/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17448084
they are contrarians
also butter and meat are manly

>>17448084
>Dietetic Association
>Science
Congratulations on coming out as an imbecile anon

>>17448084
>wikipedia
>hard science

>>17448084
>doesn't confer any particular health benefits apart from weight loss
>treats epilepsy
Bad writing. Needs more weasel words to achieve its goal without contradicting itself.

I like how they conveniently ignore autophagy.

The gay and retarded foundation has come out against keto. The science has spoken and may never be revisited under penalty of death

>>17448084
potential alzheimers treatment
>The use of ketoneurotherapeutics proved effective in improving general cognition using the Alzheimer's Disease Assessment Scale-Cognitive, in interventions of either duration. In addition, long-term ketogenic therapy improved episodic and secondary memory. Psychological health, executive ability, and attention were not improved. Increases in blood ketone concentrations were unanimous and correlated to the neurocognitive battery based on various tests. Cerebral ketone uptake and utilization were improved, as indicated by the global brain cerebral metabolic rate for ketones and [11C] acetoacetate. Ketone concentrations and cognitive performance differed between APOE ε4(+) and APOE ε4(-) participants, indicating a delayed response among the former and an improved response among the latter. Although research on the subject is still in the early stages and highly heterogeneous in terms of study design, interventions, and outcome measures, ketogenic therapy appears promising in improving both acute and long-term cognition among patients with AD/MCI.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32597927/

>>17448084
>low-carbohydrate dieting confers...weight loss
>the British Dietetic Association naming it one of the "top five worst celeb diets to avoid"
What a curious verdict!

>>17448084
the optimal diet for diabetics
>Reducing overall carbohydrate intake for individuals with diabetes has demonstrated the most evidence for improving glycemia and may be applied in a variety of eating patterns that meet individual needs and preferences.
https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/42/5/731/40480/Nutrition-Therapy-for-Adults-With-Diabetes-or

>be ketolard
>wake up
>heart attack
>walk to kitchen
>eat 3 pounds of bacon
>drink the grease
>second heart attack
>go on 4chan and post an article about how ketosis can be used to treat epilepsy (that means it can basically cure anything)
>take nap because shitposting is a high intensity workout for ketochads
>woken up by nearly choking to death on own spit
>eat lunch of mayonnaise, raw chicken and bacon sandwich on the toilet (NO FUCKING BREAD THATS UNHEALTHY)
>fall asleep on toilet
>wake up in ambulance to sound of paramedics defibrillating me
>complain to hospital staff that there's no keto-friendly foods in the cafeteria
>threaten to sue
>update keto blog and youtube channel about how you totally owned some soypilled ketophobes
>roll home
>20 eggs fried in beef tallow for dinner
>repeat

>>17448275
well no duh, carbs are sugar

>>17448299
rent free. you need a new hobby moxyte

>>17448299
vegan hands risked several bone fractures typing this

>>17448084
They're annoying contrarians who refuse to obey eminently qualified dietetics, just ignore them. Everyone else knows that following the experts won't let you down.

>>17448369
>eminently
i prefer evidence not eminence. try thinking for yourself for a change

>>17448303
>letting a random redditor live rent free in your head so badly that you accuse anons on 4chan of being him by name
Kelard schizophrenia

>>17448407
keto improves schizo symptoms ;)

>>17448399
There's a lot of stuff to know. You really think you can know the evidence for everything first hand? And you have to live, eat, breathe, work right now. It's not like you can afford the time to read everything before you do anything.

>>17448429
exactly why its for cuckold pedos

what's the best way to spell butter?

the dietician fears the keto diet because it's the only meme diet that actually works

>>17448459
ignore everything other than clinical trials. there ive just eliminated 90% of the noise

>>17448084
boy, I sure do love insulin

>>17448302
and how do you think you get diabetes in the first place?

>>17449002
anon I'm agreeing with you, I'm just letting you know what you said was damn obvious

>>17448084
Hey OP, why does the ketogenic diet work against epilepsy?
Think it might have a neurologic effect?

>>17448299

>>17448369
What the fuck is a "serving" meant to be anyway? I eat 3 meals a day, and according to that pyramid I should be having on average 7 "servings" of food per meal? It's so arbitrary and doesn't translate to real use cases at all

>>17448084
>Why do health fags continue to reject hard science?
You mean the hard science that says while complex carbs are generally okay all the HFCS and sugar you inject is probably the worst dietary option?
Most 'ketards' I've bumped into don't really care carbs like potatoes and stuff but instead just want to try and eliminate overly processed sugars.

>>17448369
But what if I did this exact same meal plan but cut breads, cereals and grains out. What am I missing nutritionally speaking?

>>17449783
>What am I missing nutritionally speaking?
Your 6-11 daily servings of grains obviously

>>17448084
>using Wikipedia
>2022
Why don't you actually try it for yourself and realize how wrong/retarded you are?

Oh right, because you're a subhuman bugman without consciousness.

>diet and excercise
>or just eat cheeses and meats
the question should be why don't more people lean keto

>>17449737
>servings
Thought it meant 100 calories. This is based off very hazy memorIes of health class from 20 years ago tho

>>17449783
Uh bro you just need your grains. You do want to support American farmers right? Youre not a fucking commie right? Now eat your cereal that's the start of a healthy day

>>17448261
It confers weight loss because any diet that restricts your calories confers weight loss. If you ate 1500 calories of table sugar daily, or drank 1500 calories of canola oil, you'd (probably, assuming your TDEE is around 2000cal) lose weight.

>>17450410
Yeah. The benefits exceed simple weight maintenance. You will be epigenetically optimized.

>>17450414
Will my chakras be aligned and my almonds activated?

>>17448084
Keto is shrinking my wife's ass. Sure, she smells like a barnyard, but the less shell I have to deal with to get to the clam the better, so shut up.

>>17450410
Cool. Do hormones mean nothing in terms of weight loss? Is there any weight loss difference from your body using ketones 24/7 for energy?

>>17450435
Given how your body needs a certain amount of protein there has to be weight loss differences in cuts that meet that threshold or dont

>>17450435
Not really. Your body is a very finely honed machine designed to get as much as possible from the food you give it, no matter the circumstances.

>>17448084
Five medications have evidence for long-term use orlistat, lorcaserin, liraglutide, phentermine–topiramate, and naltrexone–bupropion.[201] They result in weight loss after one year ranged from 3.0 to 6.7 kg (6.6-14.8 lbs) over placebo.[201] Orlistat, liraglutide, and naltrexone–bupropion are available in both the United States and Europe, phentermine–topiramate is available only in the United States.[202] European regulatory authorities rejected lorcaserin and phentermine-topiramate, in part because of associations of heart valve problems with lorcaserin and more general heart and blood vessel problems with phentermine–topiramate.[202] Lorcaserin was available in the United States and then removed from the market in 2020 due to its association with cancer.[203] Orlistat use is associated with high rates of gastrointestinal side effects[204] and concerns have been raised about negative effects on the kidneys.[205] There is no information on how these drugs affect longer-term complications of obesity such as cardiovascular disease or death,[5] however, liraglutide, when used for type 2 diabetes, does reduce cardiovascular events.[206]

The most effective treatment for obesity is bariatric surgery.[6][23] The types of procedures include laparoscopic adjustable gastric banding, Roux-en-Y gastric bypass, vertical-sleeve gastrectomy, and biliopancreatic diversion.[201] Surgery for severe obesity is associated with long-term weight loss, improvement in obesity-related conditions,[207] and decreased overall mortality, however, improved metabolic health results from the weight loss, not the surgery.[208] One study found a weight loss of between 14% and 25% (depending on the type of procedure performed) at 10 years, and a 29% reduction in all cause mortality when compared to standard weight loss measures.[209] Complications occur in about 17% of cases and reoperation is needed in 7% of cases.[207]

>>17449783
all those essential carbohydrates, of course.

>>17449822
>>17450338
>>17451229
based no-fibre no-legume no-trace-element no-phytochemical dietposters, shitting more than once a week and living past 70 is for virgins

>>17448369
>TRUST THE SCIENCE

Ketolards are afraid of fruit and veg. Ignore them.

i don't believe life should be simply a contest to see how long you can continue to exist for, at some point you have to ask what purpose your continues existence serves. life is finding a balance between sticking around to enjoy more of it and actually enjoying it in the first place. so no, i won't deny myself all of the things i enjoy in the hope that i will live to be 100 if every day of it is another exercise in robotically eating based on a table of values just to eke out my miserable existence for another day. equally, i won't spend my days shoveling takeout pizza, fried chicken and soda down my gaping maw and die at 40, morbidly obese and shitting myself in a diabetic coma. balance in all things.

>>17448084
>according to brit shits

Don't care faggot

>>17451272
kys you contrarian child

>>17451354
Enjoy your first heart attack at 40

>go to ketolard subreddit
>search "poop", "constipation", or "not working"
>laugh ass off

>>17448084
>British Dietetic Association
>science

>>17451251
Legumes aren't grains retard. Potatoes and beans are in the vegetable group, there's even a potato illustrated there for brainlets like you. Grains are just calorie filler.

so much seething about keto because it's the best diet

>>17451388
Yeah lots of them havent taken the nofiberpill yet

>>17448182
Idk about keto, just eat a balanced diet of quality food, but certainly you should fast sometimes for the autophagy. Deeply ancient practice, good for physical and spiritual

>>17451449
>nofiberpill
Cringy kid.

>>17448084
If (IF) it's done properly, it's easier to lose weight on a ketogenic diet without completely fasting (yay temporary mild hypoglycemia), but it can really fuck up your mood and mental clarity (yay temporary mild hypoglycemia).

>>17451378
i'm 50, so the odds of me suffering a heart attack at 40 would seem to be pretty fucking small.

>>17451489
Yeah I know you are

Heh

>>17451354
Ok fatass chud

>>17451530
Moderately fat-assed. Moderately chudly. Balance in all things.

>>17448299
sounds like a strong lad to be able to live such a life

The only diet that has ever allowed test subjects to eat as much as they want and still lose weight is a while food vegan diet. Keto-tards thinks that fat is satiating which it is but is also extremely dense in calories. My mother is on this diet right now and has lost 5 pounds of weight in two weeks, and this is isn't water weight like every low carb dieter experiences. I make this 100% whole wheat bread that's like a brick. It's got so much fibre in it my mother feels satiated for lunch with a small sandwich. Fibre and foods that are high in water content are key to losing weight and making one feel satiated. It's almost impossible to get fat eating brown rice and beans and vegetables with no oil added.

>>17451568
Based I wish my mom was alive so I could trick her into a gallstone causing diet

>>17451568
For me, its getting sick or ulcer. Nothing like losing weigh when you're trying to lose weigh on a diet but get sick as a result and lose 10 pound due to your sickness

>>17451530
lol >>17451545 wasn't me. 6' 2", 190 so no, not a fatass. sorry to dispel your myth that eating butter and eating a big mac with a coke classic from time to time will instantly give you the beetus and leave you looking like nikocado avocado. you sound to me like someone who has no impulse control and so cannot understand what balance actually means. clue: don't eat unhealthy shit all the time

>>17451579
>Gallstones caused by excess cholesterol
>Literally eating a cholesterol free diet
Lmao brainlet

>>17450410
>It confers weight loss because any diet that restricts your calories confers weight loss. If you ate 1500 calories of table sugar daily, or drank 1500 calories of canola oil, you'd (probably, assuming your TDEE is around 2000cal) lose weight.
but you would run into severe health issues due to lack of any and all macro and micro nutrients vitamins and minerals.

>>17451668
Yeah no one pretends this would be healthy.

>>17450338
Most farm subsidies in the US go to meat/dairy/egg producers.

>>17452109
I would have thought corn.

EAT THE BEEF
DRINK THE MILK

>>17451668
That's the point. To say that keto confers weight loss does not mean it's healthy or a good diet, so the argument behind >>17448261 is wrong.

>>17453352
What is a good and "healthy" diet?

why are itoddlers like this

>>17453407
It depends

>>17453407
Modified Mediterranean Diet (if you actually follow a well-specified variant instead of just making shit up based on what you'd put on a pizza) is a good starting point for a diet without a weight loss focus.

If you want a specifically low-carb weight loss diet that's not keto, the CSIRO has one that's around 15% carbs and is pretty good. There's no evidence that such a diet will help you lose weight or lower your blood pressure better than any other diet, but it can control glycaemic variability a little better.

It depends on you, as well. What do you want out of a diet? Are you overweight, an athlete, diabetic or pre-diabetic, do you have other relevant conditions?

>>17453407
Keto

>>17454825
Shut the fuck up nigger, I will find and kill your mother in her sleep tonight whether or not you reply to this post.

>>17454838
Disgusting no life greasy gingivitis breathing pube face low credit score having clenis. Worthless shit drip Boogie2988 looking chomo sapien. Fuck outta here

>An extreme form of low carbohydrate diet called the ketogenic diet was first established as a medical diet for treating epilepsy.
It was established as that and doctors considered it quack bullshit for decades until a Jewish Hollywood director made a TV show that said keto cures epilepsy and medication isn't needed. From there it turned into Americans convincing themselves that they're fat because they're not eating enough fat (despite eating more fat and fewer carbs than any other continent on the planet)
Americans are so stupid you wouldn't believe it.

>>17454838
sneed, fag

>>17450410
Neither of those two are fit for human consumption

>>17455170
Neither is keto.

>>17448369
That pyramid looks suspiciously fucked

>>17455157
Yah, Americans eat more "vegetable oil" compared to other nations. Fucks up your omega 6:3 ratio

>>17455279
Why?

>>17448299
>be ketolard
>wake up
>heart attack

My mom and stepdad are actual ketolards
They've been at it for 2 years and are still fat

>>17456966
keto reverses all the heart disease risk factors

>>17448084
keto is bullshit
however,
all nutrition science is worthless nonsense

OP really triggered ketlards ITT. Ketlards can be triggered by 4 letters: CICO. It's perfect. Not only does it show them the facts, but also reminds them that they are fatties with 0 self control and need a fad diet that allows them to eat all the processed lunch meat and cheese they want while still losing some weight (but only because they can't keep up the same caloric intake without sugar). Pic related, the average ketlard.

>>17457361
low carb increases expenditure