/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>18185392
They circled the problem in goyslop

>>18185392
Real pizza doesn't have the extra ounce of sugar that the American pizza has.

>>18185469
We dont put that much sugar in the pizza anon

"real" pizza i.e. neopolitan pizza is as common in any decent sized US city as it is in the UK/france/wherever. nowadays you can buy a home oven that gets to 900 degrees plus so it doesn't matter as much anymore

>>18185552
Red pill me on these home ovens anon

European wheat is also not dessicated before harvesting. Their pizza is superior just for this. Unless you are using 10$ organic bread flour you are not making a good pizza in this country.

>>18185601
there are a few brands by now, and cooking with each brings it's own idiosyncrasies. I have an ooni gas powered one, and you have to let it heat well before cooking and in between pizzas. The biggest difference is how you make your dough, baking is pretty easy after that

>>18185628
Ahh idk much about these and it sounds interesting. I will investigate this.

>>18185623
Probably

I mean ironically I make that shit in my backyard all the time. It's not hard, just a unique style. Massively overrated in terms of prestige, not overrated in terms of deliciousness.

>Italians cry about muh American pizza
Meanwhile in Milan…

>>18185715
>even Italy itself kneels to the Americanized pizza
Why is it so much more popular?

>>18185392
>i'm in america and i know where to acquire x
>this means x is equally available to me as it is in its country of origin
>>18185552
>i'm in america and and x product is available for purchase
>this means everyone can buy x product

it's truly fascinating how the mind of american anons on /ck/ works.

>>18185850
Yes, we can buy your cheesecrackers. Just as you can buy our actual pizza. See >>18185715

>>18185715
>>18185732
Domino's in Italy is failing spectacularly as everyone expected, no matter how they are larping with the press

The fact that a billionaire company can afford to keep open like 10 or so points it's not really a indicators of success, especially if the situation is that sad in one of the 2/3 cities where it could have had success. There are few local chains that have more restaurants in milan than what Domino's have in all Italy lol
I give them 5 years before they'll have to shut down everything. Starbuck's will follow, everytime I visited one it was a ghost town

>>18185910
>Yes, we can buy your cheesecrackers.
>>cheesecrackers
It doesn't sound like you can. Or maybe you don't know what's the texture of crackers
McPeople should stop posting on /ck/

>>18185850
it's a $400 oven, if you have a kitchen you can probably afford one. get fucked you poor faggot

>>18186039
>McPeople should stop posting on /ck/
Babidaboopies should accept that their food is better McImproved

Italians deep fry their pizza, something even fat Americans don't do

>>18186055
> Amerilards
> improving anything
lol. Everything you corn syrup niggers touch become shit for some mysterious reason.

>>18186064
It's just fried dough retard, just like donuts

>>18186064
i've had both the worst and the best pizza in italy. the thing is that pretty much every restaurant makes pizza in italy, but only a handful makes it well. i ate fucking cut up hot dogs on an undercooked oily dough ring with a pool of moisture in the middle in the heart of florence, but i also ate a wood fired margherita which was top notch.
my point is, italians do know how to make this shit, but they also don't deserve any respect because they bastardize pizza as bad as anyone else

>>18186071
And yet American versions are more popular
Very intredasting

>>18186080
In Naples, it usually has a cheese filling.

>>18186090
It has ricotta filling, but they don't make pizza and fry it like that retard was implying. >>18186064 specifically it's just fried dough with tomato, basil and cheese on top

>>18186086
It's interesting that you think that

>>18185469
So real pizza is tasteless slop. Check.

>>18186113
See you in 3 (:

>>18186055
Died.

>>18185392 do they really out margheritas on their pizza

>>18185392
similarly to how people say american coffee is shit. yeah sure you can get good coffee in the country, but the majority of it is shit.

>>18185392
Because you’re a nation of fat diabetics with no concept of food quality.
Pretty much it. That said I don’t like Italians either.

>>18186046
>get fucked you poor faggot
the national rallying cry of america

>>18186029
>The fact that a billionaire company can afford to keep open like 10 or so points it's not really a indicators of success
It’s a franchise. A dominos pizza joint doesn’t have billions in corporate reinforcement.
>There are few local chains that have more restaurants in milan than what Domino's have in all Italy lol
lol?
The real fucking lol is that dominos exists in Italy, period.
England chased out ChickFilA in almost no time because their homosexuals are beloved national treasures.
England literally cares more about the feelings of men who enjoy the dicks of other men than Italy cares about pizza.

>>18185392
Because this is the internet and even worse 4chan. Haters gonna hate.

>>18185392
The world revolves around America and every other country is just coping with that

>>18185392
Nobody says this, why are you letting imaginary garlic lickers live rent free in your head?

t. Amerishart with a passport (unlike you)

>>18185601
Fucking love mine. And I mostly don't even use it to make pizza. It's amazing for all those recipes that call for an extremely hot wood fired oven.

>>18186883
what recipes are those? desu i would buy it if it wasn't just for pizzas. it's not prohibitively expensive but it's expensive enough that i'll be mad at myself when i inevitably use it only 3 times per year since i dislike making pizzas.

>>18185392
Someone is being a mad little manlet lmao

>>18186680
>The real fucking lol is that dominos exists in Italy, period.
How so? It's not illegal to open restaurants you mongoloid, if you have money you can open anything. You have to see how they are going tho

No more than 5 days ago the Italian Domino's branch (EPizza or something like that) went to bankrupt court and they are probably going to close all the Italian restaurants

>>18187021
ooof, that is rough. dominos might be a franchise that didn't invest much in italy but op invested his heart and soul into this thread
i hope he recovers

>>18186965
Basically different types of (flat)breads and some other dishes that utilize similar doughs for me. I don't even remember when is the last time I've bought bread. My Ooni also came with some non pizza recipes but I haven't tried them.

Think traditional foods from your area, those are more likely to have been made with extremely high heat wood burning ovens. Of course it depends on the area where you live on how common such ovens were.

Eurpeens will shit on american food, but every time there's a country renowned for it's food, there's usually a mcdonalds or dominos or kfc in their country

if you hate it so much, why is it so popular where you are? why hasn't that store gone out of business????

>>18185392

Neapolitan pizzas don't have any added sugar other than maybe a pinch nor are their doughs infused in GMO corn syrup. American fast food & NYC style pizzas have very sweet dough and sauce that has loads of added sugar and preservatives while Italian pizza dough is just bread and they typically use very simple tomato sauce. A real Italian pizza tastes more like a crunchy flatbread with a thin layer of pure tomato sauce and whatever toppings are added onto that.

>>18185628
I don't like it but freely admit the water makes the difference in a lot of bread-related dishes in different regions of the USA. I don't like to admit it because we can't get the better tasting dough where I live. I never knew until I went to Italy over 20 years ago and found out what a pizza and cappuccino were supposed to taste like.

>>18187370
you have never tried american pizza.

>>18187332
so you admit mcdonald's and domino's are good representation of american food?

>>18185392
Tbqh I'm in France and most pizzas from restaurants looks like pic related, including the ones you get from italian restaurants with an italian chef speaking with an italian accent

>>18187418
have you yet enjoyed the musky scum of a french man over your face?

Tfw all the europoors itt proved op right lmao

>>18187370
its just flat bread, tomato, cheese, basil and olive oil
its not that complex
done right, it tastes nice, but its certainly not worth paying for one of those ovens (if youre poor like me)

>>18187332
Domino's in Italy went out of business a week ago actually. Starbucks are bleeding and closing at slow peace but still
The only Americans chain going strong in Italy is McDonald's. I can see also five guys and KFC could grow a lot since they offer something that is not common here

>>18185392
Nice 'za there OP. Enjoy some for me!

If margherita pizza is authentic pizza then I don't want it

>>18187805
>BABADIBOOPI WHERE DO YOU WANT TO EAT BABADIBOOPI?
>SPAGHETTI RAVIOLI COCKLICKING MCDONALD'S CARBONARA
>MARINARA WHY ARE AMERICANS BOLOGNESE?

>>18186064
There was a diners dives and drive in episode just the other day that had deep fried pizzas

>>18189073
> Corn syrup nigger having a stroke
Calm down, you probably can't afford to get sick kek

>>18189218
$50 er visit

>>18185392
Not the same ingredients. Our flour is shit for one, devoid of nutrition and fortified with excess iron. Our cheese is also lower quality and highly processed. Not fermented similarly and more of a mild taste. Do you really want to get started on our tomato sauce too?

>>18190526
>I'm unaware you can buy higher quality ingredients
That's what I read.

>>18190526
falseflagger shops only at dollar tree

>>18191063
>>18191064
What is high quality in murrika is the norm in most of the world.

>>18187386
The water thing is cope and is discredited by double blind tests. Things taste better on vacation because your brain is swimming in feelgood chemicals (or preparation method/ingredient quality), not because of the lining of the fucking water pipes ya jabroni.

>>18191077
What's norm in most of the world is being poor.

>>18191211
Many Americans are very poor. In my country there are no ghettos or trailer parks. You are rich because your elite leeches from the rest of the population.

>>18185392
Not Italian, but you have to understand their mentality. They’re very jealous and bitter people. Their country suffered major setbacks after getting their asses handed to them in WW2, their nation was in ruins after this and they were extremely poor and poverty fuelled, and so since then they’ve always been in the shadow of the other bigger and more influential western nations, like France, the UK and even their former allies the Germans. Not to mention the increasing influence of America and other nations of the world. Italy just became irrelevant. Even today they have slums in Italy still that are full of extreme poverty.

So after this, all they had left of influence was their food. It was the only thing they had left to be prideful of and so they can’t stand to see other nations take what they see as theirs and change it or make it better. They’re hanging into their last shred of dignity and relevance by playing ignorant, shouting and screaming if someone dares to cook “their” food. Of course the reality being it isn’t their food anymore and that Italian food in Italy has gone backwards, suffering from their years of poverty and that the evolution of their food has continued in much richer nations, America for instance has way better Italian food nowadays than Italy. You can also find better Italian food in France, which is the thing they hate the most. The fact that French food became the dominant force in gastronomy really gets to them. It’s sad, but that’s how it is.

>>18191226
You act like this is a bad thing. Next you'll say we should pay 50% taxes so the poors can have healthcare.

>>18191265
It is a bad thing because poor people make your community shit. If people have healthcare they can be more productive members.

>>18185392
Why do Italians live rent free in you people's heads?

>>18191299
If they don't, they can die. Problem solved.

>>18191303
But they don't die. They find some way to survive be it drug dealing or some other criminal activity.

>>18187805
Dominos is still in business in Italy and continues to be popular there despite the bluster of irrelevant assholes.

>>18191234

>So after this, all they had left of influence was their food. It was the only thing they had left to be prideful of and so they can’t stand to see other nations take what they see as theirs and change it or make it better. They’re hanging into their last shred of dignity and relevance by playing ignorant, shouting and screaming if someone dares to cook “their” food. Of course the reality being it isn’t their food anymore and that Italian food in Italy has gone backwards, suffering from their years of poverty and that the evolution of their food has continued in much richer nations, America for instance has way better Italian food nowadays than Italy. You can also find better Italian food in France, which is the thing they hate the most. The fact that French food became the dominant force in gastronomy really gets to them. It’s sad, but that’s how it is.

The best Italian chefs all leave Italy for other EU countries with better standards of living because they get paid fuck all in Italy for their trade. You can get better Italian food cooked by expert Italian chefs in Ireland than in Italy because there's high demand and thus high salaries for them compared to being paid the equivalent of minimum wage in Italy.

>>18191318
Nope, they are shutting down. Nobody likes dominos in italy despite the amount of money they threw in PR

>>18191318
https://www.foodserviceweb.it/2022/07/29/cala-il-sipario-su-dominos-italia/
> The petition for confirmation of protective measures filed last April 1 by EPizza s.p.a, master franchise for Italy of Domino's, the antechamber to bankruptcy, effectively puts an end to the Italian history of the famous American chain.

> Since July 20, all outlets have suspended operations. We are trying to gather some statements about this, but at the moment understandably all mouths are sealed.

https://www.agrodolce.it/news/fallimento-chiusura-dominos-pizza/
> Domino's Pizza goes bankrupt and closes all Italian outlets

We are all happy to give you back your shit pizza, and never come back please. That shit is good for pigs like you

>>18191234
>>18191322
This makes sense. Unfortunately they don’t realize how their behavior makes them look like turbo faggots.

>>18191063
>>18191064
>believes any US pizzeria imports their ingredients

>>18192113
>believes the holocaust actually happened

>>18185539
>We dont put that much
Putting sugar in a pizza is the first mistake you fat lard

>>18185469
>not waking up the yeast by dissolving it into water and sugar before adding it to the dough
It's like you want your dough to take all day to rise properly. Hell, it might not rise at all if the yeast in the packet had died, and you'd never know it until you go check on the dough and nothing's happened.

An ounce of sugar is way too much, but a teaspoon or two of sugar can go a long way.

>>18192113
>he fell for the terroir meme

>>18191234
This seems true.

>>18185469
>>18193254
we put in so little its imperceptible to taste, it not there to make it sweet rather its there to balance pH

>>18193807
You are retarded. Sugar has a neutral ph. It does nothing. You would have to add an insane amount of it to "balance ph".

>>18193807
Putting sugar in any non sweet food is dumb and thats why are all fat fucks

>>18185732
It's cheap as fuck and greasy and shit so it's a 'I'm making a bad choice' food

>>18185392
the sugar can make the tomato sauce less acidic
but most sauces i have seen don't have any sugar.

>>18195297
>It's cheap as fuck
its the same base ingredients you retard

>>18185469
fpbp
/thread

>>18191102
100% not a cope. Also water on vacation doesn't taste good, it always tastes like shit because I have amazing water.

Oh look the bottled chili con carne brigade is out in full force again, tonight.
>Fresh buffalo mozzarella (max a day old)
>Volcanic soil tomatoes
>Fresh basil from Pra
>Flour from a stone mill, mechanically operated
Yes yes, we have all that in every Walmart in the US! Shoo shoo, hurry to Google for your next cookbooks, Ragusea and Weissman.

>>18191302
it appears my superiority has led to some controversey

>>18196809
There’s a lot of Chinese in Italy. All of the “made in Italy” designer clothes and shoes are actually made by Chinese. It’s also why they were one of the first places to face a bad Covid outbreak.

>>18197133
italy is european china
>likes garlic and noodles
>locals cant communicate with each other
>had an ancient empire

>>18186083
If you went to a restaurant in city center there's a 90% chance you stumbled in a tourist trap owned by some Turkish immigrant that sells mostly microwaved or shit tier food fit for a crappy kebab shop.

>>18197144
Italians barely use garlic. Even when they use it, they use it sparingly.

>>18187332
McDonald's in Italy serves fairly high quality Italian coffee and things like brioche. Burgers are much higher quality as well and the local variants include interesting stuff. Having tried McDonald's in many European countries, France and Italy have the best one. The best American franchise I've ever had is Popeyes in Spain, now that is some delicious food.

McDonald's changes a lot from country to country, it doesn't really indicate much.

>>18197246
i love garlic though

>>18197144
I've been all over Italy and have never seen garlic used much at all. Where does this meme come from? Diaspora?

>>18185392
pizza was invented in Brooklyn, not Italy
the pizza I had in Italy was honestly pretty shit desu. The rest of the food was great, though

>>18191322
I lived in Ireland for a bit and tried Italian food there and it could be good, but never really great. Ireland is a piss poor example, Irish have no idea how to cook and won't have the same expectations as a restaurant in Italy. Even in France a country that is excellent with food has some terrible Italian food. Cuisines rarely export well, you probably haven't tried or lived in Italy to make a bold claim like that. It's even rarer to see regional cuisines abroad. Come back when you can find 20 regional toma cheeses in Ireland that you could by shopping in random places in Piemonte. Or anything local like plin or tapulone.
t. have an Italian gf and have lived there on and off

I'm genuinely starting to think burgers have a weird inferiority complex with food.

>>18197280
t. went and ate at a tourist trap operated by Ahmed and his 7 uncles, now thinks he knows shit
But no, seriously, you won't find good shit in very touristic bits. Plus there's different types of pizza, not all of it is Napoletan.

>>18186055

>>18197298
>his national cuisine jobs to ahmed and his 7 uncles
lel

>>18197275
Once Italian immigrants reached America they realized they now had a abundance of ingredients and could make their favorite dishes they way they wanted to like covering the whole pizza with cheese instead of just a few random spot and garlic was cheap so they could add much more of it.
Pretty much the same story with all immigrants, when they get here they change their dishes

>>18197264
Tanned skin looks dirty ._.

>>18199664
That doesn't explain why they choose to make shit dough tho.
Amerilards being fat asses with child palette and not having access to quality ingredients actually explain it better

>>18199991
it does you just have shit reading compression
Americans didn't make it that way, actual fresh off the boat Italians made it that way for them selves because thats what they wanted

>>18199859
she's swarth you just have to deal with it

>>18200249
> it does you just have shit reading compression
It sounds more like you are retarded
> because thats what they wanted
More like because that's what they could do with the low quality ingredients the country offered them
Immigrant are, by construction, the last chosen player aside from very few exception and people who were already rich, the good ones didn't have to leave their countries
America is basically a modern Australia, just with low iq loosers instead of convicts
That explains a lot actually

>>18186190
murican unable to eat anything not atleast 15% sugar

>>18186039
>McPeople should stop posting
no more needed

>>18193298
It's not about doing it fast when it comes to pizza, it's not a fucking one night stand. The dough needs atleast 48 hours to be Napolitano style. A good pizza stands and falls with the dough. A shit dough makes a shit pizza even though the toppings are top notch. A good dough makes for a good pizza even when the toppings aren't that good. That gladly isn't often the case, and a good dough gets together with top tier toppings, simply because of the amount of work has gone into forming the perfect dough.

Many Italians just can't do that, even though the invented it. I mean it says a lot that i ate the best pizza I've ever tasted in Thailand from some kinky Italian dudes that like their spaghetti sucked every other day from Thais. Meanwhile on many vacations to Italy you often only get mediocre pizza at best, sadly.

Italian people are such a circus. Thousands of years of lively history, culture, music, the roman empire - and all they're known for today is crying like babies on the internet over split noodles and peasant pizza. I can't even think of anything more pathetic. The irony of course is that as much as they cry about dish purity, we have everything they have in Italy, most of the world does. The age of regional dishes stopped existing a century ago, you can travel to almost any country on earth and find authentic cuisine from any other part of the earth. You can live in the middle of nowhere flyover territory in the USA and still find an italian owned pizza shop that does it all from scratch.

B-BUT THE AMERICANS, THEY BOOPITY BOPPITIED THE BIPPITY BOOPITY - imagine being *talian lmao, or even worse, imagine behaving like that on the internet because you think it makes you cultured and you're not even *talian, what an absolute circus

>>18200680
why is it allowed to make fun of italians

>>18200700
Because most are smaller than 6", have a tiny farfalle and they are overly autistic about their cuisine.

>>18200726
i am nice though

>>18200734
And I believe you. Why take it personally it's not like you cover the whole Italian population. I'm not mad when /ck/ makes fun of my people because i know deep in my heart that some of that is true.

>>18200598
>Immigrant are, by construction, the last chosen player aside from very few exception and people who were already rich, the good ones didn't have to leave their countries
>America is basically a modern Australia, just with low iq loosers instead of convicts
Whew that's a whole lot of cope and seethe

>>18200754
i just get mad when i see everyone say italy is just food because i know it's not true

>>18200627
>europoor unable to afford sugar or corn syrup

>>18193807
This anon is right for the wrong reasons.
You put a bit sugar to make it taste a bit sweeter than normal bread. There are different amount of sugar for different kind of pizza.what americans call sicilian pizza has actually sugar in it as it is a different dough recipe than neapolitan pizza. In Sicily what you call sicilian pizza is called pizza al taglio and uses the same dough as local cheap food like dog rolls or ravazzate.
t. sicilian

>>18191234
>better italian food in France
This is hilarious, and if it could happen it's because they are italian immigrants.
I am not denying the general sense of your discourse: Italy is still a feudal society and in feudal societies honour is the only thing that count for people to have self fulfillment and a sense of power. That is why modern italians are so anal about food and as an italian myself I totally support you lads making fun of this pathetic attitude. This is something typical of medieval societies as Huizinga stated decades ago. But the french make better italian food meme is totally made up lel

>>18201049
Peak Italian food was made in the USA.

>>18200680
>I can't even think of anything more pathetic.
It could be worse. Imagine being american and being known for being morbidly obese, having worse than a 3rd world grade school system, not being able to afford healthcare, being the birthplace (or at least the center) of modern gender shit and pronouns, paying black dudes for something happened like 200 years ago and licking their boots and shitting their pants in wallmart and talking like you have dicks in your nostrils
that's a destiny worse than death to me

>>18201049
>t. falseflagging

>>18201610
Imagine being American and knowing that you're so awesome that you're constantly in poor people's thoughts.

Italy shouldn't even be allowed to claim pizza. It's purely a product of Naples.

Modern pizza was probably invented in the mid 1700s in Naples, Spain.
By the time Italy took control of Naples, pizza had already spread.

>>18185392
>Why do Italians in Europe act like we don't have this in America.

it's because Europeans since the 90s and 2000s have actually become more retarded than Americans, just in different ways. They believe everything they see on TV, and they think the USA is still what it was in the 1980s and early 1990s. They literally cannot fathom that the USA has changed drastically from 1990 to today. The idea that America has undergone more changes from 1990 to today than from 1950 to 1990 simply does not compute with them, even though it is true in a variety of ways.

It's the same conversation when you talk to a European about beer. They'll always say, "HA, you Americans drink light beer that tastes so bad you have to keep it cold just to make it drinkable. In Europe we have full bodied beers from GERMANY and BELGIUM and they're so good and full of complex flavors that you would totally blow your little American mind....heh, you don't even know what real beer actually is, kid".

That's literally what they think. They think it's 1985 and we only drink Budweiser or Bud Light. If you try to explain to a European that America has had microbreweries since the late 1980s and that in the past 35-40 years literally thousands of breweries have sprung up doing all sorts of different beers from IPA to Lagers to Hefeweizens to Stouts their brains will short circuit. If you go further and explain we even have kinds of beer they don't have in Europe, like Sour Beers or Pumpkin flavored beers or Beers that are infused with honey from bees that only pollinate blueberry plants they will become absolutely irate and despondent, like Luke Skywalker when he found out Darth Vader was his father.

>>18202675
It's basically what this anon said about Italy, but it applies to all Europeans >>18191322

The truth is that average European cuisine is usually better than average American cuisine, at least as far as ingredients are concerned. But higher tier American cuisine, like your hipster farm-to-table restaurants, are usually much better than anything you'll find in Europe, with perhaps the exception of top-tier Michelin star restaurants in France and Spain. Europeans won't even allow themselves to think about how much American cuisine has improved over the last few decades because their formerly higher quality culinary culture was the one thing they could lord over us after we saved their asses in WWII

>>18199251
It's more like they are unscrupulous enough to run shitty tourist traps. Here's a hint, if you're in a restaurant and the clients aren't mostly Italians, you're probably walking into a tourist trap with awful food.
>>18199664
That doesn't really make any sense. Things like garlic don't seem expensive, it's the meat that lots of poor people missed, especially the generation that lived through WW2. Even then it depends where in Italy, the northern part eats a lot of meat. I genuinely think it's some sort of a meme with no basis in Italy. Otherwise in Italy people would using garlic everywhere. You realise that it is a very wealthy country, do you?
>>18200671
See my comment above for tourist traps. Somehow I've only had excellent pizza because my girlfriend is an Italians. The only pretty bad pizza that I've had was actually from a shop catering to Germans and the Swiss next to Orta lake. I genuinely can't take these comments seriously when it hasn't been my experience at all. The best pizzeria I know is just outside Arona in a horrible spot for a restaurant, but it is always packed to brim and has a 2 hour rule for bookings (which pisses a lot of people off). My point is, you need to know where to go, and in my experience most places around the typical vacation spots (not travelling; theme park for foreigners) are pretty bad.
>>18200680
How many Italians do you knos irl lmao. >>18202679
Russia fought and won that war, Anon. And for half of the Europe there was a different outcome in that war too for the same reason.

I genuinely doubt that, such wide statements are never useful. Best restaurants in the world are in US? Based on who? You understand that in London they have great restaurants too, even if the average bong eats like shit and generally has a poor diet.

>>18202736
>Russia fought and won that war, Anon. And for half of the Europe there was a different outcome in that war too for the same reason.
>I genuinely doubt that, such wide statements are never useful. Best restaurants in the world are in US? Based on who? You understand that in London they have great restaurants too, even if the average bong eats like shit and generally has a poor diet.

Okay well Russia and the USA, either way it meant that after WWII the average Euro had nothing they could claim to be superior beyond their gastronomy. Ironically the only country that could claim anything was Germany with their manufacturing prowess.

> Best restaurants in the world are in US? Based on who? You understand that in London they have great restaurants too, even if the average bong eats like shit and generally has a poor diet.

I'm not necessarily saying that the absolute greatest restaurants in the world are exclusively in the USA. I'm just saying that on average, the higher tier restaurants in the US are better than your typical high tier restaurants in Europe. If anything I'd say those good restaurants in London are more like the good restaurants in the USA than they are compared to anything on the mainland european continent.

Basically if you go to some high tier restaurant in the US ran by competent people, a place where you have to spend at least $20 on a meal, it'll be way better in terms of ingredients and preparation than anything in Europe for 20 euros.

This isn't like a hard and fast rule, just that American cuisine has improved drastically in the last 20 years. There's a reason why Applebee's are going of business and farm-to-table restaurants are proliferating. Americans have developed refined tastes, perhaps more refined than the average euro

>>18185392
Because you don't understand what makes pizza great. It's mainly the baking. It's like fresh bread made with care. Very nice and the ingredients are just a plus.

>>18193298
I dissolve yeast in warm milk with a spoon of sugar and flour mixed in.

>>18185392
Real neapolitan pizza is everywhere around the world nowadays, look for AVPN pizza places

>>18202675
> Europeans became more retarded than Americans
This is the most retarded post itt
> Pumpkin flavored beers that are infused with honey
*with corn syrup mixed with honey.

>>18203290
To be honest caring about beer is very gay. When have you seen a guy that cares about this shit and doesn't look like a millenial soiboy caricature? You know the type to call beer "hoppy", etc. What are you gay?

>>18202763
Europe was manifacturing and still manufactures lots of shit, nevermind doing a lot of research. EU put together has more manpower than USA or anything else in the world. What on earth are you on about? Italy specifically manufactures a lot of shit. There's lots of research there too, specifically some of the best business and economics schools are in Italy.

I think you're just going by experience and it's a very generic marker. For me the best restaurants were in France. But even then the average meal and food quality matters more. Like you don't need to spend a fuckload to eat good quality food. Pasta from Eurospin, ultra budget store, in Italy, costs very little, but is on the same tier of quality as Barilla (they're made in the same factory supposedly, so mark up is all brand name). But to buy good pasta abroad you're already spending 3-4x the normal price. Average person knows lot more about food. In UK all you see in cheddar and some import cheeses. Meanwhile a small, shitty overpriced carrefour or pam in Italy has at least 30-40 cheese varieties. It makes a huge difference. In UK and Ireland I was constantly aching for good food, in Italy or France its just so easy to buy inexpensive salame and cheese with good wine less than 10 per bottle and enjoy food like a glutton. You cannot suffer in those countries. Plus the women, architecture, drink, weather, nature... It really is something else.

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>Americans have developed refined tastes, perhaps more refined than the average euro
To add, I think this is laughable. In Piemonte alone you have like 100 cheese and wine varieties. People actually know which shit is good and isn't. Ordering food in Italy is like having an argument, which drove me nuts as a foreigner. Meanwhile the average burger I've ran into has eaten all kinds of shit and has only talked of good food in boomer memes, like "Mediterranean flavours", whatever the fuck that is. Nigga average Euro absolutely knows food better than American. But its not a fair comparison as Euro food changes more drastically than anything in US, compare Spanish to Polish. America is also a very young country, some things I think just get refines because people grow autistic over specific foods and refine them over centuries of autism and elitism.