/ck/ - Food & Cooking

The spice from the Teflon seasons the rice

>>18524767
Is teflon inert?

>>18524785
No.

I can’t be bothered to be constantly afraid of everything. Oh no, not the teflon. No not the caffeine, please, anything but caffeine. Nooo the seed oils the seed oils I’m gonna diee. Oh noo not the fucking carbs I’m gonna turn into a fat slave and diabetes myself to death. Nooo not the germs not the raw egg nooo you didn’t wash your hands I’m literally shaking.

>>18524846
Sure, but I suspect there may be an overlap between people worrying about teflon and ardent defenders of rice cookers, which are all made out of teflon.

>>18524767
Theres not a single shred of evidence proving teflon to be poisonous or harmful

>>18524846
Fine, but not washing your hands is degenerate.

>>18524767
The quality of the rice cooker seethes the ricelet.

>>18524872
The true ricelet cannot cook rice without a gadget.

>>18524922
No. The true ricelet cooks rice to a subpar standard and calls their recipe and rice perfect.

I can cook rice better than most in a pot, but the effort to get there is not usually worth it for me. Therefore I have a very high end rice cooker that I use multiple times a week. It makes better rice than all but the best restaurants.

>>18524846
That's how you got fat and it's all your own fault. Now stick to your fast food threads we don't want to read you here.

>>18524948
It's just rice, bro.

lmao

>>18524967
I weigh 115lbs

>>18524970
Ricelet.

>>18524982
>I weigh 115lbs

>>18524767
Teflon is only an issue at high temps, a rice cooker maxes out at or below 100C, well below the temp needed to start interacting with Teflon in a negative way.

>>18524767
I won a 10 cup rice cooker and sometimes I put the teflon bowl over my head and masturbate while sniffing and licking the teflon. Some of my top cooms have been from this.

>>18524846
>>18525048
>DuPont has deposited $.02 into your account

>>18525064
Its just basic science my dude.

Rice is cooked by steaming water, water starts to boil at 100C, most higher-end rice cookers further increase the internal pressure which further lowers the boiling point of water.

Teflon is only problematic above 250C.

> While PTFE is stable and nontoxic at lower temperatures, it begins to deteriorate at temperatures of about 260 °C (500 °F), it decomposes above 350 °C (662 °F), and pyrolysis occurs at temperatures above 400 °C (752 °F).
> Teflon-coated cookware is unlikely to reach dangerous temperatures with normal use, as meat is usually fried between 204 and 232 °C (399 and 450 °F), and most cooking oils (except refined safflower and avocado oils) start to smoke before a temperature of 260 °C (500 °F) is reached

That being said, if you have a pet bird in the house, do NOT use Teflon pans since the lowest level of degradation can kill birds.
> A 1973 study by DuPont's Haskell Laboratory found that a 4-hour exposure to the fumes emitted by teflon cookware heated to 280 °C (536 °F) was lethal for parakeets
I personally still don't own or use Teflon coated pans, but I am perfectly happy to use a Teflon coated rice bowl.

>>18524785
>Is teflon inert?
Yes
t. DuPont attorney

>>18525100
I've cooked for 10 years on a gas stove using teflon pans, cast iron, even some weird enamel coated shit that would scrape off after a few years and nothing ever happens, its retards trying to argue you shouldn't drink water because you can drown

>>18524767
>complaining about Teflon when you eat using plastic utensils.

>>18525129
Again, it just comes down to the use-case.

I have a 15-year-old cockatiel. I simply don't have any teflon pans in my house because of this. Even if I know when they're used properly it's perfectly safe, I'm still not going to risk the health of my bird because of a pan.

But I still have a rice cooker with a teflon inner bowl, and I have zero worry/concern about it causing issues for my bird because rice cookers don't get anywhere near hot enough.

>>18524982
Are you a midget or a cancer patient?

>>18524846
Either eat nothing but freshly slaughtered steak cooked on a wooden stick roasted over an open fire like a civilized person or be quiet anon.

>>18524846
yeh you sound like a fat shit that just doesn't want to give up their goyslop treats.
It's really fucking simple to stop shopping at the supermarket and start shopping at a farmers market.

>>18524982
Twink femboy?

>>18525129
>everything can kill you bro so who cares bro just fucking do what you want bro yolo haha nothing fucking matters bro btw you see the new rick and morty last night

>>18524846
Noooo not awareness nooooo not effort nooooo don't make me notice things

>>18525129
>nothing ever happens
smokers thought the same thing until they got emphysema and coughed up blood daily until they died

White rice has no nutritional value and brown rice is full of arsenic.

>>18525214
>brown rice is full of arsenic
buy better brown rice.

The only time rice has arsenic is when it's grown in soil that has high levels of arsenic. So literally just buy your rice from a better country. It is LITERALLY that easy.

>>18525129
Most of the effects of Teflon exposure are related to birth defects, so I'm sure it's something you will never have to worry about.

>>18524861
>an overlap between people worrying about teflon and ardent defenders of rice cooker
But people who worry about teflon are uninformed and don't know a lot about cooking, whereas people who have higher end rice cookers are the opposite.

>>18525218
That leaves 2 countries. France and Italy. Those are literally the only countries that label their rice LITERALLY as coming from their country.

Every other literal label on the market is a LITERAL fraud. There is literally no law that says Thai rice needs to come from Thailand. There is literally no national or international law that says Thai rice needs to come from arsenic-free soil.

That's literally impossible. Rice attracts rats and arsenic kills rats. All rice is literally grown in soil that has high levels of arsenic. Whether it's white, brown, wild or somewhere in between. You self-entitled, uninformed, arrogant little cunts with your Facebook-tier information piss me off to no end.

>>18525280
Kill yourself if you honestly expect me to believe japanese rice has high levels of arsenic you stupid nigger faggot.

>>18525256
>higher end rice cookers

>>18525282
PING PONG

>>18524861
>Sure, but I suspect there may be an overlap between people worrying about teflon and ardent defenders of rice cookers, which are all made out of teflon
see >>18525100

The reason rice cookers use teflon and people who HATE teflon pans are defending teflon in rice cookers is that a rice cooker is being used under strict conditions that simply could never cause issues with teflon, whereas an unattended teflon pan on your stove top could easily cause health issues.
An unattended rice cooker wont do anything.

>>18525313
So you agree. Good job.

>posting statistics you didn't bother to read to "prove" your point
Gotta love it

>>18525318
Not him. I was just posting that for the betterment of the thread.

>>18525229
that's transphobic

>>18525229
PTFE doesn't use plasticizers, it's not BPA. It's inert in the human body.
>inb4 schizo ramblings

>>18526099
DuPont lost that court case and had to pay out to many many people as a result, it certainly does cause birth defects.

>>18526119
>>18526099
It isn't the ptfe. It's all the shit required to utilize it that is harmful. Maybe even if it is 99.99% pure ptfe that last lil bit can be bad.

>>18524767
They will be banned very soon as waste from their production is accumulating everywhere

Just boil your rice on the stove in a pot like pasta, ez pz.
>bring water + salt to a boil
>add rice, boil for 8 minutes
>remove from heat and drain water
>return to lowest heat setting or off, cover and let steam for 10 minutes

>>18526134
Good thing my zoji rice cooker is known to last for well over a decade.

>>18524767
why not just get one of the rice cookers with a ceramic inner pot then? only slightly more expensive

>>18526356
Which ones are japanese?

>>18524982
eat a goddamn sandwich son, jesus christ.

>>18524767
Aren't century old japs using cheap rice cookers since literally decades?

>>18525125
kek

i love how just owning one of these things makes you lunatics froth at the mouth

>>18524861
Rice cookers are made with ceramic bowls as well, but yes Teflon should be avoided. Just use a well seasoned cast iron pan for 90% of cooking and a stainless steel pan for any acidic foods.

-Cookware Materials Tier List-
>BASED Tier
Glass
Ceramic
Cast iron
Carbon steel
Stainless steel

>Good in certain instances Tier
Copper
Stoneware

>Cringe Tier
Teflon
Non-stick
Aluminum

>>18524863
>Yes, goy! Consume the unnatural heated plastics with your food.

>>18524785
Yeah it's one of the most chemically stable compound that is theorized to exist.

>>18524767
my raclette pans are now exposed metal when they were initially coated
How many years of my life have I lost?

>>18526595
About tree fiddy.

>not using a proper hagama and open fire
Baka gaijin. You dishonor your ancestors.

>>18524767
Teflon is only bad if chipped off and ingested, which isn't supposed to happen in a rice cooker because you're not supposed to scratch the interior with metal utensils

What's the teflon even for? Why would rice ever stick to a rice cooker? It doesn't stick to my stainless steel saucepan unless I burn it, which a rice cooker us supposed to never do.

>>18524861 >>18524870 >>18524967 >>18525064 >>18525145 >>18525193 >>18525211
delusional

>>18526522
>yes faggot, just believe every random thing is bad because I used the word goy!

>>18527359
He listed 7 things that aren't bad and 3 that are.

>>18524948
>eats rice several times a week
I pity 3th Worlders.

>>18525211
>being paranoid is the same as being aware

>I don't like Teflon... just because
>no I don't have any evidence but I'm anti-science cause science is bad and I don't understand it!

>>18524785
Probably but the issue is that it will flake off, then you are getting teflon microplastics in your food, and the glue they used to attach it to the (probably) aluminium shell.

>>18524785
in chemistry labs, we use teflon a lot. magnetic stir bars are a magnetic rod coated in teflon. sometimes we'll use a teflon beaker when working with certain gel processes which react with glass.
teflon is outstandingly inert. there's nothing in your body that can chemically change it. there's nothing in most labs that can chemically change it. the only stuff that can break damage PTFE are really aggressive fluorine compounds, or something like sodium metal dissolved in liquid ammonia.
teflon holds up to stuff that chemically reacts with glass. you can absolutely eat a handful of glass beads and shit them out unchanged. and if you eat a handful of teflon beads, you'll shit those out too.
we regularly heat solutions of like, 98% sulfuric acid with a teflon stir rod in there, and it'll be fine even at 200 celcius for hours and hours. don't just take my word for it, but i mean to say that we use teflon because it is so inert. it's like black magic there's nothing like it.

>>18527561
i guess "98% sulfuric acid at 200C" doesn't mean much other than "thats an acid and its hot".
if you take a piece of paper and drop it into that, it will get fucking liquified into black goop. it fucking shreds practically everything with carbon in it, down to carbon. sulfuric acid "wants" water so badly it will rip the water out of the cellulose molecules in the paper, and it'll do the same to your tissue. totally obliterating cells, fats, proteins, to strip out an oyxgen and some hydrogens. and the teflon is totally fine.
anything that could be in your body, that could fuck up teflon, would preferentially fuck you up long before the teflon was affected.

>>18527577
Yup, high temps are one of the only things that DOES fuck with teflon

And specifically in regards to this thread, a rice cooker wouldn't even hit more than 100C, let alone 200-250C+.

>>18527561
PFAS/PFOA still accumulates in the body while ingested in small particles, so just because it is chemically inert doesn't mean it isn't harmful.

>>18527593
i don't really know enough about the manufacturing side to say for sure but the last time i looked into it my understanding was that PFOA or PFOS are absolutely in everyone's bodies now, which isn't great.
but, that's it's probably not from cookware. like, PFOS boils at 133C. they actually heat teflon above that temperature in the manufacturing process. it's a benefit when your end product melts/boils at a much higher temperature than some other shit you're using in the process, because all the PFOS would be evaporated off. so i don't think it's worth being concerned about impurities or anything in your teflon on your cookware. it's probably substantially pure, undetectable contaminants right out of the factory.
i dunno i'll look into it again because i can't remember exactly but at one point in time i was pretty convinced that teflon cookware is genuinely fine. and while i probably wouldn't do it just for fun, but i would to prove a point, be willing to eat a handful of teflon out of confidence that there wouldn't be any negative health effects. maybe there's a market for that, long-lasting reusable dietary fiber substitute. collect it out of your shit, wash it off, and eat it again.

>>18525100
Raising pressure also raises the boiling point, but the rest of what you said stands.

>>18527684
I was just baked when I wrote it, I meant lowered pressure

>>18527684
>>18527700
no no, you were right the first time. high pressure means higher boiling point, as in the water boils at a higher temperature.

it's why if you pull a vacuum on water, it boils.
or why if you were thrown out in space, the water in you would boil.

the benefit of a pressure cooker is that the pressure means you can make the water hotter than you could if it wasn't pressurized. higher temperatures means faster cooking.

>>18527714
and in the case of a rice cooker, it reduces the pressure to make water boil (and thus steam) at a lower temp. This is good because it means your teflon will never get anywhere near the temps needed to cause health issues.


Also, temp isn't really what effects the cooking time for rice. The pressure and non-pressure Zojis have nearly identical cooking times.

>>18524863
It is, when heated above 235°C. Which does not fucking happen in an electric appliance unless it catches fire

>>18524846
Ew.

When are the DuPont people getting hung for poisoning the world's water?

>>18524785
>>18527561
i work with teflon and yeah its pretty inert but it also releases poison gas when you heat it up to 550 degrees

>>18527561
Fluoride, you say? The stuff they started putting into our drinking water at around the same time teflon was introduced? How curious.

>>18524785
>>18527561
So it's great until about 500°F.

>all nonstick surfaces are literally DuPont Teflon
>ricecookers get hot enough to cause chemical decomposition of the nonstick surface
>plastic rice paddles are harder than the nonstick surface and will scrape it off
>all of Japan is dying of cancer because ricecookers
I really hate that schizo retardation has become so common on this board.

I use Teflon and honestly I don't get what you humans complain about.

not an issue

>>18525280
literally

>>18526522
What is your stance on ceramic non-stick?

Imagine not cooking rice in a solid fucking stone pot

>>18529324
i don wan it to break >.<

Theres no evidence this is bad for you ok.

Ive eaten out of it and it hasnt done me any harm.

I cant be bothered to look into these issues so no one else should.

t.

>>18529324
Thats a nice pot

>>18526541
even more stable than diamond?

>>18530179
diamond isn't a compound it's just carbon.

>>18530195
I've literally never seen a flawless diamond and don't believe they exist

>>18530199
okay

>>18528091
His post didnt contain the word floride once you dumb fuck, you arent smart and you arent some hidden genius who seeks through the cracks and lies of the government you just want to think you are smart or special when you arent so shut the fuck up and stop shitting up my board

>>18530265
based and compliancepilled

i spent my life savings on a rice cooker

>>18530347
Me too... my wife!

>>18524767
I just bought a Zojirushi so fuck you, OP. Faggot.

Department of Homeland Security is doing damage control for Teflon on 4chan. You love to see it.

>>18524846
I cut out seed oils and lost 50 pounds this year bitch

>>18528055
Well what am I supposed to do with the teflon particles inside me when my body heats up to 550 degrees?

>>18529324
SOUL

>>18524948
I have the shittiest $15 rice cooker on amazon and it makes rice that tastes just as ricey as nice rice from $250 rice cookers. it's fucking rice, water, and heat. this is like retards who pay for fuji water.

>>18533217
Fuji water is the shit

>>18533217
>15 dollar rice cooker.

Let me guess... You buy ultra cheap rice. You can't polish a turd, bud. Load up some koshihikari rice in a three figure rice cooker and you will, for a fact, notice a difference in how they come out. Promise. :D

>>18526522
anon... clay is a plastic, just not a polymer.

>>18533294
>nooo my magic rice plant shits out rice that tastes waaaaaayyyy better than normal rice plants' rice. btw you also need a $400 rice cooker to get the most out of your fancy magic $20/lb rice!
>now a bowl of rice supposed to cost 10 cents costs 5 dollars
Fuck off it all tastes the same.

>>18533342
Lmfao, ricelet.

>>18533345
riccer

>>18524785
dipshit

>>18533217
well how do you know it's just as good? have you used a 300 dollar rice cooker?
>t. someone with a 40 dollar rice cooker

>>18525145
>freshly slaughtered steak
this nigga so brainwashed he thinks muscle mass is the most valuable part of an animal

>>18526480
They're called nips anon because they're from nippon

>>18530179
>even more stable than diamond?
Yeah.
>The only chemicals known to affect these carbon-fluorine bonds are highly reactive metals like the alkali metals, and at higher temperatures also such metals as aluminum and magnesium, and fluorinating agents such as xenon difluoride and cobalt(III) fluoride.

>>18533774
NO
teflon gives you cancer!

>>18527684
>Raising pressure also raises the boiling point, but the rest of what you said stands.
Have something you can put water in that will hold it at 560PSI?

>>18533756
I thought it was because they had huge nipples from all the soy and teflon they consume.

>>18527489
the definition of paranoia is having an enhanced sense of awareness.

>>18524785
until you scratch it off.. my father bought fucking teflon pot for my grandma, total absolute bullshit, he is so fucking retarded, i told him she will scratch the teflon into food over time and few months later the bottom of the pot has no teflon at all, she scratched it all into food.. OMFG WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING STUPID

>>18524861
imagine not getting a rice cooker with a stainless steel pot so you can just hit it with a scouring pad

>>18529222
Not him, but the binding process of applying a ceramic to say cast iron to make it non stick involves the use of silica for the glaze, so the real risk there is where the manufacturer is getting their raw materials, since there is a risk of lead toxicity if the source is bad.
Ask the manufacturer where they purchase the raw material from and where is it manufactured. If they refuse to tell you it's probably made in China. Alot of companies that want to say Made in France or Made in Germany or whatever will still outsource early parts of the manufacturing process to cheap Chinese labor and then finish manufacturing in the target country.

>>18533689
>>18533689
I ate rice at an asian friend's house and he indeed had a boug max $300+ rice cooker. it's fucking rice. it's exactly the same.

If you can't cook rice in a normal pot, you can't cook anything.

>>18527727
how does that work? does your rice cooker have a vacuum pump? when the water starts to boil pressure will increase if it's sealed so it would have to be pulling a vacuum the whole cooking time in that case. never heard of anything like it

>>18535820
Then why do so much more people cook in rice pots then? Can you explain that anon?

>>18535949
Don't indulge the mental midgets pseudo intellectual blatherings.

>>18535949
>Then why do so much more people cook in rice pots then?
What do you even mean? At least 90% of people who cook rice, do it in a regular pot.

Rice is a staple food in India, in the Middle East, in South America, parts of Africa; not only in small Asian countries (no, most people in China don't cook it in a rice cooker either)

>>18535949
They can't cook
simple as

>>18535977
did you have a stroke before you could finish your sentence

How can Western weebs EVER recover?

Apropos... it's a survey about rice in Japan, how much it's eaten, etc.... and the question reveals that people are most satisfied.... cooking it.... on .... the..... stove O.O

https://www.rinnai.co.jp/releases/2016/0901/index_2.html