/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>16385241
Explain that high THC concentration marijuana disrupts REM sleep and you happen to like dreams and REM sleep is what cleans cerebrospinal fluid from your brain you like not having clogged neurons.

As someone who used to be addicted to taking 7 (prescribed) Ambien sleeping pills a night with handfuls of others assorted benzodiazepines and a rotation of other pills at various points, weed doesn't really make me fall asleep. I suppose if you overdose on edibles, at some point you pass out, but it is more of a stimulant like coffee for me, even though I regularly consume "Indica" which is supposedly the more sedating variety.

>>16385241
>no thanks man, I don't really like how it affects me
>i'll still hang out though :)
wow that was difficult

>>16385304
this
ive had to do this so many times and i feel like such a square but its much better than feeling very uncomfortable and paranoid for 2 hours

this is your immortal soul we are talking about here...
please...think carefully if you really want to jeopardize it like this

>>16385304
>>16385346
You both write like low IQ morons. That's because passive exposure to ultralow dose THC is MORE neurotoxic than an active dose. You shouldn't associate with cannabis cucks in the first place, and if you hang around them while they're hotboxing it up, you will lose brain cells yourself and suffer the consequences, perhaps worse than they are. Deep down, they don't respect you and hold contempt for you when you say "no thanks man I dont really like it". You are just a happy-go-lucky, otherwise friendless dimwit there for the ride. You aren't strong enough to sever the fake "friendship" and you aren't strong enough to rebuke, so you do the worst thing of all and do nothing. Cannabis users should be shamed for using such a lazy, retard tier drug that lowers cognition. I have more respect for intravenous heroin users than I do DUDE WEED bros, and even less respect for their wannabe lackeys like you two.

>>16385241
it'll give you energy if you're still digsesting food, slow metabolism and shit. you'll be awake for what seems like forever.

>>16385416
Cope and untrue.

>>16385245
I don't know about all that but I certainly notice worse sleep quality if I smoke too close to bedtime.

>>16385245
Too much science talk, say it in English.

>>16385405
were you raped by a joint as a kid or something?

>>16385392
Why would cannabis jeopardize that any more than alcohol or anything else? I've also read Jesus may have used cannabis in anointing oils for religious ceremonies. If you believe that the universe was created by a supernatural deity why would they put these plants here if not to be used?

>>16385432
No but it's clear that you were and enjoyed every minute of it

>>16385440
the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not to be eaten from, but it was still put here by god

>>16385423
Ask any heavy daily user of pot if they have dreams and anyone saying they do is a liar. Moderate usage can fuck with your REM sleep. But anyone that uses on a regular daily basis literally doesn't have dreams. Whether or not that's harmful is debatable, as we don't know the correlation between dreams and cerebrospinal fluid reduction, other than REM directly effects both.

>>16385462
How would we know what is good and righteous if not by seeing for ourselves?

>>16385470
Faith. Morality. You don't need to rape a child to know that you shouldn't rape a child.

>>16385467
The dose makes the poison. I don't think there is a lethal dose of THC or at least not one that has been found. Would be nice to know the answers to how harmful it actually is but the draconian laws haven't made these questions easy to study.

>>16385241
Stoners are fucking disgusting.

>>16385467
Bro I had so much trouble with sleep and it all went away when I stopped smoking every day. I didn’t know about this. I’m convinced it’s real

>>16385405
your meds, schizo!

>>16385476
Most things in life are not so black and white. Its almost never such an easy answer.

>>16385481
The book Why we Sleep goes into this a good bit. It seems to be the same for alcohol where it might improve sleep onset insonmia it is harmful to actual quality of sleep. This has also been consistent with my own n=1 experiments.

>>16385477
We're at least making progress with so many states legalizing and studying it's effects. I was a lifelong HEAVY user for 20 years when suddenly out of the blue smoking made me absurdly nauseous to where I would spend 3+ hours dry heaving after smoking, as someone that smoked 1/4oz every day for 20 years without ill effect. Doctors didn't know what the fuck it was, just giving me generic anti-nausea drugs. Then after Colorado went legal suddenly there's 10s of thousands of cases of the same syndrome now recognized as CHS (cannibanoid hyperemesis syndrome), that exclusively effects long-term heavy users.
>Tl;dr
Long term pot use is only just being understood now that it's legal to study, and it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

>>16385482
Schizos have accusatory, paranoid, and distorted views of the world, absent from that post.

>>16385501
That certainly is where the data seem to fall really short. I also wonder how much of this is just due to the modern cannabis strains that are bred to be abnormally high in THC. Digressing I've also seen some products that get marketed as good for sleep because they are high CBD with very small amounts of THC. People seem to like them but I'm not sure if its just snake oil or not.

>>16385517
I think there's certainly a lot of snake oil in the cbd market, especially so all the absurd products for pets, as if a dog can tell you he's less anxious as opposed to mildly sedated. Without getting political, I hope the federal ban is lifted at least. That would allow states to still keep it illegal, should they choose, while providing federal funding to research. Whether someone likes pot or not, leaving a complex series of chemical compounds unresearched because some folks might get high is retarded.

>>16385241
>>16385245
>>16385405
you all sound like moronic fuckheads. I take CBD sometimes with 1:1 THC and I dream just fine and it does help sleep. I usually have some right before bed.

>>16385552
>Druggie cope
Why dont you just do urself a favor and eat a bullet, the fact that you need drugs to cope with ur life should already be a sign to go for it.

>>16385517
CBD works.
>>16385555
I wouldn't call me a druggie as its natural and I hardly smoke it compared to waht you are implying. What is even funnier is all this retard faggot talk about fucking plant and you faggots most likely suck to RX if your dr says its good for you. Big pharm is worse kys even better then ibuprofen and other shit like that.

>>16385542
Yeah seems pretty reasonable to me. But for federal laws to change I'd guess you're fighting against plenty of competing interests that profit from keeping it illegal. The argument that I usually make to people who are staunchly against it is the comparison to alcohol. Making alcohol illegal just created a black market where disputes were settled through violence instead of with the courts. Not to mention the improperly distilled alcohol that wold also kill people. Also I think its pretty indisputable that alcohol is more toxic at least in the short term.

>>16385555
Also I don't use anything to cope at all. I'm not a depressed faggot such as yourself who thinks everyone else living is depressed sad faggot.

>>16385552
Ok. That wasn't what was being discussed. Go spend 20 years without being sober off of pot and then let's talk about it's long term effects.

>>16385564
Who gives a shit you come off like a fucking moron.

>>16385555
No need to be so morbid fren. Everybody has something that they need to cope. For some people its just stuff that may not be optimal in the larger sense but still may be net positive for an individual.

>>16385248
I understand exactly what you’re saying. Melatonin and GABA, maybe?

>>16385559
>DUDE WEED
>DUDE FIGHT THE POWER
>MUH BIG CORP FIGHT THE MAN
You really need to read ur post before sending it. Because im sensing some real r*dditnigger-tier shit in it.
>DUDE JUST A PLANT
Coral tree is also just a plant, its a poisonous one but a plant nevertheless should eat and smoke that too?

>>16385570
You come off as an angsty teen looking for an internet fight. You want to try having a discussion or do you wanna just say faggot and screech like an edgelord?

>>16385575
>DUDE BIG PHARMA
>DUDE SUCK JEW DICK
>MUH WEED FIGHT THE DUDE WEED
You really need to fuck off.
>DUDE ITS BIG PHARM BELIEVE HIM SCIENCE MAN BASED
>>16385578
If you wanted an honest discussion then you wouldn't be saying the things you are.

>>16385585
>I'm talking to one person
Ok

>>16385585
>Druggie r*dditnigger is now seething after being outed and as he doubles down on his gay arguments makes himself look even more pathetic
Sorry but at this point not even a lobotomy would save you.

>>16385555
Based.

>>16385591

>>16385602
Not based we are all brothers and need to learn how to live together peacefully.

>>16385245
>disrupts REM sleep and you happen to like dreams and REM sleep is what cleans cerebrospinal fluid
total non-sequitur
medicinal weed is literally prescribed for insomnia and other sleep deprivation issues
it's an excellent sleep aid if anything

I don't partake in illegal drugs.

>>16385602
Is black vernacular. If you wish to further erode the very cornerstone of your own culture, language, then by all means continue using your Ebonics.
>LOL, KEK, KEK, OMG!

>>16385241

I have still never figured out /ck/'s weird, irrational hatred of weed.

>>16385241
> feel like enlightened

It makes you so stupid Dunning-Kruger kicks in, and you get too stupid to realize how stupid you got.

>>16385612
Based.

>>16385611
Only in casual use. This is what needs to be studied. It's not simply a tolerance issue, after long term use it simply functions differently in terms of sleep/nausea effects. I'm not making this up, simply google it. There are literally hundreds of thousands of cases of completely contrary THC effects suddenly occuring in long term users. This needs to be studied, else short term use is inherently dangerous.

>>16385611
It is useful in mitigating sleep onset insomnia but that doesn't necessarily mean it is on the whole positive for sleep quality. The same can be said for the whole nightcap idea of alcohol.
>>16385620
The most creative stuff I've ever written has been thanks to a bit of THC. It also may just vary widely depending on the individual. I don't think we know enough to conclusively say for sure but there certainly seems to be some potentially positive as well as negative psychological effects.

>>16385612
What if it wasn't illegal? And why should the legality matter in the grand scheme of things. Don't let stupid laws stop you from doing what you want as long as you aren't hurting others.

>>16385627
I don't doubt that there's issues with consistency in long term or habitual use but it's been proven countless times that casual use is slightly beneficial and it's mostly psychological ie there is no physical dependence or disruption whatsoever, it's less harmful than say nicotine or caffeine which are considered socially acceptable dietary staples almost

>>16385619
>Why doesnt /ck/ encourage people to do drugs that turn you into a retard.
If u have read all the DUDE WEED posts here u should know why. Because druggies are nothing more than coping faggots.

>>16385646
Everybody copes somehow you just need to get over yourself.

>>16385652
It's hilarious to me that every single dude weed thread there's always that one guy calling stonerfaggots "druggies". The same guy probably saw Clint Eastwood smoke a cigarette and thought it looked cool. It just reeks of underaged or massively sheltered insecure faggotry.
Shit's been legal since forever now and practically any first world country you can smoke this stuff at no inconvenience. Fucking bodegas sell pre-rolls now.