fair here and defend immigration. For starters I will debunk needing to even fear immigrants to the first world since more economic development is by necessity less economic opportunity so in a world that isn’t all topsy turvy like ours immigration would be a 1 ways street out of the first world. Marx was anti immigration, in the sense that he was anti emigration, believing that the person who leaves the country is a rebel and traitor and can only be allowed to do so naked after having given up all their belongings to the commune. As an anarchist obviously I believe in open borders as it is peoples right to move where they please.
>>19263083
It would be nice if the words meant something and weren’t just bullshit to outrage you.

>>19268562
Oh I could have expounded on the ingenious of open borders. We could theoretically end government world wide peacefully with open borders, borders and the monopolization of their population is the absolute crux of government. A dissolution of borders for private citizens would result in a sort of free market for the industry of government, they would only be able to tax you so much before you decide to hop the border and offer your economic activity to the government that will tax you less. It is for this reason that state income tax in the US can never reach the heights of federal income tax, people would just hop states. By bringing real market competition to the worlds governments we would see them all slowly dissolve as the useless and inefficient organs of society they are.

Otherwise government could be overthrown the same way it was the first time, a rapid evolution of private economic activity that explodes beyond the reach of governments and forces them to adapt, like the industrial revolution. I do not call for any sort of violence or revolution, it would not be libertarianism if it came out of that.

Fast food has literally been doubling in price every year for the past 3 years. Shit is fucked. Burger King was always the "horrible slop but it's basically free" option but now it's just as expensive if not more so than the other fast food places except it's still horrible slop. Eating at a restaurant is legitimately as cheap if not cheaper as eating out at a fast food restaurant these days.

>>19262876
No, it's: given they will never ever own a home since they cost 10x what they should, they now have 1/2 a house worth of 'disposable' income.
Most of the people ordering food are just absolute retards though which is a given since they can't cook but also because they are definitely poor.

Anyway you are years late to argue about retarded politics.
The vaxxed will all die,
And you'll be happy.

>>19268690
Prices are not set at what people are willing to pay that it is not how it works at all. The prices are as low as they can go.

>>19260892

Big Macs were never $0.50 each.

>>19261253

Indeed. Any business which grows beyond the level of a "family business" should automatically become a worker-owned cooperative.

Amazon isn't a multi-bazillion dollar company because of Jeff Bezos, it got that huge because of the 1.5+ million employees generating all that wealth, yet they only get a microscopic fraction of it.

>>19268755
>Any business which grows beyond the level of a "family business" should automatically become a worker-owned cooperative.
If you did this everything would just revert back to how they are. It isn’t something that is difficult to accomplish either.

Just make every company public, then distribute the stock of the company among the workers. Of course it wouldn’t be fair to spread it equally among the guy who has been there 20 years and the guy who came on last week, not to mention retirees of the company should be entitled to their share of the company too, but I digress. So you give the stock of a company to the workers of the company. What happens then? They eventually sell their stock of course and eventually you have to redistribute the wealth all over again.

Bezos did not exploit his workers whatsoever, he gave them the opportunity to make money. Not exactly a huge fan of bezos, since he makes a lot of tax money. Libertarian class theory, from which Marx actually plagiarized his own class theory right down to the line “history hitherto has been a struggle between…”, claimed that class struggle was between net tax payers and net tax consumers. Elon musk and jeff bezos represent the tax consumer class.

>>19259465
you need to go back

>>19259994
yes and no.
South Korea lifted a larger percentage of thir population OUT OF poverty.
Soviet/china lifted theirs into lesser degrees of poverty.

>>19259994
>line go up is communism
fucking kill yourself

>>19268544
>What makes me a jew, not wanting to be stolen from at gun point for an inefficient and wasteful community fund?
the fact that you are covering for jews by insisting that yes for realsies this time, we promise after we get rich by outcompeting all you goyim in a reset we wont make a government enslave you all with wasteful and inefficient community funds
real capitalism has been tried.
it always leads to this shit.

>>19269073
Real capitalism has not been tried if there are taxes and government and especially real capitalism has never been tried if there is a central bank.

You really think the jews will out compete you in a fair system with no handicaps? Then what was all the master race stuff even about? Even if they do it is not as simple as run the market and establish a government, a government cannot establish or maintain its existence by force alone.

>>19269093
>real capitalism has never been tried if there is a central bank.
lolol "lets all go back to the times when rich business owners called themselves kings and literally owned every single asset in the land. SURELY nothing bad will happen so long as we submit to our betters' wills"

what a joke

>>19269093
>real capitalism hasn't been tried
This is why its easier just to shoot everyone who thinks they are a capitalist and claims to hate commies.
theyre all the same commie in the end. They have the 'ism.

>>19269097
Man I have already said ITT that I would be much happier under monarchy. It wouldn’t be perfect but it would be better than anything other than anarchy. Please see >>19262463 >>19262468

>>19269105
Piss off fascist, you are only slightly smarter than the other commies

>>19269107
well congradulations, your capitalist kind spend the last 200 years killing public monarchs and now you live in private monarchys masquerading as democracies, only you are too stupid to realize its that way by design, and your system of reform is just going to loop right back into what we have now.

>>19269111
I am a feudalist.
belief in a system of fairness outside of a dynasty is literally superstition.

>>19269107
you're delusional then. you literally think living under the whims of some mortal god will make life better.
I bet you're the type who prefers it if your bf/gf does all the thinking for you. but the king will never be your loyal bf or gf. Instead you're just rolling the dice that some rando will have the self control to run a complicated nation like they all are in the 21st century

you are unironically a child insisting that the world needs to dumb itself down and do away with complicated things because you just cant see how the complicated things could possibly work.

>>19269118
Because nothing guarantees good governance like inbreeding.

>>19269118
The only thing you are is underage.

>>19269126
and handing all political authority to ONE individual.
friendly reminder, the era of kings was called the dark ages after the collapse of the Roman empire.
Your mortal gods literally ran their kingdoms by forcing people to live, marry and die in their one pissant town or else the local lord will confiscate their property for not "caring for it as required"
the festivals and fairs were required to keep the populace busy and entertained enough to comply with the lords' wishes that nobody every leave their assigned property for "too long"

>>19269150
>retard doesn't understand how logistics worked in the dark ages the post
>>19269126
inbreeding is now the much safer choice compared to race mixing by far.
>>19269136
I've been shit posting on this website for longer than you've been allowed to swear schlomo.

>>19269112
>private monarchy
Uhh that is what all monarchies are?

>>19269118
The other night I had a dream or an idea I can’t remember about a prosperous capitalist society that was technically a monarchy but the bloodline had become so inbred and incompetent that it literally could not put forth policy or collect taxes. The retard king was protected from court intrigue by some sort of libertarian religious cult praetorian guard ninjas who maintained the property rights of the king and thus maintained them as a figure head keeping society without policy. The kingdom could even have been taken over by neighbors during the reign of the retard dynasty but every invasion failed thanks to their being no real government to force into submission and invading was the kingdom was the historically impossible task of bringing martial law to a foreign peoples. The cult would merely remove the king and reinstate him as soon as the invasion failed. Maybe the bloodline is failing to reproduce at this point because of the extent of the inbreeding and the cult is grappling with the impossibility of maintaining things without breaking their oaths of noncoercion but the young and ambitious mc convinces them to just go public with the emperor having no clothes and everybody accepts that they don’t need a king and life lives happily ever after. If that was an anime or something I’d watch the shit out of it.

>>19269122
you already live in a monarchy, you just aren't allowed to know who the king is.

>>19269168
its simple, and I note you just insult without providing even the most pissant of counter point.
king owns everything, but lords are tasked with managing specific districts. lords dole out land to families and token "exceptional" individuals. these people are expected to care for the land and see to it that it produces enough to cover yearly rent AKA taxes.
if you, the land owners leaves your land to visit your cousin in the next town. you better have someone manage it while your gone or its not a growing season when direct management is necessary.
otherwise the crown can have your land confiscated and gifted to someone "more responsible"

you do understand that you have to be 18 to post here and crying "wrong" isnt a counter point.

>>19269177
nah, ever business owner is allowed to think of themselves as king of the land. this is why businesses are so willing to make sure they dont infring on each others's profit margins.
the only real competition occurs between big businesses and small businesses. big corpos dont compete with each other. they just match prices and ignore the rest.

>>19269122
There is no difference between a king and a president besides that the presidents economic best interest is not the peoples economic best interest while the kings is.

>>19269187
>big corpos dont compete with each other. they just match prices and ignore the rest.
All it takes is one member of a cartel to cheat and it all falls apart, and considering the motivation behind forming a cartel in the first place.. there is probably going to be a cheater.

>>19269150
So true. That's why we need to let little Timmy abandon the family farm and go to hollywood and spiral into doing drag because his retarded dream was never viable
The majority of people don't just deserve control, they actually outright require it to live

>>19269189
That is moronic, anon. You're better than that.

>>19269201
Well, I have done what I can to convince you, here is 300 pages on the subject.

>>19267530
just feel good knowing every post you make angers the janny you have wronged with your evil opinion

>>19269193
I'm not understanding the point you're trying to make.
are you suggesting that some cartel will come into america just to undercut the prices of... idk walmart or some other shitty giantcorp brand? and that this is inevitable?

like bro, how do you think wallmart got to where it is now? they undercut the competition, even allowing specific stores to operate at a loss just so they can drive competition out.

this is 1990s info. old news.

>>19269195
>the family farm
aint no such thing as that anymore. you should have tried to stop agricultural copros from merging in the 90s if you want to pretend you give a shit about "family farms"

>>19269223
You said the corpos work together to not compete for prices that is literally called a cartel. Walmart can drive others out of the market by selling at a loss yeah, forever. They would never ever be able to cash in on such a thing, so it is essentially charity. The second they try to raise prices the competition comes back.

>>19269177
>>19269176
>>19269126
>>19269136
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>>19269234
Based

>>19269233
>work together
incorrect
no working together or cooperation is necessary for one gas station owner to look across the street, see that the Mobil there upped prices and decide they should up prices to to match it. Both companies benefit, without having to compete, while the consumer continues to float bigger and bigger profit margins because both gas stations in the region merely price match instead of compete.

>>19269234
>I do not understand our government so the president MUST = King
look, the kid thinks that if there must always be a king HE should be king. look at him and laugh.

>>19269248
The opposite happens, the gas station owner lowers his prices and the customers all come to him and he makes a killing, so the mobil station lowers to compete and so forth until the profit margins have been squashed thin and then it just comes down to better management and marketing. Competition lowers prices.

>>19269249
The president is a king like the renter is a homeowner. Both residences but only one is cared for by the one residing there.

>>19269255
>its the opposite, cause I said so
I've worked at a gas station kid. bossman literally says "da mobil up da road set it to 4.23 per gallon. get up there and set it to the same." sometimes he went down by one or two cent. but people need gas, its not an option to simply "drive around and pick the best price" you're literally burning the resource you're trying to buy looking for a better price

maybe try this argument again when you pass an economics course.

>>19269255
>and then it just comes down to who can cut the most services and afford to take the loss the longest

>>19269260
now that's a dishonest comparison and you know it. home owner can literally have all the skills he or she needs to do repairs on their own. kings never run a country on their own. and presidents Preside over a country. Kings Rule over a country. its right there in the language even

>>19269262
>business don’t compete for low prices, take an economics class
Mmmk

>>19269264
Well the bigger companies also have forms of overhead that small companies don’t. Bigger and bigger isn’t necessary optimal for a business either, there is a lot of thought about optimal business sizes. You literally cannot force people out of the market and then raise prices, it is not even a zero sum game it would actually just be a loss to try.

>>19269266
It is a fantastic comparison. The presidents economic interest is to fleece the people as much as he can until his lease is up. The king needs to invest in the people for his future and his trust for his kids.

>>19269266
actually to expand on this point, you could make a better argument that Presidents are just more honest version of Kings
Kings never actually rule directly. They assign people to manage affairs anywhere else in the nation that is not comfortable travel distance from the capital and the designated Important Port City..... Just like Presidents do. Presidents dont rule either, but they dont claim to rule directly at all to begin with.

Presidents are just Kings with more honesty about their role in governance.

>>19269282
all very vague wishy washy nonsense that doesnt prove how a president in actuality has the same authority as a king. merely how you see the roles as "similar in my mind"

>>19269284
You literally don’t even know what you saying right now, the king doesn’t rule directly because he has civil servants but the president does rule directly despite having civil servants? The president actually has a ton of power, even before modern presidential power ranaway from what it was supposed to be.

>>19258230
Joe Biden will answer for this.

>>19269274
>more "its this way cause I said so."
grow up kid. if real life experience flies in the face of what you 'say' then it makes what you say wrong. get over the fact that you are wrong.
we live in a captured economy where a dozen businesses keep matching prices and prices continue to march upward because they dont HAVE to compete. just match the price.


literally telling everyone to ignore the prices at the store cause "the economy wont let that be". yeah, lets just ignore the evidence of our eyes. clearly my eyes are the problem.

>>19269292
you're the dipshit who insists that a king would be better than a president and that a king would magically answer more directly to his/her people than a president.

>>19269286
Read book >>19269205. There are much smarter libertarians than me. Everyone should read up on all these different political systems if they want to be political.. I have read das kapital and numerous other communist texts.

>He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stewart Mill

>>19269303
>is anecdotal evidence useful? One man says yes.

And if any one of those businesses decided to undercut the competition which they could do easily according to you they would dominate the market. You should be ecstatic that you have discovered this inefficient economic activity, you can now enter the market with a huge angle congrats.

>>19269311
>libertarians
lolol 2020 proved that shit wrong. what were big business owners going to do? be the first one to close doors and set their business up for pick-up orders only if they can? Take the hit on their own dime to let sick employees stay home? of course government had to step in and make sure they had some safety margin to work with. it was done poorly but it was still necessary

>in the year of our lord 2023
>thinking dumbass randos will do "the right thing for everyone" with zero further prompting.
you might as well be advertising that you're a cultist seeking donations. maybe if you suck Ayn Rand's dick more, you'll get the chance to be in charge next?

>>19269327
>covid
Government problem. You never even would have heard of that boring flu without government.

>>19269274
>You literally cannot force people out of the market and then raise prices.
Sure you can, you just lobby for "stability" (read higher entry requirements), lean on the zoning board (unhappy major employer) and make banks risk averse.

Competition is for suckers, corporatocracy is the way.

>>19269345
Yeah which is why I have tried to explain that government is at the heart of all bad business.

By the way ayn rand was not an anarchist and I haven’t read her yet. I have no expectations for anyones behavior except for them to behave in their best interest and my politics are about channeling that for good by removing the ability to cheat with government. This is really what makes libertarianism so superior and hints at its supreme functionality over the other bullshit, there is no social engineering necessary unlike every other system.

>>19269334
I mean I guess dying in ignorance is a option.

>>19269366
99.9% survival rate retard, whatever retards went to the doctor with it would be told they have this new cold going around but don’t worry it is nothing.

>>19269373
For healthy people.
But I've no problem with it, it's only dangerous to old people, fat fucks and smokers so a net gain for society and politics.

>>19269413
For everyone. The people with a higher health risk don’t bring it down overall because it is a nothingburger, just as well I think libertarian society would fare better in a real pandemic, herd immunity after all. We are truly blessed that freedom is the most desirable way to live and the secret sauce to just about everything.

>>19269459
>>19269462
Nobody is doubting that things are getting worse, but really this is just the hell that your good intentions pave the road to. Unions make the problem worse.

>>19269463
>tax all these more
>suddenly no doctors, industrialists offering cheap goods and services, or tv

>>19269463
Also bezos pays no taxes, he consumes more tax dollars than he pays. Thinking jeff bezos pays taxes is like thinking the president pays taxes.

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>>19269480
Yeah, now just imagine if it is because of you and your beliefs. As I said ITT already this is the natural result of social democracy.

>>19269472
>tax all these more
No, just tax them, period.
No more billion dollar tax credits for buying ingredient from your postbox daughter company at a loss.

>>19269492
Don’t tax them period. Any higher rate of taxation is only going to serve to reduce the amount of any of these things, you reduce doctors pay it no longer attracts exactly as many doctors even if you only raise their taxes an iota. Same for amazon and tv and anything. Taxes only serve to increase the cost to the consumer and beyond that they are just plain theft.

>>19269499
Socialized healthcare is objectively awful in comparison but ok

>>19269503
And both boomers and millennials are the same retarded hippies making this situation, besides the fact that this is the natural result of a process that began in 1913 with the establishment of the fed.

>>19269506
Go back innawoods.

>>19269510
Not an argument.

>>19269503
>Also Millenials: we need to spend more tax on immigrants

>>19269518
Border cops and fences aren't free.

>>19269515
I wouldn't wanna make you argue over tax funded communist cables.

>>19269234
-ACK

>>19269509
It operates quite well when it's not used as a trash can by the privatized sector.

>>19269619
No it is garbage because government can never compete with the private sector, even if they threw all money in the world at it and made it greater than anything capitalism could do it would still be costing all the money in the world.

As I already explained, healthcare is not the only value we have and it does not warrant unlimited funds. If all we cared about was healthcare there would only be gyms, hospitals, and organic farms and we would do nothing but filter between them, and just as well unhealthy habits in general prove life extension is not the primary value of anyone.

>>19269632
>hospital takes a 20k bribe to murder an innocent man for covid propaganda
Government is truly the most evil thing that ever existed

>>19258390
When covid began it was 2020, now it's 2023. Covid literally caused 3 years to happen.

>>19268553
You make the fallacy that capitalism/capitalists will always look out for the common good, or that exploitation does not exist under capitalism, which is clearly observable in the world if you've ever worked more than two jobs.
>it is better than no choice at all and complete slavery. You realize that is what you want right? You want to be a well taken care of slave
Explain to me how a man who cannot afford both housing and food and yet still works is any different from a slave. The reality is that unless you have a certain level of wealth and are unbeholden to anyone for your income you are de facto a slave. Owning means of production, being independent, and having sufficient capital(regardless of the form it takes, industrial machinery, land, animals, crops etc) is a requirement for non-slavery. If you simp for capitalism without all of these things you're simply a slave with delusions of independence. You make the argument that a poor homeless man under capitalism is more free than a man earning a living wage under any non-capitalist economy. That's simply ridiculous.
Furthermore, you've put words in my mouth and saying that I'm arguing for things I'm not arguing for. I'm not making an argument for anything, I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws in your presumptions and method of thinking.

>>19269681
>You make the fallacy that capitalism/capitalists will always look out for the common good,
To be fair what I care about first and foremost is rights and individual freedom, it is merely a happy coincidence that that is a boon to the economy and our prosperity.
>or that exploitation does not exist under capitalism
Exploitation does not exist under capitalism. The equivalent of calling me a child does not prove that. The absence of the capitalist is not an absence of exploitation but an absence of opportunity.
>Explain to me how a man who cannot afford both housing and food and yet still works is any different from a slave.
Well he could be retarded, he could have no arms, there are a lot of reasons a working man wouldn’t be able to provide for themselves, I suppose being a formal slave is one, of course none of us are formal slaves. While we are on this topic why don’t you explain to me how income tax isn’t slavery, if the government can take some they can take it all, ergo income tax is really the nationalization of income and what you make is merely what the government decides to let you keep. Don’t even get me started on conscription. I can also blame government for all homelessness, if it weren’t for government regulating construction and laws for landlords there would be something for every budget. But what about the retard or the cripple you might ask, well charity is not something that is absent in capitalism for starters, but also the most economically efficient system will be the most technologically advancing system and will sooner free humanity of these unfortunate realities.

The requirement for nonslavery is freedom, not safety, freedom and safety are polar opposites and the idea that we require a freedom from scarcity is completely disingenuous as well as a retarded pipedream that goes against the laws of physics.

I don’t put words in your mouth, you don’t know what you are saying.

>>19268808
>So you give the stock of a company to the workers of the company. What happens then? They eventually sell their stock

That's not how a worker owned cooperative functions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative

>>19269633
Funny how socialized healthcare work in every other first world nation with lower per capita cost and complication rate.

Private is fine for titjobs, lipo and dick-baloons, maybe even shop around for easy transplant cases where "long-term care" is limited to ointments for scars and perception renewals.

>>19269777
So what you are calling for the abolition of stock markets and publicly traded companies? Any prohibition just creates a black market you know. Then I guess the question is why, do you not trust people to be able to sell what they own and make their own economic decisions? Because really it is the collective that shouldn’t be trusted with the economic decisions.

And what exactly makes this different from any other capitalist exploitation, is it just the supposed fairness of the earnings? That is an incredibly arbitrary definition of exploitation.

>>19269787
BS, my cousins in sweden say it is crap and I have heard stories like people dying of stomach cancer after waiting in line for 6 months to be given tums. The rich come here for our healthcare because it is the best. I have explained many times why government cannot compete with the private sector in any industry including healthcare.

>>19269787
Or honestly just go observe the difference between a free clinic here in the states and a hospital and see the difference between the socialist and capitalist experience.

>>19269472
>>tax all these more
>>suddenly no doctors, industrialists offering cheap goods and services, or tv

Yes, because if Bezos only made $1000 per second, would have instead got a gig flipping burgers...

But the answer isn't giving the government more money, as government is notoriously wasteful and inefficient and shouldn't be empowered further, what's needed is to put more money in the pockets of workers and the best way to do that, is thru worker owned cooperatives.

>>19269858
Can we stop calling them workers? I hate this bullshit, the goal of life is to work least of all that is not what we are, we are consumers. The best way to put more money in the pockets of consumers is simply to just stop taking it out of them, all taxes just come down to the buyer not the seller.

And yes, if you reduced bezos earnings you would reduce the incentive to be bezos and we would have less employers. You are talking about an adjustment across the board here right and not some arbitrary and unconstitutional attack on one man? What about all the people between bezos in the worker in income, you have reduced all of their incentive and their numbers as well, and where do they go, why they become workers of course and now there are that many more workers to redistribute wealth to wash rinse repeat.

>>19269813

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-voting_stock

>>19269893
Okay, well how about this one, why do we need to force companies to be worker coops when we can just have the choice of both. You don’t want to be exploited you don’t have to, sound good? I’ll have to get back to you on the functionality of coops, and I’ll leave you with the fact that any prohibition increases crime.

>>19269886
>And yes, if you reduced bezos earnings you would reduce the incentive to be bezos and we would have less employers.

No he wouldn't, he still be making _only_ $1000 per second, not quitting the entire endeavor and getting some shitty wagie gig.

>>19269904
>why do we need to force companies to be worker coops when we can just have the choice of both

Because humans are greedy fucks and mega-rich corporations bribe government officials into putting up roadblocks towards worker owned cooperatives.

>>19269462
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>>19269858
>taxing the fake monopoly money capital of the rich will allow us to rebuild a strong society
I'm still on board for taxing the rich, I just want you to understand that your leftist utopia will never happen and the poor will never have it any easier

>>19269910
The idea I am explaining is not very hard to understand. By reducing incentive to do something you necessarily reduce the amount of people who will accept the transaction cost of doing something IE less people willing to put in the work towards it and therefore less of it.

>>19269913
So get rid of the government so there is nobody to bribe

>>19269913
Posted too fast.. then got 15 minute block

That is the thing btw, you can live in a commune in a libertarian society, why must you drag everyone else down with you

>>19269916
The poor can have it easier, in the promise land of capitalism. That is what I fight for, the poor. Believe it or not. It is my personal dream to be a lazy man who works as little as he can, so I fight for the world where that is possible, anarcho-capitalism, and I fight against the world that will consider me working any less hours than the next man to be stealing from the commune. The only reason this sounds so backwards to you is because of how pervasive their propaganda is and nobody alive today remembers a real economy.

>>19269920
>less people willing to put in the work towards it and therefore less of it.

You're only changing the amount of profits, not removing the incentive to make a profit.

In an alternate timeline with worker owned cooperatives, Bezos would have still founded Amazon and still make fuck loads of money himself, but at X point in the business when it reaches economic "critical mass", it converts to a worker owned cooperative and Bezos either cashes out for a substantial amount of money or stays on for a still substantial wage, as a fellow worker-owner.

He's not going to abandon the idea for Amazon and work a wagie shit job out of spite.

>>19269916
>I'm still on board for taxing the rich,

Now you're just giving the money to rich government apparatchiks instead of Wall Street fat cats, in both cases the actual workers don't get shit.

Though I'm also all for unions.

>>19269920
>So get rid of the government so there is nobody to bribe

You can't "get rid of gubment!" it's a necessary part of human society but YOUR money is best in YOUR pocket. A higher standard of living for all reduces the need for excessive government.

>>19269954
>commune in a libertarian society,

So you didn't even bother reading the Wiki link...

>>19267821
I've been using fast food as an easy way to bulk recently; keep it simple with just the burgers and occasionally nuggies. Fries and soda are to be avoided at all costs however

>>19269916
>utopia will never happen
Think again doomer

>>19270385
>unknown breakthroughs
>le hyperintelligence can do le anything
>le hyperintelligence wants utopia
cope + seethe you idiot

>>19267542
Because he is unironically posted the most retarded twitter screencaps and should kill himself so he's not polluting society with his lack of a brain.

>>19269824
>BS, my cousins in sweden say it is crap and I have heard stories like people dying of stomach cancer after waiting in line for 6 months to be given tums
sure go ahead, post them swedish articles about these events happening. I definitely believe you.

>>19266539
The faggotlands is what Im gonna call your small intestine when im done drilling it all the way through with my fucking huge cock

>>19269787
>say it is crap
Complaining is the scandinavian national sport, imagine minnesoats turned to 11.
>Lotto millionaire:
"Can't complain, should patch a few holes in the roof"
>Survied five care pile-up:
"I just vaccumed under the mats".

>I have heard stories like...
really? stories?
What you mean is dying of stomach cancer after eating anti-acids and aspirin for a decade because it was a choice between getting a checkup or missing a car payment.

>>19269835
That's just you folks being incompetent and corrupt.
A underfunded and understaffed service forces to mop up the dregs of patient bucket dumped on them bu the private sector.

>>19269633
Biggest shallow take i ever see

>>19269472
>suddenly no doctors, industrialists offering cheap goods and services, or tv
If your business cant survive without cheap money or taking advantage of misclassifying labor, your business shouldn't be allowed to exist