/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>have ibs and depression
>eat probiotics, fermented foods, lots of fatty red meat, miso, olive oil
>both disappear

>>18216900
what are the benefits of drinking kefir? and what's the recommended daily dose?

>>18217018
ive had horrible abdominal pain for a week. dunno if it was IBS. decided to get kefir. drank a big glass and i felt better within minutes. 45 minutes later still feel good. is it really that simple?

>>18217024
apparently helps with gut bacteria. don't really need to think of it in "dosage". just drink a glass

>>18217054
>apparently helps with gut bacteria
explains this to me as if i'm a 3rd world mexican (which i am btw)

>>18217054
>ive had horrible abdominal pain for a week. dunno if it was IBS. decided to get kefir. drank a big glass and i felt better within minutes. 45 minutes later still feel good. is it really that simple?
Yeah you should shoot to have some probiotic *something* every day and mix it up so a good blend of intestinal flora has a chance of establishing itself.

If I get a tummy ache I either need alka-seltzer, rarely, or charcoal tablets from this Russian granny I know who clued me in on 'em and gave me like 100 of them, or I need to take a big dump because I ate too much meat and taters with no roughage. In which case I have some kale.

>>18216900
I love yakult so much its unreal

>>18217083
Japanese women were recruited to sell it like Avon ladies but for yogurt concentrate. It's still done that way in neighborhoods where people don't even buy it from a shop but their neighbor distributes it to them.

>>18217065
Your gut is filled with all kinds of bacteria.
The little guys are essential for health.
Always have been.
If you only eat goyslop, your good bacteria die.
Probiotics (kefir, yogurt) are filled with good bacteria.
You eat them, and it fixes your gut.
Then you feel better and maybe you stop eating goyslop too.

>>18217095
Wholesome. I drink one first thing every morning.

>>18217083
i used to drink it daily but someone told me it was pure sugar and bad for me so i stopped

>>18216900
I tried it once, it's just more expensive yogurt. I dont see whats so special about this

>>18217113
Yeah, it's the only sugary thing I eat now. They're pretty small though... 50 kcal per.

>>18217095
I would pretend to not know about how delicious Yakult is if some nice Japanese lady came to my door with a case.

I just drink it because it tastes good, people who drink/eat these kinds of foods for their supposed health benefits are morons

>>18216900
>pasteurized
nah

>>18217128
Depends on the brand
I've had a few which were like that, best to just make it yourself

If you want the real benefit it should be raw

>>18216900
>is garbage
ftfy.

>>18217270
>>18217211
where do i get the real stuff

>>18217314
it's a meme, don't listen to them. raw milk retards are basically vegan tier retardation

>>18217355
ok thanks

>>18217065
no halbo spanola

I failed a peth test because I drink so much fucking keffir and kombucha. Now I have to stop and its fucking gay.

too expensive to buy regularly, and I don't have the time to make it myself.

>>18217095
>tfw you live in a 3rd world shithole that doesn't have yogurt pyramid scheme waifus

>>18216900
>>18217018
can confirm, I got a nut infection once and had to take antibiotics to fix it, then I had horrible intestinal issues and this is what finally fixed it. I don't drink it regularly though, maybe I should?
>>18217875
don't you just like put a dirty rock in the milk and then let it sit out for a week

>>18216900
does it help with acid reflux?

>>18217875
It's a lot easier to make buttermilk and it has pretty much the same benefits. You could just mix the fresh milk with the buttermilk starter or some leftover buttermilk, then just let it sit at room temperature overnight. It doesn't have to be kept warm like yogurt and you don't have to deal with straining the kefir grains.

>>18217895
>don't you just like put a dirty rock in the milk and then let it sit out for a week
You have to strain the rock out at the end, that can be too much trouble for some.

Oh, but the real catch is it only takes a day at room temp, not a week. And you have to keep putting the rock in new milk or it'll starve and die (eventually).

One question. Will this stuff help me poop and does it taste rotten? Two questions

It tastes so yucky. Can I add it to a shake with whey and other stuff so I don't have to taste it?

>>18217968
it’s taste like sour cream in liquid form, add honey if you don’t like the taste

>>18216900
I drink pic related and enjoy it. Idk if it cures my stomach issues. I know it is good for you though.

>>18217979
yeah that doesn't sound good

>>18217071
>>18217065
>>18217895
for the record probiotics don't do shit if you don't "pre-load" with pre-biotics (leafy greens, veggies) for the good bacteria to work on. if your diet is shit, throwing a probiotic at it largely does nothing because this "good" bacteria needs stuff to feed on otherwise it won't colonize in you. i didn't know this for the longest time, it makes sense though, bacteria are alive and you feel like shit but also crave carbs and whatever because the bacteria in your gut is based on that shitty diet. I've gone through diet changes and you do start to crave sweets less due to this. There's an element of the natural gravitation to sweets and fats for survival but gut microbiota can really drive your appetite.

>>18218003
so what you're saying is
eat a salad then drink kefir milk right after

>>18218000
Ignore that retard, its like a yogurt drink with tanginess akin to a greek yogurt, maybe even less. It's pretty good

>>18218019
so like sour cream, got it

it doesnt, nor do any probiotics

stop falling for marketing and sponsored study scams

eat what makes ur gut feel good. its unique for everybody. find it out yourself, take notes in a notebook. observe. understand yourself. dont just f ucking read some pages and think oh thats how i the npc work alright. wake the fuck up, you want to feel the best possible way, invest into yourself not with money but passion and time.

>>18218003
Food probiotics don't colonize anyway. If you're lucky they will do something useful like suppress bad bacteria until you shit them out. That's it.

>>18218052
btfo homeopathy fags to reddit

>>18218031
>invest into yourself not with money but passion and time.
My passion ATM is to get rid of my stomach pain and my time is being diverted into fixing the issue at hand, If kefir will help with that then I am quite frankly investing into myself by getting Kefir to feel the best possible way and with money no less.

>>18217065
probiotics eat the food that bad bacteria eat
bad bacteria dies out, good bacteria flourishes. Probiotics need to be fed though so you eat healthy, probiotics stay active keeping your own bacteria and itself in good shape. This keeps you from having diarrhea and stops viruses and whatnot from making you ill

>>18217968
Anon if you have trouble taking a massive shit try using psyllium husks. I always had problems shitting in the morning and it stressed me out because when away it's always shitty to take a shit. I take 4 tablespoons of psyllium husk every evening and when I wake up and go on the toilet I can always take an enormous dump.

Lmao westerners b like hmm what's the recommended dose of kefir

Just drink as much as you enjoy there is no need to overcomplicate it

I prefer Kombucha

>>18217968
the low fat tastes more sour. the whole milk one has a more creamy taste with a slight tang. this is all assuming you get plain with none of the added sugar bullshit which you should be doing. otherwise it tastes like sugar

Has anyone tried water based kefir? What's it like?

>>18216900
What the fuck is with this fancy-ass packaging? Kefir is a cheap drink you get in a 1 litre carton when you're kinda hungry, why it marketed like some superfood?

We have that one brand where they show you a yoghurt advert with children playing, adults looking happy and everyone is generally having a great time while eating the product, but the message is blatantly
>if you have to fart and shit a whole lot because you destrued your digestive system, eat THIS!
but they never spell it out.

Damn, Big Dairy is going all out

>>18217895
how did your nuts get infected anon?

I never had stomach problems because I eat whole food plant based, except when I ate way too many walnuts and had to ask a friend if I was experiencing what's known as a "stomach ache" because it's entirely unfamiliar to me, having eaten high carb and high fiber my whole life, even when I was eating processed shit every day.

>>18218551
Thas the cheapest one you can get here. It’s only a few dollars and it taste like chemicals

>>18218031

after I started making kefir , one of the first things I noticed was alot of my tooth pains went away, and my teeth were beginning to feel " stronger " like they were being fortified by the calcium from the milk that I made the kefir with. I never would have been able to drink milk at all since I am part shitskin, so making kefir has helped me get vitamin D , and calcium

>>18217071
>charcoal tablets from this Russian granny I know who clued me in on 'em and gave me like 100 of them,
You don't have them? Everyone in Russia is using this shit, it's basically free in farmacies. Not sure if placebo or not, but seems to work.

>>18216900
What about kefir yogurt does it count?

>>18218019
ok that sounds decent

Yes, but will it help my pooping feel better?

>>18216900
Store bought kefir tastes like chalk and is grossly overpriced, if you're not making your own then you're doing it wrong.

>>18217314
Make your own lmao. But it depends on what milk you use, the less processed the better. If you can't get raw milk from source (farmers market) then Strauss creamery cream top one is good, though it gets pricey.

>>18217875
It takes me 10, 15 minutes work tops to make two gallons, which lasts me for well over a week. Pic related.

>>18217018
Based.

>>18217083
It's really not that good compared to natural products.

>>18218799
There's kefir and there's yogurt, there's no such thing as "kefir yogurt", it's some dumb newspeak by someone clueless who probably thinks all fermented milk products are "yogurt".

>>18218670
In b4 barnacles

>>18218891
Yes.

>>18217083
Isn't Yakult crap in reality?

>>18218898
>if you're not making your own then you're doing it wrong.
Teach me your ways, I've already experimented with making yogurt

>>18217355
Ngmi dyel

I CAN'T MAKE YOGURT IN THIS STUPID HOT WEATHER BECAUSE THE HEAT FUCKS IT UP

>>18218912
The concept of "probiotics" is complete bullshit. Your guts can take care of themselves so long as you stop pumping them full of things that harm them. Yogurt doesn't harm them so it gives the appearance that the yogurt is doing something good, when in reality it's simply not doing anything bad.

>>18217054
>is it really that simple?
It's not, I've had stomach pains and violent bouts of diarrhea for over a month, drank kefir every day for two weeks and it made no difference.

>>18219156
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3539293/

>>18219263
Studies funded by dairy companies lmao, your body knows how to take care of itself just stop putting junk into it.

>>18219269
Source: Anon

>>18219275
>I think your body is able to take care of itself so long as you don't put junk into it
>WHAT LMAO THAT'S FUCKING RETARDED
lol

lmao

>>18219283
I accept your admission of defeat.

>>18216900
The thing that fixed my stomach problems after months of heavy drinking.
Also, a special type of kefir made from a culture that was literally extracted from some infant's shit from 1899.
I think it was Bifidobacterium.

>>18219286
You have defeated me with the power of Dr Shekelberg's research paper.

>>18217895
Yeah you liley got sodium diclofenac, that shit kills yer stumach.
>source; fellow nut sufferer

>>18218912
No idea but it tastes good.

>>18219269
How can gut biome be real if our stomachs aren’t real

For me it's spaghetti, the best probiotic

>>18217018
>>18217054
Fermented foods are godly. Bacteria are our friends, Louis Pasteur's work and the resulting western societal obsession with killing all bacteria with reckless abandon has been a disaster for the human race.

>>18219283
I didn't say that at all, I only said the claim that probiotics are bullshit is retarded.

>>18219283
No one is saying that, you're generally correct that's true, but you're incorrect to downplay and dismiss the importance of gut flora and the significance of probiotic bacteria in overall gut health.

>>18218551
Because there are people who are like my mom and will not buy it if it isnt organic, non-gmo product in nice packaging. She unironically associates the quality of the packaging to the quality of the product. I have heard her call stuff “fake organic” when they look cheap.
Thank women for this shit man.

What does Kefir actually taste like? I absolutely hate the taste of Buttermilk, but I don't mind natural Greek yogurt. Would I enjoy Kefir or no?

>>18217095
Excuse me while I scream that this service doesn't exist in America

>>18217018
>have depression
>decide to take steps to "cure" your depression thus leave your state of apathy
>actimel cured me!
I'm glad it worked out but don't be retarded

>>18218898
how you make kefir? im curious

>>18219493
it's fuzzy, sour and chunky

>>18219679
>decide to take steps to "cure" your depression thus leave your state of apathy
Yeah, unfortunately that's exactly how depression works. You torture yourself with indecision and the only real solution is actually getting up and taking action, but every attempt to do that other than just doing it is a trap leading to more layers of paralyzing inability to act. So if you're convinced something that won't help in any direct way actually will the organic hope of your genuine unforced belief might be enough to make you do something instead of drowning in dead end thoughts.

>>18220482
>chunky
it sure shouldn't be...

>>18220482
>fuzzy
Uh... anon... I think something's wrong with your kefir...

>>18220482
You drank rotten dairy dude.

>>18218891
Whom is this YouTube HQ shooting semen demon

>>18218670
idk senpai I think I jacked off and didn't clear the pipes by pissing after

>>18216900
YOU SAID THAT ABOUT KOMBUCHA

>>18220562
>>18220608
fucking westerners yes kefir should be TART SLIGHTLY CHUNKY FROM PROTEIN CLUMPS AND FIZZY from fermentation

my mistake on calling the clumps protein clumps.

also kefir can get around to 2% abv

>>18220766
Yeah, fizzy. Not fuzzy. It was a joke about your typo, autist.

>>18220784
not even the same guy, privileged brainlet

>>18220794
Then maybe read more carefully before getting offended on someone else's behalf and sperging out.

>>18220695
milk kefir > sauerkraut = kimchi > kombucha > water kefir

>>18220804
since when pointing out cultural superiority is sperging out

>>18220837
Since literally forever, especially when you get offended at someone poking fun at a clear typo of "fuzzy" in place of "fizzy."

being fed kefir since early childhood makes you a gigachad

being fed soylent since early childhood makes you think im offended. also bad humor

>>18216900
Kinda want to try this now actually.
Does it have to be plain, or can I get the strawberry or blueberry flavor?

>>18220864
>also bad humor
I made myself laugh and that's all that matters.

>>18219289
Wait what the fuck?

>>18220459
>>18219070
EASY MODE:
1. Buy https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001EO69O2 , there are many starter brands but I found this to be most consistent and have best and longest lasting flavor balance.
2. Buy gallon(s) of milk. Read what I said about preferred kind, but the rawer the better. I make 2 gals at a time, mixing one gal full fat and one gal skim together.
3. Semi-optional but inconvenient without, obtain half gal glass milk bottles with reusable caps. Can just buy two with milk like the Straus ones and reuse immediately.
4. Pour milk in large pot.
5. Heat up to 28°C/82°F AS SLOW AS POSSIBLE, just use lowest flame/setting you can. Use thermometer and don't overheat it to not kill the flora already present in milk.
6. When at right temp sprinkle in the starter ONE SACHET PER GALLON. Instructions say one per quart but that's bs.
7. Let it rehydrate for a couple of minutes, then stir well (eg. with large slotted spoon) for a minute.
8. Pour inoculated milk into clean bottles; I don't bother sanitizing but wash with bottle brush and rinse with hot water very well.
9. Put caps LOOSELY on top.
10. Keep at room temperature for 24-48 hours. On hot summers (I'm in CA) it's ready within a day, when temps fall below 70°F you're looking at closer to two days, rarely more.
11. It's ready when thick enough that you can tip the bottle without it budging (see pic, some whey may separate). Close the caps firm and refrigerate. It will keep maturing slowly but can easily keep for 2 weeks.
12. Stir with chopstick or thin spoon to get first serving out, then shake bottle before pouring if you prefer it less chunky.

REGENERATING:
1. Save one cup (250ml) of kefir per gallon of milk.
2. Repeat steps above, except:
- Do not use starter sachet.
- Mix milk and kefir together before heating.
3. You can easily make 5 or more generations without new starter sachet, you'll notice the flavor profile changes as different bacteria (and sometimes, undesirably, yeast) becomes dominant.

>>18220875
buy plain and add fruits of choice

>>18217128
buy a small bottle and use it to make more infinitely

it's more fermented than typical american yogurt so you're more likely to get more of the benefits

>>18221122
>buy a small bottle and use it to make more infinitely
Wait, it's not that easy is it?

>>18221039
>>18220459
>>18219070
HARDER MODE:
Use real kefir grains. They need to be looked after and it's a lot like feeding and using sourdough starter. More work when using them too. It's more satisfying and your might grow personal attachment to your little guys, but after mine failed when I had to take a longer break I just stuck to starter powder and regenerating.
Anyway the procedure is almost the same, except you need to yank them out before your kefir becomes fully solid, which takes practice to catch the right moment that's not too soon either. A special basket helps with that, or you can just pour it through a sieve. And you need to keep feeding them fresh milk between brewings, which wastes some milk (unless you brew smaller amounts, but then you pay more for milk anyway).
The powder starter two pack I linked lasts me between 4-6 months with a few generations made from each sachet so it's not a big expense. Though grains can last forever, and they keep growing so after a while you'll have more than you'll ever need.

>>18220875
You make or buy it plain, then you can blend with fresh berries. Don't buy flavored from the store, it's sugary shit.

>>18220821
Correct, just missing pickles with sauerkraut and kimchi, and infinite >>> gap after kombucha.

>>18219493
>>18220482
>fuzzy
Fizzy, very slightly. High fizziness means too much yeast growth, but this only affects homebrewing.
>sour
Tart actually, and super refreshing when cold.
>chunky
Naturally yes, but you can just stir it mix it smooth if you prefer.

>>18217018
Yeah you never had depression.

>>18216900
My gf drinks these because of her constipation. She does big farts

>>18216900
>buying the shitty added sugar version

>>18219531
>>18217164
>>18217108
I don’t think you understand it’s a literal pyramid scheme

>>18217355
Its absolutely not a meme for kefir. Its not raw milk, it means the live bacteria that you want are killed. The whole point of drinking kefir is for the live cultures that colonise your gut. Pasturised is completely pointless unless the bacteria gives you headaches or something, you miss out on all the benefits
>>18217314
Make it yourself. Its extremely easy, just buy starter kefir grains and a jar and you are set.

>>18217875
Eh, it's not too bad if you use it medicinally and only drink a small amount each day.

>>18221162
I don't think you understand that I don't care

>>18218022
retard
no, its like yogurt. does yogurt taste like sour cream to you?
ive been drinking kefir my whole life and never understood retards who make it sound gross or something. it even has flavors.

>>18221243
>ive been drinking kefir my whole life
king

Ok, this thread made me go get some. What am I in for?

>>18221354
Basically slightly fizzy yogurt drink.

>>18221354
similar taste to greek yogurt

>>18221354
It will restore the bacterias that you nuke out of existence with diet pop

>>18221354
also if you just want stomach benefits, you can drink as much as a few oz a day. you don't need to have a big glass of it.
also the flavored ones like strawberry are damn good but i can understand if you don't want the extra sugar

>>18221432
What brand do you recommend?

I'm pretty ok with farm funk dairy, but it's nice to be able to have some flavored stuff that isn't disgustingly sweet or weird like coffee flavored yogurt or some shiet

>>18221039
ty for taking the time anon. i will save this. i buy the brand in OPs pic, but im sure it doesnt compare to homemade

>>18221354
>Got 1% instead of whole
ngmi

as for me, it can't be anything but a nice fresh glass of horse kumys running down my lips and throat

>>18221354
anon i buy the plain, but i like to add vanilla extract and honey to mine. the vanilla flavor they sell has too much sugar. i probably add half the sugar via honey per serving

>>18221530
>Russians guzzle cum, literally
Not surprised desu.

>>18221218
The original anon was talking about pasteurized milk though, not totally sterilized kefir. Kefir from pasteurized milk still has tons of bacteria.
However all store bought kefir is a bit suspect since it's basically an imitation product, just yogurt with some yeast made to taste something like the real stuff. Real kefir is made with grains and doesn't keep well enough to sell in supermarkets, not to mention the grains are basically a glob of mystery organisms, which is why probiotic diversity is so high. I'm not even sure if you'd be allowed to sell the real stuff everywhere desu.

>>18221530
On the off chance you're not trolling, do you know if commercial kumis usually overly salted like doogh? I swear, I have to go out of my way to find "lightly salted" doogh that does taste like someone dumped the whole pot of salt into it.

Ok I tried it. It was actually pretty fucking sour, way more than yogurt, but not so much I didn't like it. It was smooth, and it did make my tummy feel pretty good afterward.

>>18221510
You're welcome fren, many happy brewings!

>>18217968
if you want to shit efficiently then do wut my grandparents do and drink prune juice
in short just consume loads of fiber

>>18221159
This nigga gatekeeping being sad

>>18221419
sounds good

>>18221218
>Its absolutely not a meme for kefir. Its not raw milk, it means the live bacteria that you want are killed. The whole point of drinking kefir is for the live cultures that colonise your gut. Pasturised is completely pointless unless the bacteria gives you headaches or something, you miss out on all the benefits
vegan tier retardation

>>18221005
Yeah, it's true.
>https://www.chr-hansen.com/en/human-health-and-probiotics/our-probiotic-strains/bb-12

>>18223093
>chr-hansen
Is this entrapment?

>>18221039
>>18221130

>>18221159
Honestly depression is for people who've had semi-decent lives, when your life is bad enough, your depression completely disappears, trust me.

>>18221744
see
>>18221531

>>18217018
>>18216900
>>18217054
>have Crohns since I was 12, Now 32
>got so bad I was borderline cancerious
>no more large intestine just a poop bag
>cant eat potatos anymore, cant eat most veggies
>lactose intolerant even if I drink lactose free milk or keffir
>still get painful hard gas for 6 hours and dehydrating stools until the next day
>cant get my weight above 140

life is hard bros.

>>18224123
Unironically look into the carnivore diet.

>>18221354
>store bought
cringe. buy a culture for the same price. 2 large mason jars for fermenting (so you can cycle, one starts when the other is ready so the culture keeps eating) and some bottles or jars for finished kefir.

>>18224156
where can i buy other than amazon? i want to buy in person and do it tonight

>>18221130
Does having the grains make it taste any different compared to the powdered starter packs?
Can't seem to find any places that sell grains in my area

>>18224213
amazon is unfortunately the easiest place to buy, there are other sites that sell direct but very few places have kefir cultures you can just pick up. Buy a live starter not powdered shit.

It takes about a week to start producing but once it gets going you have more than you know what to do with. I use it in a lot of things now, you can ferment at different temps and for different times to get different consistencies though you need to watch out for imbalancing your culture if you ferment too long, did that and had to course correct awhile ago. Thick and creamy kefir can be used like creme fraiche in cooking, I'm also going to make mac and cheese with it one of these days. It's incredibly tangy and good.

I don't even give a shit about whatever muh health benefits are, it's just extremely tasty. I don't buy storebought yogurt anymore because kefir scratches that itch so much better and is extremely easy to make (yogurt isnt hard either, but kefir is braindead easy). Most of the plain strained yogurt you buys these days is fucking nonfat garbage anyways, literally worthless.

Just be sure you only feed whole milk. Nonfat or reduced fat milk is fucking garbage sugar water anyways.

>>18219486
You're incorrect in up playing it faggot.

>>18224287
thanks anon, i'll stay away from the powdered. this looks good: https://www.amazon.com/Organic-Grains-Unleashed-Thomas-Egbert/dp/B007GGRJTG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3481G1Q429ZB0&keywords=1+TBSP+Organic+Milk+Kefir+Grains+and+ebook+%E2%80%9CMilk+Kefir+Unleashed+by+Thomas+Egbert%E2%80%9D+-+Fresh+Live+Active+Probiotic+Starter+Cultures&qid=1660328352&s=grocery&sprefix=1+tbsp+organic+milk+kefir+grains+and+ebook+milk+kefir+unleashed+by+thomas+egbert+-+fresh+live+active+probiotic+starter+cultures%2Cgrocery%2C33&sr=1-2

>>18224141
what will that do for me?

>>18224389
This is the same source culture I started with a few months ago. Still producing well but it got a little yeasty for awhile.

>>18224423
It automatically cuts out all the foods you need to avoid which irritate and upset your gut without sacrificing nutrition, on top of being a generally low-inflammation diet which helps temper the chronic inflammation overall. A proper carnivore diet also includes plenty of fat which can help combat the stool dryness you experience. There are actually a lot of people out there who successfully manage Crohn's much better on a carnivore diet.

>>18224461
thing is i dont have a gut anymore. the waste goes right from my small intestine to my bag. I did find out 3 months after my surgery I developed crohns in my small intestine which is more serious.

>>18224833
Carnivore can help with that, too. Meat gets more completely digested so you'll get the most efficient nutrition possible for the shortened amount of time it spends in you.

>>18224844
Can confirm. Usually I add fruit to the diet but lately I've been full carnivore + OMAD. Despite eating a fuckton (at least I think) I only poop once every 2-3 days and even then it's pretty small. Crazy. If I include fruit or other forms of fiber it's a solid once a day. Recommend you give it a shot, but dedicate at least 30 days to it before switching back.

Kefir sold in supermarket is not real kefir. Kefir is a extremely complex matrix of different bacteria that cohexist in a very delicate equilibrium
What is sold in supermarket is just an approximation, they put the bacteria that are though to be the most important

It's really easy to do at home that should be a no brainer (it's really easy to overproduce it, so try to find the more people you can and share it)

>>18218541
I like it, the taste depends on how much you let it ferment
The more you let it ferment, the more acidic and fizzy it becomes
I make a double fermentation with the addition of some fruit juice after the first fermentation

>>18219154
Yoghurt needs constant 40C ti ferment optimally. Unless you live inside a vulcano I find it hard to believe you can't make yoghurt

>>18225212
>very delicate equilibrium
Not delicate, kefir grains are sturdy as fuck. They're wild bacteria and the grains survived for centuries. They're not gay microbes from a lab somewhere. Powdered cultures will always degrade over time until they fail, but grains are the opposite and will actually repair themselves.

>>18224844
Seconding this, meat is the ultimate fallback for gutlets. Probably because you can digest it in the small intestine and don't need help from gut bacteria at all, unlike vegetables. Simple carbs also might be okay. Normally I'd say be careful because doing this might cause you to lose the ability to digest complex stuff, but if you already don't have a colon it's probably worth it.

>>18216900
>Plain, unsweetened
Now let me guess which country this milk is from

>>18224423
Give you heart disease

>>18221129
Yes

>>18217895
>dirty rock
Not all bacteria is the same bro.

>>18221846
Prune juice is an irritant. Kefir is beneficial and helps you poop naturally

>>18218003
Wrong

>>18216900
>medicinal dairy

>>18216900
>fixes your vaginal flora problem or candidiasis

>>18228172
hot

>>18219492
I have witnessed this phenomenon with women as well. We will never accomplish anything as long as they have equal rights with us.

>>18217994
>>18216900
>organic
>probiotic
>cultured whole milk

I bet this fancy shit costs £3 as well. Just go to your local polski sklep and pick up pic related for 70p my guy.

>>18218551
Is this in rubles?

>>18219258
If you've been swimming in fresh water, get yourself to the doctor. Same thing happened to me and it was giardia. Very unpleasant but treatable and the sooner the better.

>>18221159
There's been much research in the past few years about the relationship between gut and brain health. Probiotics absolutely help.
>t. chronically depressed

>>18216900
Bros, how do you make kefir more palatable? I bought some yesterday to try and it tastes like liquid greek yogurt.

>>18228946
It basically is liquid greek yogurt. What don't you like about it? You can try ayran which is the turkish version, a lot saltier and sour. If you want to go the opposite way, you can add whole milk to it and then it's mostly a milky probiotic drink.

>>18229012
It's too sour for me. My body just wants to throw it up (I think because it knows "sour milk = bad"). I've mixed 50/50 with whole milk and that didn't help much.

>>18229427
The kind made by Cabot tastes a lot creamier than other brands I've tried. I like the sourness though so I don't buy it.

>>18228934

'probiotics' don't improve gut health.

>>18216900
I am from Russia and I drink it daily since my childhood. Never have diarrhea or bad stool. You can also drink ryazhenka (idk if it's a thing anywhere else in the world) and ayran. They're bit easier for your stomach if you have high lactose intolerance. But I personally recommend kefir.

I had ayran for the first time yesterday and it was exactly like drinking greek yogurt. I wasn't really expecting anything in particular but I was still disappointed. I'll stick with breast milk and licking ass

>>18221530
Based and kyzylpilled.
>>18221551
Don't even dare insinuate that sl*vs partake in the joys of kumys, this is for the central asian and adjacent territories of russia only (shit has no shelf life at all whatsoever so it's pretty much not exported to other regions at all).

>>18218898
>makes his own kefir
>cant make his own teriyaki
youre not so hot now are you

>>18229568
Damn

>>18228903
based fellow polski sklep goer

>>18229568
It's literally yogurt and water, what else would it have been like

>>18228903
it's gone up to £1.19 in my local, fucking inflation

>>18216900
>put fungus, bacteria, and parasites in your body
>""""fixes""""" your problem
No. Eat raw garlic and avoid that shit. Why do you think those fucking kefir and other shit is shilled so hard? If you want to then eat real yogurt like the Turks of old and Mongols did.

>>18219328
>Bacteria are our friends
This is the parasites speaking. Take your wormwood and ivermectin.

Can this stuff fix the damage done to my gut flora from extended fasting?

>>18233744
Your body is already full of vital bacterias, especially in your intestines.

>What is mutualism ???

>>18233835
They aren't vital. They're literally parasites and you've been fed lies that they help with digestion. The only thing they help with is tricking you. I bet you think toxoplasmosis gondoli is helpful too since it makes you more brave. That's the parasite speaking. Parasites are proven to affect the mind of the host.

>>18233817
what damage? fasting is usually not that bad for you, unless by "extended" you mean weeks? Or if you kept eating something bad like sugar or alcohol during the "fast".
Anyway I'd just slowly bring back your normal diet and give yourself a few weeks to recover. Probiotics could throw off the recovery.

If you can't get back to normal, then try REAL kefir (from grains not powder), starting with tiny amounts like a teaspoon. If your guts are in a bad state, real kefir could hit you like a nuke. Gram negative bacteria release some nasty shit when they die.

>>18233888
>I bet you think toxoplasmosis gondoli is helpful too
Le ebin strawman

>>18233888
If intestine bacterias were effectively affecting my mind they would at least try to refrain me from binge drinking after having had bhut jolokia sandwiches

>>18233928
No, the parasites love sugar and that's exactly what alcohol is. Your drinking problem is most likely caused by them.

>>18217095
They did the same at Mexico, I think it was when it was introduced here. I remember seeing lots of my neighbours friend's mothers selling it.

>>18216900
Same. I screwed up my guts just drinking coffee and working under stress at one point.

i hate the taste of ayran, i assume keffir is similar?
i just want to improve my gut biome, what's the best route to take in terms of flavor? i like kimchi, should i just eat a few spoonfulls of that a day?

I think what many of you had were ulcers and the acid neutralizing effect of dairy allowed it time to heal.
I experienced the same effects by simply drinking milk.

>>18235309
Do whatever you want man

>>18235309
Brined cucumbers and sausages like fuet are all made with lactobacilli too, anon.
So get a sauerkraut/kimchi + kefir + cucks + sausage combo.

>>18217018
>>18216900
cut out sugar and refined white grains if you really want to heal your gatsu

>>18219289
Need me sum dookie milk

>>18235309
>>18236024
Lactobacillus alone isn't gonna heal anything. The reason kefir is popular is because it has lots of different stuff in it. If you're a tastelet who can't stand sour tastes then I'm sure there's a version with plenty of added sugar for you.

this thread is still up wtf. i made it almost a week ago

>>18223843
*tips fedora*

>>18224220
Yes. With powder starter cultures you always get same flavor in first batch if you keep the same process; subsequent batches do slowly deviate from it but mostly in predictable manner.
Grains are wild, constantly growing and much more difficult to keep in check. Even small variations in brewing process (ambient temperature, length) or storage and feeding between brews can throw them off balance and you'll be getting different flavor in every batch.
In the beginning, especially if you bought your grains online it will take a good few weeks for them to adjust after being shipped (in very poor conditions for them) to your location (temperatures, local yeast makeup that you'll inevitably be catching in your milk, etc).
Don't get me wrong, grains and ultimately the superior method for kefir, but much more difficult and work intensive to get good and consistent results.
Also I'm very wary of buying grains online, especially from randos on amazon (like >>18224389, holy link metadata btw), all the half-assed product descriptions and seller comments don't convince beyond reasonable doubt that I'm not getting Laqueefa's cultured vaginal discharge instead.
Best bet is to ask diary and egg sellers at a farmers market, or do like a boomer and check local moms groups or something on faceberg.

>>18218541
Water kefir is to kefir what nu-metal is to metal - it's not what it's called, it's gross and tastes/sounds like shit, and it pisses me off for just existing and usurping the good name of a good thing.

>>18228903
Zajebiście.

>>18230678
I'm a busy man, can't please them all. Got a good teriyaki sauce recipe you'd like to share?

>>18238868
Well done anon.

>>18217018
sounds like you just picked up a fermenting hobby and with it, a new purpose in life, dummy retard

i might have an ulcer. kefir didn't fix

>>18240913
No duh

>>18216900
Probiotics. Trust me.
15min shits to 5 minutes minimal wipe

>>18240913
Ulcers don't exist.

ok gentlemen. OP here. i bought real kefir grains and they just came. i gotta go out and buy some mason jars and a mesh strainer and some milk. ill try to document the process and make kefir general

>>18242714
Very cool. It's easy and rewarding and you can customize it pretty much without end. Try making kombucha too if you haven't before.

>>18242714
Large hole plastic strainer from dollar store is all that is needed other than a fermenting and fridge storage container. If you like cottage cheese, let ferment until completely separated in cheesy top and whey bottom. Kefir proper is strained off right before it separates into cottage cheese top and clear whey bottom. You will need to experiment with the exact amount of solids to carry over to the next jar to get kefir at about the 24 hr mark. Hell, if you are satisfied with kefir cottage cheese, that's easy! It is a challenge to get the right amount of solid shit and milk to get a thick kefir mix at about 24h.
In a nutshell after the grains get going, it is about 1 heaping tablespoon of kefir grain sludge to 2 cups of milk for 24 hours at room temp. Store liquid in fridge, eat excess sludge.

Fresh batch coming right up!

>>18242714
Godspeed, keep us posted!

>>18221950
>buy a drink for the bacteria

>kill the bacteria
dumb bitch lmao

>>18240459
This is a pretty good summary but yemoos can ship live grains and they're pretty good imo. I would never trust Amazon for something like that, and reviving dried grains is needless hassle. Definitely find live ones whenever possible.

Also while the water kefir name is annoying, it's sort of understandable. It's still the same concept and literally everything you said applies to WK as well. Of course it's a weaker and less varied culture because the growth medium is simpler. But it's also much less fussy and doesn't involve lactose, which is a plus for bad guts that can't handle it well. And water kefir still btfos every other probiotic except for milk kefir.

>>18216900
That looks like goyslop marketed to dumb cuntoids as "healthy", and they'll slurp it up too with the fancy looking, pretty bottle. If you get a lucky batch it probably has just barely enough "kefir" so they can legally market it as such.

So what is this doing that Greek Yogurt isnt already doing?

>>18221122
can we get a tutorial for the kefir dupe glitch?

>>18218551
westoids didnt know about it until a company started selling it at wholefoods. its not part of our culture like it is for sl*vs

>>18243770
pm'd you ;)

i drank this and it gave me horrible stomach pain that lasted a week. it wasnt spoiled or anything
i have no idea why

>>18245187
Too much too fast. It didn't like some of your gut microbes and it was killing them off. If kefir hates something it's likely bad so you could probably get good results by drinking much less at a time. Maybe don't chug it.

>>18245187
Are you white? Have you tried being white?

>>18245187
you're wondering why changing your gut biome over a short period of time could be painful?

>>18243764
has more number and more variety in its probiotic content. greek yogurt is still good tho.

>>18246188
You think one glass of kefir is going to instantly change your gut bacteria and hurt?

>>18247033
Go from a normal to high carb diet to low carb and you will feel it in a day. Gut biome pain is just the die off of whatever bacteria doesn't have enough food to last.

>>18247054
That's not what I asked or what he said

>>18247033
Not surprising to me. My guts were pretty fucked, so I started with like a teaspoon per day and slowly ramped up. I actually had flu-like symptoms from it for several days and this was at most 10ml/day.
I don't know what would've happened if I'd gone straight from zero to a full cup but probably horrible suffering. Killing gut bacteria will mess you up.

>>18247082
Kefir doesn't do that buddy

>>18247074
Don't care my gut is strong and can handle things yours can't BITCH

>>18218551
its like 6 bucks for 100ml here. fucken kikes. B.C Canada

>>18247103
Ok

>>18247088
Whatever, it happened and was not subtle at all. It was real kefir though, not the store-bought stuff. I don't think it's that surprising that putting massive amounts of mystery bacteria and yeast into your guts can have an effect.
At the very least, it can't hurt to start off slow, and I'd guess mr horrible-stomach-pain-for-a-week would agree. But have it your way, buddy.

>>18247613
OK like I said kefir doesn't do that

>>18247629
Eh, things like headache, diarrhea, fever, stomach pain, chills, joint pain etc. are all pretty standard herx symptoms if you're killing off a lot of nasties. You could definitely call those flu-like symptoms. Usually you get those from antibioticss but kefir can also kill some pathogenic bacteria. Don't see what your major objection is. Probably most people are fine but things can happen.

>>18248881
OK like I said kefir doesn't do that

>>18249436
not him but you're wrong here, not sure what you have to prove. you're cancer

>>18249536
>you're cancer
Sounds like a great argument.

>>18248881
it sounds like you just got a bad batch. Probiotics are not that instant or that powerful. You're getting cultures that need to colonize first before they take over

you seem to be operating under placebo effect there

>>18251770
Probiotics from fermented food don't colonize or "settle", they aren't native to the gut. Same for most pills, if you want the effects you have to keep taking them. "Taking over" is not a thing that happens.

>>18216900
Literally just ayran but tastes like shit why is it so sour and fizzy?

>>18252510
>fermented by bacteria and yeast
>why is it so sour and fizzy?

Kefir and Ryazhenka >>>>>

>>18224220

Grains are complete dumb-fuck tier easy. You pour cold milk on top of them in the morning in a glass jar, cover with breathable cloth, when it's nice and creamy in the jar (can sort of see whey at the bottom for a good tell, whey looks like clear water spots in the thicker cream kefir), you strain out the grains and put that strained kefir in a new jar and put in fridge. Put grains back into the exact same jar, don't even have to wash that shit, and pour in new milk and repeat. It's so easy and usually takes like 24 hrs.

I dunno how anon killed his grains. Just put them in fresh milk in the fridge and they'd last ages.

>>18253345
>Ryazhenka
Never get it. But snezhok is worst.

>>18219328
>le tuberculosis is here

>>18217901
>does it help with acid reflux?

Helped with mine. If you want to add more flavor to plain kefir mix it with a little vanilla yogurt. Together they actually make a really tasty combo and you get all the probiotic benefits. Anyone new to eating Kefir I highly recommend this since it helps you adjust to the......unique taste of Kefir a lot easier than just eating the Kefir by itself.

>>18219492
It really is amazing just how incredibly fucking retarded the average consumer is. I've given up even caring about it and just focus on my own purchases as best I can, even as their buying practices make everything worse.

Is there any proof at all that the bacteria makes it past your stomach acid and actually settles in the gut though?

>>18238868
still going

>>18254274
depends what you ate before

>>18218551
:(

>>18254274

The bacteria is called acidophilus, it's literally meant to thrive in acidic environments

>>18254332
It literally means acid lover.

>>18216900
yeah, I stared drinking this instead of lidl coke zero mixed with vodka and for some reason I feel much better. I'm gonna buy now only those, how lucky there are now way more brands to choose from.

>don't have any stomach problems
EZ

>>18218789
Nobody uses activated charcoal here in the US. Nobody.

>>18254244
I honestly loved the taste from the start. I do mix it though just to change it up. It's good spiced like eggnog with cinnamon etc, the spices may cause some issues with the probiotics though, not sure.
Pure cacao is also good, normally you need sugar to cut the bitter taste, but kefir is so sour that it takes the edge off the bitter pretty well.

Vanilla is also good as is fruit puree that sweetens as well as adding some extra nutrients, as opposed to sugar which just ruins the benefits.