/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Bread, cream, white sauce, and aspic.

>>18298208
White people spent centuries colonizing the world in order to obtain spices from every corner of the globe. Why not use them?

>>18298208
Unironically, a shit load of beer and wine

Olive oil and fish paste to be like a Mediterranean

>>18298216
To sell them for more beer instead.

>>18298208
Nothing from the new world, look up some medieval recipes, they actually ate pretty good.

>>18298208
burnt meats

>>18298245
pumpkins are from this side? damn and I thought halloween was from yurop

>>18298296
Pumpkins are one of the most famous new world crops, traditionally eaten around Thanksgiving. In Europe, they traditionally carved turnips and other hard root vegetables.

>>18298303
What the fuck turnip is that? Our turnips look like very slender white carrots. Do you call rutabagas turnips too?

>>18298214
But plain white sauce makes your teeth go grey

>>18298221
It was more gin and brandy by that point, Even the army had a rum ration. Ale was for factory workers who needed the calories (and then wondered why they ended up crippled after drinking all day around machinery)

>>18298245
Man the new world really got the good end of the deal on that one, even with the diseases. Also, it's not like europe didn't get diseases in return

>>18298307
that's a parsnip you're think of a turnip looks like that pic

>>18298339
>Also, it's not like europe didn't get diseases in return
All the diseases originates in Asia, how interesting is that?

>>18298208
Onions and garlic

>>18298307
We usually carve sugar beets in south germany

>>18298208
>spices(gives stomach cancer)
yikes, looks like you are about to OD on copium, chief.

Baboon mucus

>>18298398
Gets my nog joggin

>>18298307
I live in the USA and this is what our turnips look like. I think you're mixing it up with a parsnip.

>>18298208
Make some Neapolitan pizza and buy a gyro spit. If you live in a hot climate grow some basil, it will triple in size in a month, make some pesto and stir it into pasta with extra parm. Italy carries euro food on it's back and is also the definition of technique over flavor but that also means it's harder.
>inb4 italians aren't white

>>18298691
Basil is from India and wasn't grown widely around Italy until the 18th century. It isn't an herb that's native to Europe. Tomatoes of any kind are also off the table. Try again.

>>18298208
> doesn't
Start with a dictionary

>>18298221
Unexpectedly based answer

>>18299091
The subject in the sentence is plural, so the use of "don't" is grammatically correct in OP's post

>>18298208
mormon crickets

>>18298245
they forgot to include niggers in the dieseases category

>>18298691
Pasta is out too, as it is chinese

>>18299462
That's clearly fucking meme bullshit

>>18299530
>No mention of spaghett pre-Marco Polo
>Marco Polo sees Change doing some ungodly stuff with rice flour
>Tells his fellows
>Spaghett as of around the 1300s
Obviously the Romans had lasagne but they didn't boil it, it was like a thin bread thing.

>>18299205
Anon I believe you are responding to the wrong post. That or I'm missing something

>>18298208
Butter, salt, and herbs

>>18298307
Bro technically rutabaga is a type of turnip.

>>18298245
>disease
kek

>>18298339
Literally how? Peppers, potatoes, sweet potatoes, squash, tomatoes are all absolute fucking kino. The only good thing eurasia had was onions.

>>18298208
It's not the spices that give you cancer, it's the poison sprayed on them. Just grow your own.

I thought that was a pic of convicted fraudster and Mormon "prophet" (more like profit, really), Joseph Smith.

>>18299748
lol
I reverse searched it and it is indeed Conman McFraudenstien.

>>18299688
You look goofy as hell.
One guy(Marco Polo) traveled across the old world to steal and remember a stupid food recipe during dark times(height of Mongolian empire)? We have a major historical conspiracy theory on our hands.
Chinks are so fucking stupid. Should of paid attention in school instead of cheating, Wang.

>>18299867
>Should of

>>18298208
Isn't that a picture of Brigham Young?

>>18299919
Uhhh you mean shoulda you dumb flatfaced bucktoothed mongrel

>>18298333
Just eat yeast, it'll go away.

>>18299928
Mmmm yeah, touch your wang Louis

>>18299919
Yeah yeah "Should have", fish eyed moabite..

>>18299867
>dark times(height of Mongolian empire)
Utterly irrelevant and almost completely forgotten.

>>18298303
You should eat them now. They're not famous, they're boring. Once a year is more than enough - with the exception of the Italian cultivars.

The tradition you mention is about celebrating roots/nature/instinct being transformed into faces/culture/consciousness. Carving pumpkins for profit and celebrating hard cash is the complete opposite.

>>18298217
nice way to develop gyno
if OP is minding his health he should avoid alcohol

>>18299867
italian pasta literally comes from chinese noodles
also your precious tomatoes are ours not from europe :)

>>18298934
>post-18th century is off the table
Ok mutt.

>>18298208
Cold smoked cod and lamb roasted on an outdoor spit.

>>18300224
Modern-style pasta was brought to southern Italy by Arabs hundreds of years before Marco Polo was even born. Furthermore, durum wheat, which is what pasta is made from, is not native to China but to the Mediterranean, Middle East and Horn of Africa. The Chinese had no knowledge of durum until the 16th century.
Also, the Middle East had pasta in antiquity, gotten from North Africa. Unlike the Carthaginians, who made durum into what would today be called couscous, the ancient cultures of the ME ate it as a sweet. You can see some evidence of this in modern Persian desserts such as faloodeh.
Pre-durum, pasta on the northside of the Med was made with other seeds and grains such as barely or spelt. Buckwheat pasta was common at Greek, Roman and Etruscan funeral meals, for example, hence the name "maccheroni/macaroni," from the Greek 'makaria,' meaning 'funeral.'

>>18298934
Except Pliny the Elder wrote about basil as did Virgil, who literally wrote a recipe in poetic form for a paste of basil, olive oil, nuts, garlic and fish sauce /in the 1st century BC/. Today, this paste, swapping the fish sauce out for cheese, is called "pesto."

>>18300422
so not only was that anon being a contrarian faggot (OP pic is an 18th century American) but he was also completely wrong, what an absolute fucking mong

>>18300024
The fuck are you talking about? Nobody in America sells carved pumpkins. We just carve them for fun.

>>18298245
>honeybee
damn how did bears survive without honey for so long

garlics and herbs
people grossly underestimate what a little butter, rosemary and garlic can achieve

>spices give you stomach cancer
>south and southeast Asia have low stomach cancer rates

>>18298208
>What ingredients do I mostly use?

Almost nothing. Do you realize how much of your food is derived from Asia? Specifically the Middle East?

>>18300337
Sheep were domesticated in the Middle East. He can have cod and that's it.

boil some chicken

>>18299462
Based

>>18299867
>remember a stupid food recipe during dark times(height of Mongolian empire)
1 Noodles are really easy to make
2 Yuan Dynasty under Kublai was a golden age for anyone who isn't a Han nationalist.

>>18301016
They're just built different

>>18299966
True, we only remember the brilliant Mao era now.

>>18298398
Syphilis came from the Americas. It was pretty bad before antibiotics.

>>18302188
so true!

>>18302148
Chicken came from chinks so only boar and deer for you

Also cows from Middle East too

>>18303452
venison is dope tho

>>18303452
Romans ate chicken 2000+ years ago in Parthia (IE modern day Iran and its surrounding nations IE Persia) and brought the bird back to Europe with them. Apicius, dating to the 1st century AD (though the book was compiled in its current form in the 5th century), had recipes for chicken. I think 1500+ years is more than enough time to consider a food part of a culture's native cuisine. In fact, there's some evidence that one of the cultures of the Levant, though certainly not the Romans themselves, may have been the first to use techniques common to what might be considered by today's standards "factory farming" of hens for their eggs. There was an archaeological discovery in 2016 or so in Marisa/Marissa/Maresha strongly implying that not only were chickens domesticated and kept for eggs in the region but that the evidence shows that they were doing so 2300 years ago, /before the Chinese did/. The reason the culture responsible for this can't be the Romans is because Roman presence in the Levant wasn't well established yet. That didn't come until the 1st century BC.

I don't know about cattle being from the Middle East, but I do know that the oldest known evidence for the domestication of cattle for meat and dairy dates to about 10000 BC (IE 12000 years ago) in western Anatolia, just across from Europe itself. Oddly enough, this was a few thousand years before India would domesticate water buffalo and zebu and long, long before they became venerated in the subcontinent (only 2400 years ago).

>>18301119
Not completely certain that's true, either. Besides cattle, sheep were also domesticated in Anatolia IE the Near East, not the Middle East. I can look into it to be certain, but I know goats were first domesticated in the Caucasus region over 11000 years and and sheep first got to that area through trade with Anatolia around 8500 BC or so, give or take a few centuries.

>>18304248
>>18303452
Oh, and to contrast, deer have only been domesticated a thousand years or so, far shorter than the 12000 year history of the domestication of cattle in Anatolia. It would be ridiculous to assume that cattle hadn't entered Europe and European diets in the 11000 year timespan between their domestication in Anatolia and the domestication of reindeer.
If you want to claim hunted deer predates domesticated cattle, sure, go ahead, but there are neolithic cave paintings from Altamira, Spain near Santander depicting wisents being hunted. Wisents are a close relative of cattle and bison, with whom they share etymology in their names.
These paintings are from about 14000 years ago.