/ck/ - Food & Cooking

can you make a thread without trying to bait an argument?

OP here, forgot to leave my answer - it taste like when my wife’s bull sprays hot cum and glazes my tongue and throat

>>18907318
FAT

fungy fresch

>>18907318
savoury/meaty

I can't explain the other ones, either, without using examples.
>bitter tastes like citrus pith
>sour tastes like vinegar
>sweet tastes like sugar
>salty tastes like fucking salt
>umami tastes like the scraped up or deglazed fond after I cook a steak

>>18907347
The funny thing is people have used savory as a description for centuries but leave it to retards to be assblasted about it under a different name.

>>18907318
Can you explain any of those flavors without just giving examples? No? Didn't think so.

>>18907318
like your tongue is coated in non flavored butter

>>18907357
Umami defenders will come down on you for saying it's the same as savory. I've seen MSG, fish sauce, miso, and some soy described as umami. I also think it's just a gatekeeping term for foods that are savory, fatty, and salty.

sweet and sour chicken
(has all elements of salty, sour, sweet, and can be spicy if you want)

tonkotsu ramen is umami

eggs are umami

sesame oil is definition of savory
it's not salty, sweet, sour, bitter, or spicy

tomato sauce is umami, you wouldn't eat it and describe it any other way, and this tomato soup is too

lentil soup also umami

curry totally umami, if you don't make it too spicy

>>18907318
>Can you explain what the umami flavor is without sounding like you are just describing any other type of flavor?
The umami flavor is best described as being very similar to monosodium glutamate.

it's basically everything

>>18907510
In all seriousness, umami is described as many things, but it's probably closest to being a "protein" flavor.

>>18907490
those are highly umami and msg is chemists' refining a substance that lights up those tastebuds the most

>>18907512
Does the human contain glutamate or inosinate?
It seems to be the only protein source in the image without a helpful chart next to it.

>>18907490
>umami defenders will come down on you for saying it's the same as savory
Because the two words aren't interchangeable. Yes, there's a good chance that if you give an example of what you think the most "savory" food you can think is it's likely going to also be umami, but for the most part "savory" is just used to describe foods that aren't sweet.

>>18907534

>>18907490
yeah, I don't understand listing a bunch of salty items as "umami", but now I correlate umami with "salty and savory"

>>18907328
now THIS is podracing!

>>18907556
>yeah, I don't understand listing a bunch of salty items as "umami", but now I correlate umami with "salty and savory"
The trick is to put a dash or two of MSG on your food either almost immediately before serving it, or in a liquid (preferably water based) while cooking it. I sometimes add a packet of sucralose to give it that extra je ne sais quoi (sugar taste). Don't add any salt and just put a salt shaker on the table.
Perfection.

>>18907579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DwlpupYUwM

>>18907318
I want to cum on that
>>18907328
hot

>>18907579
Nah, I layer my salt when cooking. A little bit of sugar to stuff is definitely a secret. It makes it easier to taste 'the other flavors' for sure.

>>18907318
Y

It's an onomatopoeia. Because when I bite into a food full of umami flavor I say "Oooh mammy!"

>>18907514
>a "protein" flavor
So >>18907348 is right?

>>18907318
its when everything comes together in that single bite where its perfect
>the texture of the food
>the way it breaks apart
>does it work well with the other ingredients

>>18907318
It's the taste of protein.

Literally breast milk.

>>18907661
yep.

>>18907512
G L U E

>>18907853
its literally glutamate you gorilla nigger

>>18907550
>but for the most part "savory" is just used to describe foods that aren't sweet.
no...?

>>18908515
...yes.

It's a retard word for savory. It's exactly the same thing and only retards think otherwise

>>18907348
>>18907357
>>18907490
>>18907510
>>18907514
>>18907550
>>18907556
>>18908573
isn't umami literally just Japanese for "savory"?

>>18908608
No. It's the name of a specific taste. Savory does not designate a specific taste.

Can you explain what a pineapple tastes like without making it sound like another fruit?

Unami is a cloy taste that sits between fatty and salty.
Anything that's fatty and salty but not unami tastes really odd, it's got the fatiness of meat but without the flavour of meat. All kinds of goyslop made with vegetable oil and salt falls into this category, as do protien rich vegetable dishes.

>>18908608
Savory is just the closest Western translation of Unami, the two are seperate in the Japanese language

>>18908610
yes it does you fucking retard

>>18908610
Yes it does. Fucking weebshit trash

>>18907318
Basically its the flavor of various glutamic compounds. Things like cooked meat, mushrooms, aged cheeses, and seaweed are all high in these compounds, but they're present to some degree in a variety of foods.

>>18908657
That's interesting actually- what's the difference between savory and umami in Japanese?

>>18909481
>what's the difference between savory and umami in Japanese?
An air of pretension.

>>18908701
>>18908750
>savory
>having a spicy or salty quality without being sweet
>"They prepared an assortment of both sweet and savory foods."

>>18909614
yes you spastic, the reason they are called savoury is because they share similar qualities, every single savoury food has a taste to it that is defined, the nips call it umami and in fucking English it's been defined as Savoury

>>18907318
Umami is just weeb speak for what we call Savoury, best described as what is common between Meat, Cheese and Bread

>>18909659
Just because you don't like the word "umami" doesn't magically retroactively change the meaning of "savory" to fit the same definition.

>>18909668

>>18909659
Before anyone even discovered msg "savoury" was used as a general category of food. When "umami" was coined people translated it into "savoury". "Savoury" now has two meanings, the general category and the translation of that specific thing for people who are scared of loan words.

>>18909685
bitch my language is almost entirely made out of "loan" words, the reason I use the term Savoury as a translation for Umami, is because it is a sensible translation
there is no reason for the English language to add another word in this case, because every single bit of food that we describe as being Savoury, are foods that the Japanese would describe as having some sort of Umami flavour

>>18909695
>because every single bit of food that we describe as being Savoury, are foods that the Japanese would describe as having some sort of Umami flavour
And every one of those foods could also being described as having some sort of salty flavor, which is why "savory" is not interchangeable with "umami".

>>18909703
>some sort of salty flavor
Bread is considered Savoury, I would argue that it is both Savoury and Sweet in its flavouring and is not Salty by itself
Most meat and fish are not inherently salty, sure things like bacon and gammon are heavily salted prior to being sold, but most meat and fish need you to add salt to them prior to cooking.
And some cheeses are not salty at all, although your ameritard palette may not be up to scratch on actual Cheese

>>18909685
>"Savoury" now has two meanings
Three meanings, pic and wiki related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satureja_hortensis

It's literally savoury, hipster faggots use the word umami to try to sound unique and cultured.
They're not.
Anyone using the word umami as a catchphrase term for what is literally just savoury are red flags desu

The sensation of your glutamate-detecting tastebuds being stimulated

>>18909819
theyre separate, wouldn't expect a tastelet to understand.

Yeah I'm not letting weebs copyright anything that's not fucking bitter/sour/sweet/or salty LOL

>>18909719
>savory foods aren't salty unless they contain salt
>savory foods aren't umami unless they contain glutamates
>most savory foods contain both
>therefore savory and umami mean the same thing

>we've been calling it savory for centuries
>didn't even consider it a flavor before umami was discovered
same thing, yeah sure... sure

>>18907318
the bigger mystery is why this pic insists on subdividing the tongue into "flavor" areas.

>>18908608
Savory is used to describe both things that are not sweet, and things that are umami, so technically yes and no.

>>18907318
No, it's a unique specific type of taste

>savory
this is what you meant anon

>>18907318
>umami
Umami - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Umami
Umami or savoriness, is one of the five basic tastes. It has been described as savory and is characteristic of broths and cooked meats. : 35–36. Umami.

>>18912338
umami≠savory weebs btfo

>>18907534
This nigga eating favabeans and drinking Chianti

Things can be savory without being umami
umami has a particular reaction in the mouth that is related to savoriness, but still distinct from it
Similar to how sour things make you pucker, and spicy things make your mouth burn, umami things give your mouth a full and covered feeling--sometimes feeling a shock to the area near joints of the jaw
It's basically "mouthwatering", but less about saliva

>>18907318
Taste like chicken.
Or any protein you can put your tongue on.

>>18907512
Pff, you uncultured man.

>>18907318
The flavor of salt without the saltiness

>>18907318
Can you describe any taste without contrasting it with another or by providing an example? No because taste is experiential and personal by nature. You could say umami tastes like meat and mushrooms just as you could say sour is like vinegar or cranberries. But you can't truly describe either to someone who doesn't have those frames of reference.

>>18907490
You have it backwards. Savory broadly describes foods that are tasty but not sweet or dessert-like. Savory foods can be salty, umami, and even bitter. Potato chips could be described as savory, for instance. Bacon is both salty and umami. Umami refers specifically to the meaty taste sensation of glutamates, regardless of the presence of salt or bitterness. It refers to something very specific and that justifies it having its own word.

>>18907318
It's delicious

>>18907318
sure, right after you've described the other flavors. Feel free to also describe colors while you're at it

>>18907318
I can't even describe ANY of the flavors without just comparing them to food.

>>18907318
well you see umami is just a japanese made up bullshit word used to describe one of the tastes that gets lumped under savory, it's like how different things are sweet in different ways, but all just get called sweet, sucrose activates your tongue in a slightly different way than fructose but that doesn't mean i'm gonna allow some jap to say "anything with sucrose flavor must now be exclusively referred to as tasting kobayashi maru"

>>18907318
It's a hipster myth.
You might as well distinguish between "sour" and "citrus".
At some point you're just being pedantically specific while pretending "citrus" is on the same par with "sweet", "sour" or "salty".

>>18907506
>I am massive faggot, please fuck me in the ass.

>>18907318
taste salt
then taste MSG
that's the difference

>>18907318
You can define a flavour if it is possible to apply that flavour to something inherently bland make it not bland.
>bitter water
tastes bitter.
>sour water
tastes sour.
>sweet water
tastes sweet
>salty water
tastes salty
>umami water
tastes like nothing.
This is the same logic for why spicy is not a flavour; spicy water will taste spicy but it won't have the same overriding impact as the other flavours.

It's the sensation of L-amino acids binding with TAS1R1/TAS1R3 receptors.

>>18909659
>the reason they are called savoury is because they share similar qualities
Of being salty and not sweet. That's not a specific flavor
>the nips call it umami and in fucking English it's been defined as Savoury
No, savory is the closest possible term in English but it's not the same.
Sorry, you don't get to change the English just because you want to discredit Japanese.

>>18914345
Sorry, but being a super-opinionated asshole doesn't make you right.
Umami is the hipster-nonsense version of savory.
That's all it is. Pull out your buttplug and stop pretending you're special.