/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Sure, it is an easy way to introduce satiation

>>18762449
MSG is great in sauces.

>>18762449
I bought some from a Chinese store and have been meaning to use it.

Seems like a great way to impress people with your cooking if it's like salt but more addictive and delicious. I can tell when snacks have MSG because they give me such a strong craving for more. Probably not going to use it regularly because then ill enjoy my food too much and get fat.

>>18762449
MSG is perfectly safe. If you like the taste, there's no reason not to use it.

Yeah use it with I+G

Fuck oath, I sprinkle this shit on my eggs

>>18762449
Yep, I add it to certain things that don't have a savory source and could benefit from some extra savory flavoring.

>>18762474
It's salt+umami (savory), so it punches up the savory component of anything, and people kind of undersalt stuf, so the salt helps up the flavor.

>>18762449
yea

>>18762449
Looks like Ketamine

>>18762649
What the fuck do you mean? It takes away sweetness? I'm calling bullshit on this claim.

I use it, but many people don't understand how to.

A. It's a salt, so if you add it you have to reduce the regular salt, often people double up on salt because there was salt in a sauce they used or somthing.

B. It's a salt, so you add it last. People make the same mistake of adding it into something before they cook it down.

C. It's a salt, so you can easily saturate your palate if you add it to a sauce. You're adding MSG to every individual drop of sauce. Industrially MSG is often used as a powder.

D. Be sure there's no MSG in your food to begin with, it might be listed as E621 and there are several related analogues .
Some food is also MSG rich to begin with like fish sauce, soya sauce, tomato sauce, seaweed and parmesan.

>>18762449
I would and I do. I'm a chink btw.

I recommend using it in any vegetable dish which isn't sweet, in oil based meat dishes, in table sauces

>>18762478
>MSG is perfectly safe.

Sure thing buddy. My friend went blind thanks to that shit. There's a reason normal people avoid it and asians use it.

>>18762885
>B. It's a salt, so you add it last. People make the same mistake of adding it into something before they cook it down.
aren't you supposed to add salt/msg before you cook your food?

At least I add all my seasoning to the meat and throw in the oven

>>18762914
is that why their eyes are small? scary shit.

>>18762449
Try MSG noodle if you want to see how useful they really are
just boil up some store bought noodle and toss equal amounts of salt and msg into the water, then give them a taste when they're finish cooking, makes bland noodles tasty, obviously not really a dish, but it does help you visualize what MSG does to something taste wise.

>>18762449
>Would you use MSG in your cooking?
I already do, it's a fantastic ingredient.

>>18762885
>It's a salt, so you add it last.
Have you ever cooked food in your life?

>>18762449
yes. especially in sauces. its a bit like garlic powder. it works best when it can melt into a bit of liquid.
used dry directly on a food it tends to just bounce off, whether its hot or covered in oil or not

>>18762449
Anyone who says no is a gullible moron

>>18762914
fuck off with your propaganda lmao

>>18762449
yes sometimes i do. especially in rice dishes. mostly i throw it on store bought rice dishes that are bland

>>18762914
You don't sprinkle it in your fucking eyes

>>18762449
It can give people prone to migraines/people with glutamate sensitivities headaches and other inflammation related symptoms.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0896841107001400?via%3Dihub

>>18762981
>>18763314
>t. retards who can't cook
You're supposed to salt while cooking. If you taste it after it's done and it needs more then you can adjust and add more.

>>18763874
Yeah? So? Are you going to skip using gluten because some people are "gluten sensitive"?

>>18763910
No, but the point of the post was to point out that is isn't harmless, as some have said in the thread.

>>18762449
It used to be promoted here as a cool mysterious oriental seasoning here when I was little, but I don't think they sell it anymore

>>18763876
Salt is usually one of the first ingredients I add.

>>18764090
No food is harmless when there is at least 1% of people allergic to it.

>>18762914
did you know SODIUM CHLORIDE can kill you? it can fill your blood vessels with water, increase blood pressure, destroy your kidneys and cause bleeding your brain! Make sure none of your foods have this evil substance!!

>>18762449
I do, I put it in sauces and on salads.

>>18764113
Moj crncugo

I put it on everything. Right now in my lunchbox I have a bowl of pineapple and berries seasoned with salt, citric acid, honey, lemon juice, and msg. It makes everything taste better.

>>18762914
MSG is literally just sodium bound to a glutamate ion, not unlike table salt that is just sodium bound to a chloride ion (NaCl). MSG is probably healthier, consisting of less sodium than its weight compared to NaCl.

no, too much sodium uwu

>>18763874
MSG is one of the only things where symptoms of consuming it only appear in those who are aware that they have consumed it.
If you call it something else like umami seasoning then the symptoms disappear entirely.

>have a jar of msg granules
>mom assumes it's sugar and bakes an apple crisp with it

AITA reddit?

>>18762449
No, it's unhealthy. Inb4 cantcooks mad.

>>18763874
>>18765107
someone should inform these people that msg is naturally occurring in tomatoes. when was the last time an american got such a big headache from pizza that they couldn't eat it anymore?

>>18765133
>I heckin love Science!(tm)

>>18762449
Yes. Tastes good man.

>>18762469
Also good to add when cooking a pot of beans.

I have never noticed a difference when I use it.
Give it to me straight /ck/-- is my tongue retarded?

>>18763874
>>18765107
>>18765133
This, for 99% of people it's placebo.
I have purposefully put MSG in my food that I serve to people who say they have MSG "sensitive"
I specifically asked them if they felt ok the next day that it wasn't too rich or fatty, and they all said no it was delicious. There is probably more MSG in fast food and processed garbage than what most people use in their cooking.

Funny enough, my gf is born and raised in Thailand and her mom told her about MSG headaches kek. Somehow the paranoia does exist to a degree even in asia

>>18762885
high tier bait

>>18762885
for more helpful information on how to better apply MSG in your cooking, check out e621.com

>>18762449
Do I like flavor? Yes I do like flavor.

>>18765067
Lye is just sodium bound to a hydroxy-anion (regular water and oxygen), so that is the same, too. Probably healthier since it has water (safe) and oxygen (safe).

>>18765634
>I did a shitty experiment with one or two people and on this I can now invalidate millions of people's experiences and dozens of scientific studies
I don't think you realize just how stupid you are, not to mention how much of a fag you are for hiding what you're putting in people's food

>>18762449
only if it is ethically sourced, soy vegan gluten free MSG.

>>18765634
I get a headache any time I eat Freddy's steak burgers

>>18765849
This is a great resource thanks anon

>>18766618
MSG intolerance is real. Gluten intolerance is real. Most people that claim to have either are either delusional or just want attention.

>>18762449
Cookie cutters make me laugh.

Do you use pre made stock?

>>18765009
Jesus, don't go overboard, you'll turn yourself I to someone who can't enjoy anything plain. Like some kind of Indian.

Serious.

>>18765067
Fuck, I always forget what an ion is, is it an atom an unbalanced amount of Electrons?

Did you study Chemistry?

>>18765107
It's actually embarrassing.

>>18766909
>>18765107
Nah, I've gotten insomnia after eating MSG filled food and wasn't made aware of the fact that I ate MSG until well after the fact (e.g. at my aunt's thanksgiving dinner)

>>18766618
>hiding what you're putting in people's food
This is literally the joy of every chef. Doesn't mean they're putting crap in your food.

>>18766591
In his defense, he did say glutamate and chloride ions. Lye (sodium hydroxide) is not bound to water or breathable oxygen.

>>18766922
I guess that's why I don't eat out very often. I like to know what's going into my body. Taste is secondary.

Staring to hate these midwestern boomer fatasses who think msg is some exotic oriental poison. There’s msg in tons of processed snacks like doritios these lards have never complained about before

>>18766918
I guess Turkey gives you insomnia too since you are Turkey then couldn't sleep.

By the way what kind of Aunt uses msg? (Unless she's from Asia. Msg is for savant cooks.

>>18766933
Fuck off, I'm not even joking. Fuck off out of this board for that opinion.

>>18765067
Do mercury next.

>>18767026
Why don't you put my dick in your mouth and guess what spices I dipped it in, fatso

>>18766932
I know, but the >>18765067 line of arguing is so sloppy when it comes to (toxic) properties of chemicals, you can't simply say that if half the part of the salt is similar it behaves similarly. Small changes can have big impacts in behavior.

>>18766871
>MSG intolerance is real. Gluten intolerance is real. Most people that claim to have either are either delusional or just want attention.
100% this. People get sick from disgusting cheap panda express type chinese restaurants then think it's the "MSG" not the fact they ate garbage.

>>18766922
I wasn't hiding anything I was making ramen. They said chicken bouillon, fish stock, fish sauce and seaweed was all fine but MSG gave them headaches. They're obviously full of shit. It's not like I was sneaking peanuts in.

Yes

>>18762449
Is naturally occurring msg different than manufactured msg?

>>18767377
>Oh God oh fuck I'm so NAUSEOUS and HEADACHEY from eating cheap Chinese, it must be the sinister yellow man's poison chemical, not the fifty thousand grams of salt per square inch or the expired cream cheese crab rangoon or the 'boneless spareribs' made from week-old pork or the rice fried on a cook surface that hasn't been cleaned since 2006
Suburbanites will accept literally any explanation except the truth that they violated their right to not being sick by eating health-code-violating foreign junk food in the first place

using msg is bullshit. all of you are addicted.

glutamate is what your body uses to tell you if the food you are eating is actually proper and nutritious.

99% of modern food is literal poison, with msg+cheap lab made acids + salt and flavor chemicals anything can taste good. it literally hijacks your brain into thinking what you ate is nutritious, when in reality youre just poisoning yourself. keep eating the goyslop what the fuck do i care, oh wait nvm youre all literally paying megacorps to enslave humanity, all the while high af off doritos and zoned into a screen. look at the dystopian shithole around you, yes its your fucking fault, keep buying goygoods on amazog so they can fund the police drones of the future.

>>18767741
If you're above the age of 18 and are posting this in earnest, you should probably be on powerful antipsychotics.

>>18762449
Only if you kill me and involuntarily use my corpse.

>>18767741
Op asked would you use MSG in your cooking? not do you enjoy MSG in your processed and fast foods.

I like putting it on my steak

what if i use it instead of salt to boil noodles?

>>18762449
msg is basically salt. I don't add salt to me food
I add aspartame to my food.
Sweetness makes things taste better
and
It isn't sodium
So aspartame is far healthier.

>>18762449
What exactly is it? a form of salt?
I can't find it at any of my local store even in the intl section, does brand matter if I'm looking on amazon?

>>18762449
Chinkslop therfore no

>>18762649
It doesn't taste like sodium chloride, it tastes like msg.
I swear, fucking posers it that never cooked a single dish or have zero taste buds

>>18762885
"I know how to cook, I watched all of Chef KokZukers' videos on YooToobe" - the post

>>18767775
>what the fuck is msg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-POAKKH5IM
I know I know >adam but his information/journalist stuff is usually pretty informative. You don't have to take his cooking advice.

>I can't find it at any of my local store even in the intl section, does brand matter if I'm looking on amazon?
I don't think it really matters but aji no moto is a pretty ubiquitous brand

>>18767775
look for "umami seasoning". it's the same thing.

>>18765634
Why would they connect whatever symptoms may have come from it with the food prepared by someone they know knows about their issues with msg? For example
>man what a pounding headache anon must have poisoned me
Isn't how any normal persons brain works.
You're just an asshole putting shit in peoples food no different than that nigger that spits in a fast food order.

>>18767772
They will taste like they have no salt.
MSG does not replace regular salt, only fucking idiot nocookers say this.

>>18767655
>their right to not being sick
God I hate the left you and nobody in the world has a right to not be sick how would that even fucking work fuck you're retarded. You gonna arrest the germs?

>>18767858
I specifically asked them how they felt or if they felt sick afterwards, and asked them about a headache since seaweed and the chicken stock has natural MSG in it

Sorry it turns out your MSG "allergy" is just placebo mental illness

>>18767869
He was being facetious, ESL bro.

>>18767869
I hope you're just baiting, because if not, you'd have to be severely autistic to interpret that sentence the way you did.

>>18767955
I have no allergies, let alone msg. I'm merely pointing out that your "experiment" fails to eliminate even surface level variables. Matter of fact I'll even go as far to say I agree with your conclusion
But again, how you got there is retarded and so therefor are you. Why was I so emotionally involved to tell you this on an anonymous Vietnamese basket weaving forum was actually because my grandmother used to make horrid creations trying to sneak foods into things they did not belong in to trick my siblings and myself into eating those things. Those things we enjoyed plenty on their own however things like spinach and broccoli. Has nothing to do with msg. You're just retarded. And I bet my grandmother still thinks she got us too because we'd eat what ever vile creation she created with a smile since we were raised to be polite. Nice that now that I poked a hole in that experiment you amend your statement to now asking them specifically about the specific ailments. On that one, again back to grandmother, politeness could easily get in the way, second, at that point a normal person goes "oh fuck, why he know about the headache? This mother fucker actually poisoned me on purpose? Just appease him it'll be easier" you dumb fuck.
And how was that in any way facetious? You're psychotic m8. See someone about it please

>>18767955
>>18768274
Oh forgot to point out the samefag. Samefag

i do.
>>18762474
it's salt except basically flavorless. salt is salty, but multiplies the flavor of other seasonings and spices and herbs. MSG does this except it adds minimal flavor of it's own, so you can add a lot to a dish before it starts making it taste like shit.

>>18762449

Do you want to be an endocrine damaged fat fuck?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S037842741633315X

>>18762449
smoke it off a crack pipe

give boner

>>18769041
somebody call a fucking ambulance

>>18768773
it wasn't a science experiment I just wanted to make good ramen and that included a few extra dashes of MSG and I wasn't in the mood to placate to some pansy fake "sensitivity". Everyone was fine.
I'm sorry your grandma did that. It's nice to be polite to your grandma.

>And how was that in any way facetious?
I also struggle in my second language, so I have sympathy, I'll help you out.
He wasn't saying there is a human right etched in stone written by God that every human has a god given right not to be sick.
He was just saying suburban people often don't want to believe their illness is their own doing, so they would rather blame a random fake allergy or sensitivity than take responsibility for what they put in their bodies.
He used slightly hyperbolic language to say this.

Another common example is the similar, near idiomatic sentiment "my right to vote is my right to complain." Technically, I have freedom of speech so I can choose to not vote and complain, but that would be hypocritical.

>>18767858
The issue is that MSG is in literally everything, from tomatoes to chicken stock/bouillon (especially in transformed, industrial shit). If you have a specific allergy regarding this crap, you usually are pretty careful about the shit you eat and you pre-emptively notify your host about your particular issues, just as if you were allergic to nuts.

People telling you they're allergic to MSG usually do not go through this process, and only acknowledge they have it when the host explicitely said that they added that particular additive

I usually use a few dash of maggi sauce in lieu of msg powder (unless the flavor doesn't make sense in a particular dish, in which case i just use plain msg), especially in sauces. This is because I mostly only deglaze with water, since I use a lot of spices, the meat already has a meaty flavor and the stocks usually just overpower the flavors already contained in the dish. a stock tends to round up the flavor. Whereas this way i can still taste the spices and the meat sharply so, while retaining the extra savoriness thanks to MSG. It also gives me a greater degree of control on my additives, be they salt or msg or anything. I hate to cook with pre-spiced, pre-flavored stuff because it's usually made for a mainstream public which means the flavors are unvariably dull.

>>18767741
Try an experiment. Put msg in your mums shitty food. Guess what it's still going to taste like shit. There's no trick.

Also your she isn't going to tell you she feels bad afterwards.

>>18769105
Keep changing your stories move the goal.
>he wasn't saying what he said he was saying this convoluted thing. It's what he was saying did u mention that? Just translating. I'm totally not him btw

>>18769318
>picky eater is also a complete idiot
Why am i not surprised

>>18767775
Literally walk into ANY oriental/asian store and look for a transparent bag with red lettering it'd be either aji-no-moto or image related. Western stores refuse to sell it despite being pretty much the most notorious asian spice.

>>18765107
Correct for some not all, plus people can simply be allergic to it

>>18769514
In finland theres some knorr aromat product with msg in it, but no pure msg itself being sold.
What the fuck

If your country sells any sort of instant noodle, or chips like lays, doritos, cheetos or whatever your local variant is, and basically any sort of processed food but also Doesn't stock the shelves with MSG, you live in a dim witted country, I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

>>18765112
how did it taste?

>>18769739
It makes no sense to sell cheap pure MSG when you can scam retards with diluted MSG in "magic spice" shakers sold with a 5000% markup.

>>18769485
>says he likes anything
>called picky
Yup anon.

>>18762885
>it might be listed as E621
Fucking furries

>>18768773
I hope you get over your issues with your grandma.

>>18769318
I hope you're ESL because if not this is seriously embarrassing

>>18766591
dissociation of ions does tend to have way simpler patterns of behavior compared to breaking up compounds to their constituent elements though, right?

we know CN is dangerous despite C and N being inert but afaik NaCl in solution really is just the combined properties of Na+ and Cl-

As a non-chem-major I'm mostly convinced by the "it's just glutamate ion bro" argument. am I wrong to be?

>>18765591
>im thinkin bout those beans
this improves beans immensely. using a pressure cooker and MSG took my bean game to god tier, compared to before.

I also use it in soups. it adds to any chicken broth based soup, but it seems especially critical for vegetable soups. zucchini soup with MSG is highly addictive. I don't add much but it really becomes the soul of the dish.

>>18763314
This. Every component of the dish should be salted individually. Meat should typically be salted in advance. Don't just add it at the end. That's retarded and only applicable if you're throwing together a lazy week night dish.

>>18768784

>>18762449
Yes, it turns chicken into duck.

>>18771723
>picrel taken over your shoulder, before committing your perfidy