/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17114101
lol

>>17114101
Cheese, gromit

>>17114101
Before the refridgerator was invented they usually had somewhat insulated wooden cupboards that they filled with Ice they bought.

And Before that, they probably stored it in Cold water from the well or something like that.

>>17114101
You could put the milk in a bottle and then store it in a small stream. They're usually pretty cold.

in the upper cumberland area in tennessee, villagers would keep their milk cool by storing them in buckets at the very top of a waterfall

>>17114101
Oh boy.... bruh.. I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry you don't know...

So many things to be learned.
...its actually sad.

>>17114101
who do you suppose invented ice? or cold water? what do you think they did before some genius invented ice?

>>17114101
They sucked it right from the cows udder

cheese
yogurt
baked goods
sometimes in a waterproof container stored in a lake or bog

iceboxes were also a thing for wealthier households

>>17114101
This video should explain most of your doubts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNuxAmJd4qU

>>17114208
Nice.
That's what they used. It wasn't until the Haber-Bosch process was invented to extract the nitrogen (N) from it, so they could finally have some fresh ice.

In the earlier parts of the 20th century, in the US, you had daily delivery of milk in the morning from the dairy. Boomers will still remember this.

Only milk what you need for the day. Milk my penis please.

>>17114101
that's exactly why people started making yoghurt, cheese and other stuff from milk, so that they can preserve it for later

they cooked it

>>17114101
PUT IT IN A LEATHER SACK
HURMMMMMMMMMMMMMA

>>17114257
i-it's big...

>what is cheese

>>17114101
Butter

in Mesopotamia they discovered dome buildings that we?suspect they would fill with ice to cool down rooms. Fast forward a thousand or some odd years and the first ice box gets invented. This is ages after the medieval era. No one was taking out a cold one in Ancient Rome either

>>17114101
that pic is not from bible black 2. i forget the hentai but its a bunch of brown elf girls getting raped constantly.

>>17114524
Where did they get the ice?

>>17114527
Kuroinu

>>17114529
the freezer

>>17114530
thats the one. i just watched the first episode again right now. honestly i was just interested in the plot, not really in fappin mood. Bolt or Volt or whatever is a chad, i hope he stays in power and doesn't die or anything.

>>17114101
In my grandfather's rape there was a hill with a large groove in it. This groove collected a large amount of snow during the winter, and shielded it from the sun in spring, providing a huge snowbank that lasted until Midsummer. The hamletfolk used to keep their milk in there in tanks and the cold kept it from spoiling. This was a great luxury in those times, and allowed them to have fresh milk out of season.

>>17114529
walked north a few thousand miles, duh

>>17114529
Go to the mountains, chop a yuj ice block, wrap it in straw, carry it to the ice pit.

>>17114101
i've spilled so much semen to this

>>17114615
do people really jerk off to cartoons ? I have been here for forever and still find hard to believe it.
You can dobetter anon

False window in the coldest part of the house

>>17114101
>ye olden day before the refrigerator
that's not a very specific time period.

>>17114463
The first person that invented cheese was brave.

>>17114101
you'd drink it day of, and preserve the rest as cheese, butter, or cultured cream

>>17114208
prior to modern refrigeration tech the preferred way to have ice in the summer was to cut big blocks of it out of lakes in the winter time and store them in piles under sawdust in a specially-constructed barn

>>17114713
imagine being the genius who decides to cut some frozen water out of the lake and store it in your barn to keep the milk fresh
>Yo is that milk? How the fuck did you get that, I thought we milked the cow over a week ago?
>Haha yeah I just invented this shit called ice, find a lake and wait for it to get really cold bro it keeps your shit fresh for like twice as long

BIG BOOCKS OF ICE STORED IN BIGGER BALES OF HAY. CHRISTIANS BALES SO THEY WERE PRETTY RIPPED TOO.
and also underground because bats survive at a lower temperature than milk does

Fffffffff

>>17114246
The milk man fucking stay at home wives was definitely a thing

>>17114760
what's with 4channelers and their disposition towards cuckoldry?

>>17114713
I think I remember that described in a book. Might have been Walden.

Still, did they have a lot of frozen lakes in Mesopothamia even in Winter?

They didn't store it, they processed it into different foods like cream and butter, to which salt could be added to extend its shelf like to weeks.

>>17114724
>I thought we milked the cow over a week ago?
Cows are milked daily.

>>17114826
not theirs dumbass

>>17114101
butter and cheese

if the town had a warlock, he would make a deal with a demon to protect the food
in exchange, nobody was to ask questions when the slow children went missing

this is how the salem witch trials began

>>17114763
Deepset insecurity

>>17114529
they prayed for it

>>17114117
How the fuck did people buy ice before refrigerators?

>>17114884
Based retard

>>17114888
So what, Vikings would break off a block of ice in the north of Norway and sail south selling chunks of it?

>>17114101
Root cellars.
Cheeses.
Trade for other goods.

>>17114884
https://theculturetrip.com/middle-east/articles/this-ancient-technique-to-make-ice-in-the-desert-is-mind-boggling/

Humans have been making ice without electricity for millenia.

>>17114949
That's pretty cool if you'll pardon the pun.

>>17114949
hey.. that's pretty COOL
heh heheh heheh

There are people that don't have milk delivered daily from their local dairy?

>>17114949
>it's all about the physics
>because the air gets cold somehow
>i think the shape helps in some way i dunno
Tip to writers: don't mention physics if you're not going to talk about physics.

>>17114884
>How the fuck did people buy ice before refrigerators?
With money from an ice house?

>>17114884
It was big business in colder areas of the US to cut the ice that formed on top of lakes into manageable sizes, and have it shipped all across the country by insulated railway cars and other means. Then you could go to your local ice importer and buy and chunks of it to store in your ice box at home.

>>17114642
go back

>>17114529
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_house_(building)

>>17115145
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_trade

>>17114101
Cheese.
Or, you have one (1) cow, you get your milk from daily, as needed.

why was the chocolate thread deleted but this one stays up?

>>17114101
>or did they just make sure to drink it all on the same day before it went bad?
this.
you usually had an animal in the yard behind your cottage that gave you a gallon of the shit for free daily.
any leftovers you'd turn into cheese and butter.
butter you could use for a few extra days before it went bad, and the reason we have so many hundreds of types of cheeses is people from different places storing them for varying amounts of time.

>>17114222
_ice trips

>>17115108
God I fucking hate when they do this. If they just did that extra bit of research people might like their article better than the YouTube that'll inevitably find out about this thing and include it in a TOP TWN AMAZING ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY video.

>>17115108
>>17115841
Yup, I actually wanted to know how it works.

>>17115864
The least they could do is find a source that does talk about how it works and include a mention of said source in the article even if they don't have the kind of brain to understand it and explain it themselves so that I can on my own time at least.

>>17114529
Ever seen Disney's "Frozen"?

they make yogurt or cheese
"the lands of milk and honey" actually refers to "the lands of highly fermented yogurt and date syrup"

>>17114101

Yogurt, cheese and butter. When Americans went out west they would just leave milk in pots and the movement of the wagons would basically self churn it.

>>17115943
>>17115963
Yogurt, fresh cheeses, and butter all spoiled too, esp. pre-pasteurization. Traditional methods of long-term food preservation require time - months of aging in cellars, removing water from meats etc. You needed to prepare in advance. In the winter months it was obviously easier to keep food for periods of time outside of the tropics, but otherwise you needed to eat your food fast. Because people didn't have great food abundance, they usually ate what they got.

>>17115988
Which is why the whole "salt is bad for you" thing never made much sense to me.
People used to eat shittons more salt in the old days, since it was the #1 method of preserving food.

>>17115231
>wikipedia unironically e-begging
oh nos people are gonna have to start cracking open BOOKS? oh noooooo

>>17114587
But summer is milk season.

>>17116010
yeah and had much shorter average life expectancy

>>17115108
>>17115841
>>17115864
>>17115933
The architecture of the things for keeping things cool is interesting, but it only "makes ice" because it gets freezing cold at night in that locale.

>>17116010
Assume the "experts" are out to hurt you and do the opposite of what they say every time and your life will improve noticeably
>Eat salt, butter, meat, eggs
>Refuse to get vaccinated
>Don't upgrade to Windows 10
>Lift weights instead of doing cardio

>>17114642
Normalfag fuck off.

>>17116348
based and true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k

>>17116251
Exactly. The bank lasted from autumn to summer.

>>17114101
Old-school hentai is so much better than the new schit coming out.

>>17114580
You should watch interspecies reviewers

>>17114642
same, started posting in 2004 and still don't understand cartoon wankers

>>17114101
Fine silver added to milk has antimicrobial properties. If you mean Greek/Roman era ..

>>17114101
If you shake it up you get butter.

>>17117065
Once you've gone Judy Jetson 3D simply can not compete.

>>17114101
Every single milk culture has some kind of Yoghurt product. Dickmilch, Yaurt, Skyr, Ayran, etc. This is what you do if you don't have the time to make cheese but need to increase the shelf-time.

>>17114687
>The first person that invented cheese was brave.
The first person that invented cheese probably did it by accident, and was hungry enough that he tried eating the “cheese” anyway.

>>17114724
>>Yo is that milk? How the fuck did you get that, I thought we milked the cow over a week ago?
>>Haha yeah I just invented this shit called ice, find a lake and wait for it to get really cold bro it keeps your shit fresh for like twice as long

-Bacon and the first frozen chicken

In the early part of 1626, Sir Francis Bacon whilst out in his carriage fell into an argument with his companion Dr Winterbourne. The cause of the disagreement was Dr Winterbourne’s scepticism over Bacon’s hypothesis that fresh meat could be preserved if frozen. In order to prove his theory he ordered his coachman to buy a chicken from the nearest source. According to John Aubrey in his book “Brief Lives”,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hauntedpalaceblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/the-strange-case-of-sir-francis-bacon-and-the-frozen-chicken/amp/

>>17117434
>Dickmilch

>>17114884
>How the fuck did people buy ice before refrigerators?
Blocks of ice were literally an industry before the invention of refrigeration.
Towns in the Northern areas with large lakes would spend all winter cutting blocks of ice out of lakes.
These blocks of ice would be stored in “Ice Houses” which were large warehouses made for storing blocks of ice, usually insulated with large bales of hay, and later thick layers of cork.
The large mass of ice, and the insulation prevented the ice from melting quickly, saving the ice for months.
The ice would then get shipped in more hay to were ever there was a demand for ice, usually by ship or by railroad.
This is the reason for ice picks, since bar got their ice in blocks for efficiency reasons, and the bartender or an assistent would then chip off ice for drinks.
This is also likely the reason shitty bars sometimes still charge for ice in drinks, since ice used to actually be a luxury, and cost money, and require effort to chip into drinks.
I’m not sure whether parts of Europe had a similar “ice industry” which may explain the American preference for cold beer, compared to Europe.

>>17114101
You would drink milk fresh and any milk leftover would be turned into a dairy product like cheese or butter.
Also, the people who are like "raw milk is dangerous" are retards because they don't realize that raw milk is safe if you drink it fresh. Problem is that, in modern times, none of the milk you're going to get is going to be fresh unless you happen to live on a farm or something.

>>17117832
hahah i noticed that too bruh

>>17117833
>I’m not sure whether parts of Europe had a similar “ice industry” which may explain the American preference for cold beer, compared to Europe.
Norway was the world's second largest ice exporter, after the US.

>>17116258
Because medical science hadn't figured out how treat infection or amputate without issues, or even how to keep babies alive after birth. People living to 90 was not super uncommon back then and if you think you're gonna live much longer than your ancestors who weren't involved in outlandish accidents I've got some hard truths for you to hear.

>>17116286
What's the point of digging a deep hole below the frost level then?

From what my grandma told me kepping milk without refrigerators wasn't a thing; you would boil fresh milk and consume it next couple of days and then go to a farmer to refill. Usually it was processed in yogurt (gets you a few more days) and especially cheese, also butter and that could last if kept in cold water/room

fermented, as God intended

>>17114101
How do you think cheese was invented?

>>17117930
Starts at about 1:06

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2mdFB7UTqc

>>17114769
Mesopotamia was in northern Africa you retard it never got cold there

>they deleted >>17115520 too
jannies are such faggots

>>17117993
Storage?