/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I don't know but eating a regular plant and calling it "plant based" is the dumbest fucking thing.
What else would it be?

responsible for what

Arguably no. There's just as much top soil destruction employed by planting these staple crops and unsustainably fertilizing them and harvesting them with deathly heavy tractors compacting the earth.
Then we have to transport these crops, sometimes freeze them or keep them refrigerated and then a good amount gets thrown away before ever reaching our table by the farmer/packhouse and supermarket.
Let's not forget we don't rotate crops and instead plant the same monoculture crops year after year on the same patch of earth, further deteriorating it.

>15,000 mammal critters per acre killed every time a tractor drives over
arguably eating whale causes the least animal kills of "death" per calorie, even if you include mechanize agriculture

>>16612144
>What else would it be?
Food that is made up of plants instead of animal protein. If you eat a black bean burger, are you assuming someone plucked it off a tree branch?

Nah man. The vast majority of our staple crops are inedible. Animals can eat shit we can't. There's also a fuckton of land we can't reasonably grow nutritious human food on, but can use it for livestock. It's propaganda.

The world is overpopulated though, but that's not the fault of American meat eaters.

>>16612170
Oh no not the mice and rats and voles and cats and dogs

>>16612181
>people can't eat corn, wheat, and soy
in the us most goes right into the consumer food chain or animal feed

>>16612175
if you eat a carrot you can assume it's a plant. no need to say it's a plant based carrot

>>16612185
are you saying a vegan values the life of an animal based on how prevalent it is in the local biosphere? per pound? what?

>>16612170
I have an 18 acre piece of land and there is nothing more satisfying than plowing the tall grass every spring. Watching the doves, rabbits, mice, rats, and snakes (not to mention the insects) try to flee is better than any movie I could pay to watch

>>16612195
>not having the neighborhood kids walking out front with shotguns
you can get 100 pounds of game an acre this way

>>16612194
I never assumed or implied any of that you stupid vegan atrophied faggot.
Those animals are expendable and would be dead if it was a forest fire or harvest.

>>16612201
>you think i'm a vegan
lol no i created this thread to dunk on vegans

>>16612189
Are you touched in the head? Yes. We consume a lot of it as consumer food, pitch a fuckton of it, export (I think around 15%), donate some of it, but the vast majority of the plant is inedible whereas the animals can eat almost the whole thing.

>>16612191
Yeah, no kidding. But the argument (Im assuming yours, but whatever) is flawed. The OP said plant based. That could mean a thousand different things without meaning eating a "regular plant". If there are tofu trees, then I apologize - but the argument you are making is based off of a premise you came up with

>>16612210
>consuming meat bad, need to kill 2 cows to feed 2 family
>consuming soy good, only need to kill 120,000 small mammals and reptiles to feed two family
which is more deathful to critters? i mean even per POUND

>>16612159
we still have to transport and refrigerate animals, though. probably less efficiently as well. a lot of produce doesn't require refrigeration does it?

>>16612199
>ROaST SNAKE FER DINNER!

jesus this is some real redneck shit

>>16612236
>quail
>partridge
>pheasant
>etc

>>16612205
Don't forget to drink the soylent, vegan faggoy

The average human lifespan is 75 years, eat whatever the fuck you want and then die. Who gives a shit what some faggot thinks about the food that you're going to eat, digest, and shit out into a toilet?

>>16612139
Most responsible diet is producing your own food with an emphases on soil health and healthy biodiversity.
Prove me wrong

>>16612236
You havent eaten rabbit?

>>16612236
What's wrong? If its edible, our ancestors would have done the same.

>>16612271
y-yeah, you too

>>16612199
Why the fuck would I live in a neighborhood, let alone interact with other people's kids. Are you from some shitburb in Ohio?

>>16612201
>Those animals are expendable and would be dead if it was a forest fire or harvest.
Like cows?

>>16612139
I don't know but stop being such a faggot and caring what anyone else in the world does

more like plant cringe

>>16612221
you keep saying this like it’s a slam dunk argument but what do you think the cows eat? 99% of them are getting crops or leftovers from crops. they’re not all eating a 100% grass diet, and if they were that would also be an ecological disaster at the current number of cattle.

Why do vegans live rent free in people's heads?

>>16612170
Whales must eat gorillon poor plankton to grow large so definitely not, in fact whales are the oceanic hitlers and it's almost rightful to punish them for their genocidal feeding habits.

>>16612159
Farming practices are bad. But animals also eat food farmed from these shitty practices, so by your logic an animal is basically twice as bad as just farming.
>but muh animals are from mum and pop ranch
yeah, well 70% of all beef in america is still factory farmed
98% of pork
99% of chicken

>>16612144
dumb nigger, he's talking about a "plant based DIET" a DIET based arround plants

>>16612139
>Heavily processed
>High in soy, salt, or fat
>Fattening
>Smaller volume in the same amount of plastic packaging
>Less likely to be local produce
>Produced by Silicon Valley or Cali (((idealogues)))
>Overpriced

Please, just eat vegetables as they are, with a little seasoning. Why turn them into highly processed poison?

What happened to the thin hippy vegetarians and vegans who made their food out of raw vegetables?

>>16612139
Are non sequiturs gay?

>>16614982
>What happened to the thin hippy vegetarians and vegans who made their food out of raw vegetables?
It is the American's God given right to become as fat and unhealthy as possible.
Small hatted men saw the goys who turned to vegan/vegetarianism as opting out of their highly processed affairs, as most of the processed junk had animal byproducts in it
In turn they had to capture this market too by making their own, animal free highly processed foods to catch these potential fatties
These fatties make insurance premiums go up, medical spending as well (who gets paid more for these as a result ????)
a fat, money-spending goy is good
a healthy individual is bad

>>16615290
>Are non sequiturs gay?
No, they are transgender, which also makes them gay but only if you recognize each trannies actual sex.

Wtf?!

>>16612148
E.coli mostly.

>>16613995
99% of what cows eat is grass, they don’t even have to kill all the little critters living in burrows to do it.

>>16615571
sure, 99% of the cows that aren't factory farmed.
So that leaves 70% of cattle killing all the little critters to supply them with food

>>16615357
it was only a matter of time

>>16615583
Almost no cattle are factory farmed though. You’re spreading false news and misinformation.

Pigs, chickens? Those are factory farmed. Cows, sheep? Not factory farmed.

>>16615879
maximum copium

Probably not, but beans are cheap and meat's getting more expensive so I eat beans 3/7 days.
Meat I'm using is in lesser quantities and slightly shittier, usually a bit of sausage or bacon for flavor, maybe a chicken dinner or two a week. Real red meat's become a once-a-month treat, but I dream of it at night.

>>16615892
>the heckin cowerino is in the big mean nasty factory farm!
Honestly a genuine benefit of the Mexicans taking over is we won't have to deal with white women's misplaced empathy for literal livestock.

>>16615929
>my garbage bottombarrel quality meat is a good thing, i swear

>>16612281
fuck eating the rabbits in my neighborhood, little cunts have bubonic plague and that nasty warty cancer shit where the black tumors come out of their mouths and they walk in a circle shitting themselves to death.

>>16615892
>sentience institute
Nice sauce vegan tranny.

>>16614895
SOURCE YOUR FOOD. Fuck people are so worthless.

>>16616952
I agree. I buy my beef pasture-raised. You're not the one to worry about. It's the rest of the proper goy's buying from large factory farms like, >>16616946

>>16615946
Damn sorry you live in hell. All my rabbits look healthy and perky. Some of them are kind of fat.

>>16612139
it sure is taking up land, and we are running out of fertile land

>>16616962
I mean I really wish we could educate the masses on buying a chest freezer and buying the bulk of their meat once a year, but yeah. Most people are so fucking lazy they couldn't comprehend even cooking their food when they have "more important shit to do" (aka making jews more money). Its kind of nuts. I guess those people deserve their soy future. I just dont want small regenerative farms to suffer because of lazy urban consumers being fuckheads about what they put in their bodies.

>>16616965
it honestly is a bit hellish to hop out into my front garden and see one of these ugly fucks drooling and stumbling around in a haze.

>>16617108
what in holy fuck is that?

>>16612139
idk but I fucking love carrots

>>16612170
Whales are dogshit animals.
Taste like garbage and breed/grow slowly.
We almost whaled them to extinction for their oil, if we started actually eating them they'd be gone within a generation.

>>16612139
It would probably be responsible to ban slaughterhouses like Hitler wanted to do. But then people would have to access animal foods exclusively from smaller scale local farms, which would be untenable in a globalized society like we have because of the high demand from urban populations that don't produce their own food. I don't know how it would be sustainable, but I bet Hitler could explain it to me. Anyway, even considering animal abuse then I'd say a plant based diet is irresponsible in the sense of your own health and well-being. That's why I pretend to enjoy it and encourage other people to switch to plant based, because their brains won't function as well and give me an advantage over them.

>>16617405
Eating loads of fish, meat, and animal foods has done wonders for my mental health.

>>16617405
If you banned slaughterhouses then meat consumption wouldn't be something most people enjoy. Either you would be lucky enough to have a local farm with reasonable prices, or more realistically you would need to hunt for your meat. You would get to bag one or two deer a year and you'd have to make that last, meat would be a luxury you enjoy once or twice a week. You'd supplement with the occasional fish, ideally caught by yourself as well (moratorium on commercial fisheries for two decades to allow wild fish populations to completely regenerate themselves)
The NatSoc diet, as envisioned by him (or at least, how I imagine it) is mostly vegetable and grain based with occasional consumption of ethically sourced meat to supplement your diet and keep you healthy.

>>16612201
based
>>16612271
angry faggot

What if we eat the bugs?

>>16617405
>urban populations that don't produce their own food
if they die, they die

>>16612170
baleen whales eat absolute fucktons of animals every day

>>16614903
based on what?

>>16617108
I have never seen that before in my life. Not even in city rabbits. Obviously if I shot a rabbit that looked like that I wouldn't eat it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U54HRmglYEA
The vegan fears the homeless sheep farmer

>>16612195
>Ploughing tall grass.

Guess how I know you're not a farmer?

>>16617356
Papilloma, a contagious cancer- growths collect on softer tissue, usually face, inside the mouth/eyes, and genitals.
Last time one of these was on my property I bludgeoned it to death with a shovel.

>>16617405
>It would probably be responsible to ban slaughterhouses like Hitler wanted to do.

>Exterminated 6 million people off this planet, because he wanted to do.

He was like all the rest of the vegetarians/ vegans on this planet, a mindless psychopath that have their own agenda.

I have not eaten meat in over a decade but recently I have the hugest craving for sweet and sour pork.
I tried eating it again but couldn’t mentally get over my repulsion of meat is there any close alternative plant base I can use instead?

>>16617955
why do you find it repulsive?

>>16617956
It’s a dead body and if I feel the strings of the tendons against my teeth I get gay fucking Vietnam flashbacks to all the animals they had us dissect in vet school and then I am not hungry because I see muscle finer and cancer growths

>>16617964
Huh... I guess I just don't find the stuff we are made out of gross. More fascinating than anything. Of course I wasn't in vet school, but I just don't see dead bodies as gross. I actually really like the idea that we are actually part of the Earth and things eat us and stuff. But that's just me. I haven't dissected anything since high school but I have butchered animals.

Of course I hope you aren't eating pork with pathogens like cancer and what have you but idk.

>>16618032
Of course. I know I’m just being a bitch but when you have to seperate the tendon off the bone with your fingers and pull the cancer off one by one it really digs itself in your mind. I’m such a bitch the whole thing made me drop out because seeing muscle that much and feeling it made me need to vomit.
Please bros I’m glad you guys can still enjoy pork but no amount of reasoning is going to go thru my beta brain. What alternatives can I use to simulate pork?

>>16618040
idk try exposure therapy or jackfruit.
I used to be squicky about blood. I couldn't watch it on tv or anything and the thought of skin peeling also made me sick. But for some reason I have no issue skinning and butchering an animal.

Wait so you dropped out of vet school?

>>16618053
I very much tried many times my good man. With many different meats. I can do fish because it feels so different. Sometimes I picture that this is what human flesh would feel like chewing other times I see cancer and parasites. Like it’s fine man I’ve come to terms with it and live a pretty healthy diet I would just like a few cheat meals to have sweet and sour pork in them ya know?

Yeah, but it has more to do with my social inability to deal with the owners. If it was just about being grossed out I would have gotten over it for the money. But not being able to comfort someone when their dog needs to be put down or actually putting an animal down isn’t something I could do.

>>16618060
>deal with the owners.
Yeah thats why I never even considered it. Though I have some interest in maybe looking into being a livestock vet so I can take better care of my own. But also there would be the perk that livestock owners are usually less autistic about their animals. You might not even have to euthanize since slaughterhouses exist. Less people are bff with their livestock (though I do have a pet livestock animal myself). And as fucked up as many industrial livestock breeds are, we have done some heinous shit to dog dna.

I wonder if maybe being exposed to the whole process of butchering an animal would help? Or maybe just stick to being a pescatarian. There's nothing wrong with that. As long as you aren't being a moralfag you are cool in my book and if you came over I'd make tons of of the highest quality vegetarian dishes for you. Though idk, lard really enhances vegetables. Can you eat stuff like that? Since lard is basically olive oil when its heated and has no tendons or anything.

>>16618068
The thing is man there are lots of times in vet practice where the owner can choose to put the animal down not out of kindness but for convenience and I probably couldn’t do that. Slaughter where the animal is actually used is fine. My father is a second gen farmer and he was worse then me he always had the guy come over to slaughter his animals when the time came so perhaps it’s genetic.
Does lard add to the taste? I could absolutely eat shit like that and maybe it would fill the taste profile I’m craving.

>>16618079
Personally I enjoy lard. Its a lot more robust (and cheaper!) than oil and seems to caramelize the stuff I cook with it (mainly vegetables) really well. Maybe get that meme jackfruit and try to replicate a sweet and sour recipe and add lard? Idk. If you have lard you render yourself from raw porkfat you might be able to find for cheap at a good butcher, you will get way more flavor and enjoy some cracklings on the side (or not). The stuff I have is non gmo fed pork that has been processed to the point where you can use it for cosmetics (I also make soap which is why I buy it)

Slaughter can be tough. I get very in the zone when the time comes and I just cant really get emotional because I wouldn't want my emotions to distract me from giving my animal a quick and painless death. I've only done small animals but with large animals I could see having nerves. Mostly because when I shoot the animal in the head I would not want to miss and have to shoot again.

I really thought I would be more squicked out from the blood and the twitching, but I guess I just see it as pulling the plug on the brain which shuts off the animals cognitive ability to feel pain. That's cool that your dad home slaughters, very based. Does he butcher at home?

>>16618079
Yeah and the euthanizing animals out of convenience would piss me off too. Idk why people want to get dogs and cats if they are wishy washy about the time commitment. Get a fucking rat or mouse jfc. They are basically tiny dogs that live for 2 years. Maybe more intelligent though.

I wish people would be less shitty about pets. But I also wish people would be less shitty about their children too. If wishes were fishes I guess we all could eat.

>>16618107
Ok that’s what I’ll try thanks very much anon my mom will probably know how to render it into a meal for sure.

Yeah I believe that was why he stopped doing it himself when he got older, he got the shakes quite early and he clipped a cows skull once and it ran around leaking brain on the paddock and he treats them all pretty well when tearing them so it was obviously bad enough for him to pay to make sure they are slaughtered quickly and humanely. Once the animal is dead he does all his own slaughter even though it takes him twice as long. It keeps him busy and also nz private butchers are more excited about his meat coz he does it like that. He makes my brothers and I ( if I’m home at the time) do all the heavy lifting but otherwise he will stay blasting clear water revival in that shed for hours. It’s pretty cool man

>>16612139
In terms of investment per calorie, they are a fraction of meat, even cheaper than bugs. So if you want your children to live in a 30Bn people Zerg-hive future, then yes. A nice little apocalyptic war would solve the problem pretty easily though.

>>16618123
Amen dude. Although there is also the opposite with pets where people will keep their cats ( for example) alive by at home drips. So if they choose to do so the vet has to teach them how to secure the animal in a towel or brace and where to stick the drip and the animal has to do this generally for an hour at least an hour a day every second or third day for the rest of its life.
It’s so ambiguous as a job there was just to many things I couldn’t do. Wild people are upset about shooting a cow directly to the brain without pain but making a cat who doesn’t understand or want a drip take one almost every day is fine. It’s not a rare at home procedure either.

>>16618136
>dad butchers his own cow
Fucking hell that is so god damn based. He is living my dream. Like I said before I've only done poultry and plan to work my way up. Probably start really small like rabbit to get an idea of mammalian anatomy and then goat, hog, and then one day a cow. Home raised is the best because you just aren't going to cheap out or do fucked up shit to your livestock the way a consolidated industrial farm that only prioritizes quantity. I'm guessing he takes his gutted and halved cows to be chilled and broken down at the butchers? I have only heard of one small time farmer who chilled and broke down their own beef and it looked like a pretty intense operation.

>>16618107
Try some crackling spread. Just cracklings, a small amount of lard and mustard. Put in food processor to make a homogeneous spread, mix in minced onion after that.

>>16618163
Sounds pretty tasty. I'll have to make that if I ever get my hands on some unrendered pork fat (which I might this year)

I generally make pate with my duck organs, since I generally am not fond of the taste and want to utilize other soft organs that I don't enjoy on their own like lungs and testicles.

>>16618170
Some butchers may have cracklings, especially in Europe and flyover parts of the US. Also, in terms of flavor, goose lard is something to try. Some people hate it and some like it. But the flavor is definitely unusual.

>>16618163
This instantly sounds like a huge winner. Fuck this board is full of geniuses.

>>16618149
He lives in Rawene nz so there aren’t really any industry farmers. There is literally 10 stores in the whole town.
The grocer is his closest neighbour so he and the town butcher use that guys huge freezer ( he has a cold room and a traditional ( I’m not sure what it’s called) but it’s a natural cold cavity they dig in the ground to keep stuff fresh or cultivate it ect in cases of cheese.
He keeps all his favourite parts like the pig cheeks ect for himself and gives the big squares of the animal to the grocery deli for sale and everything else he will leave in the cold room and he’s allowed to just go in there and pick at the leftovers for as long as he likes.
It’s pretty wholesome if you like the lifestyle consider moving to a small town of chill bros and you can kind of be the king of your castle that way

>>16618192
I might get geese someday so this will be inevitable for me. I wonder how much it differs from duck fat?

>>16618195
>It’s pretty wholesome if you like the lifestyle consider moving to a small town of chill bros and you can kind of be the king of your castle that way
Way ahead of you. Food is definitely better here in the city. You could only get similar quality in the big city if you had the $$$$$$$$$

>>16618196
Goose fat has a pretty intense flavor. Not unpleasant, but some people hate it. Duck is more flavorful than pork but much less intense than goose.

All sectors of food production would be more sustainable if we didn't have a policy of importing third-worlders to replace and outbreed westerners.
Let the population crunch and find a new equilibrium. Let the willfully obese die of covid, which is here forever.

>>16617405
People who eat plant-based diets have lower cancer rates, lower heart disease rates, a longer life expectancy, higher testosterone levels in the case of men, etc.
Not surprising for a neo-nazi dumbass to be this ignorant.

>>16619010
Yeah but only if you do it right, which means have a chronometer and track every single micro and macro and constantly buy imported processed bullshit "natural supplements and medicine" because you feel like shit and are weak from shitting 14 times a day and having room clearing farts.

I know your precious studies say a lot, but to me they just say don't ever try to be self sufficient in any way, shape or form.

>>16619169
Lol, what kind of sad cope is this?
>yeah... man... they might be healthy but if they WEREN'T healthy... they WOULDN'T be healthy... gotcha!
Btw, even adjusting for BMI and processed food consumption, vegans are still healthier, fattie.

>>16619176
>vegans are still healthier
Not the ones I've met. And I have met quite a few. The ones that weren't overweight/obese were underweight, very few were normal weight. I met vegans with missing teeth and incredibly low stamina. It's just too difficult, sometimes even impossible to get the diet right, which is why the dropoff rate is so high.

Guess animals are important after all.

>>16619208
Yeah, I think I'll trust the plethora of scientific research over the anecdotal imaginary fat toothless vegans that some rando on 4channel knows.

>>16619208
73.6% of adults over 20 are overweight or obese.
Unsurprisingly most people statistically don't know how to take care of themselves no matter what diet they're on.
I eat meat, but I could give it up no problem and still be healthy because I know how to take care of myself.

>>16619239
Except the scientific consensus is non conclusive. I mean if you were actually scientifically minded you'd know that. But you don't even know where your food comes from anyways so idk.

>>16619244
I agree that most people don't know how to take care of themselves regardless of diet. I think meme diets like keto or veganism gives Amerilards the false impression of yet another quick and consumable fix for their issues that come simply from overconsumption.
As for giving up meat, I'm sure you could give it up, but this guy is talking about giving up all animal products. It will make getting high quality fats, certain vitamins and minerals, and complete amino acids a huge pain in the ass, you will also be at the mercy of your genetics and in many cases you will also be at the mercy of your bodies ability to convert pharmaceutical supplements (of which their production is not regulated by the FDA so take that as you will). Some people can do okay without any animal products, but most fail to thrive.

>>16612194
Why do vegans always sound so tired and defeated lol

>>16615929
Fucking kek. Truth

>>16615946
>they walk in a circle shitting themselves to death.
If you don't mind videotaping this and posting it I would very much appreciate the sight. I think I'd pay money for such a comedic display

>>16619276
>I think meme diets like keto or veganism gives Amerilards the false impression of yet another quick and consumable fix for their issues that come simply from overconsumption.
very based. this is what irks me the most about keto and other meme diets. Or just the direction the world is going in general. People just want to mindlessly consume and not think at all.

>>16612139
Consider the lobster, anon

>>16619604
Go back to /lit/

>>16619169
>having room clearing farts
My mom bought be a ninja blender with a smoothie thing and I started having 1 or 2 giant cups of smoothie a day. This coming off what I call a picnic diet meaning mostly chicken legs, cheeseburgers, sausages and other shit you'd grill at a picnic. After only a month or so I had to stop I couldn't stand it. I was constantly farting the stench was constant but I never got used to it I read on the internet it had to do with switching to a high fiber diet but I simply couldn't wait for my body to adjust so I eventually quit making smoothies. My bedroom still stunk weeks later my gf wouldn't come into it we had to bang in the living room.

All in all I give the experience a 10/10 cause it's funny as fuck to me now

>>16617922
>>Exterminated 6 million people

>>16612144
plant cringe reap cringe plant cringe...

>>16617612
But vegans kill tens of thousands of animals per year for beans.

>>16621289
>But vegans kill tens of thousands of animals per year for beans.
I'm vegan and I love this. Thanks for letting me know. I fucking hate animals
>verification not required.

>>16621300
Checks out. Glad to see a vegan being honest for once.

>>16619586
>keto and other meme diets.
comparing vegan to keto is a false equivalence. only one of these is a nutritionally adequate diet that reverse diabetes, fatty liver disease, epilepsy and potentially has use for some cancers, alzheimers and more...

>>16621452
whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night ketard

>>16621461
vegan? whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night fren.

>>16615946
Thats probably Sope Papilloma Virus. It's a relative of HPV that only affects rabbits. It causes bizarre horn like growths that may be responsible for the myth of the jackalope.

>>16621489
I'm not vegan though, nice try shlomo. I just hate the trend of endless consumerism

>>16621496
what is consumerism about eating meat, fish, and vegetables?

>>16621496
>endless consumerism
Ketogenic diets take people off their medication and get people healthier.
>consumerism
Are you sure you know what that word means?

>>16621496
I actually find its easier to be less of a consumer when you nix a lot of carbs. The main carbs you can be self sustained on are potatoes, fruit, and honey. Otherwise it's just too much work.
>t.homesteader

>>16621509
>Are you sure you know what that word means?
>the preoccupation of society with the acquisition of consumer goods.
people will blindly suck down whatever slop is most convenient and served in front of them. They actively seek out this behavior because its mental stimuli lights up all the right places in their "brain"
Same goes for social media and basically the normie internet as whole, including 4chan which I selfawarely use because I'm bored as shit.
Ketogenic diets might work temporarily, my argument is that it doesn't teach a single speck of rational eating, it just removes 95% of the average consooomers product choices of what they'd typically be shoveling down their fat faces.
Learning to eat healthy is an important part of living a healthy life, not just getting off pills because a fad diet restricts your insulin levels for a temporary amount of time.

>>16621496
>eating is now consumerism
Okay, stop consuming.

>>16621529
>honey isn't too much work
Then why the fuck is it so expensive I'd be making mead all the time if it weren't

>>16621539
>Ketogenic diets might work
they do
>Learning to eat healthy
what is unhealthy about keto? it seems healthy at least in all the current clinical trials
>temporary amount of time.
unless you stick with it.
so for diabetics you could risk gangrene, amputation, blindness and more fun stuff or stop eating bread, cake and soda. this shouldn't be a hard decision.

No because I'm quite sure the only reason I'm not a manlet is because I drank a lot of milk and ate a lot of meat when I was young. Im 6'1 when the rest of my family, including siblings, aren't higher than 5'9.

A completely vegan diet may be acceptable for people over reproductive age as at that stage, the priority might be to prevent chronic diseases caused by excessive fat or salt intake. But anytime before that doesn't seem responsible, especially for kids or pregnant women, who need the richness of a diet that contains animal protein and calcium.

>>16621546
Its not a ton of work but it takes a lot of time.

>>16622066
>prevent chronic diseases caused by excessive fat or salt intake
sugar has nothing to do with it. all the research from the sugar research foundation supports this.

>>16622312
..ok? So I forgot to mention sugar but that's not linked to meat intake as much as fat/salt. Excess sugar intake isn't great for chronic diseases either but my point about preventing manletism still stands.