/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Pretty much everything that isn't adjunct lager or IPA gets slept on in the current market.
Personally I am a little salty that stout overshadows porter and brown ales in general, but it's a small shadow compared to the above.

>>16564785
>tfw really love english barleywine
>can only ever find american style barleywine
it wasnt supposed to be like this bros

>>16564983
/ck introduced me to Barleywine but how do they compare to Malt Liquor? They kind of sound the same.

>>16565173
Malt liquor is typically made with corn/other cheap adjuncts and the brewer targets a high abv while flavor is more of an afterthought because it's marketed to alcoholics who will drink it too cold to properly taste anything.

Barleywine is made with huge amounts of malted cereal grains and the high abv is a consequence of the amount of malts used. An english ale yeast produces wonderful dried fruit aromas and it ages wonderfully. American varieties are similar, but the hop presence is dialed up significantly, adding a stronger bitterness.

>>16565197
sounds digusting you should kys

>>16565213
thanks dad

>>16565173

In American marketing terms, "malt liquor" is cheap high-ABV domestic trash--and "barleywine" is a variety of expensive sweet high-ABV craft or import.

>>16564761
im pretty new to beer but I've tried some golden ales and they're pretty good but they're hard to find
>>16565197
sounds interesting. ive never seen them though, are they usually with the wine or the beer?

>>16565314
Beer

>>16564761
any beer that does not come from america is ok
any beer that does come from america is shit

>>16564983
just drink old ales

>>16565314
>sounds interesting. ive never seen them though, are they usually with the wine or the beer?
They're a type of beer, so you'll almost never see them with the wines. They're also almost never in a grocery store's beer aisle unless yours has an unusually good selection. Odds are you'll see Sierra Nevada's Bigfoot barleywine if the store stocks one.

>>16565351
I like those even better but it's even rarer to find those. I've got dozens of local brewers making admittedly pretty great lagers now, but no luck on the more niche ales like that. If you know of any producers near Asheville focusing on that kind of thing, help a brother out.

>>16565375
i usually go to one of those specialty liquor stores that have a huge selection so it's probably there if i look. supermarkets dont even sell alcohol in my state

>>16564761
What do you guys think about DAB over there? Started drinking it last year and have been enjoying it ever since, it has a palatable grain flavour with a citrus backdrop that I enjoy. Unfortunately, we don't import/brew any other Dortmunder exports in Canuckland.

>>16564761
Dopplebock, rauchbier, and gueuze

>>16565521
>rauchbier
Excellent taste, anon. One of my favorite local breweries put out a smoked helles and it was incredible.

>>16565351
literally the same thing.

>>16565314
Easy to find barley wines for Americunts are as mentioned sierra nevada bigfoot, anchor old foghorn, tenaya creek old jackelope, bourbon county barley wine. Young's used to have a barley wine called old nick but i'm not sure if they make it anymore, also if you ever see Thomas Hardy's rare ale just grab it and throw your money at the cashier, its worth every penny.

>>16565550
>>16565521
Rauchbier is amazeballs Schlenkerla is just delicious.

>>16565512
>Unfortunately, we don't import/brew any other Dortmunder exports in Canuckland.
It's not that different in Germany itself. In the ruhr area where Dortmund lies export has a strong tradition as the ultimate working class beer. Out of there it's not very popular and everybody drinks pils. Export is extremely popular amoung alcoholics though, because the cheap ass 29-39 cents beers are available as pils but then often taste horrible, because they use cheap ass hop extracts resulting in a thin, bitter, metallic tasting beer or as the much milder export that's less bitter but maltier and sweeter so more pleasent to chug down.

>>16567096
Remember bringing one of those to a party and everyone started calling it 'bacon beer,' good times

>>16567084
not true

>>16567093
old foghorn is out of production at the moment and if you can find bourbon county barleywine you're extremely lucky

>>16567110
>In the ruhr area where Dortmund lies export has a strong tradition as the ultimate working class beer
Cool, I remember reading that Dortmund was once a coal mining hub and that Dortmund style lager used to be popular among the miners
>the cheap ass 29-39 cents beers are available as pils... they use cheap ass hop extracts resulting in a thin, bitter, metallic tasting beer
Lmao that sounds sort of like Holsten pils/Krombacher, but even those are marketed as premium beers here

>>16567145
>Lmao that sounds sort of like Holsten pils/Krombacher, but even those are marketed as premium beers here
Holsten is on the edge between cheap and premium beer (it's 59 cents per 0.5l can here) but also more of a working class pils. It's the cheapest of the "premium" brands that you can buy everywhere. A 20x0.5l bottle crate is 7.50-7.99€ on sale. Dunno the regular price but i guess it's 10-11€.
Krombacher is definitely premium and Germany's best selling beer. Boomers and women love it, because it's some mild ass 22 ibu piss that shouldn't even be labeled pils. A can costs 89 cents and a 24x0.33l/20x0.5l bottles crate on sale 10.99€ and 14-15€ regulary. Those are typical prices for cheap premium and regular premium brands. The cheapest crates you can buy cost 6€ on sale sometimes even just 5€. A single bottle of those is around 45 cents. Beers more expensive than the regular premium beers aren't really that common if they're not some local beer. You almost never see people buying those. An exception is weizen. Just so you have an orientation.

>>16565197
Malt liquor is for nogs anyway, they drink it because whiskey and gin is too expensive for them

>>16564761
Grodziskie is pretty underrated. it's a light wheat ale made with smoked malt. dry and refreshing but with a smokey edge to it, pretty unique

>>16567411
Maybe it was you or some other anon on /ck recommended Grodziskie. I've a hard time locating it in Germany. There're four breweries in total that produce it and only one in Germany called Wöllnitzer.

>>16567110
>In the ruhr area where Dortmund lies export has a strong tradition as the ultimate working class beer
Same applies to Eastern Germany. Imo, Pilsator Export is a big exception. I'm sure it contains hop extracts but it wasn't as noticeable as in other cheap Export beers. If you want to be on the safe side you've to buy those Exports that cost 0.5€+ or Polish pils. (they taste like Export beer)

>>16564761
Recently bought pic related and it's one of my favourites already

>>16564761
I don't drink sub-7% ABV pisswater or anything less than 90 IBU because I am not a seething obsesed yurocuck

Men can handle their beer, that shit you posted looks like something my grandpa would of drunk. What's the matter achmed, did the rapefugees steal your balls? God I feel sorry for yuropoors, they don't know how to innovate only imitate

>>16567516
are you the anon that ranted about the US in the other beer thread? Nice bait. Pic rel if you aren't.

>>16567510
My friend always buys those when we're at the Kebab place at the end of the night. At those times I don't really taste anything anymore so I can't tell you if I like it or not. Maybe, I'll pick up a bottle next time I'm at the supermarket.

>>16564761
basically all British styles other than stout and porter
shit's really hard to find outside of britain. they're not wacky enough for craft breweries, not famous enough to be imported and not mainstream enough for macrobreweries to clone them

>>16567557
So true, when will the IPA ever catch on?

>>16567583
English style IPA? I've seen it for sale maybe once in my whole life.
American ones taste nothing like it of course.

>>16567590
I'd be surprised if you haven't regularly been drinking English style IPA's that haven't been marketed to you as session IPA's or West Coast using Golding's or Fuggles because branding/marketing is everything

>>16567601
genuinely never seen a west coast using British hops. I don't know why anyone would even make that. session IPAs use american hops too

>>16567510
Not that bad for the price but it often has an extreme skunk smell because of the green bottles.

what are some brett heavy beers from europe?

>>16567623
Simple search will show plenty of examples on both side of the pond

>>16567729
Anything lambic, probably most wild/spontaneous beers

>>16567729
Orval has Brett in its recipe if I recall

>>16564761
Polish Grodziskie is cool and refreshing, but when I was in Poland I could only find a fucking grodziskie style IPA. Oh, and a mango-flavored grodziskie.
Buckwheat beer.
I also had some weird unfiltered light beer in Belarus that tasted sorta like dusty socks/raw grain? Sort of a dusty/nutty/oat bran aroma. I loved it, I wish I remembered how it was called.

>>16565213
KYS?
Kiss your sister?

>>16568406
yeah a smoked beer with 3% ABV will always be a niche thing in Poland, I rarely see it in shops myself nowadays

>>16568406
>>16568468
btw the IPA is actually quite good, especially for the price. doesn't really have much to do with proper grodziskie though, it's just made by the same brewery as the OG grodziskie

>>16568496
Why is all of your beer 5+% ABV and sweet?

>>16568637
Why are you balding? Question for the ages.

>>16568637
idk if it's all sweet. most of it is 5+% ABV because most people here want to get a nice buzz and they're used to getting hammered on vodka shots so they need their beer to be stronger too
Czechia has better macro lagers than Poland desu. we probably have the better craft beer scene though

Brown Ale
Scotch Ale
Barley Wine
English style IPA
Bitter
Marzen
Dunkel
Bock & Doppelbock
Altbier
Biere de Garde

I know some of these are popular in their native region.... I mean internationally

>>16564761
Czech-style black lager.

>jet black
>dry
>lots of roasty aromas
Schwarzbier is too sweet and other "dark" lagers around here are really more like brown ales in color.

>>16568885
whereabouts are you? never had a sweet schwarzbier

>>16568885
Schwarzbier is not sweet as >>16568889 said. Dunkels are on the sweeter side.

>>16568889
Norway. I guess I've only tried Köstritzer so far which was pretty sweet to me.

>>16568419
*kisses you softly*

British Mild. Quite rare to see in pubs these days but if they have one I'll almost always try it. Despite the low abv (3% usually) some of the nicest ales I've had have been milds.

>>16565197
i hate american style barleywine is all about the MALT get that hop shit outta here

>>16569419
i agree with the first 3 words of your sentence

>>16565375
The only one I can ever find is north coast, which I'm okay with desu

>>16565550
Samesies. I ask them about it anytime I go to the brewery in hopes of them being bothered enough to bring it back

>>16568678
Thanks for answering a question I had in my mind for a long time. I like Polish Pilsener style beers, which are more akin to Export beers. Could you recommend any good ones?
>>16568885
Does it contain food coloring?

Scotch ale is my jam. It's not unknown here, but sometimes I'll be at a big beer store and it won't carry more than 1 make of scotch ale. Either Belhaven or something domestic like Founders.

>>16568406
A couple years ago like 4 different breweries near me put out a grodziskie and it was weird. I really liked it but apparently most people did not

>>16564785
What's the difference between porter and stout?

I hate that the craft beer market revolves around meme IPAs so heavily
Why can't they make more amber ales, amber lagers, non meme styles in general, etc.?

>>16568889
The only one I had was slightly sweet, nothing overwhelming

>>16568876
Most well known breweries make a Marzen every September

>>16567557
Sam Adams made a really good English Ale called Boston Ale but they discontinued it like a year ago
>>16567590
I think Brooklyn Brewery makes an English style IPA. I think it's pretty tasty, I like it more than West Coast IPAs and New England IPAs

Pumpkin ale. It's a pretty hit or miss style, but some of them are actually fantastic.

I really wish Rheingold would come back
I see it in old (1960s) pictures of my family and I'm curious to know what it tasted like

How "funky" do Saisons typically taste?
The term "funky" to describe a beer sounds gross, but I still want to try one

>>16564761
for me it's lambic beers, where I live sour beers were trendy for a little bit but they aren't quite the same as a lambic

>>16571674
What do lambics taste like?

>>16564761
I just want to die, anon.

>>16571755

Like a bag of sand.

>>16572016
???

>>16572013
why is this such a bitch to buy unless you live in france? even for the rest of europe.

>>16564983
wait people hate barleywines? I think most people just haven't tried them and those who try them think they're getting a wine or a sweet stout.

>>16572044
Which hobo orders beer from the internet?

>>16571264
think espresso roast coffee vs medium roast

>>16571674
Second this. Lambic beers are wildly good. So many options that are dry and complex instead of craft beer's malty sugarbombs

boomerbier ist bestbier

>>16572362
>>16572387
based

I think I'm addicted to Coors Banquet

>>16567113
based and kellerpilled

>>16567145
Lol isn't that the beer where the Hopihalido meme stems from?

schwarzbier

>>16573166
How's the Ur-Kostitzer Schwarzbier? I've only tried their regular Pilsner.

>>16573523
Never had it, I've only been able to find scharwzbier on tap in beer bars. I just think they are underrated because I never see them in stores. A brewer I used to work with put me on to them (I worked in the kitchen) and was trying to make it at the brewery but the head brewer shot it down in favor of some shitty new england style IPA

>>16574285
>but the head brewer shot it down in favor of some shitty new england style IPA
Gotta pay the bills, anon. Shit sucks, but niche styles are pretty risky for smaller breweries given the amount of competition.

>>16574503
Yeah I get it but, they make some niche stuff fairly consistently I just wish they would have made that style. I would say they are a large craft brewery. I don't work there anymore so its called Migration Brewing in Portland, OR if you wanna check it out

>>16574572
I want to visit Portland at some point. Not sure if I'm mixing up something but I heard that the city has the highest brewery density of the US.

>>16574689
That's Portland, ME. We have the 3rd(Bend, OR) and 8th(Portland, OR) most breweries per capita.

>>16567113
Hell yeah. Pic related is still the best pils I've had
>>16574285
Yeah I ordered a dark lager from a place down the road and the brewer served me and was desperate to talk about the beer. He said he was most proud of that one but people only wanted milkshake ipas and their light beer option

>>16571674
Patrician taste. Love me a currant lambic

>>16571755
Hard to describe. Think of a rich juice made with beer ingredients. Not like a mix of them but a full bodied beer that tastes like tart fruit (whatever flavor you get). I recommend starting with cherry (Kriek).

>>16572141
the unvaxxed soon enough

>>16574926
Nah I'll go wherever I want

The Hazy IPA craze is so gay.

Even 5 years ago breweries had better selections of beer. Now you can expect most of them to be 3/4 IPAs in their offerings, and 9/10 hop forward

>>16574870
Do you like Geuzes?

>>16574926
Listen you LIBTARD

HE. FUCKING. WON. TRUMP WILL BE BACK. THE ELECTION WAS STILEN AND YOU FUCKS KNOW IT. IM SO TIRED OF HAVING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU LITERAL CLOWNS ON THIS BOARD. I WILL NOT BE VACCINATED, NEITHER WILL MY FUTURE WIFE BE. TRUMP HATES THE ANTICHRIST AND HE WILL BE BACK

>>16575984

Rauchbier, by far
Beers infused with chili peppers, preferably dark
Anything British- milds, bitters, scottish ales (not wee heavy/scotch ales), English IPAs, and so on are frustratingly underrated in the US and could easily captivate the boomer market, because after bartending at a craft brewery for 5 years, most men over 50 weren't interested in fruited sours, hazy IPAs, pastry stouts, etc. but wanted something a little more flavorful than our pale lager. 90% when they were describing the kind of beer they were in the mood for, any amber-colored British ale could've filled that spot perfectly.
Sahti and rye beers in general. I tried to find a roggenbier which is basically a dunkelweizen with rye instead of wheat and could've find any, not even in Munich when I visited. So I homebrewed one myself and it was hands-down the best thing I ever brewed.

>>16576242
Sam Adams used to make an English style ale called Boston Ale and it was really good, it was exactly what you describe.
Unfortunately, most breweries in the US tend to make: a bunch of IPAs, an APA, meme stouts, and an overhopped pilsner

>>16576250
Honestly I'm astounding this beer hasn't gotten a chokehold on the boomer demographic in the States. I chalk it up to a failure in marketing.

>>16576264
The craft breweries here mainly focus on IPAs unfortunately
I'm nowhere near being a boomer (26) but I really love beers that are neither boring BMC stuff or meme IPAs/dessert stouts.

>>16576242
Ales died out in the US after the civil war because we got flooded with hundreds of thousands of G*rman migrants who refused to make anything other than lager or pilsner. They’d make saloons/bars on every corner and stock only German-style beers, making it practically impossible to get traditional anglo-american ales. Eventually they just faded from memory. There are a few ale styles popular still in the US, but they’re highly regional. Cream ale up around NY-NJ is an example

>>16576264

Price is a factor; imported Belhaven ain't the cheapest, and other Scotch-style ales (American and imported) compete at the same price-point. Belhaven is also pretty hard to find; maybe 1 out of 10 stores in my cosmopolitan Northeastern US area has it. But indeed, marketing is a volatile game. Someone in Hollywood might do a "Braveheart" remake with a black actor playing William Wallace, and all of a sudden Scottish products become popular & lucrative again, and we'll all be chugging Belhaven whilst munching deep-fried Mars Bars and illegally-imported haggis, and grooving to autotuned Ned mumble-rap over pipes.

>>16576264
Because boomers think meme beers and craft/microbrews are for hipster kids. Boomers drink Coors, Bud, Busch, or some other major brand that’s been around for a century. The same thing they’ve been drinking since they were teenagers in the 60s-70s.

>>16576331
I'm drinking a Gennesee Cream Ale right now and it's good but a little sweet for my liking

>>16576341
That's wrong. Most of the craft beer guys on youtube are boomers and Gen Xers, young people mostly drink AALs and Mexican lagers

>>16564761
Regular, normal-ass porter and wheat beer.

>>16575984
Most likely troll, and yet, it could be real.

>>16574777
checked

>>16572322
Where is "espresso roast" a thing?

>>16576242
Don't want to discredit you but I believe its the opposite. At least in the EU old people don't want to change their fav beer for an IPA or something more exotic.

>>16564761
At least in Germany i'd like to have some regular English beers and not English style beers by some faggy hipster breweries.

>>16576674
EU mate, where is it not?

>>16576666

>>16564761
Kolsch is my personal favourite.

Don't know how Germans feel about it but I've got some great memories drinking it throughout Germany and Australia.

It's got the flavour of an ale but the weight of a larger. THE PINNACLE OF BEER IMO.

>>16578581
Kolschs are nice
I wish American breweries made more "regular beers" instead of shit with way too high ABV and or lupulin to be sessionable

Will beer stop existing 20 years from now due to the popularity of seltzer?

>>16579127
>literally one of the oldest creations of mankind
>killed off by shitty spiked la croix
nah. Breweries might fail more and shrink, but people will always want some suds and malt.

>>16579140
Beer has been declining since the 60s, and seltzer is acceletating that.
Just the idea of breweries basically just making IPAs + seltzers is horrifying. I'd drink exclusively Budweiser and Coors Banquet if that were to happen.

>>16579152
>Beer has been declining since the 60s, and seltzer is acceletating that.
>Just the idea of breweries basically just making IPAs + seltzers is horrifying. I'd drink exclusively Budweiser and Coors Banquet if that were to happen.
But it won't die. Breweries will adapt. Some won't and will die. That sucks, especially if they made good beer. But you're kidding yourself if you think beer is going to go without an audience anytime soon. I've had a couple open up quite recently near me and they exclusively focus on lager and farmhouse ales, and they're doing great.

If you're so worried about not being able to buy beer you like, learn to brew your own. Beer is immortal.

>>16579382
"Adapting" seems to mean focusing more on seltzers while churning out shitty Hazy IPAs
And I don't think beer will die anytime soon, but it will eventually become a niche interest like smoking pipes
Gen Z doesn't seem to have a taste for beer

>>16579104
Where do you live? Lagers and shit came back HARD in my state a few years back and are still pretty damn popular

>>16579450
>Where do you live?
Sounds like it's living on Madison Avenue.

>>16579450
New York
Brooklyn Brewery dropped its pilsner and Saison, most of the lineup is IPAs

>>16579463
People on here have said new york is more wine friendly vs beer friendly, but idk I've never been

>>16579468
This isn't just a New York thing
Breweries around the country focus mainly on IPAs

>>16579480
Idk we have multiple breweries in MN that just do traditional stuff from German to Norwegian to Czech

>>16579432
I am gen z, and am interested in enjoying good beer. Any ideas for finding the best brews? I am also interested in preserving the tradition of low abv table beers

>>16579491
Why don't breweries innovate with non-meme styles like how they did with IPAs?
If they can make 10 new kinds of IPAs, why not more sessionable types of beer?

>>16579630
Drink local. Most beer is best fresh. Find breweries near you. Meet the brewers. Learn what makes them tick, express to them what you like, start a conversation. Learn to homebrew. Even if you can't into temperature control, kviek yeasts can do warm, fast fermentations. The best thing you can do is to get involved, either as a consumer or producer.

>>16579634
Marketing for smaller breweries is always an arms race. Who can make the most extreme IPA, the most ridiculous stout with more adjuncts than you can fit on the label, etc.
The breweries that tone things down and just do simple, well executed beers tend to be hidden gems beloved by locals.

fall is coming up. and pumpkin flavored beer is coming and honestly its one of my favorite styles. it just tastes so good

>>16579666
>Most beer is best fresh.
beer is by definition not fresh.

>>16579801
Go back.

>>16579801
Define fresh.

>>16579801
I think I understand your train of thought, but unfermented beer isn't beer, it's wort.

>>16579152
Beer was declining was the 60's but since the late 90's sales have increased globally

>>16579666
>Even if you can't into temperature control, kviek yeasts can do warm, fast fermentations
You're trying to sound like you know what you're talking about but you don't. You're right about kviek but point it out like it's some kind of exception? A lot of yeasts can be fermented warm but Kveik is infamous for being a aggressive yet clean not cause it handles warmth

>>16581270
Not that anon, but "warm" fermenting ale yeasts still need to be consistently in the 60s, low 70s at most to ferment efficiently. Yeasts used for saisons and farmhouse beers (like kviek) can ferment healthily into the 80s. Farmhouse beers are also forgiving to homebrewers because if it gets infected, you could luck out and make a wild ale by accident.
t. worked at a brewery for 5 years

>>16581547
Which brewery

>>16581171
Africa and Asia has more disposable income to buy beer now, that is true.

But I do think beer will die out in the West

>>16582003
For example, my parents and I like beer but my zoomer sister hates it and refuses to try one. She does like hard seltzers, though.

>>16581800
A regional one in Florida but I'm not giving any specifics on 4chan of all places.

>>16582003
UK and USA are following the same trend pal, stop reaching

>>16582003
>But I do think beer will die out in the West
>>16582041
>For example, my parents and I like beer but my zoomer sister hates it and refuses to try one. She does like hard seltzers, though.
Yeah nah, beer won't go away any time soon. Your zoomer sister anecdote is just that. If anything more women drink beer now than used to be the case 20-30 years ago.

>>16582168
Beer is getting LESS popular in the US, I'm not sure about the UK though

>>16582454
Not true. Women don't really drink a lot of beer, most drink mixed drinks, wine, and hard seltzer
Hard seltzer's rise lowered the amount of female beer drinkers

>>16579450
I live in Germany and most craft breweries lager type beers I've tried were subpar. Dunno how it is in the states though.
>>16579480
>>16579634
Maybe because IPAs are packed with hops aroma and you won't notice subtle off flavors?
>>16579630
Where are you currently located?

>>16582467
>Women don't really drink a lot of beer
Bullshit, I chug more beer in a day than you do in a week and I wouldn't touch a hard seltzer if it had the covid cure in the bottom.

>>16567516
>doesnt drink pisswater
>posts rogue
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>16583295
Based but I find that most women aren't like you
Most women won't drink a full flavor beer unless it's a Mexican one since those are considered "cool"

>>16583295
are you heterosexual?

>>16583280
A lot of them will try to mess with them, but ultimately come back to the standard and are USUALLY pretty good. Some have better Berliners and hefes, others have better pils or helles. One is fairly consistent no matter what they choose to do though

>>16583295
bost tits

>>16565375
>bourbon barrel aged
the meme must die. DuClaw's Devil's Milk was better btw.
>>16567525
do you think we could get a brewery to actually make this for us if we gave them a recipe and enough money?

>>16583308
i'm black, so no

>>16583568
L O N D O N
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>>16583484
>the meme must die
You go taste a central waters BA beer and tell me that shit isn't stellar

>>16581270
>you don't know what you're talking about
>you're right, but I don't like how you said it
Please seek treatment for your disorder

>>16583638
Literally the ONLY brewery to consistently barrel shit right. Also, stouts are 10x better when aged in red wine barrels vs any booze barrel

>>16583667
Reading comprehension of the typical Sanjeet

>>16583300
thats the joke

>>16579432
>Gen Z doesn't seem to have a taste for beer
I'm assuming you haven't been to any highschool or college parties lates
Youths are still slamming cheap lagers at a prodigious rate and the natty ice cases are like tumbleweeds at my local university
Seltzers are mostly for the chicks

>>16583818
eat my shit nigga

>>16564761
>What are some underrated beer styles?
Brown Ales.

>>16583834
seethe retard

>>16583682
For the record, that anon was right about Kviek yeast. It does ferment far hotter than the average ale yeast. Mr. "You Don't Know What You're Talking About" didn't know what he was talking about.

>>16565375
this shit is atrocious. Like someone poured Colt 45 in a dirty whiskey glass.

>>16583280
Small college town in the southeast US

>go home for summer, area has pretty strong local brewery scene
>Try a lot of one-off beers
>Fall in love with sours, gose, and brown ales
>Go back to school next week
>In teetotaler Utah
Any recommendations lads? Utah is barren for selection since the gov runs the liquor stores

>>16584312
Not that anon but they said that anon was right?

>>16585035
>gov runs the liquor stores
Don't you mean the Latter Day Cunts?

>>16569386
Sam smiths do a dark mild and its fuckin lovely

>>16572387
nice

I really enjoyed the scottish heavy ale that i had.
Exports and wee heavys were always a bit too much and the scottish light was too little.
An aged English Barely Wine is incredible as well.

Vienna Lagers are starting to become more popular which makes me happy as well.

i only get my beer from 1000 year old breweries from a country where its literally illegal to make shit beer

>>16586142
>Literally illegal to make shit beer
Huh

>>16586142
is it just where I live or did weihenstephaner suddenly start appearing in every single grocery store all of a sudden

>>16586207
Nah bro they totally have

>>16564761
Weizenbock is severely underrated. TFW people don't understand how Weizens are superior in a boozy, sweet and strong format.

>>16565339
t. Just binged some old Monthy Python on Netflix, trust me.

>>16586142
I drank a lot in Germany. Most of their beer is not much different from Budweiser

>>16586029
I love Vienna Lagers and similar beers
I haven't noticed and increase, though.

Most of the ones I know of came out in the 80s and 90s

>>16583818
Yes but chicks and effeminate men shifting away from beer means less beer being consumed

>>16583568
I only know one black chick who likes beer
>>16583837
I like Brown Ales but I would really like a slightly milder version that I could crush a bunch of

>>16568876
In Illinois, especially Chicagoland, you can find most of those styles released intermittently. Add zwickelbier too. Off Color likes doing rare styles. Triptych down in Central Illinois does a lot of rare British styles. Urban Chestnut out of St Louis does German styles well. There's a lot of great variety to be had in Illinois.

>>16571303
They can be anywhere from mild to extremely funky. The more expensive ones tend to be funkier.

>>16586649
Try a bitter. I love em, but the only place near me that made one retired it like 3 years ago for some reason. They had it on nitro and I would get obliterated on the stuff whenever I went. They had a good stout too

>>16586203
Maybe he was referring to Germany's beer purity laws.
>>16586329
I live in Germany and even here Weizenbock beers are not common. If you're lucky your supermarket maybe carries one of such beer. (Usually it's Schneider Weisse)
>>16586628
I hope you mean Czech Budweiser. Which beers did you drink in Germany?

>>16565521
Gueuze isn't underrated.

In some parts of the world an old bottle by a good brewery costs between 500 and 1K$

Saison is underrated. It's like a regular pint of beer, except better. 75cl Saison Dupont is god tier.

>>16582467
Breweries I've been to tend to be very mixed gender wise. As long as people keep filling up the local breweries then beer will continue to thrive.

>>16587026
>>16586203
German law forbids adding herbs and spices to beer. Medieval law.

They solve this by blending Pils with Fanta (Radler, "cyclist" actually nice), Cola (Diesel - that's what it tastes like/Drecksack - sack of shit, Moorwasser - Arabic water), fruit syrup, wine, liquor or tomato juice.

A "5-trail" is a blend of water, Sprite, red wine, white wine and Weizenbier.

A "sour Russian" is Weizenbier and water

For a full list of German beer cocktails see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biermischgetr%C3%A4nk

>>16564761
There's fantastic Italian beer.

Check out Birra del Borgo, L'Olmaia, Regina del Mare.

If you like loud American beer check out Cane di Guerra, Toccalmatto.

>>16586644
Sure but those have never been beer's major market
'chicks and gays drink fruity light alcoholic drinks 'has been a stereotype since at least the 80s for a reason
I don't think it'll be a major impact on beer marketshare is my point, and the major losers will be macrobreweries cause those people were just buying Bud light and shit for parties

>>16587135
Reinheitsgebot is kinda stupid desu

>>16567590
faggoty american ipas have completely ruined ipas in the uk, it's almost impossible to get an ipa that isn't riddled with cum/craft beer notes

i just miss my milds and bitters

>>16572387
my dad lived near the brewery a few years ago and whenever he came to visit he'd bring a couple of crates of tannenzapfle, it was fucking glorious

>>16587453
Nah, it's great, because you can't adulterate beer with sugar, rice, maze or whatever faggy hipster meme ingredients that are used today.

>>16587500
>adulterate
see that's the thing, making beer with rice or corn is not "adulterating" it, it's just a different style of beer. You can see in other European countries without the Reinheitsgebot that they still use the same traditional ingredients and not "faggy hipster meme bullshit" (grains you are scared of) without autistic legislations because those are the native grains
Thankfully since reunification it's become less and less legally relevant
Also it has allowed the addition of sugar for a long time

>>16587515
>grains you are scared of
Grains that will give the beer some taste are not a problem, but sugar, rice and maze are only used to push the abv while offering no flavour compared to barley, rye or wheat.

>>16587529
Not entirely true. Alcohol has a boozey, perfumey flavor in itself and is easier to note it when sugar pumps up the abv while drying out the body; Belgian beer wouldn't taste the same without it.
Corn imparts a subtle sweetness and rice lightens the body.

>>16586983
Is that similar to an amber ale?

>>16587026
I was in Berlin and drank a ton of different beers, and I do mean American Budweiser. Pilsner was definitely the most common over there, and stuff like Krombacher and Berliner is not that much different from Bud IMO.
German wheat beers are of course, a lot different.

>>16587632
It can be. Bitter can vary in color, but whether they're dark gold or light amber, they tend to be on the malty side. If you like ambers, I don't see why you wouldn't like bitter, unless the distinct mineral bite of hard English water puts you off.

>>16587515
>>16587546
How come the US has shitty lagers when you guys don't have a purity law?

>>16587319
Beer is already losing a lot of shelf space to seltzer

>>16587646
we have lots of good lagers available in every liquor store along with the shitty lagers
most people would rather pay 15% less though

>>16587646
Boston Lager>>>Carlsberg, Heineken, Amstel, Beck's, etc.

>>16587641
I get that you won't be able to find the good stuff right away. Berliner Pilsner & Krombacher are not really well know for being good Pilsner beers. Come back again and I can give you good recommendations.

>>16587646
Because the people making those shitty lagers don't give a fuck. Not even boomers by them for the flavor, they just taste familiar because that's what they grey up on and they're dirt cheap compared to craft or imported lagers.
The Japanese make rice lagers that still taste like beer and there's a somewhat popular style of beer in the craft industry known as "cream ale" that is made with corn. So it's not a matter of those adjuncts being inherently bad for the beer, it's just how you use them.

>>16587657
Coors Banquet and Miller High Life are unironically good and are very affordable
>>16587660
I know there is better stuff available, my point was just that the stuff people drink on average is not much better than Budweiser. Berliner seemed to be the most popular beer in Berlin (while in Hamburg it was Asta which is better but still not that different).

>>16587669
Budweiswer is actually good though
Only light beers and malt liquor tend to be real pisswater

>>16587659
>Carlsberg, Heineken, Amstel
1. not German beer, the purity laws don't apply
2. everyone can name examples of a beer that tastes better than another country's macro beer. I bet there're just more German lager beers which are better than US lagers

>>16587687
Boston Lager>Krombacher, Oettinger, Beck's, Bitburger, Warsteiner

>>16587677
I don't have any issues with bud heavy. I'd never order it, but it's not particularly offensive if offered. Bud light is unironically not fun for me to drink, I'd rather just stay sober. Miller lite's not "good", but I'd take it over Bud light.

>>16587687
>1. not German beer, the purity laws don't apply
Pray tell, how do Carlsberg, Heineken, and Amstel violate the Reinheitsgebot?

>>16587669
I've been to Japan many times and their rice lagers taste like water. No body whatsoever. I tried them warm as well and it didn't change much. The only beer I enjoyed was Sapporo Belg White, which ironically is a fortified beer.

>>16587696
Do you like Coors Banquet and Yuengling?

>>16587710
>Yuengling
The Yuengling hype is Pennsylvanian propaganda
It's pure mediocrity in a bottle

>>16587700
The German purity law doesn't apply to foreign beers. If you import 'impure' beer from abroad you're still allowed to call it beer. Just beer that are produced in Germany have to adher to the law. Not sure if those three breweries produce any of their beer in Germany.

>>16587706
>No body whatsoever.
Rice will do that. I too have been to Japan and in my opinion, they still have enough grainy taste to make them preferable to a light beer. And considering they're like 130 yen a pint, who can afford to complain? Unless you're at Deathmatch in Hell, where everything is 666 yen kek

>>16587722
It has average if not subpar ratings on non-US beer review sites.

>>16587728
That doesn't answer the question. I'm asking you how those lagers violate the purity law just because they're not made in Germany.
>>16587710
Don't think I've had Coors Banquet, but Yuengling is probably by favorite cheapo lager because it's the most flavor you're going to get from any other beer than price.

>>16587734
According to some youtube videos I've watched there're new smaller breweries that sell their beers at the Combinis. I'd like to visit again and try them.
>666 yen
the cosest I've gotten to that price was at a club in Shibuya. 600 yen/ 330ml Heineken, I think

>>16587728
You can still brew beer that fits the reinheitsgebot abroad and most Dutch, Danish, Austrian or Swiss lagers will. In Chech and Poland most premium beers also apply to the reinheitsgebot while they have plenty cheap pisswaters that do not though.

>>16587722
obama made yuengling famous

>>16587632
I find them less toasty than an amber, but still super malty and easy drinking. You'd probably like them. Try Fullers ESB next time youre at the liquor store

>>16587762
I checked out a few craft breweries when I was in Japan and they were really into real ale-style beer, where it's live fermenting and hand-pumped into the glass. Almost all of the places I went to had a few real ale-style variants of their core beers.
600 yen is a ripoff for lager in Japan but most craft beers I found were 400~700 yen, but at the bar I was at, the 666 price was more of a novelty because it's a death metal and horror movie-themed bar and since it applied to almost everything including liquor that typically runs higher than 666 yen a glass, it sort of evened out.

>>16587747
I checked their websites and if everything they stated on their website is true than they shouldn't violate the purity law. I'm trying to understand what your point is? You think they're shitty beer and hence all lagers that adher to the purity law are shitty?

>>16587769
Literally all you have to do to make it conform to the purity law as far as I know is brew it with just hops and barley, which makes up like 90% of beer anyway.

>>16587792
No, I'm asking what your point was by saying "Heineken, Carlsberg, Amstel, etc don't count because they're not subjected to the purity law" as if that means they somehow don't meet the standard.

>>16587802
Why did you mention "Carlsberg, Heineken, Amstel" if we're talking about German beer purity law? Did you just try to show how you rate Boston Lager?

>>16587788
Which craft breweries could you recommend? Do they have a "sitting down" fee at those places too?

>>16587830
I'm actually not the anon who posted about Boston lager, but your post seemed to imply that Germany's purity law was somehow an indictment of America's lack thereof. Germany's purity law only polices the ingredients used, not the "quality" which is subjective anyway.

>>16587740
because beer nerds tend to only rate things highly if they're IPAs or pastry stouts

>>16587855
The ones I went to didn't. I actually can't remember any of the breweries I went to in Tokyo by name, because we bar hopped a lot that night, I can only remember that the beer was good but pricey (by Japanese standards; I'm used to paying $5-$7 a pint of craft beer plus tip in the States).
In Osaka we went to a brewery called Beer Belly in the Tenma district and our bartender was from Uganda. Dude had only been in Japan about a year and a half and was pretty much fluent in Japanese, so my buddy and I who are conversant in Japanese switched between that and English while chatting with him.
In Kanazawa, I remember hitting up a place called Oriental Brewing, which had really good dark beer and offered to-go beer in a plastic cup, so you could stroll around the Old Town while you drink.

>>16587795
And this just applies to lagers. Ales can be brewed with every grain or more precisely "malt" you want although only wheat for weizenbier is common and others like rye, spelt, oat or buckwheat are very rare.
Pretty sure i had a rye lager too. The regulations are kinda complicated and small ass breweries (especially those with a tradition) can get exceptions.

>>16587887
I just googled the last lager I bought and it has an 88 on the biggest beer review site on the internet

https://www.brouwerij-strubbe.be/nl/product/28/keyte-oostendse-tripel

>>16587912
I've been there before, I'll have to check that out, next time I visit family in the Boston area.

>>16587868
I agree with your second statement. Macro breweries try to cut costs and if there weren't a beer purity law in Germany you could bet your ass that they'd substitute grain sugars with syrups etc.

The purity law also makes it easy for consumers to choose what kind of beverage to drink. If it's German and labelled as beer than you can rest assure that you're not drinking an industrial concoction.

>>16567737
there are exactly 0 examples of lambic using brett

>>16587887
Moron

>>16585881
Basically, the joke here is "how big is the separation of church and state in Utah?"
"2 blocks"

>>16587453
Reinheitsgebot doesn't exist anymore but beerheads still quote it cause they're ignorant as fuck

>>16587943
Almost every single lambic uses Brett and a combination pedococcus and lactobacillus hahahaha fucking retard

>>16587912
it's literally the highest rated one on their
Most amber lagers they won't give more than an 80 or so, and they generally only get really high scores if they resemble IPAs

>>16567110
You really know your Beer. I was wondering why DAB Lager had that weird bitter, metallic taste. Almost tasted skunked too. Bitburger didn't have that, not sure if they use extracts.

>>16588344
>it's literally the highest rated one on their
Damn sometimes I loathe Taxachusetts, then I find out I've been taking America's best lager for granted

Pumpkin beer is my favorite beer of all. I wish it was year round.

>>16587943
every single lambic has not one but a shitload of brett strains in it.

>>16587044
I think it mainly depends where you live, but gueuze get so expensive somewhere because there is like one pub selling it and they charge 100€ for a cantillon.

Saison is my favorite style as well, being the classic ones or the funky ones.

>>16589887
Why would anyone want funk?

>>16589341
Massachusetts is AIDS and communist but they do have some good beer

>>16590081
We want the funk
Gotta have the funk

>>16590081
This is going to sound weird, but my favorite saisons are the kind that taste like dank, musty barns full of straw and horses.

>>16589192
You can have the skunk taste in every beer that comes in a green bottle but in my experience it's worse in beers that use hop extract. I'm not often drinking beers from green bottles (they're rare anyways) besides Jever that just contains regular hops (they also used extract for a short time but people where complaining so they quickly changed back to just hops), which is the most hopped macro in Germany but still doesn't has the skunk smell/flavour often while some cheaper ones like Wicküler are very often skunky. In Becks on the other hand you still can get a metallic taste although it just uses hops.
Yet when doing blind tests with friend we frequently could say that beers came from green botles even though they were in the more pricey range and had no extract. Dunno why they don't change to brown bottles but i guess it's some corporate identity shit and people would complain even though it would be an improvement.

>>16590217
Fuck yeah

Omnipollo makes a really good one, with a lil' hops in it, called Levon (Leon before) that is really fucking good.

Tho a barnhouse-and-straw-Saison is my fave. Give me that cork-tastin' cloudy shit any day of the week

>>16590217
Ew
Props to you for liking that but it sounds awful

Why do rednecks love Bud Light so much? The rednecks I know never drink anything else

>>16592015
Miller Lite is more popular here. Maybe just cause light beers are more refreshing? I'm not sure

>>16592010
I tend to like things with "earthy" flavors, so the more inedible things are in the flavor profile, the better the chance I'll like it.

>>16587486
They're ruined them because the Bong retards in Bongland love and want them. You absolute waste. Don't like it? Don't drink them and they'll have no market.

>>16564761
The absolute morons in this thread.

Dortmunder is for sure an underrated and overlooked beer style. Yebisu in Japan is a good example of it.

>>16592267
I'll try it next time I'm in Japan. For some reason it's labeled as a lager beer on the German rating website I frequently check.

>>16592255
if one man doesn't drink soapy fizzy piss then nobody else will, great idea, thanks lad. is this the mighty intellect the USA everyone can't stop talking about?

we're on 4chan, both our countries are filled with normalfags, i come here to get away from mouth-breathing hipsters and their homoerotic obsession with "craft" beer not argue with them about their peasant swill

>>16587486
>faggoty american ipas have completely ruined ipas in the uk
Good lord the brainrot is so fucking severe that when the UK makes beers he doesn't like, it's America's fault
Get this retard fucking sectioned

>>16593430
>retarded zoomer scum copy the same faggoty intensely extreme overhopped shit the americans invented because they've become so jaded to existence their tastebuds abandoned them long ago, and flog the fuck out of it because most people are unoriginal fuckwits
what is so difficult to understand about this, if you were alive in the 50s and 60s you'd be moaning like fuck about all the shit music coming out in america sounding exactly like the beatles, when cultural exports are shit you can't help but notice them

i'm a well known beer blogger and i want you to know that i'm constantly shitting on american beers not because they're bad but because i don't like america. there, i said it.

>>16593301
Dortmunder is a lager beer.

>>16593483
I'd be listening to Hank Williams and George Jones because I'm not a fuckin teenage girl and also I have the mental capacity to seek out things that appeal to me rather than complain about the things that don't

honestly some of the best lager style beer I have drunk, besides some fancier stuff that emulates better german or czech beers, problem is asahi is like $3 a can, $15 a 6 bottle pack and that's just too much for such a low ABV basic beer.

>>16593652
I can pick up asahi at my local japanese market for $10/6pk. Which I know well because I get it a lot. Great dryness to it

Have any new meme-styles been created during the craft beer wave?

>>16576348
>young people (are) mostly...Mexican

>>16594712
no, I mean young white people too
Mexicans tend to drink Mexican beers and whites drink Mexican beers or Bud Light

>>16593592
I know, but on that website Dortmunder Export beers are labeled as Export instead of just Lager.
>>16593555
What perks does it have being a beer blogger? You mind to share your website?
>>16594567
Weizen Pale Ales, which I really enjoy

Baltic porter.

Tripel.

>>16594567
I miss American strong and black rye ales...