/ck/ - Food & Cooking

We need to discuss the stale espresso coffee conspiracy.

Friendly remind not to burn your beans in a skillet in the garage.

>>15998291
aw yeh just as good as viet coffee, i wanted turk coffee only saw pics, i like fruity notes in coffee and instant coffee from korea it comes w sugar and creamer inside the packet super convenient... personally at home i use pour over method but didnt order one of the coffee makers...

how do i stop impulsive buying coffee beans?

Bripe just arrived.
Gonna fire it up with some medium roast.

>>15998581
Goona have to force yourself to not buy more than you need. Keep a list of ones you want to try for later. Its still impulsive, but you just add it to a list.

>>15998581
forget the beenz, collect deenz instead

If you're not doing battery acid light roasts in a modded popcorn popper you're not doing it right. It says so in the Rule Book. I have many graphs to prove this. Don't make me post them, fool.

>>15998612
Sweet case, bro. Is that felted mohair?

looking for a inexpensive way to make espresso at home, is the flair espresso worth it? or is there something better near that price range?

>>15998847
cafelat robot, basically the same but doesn't need preheating

>>15998764
Imagine thinking taking beans to ~417 is battery acid light.

>>15998847
I'll sell you my flair signature when my 58 arrives. Even toss in an lb of battery acid beans.

>>15998917
Can't even fit a lunar underneath.

>>15998968
That's really sexy. Post me some roast charts–I need to cum.
(How are you today, btw?)

>>15998980
Buy a hive. Buy the phidget usb dome. Quit burning beans. You can't eyeball temp. You're not a cyborg.

https://hiveroaster.com/collections/frontpage/products/cascabel-with-thermocouple-the-data-dome-plug-and-play

V60-02 comes tomorrow along with electric variable temp gooseneck. What grind setting should I start at on my Jx-pro (grey dot), 3.3? then I dial down to 2.7 until it becomes bitter or draw down takes longer than 2:30-3:15? How does this sound.


34g:480ml (1:14) at 205F, target brew time: 2:45
- Pre-heat brewer and rinse filter, discard water
- Grounds in center, create a bit of well in middle
- 68g of water to bloom (starting from inside and working towards outside of bed)
- Swirl gently until mixed and let rest for 45 seconds
- 290ml of water poured by ~1:15 seconds (from inside to outer bed, light agitation of bed but not too much or none at all)
- Cone should be full at this point
- Keep SLOWLY pouring to KEEP CONE TOPPED UP at all times until all of water used within the next 30s as a target (~1:45).
- After all water is in, give alternating stirs to get the grounds off side of paper and into middle of bed but don't create a vortex
- During draw down swirl once lightly around 75%

Coffee bed should be flat after brewing with few grounds stuck to side of filter (other than some fines)

Troubleshooting:
Grind should be first variable changed
Too slow draw down = water too cold or grind too fine
Too quick = too coarse, water too hot
Agitation
Filter types effect speed too so try different ones.

why do you dumbasses still go by shit like "medium fine" and "coarse-ish" and "5 on an encore" and shit instead of just describing grind size in micrometers

>>15999102
I don't think the average person is going to be spending $200 on a Kurve sifter to know.

>>15999159
Siftermax masterrace.

They just emailed out a printable guide btw.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1329/1459/files/KRUVE_Printable_BREWLER_Letter_Size.pdf

>>15999159
https://www.kruveinc.com/products/brewler
$15 + the cost of a magnifying glass if you have bad eyes

>>15999015
I can eyeball color very accurately. I don't burn beans. I can replicate results without probes and crap. I told you last year I was going to keep doing this by sight, sound, smell, and taste because I really enjoy it. I don't think there is any substitute for building skill based on deep, experiential hands-on knowledge. I have a feeling every roaster has that one guy who is very, very good at doing it analogue. I want to be that craftsman guy.

>While you were out buying things I was studying the bean.

>>15999258
>I have a feeling every roaster has that one guy who is very, very good at doing it analogue.

You would be wrong. Real hard to colorgrade a moving bed of coffee through all the fucking smoke in your garage.

> I don't think there is any substitute for building skill based on deep, experiential hands-on knowledge.

Correct. And once you have the knowledge, like you claim, you know how to REFINE your process. You're not a primitivist, you're posting on an international basket weaving forum. Vince can grind out chips all day on a coarse jnat but why? We've got tools available. A hive and a temp probe still gives you the autistic feedback you desire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC5mWYgiNlg&t=122s

>>15999225
Damn. I want one of these in Canada but it ships from Ch*na and falls just over the pathetic $20 customs exemption before you have to engage in hoop jumping.

>>15999363
>https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1329/1459/files/KRUVE_Printable_BREWLER_Letter_Size.pdf

Just print it for the time being.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1329/1459/files/KRUVE_Printable_BREWLER_Letter_Size.pdf

>>15999315
Have a nice day.

>>15999470
Why do you think all experience results in positive accumulation? Fucking up for years isn't going to make you better at not fucking up.

popcorn machine amirite guys

>>15999539
https://coffeetechniciansguild.org/blog/2018/4/10/fluid-bed-roasting-the-path-less-taken

So all that oil expressed out of the beans you're burning is going to accumulate and stick to the cast iron. And get burned over and over and over again. Yum.

>>15999521
>>15999569
Strawmanning pretty hard here. I typed out my basic process to help out that new guy in the previous thread. I've stopped discussing this with you because I realized this is a matter of ego to you. I am typing this out very literally out of courtesy. I didn't post this >>15999539.
Have a nice day.

>>15999681
Not a matter of ego at all. If I was in contact with someone who cared about improving at tennis but refused to play with anything but a $20 walmart racquet I'd try to urge him into something with a much higher skill ceiling. I honestly think you'd enjoy sitting around in your garage over a gas burner with the hive. You don't even have to pick up the data logger. $70 investment into something you'd enjoy. Think about it. It's something I looked at for a while when I was debating building something custom before settling on the test popper.

quick rundown on this thing?

>>15999721
if Keurig is Windows then Nespresso is Apple

Overpriced Italian garbage or decent coffee maker?

>>15999766
as of 2020 it is now overpriced chinese garbage, if you want a moka pot buy a stainless 6 cup that has the basket shrinker.

>>15999734
And manual espresso machines are Linux.

>>15999721
Capsules are not worth it; any system that seperates you form the bean too much can't be good imo.

Is pressing coffee still a thing?

How long do beans last in an unopened bag? I got this cereal milk flavor blend and want to go through a velvet cake blend before opening it

>>15999949
freeze them 3 to 5 days after roasting, and they will last forever

Finally got my hands on a Commandante and redclix, the former from France and the latter Canada. I have no idea why Commandantes have been so hard to get recently, and why the company produces so few, but whatever.

>>15998737
fyah

Hey coffee experts.
I'm a complete doofus and don't actually like or drink coffee.
Yet I do own a couple flats that I am putting on Airbnb and I'd love my guests to have a good time and I believe offering some variety would be nice.

What would be your recommendation for a reasonable coffe expérience ?
Atm I provide a Bodum French press and a pot of pregrinded pu'ta del cielo Chiapas coffee.
Should I provide a pour over dripper or a Moka pot on top of it ? Maybe another brand
What offers the biggest range of experience ?

I'm not investing in a fancy barista machine because people are pigs and will break it. Also I only have access to regular brands you could findnat a Wal-Mart (and not willing to invest more anyway).

Do you guys have some advices for.me? Thanks in advance

>>16000361
>muh pregrinded B&B rent seeking "gourmet" bean water
>no grinder and limited to Wal-mart (China) shit you won't miss being stolen or fucked up
Go get some unfiltered river water full of Giardia and run it through an old workboot. This will simulate the kind of fluids you and your enablers will be drinking when the North American Landlord purge begins like it did in China as you pay your debt to the proletariats of anti-partiailism.

Alternatively a couple packets of Starfucks Pike Place instant that the women will get wet over. Which also tastes like boot water.

>>16000361
Everyone wants Keurig.
Wide majority of the public want familiarity, not quality. And they all trust corporate plastic more than God and themselves.
Just make sure you have keurig and some pods. Most people just want that and don't want to touch a french press or a moka.

got the timemore c2 with advice here, works fucking amazing compared to the shitty hario one I had before, makes a great cuppa joe with a glass hario v60 and a $80 chink gooseneck electric kettle that can heat to 205 and stop.

>>16000511
Hell yeah. Amazing how throwing a few bux around changes things.

Is it just me or does the flair signature struggle with finer grounds?
I have a timemore nano and a standard brewhead for the flair. (I know the grinder is stepped but I've made it stepless by removing some parts)

I can't get under 35 seconds brew time unless the grounds are fairly coarse.
Is it just because the 40mm basket is too narrow? Or maybe my grinder is too inconsistent?
What kind of brew times are you guys getting anyways?

I'm thinking about upgrading to a m47 phoenix and a pro 2 brewhead since it's a bit wider.

How do I make the best french press coffee?

Grams of coffee beans to water ratio?
Brew time being pouring?

>>16000804
That's really a matter of taste.
Grind: somewhere between coarse and medium
Time: somewhere between 4 and 10 minutes
Ratio: no objective upper or lower limits
Experiment a little. You'll figure out what you like eventually.

>>16000832
I used to come on here years ago and ther were always coffee snobs who would say "no, fuckhole, there is a golden ratio"

>>16000862
I've been stirring up a lot of controversy lately by telling people to figure out what they like the best for themselves.

Sooo, ratio is really about how weak or strong you like it. I like strong coffee, so I used to put like 1/4-1/3 capacity of grounds into a press pot. Time and grind size are interrelated. You can't go finer than medium in a french press or just won't press. If it's too bitter you're either too fine or you're steeping too long for the grind size. If it's kinda sour or hollow-tasting you're too coarse or not steeping long enough. You can always add a little warm water if you used too much coffee, but you can't make it stronger. You should be able to figure it out in a few pots or less.

>>15998291
>What are you drinking?
>Do you like it?
>Getting anymore?
Affogato. I like it and will get more as the weather warms up.

>>16001011
>hoffmeme says affogato's are nasty
>never had one
Is he lying?

>>16000787
I've got no issues with shorter times on an m47p and old standard bottomless(nonpro compatible).

Noticed my VN gf has a phin.
Now I just need to inform her on buying fresh coffee.
Nice thingy though, no filter paper

>>16001058
Who's hofmeme? Try one and make up your own mind.

>>16001058
I like them, can mask if you fuck up your shot but doesn't totally overpower the espresso flavor. Pic related from the other day

>>16001058
hoffman never said affogato was nasty. He made some comment about the combination not rising above the sum of its parts (that it's no better than just eating ice cream alongside having an espresso) and that's kind of a weird take; (why does it have to be better to bring them together?)
It also didn't stop him from making a whole video trying out different recipes of homemade ice cream and different techniques to make the best affogato, then praising the difference his adjustments made to the outcome.

So I'd say hoffman likes affogato, and you would too.

>>16000804
my standard recipe
42 g coffee 750 g water 5 minutes total
1 minute bloom with 100 g water
pour 650 g water and paddle the grinds around
wait 3 minutes
paddle grinds again
wait 1 minute
press and pour

>>16001960
>blooming
>inmersion method
you could add sucking cock to your recipe and it would have a bigger impact in taste

>>15999782
>has the basket shrinker
the what

>>16002009
another filter disc that fits inside the basket, which allows you to fit less grounds without channeling

>>16002009
It's an ESL way of saying the grounds basket comes with a removable divider that you can use to reduce the volume to half.
It's supposed to let a 6-cup brew a 3-cup serving, but the ones I've tried have been shit.

Lads I have finals coming up in 4 weeks. Been studying this course for 5 years now and have to graduate. And I'm looking to coffee to power me up. But I'm tired of drinking Nescafe-powdered coffee. Sometimes I go out and get something from Starbucks but it ends up taking too much time with showers, dressing etc.
Recommend me a good coffee machine?

>>15999782
Any recommendations on brands to buy? I have a cheap shit aluminum one I’m eager to throw out

>>16000361
>bourgeois pig converting yet another housing into rental for tourist

Hopefully some retard tourist manages to kill himself doing something retarded in that house, and his family sues you and go though every possible level of appeal until you're millions in legal debt.

>>16002099
Hopefully you fall out of a helicopter.

>>15998612
unreal

>>15998291
I can’t taste the difference between brews unless I add milk to them.

>>16002522
um maybe buy better quality beans? should have a sheen to them and no rancid or off aftersmell.

when you grind them you should be able to bunch up the lil grinds and smell them and have it kind of hit you w a whiff but goes away almost immediately. no lingering scents. should be clumpy not wet or dry like silt or sand in water.

>>16002071
Moccamaster

>>16002529
Um maybe kill yourself, you little bitch. Ever thought of that? Huh?!

>>16002088
forget brands buy features, you won't get laid as a top based on a moka pot brand, this applies to everything but cars.

304 stainless steel and it will last until someone overfills with water and tamps the grounds.

>>16002544
can you kill yourself? not sure why you want me to. i don't even know you. do you think this turns me on? i'm not sexually attracted to you nor do i consider you someone i know or someone i'd ever contact...

>>16002529
>should have a sheen to them\

kek.

What's the least equipment-demanding way to produce a shot of espresso? I wouldn't mind getting more into coffee recipes, but I'm not about to spend hundreds on some giant pressurised motherfucker just for a tablespoon of coffee.

>>16003024
just substitute moka coffee for espresso. anything else between that and a giant pressurised motherfucker is garbage.

Use moka coffee, else you'll need an expensive grinder that is oriented for espresso usage.

>>16003024
Proper (9bar) espresso would be about 200 into a hand grinder and about 200 into a manual espresso machine. You could save a few bucks on the grinder, but you're not going to feel an extra $30 over the several years you'll use it. You could also fuck around and try to source/restore used gear. You could also spend like 130 or whatever on the pressurized flair, use storebought grounds, and upgrade later.

>>16003024
I think the cheapest you can do decent espresso is a Flair, but you’d still a good grinder on top of that, cheapest being some of the hand grinders recommended in these threads. Either that or try your luck with secondhand, espresso has a high entry cost and there’s not really any getting around it unfortunately.

>>16000804
2 rounded tablespoons per 8 oz water. Pour water into press once it's 200º, about half of the amount of coffee you want. Stir well, after 30 secs pour the rest of your water in. Brew 4 minutes. Press. Drink.

Coarse grind is preferable to me, but I've used preground Dunkin from the grocery store in a pinch.

All ratios, grind levels, and time are fluid and adjust to your tastes. Just make coffee. You'll figure it out.

>>15998847
flair, cafelat robot, or 9barista are your best bets for cheap, good espresso at home

>>16003498
>>16000931
>>16000832


I'm pleasantly surprised to find replies that aren't coffee snobs! Much appreciate the encouragement, friends


What I tried today was:
25g Coffee
400g Water
200+ degree water
4 minute brew time


I think I'll adjust beans up to 30, and water to 450g because it didn't quite fill my coffee mug. I liked the flavor though.

>>15999766
not espresso by definition but still better and cheaper than a lot of the hipster brew methods

Can someome tell me why Coca Cola would release a Coca Cola Chocolate Coffee Coke Blend?

>>16000433
This deserves a you

Anyone know the name of the vase-like coffee cup on the right? I love its silhouette but I can't track down what it's called

>>15998319
The one where all commercial espresso tastes like they ran it through the "ye old musty book store" filter?

>>16004511
it is recomended to only brew espresso with 5-7 day old roasted beans, the conspiracy theory is that the goombas that came up with espresso and those who market it as the end all of coffee, only do so to get rid of stale beans.

>>16002493
Lol did you just post a soyjack in a coffee thread?

>>16004230
>I love its silhouette
nigga u gay

>>16002071
Good luck on your finals. I have mine next and that'll be my third year

>>16004230
Potter here. This shape of cup is called a beaker, more specifically a bell-beaker. Hopefully that helps you find one.

Clever dripper bro here. Anyone have experience making a concentrated brew to dilute? My parents visited recently and although I was able to make coffee for everyone in batches it wasn't ideal. Is there a good method for making maybe 400ml of concentrate and diluting it out to 800ml?

>>16006165
Why not have more than one dripper?

>>16006165
inmersion sucks for concentrate, you would have to experiment with stirring.

How would an aerorpress cup compare to an above average dripper?

>>16006201

I could look into that, though that doesn't alleviate much of the hassle of having to do everything twice. Would be nice to be able to grind and steep once for the whole process.

>>16006201

I know folks who use an aeropress in that fashion and thought it might be able to transfer over to the Clever. Not sur z though. I'll do some experiments and see how it goes.

>>16006252
You could do a chemex, or set up a little row of individual clever drippers. Pouring multiple little stations wouldn't add much more work because everything would happen at the same time in series. If you're making more coffee, you have to grind more coffee. There's no way around that one. This is why percolators and auto drip machines became popular. They trade a little bit of convenience for worse coffee.

>>16003806
how is it not espresso?

>>16006211
personally, I find that having pressure force the water through the coffee bed and paper changes the beverage alot; even the low pressure of an aeropress.

More junk gets through the paper when there is more pressure. In extreme cases, if you were to push insanely fast like a retard, the cup can be cloudy even.
I find that I have a difficult time not leaving an astringent and powdery feeling in the cup, no matter how gently I press. The coffee looks clear, but it tastes off.

The only answer I have is to just drip instead. Which is basically aeropress with zero force.
Mind you, nobody really talks about this. Maybe it's just a problem with 'me' and my setup.

>>16006316
Do you use multiple sheets? I thought aeropress filter was too thin compared to pour over filters.

>>16006351
Honestly, I did start using multiple sheets at one point, and it did help a lot. But I was a little upset to be doing so, because it's not something I've ever seen anyone recommend. It felt like I was a retard coming up with a retarded solution to a problem that was caused elsewhere.

>>15998612
kys

>>16000361
put a Decent DE1XXL in every flat

>>16001058
who gives a fuck what that literal faggot has to say
affogatos are fucking delicious

>>16005597
I can't really think of a more fitting response to a bripe.

>>16006165
buy the large size chemex

>>16006710
This, the guy has good brewing advice but you don't have to adopt his opinions for fuck's sake

>>15998612
God why did you buy this. Was it good at least?

>>16006710
Actually his missus is kinda hot.

>first v60 brew
>Jx-pro grinds 1/4 of the beans then randomly stops with no resistance, clean the burr with some air and it starts again (IDK what stopped the beans from feeding in)
>start 70ml bloom over 34g coffee but then panic and forget to start timer for ~30 seconds
>it's like... fucking frozen or something and so solid it doesn't even swirl
>add the rest of the pour to top it off
>nearly scald myself swirling twice and almost bowling the whole set up over once
>fuck up the ratio by 50ml
>keep winging it

Came out okay if a bit weak at 3.3 on the Jx-pro. More oil than I was expecting on the top but no silt which was nice. Was probably 3:30 to 4min draw down if I didn't fuck up the timer. Tomorrow will be better. Hopefully.

>>16007008
>Tomorrow will be better. Hopefully.
That's the challenge with making coffee day by day and hoping to improve - you can do it, but unless you're pretty meticulous in noting what you change and where you think you've fucked up, it's a slow process. I would humbly suggest that if you want to speed up your learning curve, accept the cost of a bag of coffee or two, and spend a day off making batches and tweaking, tasting - and then tipping it out so you don't overcaffienate the fuck out of yourself, until you get your process smoothed out and the recipe dialled in. Similar suggestion when it comes to steaming milk - learning day by day is a bitch compared to accepting that you'll just go through a full bottle in about an hour and come out way in front.

>>16004230
>>16006161
I prefer glass beaker for iced coffee.

Any Pact man in?
Enjoying this tasty Colombian in a V60

>>15998612
motherfucker, that's an expensive shitpost.

>>16005461
The answer, as with everything is always "It depends"
You need to understand why you're letting it degas in the first place. Then after that, depending on how far the espresso rabbit hole you go, you'll be looking for the optimum level of volatile acids in the coffee. These volatile acids give the coffee its smell. Fun fact, these same acids account for around %2 of the weight of the beans and are constantly diffusing out of the beans. Also, of that %2, around a third is lost in the first minute after it has been ground.
But again, it depends on a few factors, including but not limited to; roast profile, contact with oxygen, and temperature.

Any tips on developing pallette? Every coffee is either "mm this is nice coffee" or "bleh something weird about this one"

I cannot really tell what im tasting

Then again does it even matter

>>16007854
>Then again does it even matter
It doesn't have to. If you can get to a point where you know what you like, you know how to dial in with minimal waste, you don't have to get too wrapped up in palette. That said, I found this helpful:
- comparative testing. Make two coffees with different beans, and taste them sequentially, and ask yourself "which is sweeter? which has more complexity? which has more or less body? which do I prefer the mouth feel of?" Having more than one coffee to taste at once gives you a frame of reference.
- Look at the tasting notes on the bags, and with each taste or sip, focus on one attribute only and see if you can detect it. Whether that's stone fruit, or toffee, or papaya or whatever

>>16006660
Nou
>>16006774
Even your god James Hoffman said it was fine. Why would you doubt your holy prophet?
>>16007740
Show me as quick of a handheld brewing solution for cheaper.

>>16007854
I did a little personal challenge two years ago. I wasn't allowed a "Good" espresso unless I'd had a miserable espresso. Starbucks, Tim Hortons, 7/11, Blenz, etc didn't count as it'd be too easy. I had to really explore Vancouver looking for shit coffee.
What this did, was give you a comparison. Once you are able to identify exactly what is wrong with a coffee, it's much easier to appreciate what is good about a coffee.
After that, cut down on processed food and carbs. When you cut down on carbs, food will begin to taste sweeter, especially milk. It won't be sugar sweet, but god damn, milk tastes fucking delicious if you've cut carbs for two weeks.

>>16006161
Thanks man, will look up bell-beakers

>>16008004
Did you have to go full keto? Or to what extent did you cut carbs

>>16007890
>Hand-held
Why does anyone need a hand held brew method?

>>16008038
I had read that going carnivore helps with hay-fever, so I gave it a shot. But soon ended up at a point where I was only eating anything that came from an animal. I didn't split hairs if I was out with friends and are something like wings or breaded chicken, but generally ate as little of that stuff as possible.
I don't think you'd have to completely exclude them to have the same effect, but cutting down is a good start.
You can also train your pallet. Add different fruits to boiled water, let it sit for an hour then run it through a paper V60 filter and see if you can guess the flavour. Shit like pineapple and oranges work great.

What's the best flavor to add to coffee and why is it sweetened condensed milk? Seriously a single swirl of that stuff completes every coffee, hot or iced, and even tops off my moka shots with a delightful flavor and consistency.

>>16007890
Get over yourself

>>16008053
>carnivore helps with hay fever
huh. I suffer from hay fever relatively often and never heard about that. Any other dieting tips to assist with oppressive allergies during allergy season?
My general diet is pretty heavy on meat and veg. Minimal processed foods. I don't dodge carbs but I don't go out of my way for them.

>>16008088
That doesn’t even make sense.

>>16005597
coffee isnt soy, its about how you drink it

>>16007854
I was in college and had no money anymore to buy creamer and forced myself to go black without sugar and that was the exact moment I started being able to pinpoint precise differences in each coffee. It also helps to drink a coffee side by side or even switch it up day to day. If I have an ethiopian one day and then a guatemalan the next it'll be very obvious I'm drinking something different. If you're more or less drinking the same shit everyday then you'll have no reference to pick out tasting notes

Just managed to score a Rancilio Silvia off ebay, think it only comes with a bottomless portafilter and the unit itself.
What do I need to get before I can get going with it and how far will a Wilfa Svart get before I need to give up and upgrade grinder too?

>>16007890
Brewing coffee in a used sock would probably taste “fine” and I’d save money and look like less of a fag

>>16006963
Ofc you'd fall for the beard.

>>16007701
Will try them soon tbqh.

>>16000433
you will never be a woman

Is there such a thing as good decaff coffee?

>>16008692
Using a bripe unironically makes someone less of a faggot than using an aeropress.

>>16001988
Ehhhhh, I do a similar "bloom". It's less about taste and more about getting all the CO2 out of the way before trying to fill the press and put the lid on.

Has anyone ever tried putting coffee in a hip flask? How long will coffee stay warm in a non-insulated metal vessel?

>>16008798
It actually has a "legitimate" use case as well. Much better travel brewer than the spergopress.

>>16000787
If you have an instant read thermometer, check what your brew water temp is right before you pull the shot. The issues I had with the Flair initially all came down to not enough preheating. You want to ideally be in the high 190F range, if possible, and you'd be surprised how much faster the shot pulls with a 10F difference in water temp.

>>16006211
I've found that the Aeropress works really well for some coffees, but not others. Sometimes I'll have a coffee that I can't make a good brew with on a V60, but it'll come out nice and sweet in an Aeropress, whereas others come out bright and complex in the V60 but are a pain in the ass to dial in the right grind for Aeropress.

>>15998291
Gonna head over to the kitsune cafe in New York on Friday because I have to pick up a polo shirt I bought at the adjacent archives store there. In the mean time I want to pick up some of their exclusive coffee blend and have a hot cup at the cafe. I am a massive beginner to the coffee world and really only want to try the coffee because I’m a fan of the clothing brand (consoomer much?).

Is it really anything special compared to some of the other comparable blends out there?

Trying my hand at making webms. Pulled this shot with my flair this morning

>>16009861
That channeling, though

>>16009861
jesus anon , tell me you didn't make another human bean drink that sour mess

Drinking this, just picked it up today here in Vancouver. The roast date is 4/24. Its okay, pretty good. I've had joocier ethiopian coffees. I still can't find as good as a coffee that I had at Partners Coffee in NYC.

from the package:
"Producer: 410 Producers, Mijane Woresa
Varieties: Indigenous Heirloom Varieties
Process: Washed
Region: Gedeb District, Gedeo Zone
Elevation: 2000 – 2200 masl
Importer: Royal

Worka Sakaro is one of two washing stations owned by Mijane Woresa and his sons in the Gedeb Region of Ethiopia. As a family-owned business, they are invested in not only improving the quality of their coffee but also the community they live in; They have contributed to road construction projects that make travel for everyone a bit easier. They are also responding to local needs by investing in school infrastructure projects and making sure that children have equipment to play sports.
Tasting Notes: Peach, Black Tea, Jasmine"

>>16009883
>>16009951
I drank it myself, how can you tell that it's channeling? How can I take steps to correct it?

>>16010004
What are your favorite roasters in Vancouver? is Pallet any good? I order my shit from RougeWaveCoffee in Edmonton. All the local shit I've tried is doodoo.

>>16010112
The jets that are shooting out are spots where it's channeling, also the fact that you have bare spots on the bottom of the portafilter when espresso is flowing out means that water isn't extracting the coffee in those locations. Usually it means you need to work on your distribution, and/or use less pressure. The nice thing about the Flair is that you don't have to slam on it with 9 bars of pressure. I usually go 6-7 bars.

Feel free to reply to my post anytime

>>16008664

>>16010133
I really like pallet. Especially when i can get my hands on their box sets (adventure box, gesha boxes). Pallet is actually my go to roaster, I usually get a bag of the Ismael Hassen. But i was out of coffee today, and (apparently) pallet closes on Mondays now, so i just went to Matchstick. Otherwise I like rocanini in kerrisdale too!

>>16010271
No.

what's everyones favourite instant.

im really into nescafe azera atm

>>16008711
I don't care if he's gay or not, I'm just saying I'd put one through her.

>>16010601
I have to put in lots of cream every time I have instant to hide that awful flavor. It happens when I have a packed schedule and need something to sip on during my next appointment/meeting/etc

>>16007854
Everyone's advise in response to this one has been good so far, but I think what helped me a lot was getting into lighter roasts. Their flavors end up being more stand-out than medium dark/dark roasts, and once you begin to be able to pinpoint the flavors in light roasts (often fruity, though not always), you have the beginning of learning how to pinpoint those flavors in coffees in general, and then you can start on trying with medium and dark roasts too (although for what it's worth, the darker you go, the less 'specific' flavors you get and instead you start getting those real nice "coffee" flavored coffee notes, and the roasty flavors people look for).

I had found a light roast from some Vermont roaster that claimed to have a strawberry note and when I began brewing the right way, being able to taste that strawberry in my coffee was eye-opening, and really helped things.

>>16006161
>Potter here

>>16008022
You're welcome. It's an ancient cup shape from a very far-reaching civilization they keep finding all across Europe, the British Isles, and northern Africa from late stone age to early bronze age, known as the Beaker Culture. Archaeologists think they were primarily used for beer and mead. I don't think coffee had quite been discovered yet, and certainly hadn't made it that far north from Ethiopia/Eritrea yet. I think coffee first got seriously cultivated and refined in Yemen after that. But that shape of cup continued to be made from time to time by humans up to today, even independently of cultural influence (though we are always inspired by ancient object we see). I like to think tool and object shapes that keep popping up throughout history have an intrinsically attractive or useful ergonomic design to humans. the inverted bell shape just fits in the hand, I suppose.

>>16008022
>>16012059

https://www.slowpoursupply.co/products/origami-sensory-cup-300ml?variant=32118916251713

Close enough?

>>16009861
your average /coffee/ poster

>>16006963
post pics of the "missus" plz

>>16007890
>quick
>handheld
>cheap
caring about any of these things means you're a fucking idiot

>>16012152
Well isn't that fun?
What is old is new.

>>16009861
That errant water-stream. Nope.

>>16006313
Pressure is much lower than espresso machine. Also the coffee is not pressed down.

are single origins harder to extract than blends or am I just coping?

>>16008110
I read that people who suffered hay-fever and did carnivore, noticed that their symptoms returned whenever they ate liver, as the liver stores histamines. I noticed that it worked for me, but don't take my word as gospel.
I'm just an anon on a Mongolian basket weaving forum who dislikes people who simultaneously enjoy a bripe and the taste of Tyrones cummy dick after he's fucked their wife.

>>16012906
cope and seethe

>>16013548
coof and seethe

>>16010165
>>16009883
>>16009951
Thanks for the feedback! I took a video of the shot I pulled this morning and there was significantly less channelling, really only when I first applied the pressure. I took a video but my lighting got screwed up halfway through so I don't particularly want to upload it. I think I should more slowly ease up the pressure I apply to the 6-7 bar region that one anon suggested.
Today's shot definitely is less sour than yesterday's

>>16014140
Go ~1bar for ~10 seconds until you get the first drips out of the bottom. A slow preinfusion will let the puck hydrate fully instead of you just forcing water through coffee.

>>16014140
Good to hear. The most challenging aspect of espresso for me was getting good distribution consistently. Nothing more frustrating than getting a good shot only to have the next one channel like crazy.

What if I made ochazuke with coffee? Like couhizuke

>>16014853
Why tho?

>>16015563
I was watching the pottery girls and I thought of it

>>16015642
Tea leaves have an interesting flavor when you eat them, and they have some nutritional value, but eating spent coffee grounds would probably be disgusting.

>>16015642
>the pottery girls
that sound neat. I miss doing pottery. Is it Let's Make a Mug Too?

>>16000433
Base

>>16015669
Ochazuke is just pouring green tea over rice with optional toppings like nori or umeboshi. So "couhizuke" would be pouring hot coffee over rice
>>16015700
Yes

>>16015746
i hate moe anime, but love virtual idols.

>>16015760
Don't toy with me miss hoffman :'(

>>16012906
if they're roasted light they will be harder to extract, grind finer, increase water temp.

What's the best way to get drunk with coffee?

>>16015827
Kaluha and Bailey's

>local roastery
>claims their single origin beans are omniroast
>they're all dark roasts optimized for sweetness at expense of every other taste

Why do they do this?

>>16015962
Same reason mcdonald's sells shitty burgers.

>>16015746
Coffee over rice sounds unpleasant but maybe it'd be good with a bean with floral or fruity notes, or if you incorporated it into some sort of rice dessert.
>>16015760
luv moeshit
luv coffee
'ate virtual idols
simple as

>>16015962
Thankfully ordering from the internet is just as easy and costs the same if there's a free shipping deal. My local roastery doesn't even sell freshly roasted beans in its shop, and they have the same problem with roasting everything dark, even the "light" roasts. So they can get fucked.

>>16015990
your oshi has not made it to the web, yet

>>16015962
become free of bad roasters, roast your beans, this is /ck/ after all.

>>16014422
Thanks, I'll try that in the morning and put up a video! I'm tempted to do it tonight but the half life of caffeine in the body is ~5 hours and I want to sleep at a reasonable hour
>>16014456
Yeah, I find myself wishing I had one of those fancy distribution tools, but I might try nigger-rigging one with some high gauge wire and a block of wood. I also only have a javapresse grinder which I've heard is not incredible, that's probably my next upgrade.

>>16016226
I use a wine cork with some acupuncture needles stuck into it.

>>16016226
Def upgrade the grinder asap. That's holding you back 100%. And cork+needle(or paperclip if its all you can find) is a tried and true solution. Just set the needle deep enough to make scratching your basket impossible.

>>16015962
Because they counted on their customers being faux faggots, and not an actual rare legit faggot.

>>16016460
This guy is roasting anaerobic fermentation beans to charcoal. I don't understand this.

I'm drinking 420ml of v60 twice a day spaced out 6-8 hours between. AKA 840ml total. Is that too much?

Cold brew gang

>>16016255
gotta make sure to use clean needles

>>15998291
Today I had my coffee with some milk that I had mixed with crunchyberry crumbs and let soak overnight

Why does grounded coffee come in bags while instant coffee come in jars?

>>16018480
grounded coffee comes in plastic containers, like folgers

Lemme tell you something

COFFEE

is

MEAT

Should I buy the baratza encore or should I buy a similarly priced manual grinder like the jx pro?

Right now I have small cusinart blade grinder and it isnt bad but it is inconsistent at times. I like the idea of the encore because its bigger and automatic but I hear manual grinders are much more precise. What to do?

>>16019381
Was in a similar position to you and went for the Jx-pro a week ago. Takes me 45-50 seconds to grind 34.3g at a 3.4.0 setting I use for V60, happy with my purchase and the consistency is great, feels like it will last a decade or more but I haven't seasoned it (probably 2lb of beans through it). If you don't worry about waking housemates up for early morning brews or have no desire for experimenting past Aeropress-tier shit then might as well go Encore though. Only thing that worries me is motors as a failure point and a bit less consistency (who cares). My blade grinder was fucking trash even shaking it up you'll probably be happy with either one.

I did put some 1950m elevation light roasted Ethopian beans through and it was a workout with some hitching but for medium roast it's not a problem (I have an RSI and weaker than the average person though).

>>16019408
Though my blade grinder can be inconsistent I have been using it long enough to almost always get what I want. If I want a medium grind I can get 95% of the way there with some fines and bigger chunks.

I dont care THAT much about perfect consistency. I do do lots of different brew methods though as I enjoy coffee in various ways. I have a drip machine, pour over, moka pot, and a small (admittedly shitty) espresso maker. So it would be nice to be able to get consistent grinds of various sizes. What do you mean by seasoned? Never heard that term for a coffee grinder.

Theyre both about the same price either way

having my french pressed Chock Full O' Nuts coffee.

>>16019416
If you're doing Espresso then get the Jx-pro, the encore isn't known for getting good results that fine. I used to think I was good with my blade grinder technique and fucking around removing boulders/paper towel tricking the fines but it was just me lying to myself. You're already wasting 45-50+ seconds if you're fucking with the blade grinder so your workflow is still improved with the manual.

>>15998291
Who else ITT /ScandiStyle/?

>>16018631
The mass produced ones, yes, but any "craft" ground coffee comes in bags. Just look at the coffee section of any city supermarket

novice roaster here, did my 4th batch today
>Heat gun + stove
>stainless steel pot, no preheating
>12 minutes
>medium roast
this is the one, finally a roast i expect to reproduce weekly, at least until my 11 lb of nicuaraguan run out.

Starting evening shift again and usually I do espresso but I'd like a method that allows me to make a 2-3 cup thermos of decent cawfee to bring to work in one shot, ideally something simple that needs no disposable filters.
French press or some kind of pour over maybe?

>>16020056
Most pourovers have capacity for 2 cups. If you wanted to splurge you could get a breville precision and just bring the carafe to work with you

>>16020056
I used to bring a bunch of French Press coffee to work and it holds up pretty well in a thermos, cold brew isn’t my favorite but it works pretty well for this purpose too.

>>16019922
Probably because the Folgers is so stale that degassing isn't a problem, whereas the ones in the bag do let off some CO2 as they rapidly get stale.

>>16020458
>Folgers is so stale
What do you mean anon? The can container clearly says
>Rich, pure taste

>>16020458
folgers doesnt taste stale, its yummy yummy

>>16006963
>>16010740
where are the pics

>>16016226
>Thanks, I'll try that in the morning and put up a video!
where are the videos :(
we want to see you improving and getting better, gives hope to the rest of us

>>16021178
Fucked it up this morning and didn't see fit to upload it. Tomorrow, I swear I'll upload the video no matter how garbage it looks

can I get an F

>>16009803
Update for you jerkoffs who were too good to respond

Went to the kitsune cafe in Greenwich village New York. Ordered an iced americano (because I’m in a fleece jacket and it’s hot and humid and gross out) and a toasted ham baguette. Both were extremely pleasant, but this is a coffee thread so ill be talking about the coffee

Its a dark roast yet still manages to be light and delicate. Notes of chocolate and hazelnut, barely bitter and pretty much no acidity to it. The best French roast I’ve yet to drink. I bought a 250 gram bag to bring with me back to Florida. Will be buying more

>>16009803
Update for you jerkoffs who were too good to respond

Went to the kitsune cafe in Greenwich village New York. Ordered an iced americano (because I’m in a fleece jacket and it’s hot and humid and gross out) and a toasted ham baguette. Both were extremely pleasant, but this is a coffee thread so ill be talking about the coffee

Its a dark roast yet still manages to be light and delicate. Notes of chocolate and hazelnut, barely bitter and pretty much no acidity to it. The best French roast I’ve yet to drink. I bought a 250 gram bag to bring with me back to Florida. Will be buying more

>>16022290
>this is a coffee thread so ill be talking about the coffee
Breakfast post are allowed?

>>16022377
Coffee to keep it relevant

Just started drinking Turkish coffee. It's pretty good but I'm still figuring things out. Anyone have any tips for making it well?

>>15998291
>mixes into your coffee

>>16015962
>supermarket light roast
>it's just obsidian beads
>>16023122
Don't. Even Vietnamese coffee is better.

>>16023122
https://youtu.be/UghjdGRhCPE

>>16022377
goddamn it now I want bone marrow

Coof

>>16025098
eeee

>>16025111

Got a Delonghi Dedica (will never not sound like an italian dick joke) 685 just yesterday and its leaking water and probably broken.
Now I see this as a sign of a higher power to reconsider my ways and wanted to ask how the view here on the Dedica 685 is, if I should get another one and if yes, if anyone knows a better one in a similar price range.

Just had some nes with almond milk. Gonna pour myself another.

>>16021178
Channeled a little bit when I tried to go to higher pressure so I backed down to ~5 bar, not sure if this matters too much but I tamped with a lot more force today than yesterday. Seemed to flow a bit fast today and yesterday so tomorrow I'm grinding a little finer. The important thing - it tasted much better than either of the last two days shots. At the very least less sourness for sure

I am brewing the following:

>Cheap Aldi breakfast blend
>Kasuya method
>Kasuya V60 special edition pour over
>Grinded with Commandante (34 clicks)

Even cheap Aldi coffee tastes good when you use the Kasuya method and a good grinder.

I tried the preinfusion method with my Gaggia classic pro and it worked amazingly. It's so versatile.

Is pour-over significantly different from french press?

>>16025966
VERY different. Tastes way cleaner and crisper.

>>16026042
>Tastes under extracted

>>16026042
Interesting, I enjoy coffee on the richer side, would you say pour-over provides that? If not then what would be my best option aside from an espresso maker?

>>16022377
Sauce? What's this called?

>>16026119
Aeropress

Hey bros, I’m going to Dunkin’. You want anything?

>>16026275
yeah I'll have uuhhhhhhhhhh

>>16026275
yeah get me a BigDunk Supreme, with extra sugar and vanilla syrup.

>>16026045
Get a better grinder, grind finer.

>>16026045
Try the Kasuya method with the Kasuya V60 model.

>>16026292
Too fine and you'll end up with channelling which causes under extraction. If you can find the sweet spot for grind size you're golden, but a Fresh press doesn't have this problem regardless of grind size.

>>16026317
How do you end up with channeling with pourover? Are you pouring from five feet up on a stepladder? If you're getting backsplash your High Pours are too high.

>>16026337
Grind your beans into dust and water won't be able to find their way through them evenly, even if it's poured from a sensible height.

>>16026357
I have done this, and I assure you you don't get channeling. You get a dense puck of superfine sludge that takes three minutes to filter each pour. And it's most definitely not underextracted.

>>16026419
If you break up the puck you'll be fine. But you COULD be jacking it to anime girls while your French press does the extracting for you.

K A S U Y A
A
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A

Method and V60 special edition is all anybody in this thread needs, plus a Commandante grinder and a decent gooseneck.

>>16026436
Imagine not working in a kubomi bloom and gentle melodrips. NGMI.

>>16025572
Improvement. Did you try the pre infusion?

What grinder should I buy for expresso?

>>16026822
hario skerton

>>16026822
Mortar and pestle

>>15998291
You might as well take some meth too you fucking degenerates. Caffeine is not real energy or good for you.

>>16026119
You can use a mocha pot you fucking meth head. It's all bad for you and coffee tastes bad regardless.

>>16027107
It doesn't make you energetic. Just keeps you from getting drowsy. Also, it tastes good, so it's a win-win for most people.

>>16026822
Food processor does the trick and won't make you look like a pretentious faggot

>>16027763
thanks for the advice, now my PB tastes like stale coffee.

>>16000787
I've got a shit tier espressione grinder. If I'm lucky I get extraction times around 30 seconds with the signature

>>16008795
You get what you pay for, but generally speaking, dark roasted decaf blends taste the best

>>16023122
I feel like cardamom is obligatory. I bought a larger cezve and I realized that you want to make sure that you actually fill it a decent way with water/coffee. Otherwise, you won't get much of foam up and you might just end up boiling it.

>>16027426
I mean, if we're getting into the whole adenosine receptors nonsense you're correct there. Sports science literature generally points to caffeine being benign to beneficial; it increases cardiac output, athletic performance, and helps you focus. I've never been a nut who takes something insane like mg per pound of body weight, but I've done some of my heaviest work under the influence of a bang.

>>16028679
>something insane like mg per lb
Is that "insane"? I'm 140lbs. 140mg is a slightly stronger cup of coffee. I don't think of having one cup of coffee as "insane"

So I have a cheap espressione burr grinder I got off amazon, and I think it's time to upgrade. I flip flop between using it for chemex and my flair signature. I feel like as a consequence, my pourover takes alot longer, even after several purges. That, and I can't really grind fine enough for espresso anyways, and have to compensate by dosage and tamping super hard. I'm looking at the breville dose control pro since I've heard its pretty good. Any suggestions?

>>16026119
What you lose in body, especially if you use a chemex, you gain in clarity and flavor. If the stars align you can taste the tasting notes on the bag. Its a less rich cup, but a more flavorful one at that

>>16000361
kinda late but the last time I was at an airbnb they had these packets of preground sort of like tea bags and you'd just put them in a drip maker and they made a drinkable pot
if you find out where to get those any retard can put them in a drip maker and use them and you won't get sad if a $15 mr coffee gets stolen as opposed to a $60 keurig

>>16028686
Sorry, I forgot the number like a retard. In some powerlifting circles, I've heard of people taking upwards of 2 or 3 mg of caffeine per pound of bodyweight. So I weigh about 240. that would mean over 700 mg of caffeine. I bet I could get a heavy single with that much. Shit my pants and die afterwards though

>>16012046
deh

>>16025606
Aldis breakfast blend is great and so is the donut one. They are solid tasty basic bitch beans. Better than most over burnt store bought.

>>16026428
>jacking to cartoons
>french press
Shit taste all round

>>16027763
>i've never tasted what my coffee should taste like: the post

205F too hot for medium roasts?

>>16029152
I stopped replying because it wasn't very interesting trolling. Do you ever do that? Replies must be earned by either being interesting and informative, or amusingly absurd bullshit. Most people here have a sense of those expectations. Maybe that's why this site is so weird.

>>16029157
>he uses a grinder instead of a mortar/pestle
You’ve never tasted your coffee either; it’s actually the coffee imagined by some engineer and ground by the work of some machining apprentice, neither of whom you’ll ever meet.
You’re merely lending them your electricity, and letting them have their way with your beans. For shame.

>>16029207
I have variously ground coffee with two electric grinders, three hand grinders, a mortar and pestle, and, one night working away about to do some fairly difficult technical work with a small team from 1am to 7am, and realising I'd forgotten my grinder, two different sized saucepans. Food processors are a fucking horrible way to grind coffee. Mortar and pestle is possible but a giant pain in the arse.

>>16029157
Autism

>keep smacking v60 with goose neck
One of these days I'm gonna knock this shit over.

>>16028679
Meth increases your whatever output too, why do you think they give stimulants to military people? It's all bad for you and you copers are in denial.

>>15999766
Decent, I had one in college. For the price its pretty hard to beat.

>>16024359
>>16026213
Roasted bone marrow?

>>16030826
Milk on top of espresso coffee

drinking gesha for the first time and its rrl rrly good

>>16025572
Definite improvement. Get that grinder upgrade and focus on puck preparation. I didn’t time it, what was the dose and time of that shot?

Finally took the plunge got some entry level shit—I now have that bodum burr grinder and a temp-accurate gooseneck kettle. Is the rest of this just now trial and error with temperature, grind, etc?

I dont wanna swallow the koolaid and buy a bunch more shit if I dont need to, just wanna make good coffee.

I’m getting tired of Happy mug big foot espresso i’m finishing up their 2lb bag. Its really good for the price but i was wondering if there was other similar roasters that have a good price per pound? red bird is good but happy mug beats them on price

>What are you drinking?
William Spartivento Crema
>Do you like it?
It's OK, but I was expecting more.
>Getting anymore?
No. Despite getting that shit at Costco in a huge bag, I still feel like I paid too much for what I ended up getting.

But tomorrow, we goin' for the DELUXE SHIT: Matera Bourbon Café. That shit is literally crack, I love it.

>>16000804
Mine could probably be better but I enjoy it so meh

I have a Cuisinart burr mill, I use the smallest setting (4 cups) on the coarsest setting and dump that into my 34oz French press. Also use an electric kettle because the stove takes eons and this takes a few minutes and always gets it to the right temperature.
>Let water sit for a minute or two
>Stir grounds in water after with wooden spoon
>Let sit for another four to six minutes
>Pour

I do this every morning before heading off to work. It's noticeably better than any Keurig or dripper. I do want to try pour-over and see if it's any better but I am wondering if it's just a fad. I like my French press method plenty, but you never know if there's something you're missing out on.

Also, I drink my coffee black FWIW.

>>16000361
I would certainly appreciate something nice myself but as others have said most people are fine with garbage Keurig pods. If not then a dripper.

>>15998291
What do you guys think of my morning cup of tea? Tasty, right?

Should I clean my moka pot with hot water and soap, or just hot water?

>>16031525
Dose was ~14 g took ~35 seconds total
>>16026783
Thanks! Yeah, I did.

Today's I had to eyeball the 14 g because my scale is out of batteries. Made the grind finer but it tasted underextracted because I fucked up the lighting and had to fix that so the brew chamber + water cooled a bit more than I would have liked. Sorry that in general the video footage is worse looking this time

>>16031940
Wash it with soap.
Take the filter out and clean under it too.

>>16031932
do you leave it unwashed for extra taste?

>>16031940
soap, and if aluminum it should be done quickly after use and dried.

>>15998291
what's the best way to use coffee as an ingredient in a sweet?
(im thinking something like ice cream or a Frappuccino or some shit, but some new ideas would be good)

Folgers tastes like cat piss.

>Mahlkönig home grinder

It's over, Nichebros.

>>16032708
>It's over, Nichebros
fucking good, the sooner that company goes under the better

>>16032019
nice, was just going to suggest going finer in order to try to get higher pressure. any reason you're doing 14g doses instead of 15-18g?

>>16018631
The thing i miss the most about drinking folgers/maxwell house is those containers especially the metal ones.
they're perfect for keeping loose nails/screw/whatever in a garage. or planting an herb in or something.

Sometimes i wanna buy folgers just to dump out the coffee and use the container.

>>16032730
qrd?

>>16032730
>company

Isn't it just two guys?

>>16033099
they run their business like shit with terrible business practices. screwed everyone over on april fools and the whole indiegogo storefront shit is driving their customers away faster than they’re being brought in

>>16033128
wouldn't be surprised, probably sucking and fucking each other instead of running the business properly

>>16020558
>>16020603
this is how you know these 2 are 40+ lmfao

>>16032475
My only thought is your going to have to think how the acid level affects ingredients and baking.

>>16032888
>Sometimes i wanna buy folgers just to dump out the coffee and use the container.
I think about this all the time, especially with Chock Full O'Nuts and their metal containers - perfect for dumping bacon/frying grease in, or using as a makeshift painting bucket, etc. but it's so wasteful to buy the can and just not use the coffee

>>16032888
Trips of truth. Couldn't tell you how many of those things my dad has in the garage and basement holding screws, nuts, batteries, who knows what